Agenda 21: The lunacy infiltrating state leaders

The Stupid is unending…

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It never seems to end, those being led around by money sukking radio fools. Beck is a complete azz clown, try listening to his radio show, I can’t get more than five minutes into it, the sophmoric humor drives me to choose deafening silence, what a dorky schmuck…

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I generalize when commenting about Republicans for good reason–they’re ALL a bunch of fruit cakes. Okay. Maybe there are a few Republicans that are not fruit cakes but if they remain Republicans and toe the party line, then what else could explain their loyalty to lunacy. Money. Power. Hatred. What.

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Off topic perhaps, but funnney…

http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/11/15/mitts-downfall/

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I support Agenda 22.

It involves taking copys of Agenda 21 and attemtping to beat the stupid out of:

Sen. Chip Rogers of Cherokee County

Barry Loudermilk, chairman of the Senate Science and Technology Committee;

Jack Murphy, chairman of the Senate Banking and Financial Institutions Committee;

John Albers, vice chair of the Science and Technology Committee;

Bill Heath, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee;

Butch Miller, chairman of the State and Local Governmental Operations Committee,

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And if you’re a good little citizen and follow the fed.gov food pyrimid and injest the government approved corn syrup and GMO foods……………..maybe famine isn’t necessary to get the same results.
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Progs are sneaky like that.
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Forward Progress!

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1st paragraph says it all..

@ taxPayer :Gross generalization is stupid, individualize and think, try it….. I don’t use Jessie Jackson’s son to stereotype dems, mabye Chicago Dems but NOT Ga. Dems…Tis the season for fruitcake….

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This is another step towards the GOP overreach in GA.

We’ll have a session full of crazy and spending on roads and tax cuts for “job-creators” and more vilification of Atlanta.

Oh joy.

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I welcome Republicans to prove me wrong. Simply standing up to the nonsense from their fellow Republicans on occasion would be a good start.

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jeez, two can play this game. I can just as easily prop up pictures of (say) Adolf and Pol Pot and Boehner and find *something* to thread them together. And I’d be just as much of a moron for doing it.

Chip Rogers and co., these guys, they’re idiots. Embarrassments. They can’t kick off too soon to suit me.

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JAY

75% of your daily posters consider only data, or in this case, exaggerated data that supports their pre-conceived judgement and do nothing more than figure out new ways to condemn anyone who gets in their path of “brilliance”…we shouldn’t be surprised by the uni-dimensional views by the likes of taxpayer..

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stevie ray

Look just trying to be balanced about my listening, at least I do tune in to hear what’s being said. I do believe that close to half the stuff limbaugh puts out there he doesn’t really believe himself but…too many of his audience take him as serious as a tick!
Beck is a whole nother animal, just a clown who has found a nice niche to multiply his wealth. Lawrenc O’donnell has crediblity, he used to work as a senate staffer as did chris “tweety bird” matthews. They are proudly progressive liberals, I do not put them in the same category as rush and beck, who are purely entertainers with a political opinion…

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Does this mean that anyone who supported the charter school amendment is a communist? Is that not the definition of a private/public venture that has an unelected board. This is what happens when ideologues spin policy in an echo chamber. Can we not get back to real issues…….?

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A classic case of “Dumb Mass Hysteria”.

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Let’s see,

women can magically shut down bodily functions,

select teachings based on science come to us straight from the pits of hell…

Puhleeze. And Republicans even put the loonies in charge of committees on science and technology, support the loonies in their races, etc., thus reinforcing the charge that they are all fruit cakes. After all, don’t they vote.

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The DEMS took commentary (GOP suggestions to reform government programs) and converted it to let’s scare granny et al

I’d love for you to show actual specific examples of such exaggerations actually deployed by real-life elected democratic officials, SR.

No obscure, barely-even-aired commercials by fringe left-wing groups (yes, we ALL saw the cheezy wheelchair-over-the-Palisades thing). I’m taking about actual elected officials.

If you can’t, then stop with the phony equivalency arguments already

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Stupid is what stupid does. In Georgia, you get what you vote for.

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JAY

What happened to you logic this morning? Both the right and the left take choice morsels of what the other suggests and turns it into what will sell to their respected sheep…

Perhaps if you picked you head up above the flock from time to time you may actually see that…of course most sheep don’t…afraid of getting fleeced..

You can do better than going into name calling mode..tell me how it is that Glenn Beck giving his dopey audience talking points to support what they want to hear (and purchase) is different than what you do or what the far left lunatic fringe is doing??

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The GOP has already come up with a complex, multi-point plan to prepare for preventing the implementation of Agenda 21.

They are calling the key part of their plan “Preparation H”.

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Mick

I agree with you for the most part and I like to listen to America Left during the day in combination with America Right (or it’s equivalent on Sirius) and when my head doesn’t explode…they are all the same they simply take whatever info provided and spin to their position…

I will have to disagree with you about Lawrence O’Donnell…he’s Peter Wolf who only offers emotionally charged hyperbole to support his preconceived “opinions”….or that of his sponsors..

I lump all of them as entertainers with none of them being more or less credible that the other…

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OMG!!! Agenda 21 HAS BEGUN!!!!

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BYTEME

I’m not sure how you get to false equivalency..both simply use the exact same scare tactics and exaggeration to further their profits…

Electric shock…they still do that you know…it is generally done on both the left and right sides of the brain…just saying.

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Electric shock…they still do that you know…it is generally done on both the left and right sides of the brain…just saying.

Yes, but is that an appropriate punishment for the situation? Or is it a false equivalency to call both situations I describe “punishment”? Or is one considered cruel and inhumane?

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http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

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“The Republican plan is simple…They want you to DIE!”
Prog Hero Allen Grayson.

