On immigration, U.S. public leading its supposed ‘leaders’
In Georgia alone, more than 10,000 immigrants who were brought to this country illegally as children have applied for a temporary reprieve to protect them from deportation. That’s a significant number, especially when you consider that the program was only announced five months ago.
There are a couple of ways to think about numbers that large.
Those who believe that illegal immigrants are by definition criminals who pose a threat to this nation’s economic security, soveriegnty and even ethnic identity would find 10,000 an ominous number. The same would be true of the 300,000 that have applied so far nationwide. And of course, that 300,000 in turn represent just a small subset of the 12 million or so illegal immigrants now in the country.
But there’s another way to look at it as well. The 10,000 applicants from Georgia — all of them between the ages of 15 and 31 — are people who think of themselves as Americans, who have lived much of their lives in this country and who very much want to be Americans. Most speak excellent English. They are not here, as some stereotypes would have it, to live off the rest of us.
In fact, to even be eligible for the program, these children of illegal immigrants must have graduated from an American high school, have earned a GED or still be in school. And while qualifying under the federal program makes them eligible for a temporary permit to work in this country, it does not make them eligible for government benefits of any kind.
And again, some 10,000 such people have applied in Georgia alone.
I understand that many Americans who take the first point of view about illegal immigrants are unlikely to change their minds. But the question is, where does that perpective lead us? If we take that position as a country, what policy options flow from it? If we insist that those people be treated as criminals, our only options are to try to identify them and deport them by force — all 12 million of them.
As a practical matter, that simply isn’t going to happen. It would be far too expensive, far too time-consuming and far to disruptive to the communities in which those 12 million have made their home. And as a matter of morality, it shouldn’t happen. Because here’s the thing that is acknowledged too seldom in this debate:
The vast majority of those who entered this country illegally in the past 25 years were lured to make lives here under an immigration enforcement regime that was lax not by accident or incompetence, but by design. We did little to enforce our borders, and even less to patrol the workplace, because our leaders made a conscious choice that in a booming economy, we could look the other way and make good use of their labor.
We — as a nation — broke our own laws, out of our own sense of greed. To now turn around and try to boot these people out because they are no longer convenient for us is not the act of a great nation.
And the American people understand that fact. In the wake of the election, a lot of attention has been focused on how poorly Republican candidates did among Latino voters. But the American people as a whole are also eager ready to resolve this question. In exit polling, 65 percent of all voters said that illegal immigrants ought to be given the chance to become citizens. Only 28 percent said they should be deported.
The public, in other words, is far ahead of its supposed leadership on this issue.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
November 20th, 2012
3:51 pm
DDR
He ne ha…
Yep.
GETALIFE
Nope. No birthers. Still, though, do you know why?
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
getalife: We know you cons want to collapse our country so you can break off and form conastan but it is not going to happen
It amazes me that the conned still say the Pledge of Allegiance without being struck down by lightning!
I think I’ll do a new one for them:
I pledge Allegiance to the Party
Of the United Conned Of America
And to Republican Party
To which it stands
One Party; sustained by a vengeful hate filled God,
Divided by political atrophy and loyalty
Undeservedly breathing American Air
With Futility, and Whining For All.
Counting Votes and Taking Names
November 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
…and if income exceeds the threshold, and is primarily in cash…and the taxpayer fails to file a return…then…THEN…is it a crime?
I’m sure there’s only a couple of illegal immigrants that would fall under that category though, right?
indigo
November 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
Brosephus – 3:29
Do people caught jaywalking get deported?
It just may be that breaking some laws is far more serious than breaking some others.
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
I’d bet goog money before the next election, these illegals will be given the right to vote. Anybody want to bet?
I’d hate to take your money away from you. It takes 5 years for a legal resident to be able to apply for citizenship. The only way that someone, who’s illegal now, would be a citizen and able to vote in 4 years is if they put their ass on the line in Afghanistan. Given the 2014 timetable, they would need to enlist now in order to get the combat time necessary to jump the line to citizenship.
