Time to end Norquist’s death grip on tax policy

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Mitt Romney lost big on election night and has continued to take a beating from his fellow Republicans ever since. The lack of affection toward Romney is no surprise, but the post-election response has also revealed an absence of basic respect for the man among conservatives. It is hard to recall a candidate so thoroughly and quickly repudiated by those who just a few days earlier were touting him for the most important job on the planet.

Karl Rove, who wasn’t even on the ballot, has also lost big in the days since the election, suffering a hit to his reputation from which he may never fully recover. However, the biggest off-ballot loser of the season may turn out to be Grover Norquist, the one-man keeper of the GOP’s no-tax-hike-ever-ever-ever-under-any-circumstances-whatsoever pledge.

I must say, it couldn’t happen to a nicer, more deserving guy.

As Dana Milbanks reports,
Norquist continues to put on a game front. Just this week, Norquist told a gathering at a Washington think tank that “he sees no chance of Republicans going squishy” and allowing tax hikes to pass as part of a budget compromise.

“The Rs are holding,” he announced at a luncheon Monday of the Center for the National Interest.

“The fantasy is that the Republicans would cave on marginal tax rates — they’re non-negotiable,” he added.

In fact, Norquist maintained, if you think there’s any erosion of support for his Pledge, which forbids any net increase in taxes, Norquist would like you to know something. “You’re mistaken,” he said. “The entire Republican leadership has been elected on that commitment in the House and the Senate.”

I think Norquist is wrong, and that he knows he’s wrong. Most of the signals coming out of Washington suggest that in the end, the final budget deal will include a higher marginal tax rate on the wealthiest of Americans. If that happens, if the Norquist pledge is broken en masse, as seems likely, his bizarre source of political power disappears as well.

That said, a lot of Americans have yet to be convinced of the GOP’s willingness and ability to compromise. According to a new Gallup poll, 65 percent of Americans believe that President Obama will make a sincere effort to reach bipartisan compromise. Only 48 percent say the same about congressional Republicans. Among independents, only 43 percent believe Republicans are sincerely willing to compromise.
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As the chart above demonstrates, those numbers are down significantly from four years ago, when 62 percent of Americans had faith that Republicans were interested in compromise. Somebody out there has been paying attention, which gives Obama and the Democrats considerably more leeway in the negotiations ahead.

– Jay Bookman

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JOE COOL........

November 20th, 2012
8:54 am

JOE COOL........

November 20th, 2012
8:55 am

Mitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas….. (looking like he’s high on Meth..lol)

http://qoou.net/images/2012/11/20/0Elx.jpg

Georgia on my mind...

November 20th, 2012
8:57 am

Whatever happened to “country first” ….BS last???

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
8:59 am

I think Norquist is wrong, and that he knows he’s wrong. Most of the signals coming out of Washington suggest that in the end, the final budget deal will include a higher marginal tax rate on the wealthiest of Americans. If that happens, if the Norquist pledge is broken en masse, as seems likely, his bizarre source of political power disappears as well.

Only time will tell..

Hopefully, we’ll have a Congress that’s there to work for the people instead of working for the special interest groups.

Lord Help Us

November 20th, 2012
9:01 am

I cannot think of an easier job than being a GOP Congressman…Good money, perks out that wazoo, and you do nothing…

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:02 am

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

Having a majority vote to confiscate the wealth of the top 10%, especially when the bottom 47% or so contribute nothing in the way of federal taxes, is selfish, greedy, and cowardly.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 20th, 2012
9:03 am

Grover, pledge this…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:03 am

JAY

Funny how Norquist can make this pledge without a vote on the matter. Also, it is easy to note that eliminating deductions is no different that increasing rates in terms of opportunity to raise revenue. Again, my concern is simply that the government will simply waste this money..spending will continue its trajectory and BO will have to go back to the well again in a matter of time…

The system is dysfunctional do all politicians want to guarantee is re-election…giving a bit on revenue increases is one thing, expecting DEMS to actually follow up on spending cuts has much less credibility…no way they make good on any proposed cuts…..

There is no disgrace in holding the GOV accountable for existing revenues…we all know that tax hikes will be immediate but the cuts will likely begin at some later date….say after the 2014 elections…

No incentive to do anything else..

Go Navy

November 20th, 2012
9:03 am

Where is USMC?

Lord Help Us

November 20th, 2012
9:03 am

Put BS down as against Democracy…geez…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 20th, 2012
9:03 am

The Wicked Witch of Taxes needs to melt away. Its time GOP actually consider putting country first.

