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Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
10:50 am
“Only in Georgia.”
You would prefer to be arresting for killing an animal out of season if you hit a deer?
Jm
November 23rd, 2012
11:02 am
Egypt’s prez has officially decreed he is above the law and that he cannot be challenged legally
Great
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
11:02 am
“Egypt’s prez has officially decreed he is above the law and that he cannot be challenged legally”
good grief … he sounds positively Italian.
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
11:05 am
“good grief … he sounds positively Italian”
“If the President does it…it’s not illegal” Richard Nixon
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
11:12 am
Nixon’s mom was a saint.
Brosephus™
November 23rd, 2012
11:14 am
USinner
indigo
November 23rd, 2012
11:15 am
Israel hopes this cease fire will last and that they can finally live in peace with their Arab neighbors and Iran.
Hammas announced this war was just a prelude to “the complete liberation of Jerusalem”.
And yet, many of you here still blame Israel for all the violence and deaths that keep occuring in this region.
No doubt, you’re the same bunch who are so desperate for a lighter shade of pale in the White House.
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
11:22 am
“No doubt, you’re the same bunch who are so desperate for a lighter shade of pale in the White House”
I think you’re a little mixed up between your left and your right
josef
November 23rd, 2012
11:24 am
Okay, class, it’s time for a history lesson.
Freedom of, and from, religion was first established in what became the United States of America, in 1665 with the promulgation of Locke’s Carolina Charter and its provision of “equal rights of citizenship for Jews, Heathens and Dissenters.” Carolina was an early success. Jews came in such numbers that by the first census one of each six counted was Jewish. The contribution of the Jews to that success was such that when Oglethorpe set up his colony in Georgia, he requested of the London Sephardic rabbis a list of Jews who would come to build the scientific, legal and commercial infrastructure for his thieves. Boats two and three to Savannah brought these immigrants. The first male of European descent to be born in Georgia was Philip Minis, born into a Spanish (Ladino) speaking Jewish family and who would, himself, go on to be a Revolutionary War hero. His Mama, Abigail, died at a ripe old age, the richest woman in North America and who, interestingly, left it all to her daughters, making the point that her sons could make their own way.
Also taking advantage of the Locke provision for religious liberty were the French Huguenots and their contributions to the development of Charleston and South Carolina was such that early on the city became a center of refined culture and hearty commerce. The Heathen element made its profound contribution as well, but that is another lesson for another time.
And Oglethorpes thieves?
“.. our lives are haunted by a Georgia slattern, because a London cutpurse went unhung.”
–Thomas Wolfe
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
11:27 am
“I think you’re a little mixed up between your left and your right”
wowsers. no kidding.
indigo
November 23rd, 2012
11:39 am
Doggone/GA – USinUK
I doubt many ingelligent liberals blame Israel for all the Mideast violence.
Dirt dumb prejudiced cons, who hate “jews and ni**ers” on the other hand, fill the bill nicely.
So, which group are you in?
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
11:42 am
“So, which group are you in?”
It wasn’t the reference to Israel that you got wrong.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
11:42 am
Indigo – I blame Israel for not abiding by their agreement to stop building in the settlement
I blame Israel for ghettoizing Palestinians as badly – if not worse – than they, themselves were ghettoized in Venice and Warsaw
they are reaping their own whirlwind.
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
11:44 am
“It wasn’t the reference to Israel that you got wrong.”
On second thought, I retract that and stand by my first reponse…you are REALLY confused between your left and your right.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
11:46 am
“you are REALLY confused between your left and your right.”
political dyslexia?
josef
November 23rd, 2012
11:46 am
Larry
It’s not ONLY Georgia…go pull up Cajun Justice, Season 1 episode 16… and scroll to the fracas over the road kill…
And by the way, I’ve eaten squirrel, ‘possum and ‘coon…began my Latin studies the morning after my first possum hunt, during which Granddaddy recited from memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Possum
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
11:48 am
“political dyslexia?”
As good an explanation as any!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 23rd, 2012
11:50 am
OH NOES! THE DJIA HAS MOVED ANOTHER 105 PTS. AND WE ARE FCREWN!
