On immigration, U.S. public leading its supposed ‘leaders’

In Georgia alone, more than 10,000 immigrants who were brought to this country illegally as children have applied for a temporary reprieve to protect them from deportation. That’s a significant number, especially when you consider that the program was only announced five months ago.

There are a couple of ways to think about numbers that large.

Those who believe that illegal immigrants are by definition criminals who pose a threat to this nation’s economic security, soveriegnty and even ethnic identity would find 10,000 an ominous number. The same would be true of the 300,000 that have applied so far nationwide. And of course, that 300,000 in turn represent just a small subset of the 12 million or so illegal immigrants now in the country.

But there’s another way to look at it as well. The 10,000 applicants from Georgia — all of them between the ages of 15 and 31 — are people who think of themselves as Americans, who have lived much of their lives in this country and who very much want to be Americans. Most speak excellent English. They are not here, as some stereotypes would have it, to live off the rest of us.

In fact, to even be eligible for the program, these children of illegal immigrants must have graduated from an American high school, have earned a GED or still be in school. And while qualifying under the federal program makes them eligible for a temporary permit to work in this country, it does not make them eligible for government benefits of any kind.

And again, some 10,000 such people have applied in Georgia alone.

I understand that many Americans who take the first point of view about illegal immigrants are unlikely to change their minds. But the question is, where does that perpective lead us? If we take that position as a country, what policy options flow from it? If we insist that those people be treated as criminals, our only options are to try to identify them and deport them by force — all 12 million of them.

As a practical matter, that simply isn’t going to happen. It would be far too expensive, far too time-consuming and far to disruptive to the communities in which those 12 million have made their home. And as a matter of morality, it shouldn’t happen. Because here’s the thing that is acknowledged too seldom in this debate:

The vast majority of those who entered this country illegally in the past 25 years were lured to make lives here under an immigration enforcement regime that was lax not by accident or incompetence, but by design. We did little to enforce our borders, and even less to patrol the workplace, because our leaders made a conscious choice that in a booming economy, we could look the other way and make good use of their labor.

We — as a nation — broke our own laws, out of our own sense of greed.  To now turn around and try to boot these people out because they are no longer convenient for us is not the act of a great nation.

And the American people understand that fact. In the wake of the election, a lot of attention has been focused on how poorly Republican candidates did among Latino voters. But the American people as a whole are also eager ready to resolve this question. In exit polling, 65 percent of all voters said that illegal immigrants ought to be given the chance to become citizens. Only 28 percent said they should be deported.

The public, in other words, is far ahead of its supposed leadership on this issue.

– Jay Bookman

488 comments Add your comment

Mick

November 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

The great ronald reagan delivered amnesty decades ago, why is this so hard today???

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 20th, 2012
1:19 pm

I don’t think there is a failure of leadership rather than a blockade by stupidity and ignorance.

sheepdawg

November 20th, 2012
1:21 pm

ditto laying fault at our state’s overabundance of stupidity and ignorance

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
1:23 pm

“I don’t think there is a failure of leadership rather than a blockade by stupidity and ignorance.”

“Why can’t it be both?”

Mr. Holmes

November 20th, 2012
1:25 pm

The great ronald reagan delivered amnesty decades ago, why is this so hard today???

Because in 1985 very few white folks weren’t concerned about losing their political power to brown folks. Now it keeps a whole lot of ‘em up at night.

Mr. Holmes

November 20th, 2012
1:25 pm

Egh. Weren’t=were

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 20th, 2012
1:27 pm

Kcin, you’re right. It can be both. Bush did try to show some leadership and was shot down by his own party. Obama showed some leadership by implementing by executive order portions of the Dream Act. Politics often involves timing and building. Leadership is not always obvious.

Jay

November 20th, 2012
1:31 pm

Well, we don’t have a breakout of exit polling data for Georgia, but we do on Alabama:

Alabama:
Let them get legal: 61 percent
Deport them: 35 percent

Ennis

November 20th, 2012
1:31 pm

Jay… this is the 1st time that I have agreed with you 100%, whole-heartly, and absolutely. I also think that the government should make it just a little more easy for these people to become citizens. it’s not like they came here crawling across the border with diapers. And because they have been schooled here they already know enuff to become lawful citizens. Maybe I should back-track here abit, schools here are far below appx 17 or 19 other nations.