[Okay, its was technically dissolving since it was water not heat]

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:03 am

Democrats are always willing to help the poor and do what’s best for America, as long as they can do it with someone else’s money.

TM

November 20th, 2012
9:04 am

Tax, Tax, Tax… When are we going to here what programs the Dems are going to agree to Cut, Cut Cut???

Patrick

November 20th, 2012
9:04 am

I think now is a great chance for the Republicans to get out from under the Norquist “death grip”. If they all decide en masse to ignore their pledges, then there is not much the Norquist group can do to punish them.

It is better to tell him to eff-off all at once and this is a great opportunity.

The other half of your brain.

November 20th, 2012
9:05 am

Lord Help Us

November 20th, 2012
9:01 am

I cannot think of an easier job than being a Democratic Congressman…Good money, perks out that wazoo, and you do nothing

There!, I fixed your typo, DUH!

indigo

November 20th, 2012
9:05 am

Why would Republican politicians, elected by their constituents, bow to the will of someone not from their state or district?

I guess a better question is why would Republican voters still support these politicians after such a gutless display?

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

“Its time GOP actually consider putting country first.”

Allowing our country to drift towards socialism is not putting country first.

St Simons

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

Oxycontin Rush, Karl Rove & Grover Norquist –

Cons, these are the great minds you should be listening to.
Do everything they say without thinking.
well, i didn’t even need to type that last sentence, did i…

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

How Bain-like vulture capitalists are more responsible for the Twinkies problems than the unions:

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/

JP

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

The only way I’d be for raising taxes is if Congress passes a law that every single penny of said taxes goes directly towards paying off the deficit. Otherwise, O will continue wasting our tax dollars on his failed policies, zero-benefit stimulus plan, Government crushing growth, and other insane Liberal ideas that is bankrupting our country. There I spoke the truth, and I feel so much better! How about you Libs getting in touch with reality?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

BRO

“Hopefully, we’ll have a Congress that’s there to work for the people instead of working for the special interest groups.”

What incentives exist to make this happen? Special interests have an advantage not unlike a pro team playing a high school team…they got the money…voters can’t compete.

Butt Monkeys as it were…I’m more skeptical than ever and think gov will continue to fail us with continued deficits, no follow thru on cuts, and idiotic commitment of resources to defense..

Aquagirl

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

Oh, catchy. We’ve only heard that 10 million times.

Mindless repetition may work on you. The rest of us….not so much.

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

Norquist lost all crediblility when he refused to back Ron Paul.
As did the entire Republican party and everyone else who professes a faith in minimum taxes, the free-market, and constitutional government.
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Taxes will go up for the working man……..and Bookman will sleep better at night.
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Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 20th, 2012
9:08 am

Well its easy to see that most of our conned posters are continuing like Grover to cling to their failures despite facts and evidence to the contrary. Thankfully we see that they are diminishing in import because of their ignorance.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:08 am

St Simons

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

Fair statement but who are you to judge someone with an addiction? What does that have to do with anything..cheap and mindless. If you think addiction results from lack of moral fiber, you have no clue…same as calling one a diabetic or the like..

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 20th, 2012
9:09 am

Ben, Ben, Ben,

I think you forgot that the country wants compromise, the country wants by a large margin to see the tax rates for the wealthy go back to where the were in the 1990’s. We’re only talking about a 4 point margin. It’s not like we’re going back to the era when Ike was in office and those rates were in the 90% range.

The country wants to move forward and everyone doing their fair share of carrying the load is all we ask.

St Simons

November 20th, 2012
9:09 am

Grover’s 15 min ends at midnight on Dec 31st

think about it

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:09 am

Having a majority vote to confiscate the wealth of the top 10%, especially when the bottom 47% or so contribute nothing in the way of federal taxes, is selfish, greedy, and cowardly

Believing that the only way people contribute is by way of federal taxes is ignorant. Attempting to frame the conversation to look one-sided is an exercise in willful ignorance as well. When all taxes are accounted for, most all income spectrums contribute between 25% to 30% of their earned income towards taxes. The Fed income tax is designed to be progressive to even out the disparity created by state, local, and payroll taxes.

You would think someone who earns a 6 figure income would know these basic things… :roll:

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 20th, 2012
9:10 am

Grover is special!

At least this one is…..

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:11 am

Funny how the self-professed “thinking people” (i.e. liberals) are the ones who turn all their thinking over to government because, well, you know, things like finding and landing a job that provides health insurance, or planning and investing for one’s own retirement, are just like, really too hard, you know????

