On immigration, U.S. public leading its supposed ‘leaders’
In Georgia alone, more than 10,000 immigrants who were brought to this country illegally as children have applied for a temporary reprieve to protect them from deportation. That’s a significant number, especially when you consider that the program was only announced five months ago.
There are a couple of ways to think about numbers that large.
Those who believe that illegal immigrants are by definition criminals who pose a threat to this nation’s economic security, soveriegnty and even ethnic identity would find 10,000 an ominous number. The same would be true of the 300,000 that have applied so far nationwide. And of course, that 300,000 in turn represent just a small subset of the 12 million or so illegal immigrants now in the country.
But there’s another way to look at it as well. The 10,000 applicants from Georgia — all of them between the ages of 15 and 31 — are people who think of themselves as Americans, who have lived much of their lives in this country and who very much want to be Americans. Most speak excellent English. They are not here, as some stereotypes would have it, to live off the rest of us.
In fact, to even be eligible for the program, these children of illegal immigrants must have graduated from an American high school, have earned a GED or still be in school. And while qualifying under the federal program makes them eligible for a temporary permit to work in this country, it does not make them eligible for government benefits of any kind.
And again, some 10,000 such people have applied in Georgia alone.
I understand that many Americans who take the first point of view about illegal immigrants are unlikely to change their minds. But the question is, where does that perpective lead us? If we take that position as a country, what policy options flow from it? If we insist that those people be treated as criminals, our only options are to try to identify them and deport them by force — all 12 million of them.
As a practical matter, that simply isn’t going to happen. It would be far too expensive, far too time-consuming and far to disruptive to the communities in which those 12 million have made their home. And as a matter of morality, it shouldn’t happen. Because here’s the thing that is acknowledged too seldom in this debate:
The vast majority of those who entered this country illegally in the past 25 years were lured to make lives here under an immigration enforcement regime that was lax not by accident or incompetence, but by design. We did little to enforce our borders, and even less to patrol the workplace, because our leaders made a conscious choice that in a booming economy, we could look the other way and make good use of their labor.
We — as a nation — broke our own laws, out of our own sense of greed. To now turn around and try to boot these people out because they are no longer convenient for us is not the act of a great nation.
And the American people understand that fact. In the wake of the election, a lot of attention has been focused on how poorly Republican candidates did among Latino voters. But the American people as a whole are also eager ready to resolve this question. In exit polling, 65 percent of all voters said that illegal immigrants ought to be given the chance to become citizens. Only 28 percent said they should be deported.
The public, in other words, is far ahead of its supposed leadership on this issue.
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
November 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
josef,
What is the answer to your question?
Nero
November 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
It’s not difficult. 1.) Make it a federal felony to knowingly hire an illegal. Minimum 5 years with 85% sentence served. 2.) Make it a federal felony to falsify documentation for purposes of gaining employment. Automatic 1 year sentence with immediate deportation following sentence served. 3.) Frequent and randomized snap inspections including interviews of suspected employees. 4.) Institute a fine system for guilty individuals as well as corporate entities that is so draconian that it will all but ensure compliance. 5.) Institute a final amnesty program for illegals already here. No citizenship, only permanent resident alien status. They have to pay for and earn citizenship. 6.) Finally institute a seasonal guest worker program with non-permanent residential visas that must be renewed annually. Implement these measures and the problem will fix itself.
deegee
November 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
Another aspect of comprehensive immigration reform is the potential for a mini boom in consumption. The undocumented workers are reticent to spend their disposable income on consumer goods for fear of being deported. They would rather save their money or send it back to their families in their country of origin. Once they get their papers they will be buying their American dream just as every other immigrant wave has done.
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
“You can make fun of me if you want to but I have seen a “wellfare Queen”.”
Did you report her? If she in fact existed and was that obvious, you should have. Those who point it out and then do nothing to stop it are, in my humble opinion, as guilty as the ones doing it.
