On immigration, U.S. public leading its supposed ‘leaders’

The great ronald reagan delivered amnesty decades ago, why is this so hard today???

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ditto laying fault at our state’s overabundance of stupidity and ignorance

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The great ronald reagan delivered amnesty decades ago, why is this so hard today???

Because in 1985 very few white folks weren’t concerned about losing their political power to brown folks. Now it keeps a whole lot of ‘em up at night.

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Kcin, you’re right. It can be both. Bush did try to show some leadership and was shot down by his own party. Obama showed some leadership by implementing by executive order portions of the Dream Act. Politics often involves timing and building. Leadership is not always obvious.

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Jay… this is the 1st time that I have agreed with you 100%, whole-heartly, and absolutely. I also think that the government should make it just a little more easy for these people to become citizens. it’s not like they came here crawling across the border with diapers. And because they have been schooled here they already know enuff to become lawful citizens. Maybe I should back-track here abit, schools here are far below appx 17 or 19 other nations.

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I admire the illegal kids who are utilizing the free education or the paid
education process but i am more concerned about the folks who are
working and paying taxes and have for years but cannot hope to become
citizens under the current process due to illiteracy and illegality. Just issue
permanent work permits and end this economic slavery.

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and tear down that screwball fence…

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and let the border patrol concentrate on drug shipments…

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We don’t punish children for the actions of the parents.

When we ask them to do something and they do it, we should not later punish them for it.

There is a moral dimension to all this. An important question is, are those who so vociferously denounce ‘illegals’ have the moral courage to acknowledge our part in this? If they do, will they then temper their vitriol?

If history is any guide, I rather think not.

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Rick in Grayson

” Deny jobs to those that are not in the US legally. Why have a legal immigration system when you can enter the US illegally without waiting?”

Did you read Jay’s piece?

Do Americans have any culpability in this?

So we look the other way so they can get here and work for cheap wages for us, then when the political climate changes we wash our hands and say ‘tough luck’?

No repercussions for the businessmen and government leaders who worked to get the illegals here?

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What about all the Cubans?? speaking of the sea borders. Maybe I’m too young, but I don’t remember all the B/S about all the cubans coming here. look at southern florida. Didn’t the US make some sort of exception for them? We aren’t gonna keep the mexicans and south americans out of this country. Take all the money we are spending getting them out and put it to good use getting them legal. end of story.

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Erwin’s cat
How about and let the border patrol concentrate on protecting drug shipments…

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FROG

Yes. A road to citizenship, though, for their kids being granted this temporary stay of execution…

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I may have a perspective here that many of y’all do not. Every day as part of my job, I see these people coming in to do the document chase. The blessing beyond compare is to see that little one I remember from way back when they came in making their first tenuous steps, strangers in a strange land, and now to see them as confident, educated and responsible adults but with that shy, “you probably don’t remember me, but I remember you,” Then, they share with me some personal memory from that time and, “yes! I remember you.” I have permission when asked to write for them a personal letter of recommendation to file with their applications. Of the ones who have come back, and they now number in the hundreds, there is not a one that I would not recommend as the hope of our future.

This move on Obama’s and others’ part will pay off in ways we can only benefit from. Those willing to stake their future as Americans on trust in the system to do the right thing are what America is all about. I have the rare chance to see just what it is we’re getting…and, folks, it is something magnificent…

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Golly, I hope this cycle the US public leads on a lot more that just immigration….

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josef
the President can grant amnesty and I think even the Attorney General can
grant a permanent work visa so why all the bs, just do it.

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Magical sea border mermaids
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The AquaGirls….

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Funny, I don’t think you liberals would think it quite so funny if the 53% stopped obeying the tax laws hoping to get some amnesty down the road now would you? Just throw the whole damn immigration law book out the effing window if we’re just going to friggin’ ignore it. All of it. Stop wasting out time on it and send all the border agents, INS, the whole lot of them to the house.

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I hope they pass laws for democratic voting immigrants only can become citizens. Its only fair, only the liberals believe in fairness and such…..why cant they go up north where all the good paying jobs are? C’mon give them a free bus ride or if you are really liberals first class plane ticket to one of those fair minded union cities.

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RB

Your moral compass is broken and can’t be fixed…you’re an evil genie who should be put back in your bottle…you have no heart and your soul is in jeopardy the way I see it…you claim to be religious, well what’s that about the sins of the fathers…?

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“Funny, I don’t think you liberals would think it quite so funny if the 53% stopped obeying the tax laws hoping to get some amnesty down the road now would you? Just throw the whole damn immigration law book out the effing window if we’re just going to friggin’ ignore it”
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RB – Sorry you’re not feeling well – hope you feel better soon!

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“how do you propose to protect our ENORMOUS sea borders?

Keep them well-stocked with sharks……”

I’m with you. I have seen the light. There is NO way we will ever stop the illegals from entering the USA.
I say….everyone from this point is welcome.
There are plenty of folks in America willing to help out with the expenses of taking in the rest of the world.
Send us your poor….hell, send us everybody!!

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“In exit polling, 65 percent of all voters said that illegal immigrants ought to be given the chance to become citizens. Only 28 percent said they should be deported.”

And that’s “exactly” why a pure democracy is so dangerous and why our founding fathers wisely set up this nation as a “Republic”.

Go ahead ……… allow this 12 million amnesty …….. then the next twelve ………. then the next, etc., etc.

A nation that cannot control its borders will cease to be a nation.

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Factory owners don’t care they will hire the cheapest labor they can find, and underpay if they think the employee won’t pitch a fit, then they go vote GOP.

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Joe Hussein Mama @ 2:00 Thanks, I thought that I had read something about that but wasn’t 100% sure. Thanks again for the fast research.

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Never gonna happen. Build a fence, they’ll build a taller ladder.

No ladder needed, on the Eastern part of the Great Wall of Bush, there’s a gap around the Hunt Bros. plantation and another Bush crony has a resort/country club on the border who also has the ” Wall exemption”. (is this a great country, or what??)

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Absolutely, everyone should be given a chance to become U.S. Citizens through a streamlined and user-friendly process. However, I have concerns about people who’ve been here for years and haven’t attempted the current process.

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Consistently screw over “brown folks” and they may have specific political aims that aren’t the same as the rest (but take a closer look: what they want and need could be beneficial for most.) Incorporate them and stop screwing them over (which tend to be a result of incorporating them) and their political needs aren’t likely to be very different.

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Thanks Josef..nice work

Jay if you allow the 15 year old to stay and the parents are illegal do they have to return to their native country and leave the child by themselves?

@Mr. Holmes–”brown ” folks, always gotta be race for the simple minded,always gotta be race…..

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JAY

There is this term that applies when a law (or contractual provision) is not enforced…its called estoppel meaning the overlooker is estopped from enforcement given certain circumstances.

IMO the feds can no longer enforce current immigration law as they have never really enforced it to the degree intended. I think we offer amnesty to all currently here but we must of course vet the criminals and other undesirable types out and send them, as well as all inmates in our prisons who are illegal, back to Mexico asap.

Employers who employ illegals should be responsible for providing means to get subject employees to come forward and sign up..

Really no other feasible option..BUSH offered the most idiotic proposals…send them all back then charge them $5K to return..thats award winning idiocy..