Not my hero. Don’t know anyone who puts this guy in “hero” category.

On the other hand, he’s wrong as well. They want you to DIE after you vote for their crappy candidate.

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**I lump all of them as entertainers with none of them being more or less credible that the other…**

Simply wrong and that is the problem, beck and limbaugh do not even have a college education much less ever held a gov’t position. Their partisan and over the top looniness is taken seriously by their listeners. Contrary to that, I can always tell when chris matthews goes off the rails, “we are all neocons now” after W’s infamous carrier landing – bullship!!!

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“Hostess Brands says it is going out of business, closing plants that make Twinkies and Wonder Bread and laying off all of its 18,500 workers.

Hostess had warned employees that it would file a motion in U.S. Bankruptcy Court to unwind its business and sell assets if plant operations didn’t return to normal levels by Thursday evening.

The privately held company filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade.”

That will show those dang people who supply jobs how the moocher class can bring them to their knees and get more freebies from Obuma…

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BYTEME

I’m having trouble connecting the punishment thing here….my point is simply that the right-profit/power motivated pundits and the left-money/power motivated pundits are all the same and use all the same tactics…for example: the “lets make them sick and then make them better” ruse…or how about the “we got cars for sale at discounted price”..when you show up they offered only one at that price and it’s sold…

Beck in this example, scares with exaggeration his audience will/or want to believe, DEMS in the example I provided, scares with exaggeration their audiences will/ or want to believe.

Suggesting that Beck is an anomoly that only exists on the right is a difficult arguement to sustain….

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ByteMe – Got ilk?

November 16th, 2012
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Grayson was endorsed by 8th district resident, former Congresswoman Patricia Schroeder (D-CO), who characterized Webster as having “13th-century views” on women’s issues.[32] Former DNC Chair and Vermont governor Howard Dean called Grayson a “healthcare hero.”[33] Grayson received more votes for “progressive hero” from Democracy for America than any other candidate in the country.[34]

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Jay , I blame YOU, this has deterirated to the point of a world crisis; TWINKIES ARE IN TROUBLE, the horror,the horror

Stands, let’s not get into pie’s, now yer talkin’ real trouble, goodness get a grip (on a twinkie)

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Stevie Ray, if you truly are an independent you would have called out Chip Rogers and his gang of crazies instead of immediately defending them by playing the they do it too card.

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Obama is not a socialist foreigner giving away free healthcare.
That would be Jesus.

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stands for decibels

November 16th, 2012
8:08 am
“The Republican plan is simple…They want you to DIE!”

well, you conveniently left out what’s in the ellipses but–what happened to him in the subsequent election, after he’d made that remark on the house floor?

Not this last one, but the one in which he was seeking at the time he uttered that remark?

well? How’d that work out for him? Care to tell us The Rest of The Story?
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He only lost because of Repub prog gerrymandering.
He spent his two years in the wilderness campaigning.
And then?

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According to Grayson’s website, his polling showed that he “won every county, every municipality, every race, every age group, every language group and each gender.”
The mindless isn’t isn’t limited to the repubs …my friend.
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lol

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Forgive corporate income tax for Hostess, after all that’s
what makes or breaks companies

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TH Jr- The Republican health care plan per Grayson is “Don’t get sick, but if you do get sick, die quickly”.

Get it right.

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Notice independent Senators caucus with Democrats in the Senate. People of no political party find the Democrats allow more freedom more voice. You met one conservative you have met them all. Why the need to duplicate Rush with Glenn with Sean and on and in its redundancy is beyond me till I see the money these entertainers are making. They are a cult not far from the South American experience who mixes into their five rungs the buttons that ring the cash register.

1) God
2) Country
3) Heterosexual
4) Bigotry
5) Military and fictional hero worship

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This blatant misuse of public property and payroll (for no doubt every attendee charged a per diem for sitting through this) was prompted by Chip Rogers, himself a bought-and-paid-for schilll for ALEC, which is itself a conspiracy to undermine public institutions like state legislatures and public schools. Seems a tad ironic that Rogers should be inciting alarm about a made-up United Nations conspiracy when he is neck-deep in a real one, but perhaps he is just trying to deflect attention.

The real problem, to me, is that the Republican Party has used this kind of emotional fearmongering as a simplistic adrenaline shot to get their most reactionary voters to the polls. They have encouraged the nasty excesses of Limbaugh and his ilk, they have embraced the religious right’s social extremes in the anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-evolution sense and they have made overtures to the right-wing conspiracy theorists, all in the name of “traditional values”. This has enabled them to draw attention away from the effects of their fiscal policy, which is antithetical to the self-interest of the majority of the people drawn in by the fearmongering. However, they have needed ever stronger material with which to galvanize the fear reflex, and they are now stuck with positions and proponents that are not only rejected by the majority of voters but which make them look like kooks.

With all of this supposed soul-searching following the election, job one for the Republicans is repudiating stuff like this. Publicly and firmly distance themselves from anyone that normal, well-meaning Americans would not tolerate as dinner guests (Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin and the like), support science research and teaching without injecting religion and denounce the wacky conspiracy theories that mask a desperate attempt to find some concrete excuse for the fringe’s hatred of Obama.

This nasty, crazy stuff will never attract any but the most extreme voters, and it is enough to make moderates turn off the party altogether. If party loyalists in Georgia are too shortsighted to understand that, the national folks need to step in and set them straight.

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He only lost

yes, Heywould. He lost. Thanks for acknowledging this.

Now you can run along and go skipping with Stevie in “both sides are equally BAAAAD!” land.

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The CDC has announced …….

The number of Georgians with diabetes continues to rise, jumping 145 percent from 1995 to 2010, according to a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study.