And just to keep it in perspective, when I was first given custody of my boys (nephews I’ve had since they were toddlers), I qualified for and accepted daycare assistance, medicaid, and a small amount of TANF until I gained permanent custody. As a single parent, even with a good teaching job, I couldn’t afford daycare for two kids on my own. I hated taking the assistance, but it kept us fed and them in good care while I worked, so I did it. I guess, in some folks’ definition, I would qualify as a Welfare Queen as I was receiving assistance while working. The Queen part I would qualify for…but that’s only for certain people who get to know me well…and when DDR lets me borrow the boa…
Alex
November 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
Indigo, while I disagree with you, your comments for the most part have been thoughtful and caused me to reconsider my own position. However, I lose sympathy for your opinions and grow ever more discouraged with the general state of political discourse in our country (especially as it takes place on anonymous internet message boards) when you end them with intentionally inflammatory remarks like “next time think before posting here” or “you can’t really be serious.”
I’m sure other posters are doing the same thing, but yours have stood out since I already disagree with you. I also choose to single you out because your position seeks to further disenfranchise and marginalize those who already have little power or voice.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
5:05 pm
It’s beer o clock y’all. Cheers!!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
5:05 pm
M. Betty — “JHM, I wasn’t shrieking about libs.”
Do tell. So who were you complaining about when you said this?
“Uh oh, now you done did it, Middle! Everyone here knows for a fact that no one ever witnesses any fraud with SNAP because there isn;t any! And if you did hear or see any, it’s a LIE!”
“I don’t know Middle’s daughter – she is most likely a teenager – nothing to do with lib/cons.”
So if she actually *witnessed* welfare fraud and didn’t do anything about it, how come she’s not getting the shrieky treatment like the passage I just quoted? And who, exactly, were you *aiming* that shriek at in the first place?
getalife
November 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
Real Scootter ,
Mississippi queen
if you know what I mean.
josef
November 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
BOTH
Oh, if you’ve only been on for a couple of years, you’ve missed some of mine and Scout’s more spectacular set-tos! I was agreeing, though, with what DDR was saying about him. I fall into that category with him. Now, Wa-do Del? He’d turn me in in a flash…
In relation to that, I cite the case of the leader of the Endek Party in Poland who was brought up for war crimes after liberation. One of the charges brought against him was that he had sponsored some of the most restrictive anti Semitic legislation in Poland prior to the war. In his defense, it was uncovered that he had hidden over a thousand Jews on his estate during the Holocaust. He was acquitted of that particular charge. It’s one of the reasons I am hesitant to damn someone freely and entirely out of hand…
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
5:11 pm
No,I didn’t report her RF.As far as I know she wasn’t doing anything against the law.I must be confused about what a “wellfare queen is.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
scout thinks he is satire.
Be kind to the poor soul.
josef
November 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
getalife
See my 4:09…
**************
Okay, what’s with the Mississippi Queen…am I missing something I ought to be taking umbrage over…?
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
if you know what I mean.
Yes I do getalife!
Logical Dude
November 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
Keep: we have been assured by one of our posters recently that Sqwatch exist.
Was that me?
I met a latent print examiner who examined some of the foot casts. He would confirm in a court of law that a large primate exists that made that print.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
josef
Got you. From a military and police duties and responsibilies, I’m confident that he did is job well and without thought if those being protected agreed with him or not. I have no doubt he did those jobs to the best of his ability.
Now as you put it to DDR, which seemed on a more personal basis, I do have my doubts outside of the examples that she mentioned and of course your personal thoughts on that issue.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
5:16 pm
Paul: my best friend owns his own business and has every car in his household listed as a company vehicle. Gets cheaper insurance and gets to write off all the gas, etc.
I got one better for ya!! I have a friend of mine who owns his own construction company, he’s a white male; yet he puts the company in his wife’s name and gets a credit for the business being a women owned/minority owned enterprise!! he hires an outside contracting company that he KNOWS hires illegals, in order to come in under bid for various projects.
He “hires” as staff, of mostly interns to do the bulk of his paperwork, he’s a member of the Georgia Workforce Investment Community. This is where the employer lets a person come in, (someone on UI benefits), and “shadow” an employee for a few months in order to receive OJT for a new job. Basically, he’s getting free labor. AND the best part is that he goes to church every sunday and votes republican and talks about those “lazy good for nuthin’ UI benefit seekers!!”
getalife: moonbat, I will be marching with you for equal rights.
Leave her alone!! Pimpdaddy!
josef: On Scout…the boy can piss me off big time, but I will find myself coming to his defense any number of times from exactly what you said…he don’t like gay people and thinks we’re all going to hell, but if that preacher up in NC were to have his way and lock us up in camps, Scout would hide me and lay down his life. All in all, I’ll take that personal loyalty over some theoretical one any day of the week…
Yeah, I know right! He really irks me too; but he’s like me and Dusty. We have this love/hate thing going. When I first started blogging, Dusty came to my defense when some cyber stalker called me out of my name — she even got him thrown off the blog.