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“REGNARD

That would be making the assumption he has a central nervous system, and I have serious doubts there…”

LOL

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Keep them well-stocked with sharks……”

Yeah, that’ll stop all those people in boats alright

You’re not helping ….please suggest a solution

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I think a few births over at Northside are much more expensive than deporting 50 via a Greyhound bus.

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They are already here. They will not be deported. Legalize them now.

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You’re not helping ….please suggest a solution

land sharks?

LOL!!! BINGO!

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we need to stop the bleeding as they are generally not taxpayers

cite please.

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Hopper, agreed.

It is ALMOST as ridiculous as corrupt American employers who can make mountains of dirty money by breaking laws and get no punishment at all…

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For those advocating a “bigger fence” or “securing the border”. . . you are missing where many of the undocumented actually come from.

Legal work permits!

Yes, Many foreign nationals get legal work permits, and those permits expire. Once expired, many of those same foreign nationals stay and keep working. yes, yes, they know that they should return, but the work is good here in the USA. Plus, there are programs that update those permits, however, the lag time has gotten so large that many who should actually be documented become undocumented because of our own workload.

and be sure to thank a Republican for working to reduce the funds that keep these areas staffed to keep people in the country legally.

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let me strongly warn you of the consequences of a lax immigration policy

really

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Stevie

Why no mention of those who employed or still employ illegals? Aren’t they in many cases forgoing SS taxes, workmen’s comp, etc by not hiring US citizens or legal residents?

And what is your proof that they will swell the ranks of those that already do not pay taxes?

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Yes, let them pay taxes so they can start receiving their earned income credit because their jobs are the ones “Americans can’t or won’t do”. We all know those jobs pay a TON.

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FROG

The term Indian is perfectly acceptable in this household. Native American is abhorred and “if you want to get technical, Indigenous American…it matters little to me, just quit using the past imperfect tense when referring to me…”

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“we need to stop the bleeding as they are generally not taxpayers, use public resources, and reproduce knowing kids can be citizens”

How so? They pay sales taxes and rent, which helps the owner pay property taxes, which support schools and local government. They also buy goods which helps the economic engine keep spinning. And many of them work for a payscale the rest of us would consider criminal. If you recall, the farmers were a bit upset about the papers please laws here and in Alabama during the last crop harvesting season. How did that using prisoners program work out? Yeah, that was a bust, wasn’t it?

Bottom line: if they’re here and obeying the laws, why not give them some paperwork to make them legit and let them pay income taxes like the rest of us?

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Lets rethink this.

How about we give amnesty to all those that came across our borders illegally. The people that risked their lives to work and live in this great country.

Next we deport all the people that signed the secession petitions. We’ll give them 6 months to self deport. If they don’t leave we’ll deport them, round up and ship their butts out on a bus. Then we’ll build a big long electrified fence to keep them out.

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They will pass immigration reform for the Latino vote.

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josef: I’ve had many of those kids in my classes over the years, and their eagerness to learn not only a new language but the correct way to write it inspires me. They want to go to college, because they appreciate the struggle to pull onself up by the bootstraps. They are, ironically, the truest expression of the conservative “self-made” man in many cases. They truly ask for no handout other than an education and a chance to work for whatever pay they can get until they can earn the right to earn more.

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My people let the cons run their mouths when they got off the boat then took over New York City.

The cons bowed down to my people.

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The term Indian is perfectly acceptable in this household. Native American is abhorred

Just curious–How does “First People” work for yuz guys?

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Romney said that illegals can just “self deport”.

Wonder how that is working?

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FROG

That’s Unmentionable’s point…”anybody born in the Western Hemisphere is a ‘native American’ for G-d’s sake…

The past imperfect is what he says whenever somebody goes to talking about the Noble Savage. The grammar chosen telling all there is to tell…”The Native Americans used to this that or the other…” As he puts it, “my existence is past imperfect…well, I got news for ya, Pombo, I still AM…”

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estoppel – A rule of evidence whereby a person is barred from denying the truth of a fact that has already been settled.

Wow that sounds like Ambassador Rice declaring its the video that caused the murders.

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Danny: we could just use the fence that N.C. pastor was talking about for the gays:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/pastor-delivers-anti-gay-rant-suggests-building-electric-142753831.html

That would probably hold ‘em for a while.

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SFD

Funny you should ask! Unmentionable said when somebody asked him that, “my name ain’t Adam, and that one (me) sure ain’t Eve…” The Canadian use of First Nations, though, gets a better response…

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In an interview on WABC radio, she said: “I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants.”

“People have to stop employing illegal immigrants,” she said. “I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx. You’re going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work.”

Hillary Clinton

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First People might cause us to carry too much guilt.

hey, if *I* can heft the White Man’s Burden all these years, you can take responsibility for being the First. Fair’s fair.

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AqGirl: Magical sea border mermaids. Of course. We get them from the same place we get magical fence-building elves and magical E-verify dwarves.

Girlfriend, you need Jesus. AND some serious vodka!

Here’s my take on the immigration issue:

Too many times certain political opportunists are looking at the “brown” immigrant and screaming, “Illegal!!!” — yet they fail to see the “lighter shade of brown” ones.

There are tons of Russians, Czchecks, Greek and Chineese/Korean “illegals” in this country that are not put through the same distasteful gauntlet that the S. American and Mexican “illegal” goes through.

Its a travesty and distasteful. It’s time we lived up to the that Statue:

The statue, a gift to the United States from the people of France, is of a robed female figure representing Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom, who bears a torch and a tabula ansata (a tablet evoking the law) upon which is inscribed the date of the American Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776. A broken chain lies at her feet. The statue is an icon of freedom and of the United States: a welcoming signal to immigrants arriving from abroad.

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SCOUT

Have not read “1493″ Will put it on my list…thanks…and though it doesn’t deal with the subject in the same fashion, but have you ever read Mary Johnston’s “1492?” It’s available in on-line format if you have not…some very interesting perspectives there…

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Immigration Gumballs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM1YU-Ni_84

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Sharks come from the same breeding pool as lawyers, so my money would be on the Aquagirls.

More seriously, the pubs have been put on notice by the last election. There will be both republican and democrat proposals to fix this. The republicans know they have to start tearing down the fence between republican candidates and hispanics.

The fence already has a lot of holes. We need holes for the pipelines bringing Mexican oil, We need a door for the guys coming in to join the marines, and the drug dealers and weapons buyers are finding all kinds of ways under, around, and over the fences that exist.

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First nation people take my money and use it for socialism for their tribe.

I helped them build a hotel.

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One of my best friends came here from China to attend grad school. She is now a citizen with a terrific job and heavy responsibilities. Because of her brilliant work she has contributed to this country more than most. She also has a great deal of freedom. Her parents, both retired academics from Chinese universities, live part of the time here in her home. They sometimes travel with her to help with the children who may attend school in China for part of the year and here in Georgia for another part. Her parents also spend time with another of their children in Canada. Not one single person so far has tried to convince her that old white guys consider her *the other,* or inferior, or someone to fear—well maybe the fear part works in some quarters.

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getalife

You and Richard Nixon…best friends the Noble Savage have known in America…

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I have some boxes that need moving

de po’ white man can’t get a break, no suh!

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Well, where does it end. Give 10,000 citizenship and another 20,000 will show up. After awhile these illegals will consider theirselfs just as good as the average stump-broke redneck that was born here. God must not of wanted these illegals to be U.S. citizens or else He would of arranged for them to be born here. So giving them citizenship goes against God too.