Wait, what’s that you say?
It’s gone up 105 pts?
Never mind.
josef
November 23rd, 2012
11:51 am
USinUK
“I blame Israel for ghettoizing Palestinians as badly – if not worse – than they, themselves were ghettoized in Venice and Warsaw”
Venice? Possibly if not worse.
Warsaw? That’s going way overboard and is patently absurd and uneducated…quit spouting the “party line” and consider what you’re saying. And when I say party line, this is the comment I hear over and over and over…that’s one whale of a difference between the ghettoization of the Venetian period and the Apartheid (which the Israeli policy most closely resembles) and the Warsaw ghetto…hyperbole is not your friend…
Indigo
With your religious bigotry on display today, if you want respect for your beliefs, then you must extend it to others for theirs…
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
11:51 am
“And by the way, I’ve eaten squirrel, ‘possum and ‘coon”
Well, I can’t match that…but I have eaten squirrel and road kill deer
Brosephus™
November 23rd, 2012
11:51 am
Okay, class, it’s time for a history lesson.
Now that we have learned something, it’s time to realize that we are human and it’s good to sometimes laugh at ourselves…
Hard to believe that someone driving around with a huge mast attached to their car for the purposes of collecting street view images would forget it’s there, but it does happen. Google street view car vs low underpass… No cameras were harmed while gathering that image. Click the arrows forward to see the results.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 23rd, 2012
11:53 am
Okay, class, it’s time for a history lesson.
I only learn from MAJOR historians.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
11:56 am
josef – I stick by Warsaw – they are prohibiting the Palestinians from going back to their family farms, prohibiting them from trading and making a living, prohibiting them from traveling freely
josef
November 23rd, 2012
11:59 am
K’CHAK
josef
November 23rd, 2012
12:01 pm
USinUK
They are not collecting them under starvation conditions for shipment to mechanized death centers…get real and get a grip…you’re just plain full of propaganda sh*t with that one…now, apartheid…yes, and then some…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
12:04 pm
josef – nope. they’re just bombing them in their beds. saves on transportation.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 23rd, 2012
12:05 pm
I can’t believe we forgot this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWge0KIhkoE
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm
http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2012/11/breaking-palestinian-music-school-bombed-to-rubble.html
indigo
November 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm
USinUK
Careful – your anti-semitism is showing.
Doggone/GA
Exactly HOW am I confused between right and left?
josef
Exactly HOW have I displayed religious bigotry?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm
Ruh, roh.
From the, “Don’t do as I do, do as I say do” department:
An attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) is facing some very serious charges. ADF is a “Christian” consortium of attorneys dedicated to “transforming the legal system and advocating for religious liberty, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family.” They do this mostly by filing lawsuits to undermine any progress the LGBT community makes in the pursuit of equality.
[...]
A Manchester lawyer took a teenage girl to Canada, had her engage in sexual activity and convinced her to let it be filmed, according to federal indictments.
FBI agents swiftly arrested Lisa Biron yesterday morning as she awaited a hearing on child pornography charges at Manchester’s district court.
[...]
A few hours later in U.S. District Court in Concord, Biron, who is associated with a national coalition of Christian lawyers, was formally told of the federal charges against her: transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, possession of child pornography and five counts of sexual exploitation of children.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 23rd, 2012
11:42 am
I blame the US…every administration continues to enable Israel resulting in the continued screwing of the Palestinians…until they stand on their own feet, nothing will change in our lifetime…I suspect most of us are getting sick and wore out by this 60 year old saga….
Brosephus™
November 23rd, 2012
12:25 pm
Kamchak
Uh oh..
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
12:27 pm
USinUK
The school in your link was located just outside Damascus. Was this
perpertrated by Israelis in Syria ?
TaxPayer
November 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm
Do Georgians get leftover turkey at no extra cost on General Lee’s observed birthday?
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm
“Exactly HOW am I confused between right and left?”
I charge $200 an hour for extra-curricular training. You can do it cheaper by being curious enough to investigate for yourself.
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm
Pecan pie for lunch. Yum.
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm
Leftovers are great.