In Georgia, 9.8 percent of residents said they had diabetes in 2010, compared with 4.0 percent in 1995, said Linda Geiss, lead author of the study, released Thursday.

Talk about lunacy……… That is raising premiums for ALL Georgian’s on health care…… But what is the Governor doing about that ?

ZERO that I know of ?

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With all of this supposed soul-searching following the election, job one for the Republicans is repudiating stuff like this. Publicly and firmly distance themselves from anyone that normal, well-meaning Americans would not tolerate as dinner guests (Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin and the like), support science research and teaching without injecting religion and denounce the wacky conspiracy theories that mask a desperate attempt to find some concrete excuse for the fringe’s hatred of Obama.

For realz. Come on, rational republicans. If Erick “Son of Erick” Erickson can do it, so can you.

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DANNYX

You are correct…these guys are completely looney and deserve no voting support…I will try to learn more about these folks but how on earth anyone would use Glenn Beck as the baseline of political beliefs is beyond me…

PENNYPACKER

I see no difference really. A piece of legislation is a negotiating starting point…we all know what is put in rarely resembles what is put out…see sequestration dog of an agreement. Taking the GOP’s suggestions for debate and spinning them into scare tactics to motivate the base or influence similarly leaning media outlets is no different from dopey Beck taking some obscure UN item and spinning it into whatever nonsense he is suggesting……

In both cases, conspiracy theories sell….

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This is the funniest parody column I’ve ever read. David Brooks eat your heart out.

Oh, wait….

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saywhat?

November 16th, 2012
8:22 am
TH Jr- The Republican health care plan per Grayson is “Don’t get sick, but if you do get sick, die quickly”.

Get it right.
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Sorry..my bust.
The republicans also want dirty air and burning rivers.
Maybe that’s in their healthplan too.
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Jay, I have spoken with the legislator from Cherokee County of whom you speak, and I can tell you he is radical in some of his ideas. He is basically a guy who is representing those 50-80 year olds who applaud him for this nonsense. Wait till you see some of the insane legislation he will discuss this January.

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indigo is right we laugh at these clowns that represent us while we are the ones putting them into office. We elect crooks in Georgia over and over which probably tells the world this is not the best place to do business. There must be crooks electing crooks or how does it keep happening? The church stuff must be a shame, or the churches are crooked too. Now we have a mess that only gets bigger.

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“But what is the Governor doing about that ?”

You can’t fix stupid. The government can’t legislate that people eat healthily.

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“Maybe it’s just supply and demand? Used to love twinkies myself but ahven’t had the urge or bought them in decades, capitalism at work here…”

Could this same logic have been used for GM and Chrysler?

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These guys are one short step from playing with their own poop.

You sure they’re not doing that already?

After all, as “bookman parrot” so sagely wrote upthread, “just because it is inprobable in your mind, does not make it totally unpossible.”

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How exactly is Glenn Beck any different from Jay Bookman?
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Bookman isn’t a morman I don’t think.

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Thank God we just made the state a major player in the charter school business, in fact Chip Rogers was a big time proponent of the amendment that just passed.

I can’t wait for the new ‘Conspiracy Charter Highe Sckool’ to open. Also looking forward to ‘Glenn Beck Elamentury’.

(Btw, only one week until the annual War on Christmas conspiracy begins.)

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There’s only one reaction to stuff like this…

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uRlNDK_Z03o/TqwNcqfvgsI/AAAAAAAAANo/Wes3uDQUSwQ/s1600/ImpliedFacepalm.jpg

Y’all voted for them, so Y’all deal with them…

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steve . I know this is a BIG Word for most Republican’s…… that would be EDUCATION !

People love all that crap they eat..until it is almost killing them…….

Then they are ” Born Again “..because they don’t want to die so early in life.

But in the mean time all who take care of themselves suffer the expense.

So tell me are YOU in good shape ? Or one of the over weight 50 % ?

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mick- Their partisan and over the top looniness is taken seriously by their listeners. Contrary to that, I can always tell when chris matthews goes off the rails,

Stewart, Colbert, and Maher say,”What?”

The average Democrat gets their news from Comedy Central and can’t figure out why they’re not credible.

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Ohhh..great debate point..with authoritative tone telling me to shut my piehole…

Don’t expect to be treated kindly when you ignore my repeated requests for specifics. I leave glad-suffering-of-foolishness to others.

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RB from Gwinnett Well you did get one theory correct…….and all know the truth………

Bush invaded Iraq to enrich his big oil buddies…… and Cheney’s buddies in the military complex.

And how did Bush and Cheney pay for all that at taxpayer’s expense ?

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Peter, “Talk about lunacy……… That is raising premiums for ALL Georgian’s on health care…… But what is the Governor doing about that ? ”

Are you saying you want the Governor OUT of people’s bedrooms, but IN their kitchens? Seriously?

BTW, Peter, have you noticed how many people on food stamps are obese? Think about that for a moment……

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“The average Democrat gets their news from Comedy Central and can’t figure out why they’re not credible.”

Actually the Democrats were credible enough to just crush the Republicans in a national election, winning the presidency and picking up seats in the House and Senate.

Democrats were helped by Fox News crazy and delusional God’s will Republicans.

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Should we take it from these nuts that we should never, ever, under any circumstances…plan for the future because there MIGHT be an “agenda” behind that planning?

my take-away is that there’s a part of the population so brainwashed that you can take literally anything with the UN’s imprimatur and scare the crap out of them, for fun and profit.

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Stands, thanks for the link to the slide show. I see you are still getting the false equivalent crazy from Fox boy….

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RB from Gwinnett ……. Yup EDUCATION about food would help……… And did you notice that Georgia Farmers lost 100’s of thousands of dollars as their crops rotted without the help of the Mexican’s picking them ?