I know we got to be nicer to the illegals to get their vote in 2016. But let’s not start that now. I done some quick figuring and by my arithmetic we could give 2,000 GA rednecks a job hauling illegals across the border and dumping them. That’s counting about 5 people per pickup. Some GA rednecks buy the short-bed pickups and can’t haul as many—you wouldn’t want them riding in the cab—while others buy the long-beds and could haul 6 or 7.

Let’s put the redneck back in GA American. Who’s with me on this?

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I wonder if the cons are the slaves in the future.

You should have treated minorities better cons.

Bad karma.

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@ debbie;yes and my parents needed a “sponsor” and a job before they were allowed to emigrate to the US in 1951, they came thru NY. If these were opportunist then this election should tell them just where the opportunity is……

@ jay, I would think that by applying for this program the illegal immigrant (parent) would be making themselves obvious to immigration officials..

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The problem is what to do with the parents that brought them here “Illegally’ The law say they are to be deported, and blocked from reentry for at least 10 years.. What about stopping the boarder point where they came in at? in 1985 we were sold on this as a One time only thing, and No more… See were that got us.. the real number are probity 3 times of what the Government says.. 50% of all immigrants are on some form of government program, that is both the legal and illegal one, Hispanic immigrants are over 70%. and they wonder why people are against them here.. Here is what you do,
1) get a H2b work visa, 2) pay your taxes 3) don’t be a burden on the tax payers by not paying your hospital bills after you have your children. 4) learn to speak English.. this is just 4 easy steps to get people to soften there option on this issue..

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alex 3:09 it does seem that would happen…

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“learn to speak English.. ”

They have to use subtitles in English with some Americans.

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I want to unionize all the illegals and register them for the democratic party. If they cant read that is ok I will fill out their forms for them and show them who to vote for.

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“@getalife, and it IS a nice hotel, thanks.”

It is nice.

They have the best restaurants in the area.

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“So you are right, they do often pay taxes but not remotely paying their way..”

I keep hearing – Mexican Illegal aliens get out of paying income tax by claiming 12 deductions. Wait a minute, don’t you have to actually FILE a tax return? And on that tax return, don’t you have to list your dependents – and their SS numbers? I don’t think these illegals are changing jobs every year, so the IRS knows where they work if they don’t file. I think most file and pay their taxes just to stay under the radar. Easy to police (IF you have enough IRS staff). BTW, if we are losing millions of dollars in uncollected taxes because of a few thousand in savings on IRS staff, it seems like a pretty reasonable thing to help the budget to hire more staff… but I am just a dumb redneck, so what do I know.

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SCOUT

Do. After you have, get back with me on the Jewish angle…

getalife

And you know what’s really funny about that? If you pay attention, you’ll find that their use of correct English grammar and syntax is often flawless…I’ve been taking notes on that one…

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Got through the first page, and I got exactly what I expected.

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Grasshopper @ 1:42

And fix the d**n borders! Ridiculous that people can swim 25 yards, break laws and get no punishment except having to used as a political tool.

Do you honestly think that 11 to 12 million people (estimated undocumented population) have swam across a river or crossed a fence to get here? You need to study immigration laws and policies before you start to rant.

Do you realize that we give tourists with visas a 6 month time period to stay in the US and that time period can be extended for up to one year? What kind of tourist needs that amount of time in one country?

Also, read the 9/11 Commission report to see what changes they advocated in regards to immigration. We have checkpoints for people entering the country, but we don’t have any concrete system monitoring departures. That was a recommendation made by that committee that still hasn’t been implimented.

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Logical Dude @ 2:26

You’re swinging for the fence. When we don’t want to pay for or enact the necessary processes/procedures to make sure people are leaving like they’re supposed to, we may as well invite them to stay permanently.

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“If you think it’s ok to obey some laws and ignore others, that is, or should be, incorrect thinking.”

Do you obey the speed limit inside the perimeter, all the time?

Do you and your wife have oral sex?

Ther’s your sign…

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The Socialist States of America would be a perfect place for the illegals to gain amnesty.

If we could just break off the Northeast and attach it to the West Coast…

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Obama will be known as the “butt healer”.

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I have a friend in Germany who has applied for a green card and has been on a waiting list since 2004. He has a college degree in accounting, speaks English better than some of us, and wants nothing more than to BE AN AMERICAN.

So sad that we open the borders to some and close it to others.

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“If we could just break off the Northeast and attach it to the West Coast”

Apparently, you’ll have to throw in Florida, New mexico, and the Great Lakes/MidWest region…

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IMAM
@ 3:23

Yep.

Middle of the Road
@ 3:25

Yep.

BROSEPHUS

Yeah, but we talkin’ ’bout them Messicans…

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“Now we want to look at them, point in horror and scream “LAWBREAKER!!!!”??

Nobody wants to admit that many companies grew their profit margins from the low wages they were able to pay the “illegals” they hired for next to nothing. They had a sweet deal not having to report wages or pay for benefits. Once they got a taste of that, they surely didn’t want the government actually enforcing immigration laws. And now that they’ve proven themselves to be against anything remotely resembling citizenship for the immigrants, they suddenly find themselves having to support immigration reform to try to court votes. I hate to think that any immigrant with a modicum of sense would ever trust the conservatives.

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sfd

False equivalency.

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@ Jamvet,..spanking, the Air Force teach you that..MD 20/20 and a cat-o-nine-tail..up,up and away…

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“just wondering….since it takes several documents to get a drivers license these days, how are people who are here illegally able to pull it off?”

Either they don’t have driver’s licenses, or they have fake ones. (or I guess the documents they use to get a REAL driver’s license could be fake)

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“Obama will be known as the ‘butt healer’.”

After that Electoral College that spanking Obama administered two weeks ago, he might need to be just that. Based on comments on this blog, the welts do not seem to be subsiding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6up076lSH8

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RF

“…my derriere’s just not as firm as it was in my 20’s…”

Well, at least you still got one…I’ve got a case of the gone-ass…that tea cup butt I used to have is just a memory…

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Yes, but living here and failing to file income tax returns IS a criminal offense.

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betty, why?

The GOP has already ceded away all of America’s largest engines of commerce and finance, as well as the great centers of culture and education as it is!

Conastan?

Too funny, get…

Even then they would secede from the northern cons and form the Confederate States of Conastan…

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Indigo — “If you are in America illegally you ARE breaking the law, and that is criminal.”

No, it’s not criminal. It’s an administrative violation only; the kind of thing that traffic court calls a “document offense.” From a legal standpoint, it’s like driving without your license or on expired tags.

Call ICE and ask them; they’ll tell you the same thing.

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Hiya Frog!

Debbie it always comes down to the dorsal fin doesn’t it…..

Thats what they tell me!!
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josef: If your lazy plantation loving, government teat sucking, non-speakee-zee-english, LIBERALS would only do as the cons SAY and not as they do…………..then NONE OF THIS would be a problem!!
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here’s some jokes and a curse: What do you call a white man married to a mexican woman? A white man with a taco

What do you call a white man married to a itallian woman? A white man with pasta

What do you call a white man married to an Indian (india) woman? A white man with a 7-11 store.

What do you call a white man married to a Chineese woman? A white man with an egg roll.

