Time to end Norquist’s death grip on tax policy
Mitt Romney lost big on election night and has continued to take a beating from his fellow Republicans ever since. The lack of affection toward Romney is no surprise, but the post-election response has also revealed an absence of basic respect for the man among conservatives. It is hard to recall a candidate so thoroughly and quickly repudiated by those who just a few days earlier were touting him for the most important job on the planet.
Karl Rove, who wasn’t even on the ballot, has also lost big in the days since the election, suffering a hit to his reputation from which he may never fully recover. However, the biggest off-ballot loser of the season may turn out to be Grover Norquist, the one-man keeper of the GOP’s no-tax-hike-ever-ever-ever-under-any-circumstances-whatsoever pledge.
I must say, it couldn’t happen to a nicer, more deserving guy.
As Dana Milbanks reports, Norquist continues to put on a game front. Just this week, Norquist told a gathering at a Washington think tank that “he sees no chance of Republicans going squishy” and allowing tax hikes to pass as part of a budget compromise.
“The Rs are holding,” he announced at a luncheon Monday of the Center for the National Interest.
“The fantasy is that the Republicans would cave on marginal tax rates — they’re non-negotiable,” he added.
In fact, Norquist maintained, if you think there’s any erosion of support for his Pledge, which forbids any net increase in taxes, Norquist would like you to know something. “You’re mistaken,” he said. “The entire Republican leadership has been elected on that commitment in the House and the Senate.”
I think Norquist is wrong, and that he knows he’s wrong. Most of the signals coming out of Washington suggest that in the end, the final budget deal will include a higher marginal tax rate on the wealthiest of Americans. If that happens, if the Norquist pledge is broken en masse, as seems likely, his bizarre source of political power disappears as well.
That said, a lot of Americans have yet to be convinced of the GOP’s willingness and ability to compromise. According to a new Gallup poll, 65 percent of Americans believe that President Obama will make a sincere effort to reach bipartisan compromise. Only 48 percent say the same about congressional Republicans. Among independents, only 43 percent believe Republicans are sincerely willing to compromise.
As the chart above demonstrates, those numbers are down significantly from four years ago, when 62 percent of Americans had faith that Republicans were interested in compromise. Somebody out there has been paying attention, which gives Obama and the Democrats considerably more leeway in the negotiations ahead.
– Jay Bookman
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Redcoat
November 20th, 2012
10:53 am
Paul …..my perception of reading these comments on this blog leave me to conclude that most here would want or favor a socialist government and or a bigger spending government. I’m I wrong? and that conservatism is causing or have caused all our current financial and social problems. I’m I wrong?
williebkind
November 20th, 2012
10:54 am
“Hopefully, we’ll have a Congress that’s there to work for the people instead of working for the special interest groups”
You are talking about the progressive liberals arent you? Special interest is their cup of tea and the “people” are only those who believe the liberal agenda or they get attacked like the black conservatives.
RF
November 20th, 2012
10:56 am
“Sure. Barney Frank comes to mind”
Really? Prove that one. Face it, the list is LONG on Republicans, and there are quite a few more. Come one, admit it, your guys are a lot more, shall we say, ACTIVE in the pervert zone…
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
10:56 am
You are talking about the progressive liberals arent you? Special interest is their cup of tea and the “people” are only those who believe the liberal agenda or they get attacked like the black conservatives.
No. Read what I wrote instead of listening to what the voices in your head say that I wrote. Where did I say anything about either political ideology???
DannyX
November 20th, 2012
10:56 am
“they get attacked like the black conservatives.”
And run out of Congress…RIP Congressman West!
middle of the road
November 20th, 2012
10:57 am
“1) Public Schools
2) The Military
3) Police and Firefighters
4) The Highway System
5) The Federal Park System
6) Drinking water, street lights and other infrastructure
7) The US Postal Service
None of those are examples of socialism.”