Counting Votes and Taking Names
November 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
GOP Pledge:
I pledge allegiance
To Grover Norquist.
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
Nope. No birthers. Still, though, do you know why?
Trick question…
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
3:55 pm
MadMax — “Well if we do it, we can get shut down the border patrol and INS – that would be an immediate spending cut the dems can offer since they see no value in the operation.”
You mean ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)?
I may be a ‘dem,’ but I’m clearly keeping up with things better than you are. Maybe you should spend less time speaking for the “dems” and more time reading a freakin’ newspaper, pal.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
3:56 pm
getalife, I refuse to be your slave.
ooooh Betty……. what have you and getalife been talking about “off line”?
You harlot you!
josef
November 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
REGNARD
Okay, why?
INDIGO
So, you posit that breaking some laws is more/less acceptable than breaking others?
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
Well if we do it, we can get shut down the border patrol and INS
The INS disappeared in 2003. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), on the other hand, won’t disappear as you still have cargo and other goods crossing the border that requires inspection.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
C. Votes — “…and if income exceeds the threshold, and is primarily in cash…and the taxpayer fails to file a return…then…THEN…is it a crime?”
A Federal misdemeanor, IIRC.
I’m not sure if there’s a certain level where it becomes a felony.
Counting Votes and Taking Names
November 20th, 2012
3:58 pm
“People think Mexicans have all kinds of advantages, but part of the reason I think they cross over illegally is because we don’t give them the same opportunities as other countries to immigrate here legally.”
And that’s the problem from the other side of the looking glass. Disparate application of immigration laws that lead to patently unfair and unjust results.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
3:59 pm
Brosephus — “The INS disappeared in 2003. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), on the other hand, won’t disappear as you still have cargo and other goods crossing the border that requires inspection.”
Amazing how the cons are always working with old info, isn’t it? Plenty of them here still gripe about “food stamps” even though they haven’t even existed for about eight years now.
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
3:59 pm
Okay, josef – just to confirm, your question is, “why didn’t the Confederacy have a “native-born” rule for the presidency?”
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
REGNARD
Yep. That’s the question…
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
indigo: Do people caught jaywalking get deported?
It all depends. With the enactment of the “Secure Communities” program and the 287G program, the person caught jaywalking may be set up for deportation hearings if they have a criminal record. I haven’t heard of a case where someone, who’s only offense is something like jaywalking, has been deported, but there is always the first case just waiting to happen. I imagine that if the jaywalker is tatted up with MS-13 tats, they will get deported if they are undocumented.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
4:03 pm
Nope. No birthers. Still, though, do you know why?
Debbie raising her hand doing the annoying Ooohh Ooohh Ooohhh thing that kids do who dont’ really want to be called on, but know how to fake a good game:
josef points to Debbie and says, “Yes DDR?”
Because of Stonewall Jackson?
josef – What?
DDR — Stonewall Jackson!! they called him that ’cause he was always high and that was the reason why you don’t need citizenship cause you’ll probably too high to know if you’re a citizen or not!
DDR smiling – josef hanging his head in shame…….
St Simons - aboriginal
November 20th, 2012
4:04 pm
okayyyy man tell us why, josef & dangerdude
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
4:04 pm
Well, josef, unless you were born after the Confederacy existed…
I guess they didn’t want the president to be an infant…
alex
November 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
Just knew you guys would jump on it, Butt whoppin 3, hope it’s better than Shrek 3,
seriously Debbie you have TOO much free time, back to the fry station….watch the poppin’ grease! Good old AMERICAN air, isn’t that an airline….TOO much
MadMax
November 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
JHM – hey PAL, I’m just a little older than you and keeping up with useless name changes is not a priority with me. By the way, how many millions did we spend to change their name since you are the fountain of current knowledge?
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
Although, I’m willing to be wrong…
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
alex – sorry to be so predictable…
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
alex — “Good old AMERICAN air, isn’t that an airline”
Yes, it’s the one where the seats aren’t bolted down. Fly AA at your own risk.
indigo
November 20th, 2012
4:07 pm
Joe Hussein Mama – 3:39
If you’re caught “driving without your license or on expired tags”, are you subject to being deported?