What do you call a white woman married to a black man? A wh###re

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Counting Votes

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if he applied for the Diversity Visa as a German, he’s likely to not get one. The whole purpose of the DV or Lottery Visa is to boost immigration numbers from countries that have very low number of legal immigrants coming to the US.

http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/MultiYearTableVII.pdf

There are usually only 55,000 visas available per year under that program. The PDF file there shows how they have been distributed between 1995-2010. The number for Germany, as most other European countries, are very low as they usually have family or jobs that petition for them.

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sfd

False equivalency.

How so? there are penalties for pirating software, sharing mp3s, and speeding. If you’re engaging in these practices you, too, are an “illegal.”

Doesn’t sound so good when *you’re* reduced to that kinda terminology, does it?

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C. Votes — “Yes, but living here and failing to file income tax returns IS a criminal offense.”

If you have a tax liability over and above your annual withholdings, yes. But even so, the IRS rarely prosecutes. They’d much rather you just come across with what you owe and save everyone the time and hassle of litigation.

You gotta be a tax scofflaw on the order of Wesley Snipes in order to actually do any jail time for something like that.

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ZamVet

“Confederate States of Conastan”

The birthers might have a problem with that. The Confederacy did not require the President to be a native born citizen. Know why?

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JHS

I agree with you with respect to the pragmatic application of tax law; however, I would dare to say that many of our immigrants who have not arrived here with visa in hand also fail to file tax returns for their income.

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I’d bet goog money before the next election, these illegals will be given the right to vote. Anybody want to bet?

Don’t have any goog currency. Will Monopoly money do? I’ll throw in a Waterworks and the B&O.

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Yes, but living here and failing to file income tax returns IS a criminal offense.

Nope. The receipt of a specified amount of gross income generally determines
whether an income tax return must be filed. See United States v.
Middleton, 246 F.3d 825, 841 (6th Cir. 2001) (stating that the assertion
that the filing of an income tax return is “voluntary” is frivolous because
26 U.S.C. § 6012(a)(1)(A) requires that every individual who earns a
threshhold level of income must file a tax return.

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alex,

The house is next to fall.

Butt whoopin III.

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Counting Votes

If each Mexican immigrant required an American sponsor, there would be parity in the system.

Take a look at the link I posted. You won’t find Mexico on the DV list. Mexicans always have a sponsor, whether it’s a US citizen, legal resident, or employer. The only other way for them to get a green card is if they are granted asylum, and that route is not an easy route for Mexicans to take.

People think Mexicans have all kinds of advantages, but part of the reason I think they cross over illegally is because we don’t give them the same opportunities as other countries to immigrate here legally.

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C. Votes — “I agree with you with respect to the pragmatic application of tax law; however, I would dare to say that many of our immigrants who have not arrived here with visa in hand also fail to file tax returns for their income.”

That’s probably true. Then again, if they’re having taxes withheld and aren’t filing a return, I think it’s reasonable to assume — given the wage levels we’re probably talking about — that the government’s coming out ahead on the transaction.

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DDR

He ne ha…

Yep.

GETALIFE

Nope. No birthers. Still, though, do you know why?

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…and if income exceeds the threshold, and is primarily in cash…and the taxpayer fails to file a return…then…THEN…is it a crime?

I’m sure there’s only a couple of illegal immigrants that would fall under that category though, right?

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I’d bet goog money before the next election, these illegals will be given the right to vote. Anybody want to bet?

I’d hate to take your money away from you. It takes 5 years for a legal resident to be able to apply for citizenship. The only way that someone, who’s illegal now, would be a citizen and able to vote in 4 years is if they put their ass on the line in Afghanistan. Given the 2014 timetable, they would need to enlist now in order to get the combat time necessary to jump the line to citizenship.

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Nope. No birthers. Still, though, do you know why?

Trick question…

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getalife, I refuse to be your slave.

ooooh Betty……. what have you and getalife been talking about “off line”?

You harlot you!

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Well if we do it, we can get shut down the border patrol and INS

The INS disappeared in 2003. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), on the other hand, won’t disappear as you still have cargo and other goods crossing the border that requires inspection.

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“People think Mexicans have all kinds of advantages, but part of the reason I think they cross over illegally is because we don’t give them the same opportunities as other countries to immigrate here legally.”

And that’s the problem from the other side of the looking glass. Disparate application of immigration laws that lead to patently unfair and unjust results.

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Okay, josef – just to confirm, your question is, “why didn’t the Confederacy have a “native-born” rule for the presidency?”

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indigo: Do people caught jaywalking get deported?

It all depends. With the enactment of the “Secure Communities” program and the 287G program, the person caught jaywalking may be set up for deportation hearings if they have a criminal record. I haven’t heard of a case where someone, who’s only offense is something like jaywalking, has been deported, but there is always the first case just waiting to happen. I imagine that if the jaywalker is tatted up with MS-13 tats, they will get deported if they are undocumented.

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okayyyy man tell us why, josef & dangerdude

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Just knew you guys would jump on it, Butt whoppin 3, hope it’s better than Shrek 3,
seriously Debbie you have TOO much free time, back to the fry station….watch the poppin’ grease! Good old AMERICAN air, isn’t that an airline….TOO much

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Although, I’m willing to be wrong…

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alex — “Good old AMERICAN air, isn’t that an airline”

Yes, it’s the one where the seats aren’t bolted down. Fly AA at your own risk.

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DDR
I’ve always found it intriguing that the birth of the modern gay rights movement was Stonewall!

REGNARD

Nope. It was a tip of the kippah to Judah P…he was born abroad and if the provision were put in the Constitution he would have been ineligible to run if…

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Watch out for getalife Debbie.

He’s a real pimp, that one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeX2WO34D88

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Dang! I lost it all on final jeopardy…

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indigo — “Joe Hussein Mama – 3:39 If you’re caught “driving without your license or on expired tags”, are you subject to being deported?”

Question: If you’re a foreign national, present in the US and you’re caught without valid documentation allowing you to be here, are you subject to being deported?

Answer: not automatically, no.

“You need to think before posting here.”

You need to be better informed before posting here.

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Amazing how the cons are always working with old info, isn’t it? Plenty of them here still gripe about “food stamps” even though they haven’t even existed for about eight years now.

Yep!!!

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betty, no one has asked you to.

As I noted, the GOP has voluntarily ceded those parts of the country away.

And if they don;t get their act together and soon, it may well be permanently.

Which spells what?

Permanent Electoral College Loss Syndrome…

Reg, that would be a gain of minus 8 seats for the GOPers.

But it is not so much that as it was the crushing defeats of the scummiest of the scummy Tea Party types like West, Walsh, Akin and Mourdoch that was so damn satisfying.

Throw in the repulsive George Macaca Allen getting booted to the curb (again) and it was a great election…

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PAUL

Well, it’s what keeps me going and does do a lot to put things in perspective…

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Take an illegal home for supper tonight. Show everyone your heart’s in the right place. The law says a couple can give away $2600.00 as a gift; try that and your heart will feel even better. Don’t be so doggone stingy.

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“We have laws for a reason. This should not be about money but Morality. We need to enforce the law”

And therein lies the problem. Congress never allocated the money for enforcement they were SUPPOSED to provide after that amnesty program. And yes, it is about money. Trust me on this, you’re not going to get 12 million or so people to suddenly have an attack of conscience and just up and leave. You want the laws enforced? Be prepared to pay for it.