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
1:32 pm

“Alabama:
Let them get legal: 61 percent
Deport them: 35 percent’

Does this surprise anyone else? Shocks me.

Wonder what the exit data looks like in a deep-blue state?

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
1:36 pm

I admire the illegal kids who are utilizing the free education or the paid
education process but i am more concerned about the folks who are
working and paying taxes and have for years but cannot hope to become
citizens under the current process due to illiteracy and illegality. Just issue
permanent work permits and end this economic slavery.

Rick in Grayson

November 20th, 2012
1:38 pm

Pass a national E-Verify law that mandates all employees must be vetted within one year. Deny jobs to those that are not in the US legally. Why have a legal immigration system when you can enter the US illegally without waiting?

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
1:39 pm

and tear down that screwball fence…

Grasshopper

November 20th, 2012
1:42 pm

Fine, help this crop of illegals out. But make sure they jump through the same hurdles that legal immigrants do.

And fix the d**n borders! Ridiculous that people can swim 25 yards, break laws and get no punishment except having to used as a political tool.

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
1:45 pm

and let the border patrol concentrate on drug shipments…

Doggone/GA

November 20th, 2012
1:46 pm

“And fix the d**n borders”

Never gonna happen. Build a fence, they’ll build a taller ladder. Sink the fence, they’ll tunnel under it. And even if you can completely and totally secure the US/Mexico border how do you propose to protect our ENORMOUS sea borders? All they have to do is boat around the fence.

Paul

November 20th, 2012
1:49 pm

We don’t punish children for the actions of the parents.

When we ask them to do something and they do it, we should not later punish them for it.

There is a moral dimension to all this. An important question is, are those who so vociferously denounce ‘illegals’ have the moral courage to acknowledge our part in this? If they do, will they then temper their vitriol?

If history is any guide, I rather think not.

Erwin's cat

November 20th, 2012
1:50 pm

barking frog – and let the border patrol concentrate on drug shipments…

or better just legalize it already…tax it for revenue, and watch border violence and cartel influence seriously diminish…it would lessen the incarcerated and their cost, and allow that money to be directed to more worthy projects…a lot problems solved with a single piece of legislation

Paul

November 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

Rick in Grayson

” Deny jobs to those that are not in the US legally. Why have a legal immigration system when you can enter the US illegally without waiting?”

Did you read Jay’s piece?

Do Americans have any culpability in this?

So we look the other way so they can get here and work for cheap wages for us, then when the political climate changes we wash our hands and say ‘tough luck’?

No repercussions for the businessmen and government leaders who worked to get the illegals here?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

Ennis

November 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

What about all the Cubans?? speaking of the sea borders. Maybe I’m too young, but I don’t remember all the B/S about all the cubans coming here. look at southern florida. Didn’t the US make some sort of exception for them? We aren’t gonna keep the mexicans and south americans out of this country. Take all the money we are spending getting them out and put it to good use getting them legal. end of story.

TiredOfIt

November 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

“illegal immigrants” is so 1980’s. I am much more concerned about the GOP destroying this country than the “illegals”

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
1:53 pm

Erwin’s cat
How about and let the border patrol concentrate on protecting drug shipments…

Jefferson

November 20th, 2012
1:53 pm

Give em a SSN and a hardy welcome.

josef

November 20th, 2012
1:54 pm

FROG

Yes. A road to citizenship, though, for their kids being granted this temporary stay of execution…

***********************

I may have a perspective here that many of y’all do not. Every day as part of my job, I see these people coming in to do the document chase. The blessing beyond compare is to see that little one I remember from way back when they came in making their first tenuous steps, strangers in a strange land, and now to see them as confident, educated and responsible adults but with that shy, “you probably don’t remember me, but I remember you,” Then, they share with me some personal memory from that time and, “yes! I remember you.” I have permission when asked to write for them a personal letter of recommendation to file with their applications. Of the ones who have come back, and they now number in the hundreds, there is not a one that I would not recommend as the hope of our future.

This move on Obama’s and others’ part will pay off in ways we can only benefit from. Those willing to stake their future as Americans on trust in the system to do the right thing are what America is all about. I have the rare chance to see just what it is we’re getting…and, folks, it is something magnificent…

Aquagirl

November 20th, 2012
1:55 pm

how do you propose to protect our ENORMOUS sea borders?