Have you noticed fruit and vegetables cost more to buy than processed food..thus the folks on food stamps not educated eating the crap America put’s out ?

How is EDUCATION on healthy eating equating to being in the Bedroom….. Please answer that one for me ?

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Are these people crazy? Or, am I crazy for thinking they are crazy?

Jay, what happened to Chip Rogers yesterday? He’s no longer the majority leader or something like that? Couldn’t have happened to a “nicer guy.” Thanks for some sanity.

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If you ignore the impact Beck’s FOX show had on the 2010 mid-term results, and the absence of that show on the Nov election, you have a tin hat, even if invisible that is blocking reality.

Helping along Beck’s conspiracy theories is that he is often correct. For example, he predicted the middle east outcome, although that is still progressing, while most were rejoycing in their ignorance.

Also a big player in this is, Obama has less than zero credibility with most Conservatives. So he was born in Hawaii. He still grew up a Muslim, but switched to black liberation theology camouflaged under the Christian title. BTW, black leberation theology is about as close to being a Muslim as one can get without actually being one. But, Liberals ignore all of this because the Liberal base is a coalition of special interests which Obama caters to.

In a display of don’t believe what he says but watch what he does, Obama is busy in the UN trying to bypass our Constitution with such things as Law of the Sea Treaty and Small Arms Control.

In summary, with Obama in the WH the wild conspiracy theories don’t appear so far fetched.

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Bring it cons.

Need.Moar.Cra-zeee

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You mean like the mayor of Atlanta saying if the R candidate wins, there will be “water hoses and guard dogs”? Last time I checked, she was a highly respected and elected member of the D party.

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‘He still grew up a Muslim, but switched to black liberation theology camouflaged under the Christian title. ‘

OMFG his DAD was a Muslim!!!! How can anyone with a DAD that was a Muslim be trusted. Dude, you really don’t know that you are a hateful bigot, do you?

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“Bush invaded Iraq to enrich his big oil buddies…… and Cheney’s buddies in the military complex”

Riiiight…keep on believing this garbage too

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If the U.S. government is abolished, who will enforce the policy of its citizens are allowed only two functions, “to create clean energy and to create new human life”? And does the creation of new human life have to be done using clean energy?

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More education for……… RB from Gwinnett

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:17 AM

ASHINGTON – President Bush on Tuesday vetoed a spending measure for health and education programs prized by congressional Democrats. He also signed a big increase in the Pentagon’s non-war budget.

The president’s action was announced on Air Force One as Bush flew to Indiana for a speech expected to criticize the Democratic-led Congress on its budget priorities.
More than any other spending bill, the $606 billion education and health measure defines the differences between Bush and majority Democrats. The House fell three votes short of winning a veto-proof margin as it sent the measure to Bush.

YUP EDUCATION…… is the last idea coming from a Republican !

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“you can take literally anything with the UN’s imprimatur ”

I especially like the post that the UN would “eat” the USA. Someone needs to take a good look at where the bulk of the UN funding comes from and then TRY to think forward to what would happen to the UN if we just stopped all funding.

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How exactly is Glenn Beck any different from Jay Bookman?

Perhaps because Beck has a longstanding, well documented history of making insane, veracity-free claims???

(But you already know this.)

Which leads to this observation:

If one asks a question as witheringly stupid as you just did, how in gawd’s name could you understand the answer?

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With every new month of total Republican control of state government, Georgia slips further down past Alabama and South Carolina. GIve it another year and we will be below Mississippi.

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I can recall having a discussion with a friend and former democrat politician in the 1980’s about one of the reasons I left the democrat party. He told me I was crazy for thinking that the democrat party would attempt to normalize the idea of homosexual marriage. Jay, when you operate from a position of having no fundamental foundation, anything can and will be allowed. Nothing is sacred with the democrat party, thus nothing should be considered far-fetched.

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Once again you all bow at the altar of Obama. If you people trust the UN to not have desires of stripping the US of individual rights then your the fools.
This nation has died and just waiting to get buried and it is the fault of left wing idiots like Bookman and the rest of you who bow to Obama. There is more hate between Americans today then before the civil war and that is YOUR FAULT!

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Well going into two pages and the cons have given some false equivalence and, unbelievable, some apparent support for this absurdity…this is why your party will continue its decline…tick…tick…tick…

BTW: Gov Jindal wants you to stop…

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Obama has less than zero credibility with most Conservatives.

With all seven of them that are left in the Republican Party?

Silly neocons…

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‘Lord Help Us – I know I hate Obama and find few things he stands for acceptable for this Nation under our Constitution.’

No problem, I know lots of other people that share your feelings…However, when you stoop to teh stoopid to justify that hatred you become, IMO, pitiful…

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LHU, “So RB, do you think Rep Rogers et al spending their time on this ‘issue’ is a good use of taxpayer money?”

Oh gee, I don’t know, it’s at least as good as time spent by the President making up BS stories about Youtube videos being the cause of an ambassador’s death, don’t you think?

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“Oh gee, I don’t know, it’s at least as good as time spent by the President making up BS stories about Youtube videos being the cause of an ambassador’s death, don’t you think?”

Another crazy deflection from RB!

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Peter

November 16th, 2012
9:03 am

You notice none of your cohorts or even Jay are backing you up, Peter? Think….

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Ben S.-I don’t think anyone called you out on your slip up yesterday. For weeks you have been regaling us with how much money you have, you own your own company, etc.

Then yesterday you made the statement your employer had rights to your emails. You are just another working stiff like the rest of us. Nothing to be ashamed of……..

hahahhahahahahahahaha, BUSTED.