TM

November 20th, 2012
9:12 am

“The country wants to move forward and everyone doing their fair share of carrying the load is all we ask.” So far all we have heard is how those families making over 250K will contribute, what about the others?

St Simons

November 20th, 2012
9:12 am

stevie, mrsstsimons agrees with you, point accepted

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:12 am

“The Fed income tax is designed to be progressive to even out the disparity created by state, local, and payroll taxes.”

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:13 am

What incentives exist to make this happen?

V-O-T-E-S!!! The jackassery continues because we re-elect at an average rate of 85%. Regardless to how much money a candidate gets/spends, none of it matters if he isn’t elected. When you have people who are brain-dead voters and vote based on party, we deserve the crap we get.

Mick

November 20th, 2012
9:13 am

What a poopy head grover is! Can’t believe that republicans have been kissing his ring for decades, wake up and smell the coffee – it’s good for ya…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:14 am

Finn de Siècle (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

November 20th, 2012
9:06 am

Labeling Bain a vulture capitalist or corporate raider shows ignorance of business concepts..

Check your definitions and facts..

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:14 am

” think you forgot that the country wants compromise, the country wants by a large margin to see the tax rates for the wealthy go back to where the were in the 1990’s. ”

There was a time in our history when the country wanted by a large margin to enslave blacks. Didn’t make it right,

Jefferson

November 20th, 2012
9:14 am

Time some of Romney’s supporter start paying their fair share instead of being parasites.

Jefferson

November 20th, 2012
9:15 am

Ben is way full.

Verbal Kint

November 20th, 2012
9:16 am

josef

November 20th, 2012
9:16 am

Well, the topic is economics (again) and I don’t know enough about that to be making any comments. However, Ben is here, so I’m sure it won’t be long before he’ll give me something to react to.

Now, the Republicans and their loss? Bless their hearts. But I admit, I am enjoying the spinning, hand-wringing and fainting spells. As somebody else said here, it’s good for comic relief.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 20th, 2012
9:16 am

Ben Shockley

I’m really glad you are here every day.

You remind us constantly of what we fought for, what we fought against and what our long term goals for the nation are.

Thanks, Ben, you make new liberals with every post.

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:17 am

“Time some of Romney’s supporter start paying their fair share instead of being parasites.”

Congratulations…funniest post of the day so far. Stupid, but funny.

Jay

November 20th, 2012
9:17 am

Wow. Ben equates a four-point increase in the top-end tax rate to slavery?

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but…. damn.

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:18 am

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:18 am

“You remind us constantly of what we fought for, what we fought against and what our long term goals for the nation are.”

Turning over control of your life to government is “fighting” in your world?

LMAO

Tom Middleton

November 20th, 2012
9:18 am

And may Mr. “poopy-pants” Norquist finally have to work for a living!

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:19 am

“Wow. Ben equates a four-point increase in the top-end tax rate to slavery?’

No, Ben equates it to a majority violating the rigts of a minority.

Libs really aren’t so good at fine shades of meaning.

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:19 am

Wow. Ben equates a four-point increase in the top-end tax rate to slavery?

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but…. damn.

Well, when you earn six figures, that’s what it feels like…

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:21 am

Bro,

I guess I overlooked the section of the Constitution that grants the federal government power to address (wrongly) perceived inequities in state and local tax law.

alex

November 20th, 2012
9:21 am

The graph gives NO one leeway, the president’s numbers are down by 15%, repubs down by 14%.This data has nothing to do with leeway unless you try to use this data to speculate on how people may vote in 2014. Bottom line people may not believe that the opposing parties will work together in nov. 2012.Look at the bottom of the graph trend is based on polls taken nov 2008, nov. 2010, what the heck does that mean in 2012, more garbage.

While this pole basically says nothing, it is important that the parties work together and that both give in aon taxes and entitlements. let’s hope they do so..STAT.

As for Romney: good man, bad candidate, can’t see how “piling on” is moving the discussion of the country forward…..

Welcome to the Occupation

November 20th, 2012
9:21 am

Most of the signals coming out of Washington suggest that in the end, the final budget deal will include a higher marginal tax rate on the wealthiest of Americans

That makes you an optimist, Jay.

A bit too optimistic in this case perhaps, if you ask me.