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm
Oscar
leftovers are sloppy seconds…
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
12:42 pm
Do Georgians get leftover turkey at no extra cost on General Lee’s observed birthday?
_____
Never knew about that until I read it this morning. Obviously not a big deal to anyone anymore.
josef
November 23rd, 2012
12:44 pm
USinUK
You are beyond communication on this particular point and there is no point to be served in working myself into a dither with remedial education and perspective. You either know nothing of the conditions of the Warsaw ghetto or, as the Holocaust deniers would, ignoring the gruesome details of history. I am not out to offend you and, as you know, you are one of my favorite people on the blog, but in this instance you are simply a fool.
josef
November 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm
indigo aka Carlos…
At least once or twice in a series of postings on a regular basis…
josef
November 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm
indigo
The charge of anti Semitism is unfair on USinUK…she’s playing directly into the hands of the anti Semites, but unwittingly and ignorantly, not with malice aforethought. She’s buying a party line replete with its slogans without considering what it is she’s doing…
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm
USinUK
Reading back was the link to highlight the Palestinian refugee Problem?
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm
If the border between Egypt and Gaza can be opened to allow trade and result in improvement in the economy of Gaza then there may be some hope for peace in the future. Most pragmatic way I see to advance.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm
josef:
No matter what the opinion it can always be summed up in these two words:
“NEVER AGAIN” !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm
Oscar:
If today you granted total autonomy to Gaza and gave the entire West Bank back to Jordan including all of Jerusalem ……….. in about two weeks the emboldened Islamists would be trying to drive Israel into the sea.
Translation?
“NEVER AGAIN” !
josef
November 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm
“Gaza is no Warsaw Ghetto
Pointing out that the suffering endured by Gazans is not comparable in scope to the Holocaust or other well-known genocides, does not diminish it. However, it is crucial to provide accurate historical context to the current conflict, for two reasons.
Firstly, the use of highly charged historical comparisons that do not hold up to scrutiny unnecessarily weakens the Palestinian case against the occupation.
In a propaganda war in which Palestinians have always struggled to compete, handing Israel’s supporters the gift of inaccurate or exaggerated comparisons does not help this struggle, particularly not in Israel and the US, the two most important battlegrounds in this conflict.”
http://www.aljazeera.com/focus/crisisingaza/2009/02/20092191518941246.html
josef
November 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm
SCOUT
With all due respect, don’t overuse that Never Again…that is not what is at work in the events of the last few days and to use it there undermines its true meaning. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a specifically “Jewish thing.” One of the most poignant and signifcant uses was when survivor Elie Wiesel raised it as the cry in the Bosnian conflict…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 23rd, 2012
1:35 pm
drudgey rabbit holes.
“NEVER AGAIN” !
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm
Looks to me as if real progress is being made in the West Bank and the majority there have no desire for war with Israel.
The majority of people in Gaza I believe feel the same way. If they have hope for a life there where they can raise their families they will be satisfied.
Minority in West Bank, Gaza don’t agree. And some Jews in Israel believe the West Bank and Gaza are for Jews only. But these people are not the majority.
josef
November 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm
K’CHAK
The same thing i said to Scout holds true with that 1:35. With all due respect to you as well, doing that cheapens the meaning of the phrase.
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm
Lee was the best general the yankees had. Read his wartime letters.
YouLibs
November 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm
getalife
Don’t forget LSU plays today, Friday, at 2:30 our time.
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
1:47 pm
“doing that cheapens the meaning of the phrase”
Not neccessarily. Most people who use that phrase don’t stop to think that “never” is a long time and mostly out of their control. In the context it’s usually used, “never” is relative…not absolute.
indigo
November 23rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Doggone/GA – 12:37
josef – 12:45
That is NOT what I asked.
(but your non-answers are no surprise)
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Georgia – Don’t know what is in his letter, but Lee sure screwed up at Gettysburg. His whole strategy of invading the north was a bad plan from the beginning.
josef
November 23rd, 2012
1:53 pm
DOGGONE
Which is exactly why I say to quit throwing the term around willy nilly. It allows for the relativity of “never.” It is supposed to be an absolute. We can parse and argue or discuss it, but to do so diminishes and cheapens what it actually means and the lesson that all of humanity was supposed to have learned from the events which produced it as a cry of anguish…
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
1:53 pm
“(but your non-answers are no surprise)”
Here’s the fun part of the blogosphere: we’re not obligated to answer your inane questions just because you asked them
josef
November 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm
indigo
I answered. You may or may not like the answer. That’s your decision, but it was not a non-answer.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
josef
Two words, both of them english: “never” “again”.