How would you know, Ben? It depends upon your definition of “socialism”. Technically, socialism is an economic system where the government controls all means of production – something we are not anywhere near. Most people, though, use the term “socialism” to refer to government supplying things for people rather than relying on the people or free enterprise to supply them. By that definition, all those things listed above would qualify as “socialism”.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
10:57 am
RF…”your perverts out number our perverts” is a silly if not losing argument for moral high ground
Mary Elizabeth
November 20th, 2012
10:57 am
Alex, 10:52
Be sure you read my post to you on the last thread at 8:32 am, so that you will understand why I no longer give your thoughts credibility.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 20th, 2012
10:58 am
Ben
I’ll do it again
a 13% tax rate for 10 years (unproven), tax deductions for a dancing horse and off shore accounts.
Gifts….Gifts….Gifts…
Just cause you don’t agree that they are gifts don’t mean they aren’t
my little dumpling!
Darwin
November 20th, 2012
10:58 am
What we learned is that the lack of turnout in the 2010 off year election cycle radicalized the politicial discussion to the extreme right. Tea Party groups felt enpowered and tried to control the agenda. 2012 proved that when everyone gets out to vote, the extreme right wing is not in charge. That is a lesson Republicans will be hard fought to accept. But that is reality. No everyone wants to “take back America.” Not everyone want to go back to our founding fathers’ days when white men ruled and owned slaves. The no new tax pledge and other demagoguery from the Tea Party groups and Norquist needs to be buried. It’s time to move forward and deal with the challenges this country faces.
DannyX
November 20th, 2012
10:59 am
“RF…”your perverts out number our perverts” is a silly if not losing argument for moral high ground”
Not when Republicans sell themselves as the party of family values.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
10:59 am
tax deductions for a dancing horse
didn’t that turn out to be just a few dollars…and not $75k
RF
November 20th, 2012
10:59 am
Barney Frank….1989 was it? As I recall it:
“Frank requested an investigation by the House Ethics Committee. The 10-month probe found that Frank did not, in fact, know about the happenings in his home but that he should be reprimanded for use of House privilege in waiving 33 of Gobie’s parking tickets and for writing a memo that attempted to end Gobie’s probation for a prior infraction. Despite attempts by former Idaho Congressman Larry Craig (the stall-inator) to have the Massachusetts Congressman removed, Frank went on to win several re-elections by wide margins.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1721111_1721210_1883878,00.html #ixzz2CmMYkrTz
How ironic that his main accuser was Larry Craig. Perhaps he was just jealous that he couldn’t come out and be open?
williebkind
November 20th, 2012
11:01 am
“It’s time to move forward and deal with the challenges this country faces.”
Now that is a huge chuckle.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Not when Republicans sell themselves as the party of family values.
or are you saying it’s okay for Dems because they never claimed they weren’t perverted?…really?
willie lynch
November 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Anne Romney says “We have given YOU PEOPLE all you need to see”, concerning their taxes. Then her husband say’s how he feels about half the U.S. population while speaking at a $50,000.00 a plate dinner and there are still people on this blog defending these people.
Stockholm syndrome?
RB from Gwinnett
November 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Just can’t wait to get your greedy little mitts on more of those rich people’s money can you libs?
If you aren’t willing to give up some of your free stuff and aren’t willing to ever actually give your ” few thousand” more, you’re going to continue running out of other people’s money.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:02 am
They called President Clinton a socialist too because of Hillary care.
Now they respect him and want him to try for Middle East peace.
The same will happen for President Obama.
RF
November 20th, 2012
11:02 am
Erwin: outnumber….outnumber?? How about putting some exponents on that one? The problem is, your guys get caught after pushing legislation on marriage and abortion and gay rights that completely contradicts their personal lives behind the scenes. It’s the hypocrisy of their public statements and private dalliances that make them all the more ridiculous.
Janney
November 20th, 2012
11:02 am
Mary Elizabeth, at 9:20: Great post! Paul Krugman has been the most correct prognosticator of the pundits.
JOE COOL........