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“Why have any laws if we are not going to enforce them What part of illegal do you not understand?”

I KNEW someone would eventually say it.

Why DO we have laws and then not enforce them? Because they sound a lot better when passing them than they do when a woman gets hauled into court for giving her husband a BJ.

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“Don’t be so doggone stingy”

Please leave me out of this

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Jay,
I’m in a helluva fix here…………on one hand I think immigration laws should be followed. On another, and this may sound like stereo-typing to some, the quote “illegals” that worked where I am employed out-worked the hell out of anything we had here previously, so your point is taken. They missed less time, learned more quickly, and busted their a$$e$. There is one who came to this country…..he had nothing and knew no English. He started at ***** (can’t name the company….may start blowing my cover) and eventually learned English. He never missed. He worked his way up and was made a shift manager. Four years ago, he was made sales manager at a great retail organization. But, for every great story like this, there are others with the drug trade, gang stuff (yeah, i know all races have gangs.) I do not agree that we should just open our borders to anybody, and I do know that it is easy to judge Arizona and places that border Mexico when you live in a state that does NOT have the same problem, since you have no frickin’ clue what these places have to deal with on a daily basis. However, lots of these cats can do and will do okay……..there has to be some way to get all this straightened out in a way that is fair but not stupid, honest but safe, etc. By the way, the guy above that I mentioned is NOT fictional…..he is one of the best managers I know and has built as much customer loyalty in four years as some do in a lifetime. And he came over because he was hungry…

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If you think Obama won the election based on a promise of “free stuff”, sorry but you’re a rube.

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josef

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JamVet,

getalife and his ilk are threatening to seek revenge on me and “my kind” since I have oppressed his kind for centuries.

This “land slide” victory has really gone to the dem’s head.

I’m sure the Chicago Cubs once thought they would be winning all the future World Series as well.

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Middle — Only another woman who DOESN’T give one to her husband will enforce that law. No man will ever do it.

josef — what’s the answer to the question!! Is Stonewall Jackson the correct answer?

alex: “when morality”-here’s to hoping that you’re in it for profit….

My job is strictly for profit. I find no joy in what I do. However all of my “public” work that i love doing and wish it paid more , (when I used to do it for money), so that I could’ve done it forever. Now I’m just a volunteer.

Cause when Georgia Power comes knocking on your door asking for their money, you can’t say, “Hey, I give 1375 Hours a year to various charities PLUS I help with Habitat Humanity AND I do taxes for free!!!”. the service guy will just look sadly at you while he turns your lights out.

I wish I could be a josef, or a Paul — someone who does what they LOVE to do because of the sheer joy of it. Instead, I’m a Debbie. Doing it for the money.

PS: Dallas was a freebie!

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“And they are still being used fraudulently.”

Anyone getting caught should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. With that said, can you tell me where there isn’t fraud to some degree or another?

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My daughter used to work at Kroger Whole Foods as a cashier and would tell stories about it

Hmmm…. so your daughter could tell who was breaking the law….. She must have an amazing record in law enforcement.

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“josef — what’s the answer to the question!! Is Stonewall Jackson the correct answer?”

I thought the correct answer was that NO ONE was “native born” to the Confederacy because they were all born in the United States

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skipper: it’s amazing what hunger and lack of opportunity will do to a man. As much as I think we need the social safety net, I sure do get tired of some of the kids who take it for granted. And that applies to kids at all economic levels, not just the poor on assistance.

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“so your daughter could tell who was breaking the law….. She must have an amazing record in law enforcement”

And she was enabling that law breaking by not reporting it to the authorities.

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Uh oh, now you done did it, Middle!

Everyone here knows for a fact that no one ever witnesses any fraud with SNAP because there isn;t any!

And if you did hear or see any, it’s a LIE!

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“I sure do get tired of some of the kids who take it for granted.”

And there’s nothing you can do about that. People always end up taking for granted the things that ARE as they are growing up.

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DDR
@ 4:09

DOGGONE

Not really or that would have been applicable in the US Constitution as well…

K’CHAK

It might have been hard to tell with all them in prom burkas….

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@josef,
Thanks……I am an independant/moderate, but man, after I got to know ***** (not putting his name) and his struggles, and watch his success and sincerety (as well as knowing that his journey is for real….this ain’t no made-up tale) I damn near went to war with myself. We cannot just “drop-the-gates” and let everybody rush over, and I am not a proponent of that. But (Vidalia onion-harvest, for example) we now know the work ethic, and with work-ethic comes some good. Again, I sympathize with Arizona and places that have an undue burden placed on them that it is easy for outsiders (who do not have to deal with it) to judge. But there has to be a way to fix the present situation, address the future, and move on……..

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I wish I could be a josef, or a Paul — someone who does what they LOVE to do because of the sheer joy of it. Instead, I’m a Debbie. Doing it for the money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNQW-63OuE4

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Brosephus: I actually was thinking of a little Donna Summer as I thought about DDR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7MbG6MiQs

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Thanks RF!

Thanks josef!

Betty — getalife is a pimp!! Man! you learn LOTS of stuff on a blog!!!

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josef: and a lot of them now qualify for Peachcare for their kids. I wish I had had that option when mine were little and I took the paycut to go to the country. I know some parapros at my school who work harder than a lot of the teachers and get paid diddly-squat for it.

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Keep: funny how many “know” they see it happen, but won’t bother to report it. It’s like Reagan’s mythical Welfare Queens. Everybody swore they had seen one, but… kinda like Bigfoot, I guess.

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JHM, RF,

It easily happens because people don’t care.

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“I wish I could be a josef, or a Paul — someone who does what they LOVE to do because of the sheer joy of it. Instead, I’m a Debbie. Doing it for the money.”

Well, let me give the credit where it belongs. When Unmentionable was getting established I put in my time in the real world in the corporate sphere, hating what I did, but bringing home the bulk of the shekels. When he was established he came to me and said that it was now my turn to do what I wanted to. Well, I have been and I owe it to him for that opportunity…

DDR
On Scout…the boy can piss me off big time, but I will find myself coming to his defense any number of times from exactly what you said…he don’t like gay people and thinks we’re all going to hell, but if that preacher up in NC were to have his way and lock us up in camps, Scout would hide me and lay down his life. All in all, I’ll take that personal loyalty over some theoretical one any day of the week…

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Betty: if they don’t care, then they need to quit griping about it. It’s like the pee testing for welfare applicants in Florida. Lotta hoopla that hasn’t turned out to be the big deal they thought it was. “I know it happens” just isn’t good enough, period.

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Joe – 4:11

You answered a question I did not ask.

I think you need to go and lie down.

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RF

November 20th, 2012
4:47 pm

You can make fun of me if you want to but I have seen a “wellfare Queen”.No bigfoot though.

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indigo — “Joe – 4:11 You answered a question I did not ask.”

If you don’t like my reply, then restate your question. If you don’t want to do that, then make your peace with my reply.

“I think you need to go and lie down.”

Your request is denied. Do you have any other requests or demands I can refuse for you this afternoon?

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JHM, I wasn’t shrieking about libs.

I don’t know Middle’s daughter – she is most likely a teenager – nothing to do with lib/cons.

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josef,

What is the answer to your question?