Magical sea border mermaids. Of course. We get them from the same place we get magical fence-building elves and magical E-verify dwarves.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 20th, 2012
1:56 pm

Golly, I hope this cycle the US public leads on a lot more that just immigration….

Joe Hussein Mama

November 20th, 2012
1:58 pm

Grasshopper — “Ridiculous that people can swim 25 yards, break laws and get no punishment”

What laws are broken in your example?

You’re clearly unaware that being in the US without authorization is a *document offense,* not a crime.

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
1:59 pm

josef
the President can grant amnesty and I think even the Attorney General can
grant a permanent work visa so why all the bs, just do it.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 20th, 2012
2:00 pm

Ennis — “What about all the Cubans . . . Didn’t the US make some sort of exception for them?”

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_foot_dry_foot

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
2:01 pm

Magical sea border mermaids
……………………
The AquaGirls….

Tundra Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

how do you propose to protect our ENORMOUS sea borders?

Keep them well-stocked with sharks……

RB from Gwinnett

November 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

Funny, I don’t think you liberals would think it quite so funny if the 53% stopped obeying the tax laws hoping to get some amnesty down the road now would you? Just throw the whole damn immigration law book out the effing window if we’re just going to friggin’ ignore it. All of it. Stop wasting out time on it and send all the border agents, INS, the whole lot of them to the house.

willydoit?

November 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

Open the gates…tear down all fences!!

We should have a new law…if you can get here…you’re an American!!

williebkind

November 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

I hope they pass laws for democratic voting immigrants only can become citizens. Its only fair, only the liberals believe in fairness and such…..why cant they go up north where all the good paying jobs are? C’mon give them a free bus ride or if you are really liberals first class plane ticket to one of those fair minded union cities.

Erwin's cat

November 20th, 2012
2:03 pm

,i>The AquaGirls…

didn’t they used to sing back up for this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:05 pm

RB

Your moral compass is broken and can’t be fixed…you’re an evil genie who should be put back in your bottle…you have no heart and your soul is in jeopardy the way I see it…you claim to be religious, well what’s that about the sins of the fathers…?

Aquagirl

November 20th, 2012
2:05 pm

The AquaGirls….

Hey, there could be a cushy government job for me in this. SECURE THE BORDERS!!!!!

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
2:05 pm

“Funny, I don’t think you liberals would think it quite so funny if the 53% stopped obeying the tax laws hoping to get some amnesty down the road now would you? Just throw the whole damn immigration law book out the effing window if we’re just going to friggin’ ignore it”
=====================
RB – Sorry you’re not feeling well – hope you feel better soon!

Jefferson

November 20th, 2012
2:06 pm

RB your apathy is pathetic, why the depression ? Seek help, or make a a comedy video

willydoit?

November 20th, 2012
2:06 pm

“how do you propose to protect our ENORMOUS sea borders?

Keep them well-stocked with sharks……”

I’m with you. I have seen the light. There is NO way we will ever stop the illegals from entering the USA.
I say….everyone from this point is welcome.
There are plenty of folks in America willing to help out with the expenses of taking in the rest of the world.
Send us your poor….hell, send us everybody!!

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
2:07 pm

RB from Gwinnett
Just throw the whole damn immigration law book out the effing window if we’re just going to friggin’ ignore it. All of it. Stop wasting out time on it and send all the border agents, INS, the whole lot of them to the house.

willydoit?
Open the gates…tear down all fences!!

We should have a new law…if you can get here…you’re an American!!.
………………………………………………..
Yes. This.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 20th, 2012
2:08 pm

“In exit polling, 65 percent of all voters said that illegal immigrants ought to be given the chance to become citizens. Only 28 percent said they should be deported.”

And that’s “exactly” why a pure democracy is so dangerous and why our founding fathers wisely set up this nation as a “Republic”.

Go ahead ……… allow this 12 million amnesty …….. then the next twelve ………. then the next, etc., etc.

A nation that cannot control its borders will cease to be a nation.

Aquagirl

November 20th, 2012
2:08 pm

Dammit, Hasselrolled again.

Jefferson

November 20th, 2012
2:09 pm

Factory owners don’t care they will hire the cheapest labor they can find, and underpay if they think the employee won’t pitch a fit, then they go vote GOP.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 20th, 2012
2:09 pm

Funny, I don’t think you liberals would think it quite so funny if the 53% stopped obeying the tax laws hoping to get some amnesty down the road now would you

You mean like some sort of amensty for bringing back profits kept overseas? Or perhaps one of the many tax amensty programs that have been implemented.