November 20th, 2012
11:02 am
Ben Shockley
November 20th, 2012
10:48 am
“The Romney’spay millions in taxes every year, donate millions to charity, and have never received government handouts.”
ummmmmmmm
As Bain made its investment, the state and county pledged $37 million in subsidies and grants for the $385-million plant project. The county also levied a new income tax to finance infrastructure improvements to benefit the steel mill over the heated objections of some county residents.
Corporate welfare at its finest.
independent thinker
November 20th, 2012
11:03 am
JOE COOL- Mitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas….. (looking like he’s high on Meth..lol)
http://qoou.net/images/2012/11/20/0Elx.jpg“”"”"”"”"”
Great picture- He looks like Queen Anne has him sleeping on the couch.
USMC
November 20th, 2012
11:03 am
“1) Public Schools
2) The Military
3) Police and Firefighters
4) The Highway System
5) The Federal Park System
6) Drinking water, street lights and other infrastructure
7) The US Postal Service
I am not surprised to red such an unintelligent and ignorant statement by a blogger on JAY BOOKMAN’s blog, even-though, I know JAMVET to be neither.(even-though he roots for Nebraska)
Socialism is an ECONOMIC system… it’s not the military or the post office, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Janney
November 20th, 2012
11:03 am
9:29 not 9:20
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:03 am
Now they respect him and want him to try for Middle East peace
I thought that was his wife’s job?
fair and balanced
November 20th, 2012
11:05 am
when “poopy head ” Norquist and Limbaugh and Rinse a Prebus no longer control the GOP circus, true reform may be possible and they will not get a beat down next time.
JOE COOL........
November 20th, 2012
11:05 am
independent thinker
November 20th, 2012
11:03 am
Its hard out here for the $250 million man..lol
TaxPayer
November 20th, 2012
11:05 am
At least Romney’s run for president helped to highlight more of the tax cheater’s scams. It’s time for the wealthiest to pay their dues for the privilege of living here in these United States.
F. Sinkwich
November 20th, 2012
11:08 am
And what is Jay and his fraternity of feckless freeloaders blogging about today? Raising taxes! Never saw that one coming.
It’s common knowledge that every dime raised in taxes will be immediately spent on freebies for the moocher classes (aka lib ilks) on such things as Obamaphones, band aids, rubbers and such.
Many here of course will dispute that, offering that we need a “balanced” approach towards deficit reduction which will include tax increases (only on undeserving ingrates called the rich) but also spending reductions. How reasonable!
The only problem is that never in the history of the universe have lib ilks actually reduced federal spending. Nothing has changed to cause anyone to think otherwise this time.
Tax increases must be off the table until the Dems can prove that spending can be reduced substantially over a period of time, say ten years.
RF
November 20th, 2012
11:08 am
getalife: ironic, isn’t it, that former Democrat Presidents end up being more respected around the world after their terms, even Clinton after his impeachment? I suspect the same will indeed be true for Obama.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:08 am
“I thought that was his wife’s job?”
First she will try then a special envoy will try.
Politics is just not one proposal silly.
Krugman is credible, rw economists and media are not.
You should have learned this by now cat.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:09 am
RF – out numbered?…never said that and don’t have a side?
So you are saying that the Dems can be perverted because they never pretended not to be?? Is that your argument? Now you’re suggesting that there is no hypocrisy on the left?? really?
RF
November 20th, 2012
11:09 am
Sinkwich: as I recall, Obama has offered, numerous times, spending cuts of at least 2.5 to 1 over revenue increases. How much more does he have to put on the table?
DannyX
November 20th, 2012
11:10 am
“or are you saying it’s okay for Dems because they never claimed they weren’t perverted?…really?”
I didn’t say that at all. You are trying to shove your perverted words down my throat. Disgusting.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:10 am
” I suspect the same will indeed be true for Obama.”
President Clinton’s foundation has been helping the world since he left.
I think President Obama will continue to serve like Clinton and not hide in a bunker like w and cheney.
Get Real
November 20th, 2012
11:10 am
It’s time for the wealthiest to pay their dues for the privilege of living here in these United States
It’s offical, the inmates are now running the asylum
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:11 am
You are trying to shove your perverted words down my throat. Disgusting.