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Another aspect of comprehensive immigration reform is the potential for a mini boom in consumption. The undocumented workers are reticent to spend their disposable income on consumer goods for fear of being deported. They would rather save their money or send it back to their families in their country of origin. Once they get their papers they will be buying their American dream just as every other immigrant wave has done.

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Indigo, while I disagree with you, your comments for the most part have been thoughtful and caused me to reconsider my own position. However, I lose sympathy for your opinions and grow ever more discouraged with the general state of political discourse in our country (especially as it takes place on anonymous internet message boards) when you end them with intentionally inflammatory remarks like “next time think before posting here” or “you can’t really be serious.”

I’m sure other posters are doing the same thing, but yours have stood out since I already disagree with you. I also choose to single you out because your position seeks to further disenfranchise and marginalize those who already have little power or voice.

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M. Betty — “JHM, I wasn’t shrieking about libs.”

Do tell. So who were you complaining about when you said this?

“Uh oh, now you done did it, Middle! Everyone here knows for a fact that no one ever witnesses any fraud with SNAP because there isn;t any! And if you did hear or see any, it’s a LIE!”

“I don’t know Middle’s daughter – she is most likely a teenager – nothing to do with lib/cons.”

So if she actually *witnessed* welfare fraud and didn’t do anything about it, how come she’s not getting the shrieky treatment like the passage I just quoted? And who, exactly, were you *aiming* that shriek at in the first place?

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BOTH

Oh, if you’ve only been on for a couple of years, you’ve missed some of mine and Scout’s more spectacular set-tos! I was agreeing, though, with what DDR was saying about him. I fall into that category with him. Now, Wa-do Del? He’d turn me in in a flash…

In relation to that, I cite the case of the leader of the Endek Party in Poland who was brought up for war crimes after liberation. One of the charges brought against him was that he had sponsored some of the most restrictive anti Semitic legislation in Poland prior to the war. In his defense, it was uncovered that he had hidden over a thousand Jews on his estate during the Holocaust. He was acquitted of that particular charge. It’s one of the reasons I am hesitant to damn someone freely and entirely out of hand…

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scout thinks he is satire.

Be kind to the poor soul.

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if you know what I mean.

Yes I do getalife!

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josef

Got you. From a military and police duties and responsibilies, I’m confident that he did is job well and without thought if those being protected agreed with him or not. I have no doubt he did those jobs to the best of his ability.

Now as you put it to DDR, which seemed on a more personal basis, I do have my doubts outside of the examples that she mentioned and of course your personal thoughts on that issue.

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josef “you have no heart and your soul is in jeopardy the way I see it…”

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Well ,well said and to support your earlier post ” Those willing to stake their future as Americans on trust in the system to do the right thing are what America is all about. I have the rare chance to see just what it is we’re getting…and, folks, it is something magnificent…”

Are we really that arrogant to believe that we can exist on this planet, have existed , without the input ,in more ways than one, of all human beings outside our shores?

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“So if she actually *witnessed* welfare fraud and didn’t do anything about it, how come she’s not getting the shrieky treatment like the passage I just quoted? And who, exactly, were you *aiming* that shriek at in the first place?”

Middle, please get your daughter on this blog so I can shriek at her!

Thanks

JHM,

I was aiming my shriek at YOU!!!

raaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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The Queen part I would qualify for…but that’s only for certain people who get to know me well…and when DDR lets me borrow the boa…

Its actually a “community” boa — josef and I share it and only let the really “super cool kids” borrow it. And then, not that often!!

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betty: Middle, please get your daughter on this blog so I can shriek at her!

Betty — you need Jesus girl!

PS: I see where “Dem Dawgs” are back in the game since they have to play Bama for the SEC Championship. It’s a shame though………..I’ve seen what Bama can do with a pack of wild dogs…………..

Somebody’s gonna have to call the ASPCA when that game is over………………..

Just kidding — I just love to razz you “Dem Dawgs” fans!

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Scootter: What do you define as a welfare queen then? As I know it, it’s those who have kids on purpose so they can milk the system. Not illegal, and certainly not as prolific as some think. I’ve suspected a few here and there, but then stereotypes can be dangerous…

I’ll tell you a story of what happened to me once. I was in Wal-Mart using my TANF when I had it, and a guy behind me mumbled to his wife something about “he don’t look like he oughta be needing one of them cards…” I put my youngest down into the buggy and turned and said rather curtly, “If you took a minute to ask instead of spouting off, you’d find out that I fought for these two to get them out of a drug infested hell-hole where this one (the youngest) almost died. I’ll do whatever I can to make sure he’s fed and if I’m frankly thankful to live in a country where I can get some short-term help to do it. He deserves a chance to live and thrive, and I am grateful for any help I can get right now. Maybe if you got to know some of the people who get help, you’d find out a lot of them have good reasons to need it and are just as embarrassed as I am at needing it.” His wife apologized and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open as I left. Stereotypes are easy to use, but seldom accurate, you know?

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Stereotypes are easy to use, but seldom accurate, you know?

Word!

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I’m about to commit a fraud in a few minutes. I’m going home to “cook”. Ya’ll pray for the people who gotta eat the slop great food I’m about to cook!!!

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Later Gators!!!

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@Joe: it’s like that drug testing Florida started for welfare applicants. As I recall, it netted less than 2% offenders. It makes for a nice talking point and gets people riled up in an election year, just like mentioning voter fraud. They all know it, but can’t seem to put hard numbers on the table.

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@joe: thanks! I get right defensive of my crumb munchers. Something about those sweet faces still melts my heart, and they’re surly teenagers now.

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“I recall, it netted less than 2% offenders.”

I think that’s pretty close…and as I recall, the general population had a “hit” rate of over 4%

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RF

November 20th, 2012
5:30 pm

Ok RF,I was confused on what a wellfare queen is.I was behind the lady and she used food stamps (or what ever) to buy her food.I only had a few items and payed cash and went out after her.We were parked on the same aisle and I noticed that she was putting her food in the trunk of a brand new Lexus.The first thing I thought was,how can she get food stamps and still buy a new car.Something didn’t seem quite right with that. Oh,and don’t feel bad,I have had to use Gov. help also.

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Scootter: She could have been like me. We went to daycare with a few kids whose grandmother had to take over raising them suddenly. She was a professional and had a nice car, but took the offered assistance for paying for daycare. Like me, it was a matter of keeping the bills paid until she could adjust the budget to having to take the children so suddenly. I don’t doubt there’s fraud out there- I had to report my sister for it once before we managed to get the kids away from that lifestyle. I’ve just learned not to judge too much by what I think I see, and it helps having been on the other side of the table, so to speak.

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Immigration, immigration, bloody immigration, leave me alone
Immigration, immigration, bloody immigration, leave me alone

I see malice in your eyes, contempt in your heart
I see malice in your eyes, contempt in your heart

It’s time to admit that we all are one voice (we all are the same)
Embrace the idea that we are all the same

You need me, more than I need you
You need me, more than I need you
You need me, more than I need you
You need me, more than I need you

People people let’s start together let’s do it right
People people let’s love one another I know we know how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdsJGfyNeRw

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Bro

If winner scores 21 pts or less, I say AL.

If more than that, bets are off and Dawgs have more than a puncher’s chance.

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Real Scooter: I was behind the lady and she used food stamps (or what ever) to buy her food.I only had a few items and payed cash and went out after her.We were parked on the same aisle and I noticed that she was putting her food in the trunk of a brand new Lexus.