You need to think before posting here.
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:09 pm
DDR
I’ve always found it intriguing that the birth of the modern gay rights movement was Stonewall!
REGNARD
Nope. It was a tip of the kippah to Judah P…he was born abroad and if the provision were put in the Constitution he would have been ineligible to run if…
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:09 pm
MadMax — “JHM – hey PAL, I’m just a little older than you”
Maybe you are and maybe you aren’t. In any event, I’m pretty sure you’re not qualified in any way to speak for “dems.”
“and keeping up with useless name changes is not a priority with me.”
Reading newspapers clearly isn’t much of a priority for you either. Are there any other behaviors of Sarah Palin’s that you emulate?
“By the way, how many millions did we spend to change their name since you are the fountain of current knowledge?”
Google is your friend.
moonbat betty
November 20th, 2012
4:09 pm
Watch out for getalife Debbie.
He’s a real pimp, that one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeX2WO34D88
Galactus93
November 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
in 1986 we were told that this would never happen again and that once we give Amnesty to the illegals that we could enforce our border and make laws so that illegals could not get jobs. Well now it is 2012 and we have 11 million more illegals and we are told again that we should just given them Amnesty. We have laws for a reason. This should not be about money but Morality. We need to enforce the law. Deport all illegal aliens, secure the border and fine anyone who hires an illegal. That is the law. Why have any laws if we are not going to enforce them What part of illegal do you not understand?
Regnad Kcin
November 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
Dang! I lost it all on final jeopardy…
indigo
November 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
josef – 3:57
Get caught jaywalking and, then, get caught being armed and robbing a bank. That will answer your question.
You are just kidding, right?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:11 pm
indigo — “Joe Hussein Mama – 3:39 If you’re caught “driving without your license or on expired tags”, are you subject to being deported?”
Question: If you’re a foreign national, present in the US and you’re caught without valid documentation allowing you to be here, are you subject to being deported?
Answer: not automatically, no.
“You need to think before posting here.”
You need to be better informed before posting here.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
4:12 pm
alex – don’t hate me ’cause I’m beautiful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtXOVKNazYU
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
4:14 pm
Amazing how the cons are always working with old info, isn’t it? Plenty of them here still gripe about “food stamps” even though they haven’t even existed for about eight years now.
Yep!!!
Paul
November 20th, 2012
4:14 pm
josef
That was a most wonderful post back on the first page, about your perspective from working with the kids and watching them grow and hope. Thank you.
JamVet
November 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
betty, no one has asked you to.
As I noted, the GOP has voluntarily ceded those parts of the country away.
And if they don;t get their act together and soon, it may well be permanently.
Which spells what?
Permanent Electoral College Loss Syndrome…
Reg, that would be a gain of minus 8 seats for the GOPers.
But it is not so much that as it was the crushing defeats of the scummiest of the scummy Tea Party types like West, Walsh, Akin and Mourdoch that was so damn satisfying.
Throw in the repulsive George Macaca Allen getting booted to the curb (again) and it was a great election…
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
Indigo
No, I’m not kidding. If we are going to adopt a sliding scale, and not that I’m opposed to that, who decides who/what goes on which end of the scale? Is an illegal alien really more of a danger to society than a jaywalker? Is a pickpocket less of a danger than an armed robber at the bank?
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:18 pm
PAUL
Well, it’s what keeps me going and does do a lot to put things in perspective…
alex
November 20th, 2012
4:18 pm
Can’t see the video on this computer, anyway hate is not part of this…”when the shark bites …”
“when morality”-here’s to hoping that you’re in it for profit….
Jack ®
November 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
Take an illegal home for supper tonight. Show everyone your heart’s in the right place. The law says a couple can give away $2600.00 as a gift; try that and your heart will feel even better. Don’t be so doggone stingy.