Once, on the blog around 2 a.m. when it was just me, and about 3 other people; I mentioned that i was almost raped 3x. Since then, I have a fear of being present when there’s more than 2 men in a room, no matter if i know them or not. No matter if one of them is a relative. I have an innate distrust of men after those incidents. Scout was so kind, so understanding and so………unlike SCOUT, that was freaking amazing!!
He gave me solace that a year in therapy never gave me. So I know deep in his cold dark, shriveled up heart, there’s a smidgen of “something” in there.
That’s why I, mostly, give him the benefit of the doubt.
paulo977
November 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
josef “you have no heart and your soul is in jeopardy the way I see it…”
______________________________________________
Well ,well said and to support your earlier post ” Those willing to stake their future as Americans on trust in the system to do the right thing are what America is all about. I have the rare chance to see just what it is we’re getting…and, folks, it is something magnificent…”
Are we really that arrogant to believe that we can exist on this planet, have existed , without the input ,in more ways than one, of all human beings outside our shores?
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
josef
I could be 100% wrong, but “I call them like I see them”, but of course a blog on provides but so much knowledge of any given individual.
moonbat betty
November 20th, 2012
5:20 pm
“So if she actually *witnessed* welfare fraud and didn’t do anything about it, how come she’s not getting the shrieky treatment like the passage I just quoted? And who, exactly, were you *aiming* that shriek at in the first place?”
Middle, please get your daughter on this blog so I can shriek at her!
Thanks
JHM,
I was aiming my shriek at YOU!!!
raaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
Logical Dude, it could have been you. Funny how some are willing to take the purported “expertise” of a single person to “establish a fact” and yet, thousands and thousands of experts on climate change cannot “establish a fact”.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
The Queen part I would qualify for…but that’s only for certain people who get to know me well…and when DDR lets me borrow the boa…
Its actually a “community” boa — josef and I share it and only let the really “super cool kids” borrow it. And then, not that often!!
Logical Dude
November 20th, 2012
5:25 pm
Sheesh people, Middle only said his daughter witnessed some weird stuff.
It could have been that the person only used the benefits for steak and such, and then paid with a wad of cash for other stuff.
it could have been that several people checked out together with multiple cards,moving items from one person’s card to another if that card was out of funds.
It’s not that it is actually illegal (until we get more evidence), but that the system can be taken advantage of.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
betty: Middle, please get your daughter on this blog so I can shriek at her!
Betty — you need Jesus girl!
PS: I see where “Dem Dawgs” are back in the game since they have to play Bama for the SEC Championship. It’s a shame though………..I’ve seen what Bama can do with a pack of wild dogs…………..
Somebody’s gonna have to call the ASPCA when that game is over………………..
Just kidding — I just love to razz you “Dem Dawgs” fans!
josef
November 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
BOTH
The conundrum of the Scouts is that they could easily introduce and support legislation to strip an entire class of its citizenship but when it came down to shipping them off to concentration camps, they would do all within their personal power at the personal level to thwart it…on the other hand, there are many who parrot the anti line, but when the potential victim comes seeking shelter, would close the door…
PAULO
Okay, a funny…I was scrolling down and all I saw at first glance was “josef “you have no heart and your soul is in jeopardy the way I see it…” Before it clicked with me that was what I had said and before the rest of your post came up, my reaction was “what the hell did I do to bring that on, and especially from Paulo!”
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
Scootter: What do you define as a welfare queen then? As I know it, it’s those who have kids on purpose so they can milk the system. Not illegal, and certainly not as prolific as some think. I’ve suspected a few here and there, but then stereotypes can be dangerous…
I’ll tell you a story of what happened to me once. I was in Wal-Mart using my TANF when I had it, and a guy behind me mumbled to his wife something about “he don’t look like he oughta be needing one of them cards…” I put my youngest down into the buggy and turned and said rather curtly, “If you took a minute to ask instead of spouting off, you’d find out that I fought for these two to get them out of a drug infested hell-hole where this one (the youngest) almost died. I’ll do whatever I can to make sure he’s fed and if I’m frankly thankful to live in a country where I can get some short-term help to do it. He deserves a chance to live and thrive, and I am grateful for any help I can get right now. Maybe if you got to know some of the people who get help, you’d find out a lot of them have good reasons to need it and are just as embarrassed as I am at needing it.” His wife apologized and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open as I left. Stereotypes are easy to use, but seldom accurate, you know?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
5:34 pm
M. Betty — “JHM, I was aiming my shriek at YOU!!! raaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!”
Ooh, I likes ‘em cute n’ crazy!