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It’s unfair to dismiss concerns about allocation of resources without representation. Taxation without representation is one of those things you have to say in pig latin whenever you visit the statue of liberty, okay? Ixnay on the axtay.

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I gather none of you people have jobs?
Most of you are deservedly single, too.
‘Divided States of America’
Keep up the kindness, guys.

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The GOP/CONS have outsourced their brains to Fake news , Rush, Glen etc…

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“I thought the issue of weapons of mass destruction as the excuse was utterly beside the point.”

Well, I guess “oil” can be considered a weapon of mass destruction…after all, global warming is caused by the carbon emmisions of our nasty American habits, all fueled by our consumption of oil.

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Agenda 21? Agenda 21?! BAH! Why isn’t anyone paying attention to the REAL conspiracy around here?!?

Why are we ignoring something that has been a major problem for over 40 years!? Am I the only one to notice this phenomenon? Am I the only one to see its devastating effects?!

People WAKE UP!! Republican men, over the age of 18, brains have started deteriorating at a rapid pace! Ever since LBJ authorized the addition of Chemical X (yeah that’s right, the same chemical compound that created the PowerPuff Girls), into republican leaning states/counties, the republican male’s brains have started to shrink!

This is a call to ARMS people!! This a cry for all of us, man, woman, children, Mexicans, to stand UNITED against this evil Democratic Attack against all that we hold dear!!

They’ll take away our guns! they’ll take away our religion!! They’ll take away our right to freely speak; but when they start taking away republican’s men’s ability to become sane, rational people………….then they have gone too far!!

Everyone Unite Against The Dems and let’s stop their aggressive attack on republican men now before it gets even worse!!

There will be a meeting at Don’s World Of Guns And Paperclips, tomorrow night at 8! Please bring your tinfoil hats, your loaded guns, and all of your reasons why this is Obama’s fault, and we will defeat the enemy!

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” George W. Bush

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‘the republican male’s brains have started to shrink!’

It ain’t just the brains…

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NEW RULE: any state or federal legislator who wants to serve on any state government or federal government SCIENCE COMMITTEE of any kind, must first pass – in a public setting – the High School Science Graduation Competency Exam required by the state he or she represents (all states have some version of that – even Texas).

Or am I asking too much?

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‘I don’t believe Jay Bookman has given us an accurate prortrayal of it. GUARANTEED!!’

Belief? Yes… Facts to back it up? Not so much…

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It makes people feel more important if they’re opposing Stalinism where everyone is going to be shipped to gulags than a left-leaning centrist democrat that want everyone to have health insurance.

Fantasyland ain’t just in Disney.

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THATS what you’re upset about, Jay? The UN resolution is real, they do take people’s land in the manner described, they make “wetlands” claims all over the place to control development, pretty much everything in there is actually happening, so what’s your problem with it? Honestly, I’d never heard of it and I don’t know the connection between it and the things you see happening all the time, but whatever the source, those things are happening.

Question for you, Jay. Do you believe in the concepts behind the UN resolution?

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Let ye Republican[s] that is[are] with sanity be the first to cast said stone. Stand up and be recognized, oh many sane Republicans. Prove Jay correct.

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RB, stop deflecting…

So RB, do you think Rep Rogers et al spending their time on this ‘issue’ is a good use of taxpayer money?

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A democrat will talk to you at the liquor store!

Wow….. no talking in stores to other American’s is the answer ?

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WOW!

Only a week after the election and we have secession petitions and Glen Beck, neither of which have been denounced by our resident cons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOSARRZiC2g

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“People WAKE UP!! Republican men, over the age of 18, brains have started deteriorating at a rapid pace! Ever since LBJ authorized the addition of Chemical X (yeah that’s right, the same chemical compound that created the PowerPuff Girls), into republican leaning states/counties, the republican male’s brains have started to shrink!”

Oh Debbie… That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read! You Democrats are crazy. The cause of Republican Male Brain Deterioration Syndrome is much more complex. Yes Chemical X did contribute to RMBDS but it was hardly the single reason.

You see, back when Bill Clinton was President, Hillary was able to get her hands on Big Government PBS. The Teletubby tv program on PBS was already turning little boys gay with the Purple Teletubby. Hillary used the same UN approved brainwashing scheme to poison our little boys in other ways. Hillary used a Pink Teletubby to subliminally cause brain cells to deteriorate in innocent toddler boys.

The outcome has been devastating, the Democratic boys turned out to be gay. The Republican boys severely brain damaged. We now have gay marriage and Fox News.

RMBDS is a major problem that Chip Rogers will be holding hearings on soon.

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Fine, I’ll attempt to fight fantasy with facts.
82% of the US population IS already urban. There can’t be a mass push to move farmers into cities … we’re already here!
All of those public/private partnerships (at least here in GA) are owned and operated by Republicans. They’re scared of themselves?
The “job” of a representative is to unite and grow the constituency, not divide and conquer it. That would be like, um … those first 2 photographs.

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so they went to a presentation….so what?

what ever they “do” they can only do as much as the electorate will tolerate or abide. This talk that a few politicians will drastically change any landscape against the will of the people is a reach at best…the only mandate they have is to be reelected.

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Who would have ever thought that Obama would kill Anwar al-Awlaki Abdulrahman………a sixteen-year-old American citizen.
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Looking for his Pa.
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I read somewhere where the Obama/Holder Justice Department has BILLED the al-AWLAKI family 4.9 million dollars for the Hell-Fire missle spent on executing the sixteen year old boy.
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The parellels of the three that are pictured in Bookman’s article are……………….creepy.
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There’s some sort of Agenda…going on.

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Cut Chip some slack. Anybody that spent as much time as he did with that cretin D.A. King is lucky they”re not completely brain dead.