Tundra Dude
November 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
JOSEF
Them thar furriers are everywhere…even sneakin’ into politics:
First Asian-American woman elected to Senate, Mazie Hirono (Hawaii)
“I bring quadruple diversity to the Senate,” Hirono said at a rally earlier in the campaign. “I’m a woman. I’ll be the first Asian woman ever to be elected to the U.S. Senate. I am an immigrant. I am a Buddhist. When I said this at one of my gatherings, they said, ‘Yes, but are you gay?’ and I said, ‘Nobody’s perfect.’”
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
“We have laws for a reason. This should not be about money but Morality. We need to enforce the law”
And therein lies the problem. Congress never allocated the money for enforcement they were SUPPOSED to provide after that amnesty program. And yes, it is about money. Trust me on this, you’re not going to get 12 million or so people to suddenly have an attack of conscience and just up and leave. You want the laws enforced? Be prepared to pay for it.
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
BROSEPHUS
Speaking of Judah P, sorta makes you wonder what would have been the comeuppance of same sex marriage, eh?
middle of the road
November 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
“Why have any laws if we are not going to enforce them What part of illegal do you not understand?”
I KNEW someone would eventually say it.
Why DO we have laws and then not enforce them? Because they sound a lot better when passing them than they do when a woman gets hauled into court for giving her husband a BJ.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
Amazing how the cons are always working with old info, isn’t it? Plenty of them here still gripe about “food stamps” even though they haven’t even existed for about eight years now.
Dang JHM,thanks for that info.I’ve been trying to get my free stuff since the election and have’nt gotten anywhere.I been asking for the wrong thing dammit!!
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
“Don’t be so doggone stingy”
Please leave me out of this
middle of the road
November 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
“and make laws so that illegals could not get jobs. ”
But the business owners (and their cronies in government – see Saxby Chambliss) didn’t WANT the laws enforced! And which is the Party of business owners (hint: look at the letter after Saxby’s name on the ballot).
skipper
November 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
Jay,
I’m in a helluva fix here…………on one hand I think immigration laws should be followed. On another, and this may sound like stereo-typing to some, the quote “illegals” that worked where I am employed out-worked the hell out of anything we had here previously, so your point is taken. They missed less time, learned more quickly, and busted their a$$e$. There is one who came to this country…..he had nothing and knew no English. He started at ***** (can’t name the company….may start blowing my cover) and eventually learned English. He never missed. He worked his way up and was made a shift manager. Four years ago, he was made sales manager at a great retail organization. But, for every great story like this, there are others with the drug trade, gang stuff (yeah, i know all races have gangs.) I do not agree that we should just open our borders to anybody, and I do know that it is easy to judge Arizona and places that border Mexico when you live in a state that does NOT have the same problem, since you have no frickin’ clue what these places have to deal with on a daily basis. However, lots of these cats can do and will do okay……..there has to be some way to get all this straightened out in a way that is fair but not stupid, honest but safe, etc. By the way, the guy above that I mentioned is NOT fictional…..he is one of the best managers I know and has built as much customer loyalty in four years as some do in a lifetime. And he came over because he was hungry…
alex
November 20th, 2012
4:24 pm
PECLS: If I have that can I get my kid into a better college with crappy grades…….something to think about.. BUT, NOT after this election because AMERICA will have NO barriers to higher achievment and education based on race, creed, or gender..That’s why this election is FORWARD….Advancement on achievement, a meritocracy…..YOWZA!
More Twinkies, please.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 20th, 2012
4:24 pm
If you think Obama won the election based on a promise of “free stuff”, sorry but you’re a rube.
TaxPayer
November 20th, 2012
4:24 pm
Well if we do it, we can get shut down the border patrol and INS
Only if you do it right.
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
4:25 pm
josef
middle of the road
November 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
“Plenty of them here still gripe about “food stamps” even though they haven’t even existed for about eight years now.”
Oh, we still have “food stamps”, they just are called SNAP now. And they are still being used fraudulently. My daughter used to work at Kroger as a cashier and would tell stories about it. Then you have the news about people selling them…
moonbat betty
November 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
JamVet,
getalife and his ilk are threatening to seek revenge on me and “my kind” since I have oppressed his kind for centuries.