Kam has an expression for that kind of tripe
USMC
November 20th, 2012
11:11 am
“At least Romney’s run for president helped to highlight more of the tax cheater’s scams. It’s time for the wealthiest to pay their dues for the privilege of living here in these United States.”–TAXPAYER
Whether you like MITTENS or not, he pays his taxes according to the TAX CODE… How does that make him a TAX CHEAT or SCAM??? And he pays a more in taxes than 99% of Americans.
That’s what I thought.
Paul
November 20th, 2012
11:12 am
Ben Shockley
“2) The Military
None of those are examples of socialism.”
Care to tell us how military health care is not an example of socialism?
You do know all about military health care, don’t you?
Get Real
November 20th, 2012
11:12 am
Obama has offered, numerous times, spending cuts of at least 2.5 to 1 over revenue increases
Depends on how you define “spending cuts”…
Redcoat
November 20th, 2012
11:13 am
Is socialism frowned upon by any Dem/Lib on this blog? Does anyone think it’s a system our country should go to? The theory sounds great but in practice what is the outcome? Has a socialist country been more successful than our form of government? It seems to me the more our country slips toward socialism, the less successful our country is becoming? Am I wrong?
USMC
November 20th, 2012
11:13 am
Getalife,
I want to thank you and your Bayou Tigers for SOFTENING up BAMA for the SECCG!
Geaux Dawgs!
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:13 am
get – First she will try and fail then a special envoy will try.
fixed your typo…do you expect her to fail?
Thogwummpy
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
Here’s the thing….the Obamatards like Bookman want you to believe that America’s fiscal problems have nothing to do with vast millions living a free lifestyle off the taxpayers—-they want you to think it’s because successful people owe back taxes for not having paid some nebulous non-specific mystery “fair share” nonsense. Got news, the numbers don’t work. We didn’t get $16 trillion in debt because the rich aren’t kicking in. KEEP IN MIND….guys like Jay, and Obama himself are fundamentally dishonest when it comes to economics. For example, when Clinton left office (go look at the U.S. Treasury Dept. stats for yourself) the government was $5.7 trillion in debt—–and yet they’ve been lying to you by saying over and over that Clinton left a surplus. He didn’t leave one, it’s a lie they’ve used to imply that Bush blew the money that Clinton stocked up (notice that liberals never tell you what amount was in that magical “surplus”? They don’t tell you because it didn’t exist.) Moreover, they claim tax cuts demolished that surplus, implying low revenue after the Bush tax cuts went into effect. However, again…go to the Treasury’s own data and you’ll see that the Bush tax cuts produced record high revenue (because a larger tax base expansion occurs when the economy grows). NEVER EVER…EVER trust any Leftist on economic or tax matters; because they don’t understand the concepts, the mathematics…and are willing to look you in the eye and lie their pants off.
alex
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
We’re down to who’s the less perverted party.. RF, agree and the hypocrisy on both sides is nauseating, especially those who push the family values…
Mary,teacher, purveyour of thoughtless dribble, you don’t have a novel thought, 35 years of teaching middle schoolers and that is what you are. Harsh words, but it is what it is. Stay ignorant and you will continue to marginalize yourself, Goodness…You are welcome, Good morning Class..Sheesh
Finally, so Granny you are preparing dumplings, when do we come over, I LOVE dumplings….
Paul
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
Redcoat
“Paul……Do you think Ben is the only one that fits your description and observances?”
No. But based upon volume, he is the most prominent whenever he shows up. Which fits the profile.
No matter which moniker he uses.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
The wealthy can pay more and it will not hurt them but keep slobbering all over them cons.
We will focus on the middle class and keep winning for them and not the wealthy.
josef
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
BROSEPHUS
Sexual peccadillos and the high ups? Should I or shouldn’t I… It could get us a new thread, though…
RF
November 20th, 2012
11:15 am
“So you are saying that the Dems can be perverted because they never pretended not to be?? Is that your argument?”