Look, nobody here made the argument that welfare fraud *never* happens. It simply seems that if it were as pervasive as some of our con friends claim, there’d be more first-hand tales of it here, PLUS the tales would make sense (e.g. con sees welfare fraud, con REPORTS welfare fraud).
Frankly, I think that it happens a lot *less* than cons like to imagine it does, but I have no doubt that it *does* happen. And I don’t think it would be very wise to plan and execute some sort of mitigation plan without having a firm handle on the *size* of the issue in the first place.
And, FWIW, the same argument applies to illegosos and taxes, as far as I’m concerned.
I’m out; all be well and drive safely.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
Stereotypes are easy to use, but seldom accurate, you know?
Word!
=================================
I’m about to commit a fraud in a few minutes. I’m going home to “cook”. Ya’ll pray for the people who gotta eat the
slopgreat food I’m about to cook!!!josef
November 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
DDR
A very similar thing here with Scout…ever so often he does or says something that shows his, well, tender and caring side…he’s the one who turned me on to Playing for Change with this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM
RF
As for the boa, as the Good Book says, “many are called, but few are chosen.”
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
Later Gators!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
5:36 pm
RF — ““If you took a minute to ask instead of spouting off, you’d find out that I fought for these two to get them out of a drug infested hell-hole where this one (the youngest) almost died. I’ll do whatever I can to make sure he’s fed and if I’m frankly thankful to live in a country where I can get some short-term help to do it. He deserves a chance to live and thrive, and I am grateful for any help I can get right now. Maybe if you got to know some of the people who get help, you’d find out a lot of them have good reasons to need it and are just as embarrassed as I am at needing it.” His wife apologized and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open as I left. Stereotypes are easy to use, but seldom accurate, you know?”
I’m still headed out, but I had to say this.
You fuggin’ RAWK, RF.
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:37 pm
@Joe: it’s like that drug testing Florida started for welfare applicants. As I recall, it netted less than 2% offenders. It makes for a nice talking point and gets people riled up in an election year, just like mentioning voter fraud. They all know it, but can’t seem to put hard numbers on the table.
JamVet
November 20th, 2012
5:37 pm
Here I am with my immigration form
It’s big enough to keep me warm when a cold wind’s coming
So go where you will as long as you think you can
You’d better watch out, watch out for the man anywhere you’re going
Let me in, irritation man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzE227yE1hk
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:38 pm
@joe: thanks! I get right defensive of my crumb munchers. Something about those sweet faces still melts my heart, and they’re surly teenagers now.
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:40 pm
“Ya’ll pray for the people who gotta eat the slop great food I’m about to cook!!!”
Just run by Publix. It’s worth the price to spare yourself the work sometimes!
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
5:42 pm
“I recall, it netted less than 2% offenders.”
I think that’s pretty close…and as I recall, the general population had a “hit” rate of over 4%
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
josef
Good points. Again you have dialouged with him much longer than I have. You could be correct, but that is not my observation in this case. Too much consistent rhetoric and hyperbole on some of the same issues for me to give that blanket pass.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
5:46 pm
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
Ok RF,I was confused on what a wellfare queen is.I was behind the lady and she used food stamps (or what ever) to buy her food.I only had a few items and payed cash and went out after her.We were parked on the same aisle and I noticed that she was putting her food in the trunk of a brand new Lexus.The first thing I thought was,how can she get food stamps and still buy a new car.Something didn’t seem quite right with that. Oh,and don’t feel bad,I have had to use Gov. help also.
Ronald Reagan
November 20th, 2012
5:47 pm
Is it illegal to be an illegal?
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Scootter: She could have been like me. We went to daycare with a few kids whose grandmother had to take over raising them suddenly. She was a professional and had a nice car, but took the offered assistance for paying for daycare. Like me, it was a matter of keeping the bills paid until she could adjust the budget to having to take the children so suddenly. I don’t doubt there’s fraud out there- I had to report my sister for it once before we managed to get the kids away from that lifestyle. I’ve just learned not to judge too much by what I think I see, and it helps having been on the other side of the table, so to speak.