Mick

November 20th, 2012
9:22 am

verbal

Typical con trick, pick out the one bad apple and then label the whole bunch as such. Intelligent folks can smell that rat instantly…

Road Scholar

November 20th, 2012
9:22 am

“… but the post-election response has also revealed an absence of basic respect for the man among conservatives.”

For Romney, or for voters who voted against him? Listened to Bortz and Rush the other day complain that , because of their loss, that many repubs feel that they must change. Both rejected that premise, stating that their talk shows and what they say is spot on, the way the party should continue to go, and that everyone should just listen to them and do as they say.

Bortz, Rush and others are not responsible. They are responsible for their positions, but they are not responsible for anything else. There is no ramifications of what they say. They are not elected to any position. There is no follow through, legislation, opposing views honestly discussed. They have become even bigger windbags!

And you can put Norquist in that same boat.

About whether Repubs have respect for Romney, they don’t have any respect for any one who disagrees with their positions. Why should Romney be any different? Sure he was their candidate, but he has been kicked to the curb just like 47% of our population. Add to that those who voted Demo in the presidential election and those who challenge their views. It’s like watching a person paint the floor in a room backing themselves into a corner. And they refuse to realize what they are doing!

godless heathen - Support Small Business Saturday

November 20th, 2012
9:22 am

More taxes, more taxes! Can we puh-leeze get some more taxes!!

The pols got a lot of spending to do.

Jefferson

November 20th, 2012
9:22 am

Fair shair baby, get out you checkbook Ben (over)

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 20th, 2012
9:22 am

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:18 am
“You remind us constantly of what we fought for, what we fought against and what our long term goals for the nation are.”

Turning over control of your life to government is “fighting” in your world?

LMAO

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LMAO?

Impossible, you are to much of the A to be able to L it O.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:22 am

BRO

Did you forget…votes cost money…ergo the money comes first…

If both campaigns spent a combined $6 billion..that’ roughly $60 per vote…granted thats not a meaningful argument since most already made up mind…so if independents made up 40% of electorate, that’s about $150 per vote…

Votes are incentive to be certain, but money or lack thereof keeps many a congressional seat uncontested year after year..heck, obama got a predictable 97% of african american votes with a deplorable unemployment number..

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:23 am

Going to be huge fun over the next four years watching Obama and his lib sock puppets trying to explain why they still have trillion dollar deficits after raising taxes on the rich.

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:23 am

Ben

You tend to overlook many things that don’t agree with your perceived version of reality. That doesn’t surprise me at all.

KB

November 20th, 2012
9:24 am

On the IRS tax return, we should change the box that asks if we want to contribute to the Presidential Election Campaign to something like “Would you like to contribute directly to reduce the U.S. deficit?” and see what sacrifice people are willing to make.

stands for decibels

November 20th, 2012
9:24 am

47% or so contribute nothing

Somebody please drown Ben in the bathtub along with Grover.

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:25 am

Granny,

Fighting to be government-dependent and help yourself to other people’s money is pathetic, cowardly, and sad.

Seriously.

jewcowboy

November 20th, 2012
9:25 am

“No, Ben equates it to a majority violating the rigts of a minority.”

Considering the GOP wants to vote on my civil rights, that is certainly rich and not without a profound amount of hypocrisy.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:26 am

ST SIMMONS

Sorry to send an ugly tone in your direction…yours truly is recovering addict…

We do agree that Rush, Hannity and the like are worthless homies…Of course there are no shortages of those on both sides..

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:26 am

Did you forget…votes cost money…ergo the money comes first…

Not at all. That is the perception that people want you to have. If that were the case, Rep West would be going back to DC, right? Money may influence things, but voter education would eliminate most influence that money may have. If voters are trained to base their decisions on actions instead of glitzy ad campaigns, money wouldn’t matter.

When you buy into the idea that money trumps all, you’ve already been beaten by the system.

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:28 am

Stevie

obama got a predictable 97% of african american votes with a deplorable unemployment number..

Check your stats, Obama’s percentage of Black voters was lower this time than 2008… Leave the GOP talking points to the professionals who know how to deliver them.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:28 am

BEN

You are on your own with that approach…while it is clearly politically incorrect to mention those who pay no taxes, especially on this site, 47% is silly intial thrust..

Get Real

November 20th, 2012
9:29 am

Jay, I am already preparing for the chomp in my butt puntive tax hike in January. With that said, I do not believe the Republicans should yield unless there is a solid “real” reduction plan for spending.