NOPE. They’ve done their share of it, DUH. But at least they aren’t masquerading as morally perfect about their lives. Barney Frank never hid his sexuality and even asked for an investigation during his “scandal”…which cleared him of anything worse than fixing parking tickets for his then lover.
All I’m saying is, and read this carefully, you have quite a few more examples of it on the Republican side from guys who have put up quite the elaborate image of the perfect American lifestyle while their private actions indicate something else. They want to legislate morality while they sneak around in the shadows doing all sorts of things. It’s the hypocrisy that gets me. I don’t give a hoot who’s doing what off the clock- but don’t pretend to be oh-so-perfect and above it all either.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:15 am
cat,
Looks like Israel is ending their attacks .
Egypt did that.
alex
November 20th, 2012
11:17 am
@getalife, please define middle class, I’m interested….seems like a term we through around with little knowledge of the definition…Thanks..Also how do you define wealthy…
Oscar
November 20th, 2012
11:18 am
Socialism means ownership by government of industry and business. That term has been so misused in the last fifty years.
To some on the right, socialism means any kind of government assistance to anyone, or any kind of government regulation of business.
The right include social security, FEMA, farm programs and food stamps as socialism.
No wonder that young people do not object to socialism. They are thinking of socialism as defined by the right.
USMC
November 20th, 2012
11:18 am
Redcoat @:
You are CORRECT sir. I ,however, would like to congratulate the usual suspects and Jay Bookman who are now at least being HONEST and admitting that they advocate for SOCIALISM…
And in the words of Jeff Foxworthy:
“If you advocate for SOCIALISM… You are most certainly a SOCIALIST!”
(or something like that)
BOO! Socialist!
barking frog
November 20th, 2012
11:19 am
josef
Do the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS have sexual peccadillos ?
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:19 am
“I want to thank you and your Bayou Tigers for SOFTENING up BAMA for the SECCG!
Geaux Dawgs!”
We showed you and the Aggies how to beat them but you have to play your best game of the year.
Les went off on a reporter when he called our team a bust. I thought he was going to attack the reporter and never seen him talk like that.
DannyX
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
“BOO! Socialist!”
You should protest by giving up your socialist healthcare. BOO!
GT
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
Josef no cable, weak grainy pictures, weak radio signals all over the south, the rural hated the city and in those days the city was white so it is not just a race thing, the country boys have always hated education. And the city guys thought the country boys were greasy thugs with single digit IQs.
Redcoat
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
Paul….when you volunteer into the military you know what you are getting…..when your service is done, you then are on your own to care for yourself. Except now Obamacare is now taking over and is the law, your choices will start being decided by our government. You want that I guess?
St Simons
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
People like this Norquist guy are why Obama needs to shut the WH
doors (after the Beyonce/Snoop Dog concert heheh) and lock it down
until Jan 2nd.
Come out on Jan 2nd, and say, ” I will not sign ANY tax package
that doesn’t have increased rates on high income AND cap gains.
Walk back in the WH and shut the door. And dont come back out.
Don’t even peek out the window.
Trust your accountant on this one.
TaxPayer
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
Romney is the epitome of tax cheaters.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
you have quite a few more examples of it on the Republican side…
really what’s the ratio?
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
alex,
The middle class do not need a definition.
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
11:21 am
“It’s common knowledge that every dime raised in taxes…”
It’s common knowledge that I will quarterback the 49ers to victory in the Super Bowl next year…
RF
November 20th, 2012
11:21 am
“Do the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS have sexual peccadillos ?”
Depends on how much of the moonshine they’re passing around at the meetings…
USMC
November 20th, 2012
11:21 am
“The wealthy can pay more and it will not hurt them but keep slobbering all over them cons.”–Getalife
… AND it won’t fix our problems either… not in the least.
All tax hikes do is satisfy the SOCIALISTS/WEALTH ENVY
DannyX
November 20th, 2012
11:21 am
“when your service is done, you then are on your own to care for yourself.”
Is that correct, USMC?
kimmer
November 20th, 2012
11:22 am
“Mitt Romney lost big on election night”
Really? Obama won the popular vote by less than 1%. That’s not what I would term losing big on election night. Plus, these congressmen who were elected by their districts have just as much a mandate from their constituency as the president.