This “land slide” victory has really gone to the dem’s head.
I’m sure the Chicago Cubs once thought they would be winning all the future World Series as well.
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
SKIPPER
Excellent post. Only when we come to know “those people” do we begin to understand the multi-faceted nature of “the issue.” It’s easy enough to talk about “those people” in the abstract, but when it’s Juan Gonzalez, it’s a different matter…
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
Middle — Only another woman who DOESN’T give one to her husband will enforce that law. No man will ever do it.
josef — what’s the answer to the question!! Is Stonewall Jackson the correct answer?
alex: “when morality”-here’s to hoping that you’re in it for profit….
My job is strictly for profit. I find no joy in what I do. However all of my “public” work that i love doing and wish it paid more , (when I used to do it for money), so that I could’ve done it forever. Now I’m just a volunteer.
Cause when Georgia Power comes knocking on your door asking for their money, you can’t say, “Hey, I give 1375 Hours a year to various charities PLUS I help with Habitat Humanity AND I do taxes for free!!!”. the service guy will just look sadly at you while he turns your lights out.
I wish I could be a josef, or a Paul — someone who does what they LOVE to do because of the sheer joy of it. Instead, I’m a Debbie. Doing it for the money.
PS: Dallas was a freebie!
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
“My daughter used to work at Kroger ”
Are you sure she didn’t work at Whole Foods?
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
“And they are still being used fraudulently.”
Anyone getting caught should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. With that said, can you tell me where there isn’t fraud to some degree or another?
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
“I’ve always found it intriguing that the birth of the modern gay rights movement was Stonewall!”
And who says you can’t learn important stuff from a blog…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
My daughter used to work at
KrogerWhole Foods as a cashier and would tell stories about itHmmm…. so your daughter could tell who was breaking the law….. She must have an amazing record in law enforcement.
Paul
November 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
JamVet
There were what, at least eight Tea Party Republicans who lost their seats? Seems the constituency tried it and did not like the rhetoric applied to the gridlock. Heck, Florida voters even returned Grayson! (Who says money can’t buy happiness?)
But you are correct – they are looking at perpetual electoral college loss syndrome unless they get their act together.
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
“josef — what’s the answer to the question!! Is Stonewall Jackson the correct answer?”
I thought the correct answer was that NO ONE was “native born” to the Confederacy because they were all born in the United States
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
Middle of the Road
“My daughter used to work at Kroger as a cashier and would tell stories about it.”
Just being EOI here but…
The income brought to Kroger by the program paying her salary…did that figure into the stories, too…?
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
skipper: it’s amazing what hunger and lack of opportunity will do to a man. As much as I think we need the social safety net, I sure do get tired of some of the kids who take it for granted. And that applies to kids at all economic levels, not just the poor on assistance.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
“Hmmm…. so your daughter could tell who was breaking the law….. She must have an amazing record in law enforcement. ”
She could just “sense” the law being broke. And let me guess, she never mentioned it to the store management or authorities.
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
“so your daughter could tell who was breaking the law….. She must have an amazing record in law enforcement”
And she was enabling that law breaking by not reporting it to the authorities.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
MOTR — “Oh, we still have “food stamps”, they just are called SNAP now.”
We know. It’s the cons here that don’t seem to know it.
moonbat betty
November 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
Uh oh, now you done did it, Middle!
Everyone here knows for a fact that no one ever witnesses any fraud with SNAP because there isn;t any!
And if you did hear or see any, it’s a LIE!
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
DDR: you’re doing your part though, in more ways than you know. Anyone who volunteers ANY time to a charity is a good person in my book. We all gotta pay the bills and eat. I’ve almost had to leave teachinig a time or two while raising my younguns when the furlough days kicked in. We learned just how far a pound of ground beef can go if you use it right!!
Doggone/GA
November 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
“I sure do get tired of some of the kids who take it for granted.”
And there’s nothing you can do about that. People always end up taking for granted the things that ARE as they are growing up.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
Where is Thulsa? I’m sure he just recently saw someone with an EBT card in the checkout line at Walmart or Kroger?