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Somebody’s gonna have to call the ASPCA when that game is over………………..
PETA’s already planning to launch a protest in Tuscaloosa and Atlanta over the mistreatment of Bulldogs.
JamVet
November 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
Immigration, immigration, bloody immigration, leave me alone
Immigration, immigration, bloody immigration, leave me alone
I see malice in your eyes, contempt in your heart
I see malice in your eyes, contempt in your heart
It’s time to admit that we all are one voice (we all are the same)
Embrace the idea that we are all the same
You need me, more than I need you
You need me, more than I need you
You need me, more than I need you
You need me, more than I need you
People people let’s start together let’s do it right
People people let’s love one another I know we know how
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdsJGfyNeRw
josef
November 20th, 2012
5:59 pm
BOTH
Oh, he gets no blanket pass from ME! Or DDR either for that matter…come in some night when we gang up on him….
SCOOTTER
Just bear in mind, she might well have been shopping for a shut in…I’ve seen that happen, too…and she could have been doing the shopping for her group home or what have you…
******
I’ve told this one here before…I’ve got a bud close to retirement who lost his job…he gets his unemployment and is eligible for $13 a month TANF…he makes sure when he uses the card it’s for filet mignon and what have you! And, yeah, he goes out and gets in his Nazimobile… he enjoys the looks…oh, btw, he has a Romney/Ryan sticker!
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:02 pm
Bro
If winner scores 21 pts or less, I say AL.
If more than that, bets are off and Dawgs have more than a puncher’s chance.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
RF
November 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Obviously I didn’t see a wellfare queen RF.I was confused as usual around here.I do know she didn’t have a bunch of kids wearing Nikes and she wasn’t buying steak and lobster or a Prom dress!
Thanks for the exchange,I learned a lot!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
Real Scooter: I was behind the lady and she used food stamps (or what ever) to buy her food.I only had a few items and payed cash and went out after her.We were parked on the same aisle and I noticed that she was putting her food in the trunk of a brand new Lexus.
Hmmm… Lexus is the number #1 car choice of Welfare Queens.
Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the woman was employed as a household servant and that the car was that of her employer? Or could you tell by looking at her that she owned the brand new car?
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
“And, yeah, he goes out and gets in his Nazimobile… he enjoys the looks…oh, btw, he has a Romney/Ryan sticker!”
I used to threaten to dress really ugly and borrow a couple of kids to drag to the store with me when I used mine and talk really loudly about getting the old lady to pop out another one so we could get some better steaks…
F. Sinkwich
November 20th, 2012
6:05 pm
Go ahead, O’bozo, open the borders. We’re doomed anyway.
RIP USA 1776-2012
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:07 pm
“Thanks for the exchange,I learned a lot!”
I always have some respect, whether I say it or not, for conservatives who will go toe to toe on this blog…it takes some intelligence and some guts, that’s for sure.
Some are just nuts and evidently love to stir things up, but you seem like a reasonable sort!
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
6:07 pm
They BOTH
I’m willing to bet they won’t try to “Black Out” the stadium again.
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:09 pm
“RIP USA 1776-2012″
Well, who knows, if the Mayans were right and we’re interpreting their calendar correctly, it’ll be RIP EARTH in a few weeks, so what’s the gloomy attitude gonna do for ya?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
RF
Well, who knows, if the Mayans were right and we’re interpreting their calendar correctly, it’ll be RIP EARTH in a few weeks, so what’s the gloomy attitude gonna do for ya?
———————————————————————-
That’s why I’m doing Christmas shopping Dec 24th
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
josef
November 20th, 2012
5:59 pm
Now that we have a Prez that gives free stuff I might have to jump on that bandwagon myself.But I will have to stick with my old 92 Chevy pick-up!It’s not as sexy as my tractor but it gets me where I am going.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
josef
I’ve seen a few of the “battles” involving you two. Been in one or two myself with him.
It is not the being conservative that alarms me, it is the stances on a few particular issues and the rhetoric that goes along it the topics arise.
Soothsayer
November 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
Jay, if illegal aliens are outlawed, then only outlaws will have backpack blowers! Think about it?