Ever-Ever-Ever?
November 20th, 2012
11:23 am
Grover…….God’s love has no expiration date!
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:24 am
“… AND it won’t fix our problems either… not in the least.”
It is a start not a solution silly.
Do you want to start to address the deficit or not?
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
11:24 am
“Depends on how much of the moonshine they’re passing around at the meetings…”
Them’s some good lookin’ veterans…
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:25 am
mitt lost worse than mccain and it gets worse the next cycle but stay the course cons.
You will never learn anything.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:25 am
Depends on how much of the moonshine they’re passing around at the meetings…
Did anyone else see the story this AM on FoxAtlanta that they are distilling moonshine at the Dawsonville court house as a tourist attraction..soon to have tastings and hooch for sale
Paul
November 20th, 2012
11:25 am
Redcoat
“my perception of reading these comments on this blog leave me to conclude that most here would want or favor a socialist government and or a bigger spending government. I’m I wrong? and that conservatism is causing or have caused all our current financial and social problems. I’m I wrong?”
I think blogs attract people who, if they don’t hold views at the margins, tend to express themselves as such on blogs.
My perception is that it is much more likely here for conservatives to tell liberals what liberals think or do and then proceed as if that is the truth. It’s the same pattern I heard on Limbaugh when I listened to him yesterday, so I suppose it’s understandable.
As far as the socialism thing, the previous thread on the future of capitalism is a good read – Jay’s comments. As he points out, definitions are elastic and vary with the person. But as you’ve seen here, some conservatives write as if there’s one definition, even though they won’t define it.
I think many liberals here will make the point that conservative governments, implementing decidedly unconservative principles (cutting taxes and going into debt to fund wars and social programs), not regulating powerful business interests, not looking out for public lands, have had a negative impact. I think they’d also make the point that ‘bigger government’ is one of those terms like ’socialism’ that’s hard to define. If ‘bigger’ means more military spending, upwards of 20 percent, as Republicans advocated in the last election, then the answer is likely ‘no.’ If it’s pay for more people performing oversight of consumer protection and financial regulation institutions and not going into debt for it, then the answer is likely ‘yes.’
Get Real
November 20th, 2012
11:26 am
The middle class do not need a definition.
Nice non-answer
Look before I leap...
November 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Looking at the numbers for Romeny, his problem isn’t that he only paid 14% in taxes.
He seems to have short-changed the church to the tune of about half a million.
The Mormon church is a stickler for that 10% thing.
Now that Mitt has lost his Secret Service bubble, I expect the elders are knocking at Romney’s door right about now…”Fork it over Willard!”
middle of the road
November 20th, 2012
11:26 am
“Socialism is an ECONOMIC system… it’s not the military or the post office, etc. ”
Actually, by your wikipedia definition, the post office is socialism – where the government controls the means of production – even though it is supposed to be “self-sustaining”, Congress has to approve any changes to the management. You are correct about it being an ECONOMIC System and not a political system.
F. Sinkwich
November 20th, 2012
11:26 am
“Sinkwich: as I recall, Obama has offered, numerous times, spending cuts of at least 2.5 to 1 over revenue increases.”
Nope. Wrong.
Only losers believe everything euro-socialist Marxists say. Like you.
RF
November 20th, 2012
11:27 am
kimmer: he didn’t have to win by a landslide. What makes it spectacular perhaps is the Karl Rove predictions, even as the unavoidable reality was all over the media. If Karl was correct, then Romney lost by greater than 5, seeing as how he was up by at least that much in every poll Rove trusted. It’s the republicans puking all over themselves since that has made the Obama victory seem somewhat more important. It’s the sputtering and blaming and calling each other names and calling the party “stupid” that makes it a notable victory.
josef
November 20th, 2012
11:27 am
alex
Be careful. Sue Ellen’ll hike up her hoop skirts and challenge you to a mud wressle if you disagree with her too much.