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He still grew up a Muslim, but switched to black liberation theology camouflaged under the Christian title.

I’m calling you out, JohnnyReb. Kindly provide evidence of this “black liberation theology” of which you speak, and Obama’s supposed connection to it.

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Stands,

David Walker, the former Comptroller General of the USA, who was appointed by Clinton disagrees that SS is ok. Our current unfunded liabilities are over $100T.

We have a big problem on our budget and pretending we don’t isn’t going to solve it.

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…and J-Reb, I’ll spare you some embarrassment in advance.

If perchance you’re confusing “Liberation Theology” with “Black Liberation”, you’re going to have to throw St. Francis of Assi and a bunch of Catholics in with Obama and his super-scary not-really-Christian-but-Moooslem crew.

so, you know, you can avoid stepping in THAT.

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Well, I’m sorry to see Bookman picking on Chip Rogers again. If it wasn’t for him, we’d all be walking around with chips in our brains that were put there by pinkos wanting to take over our guvmint and turn us into a bunch of librul weenies.

And if you don’t beleive the UN is after us all you got to do is look what happened to this Gen. Petraeus. There he was, the top double-naught spy we had, till the UN turned him into a woman-chasing maniac. Now they’ll put in some pansy that’s liable to get us all killed by the Terrists.

If the UN had their way our troops would all be wearing baby-blue helmets and pink socks and underwear. We’re in danger and I’m awful glad we got a few legislaters willing to listen to the Truth and keep us from being took over by a bunch of Commies and Socialists that want to destroy our Free Innerprize and make us get Gay Married.

Anyhow, I think I’m about as level-headed as anybody in GA and I can see what Bookman is up to. He wants us to laugh at the people that are trying to save us.

Have a good Friday everybody. I’m out here in the cold hauling and lugging and trying to get you ready to swap weird music tonight. And thanks to these good Republican legislaters, you’ll be able to do it in Freedom under a Capitalist system that’s better than anything the UN wants us to do.

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TaxPayer
November 16th, 2012
9:32 am

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” George W. Bush

Truer words…

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It sounds like W is talking about his own party.

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So, he want’s to protect the states rights from federal control if the republic comes apart, Jay, so what? Shouldn’t we all want that? Isn’t that pretty much how all of the worlds dictators control their people?

I realize you all want to laugh off these secession petitions as a bunch of nut cases, but you need to start paying attention to them. People are fed up with the take, take, take nature of your party and the arrogant “brush them off” attitude your peeps are treating them with. They know we’ve reached the point of no return where the takers outnumber the producers and they can’t stop it. The only question is, will they slide down the socialism slope quitely as most of Europe has done, or will they tell King George to go to hell like their ancestors did?

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i think all might benefit from this book mentioned on huffington:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-mcraney/10-reasons-why-you-are-no_b_2140136.html#slide=1765491

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Jay, “See how neatly RB glides from “THERE IS NO SUCH LEGISLATION!!!” to “THAT LEGISLATION IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!!!!!”

Now, now, Jay. Where did I say the legislation didn’t exist? I said you hadn’t provided anything about it, yet you stirred up your sheep with your claims about some whacked out legislation. So, tell us Jay, which part of the resolution do you have an issue with?

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Then do some digging into Obama embracing black liberation theology under Jeramiah Wright for 20 years.

I have. Several times, over the years. I can’t find anything in there that links Obama to anything that is outside the acceptable theology one finds within a mainline Protestant denomination of which he was a part, the United Church of Christ.

You’ve been asked to provide specifics; I suspected you were talking out of your ass, and now I know you were.

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OBVIOUSLY MOST OF THESE REPLIES ARE EITHER FROM SOCIALIST OR MARXIST ACTIVISTS OR EXTREMELY DUMBED UP PEOPLE….I WILL PRAY FOR THEM ALL AND HOPE THEY WAKE UP BEFORE THEY REACH THE GATES OF HEAVEN AND GET TURNED AWAY. HOW DO I QUALIFY TO SAY THIS: I AM AN ALMOST 70 YEAR OLD WOMAN, LOSING MY HOUSE, MY LIFE SAVINGS, MY HEALTH, ETC. ( BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21. AND TOO LAZY TO LOOK UP HOW IT HAS INFILTRATED EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES) FEMA (EPA) UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21 SAYS MY HOUSE IS TOO LOW, HAS COERCED THE PLANNING DEPT. INTO LYING TO POWER COMPANY TO GET THEM TO TURN MY POWER OFF (BLOCKING MY RENTAL INCOME, PREVENTNG ME FROM LIVING IN MY HOME, FORCING ME ON WELFARE AND SOCIAL SERVICES BELIEVES THE LIES OF THE ANTI-AMERICAN TERRORISTS.0 AND, BY THE WAY, IT’S IN ALMOST EVERY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN THE U.S. SO IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU, TOO…..IF YOU DON’T CHECK IT OUT: JUST ASK GOOGLE: “STOP U.N.AGENDA 21″

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Stay the course con kooks.

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Jay:

How about “Twinkies 21″ !!

You get what you wish for !

“IRVING, Texas — The maker of the iconic U.S. snack Twinkies said Friday it is going out of business and laying off all of its 18,500 workers after a national strike crippled its operations.”

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JKL — “The average Democrat gets their news from Comedy Central”

Oh, look. JKL’s speaking for yet another group he’s not a member of. Military servicepeople yesterday, Democrats today. He’ll probably speak for teh G@yz0rz next.