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
“That’s why I’m doing Christmas shopping Dec 24th ”
Yeah, but if we make it ’til then, you’ll be one cranky shopper in that madhouse. Just do gift cards- simple and they’re everywhere.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the woman was employed as a household servant and that the car was that of her employer? Or could you tell by looking at her that she owned the brand new car?
No,I could’nt tell smartazz!
josef
November 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
RF
Scootter is a closet liberal…
Jokes aside, he’s one of my favorite people here ’bouts…he actually LIKES to be challenged and he’s one of the more open-minded…
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:15 pm
“Now that we have a Prez that gives free stuff I might have to jump on that bandwagon myself”
I checked with UPS, and mine has a delivery date of on or about the day Hell freezes over, but I’m hopeful….
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:15 pm
RF
Yep but then I would have to pay for them LOL
I have a plan to take ALL my money with me, in that way I remind me of a con
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:16 pm
“he actually LIKES to be challenged and he’s one of the more open-minded”
I noticed that. Seems like a pretty fine fella, IMO. Unlike some who wouldn’t let go of the idiotic rhetoric if they were drowning and it was an anvil strapped to their butts.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:16 pm
Bro
No blackouts for sure, but I will take a repeat of the OT victory from that previous year.
GA has to attempt to follow A&Ms plan and pass down field. Tide secondary not as good as last few yrs. D Line usually gets to QB so it is hard to exploit, but it can be done. GA O line being capable might be another story.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:17 pm
josef
Are you saying Scotter is openly mind challenged
Harry Reid
November 20th, 2012
6:17 pm
Deport? They need to be lined up and shot!
mwater22
November 20th, 2012
6:19 pm
From having friends who “owned” contruction companies, don’t kid yourself with the “American” dream so many articles like to portray this group as having. Sure, there are plenty out there who consider themselves Americans and just want a path to becoming legal, but for most, the dream is called a JOB; plain and simple. They don’t care about this country and will pack up and move as soon as the paycheck stops coming. I’m not one of those “Deport them all” people, but there needs to be some way to handle the people already here and STOP the ones who plan on coming tomorrow. Because a person has been here for a long time does not make it right. Some didn’t have a choice, but a free pass is not the answer. The government doesn’t give me a free pass, so they shouldn’t get one either.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
I don’t consider myself a con RF.After coming here I consider myself somewhere in the middle,I would call myself a libracon although I have been called worse here.
josef
November 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
BOTH
Yeah…it’s certain issues he gnaws on like a yard cur with a ham bone and the rhetoric…but, as he not so gently has reminded me, I’ve got mine, too…
SCOOTTER
Stuff, my man, stuff…that’s what it’s all about…
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
Real Scootter
You could call yourself an indecondra
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:22 pm
Mwater
Outside of the provided labor the employer in many cases does not give a damn about those illegals, so what is your point?
It is supply and demand.
josef
November 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
COMMON SENSE
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
“I would call myself a libracon although I have been called worse here”
LOL!! Everyone gets called something ugly if they visit the verandah often enough! I used to be much more of a moderate, and still am in many ways. I don’t drink the crazy left Kool-Aid, but I tell ya, after the nuttiness coming out of the right over the last few years, I’m staying further left of center just praying they’ll go away and quit embarrassing the rest of us. Sheesh!!
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
Are you saying Scotter is openly mind challenged
I don’t know about that Common but I will say that I am verticlely challenged,been short all my life!
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
“You could call yourself an indecondra”
Good one!!
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
josef
We all have them, but none of us are automatically excused because we can point toward another.
The two issues that come to mind, are two pet peeves of mine. so I guess that’s why I’m not has quick to let it go.
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
6:28 pm
They BOTH
The secondary has been our weak point all season. Our saving grace has been that we’re able to stuff the run without bringing both safeties up into the box, or we were able to do that for most of the year. If Georgia beats Bama, it’s gonna take perfect execution of their gameplan to do so. Not too many people have fared well when Bama’s been given a 2nd shot at the crystal ball.
You’re likely to see a lot of historical information brought up too. This is the 20th anniversary of the first SECCG where Bama beat Florida. We went on that year to beat Miami in the Sugar Bowl for the first championship post-Bear Bryant. It seems that it would be fitting to celebrate that win over Miami with a win in Miami.