Hmmm… Lexus is the number #1 car choice of Welfare Queens.

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the woman was employed as a household servant and that the car was that of her employer? Or could you tell by looking at her that she owned the brand new car?

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Go ahead, O’bozo, open the borders. We’re doomed anyway.

RIP USA 1776-2012

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They BOTH

I’m willing to bet they won’t try to “Black Out” the stadium again.

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RF

Well, who knows, if the Mayans were right and we’re interpreting their calendar correctly, it’ll be RIP EARTH in a few weeks, so what’s the gloomy attitude gonna do for ya?

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That’s why I’m doing Christmas shopping Dec 24th

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josef

I’ve seen a few of the “battles” involving you two. Been in one or two myself with him.

It is not the being conservative that alarms me, it is the stances on a few particular issues and the rhetoric that goes along it the topics arise.

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“That’s why I’m doing Christmas shopping Dec 24th ”

Yeah, but if we make it ’til then, you’ll be one cranky shopper in that madhouse. Just do gift cards- simple and they’re everywhere.

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RF

Scootter is a closet liberal…

Jokes aside, he’s one of my favorite people here ’bouts…he actually LIKES to be challenged and he’s one of the more open-minded…

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RF

Yep but then I would have to pay for them LOL

I have a plan to take ALL my money with me, in that way I remind me of a con

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Bro

No blackouts for sure, but I will take a repeat of the OT victory from that previous year.

GA has to attempt to follow A&Ms plan and pass down field. Tide secondary not as good as last few yrs. D Line usually gets to QB so it is hard to exploit, but it can be done. GA O line being capable might be another story.

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Deport? They need to be lined up and shot!

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I don’t consider myself a con RF.After coming here I consider myself somewhere in the middle,I would call myself a libracon although I have been called worse here.

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Real Scootter

You could call yourself an indecondra

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COMMON SENSE

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Are you saying Scotter is openly mind challenged

I don’t know about that Common but I will say that I am verticlely challenged,been short all my life!

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josef

We all have them, but none of us are automatically excused because we can point toward another.

The two issues that come to mind, are two pet peeves of mine. so I guess that’s why I’m not has quick to let it go.

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I don’t mind telling you — this “fiscal cliff” thing has really got me worried.

SEX! POLITICS! MONSTERS! FULL MOON! DON’T MISS IT!

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You could call yourself an indecondra

I like that! But after Bro talking about that Alabama Black Snake I would prefer “one eyed Pithon of love”

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Bro

I’m and SEC man as well. Don’t know the Bama history like you but have a good idea at since following football in the late 70s.

Bama D and O like is better than GAs. That is the big advantage which is huge. LBs maybe AL a slight edge but not much.

All else is close to even imo.

Well, you guys have better punter and kicker which could be big.

I don’t think GA can whip AL. They can win but not beat down. AL can beat GA down if they get early lead and GA can’t protect QB.

Bama can get to QB without blitzes, GA not so much.

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Wow

My grammar and typing are always suspect. Using a phone is even worse…..

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“one eyed Pithon of love”

WHOA, it’s a little early for that kind of conversation on the verandah! Here’s a Robin Williams skit you might get a laugh out of about the designing of “those parts”…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvF8ImF0K5s&feature=related

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Sooth

Is that shorthand for I got sick of ALL you crazy people

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Bro

I might be jumping ahead of myself. I think GA will win but don’t see them dominating Tech like AL will dominate Allbarn.

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Common

Majority of my friends lean right to some degree. While I don’t initiate as much political talk as I once did, I will jump right in if politics are brought up.

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Dang RF,the link only ran for a few secs but I will try it again! That dude can be funny.

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As for you and ol’ one-eye… You’re on your own.

It’s more like “OLD one-eye nowa days Bro!

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RF

That was a great clip from Robin Williams

Bro

How do you know you are the only brother from AL here?

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Scootter

Really…? It ran a little over six mins for me….

And it has been my experience at deer camp, the more firewater consumed, the more liberal they get…

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“the more firewater consumed, the more liberal they get”

Some good stories involving conservatives and firewater…they get REALLY liberal if you let them. I’m just glad it dulls the memory!!

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BROSEPHUS

Wait a second…Football IS a science at UA….

RF

What happens at deer camp, stays at deer camp.

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Football IS a science at UA

Not only that, one can major AND minor in football on the way to receiving a PhD in football.

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I got it RF! That was hilarious.

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Here’s a fun song you’re bound to enjoy! It features David (Dawg) Grisman, Vassar Clements from “Old and In the Way,” and Ricky Scaggs, Tony Rice and J.D. Crowe. Missing is Jerry Garcia. Give a listen!

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josef

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackDudeDiesFirst

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Soothsayer

November 20th, 2012
7:07 pm

Dang Sooth,if that don’t make ya pat your foot and clap your hands there is something wrong wicha!

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Bro

we know you are the sensitive type so it would probably be you.

Bent over taking care of someone and then whack with the axe LOL

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Bienvenido a América

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Romney Camp Blames Christie for Election Loss

Riiiiight.

Your candidate was NOT the weakest GOP candidate in 80 years.

His cowardly flip flopping and endless pandering to the lunatic fringe did NOT stink on ice to most Americans.

He did NOT stick 47% of both feet in his mouth at least weekly.

He did NOT select another Palinesque VP running mate.

No sirree, Bob.

It was Governor Christie’s fault that he got steamrolled.

LOL at the Party of No Personal Responsibility!

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/christie-romney-election-obama/2012/11/20/id/464873

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I’ll take 10,000 immigrants to 1 Racist con.

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“Christie allowed Obama to be president, not a politician,” one of them told The New York Times”

JamVet: imagine that, a president actually acting….presidential. Haven’t seen that in a long time, have we? Of course, Grover said all they needed in the WH was somebody with a pen to sign legislation anyway, so I guess Obama acting presidential really threw a wrench in the plans.

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“I was reading earlier that the final popular vote tally, once everything is finalized, is projected to have Romney finishing at 47% of the popular vote”

How ironic would that be?? I LOVE it!!

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Some great links…thanks…

47%? Heh, heh…that’s almost as good as a lesbian elected from Ryan’s homestate…

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Dang, I’m sorry I brought up my daughter’s stories. And my choice of sentences following one another was unfortunate. I did not mean to say that my daughter witnessed food stamps being used fraudulently. Her stories concerned food stamp recipients using food stamps to buy food and then use cash to buy cigarettes and alcohol and other items, which as far as I know is perfectly legal (although I don’t consider it right). The story about the Atlanta store proprietor fraudulently redeeming food stamps is from the AJC. But if my daughter had witnessed fraud, if she was even trained to spot fraud, she never mentioned it.

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josef: after all that surgery, she does kinda have that alien look…like the characters in that 80’s series ‘V’…they could just peel the face off and let the reptile out!! I would love to see the video for that one- I’m surprised Joan didn’t get herself locked up for sure!

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RF

She said her surgeon told her one more face lift and she’d be sporting a goatee….