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
DDR
@ 4:09
DOGGONE
Not really or that would have been applicable in the US Constitution as well…
K’CHAK
It might have been hard to tell with all them in prom burkas….
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
Are you sure she didn’t work at Whole Foods?
Go DG Go! You’re on a roll today!
=====================
josef: Only when we come to know “those people” do we begin to understand the multi-faceted nature of “the issue
so true. I think Scout is a good example of this theory.
All in all I think scout is a knuckle dragging bigot. However, there are a few people of the opposite color that he’d glady give his life for. That’s because he knows these people personally, and knows their personalities in and out (or knew them in the war).
Anyone else though, could probably go to hell as far as he’s concerned. IMO.
skipper
November 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
@josef,
Thanks……I am an independant/moderate, but man, after I got to know ***** (not putting his name) and his struggles, and watch his success and sincerety (as well as knowing that his journey is for real….this ain’t no made-up tale) I damn near went to war with myself. We cannot just “drop-the-gates” and let everybody rush over, and I am not a proponent of that. But (Vidalia onion-harvest, for example) we now know the work ethic, and with work-ethic comes some good. Again, I sympathize with Arizona and places that have an undue burden placed on them that it is easy for outsiders (who do not have to deal with it) to judge. But there has to be a way to fix the present situation, address the future, and move on……..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
Oh just stop it…. I am sure she reported it to Kroger management. They are just making too much money from the fraud, so they are passive participants in this criminal enterprise. However, the rule is that you NEVER direct your anger against corporate CEO’s and management who benefit from all this “government fraud”…. you just go after the little people, or you cut the enforcement budget in the program
Brosephus™
November 20th, 2012
4:39 pm
I wish I could be a josef, or a Paul — someone who does what they LOVE to do because of the sheer joy of it. Instead, I’m a Debbie. Doing it for the money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNQW-63OuE4
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:42 pm
RF (and You, too, DDR, you can appreciate this)
I get tickled when folks go off on the free and reduced lunch thingie…part of my job is processing the lunch applications (required of any and all registrants). A lot of those folks talking about the lazy, good for nothing school employees would be shocked to know how many of them qualify…
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
Brosephus: I actually was thinking of a little Donna Summer as I thought about DDR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7MbG6MiQs
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
As a public service, since all these good citizens witness so much SNAP fraud, here is the link to how you, good citizen that you are being all concerned and such, can report it: http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/fraud/fraud_4.htm. Or call 800.869.1150 in Georgia. With your help, why think how much you personally can cut the deficit and show “these people” to their jail cells.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
Thanks RF!
Thanks josef!
Betty — getalife is a pimp!! Man! you learn LOTS of stuff on a blog!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
M. Betty — “Everyone here knows for a fact that no one ever witnesses any fraud with SNAP because there isn;t any!”
“And if you did hear or see any, it’s a LIE!”
If Middle’s daughter witnessed it and didn’t report it, then she’s helping it to happen.
Maybe ICE should have a conversation with *her.*
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
josef: and a lot of them now qualify for Peachcare for their kids. I wish I had had that option when mine were little and I took the paycut to go to the country. I know some parapros at my school who work harder than a lot of the teachers and get paid diddly-squat for it.
Paul
November 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
“Everyone here knows for a fact that no one ever witnesses any fraud with SNAP because there isn;t any!”
Have a neighborhood big chain grocery store. Saw a woman unsling one of those big binders containing checks and write out a check for a large cart of groceries. I know the cashier – asked her ‘was that a business check? ” She said ‘yup, does all her family shopping here, pays for it every time with a check from their business.”
Then just last week I was in the lounge at a car wash and the guy next to me said on his cell phone “you know, finding where to hide the money is one of the great challenges of owning your own business.”
So I’m kinda tired of hearing about “what part of illegal don’t you understand” and “we all know the SNAP program is full of fraud” and all the rest when we have a party making mantras out of that who are telling us all how small businesses are overtaxed and just average, honest, hardworking Amuricans who are all the best this country has to show.
blech -
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
Keep: funny how many “know” they see it happen, but won’t bother to report it. It’s like Reagan’s mythical Welfare Queens. Everybody swore they had seen one, but… kinda like Bigfoot, I guess.