RF
I agree with you on the why “their” scandals are more of note…it’s not that there or more or even more spectacular (though I would posit this latter is true), but the hypocrisy of it…”their” scandals involving those who were not beating the values tom tom tend not to get that much play…i.e. Paul Babeu…”…yeah, he was my boyfriend, and, no, I didn’t threaten to have him deported…” To me, that latter one was a red-letter date in our journey to equality…
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
11:27 am
“Do you want to start to address the deficit or not?”
Many do not – they still want to “starve the beast.”
Jefferson
November 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions unless you are a republican.
Proven everyday right here.
DannyX
November 20th, 2012
11:27 am
“Really? Obama won the popular vote by less than 1%”
Yikes, more Republican math…
Obama 50.6%, Romney 47.8% = Obama +2.8%
Maybe Kimmer is using “unskewed” results!
Oscar
November 20th, 2012
11:28 am
GT
November 20th, 2012
11:20 am
_____
It’s not past tense. I still don’t like those city boys. And city boys don’t like country boys.
Get Real
November 20th, 2012
11:28 am
Do you want to start to address the deficit or not?
Absolutely….stop spending more than we have….until that is done we will not get anywhere. Socialism is a wonderful thing until you run out of other people’s money
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:28 am
The 49ers looked great with their back up quarterback from Nevada.
We have to beat them and the Falcons again.
We are playing well but not that well.
barking frog
November 20th, 2012
11:28 am
Our tax problem is primarily taxing locally and policing globally.
Erwin's cat
November 20th, 2012
11:28 am
mitt lost worse than mccain ……
um..no he didn’t in the PV…mccain was down 10M and Mitt was down 3M
Obama also had a smaller turnout …down about 9M from ‘08
Paul
November 20th, 2012
11:30 am
Redcoat
I did not understand the point of your 11:20. My point, discussed before this thread, is that the military’s healthcare system is the most socialist health care system of any we have in this country. And it works very, very well.
I’m about to leave for an appointment pretty soon.
Jefferson
November 20th, 2012
11:30 am
By being a tax evader Romeny if fact is a parasite.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:30 am
“Nice non-answer”
Ok, lets call all those that voted for our President middle class then.
JamVet
November 20th, 2012
11:30 am
USMC,
I went to North Platte High School during those back to back national championships in 70 and 71.
HELL YES, I’M A HUSKER FAN!
Through thick and thin. And always will be.
Go Big Red!
Redcoat
November 20th, 2012
11:31 am
USMC…….That’s what my perception is , but most on here don’t want to call it “socialism”. They will not admit that this country is heading in that direction by RINO, democratic and/or liberal policy.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:32 am
cat,
Two thumpins equals a mandate for change.
It is here.
Oscar
November 20th, 2012
11:32 am
Did anyone else see the story this AM on FoxAtlanta that they are distilling moonshine at the Dawsonville court house as a tourist attraction..soon to have tastings and hooch for sale
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Several people in North Georgia are now making whiskey legally, by paying the federal taxes on the whiskey they make.
It was always a tax law violation. Only illegal because the taxes were not paid.
Get Real
November 20th, 2012
11:32 am
Ok, lets call all those that voted for our President middle class then.
Just say you really do not know as opposed to continue to provide silly answers…
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
11:32 am
josef
Let it continue. I have a little more popcorn left…
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
11:33 am
“mitt lost worse than mccain ……
um..no he didn’t in the PV”
The president, as you all know, is not elected by popular vote – I think some use that figure to make themselves feel better than acknowledging that President Obama actually won the election by about 62% – 38%.
Redcoat
November 20th, 2012
11:33 am
Paul…..the military has a limited amount of people being funded by the taxpayers…..I’m glad it works well for our troops, they deserve it!
getalife
November 20th, 2012
11:34 am
get reeal,
You are stuck in losing rw talking points.
Stay the course son.
Barack's the best
November 20th, 2012
11:34 am
I hate Norquist and wouldn’t be unhappy were I to learn he accidentally walked into the path of an oncoming bus. I have congressional Republicans too.
Is that wrong?