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyIt3atHEjQ&feature=related

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So Rand Paul addressed the incoming republicans in Congress and told them they just had to hold the line on tax increases. Me thinks the Thunderbird is headed off the cliff ala Thelma and Louise come Dec. 31st…

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Well it seems even Abraham Lincoln had some trouble with the ladies…

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/lincoln-mary-owens-m-just-not-002941697.html

“…when I beheld her, I could not for my life avoid thinking of my mother ; and this, not from withered features, for her skin was too full of fat to permit of its contracting into wrinkles, but from her want of teeth, weather-beaten appearance in general, and from a kind of notion that ran in my head that nothing could have commenced at the size of infancy and reached her present bulk in less than thirty-five or forty years ; and, in short, I was not at all pleased with her.”

Seems even the great Lincoln was guilty of looking for the pretty dames.

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RF

Oh, not the ladies…you don’t know the half of it…just ask Brosephus…

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“Oh, not the ladies…you don’t know the half of it”

I’ve read some of it….it’s just hard to think of Lincoln that way…I suppose he might have been a bit more attractive as a younger man. That would just chap some arses in the conservative rank and file, what with a monument in DC and all…

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RF
I’m at work now on researching and connecting the gay dots in the Washington of 1860…and lemme tell ya, what’s coming out is something else again…!

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“Frankly, I’d be relieved if he was looking at what you think.”

LOLOL!!! I think my dad was hopeful when he found his “stash” had been rifled through….but alas, all he ever heard me talk about was the articles. Poor guy, he did try!

Back when I taught drama, I had a group of kids who wanted to do some Tennessee Williams and they chose Cat…they did it well and the administration backed us on presenting it. I was impressed by how the kids handled it without getting all wigged out about the homosexual references. I worked as a research assistant with a venerable professor at GSU who was doing a book on Williams and had a chance to really dig into some research on him.

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TBS: it is not the being conservative that alarms me, it is the stances on a few particular issues and the rhetoric that goes along it the topics arise.

Oh no worries about that. scout can be a real d##ck — I remember his Trayvon Martin/Georgie Zimmerman posts, his bigotry reached new levels at that time.

But, like we (josef and i) said, he has his moments.

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Bro: College football is more important in the state of Alabama than teaching the basic sciences

If you substitute the words SOUTH for “state of Alabama”, you’ll be more accurate with that statement!

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RF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfQTY_K-_o

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RF

I doubt it will ever see the light of publication!

As for Tennessee Williams, I’ll have to tell you sometime about my night on the town with him…it’s way too complicated to go into here but it has a lot to do with the low down on the high ups and my “invitation” to leave Mississippi by the Governor on the CBS evening news!

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DDR

Whooo…wasn’t that one with Scout quite the, well, Scout unchained… !

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arU4hjP49-w&feature=g-vrec

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“Isn’t Bama due to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated next week?”

When are we not due to be on the SI cover? Hell we were on 60 minutes the other night. We do like our exposure. And other programs hate that we get so much pub. But I think Saban likes that they hate it.

Saban doesn’t sleep. He waits.

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Hi, Josef. I do hope it gets published. Really enjoyed MY MAMA’S WAR.

Sorry I haven’t been on lately; this recovery is going TOO slowly.

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You right popular thar scout.

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“Sorry I haven’t been on lately; this recovery is going TOO slowly.”

Take your time and do it right…fools rush in, as they say. You alone know when you’re ready for the next step.

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betty: Debbie, Isn’t Bama due to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated next week?

The swimsuit edition?

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Scout: ’ve been gone since 5pm and you’re still talking about me? I’m impressed !

You should be………….

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josef: Well, you better be good to me (and DDR). We dedicated our semi annual say something nice to your old tacky ass tonight

Too funny!!

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RF: but you’d think that maybe by now they would have figured out a kid has to be able to pass some college classes to be eligible to play!

In the south — football is king and football players are little princes. And a few little princesses too.

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Rut Roh Repubs……………

CEOs offer Obama support to avoid fiscal cliff
By NBC’s Ali Weinberg
Follow @AliNBCNews

Business executives who met with Barack Obama Wednesday to discuss the fiscal cliff said the president was receptive to their suggestions but said the onus remained on Congress to avoid not going over the cliff.

Xerox CEO Ursula M. Burns said the meeting was “very constructive, very positive” but that the leaders “didn’t get into too many specifics.” She said they would stand by if the president required their public advocacy.

Rut Roh Raggy…………

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getalife,

Kinda like when LSU got numerous lucky breaks in 2007 in order to get into the national title game with 2 losses.

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I have no real problem with this program although I would like to see how the check and balances would actually work for the applicants. That said, when do the holes in our border get fixed? I am tired of talking points from both sides, I would really like to see some action/enforcement…..

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Who would ever have guessed the UGA is three wins away from a National Championship this year.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

I think all those poorly functioning licensing workers should be fired and replaced by, wait for it, charter licensing boards. After all, if they cannot do their jobs better after 40% cuts in funding, they must not know what they are doing. Privatizing the process is the answer, no doubt. Ask any legislator, after all, that’s going to be the answer to education in this state! Dirty pinko union commies must be running the office!

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Good Good Thanksgiving Eve morning!

When will this be playing at the Fox?

http://cheezburger.com/6791748864

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Yep, life is good and there is much to be thankful for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TK34aQwC7Q

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Stands,
That was a good read and I agree that it’s time to put our people back to work, especially on infrastructure. The Howell Mill bridge would be a good start…

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Corbin @ 6.51, it’s utterly bizarre that we don’t just spend the damn money for these things.

just one teeny tiny example: The westernmost portion of GA Route 20 in Gwinnett, can’t be widened because they haven’t been able to get one stupid freaking bridge built over the Hooch.

This isn’t some engineering quandry, it’s just a matter of spending the damn money. People need to work. People need to be able to GET TO work. And we can’t because austerity, or because Paul Ryan, or because some stupid-ass discredited, buried-at-the-goddamn polls ideology.

(not that it makes me irrationally angry or anything.)

But yeah, let’s argue over a sideshow issue like immigration. Like that is going to make a plug nickel’s worth of difference in our economic health. For f-ck’s sake, treat them humanely, give them every opportunity to be legal citizens, and move the f-ck on. Is this even remotely controversial, outside of AM talk radioland?

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Keep braying Stevie Ray. Every time they buy something they pay taxes. They are also a NET gain to this economy of 90 billion dollars every year according to the GAO.

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Central American and Mexican workers have been crossing the border over the last 60+ years. It wasn’t difficult to do. They could pretty much come and go when they pleased. If they wanted to remain in the US, they could either marry a US citizen or find an employer to help them adjust status and become a legal permanent resident.

The law changed in April, 2002. It’s impossible for anyone that entered illegally to adjust status in the US. There is some process whereby you may return to your country of origin and request a hardship pardon, but the pardon is normally denied. The consequence of the denial is that you are prohibited from entering the US lawfully for 10 years.

Nothing is going to change the fact that Mexico shares a border with the US, and that a Mexican laborer in the US can earn in one day what they would earn in one week in Mexico. Let’s not pretend that illegal immigration just started happening in 2004. There are many highly educated and successful American citizens that were born of Mexican immigrants who came here illegally and stayed.

Over the centuries we have received a benefit from cheap labor. It started with the slave ships from Africa. The Chinese came and built the railroads. We imported millions of European immigrants on the trans-oceanic steamships like the Titanic. We tried child labor. Then we looked south of the border. It makes no sense to deny the people that have risked their lives to come here and work a chance to become lawful permanent residents and then citizens.

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