As Obama has said 1 part revenue increase and 3 parts spending reduction. Again, I am talking about real reduction in spending not reducing the increase in spending. Anybody that can do basic math realizes the tax hike is symbolic to the base only and will have no real effect on the debt but I am willing to pay more if we see real reductions in spending. To that end, I will believe it when I see it..

Redcoat

November 20th, 2012
9:29 am

Socialism!….If it an’t socialist, it ain’t right!…..since Obama is in charge everything will be looking up soon……if it doesn’t, it’s those republicans fault…..works every time. Wonder what’s Jefferson’s definition of fair is?

mm

November 20th, 2012
9:29 am

It’s time to put Norquist out to pasture with his evil twin Rove.

Let’s just hope the cons will start worrying about doing their jobs instead of worrying about losing their jobs.

Mary Elizabeth

November 20th, 2012
9:29 am

It was primarily the Bush tax cuts which drove up the deficit to 10 trillion dollars. And, that was done, precisely, by the Republican Bush administration for the deliberate intent, according to Paul Krugman, to force the American hand of cutting severely the (”humane”) entitlements of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. (The remaining debt under Obama was in large part accrued to offset the Great Recession, which had begun under Bush II’s watch.)

And, we see that devious Republican intent being callously played out, presently, in Congress, and in those Red states, such as in Georgia, which are now refusing to offer their own insurance exchanges to accommodate Obamacare, even though millions of their citizens will not be able to have health insurance in their states (until the federal government intervenes) because of their callous political game of one upmanship. It is no surprise to me that the young voted for a more positive, more humane capitalism of the future.

It is past time for Grover Norquist and many Republicans to lose much of their financial credibility, as well as their overall credibility based on the callous game they have played on the American people for greed.

Mick

November 20th, 2012
9:30 am

**trying to explain why they still have trillion dollar deficits after raising taxes on the rich.**

As if romney/ryan would have reduced the debt with more tax cuts for the rich? We’ve seen that movie repeat and it always ends the same way, rich get richer and the debt increases – no thanks…

willie lynch

November 20th, 2012
9:31 am

I found it interesting to hear Paul Ryan say that we should not allow an unelected board of people to oversee medical decisions. Yet he sees no problems with our elected officials signing a pledge making them beholden to an unelected, non appointed person on the issue of our tax policy. To me that said a lot.

The Republicans have drank their own Kool-Aid. They claim to have such smart, young up and coming members but their most visible member is not nearly as bright a star as he or they believe he is.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 20th, 2012
9:31 am

Ben Shockley

Seriously, You are a liberals best friend.

Every time Ben Shockley sings
another liberal gets their wings.

You really do more good for our side than for yours.

Keep up the good work!

godless heathen - Support Small Business Saturday

November 20th, 2012
9:31 am

according to Paul Krugman

And I quit reading right there.

Michael

November 20th, 2012
9:32 am

I found it humourous that Grover was talking about diversity after Romney lost the election. That is like the Pope telling people how to use contraceptives correctly.

jewcowboy

November 20th, 2012
9:32 am

“If both campaigns spent a combined $6 billion..that’ roughly $60 per vote”

But they didn’t. $6B was the total spent in both the Presidential and Congressional races by all involved…

For some…facts do matter.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 20th, 2012
9:33 am

Americans have yet to be convinced of the GOP’s willingness and ability to compromise. According to a new Gallup poll, 65 percent of Americans believe that President Obama will make a sincere effort to reach bipartisan compromise

This is also the wrong point. The problem with Obama – as usual – is his ALL TOO great willingness to compromise about things where there should be no compromise.

Jeffrey

November 20th, 2012
9:33 am

Grover norquist needs to go. If he couldn’t see that maybe we should’ve raised taxes when we were fighting two wars he is an idiot. Why does everyone forget the second part of keynesian economics? It’s not prime, prime, prime during good times taxes are supposed to go up and regulations are supposed to tighten. Am I the only one that paid attention in jr year economics?

STUPID LIBERAL

November 20th, 2012
9:33 am

I can not afford any more taxes.

Redcoat

November 20th, 2012
9:33 am

mm………please explain what the republican’s job is…….as compared to what the democrat’s job is……..?

Get Real

November 20th, 2012
9:33 am

Mary Elizabeth

Wow, I can’t believe you really believe what you just posted and quoting Paul Krugman to boot…OMG…..again Wow

josef

November 20th, 2012
9:34 am

jewcowboy
@ 9:25

Yep.

DannyX

November 20th, 2012
9:34 am

Hey Redcoat and Ben, your side should try winning an election!

Losers.