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THis is incredible. I first heard of this nefarious agenda21 yesterday and just finished watching a youtube video that explains it in detail called Agenda 21 takeover. JUst go to youtube and type in agenda 21 explained. I challenge any reasonable sane person to watch this video, not by Glenn Beck but by a woman who has researched this United Nations plot to form 1 world govt. for several months. How long have you researched this Jay? Information is free, please don’t hide your head in the sand. Like the idea of no more land ownership(house)? car? like living in a highrise complex and have to?Like the US losing it’s sovereinty as a nation? Don’t think there are groups who would love to make us all just one big central controlled state(socialist)? I challenge everyone to do their homework. Take Jay’s word for it and prove to be a sheeple. I know many of you will poo-poo this , but just maybe it will reach someone. THink this idea of the redistibution of wealth is all about getting a few fatcats to pony up a little more taxes? Better think again. THere is a bigger agenda!

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dB

Black Liberation Theology lives!!!!!! We’re slowly creepin’ up on you. When we get’cha, we’re changing the national anthem….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LoHdNo4RYE

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So is this like when prominant democrats accuse the U.S. government of creating AIDS in order to kill blacks?

For every bit of right wing lunacy you can point out, I can give you at least a comparable amount of left wing lunacy.

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My biggest fear right now is I am probably related to some of you by marriage and will be in your midst next week. Crazy isn’t contagious, is it?

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Yep, looks like another 18,500 on the UE role for next week.

BTW, after all the bashing ya’ll gave me about the numbers, claiming it was all Sandy related, could you explain how there were larger increases in Penn and Ohio than there were in NJ? Were OH and PA hit that hard or do you all really have no clue as usual and make up crap to defend your President at all costs?

How about that Denny’s franchise owner adding 5% to his customers tab to pay his Obamacare bill? Isn’t that a great idea? His employees all get healthcare and his customers get the satisfaction of helping these poor less fortnate souls. Great idea!!

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‘My biggest fear right now is I am probably related to some of you by marriage and will be in your midst next week. ‘

You have NO idea how funny that is…(meaning spot on).

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RB @ 10:22

How is that different from any business owner who passes on as much cost as possible in efforts to maintain profit margin goals?

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So is this like when prominant democrats accuse the U.S. government of creating AIDS in order to kill blacks?

For every bit of right wing lunacy you can point out, I can give you at least a comparable amount of left wing lunacy.

I don’t recall Democratic legislators enacting legislation in regards to that claim, but go ahead with that false equivalency anyway. You are right about their being crazy on both sides, but I don’t think there is equal responses by the crazy. I don’t remember Cynthia McKinney getting boatloads of crazy legislation introduced in the House. Then again, I don’t pay much attention to crazy anyway.

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RB — “How about that Denny’s franchise owner adding 5% to his customers tab to pay his Obamacare bill? Isn’t that a great idea?”

The even better idea came when he suggested that customers just tip less in order to make up for the 5% surcharge.

So now I know not to eat at Denny’s because some tightfisted, loudmouthed jerkwad franchisee might be in charge there.

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How about that Denny’s franchise owner adding 5% to his customers tab to pay his Obamacare bill? Isn’t that a great idea?

so it’s not really “free” healthcare??….who knew

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RB — “you need to start paying attention”

The irony, it is thick and deep these days.

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stands – if you think what Jeramiah Wright spewed to Obama for 20 years is mainline protestant, you don’t know your butt from a hole in the ground. You are a typcial voter Obama went after. I will refrain from calling you a deserved name as Jay don’t like name calling.

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Then again, I don’t pay much attention to crazy anyway.

same here…..well except in dating

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“Good thing there are no crazies on the left.”

Please do not do that in public.

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J-Reb, what you know of mainline Protestantism outside your own pathetic, inbred world wouldn’t fill a thimble.

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“Good thing there are no crazies on the left.”

Thulsa, I agree that no party has a monopoly on irrationality, but the “Whoo-hoo, space alien, Kenyan/Marxist/ Soacialist, UN troop invasion, CIA monitoring my fillings, tinfoil hat,” bat$hit crazies seem to congregate to the right. I don’t have an explanation, just the observation.

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Meeting again. Back later.

See, he’s off to plan the U.N. takeover! The cons are right! Load your guns and put on your tinfoil tricorn hats!

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Erwin s cat,

You would be surprised the misinformation out there of voters who think obamacare is free. I’ve directly seen 3 people so far who thought they were getting free healthcare. The look on one mans face when I broke it to him was priceless. Lotta people gonna get quite a rude awakening in 2014.

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indigo

November 16th, 2012
8:48 am

“continues …. in other conflicts”
I’m not speaking of continuing in the Soviet Union and Stalin; I’m speaking of current day conflicts.. africa… middle east…. nothing to do with Stalin.

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Mitt just had a good idea: Add dental care to Obamacare. Let’s do it.

gawd, I got a little soundbite of that last night. It speaks volumes that Mitt thinks this might be the craziest, most outlandish sh-t an industrialized nation could provide.

I knew he was probably a flaming a$$hole but didn’t want to assume it… and that’s all I’ll say about that.

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To john Konop

November 16th, 2012
8:40 am

Where did i ever say it is more important than the other issues you listed. You didn’t read… you assumed… i am not saying it is more important, but the why it is even an issue is we do not need foreign entities governing the U.S. the U.S. govt is already more than enough…

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you know, using “inbred” even in this context was probably a bit over the line. Withdrawn. As them Catholics might say, mea culpa.

That said, J-Reb, please educate yourself on the term I used earlier. Here is a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_Protestant

…you’ll find in there, that the TUCC’s denomination is among those listed.

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Reginald,

For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.

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Oh Lord, you just can’t make this stuff up. I proudly wrote in “Mickey Mouse” against Chip Rogers in this election. Truly, a six foot mouse would be better than this guy. What a shame for his party to show how far down they have gone. Or maybe it’s not a shame, maybe this will force them to get rid of their fools and we can get good ideas back into the government again.