Ennis

November 20th, 2012
2:09 pm

Joe Hussein Mama @ 2:00 Thanks, I thought that I had read something about that but wasn’t 100% sure. Thanks again for the fast research.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 20th, 2012
2:10 pm

P.S.

I would like to know if those exit polls were “verbal” with people listening to your answer or if they were by “secret ballot”.

Usually makes a big difference.

Tundra Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:10 pm

Never gonna happen. Build a fence, they’ll build a taller ladder.

No ladder needed, on the Eastern part of the Great Wall of Bush, there’s a gap around the Hunt Bros. plantation and another Bush crony has a resort/country club on the border who also has the ” Wall exemption”. (is this a great country, or what??)

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
2:10 pm

josef – it’s possible RB acts that way because he’s in a lot of physical pain…just guessing…

Scooter

November 20th, 2012
2:12 pm

Absolutely, everyone should be given a chance to become U.S. Citizens through a streamlined and user-friendly process. However, I have concerns about people who’ve been here for years and haven’t attempted the current process.

Doggone/GA

November 20th, 2012
2:12 pm

“Keep them well-stocked with sharks……”

Yeah, that’ll stop all those people in boats alright :roll:

hewhoasks

November 20th, 2012
2:13 pm

Consistently screw over “brown folks” and they may have specific political aims that aren’t the same as the rest (but take a closer look: what they want and need could be beneficial for most.) Incorporate them and stop screwing them over (which tend to be a result of incorporating them) and their political needs aren’t likely to be very different.

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
2:13 pm

“I would like to know if those exit polls were “verbal” with people listening to your answer or if they were by “secret ballot”.

Usually makes a big difference.”
===========

Mr Digits – do you have a link to “usually it makes a big difference”? I suspect that is incorrect.

alex

November 20th, 2012
2:14 pm

Thanks Josef..nice work

Jay if you allow the 15 year old to stay and the parents are illegal do they have to return to their native country and leave the child by themselves?

@Mr. Holmes–”brown ” folks, always gotta be race for the simple minded,always gotta be race…..

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:14 pm

REGNARD

That would be making the assumption he has a central nervous system, and I have serious doubts there…

Stevie Ray

November 20th, 2012
2:16 pm

JAY

There is this term that applies when a law (or contractual provision) is not enforced…its called estoppel meaning the overlooker is estopped from enforcement given certain circumstances.

IMO the feds can no longer enforce current immigration law as they have never really enforced it to the degree intended. I think we offer amnesty to all currently here but we must of course vet the criminals and other undesirable types out and send them, as well as all inmates in our prisons who are illegal, back to Mexico asap.

Employers who employ illegals should be responsible for providing means to get subject employees to come forward and sign up..

Really no other feasible option..BUSH offered the most idiotic proposals…send them all back then charge them $5K to return..thats award winning idiocy..

Stevie Ray

November 20th, 2012
2:16 pm

Forgot to mention…before we do anything we have to lock the borders otherwise all for naught..

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
2:17 pm

“REGNARD

That would be making the assumption he has a central nervous system, and I have serious doubts there…”

LOL

Logical Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:17 pm

I’d rather be in a country full of compassion, than a country full of the need to just “get rid” of those it finds “incovenient.”.

Tundra Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:18 pm

Keep them well-stocked with sharks……”

Yeah, that’ll stop all those people in boats alright

You’re not helping ….please suggest a solution ;-)

alex

November 20th, 2012
2:19 pm

magical sea border mermaids-I’m not allowed on THOSE web sites…….

Van Jones

November 20th, 2012
2:19 pm

I think a few births over at Northside are much more expensive than deporting 50 via a Greyhound bus.

Erwin's cat

November 20th, 2012
2:19 pm

You’re not helping ….please suggest a solution

land sharks?

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
2:20 pm

They are already here. They will not be deported. Legalize them now.

Stevie Ray

November 20th, 2012
2:21 pm

Josef,

The problem is the taxpayer expense of these folks…we need to stop the bleeding as they are generally not taxpayers, use public resources, and reproduce knowing kids can be citizens…

Keep those here, invest more to lock the borders,,not completely possible but current breach is laughable..

Tundra Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:22 pm

You’re not helping ….please suggest a solution

land sharks?