Soothsayer
November 20th, 2012
6:29 pm
I don’t mind telling you — this “fiscal cliff” thing has really got me worried.
SEX! POLITICS! MONSTERS! FULL MOON! DON’T MISS IT!
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:31 pm
Sooth
Good to see you back, but since I’m not on every day maybe I missed seeing ya.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:32 pm
You could call yourself an indecondra
I like that! But after Bro talking about that Alabama Black Snake I would prefer “one eyed Pithon of love”
josef
November 20th, 2012
6:32 pm
BOTH
Oh, yes…the evil Muslims and the Get Out of Leviticus Free Card are two of mine…
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:34 pm
Bro
I’m and SEC man as well. Don’t know the Bama history like you but have a good idea at since following football in the late 70s.
Bama D and O like is better than GAs. That is the big advantage which is huge. LBs maybe AL a slight edge but not much.
All else is close to even imo.
Well, you guys have better punter and kicker which could be big.
I don’t think GA can whip AL. They can win but not beat down. AL can beat GA down if they get early lead and GA can’t protect QB.
Bama can get to QB without blitzes, GA not so much.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:34 pm
Real Scootter
You hang around long enough you will be called everything else but that here
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:38 pm
Wow
My grammar and typing are always suspect. Using a phone is even worse…..
Soothsayer
November 20th, 2012
6:38 pm
Thanks, Common Sense, I took a little sabbatical.
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
“one eyed Pithon of love”
WHOA, it’s a little early for that kind of conversation on the verandah! Here’s a Robin Williams skit you might get a laugh out of about the designing of “those parts”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvF8ImF0K5s&feature=related
jays Brain
November 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20101193/tax-credits-available-for-illegal-immigrants#.UKW_9dDM10U.facebook
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:41 pm
Sooth
Is that shorthand for I got sick of ALL you crazy people
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:41 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:34 pm
josef is more accurate with the closet libral idea.When I am at my hunting camp and politics come up I have to keep my mouth shut for fear of being tarred and feathered.All of the guys are dead up Repubs and vote that way.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:42 pm
Bro
I might be jumping ahead of myself. I think GA will win but don’t see them dominating Tech like AL will dominate Allbarn.
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
6:44 pm
Real Scootter
Hey!!! There’s only one Brother here from Alabama….. As for you and ol’ one-eye… You’re on your own.
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They BOTH
What can I say??? College football is more important in the state of Alabama than teaching the basic sciences.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
Common
Majority of my friends lean right to some degree. While I don’t initiate as much political talk as I once did, I will jump right in if politics are brought up.
Soothsayer
November 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
Well, no, it’s a little more complicated than that.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
Dang RF,the link only ran for a few secs but I will try it again! That dude can be funny.
josef
November 20th, 2012
6:49 pm
RF
@ 6:40
Thass funny!
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
As for you and ol’ one-eye… You’re on your own.
It’s more like “OLD one-eye nowa days Bro!
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
Scootter: if the link doesn’t work, just go to Youtube and look up Robin Williams reproductive system…it’s hysterical!!
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
RF
That was a great clip from Robin Williams
Bro
How do you know you are the only brother from AL here?
bookman parrot
November 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
mr. jay would not be so thrilled about granting citizenship to illegals if he thought they would substantially vote for candidates he doesn’t want.
i would agree there should be a path to citizenship; but should be in phases that make sense.
i would also say that sovereign nations should be able to control who comes and who doesn’t and how. kinda like millions of people ancestors had to do in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. but in lib world we don’t like rules …
josef
November 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
Scootter
Really…? It ran a little over six mins for me….
And it has been my experience at deer camp, the more firewater consumed, the more liberal they get…
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:54 pm
“I have to keep my mouth shut for fear of being tarred and feathered.All of the guys are dead up Repubs and vote that way”
I’ve got a group of conservative friends and we do a “Dad’s trip” with the sons every year. When they start talking politics, I have to just remind them that I am probably going to piss them off if they get going, so we usually just agree to avoid the conversation.
RF
November 20th, 2012
6:56 pm
“the more firewater consumed, the more liberal they get”
Some good stories involving conservatives and firewater…they get REALLY liberal if you let them. I’m just glad it dulls the memory!!
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
6:59 pm
Real Scootter
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NoCom: How do you know you are the only brother from AL here?
If there were more than one of us here, then one of us would be killed off before the opening credits finish running.