Don’t recall that anyone has exclusive rights to those two words.
josef
November 23rd, 2012
1:58 pm
K’CHAK
Don’t be silly.
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm
I will NEVER be hungry AGAIN. -Scarlett O’Hara
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:07 pm
I will NEVER be hungry AGAIN. -Scarlett O’Hara
_____
Margaret should have sued for copyright infringment.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm
josef:
I must respectfully disagree.
Since God called Abraham and set apart a chosen people to redeem mankind through His Messiah, Satan has sought to destroy them. Satan has failed and Messiah will return one day to finally put an end to those attempts ……… eternally.
Until that day:
“I will plant Israel in their own land, ‘NEVER AGAIN’ (emphasis added) to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God.” Amos 9:15
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
2:10 pm
Black friday at old navy in tanger outlet: ten cash register lines and twenty five people in each one. All the restaurants full surrounding Tangers. madhouse. the economy is back
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm
“I will plant Israel in their own land, ‘NEVER AGAIN’ (emphasis added) to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God.” Amos 9:15
And yet…they were. Even to God “never” is relative, not absolute
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm
Remarks by the President at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
“We must tell our children. But more than that, we must teach them. Because remembrance without resolve is a hollow gesture. Awareness without action changes nothing. In this sense, “never again” is a challenge to us all — to pause and to look within.
“Never again” is a challenge to reject hatred in all of its forms — including anti-Semitism, which has no place in a civilized world.
“Never again” is a challenge to defend the fundamental right of free people and free nations to exist in peace and security — and that includes the State of Israel.
“Never again” is a challenge to societies. We’re joined today by communities who’ve made it your mission to prevent mass atrocities in our time.
And finally, “never again” is a challenge to nations. It’s a bitter truth — too often, the world has failed to prevent the killing of innocents on a massive scale. And we are haunted by the atrocities that we did not stop and the lives we did not save.”
Guess who ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:18 pm
Many Bible scholars believe Amos chapter 9 is a prophecy fulfilled in 1948.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:20 pm
Los Angeles Times: “`Never again’ — Israel means it”
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/10/opinion/oe-chafets10
indigo
November 23rd, 2012
2:22 pm
Doggone/GA – joseph
With some here, you can shoot from the hip and they won’t even know it.
I’m not one of them.
If I’m unable to answer a question, you’ll know it. Unlike you, I don’t engage in mental gymnastics.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:23 pm
“Never Again. What You Do Matters.”
20th Anniversary National Tour and Tribute to Holocaust Survivors and World War II Veterans:
http://neveragain.ushmm.org/
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:25 pm
Many people believe the moon landing was staged in Northern Arizona.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:26 pm
“NEVER AGAIN” Necklace Coin – National Holocaust Museum Shop
“Wear this metal coin necklace to honor the multitudes of Holocaust victims. But don’t stop there. When you put it on, rededicate yourself to remembering the lessons of the Holocaust. Each time you wear it, remind yourself to guard yourself against falling into patterns of intolerance or hate. Whenever someone comments about it, use that moment to talk about genocide. “Never Again” is a promise that demands more of us.”
http://web.ushmm.org/site/apps/ka/ec/product.asp?c=ftILI5PMKoG&b=2264499&en=dwKPK6MPIcKYIgPSKbJVLdN3InI1KnM3KoIZKjNaIAK&ProductID=812424
Fred ™
November 23rd, 2012
2:26 pm
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm
Lee was the best general the yankees had. Read his wartime letters.
++++++++++++++++
Yeah for the North. He lost the war through sheer stupidity at Gettysburgh and by invading the North to begin with.
He wasn’t a pimple on Longstreet’s butt when it came to tactics.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:27 pm
“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible”. Thomas Aquinas
Fred ™
November 23rd, 2012
2:27 pm
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:25 pm
Many people believe the moon landing was staged in Northern Arizona.