Mick

November 20th, 2012
9:35 am

heathen

Krugman is an excellent economist who happens to be liberal. Republicans just can’t stand a good dose of economic reality versus their failing ideology…

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:36 am

“You are on your own with that approach…while it is clearly politically incorrect to mention those who pay no taxes, especially on this site, 47% is silly intial thrust..”

I clearly stated “federal taxes” in my initial post. I should have clarified “federal income taxes” to exclude SSI.

USMC

November 20th, 2012
9:37 am

“Where is USMC?”–Squid (term of affection)

I am still locked here in the WOODSHED!

Will someone please flip that latch on the outside and let me out??? :-)
(Jay’s Hubris sure is shining through since election…. watch the over reach… it’ll slap you sober.)

Go DAWGS!

Brosephus™

November 20th, 2012
9:37 am

while it is clearly politically incorrect to mention those who pay no taxes, especially on this site

Stevie

It’s not that anybody claims that is politically incorrect, it is factually incorrect to claim that 47% pays no taxes. The 47% that pays no fed income taxes have plenty other taxes that more than make up their lack of contributing to fed income tax amounts. Basically, that whine means that you, and everybody else who bleats that crap, wants to tax grandma’s retirement, granddaddy’s pension, enlisted military personnel, and the working poor who don’t earn enough income to have a fed income tax liability.

So, if you’re going to go on record as clamoring for a tax increase on the working poor, then just come out and cheer for one instead of campaigning on incomplete and misleading information about tax collection.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 20th, 2012
9:38 am

BRO

And your point is? Sorry, Obama got 96% of voting african americans and voter turnout remained rather consistent at 13% of electorate..is your point relative to political correctness as opposed to the numbers? To boot, even the BO campaign referred to this block of voters as “inexpensive” in terms of advertising and other targeted efforts…

This is not a GOP talking point…its true..what’s your problem?

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:38 am

“Considering the GOP wants to vote on my civil rights, that is certainly rich and not without a profound amount of hypocrisy.”

Not all conservatives care about gay marriage. I don’t. Nor abortion.

USMC

November 20th, 2012
9:38 am

“Krugman is an excellent economist who happens to be liberal.”–Mick

Krugman is DELUSIONAL. :-)

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:40 am

“Basically, that whine means that you, and everybody else who bleats that crap, wants to tax grandma’s retirement, granddaddy’s pension, enlisted military personnel, and the working poor who don’t earn enough income to have a fed income tax liability.”

I’m to believe that fully 47% of workign Americans fall into those buckets?

Liberals are so funny.

Mary Elizabeth

November 20th, 2012
9:40 am

Get Real, 9:33 pm

I post what I post because it is precisely – here – in the Red state of Georgia that many need to hear my message – and Krugman’s.

And, I offer an “Amen” to Mick’s 9:35 am post. Please make sure you read it, Get Real.

Mick

November 20th, 2012
9:40 am

usmc

Why gomer you’ve always had the ability to leave, just click your military issues three times and repeat; there’s no place like home… welcome back to the new socialist utopia…

DannyX

November 20th, 2012
9:41 am

“I clearly stated “federal taxes” in my initial post. I should have clarified “federal income taxes” to exclude SSI.”

I take it you don’t buy into that whole Ronald Reagan myth. Reagan the “socialist” called the Earned Income Credit “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress” during the signing ceremony greatly expanded the EITC.

Tear down that myth!

Get Real

November 20th, 2012
9:41 am

Mick

You keep thinking that about Krugman, he is way..way..out there, he believes in spending until there is no more money and then double down and spend some more. You cannot spend what you do not have, it is really not that difficult a concept.. but then again, reading at lot of these posts, perhaps it is..

Marc

November 20th, 2012
9:41 am

Since the answer seems to be tax the rich how much should they be taxed? The amount Obama wants isn’t going to put a dent in the deficit. Repealing the death tax is going to hurt family farms and many family run business. Just how much blood do you want? How much do you want to take from them so you can be like them?

stands for decibels

November 20th, 2012
9:42 am

I quit reading right there.

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quoting Paul Krugman to boot…OMG…

For those of you who routinely get agitated over seeing Krugthulu cited here–can you name for me a household-name economist who is *more* widely read than he?

I can see disagreeing with the guy, but to dismiss him as if he simply has no cred, especially these days, is disingenuous, I think.

Ben Shockley

November 20th, 2012
9:42 am

“Hey Redcoat and Ben, your side should try winning an election!”

Hey DannyX, your side should try making it through life without mooching off of others.