LOL!!! BINGO!

Regnad Kcin

November 20th, 2012
2:22 pm

“land sharks?”

“Ahhhhhh – telegram…”

stands for decibels

November 20th, 2012
2:22 pm

we need to stop the bleeding as they are generally not taxpayers

cite please.

cmac

November 20th, 2012
2:23 pm

Your a fool to think there are many, if any, political leaders in this country. They are all driven by opinion polls and who has the most $$ to line their pockets. They are all dreadful.

JamVet

November 20th, 2012
2:24 pm

Hopper, agreed.

It is ALMOST as ridiculous as corrupt American employers who can make mountains of dirty money by breaking laws and get no punishment at all…

Stevie Ray

November 20th, 2012
2:24 pm

Logical Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:17 pm

I don’t disagree but who is going to continue to pay for the enormous expense(s)? The 1% have finite resources and it’s not like illegals pay “fair share” or any share for that matter…they will swell the ranks of those currently paying no taxes..

I agree, let those here stay but use a page from castros book, lets empty our prisons of illegals and add to criminal illegals not in prison (if we can catch them) and air drop them back into Mexico or where ever..

Logical Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:26 pm

For those advocating a “bigger fence” or “securing the border”. . . you are missing where many of the undocumented actually come from.

Legal work permits!

Yes, Many foreign nationals get legal work permits, and those permits expire. Once expired, many of those same foreign nationals stay and keep working. yes, yes, they know that they should return, but the work is good here in the USA. Plus, there are programs that update those permits, however, the lag time has gotten so large that many who should actually be documented become undocumented because of our own workload.

and be sure to thank a Republican for working to reduce the funds that keep these areas staffed to keep people in the country legally.

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:26 pm

STEVIE

Yes. The do pay taxes. And if you know where I can get me a “tax exempt” card to flash at the grocery store, service station, pet license, etc., let me know.

And reproduce knowing their kids can be citizens…yeah, sure…but back to my personal experience, several of those coming in within my own purview are those whose kids are now students…would that our white and black interlopers in the Cherokee nation produced such a product…

Now as far as closing the borders? I’m probably more slam them shut than just about anybody, but those already here under wink-wink? That’s another matter entirely…

Jay

November 20th, 2012
2:26 pm

Jay if you allow the 15 year old to stay and the parents are illegal do they have to return to their native country and leave the child by themselves?

Alex, nothing about this particular program affects the status of parents. So technically the answer would be yes. In practical terms, though, nothing changes.

Doggone/GA

November 20th, 2012
2:27 pm

“You’re not helping ….please suggest a solution”

George Bush already presented one that went nowhere. One of the very few things I agreed with him on. Make it legal to come to this country temporarily to work.

St Simons - aboriginal

November 20th, 2012
2:27 pm

let me strongly warn you of the consequences of a lax immigration policy

really

Logical Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:29 pm

Stevie Ray “it’s not like illegals pay “fair share” or any share for that matter”

There is really a very easy solution to that. If you document them, then they pay taxes. TAXES.
Oh yes, just like any regular American, they’ll work and pay taxes.

This is a reason FOR amnesty.

They BOTH suck

November 20th, 2012
2:31 pm

Stevie

Why no mention of those who employed or still employ illegals? Aren’t they in many cases forgoing SS taxes, workmen’s comp, etc by not hiring US citizens or legal residents?

And what is your proof that they will swell the ranks of those that already do not pay taxes?

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:32 pm

He ne ha…

Another country heard from… :-)

JAY
@ 2:26

That is perhaps the most often expressed fear I hear from “my kids,” and especially those that are now over 18. That’s why I admire so greatly their “faith” in the only country most of them have ever known…

Van Jones

November 20th, 2012
2:33 pm

Yes, let them pay taxes so they can start receiving their earned income credit because their jobs are the ones “Americans can’t or won’t do”. We all know those jobs pay a TON.

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
2:35 pm

St Simons – aboriginal
I like your title and think it much more descriptive than Indian as I am not from
India and will probably never go there. I like the tribal names also but they may
not be anything more than a name assigned by interlopers as in Apache which
is spanish for Raccoon. I hate it that the pygmies in Australia acquired aboriginal
first.