++++++++++++++++++
They are dumber than dog squeeze.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 23rd, 2012
2:27 pm
Bottom line:
“NEVER AGAIN” !
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
“If I’m unable to answer a question, you’ll know it. Unlike you, I don’t engage in mental gymnastics.”
Well, since I wasn’t the only one who noticed your poor reasoning skills…you might stop to consider that “mental gymnastics” and a nimble mind are preferable to “reasoning” that leads you to confirm your own prejudices.
RCB
November 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
Georgia–the lines are like that every Friday after Thanksgiving. The economy is a LONG way from being back. An article this week reported credit card use is up, after declining for a year or so. People just don’t seem to have a problem with enormous debt, as long as they have those “things” they want. When they try to retire, they complain about not being able to survive on SS alone. Duh.
Fred ™
November 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Georgia – Don’t know what is in his letter, but Lee sure screwed up at Gettysburg. His whole strategy of invading the north was a bad plan from the beginning.
++++++++++++++++++
LOL Oscar, I should have scrolled down. you beat me to the punch.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2012
2:29 pm
I see it’s just as hopping in here today as it around the rest of the city. So if you guys settle on a range of time that satisfies the word never maybe you can tackle this. Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
But I guess it would be rude not to weigh in. If I claim something will happen sometime in the future you can never prove me wrong.
…unless those pesky Mayans are right
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
2:29 pm
PBS featured Margaret Meade bio recently. She begged her publishers not to publish her novel. She wrote it backwards too. She came up with “Frankly, my dear, I’m going to build a dam.” before she came up with “I dont know nuthin bout birthin no babies.” What a writer. She was not no hack, like we gits now. She wrote it for herself, not expecting an audience. And she becomes writing diety for resisting her impulse to make Brett Butler a stinking vampire. Thank the lord on this thanksgiving holiday season.
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
2:33 pm
There should be a new reality show called American Idle allowing
unemployment recipients to give their stories and the one faring
worst should be given a job.
Fred ™
November 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm
Barking frog: Who’s gonna give them a job? The Republican “job creators?” Will that person have to move to China and work as a slave to accept the job for the “job creators” like everyone else that works for them?
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:36 pm
Time for Hogs and Tigers.
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
2:38 pm
Fred 2:35
Anyone who is hiring.
Fred ™
November 23rd, 2012
2:39 pm
Oscar: You can stream it on CBS. go to the link below and press watch live. The picture quality is excellent, well if you have a decent monitor.
http://www.cbssports.com
Fred ™
November 23rd, 2012
2:41 pm
barking frog: the “job creators” are not hiring, they are making record profits by keeping America unemployed.
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm
Fred
I think Simon Cruel could find a way, but then he is British.
My God is so big, so mighty.......
November 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm
Earthly life is short, eternity is forever!
Impressed with my earlier blog responses from the left!
All is not yet lost!
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:54 pm
Fred – Found it. Thanks. Reception on line is good, but tv screen is better and a lot bigger.
On line stream has about a four second delay.
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm
All is not yet lost!
_______
Are you thinking it will be some time in the future?
Oscar
November 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm
Fumble on the two. Now an interception. Looks like a long day for the home team. Just about all may be lost.
Brosephus™
November 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
That’s a damned good question…
barking frog
November 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm
Fred
Doggone/GA
November 23rd, 2012
3:01 pm
“Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?”
Why do 24/7 convenience stores have locks on the doors?
alex
November 23rd, 2012
3:02 pm
@Oscar:”Houston, ,the idiot has landed”……….
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
All is lost. We forgive ourselves our own sins. Sure, that’s gonna fly with the man upstairs. He makes the rules, not us. We cant forgive ourselves. Sorry, but to think that you can forgive your own sin is the worst form of paganism I ever hoid. (groucho marx)
Georgia
November 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm
Seinfeld once asked, “Why do sky divers wear helmets?” That was twenty years ago.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2012
3:20 pm
That was twenty years ago.
Polly,
I’m pretty sure the sky diver intends to live through the landing.