DebbieDoRight - “When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
November 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Bro — The O’jays!! That’s one of the most recognizable and baddest hooks out there! Thanks!
moonbat betty
November 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
JHM, RF,
It easily happens because people don’t care.
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
Paul: my best friend owns his own business and has every car in his household listed as a company vehicle. Gets cheaper insurance and gets to write off all the gas, etc. they buy on the company credit card. It’s an allowable tax game business owners pay that is actually legal. But let’s don’t let them moochers come here and do an honest day’s work for an honest day’s pay….NOOOOO, can’t have that, unless they’re working for me and I benefit from paying them a small sum in cash every day.
josef
November 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
“I wish I could be a josef, or a Paul — someone who does what they LOVE to do because of the sheer joy of it. Instead, I’m a Debbie. Doing it for the money.”
Well, let me give the credit where it belongs. When Unmentionable was getting established I put in my time in the real world in the corporate sphere, hating what I did, but bringing home the bulk of the shekels. When he was established he came to me and said that it was now my turn to do what I wanted to. Well, I have been and I owe it to him for that opportunity…
DDR
On Scout…the boy can piss me off big time, but I will find myself coming to his defense any number of times from exactly what you said…he don’t like gay people and thinks we’re all going to hell, but if that preacher up in NC were to have his way and lock us up in camps, Scout would hide me and lay down his life. All in all, I’ll take that personal loyalty over some theoretical one any day of the week…
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
M. Betty — “JHM, RF, It easily happens because people don’t care.”
Looks to me like it happened in this case because Middle’s daughter didn’t care. Maybe instead of shrieking about libs, you could instead berate Middle’s daughter about ‘the one that got away.’
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
Betty: if they don’t care, then they need to quit griping about it. It’s like the pee testing for welfare applicants in Florida. Lotta hoopla that hasn’t turned out to be the big deal they thought it was. “I know it happens” just isn’t good enough, period.
getalife
November 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
moonbat,
I will be marching with you for equal rights.
Free the white people.
indigo
November 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Joe – 4:11
You answered a question I did not ask.
I think you need to go and lie down.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
RF, oh we have been assured by one of our posters recently that Sqwatch exist.
Real Scootter
November 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
RF
November 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
You can make fun of me if you want to but I have seen a “wellfare Queen”.No bigfoot though.
Tundra Dude
November 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
Oh, we still have “food stamps”, they just are called SNAP now
It’s not that great. Wanted to pig out at the crableg buffet at the casino (only $34 with my “frequent flyer” card)
They refused to take it…..told ‘em to just stick their crablegs…..so unfair…havin’ to spend my own $$.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
indigo — “Joe – 4:11 You answered a question I did not ask.”
If you don’t like my reply, then restate your question. If you don’t want to do that, then make your peace with my reply.
“I think you need to go and lie down.”
Your request is denied. Do you have any other requests or demands I can refuse for you this afternoon?
Paul
November 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
RF
It’s politically impossible, but if there was a large-scale audit of small businesses, I wouldn’t be surprised if we found a scale of fraud and deception that would have some wondering if we’d turned into Greece.
DDR
That was a nice thought, thanks. I will say, though, that given the circumstances of where I am and how I arrived here, I am grateful every day in recognition of the forces and circumstances, many not of my own doing, that make is possible for me to be here and do what I do. It’s a real dousing of cold water humility every day that I gladly embrace.
moonbat betty
November 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
JHM, I wasn’t shrieking about libs.
I don’t know Middle’s daughter – she is most likely a teenager – nothing to do with lib/cons.
They BOTH suck
November 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
josef
2nd part of your 4:52 as merit from a personal level (yours). If you are someone that doesn’t have that same type relationship on this blog and read what he has posted, I would have to say that while not totally agreeing with DDR’s take, I do line up much closer to her response than to yours. And I have only been on this blog 2 yrs.