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:39 pm

FROG

The term Indian is perfectly acceptable in this household. Native American is abhorred and “if you want to get technical, Indigenous American…it matters little to me, just quit using the past imperfect tense when referring to me…”

stands for decibels

November 20th, 2012
2:39 pm

Your a fool to think there are many, if any, political leaders in this country. They are all driven by opinion polls and who has the most $$ to line their pockets.

I think a lot more of the latter, than the former, actually.

RF

November 20th, 2012
2:39 pm

“we need to stop the bleeding as they are generally not taxpayers, use public resources, and reproduce knowing kids can be citizens”

How so? They pay sales taxes and rent, which helps the owner pay property taxes, which support schools and local government. They also buy goods which helps the economic engine keep spinning. And many of them work for a payscale the rest of us would consider criminal. If you recall, the farmers were a bit upset about the papers please laws here and in Alabama during the last crop harvesting season. How did that using prisoners program work out? Yeah, that was a bust, wasn’t it?

Bottom line: if they’re here and obeying the laws, why not give them some paperwork to make them legit and let them pay income taxes like the rest of us?

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:40 pm

VAN JONES

Your mouth to G-d’s ears…

DannyX

November 20th, 2012
2:43 pm

Lets rethink this.

How about we give amnesty to all those that came across our borders illegally. The people that risked their lives to work and live in this great country.

Next we deport all the people that signed the secession petitions. We’ll give them 6 months to self deport. If they don’t leave we’ll deport them, round up and ship their butts out on a bus. Then we’ll build a big long electrified fence to keep them out.

Tundra Dude

November 20th, 2012
2:43 pm

Make it legal to come to this country temporarily to work.

Probably good, it went nowhere. Germany tried that with Turkish “guestworkers”,
gave them 3-year permits….for most, or many, turned out to be permanent permits…

getalife

November 20th, 2012
2:44 pm

They will pass immigration reform for the Latino vote.

barking frog

November 20th, 2012
2:44 pm

josef
I firmly believe anyone can self-identify as they wish and having been
mostly imperfect in the past that is o.k. with me too, Most born here
are native Americans so that is pretty non descriptive genealogically.

RF

November 20th, 2012
2:45 pm

josef: I’ve had many of those kids in my classes over the years, and their eagerness to learn not only a new language but the correct way to write it inspires me. They want to go to college, because they appreciate the struggle to pull onself up by the bootstraps. They are, ironically, the truest expression of the conservative “self-made” man in many cases. They truly ask for no handout other than an education and a chance to work for whatever pay they can get until they can earn the right to earn more.

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:46 pm

TUNDRA

And the failure of the Germans to make a path to citizenship for their children has created a serious problem in German society today…

getalife

November 20th, 2012
2:46 pm

My people let the cons run their mouths when they got off the boat then took over New York City.

The cons bowed down to my people.

RF

November 20th, 2012
2:47 pm

“Next we deport all the people that signed the secession petitions. We’ll give them 6 months to self deport.”

They wouldn’t last a week and be crying for the Union to take them back.

stands for decibels

November 20th, 2012
2:48 pm

The term Indian is perfectly acceptable in this household. Native American is abhorred

Just curious–How does “First People” work for yuz guys?

DannyX

November 20th, 2012
2:49 pm

“They wouldn’t last a week and be crying for the Union to take them back.”

Which is why we build the electrified fence. We should probably throw in a few alligators.

They BOTH suck

November 20th, 2012
2:49 pm

Romney said that illegals can just “self deport”.

Wonder how that is working?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 20th, 2012
2:50 pm

josef:

I believe you read “1491″.

“1493″ is out now and just as good. Amazing things he brings out.

josef

November 20th, 2012
2:50 pm

FROG

That’s Unmentionable’s point…”anybody born in the Western Hemisphere is a ‘native American’ for G-d’s sake…

The past imperfect is what he says whenever somebody goes to talking about the Noble Savage. The grammar chosen telling all there is to tell…”The Native Americans used to this that or the other…” As he puts it, “my existence is past imperfect…well, I got news for ya, Pombo, I still AM…”

Stevie Ray

November 20th, 2012
2:51 pm

STANDS

The only ones who pay federal taxes are those who use phony SS#’s in order to get a bona fide paycheck…unfortunately they will never recover what they put in …since a (likely) majority…if high paid are 1099′ed or paid cash…

They of course pay sales taxes and where they own property they pay those taxes…all the above don’t amount to much in the way of paying their way..

So you are right, they do often pay taxes but not remotely paying their way..