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Thulsa Doom if some guy buys your explanation of healthcare I imagine the expression or lack of it on his face was pretty priceless already. You sport got your rude awakening in 2012, maybe you will recover enough to have another one in 2014 when you realize you still don’t know what you are talking about.

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Free dental care? People do love they free shyte they do. My dental plan is $19.99 a month. Come to think of it it really is outrageous that one should have to actually pay for their own dental plan. Mr.

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BOTH, “How is that different from any business owner who passes on as much cost as possible in efforts to maintain profit margin goals?” It’s not, but when you add 5% to the cost of everything the same poor people you’re trying to help purchase, will they better off at the end of the day, or worse off? Do you think the Denny’s owner will be more or less likely to give his employees a raise?

“So now I know not to eat at Denny’s because some tightfisted, loudmouthed jerkwad franchisee might be in charge there.” Apparently, somebody doesn’t care about all these employees and wants them to join the former Hostess employees at the UE office. Sounds like a GREAT plan, doesn’t it!!

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“The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.”

Hey, Scout?

“Unholy denominations.” remember how much fun we had when I started pressing you for specifics on those? to the point where Jay told me I had to stop?

In light of my restraint on that matter, could I ask you just how many times you intend to post your little bit of “gotcha” in here? Because I think I might just go back to asking you to put up or shut up, all over again, if you don’t.

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‘just too many people on porches with banjos inbreeding.’

Wrong, I have in on good authority that Johnny Reb Does NOT have a porch…

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Peter, “Seems these guys had the option of creating a Healthy snack in the factory don’t you think ?”

If you’re not even going to read the news, stay out of the discussion. Do us all a favor and go read WHY they’re closing down before you make any more stupid comments.

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Gt,

So what was my rude awakening in 2012? Unlike you I don’t predicate my success or failure in life on who the hell is potus. I know a helluva lot more about what to expect in 2014 then you do Missy.

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the cat

November 16th, 2012
9:20 am

“Ben S.-I don’t think anyone called you out on your slip up yesterday. For weeks you have been regaling us with how much money you have, you own your own company, etc. ”

“Then yesterday you made the statement your employer had rights to your emails. You are just another working stiff like the rest of us. Nothing to be ashamed of……..”

“hahahhahahahahahahaha, BUSTED.”

Mr/Mrs Cat….

$10,000 to you if you can cite where or when I said I owned my own company.

What I said was that I earn a six figure income. Which I do, employed by a large corporation.

Will bet you another $10,000 I can produce a paystub to document that fact.

Happy hunting.

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Agenda 21

I.Q. 21

Or is that too high?

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banjos are inbreeding?

having little baby banjos?

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Good Fight @ 10:53

I posted my reply to that yesterday. Go find it.

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Stands,

Ahhhh.. I see. So it was the R candidates who were misleading these voters into thinking that they were gonna get something for free and they should therefore be sure to vote d. Who knew?

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“What I said was that I earn a six figure income.”

So do I!

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I am not sure I would use the word “entertainer” to describe Beck, there’s nothing entertaining about the guy. I would have preferred “bloviating buffoon”.

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lefty316

Something came from nothing? Really. Explain please. Even the smartest of philosophers like Aristotle and Plato knew better than to believe life came from nonlife, but I guess you are smarter.

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The right does not even try to be credible any more.

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now I know not to eat at Denny’s because some tightfisted, loudmouthed jerkwad franchisee might be in charge there.

it was just one guy who owned 41 franchises, and if this account can be believed, he’s (sensibly) walking it back now.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/dennys-pancakes-with-a-side-of-obamacare-tax-not-yet/

I do feel sorry for the other franchise owners who had nothing to do with this schmuck, who will either a) see business drop off or b) be forced to explain “that wasn’t me” a hundred times, over the next few days.

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The great thing about liberals is you can pee on them and call it rain. And they believe it. Ask Obama if you doubt it.

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Ben-so sorry I do not save all your posts for future followup! So now you are telling us you are a MARTA driver making 6 figures. You really need to keep your stories straight.

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GT, “sport”, jamvet,”sport”——the “sporting” liberal(s), Hmmmm…..

@ getalife: if the republican party kills itself with primary-induced far right wing idealogues in 2014 you will be correct and have nothing to complain about, but if they learn from this election..you will still be looking for a life, here’s to the search….

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Good news for severe asthmatics, thought, Jay Bookman has a cheap alternative to the very expensive Xolair they take. Any day now, Jay’s going to let us all in on what that is, cause surely if Jay claims there is one, there must be!!!

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This is what happens when you elect people based on their party affiliation. There are idiots on all sides of the political spectrum. You should never vote for someone based on whether he or she is a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever. In Georgia, having an R beside your name on the ballot virtually guarantees that you will be elected in many districts. The result is that morons like these get elected as long as they can spout vitriol against the African American Yankee in the White House. There were several Republicans who were totally unopposed on the ballot this year. Even complete lunatics who belong in a mental hospital (see article above for specific names) can be elected if nobody runs against them.

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Repubs – here’s one you can work with. Voter id cards are the mark of the beast. Discuss.

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I would not ask him about talking points, I would ask him if they got them yet.

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Jay missed the point. Lunacy it’s not. Revelation it is. Four more years has exposed the infrastructure of the Tea Party, and those tentacles reach DEEP into our legislature and campaign apparatus. Unelected allocation of resources is a major threat to freedom. The Tea Party fears the logical consequence of any poll-free allocation of resources by the regional authorities collectively known as Agency 21: It’s no longer who you know. It’s no longer what you know. It’s now who knows what about you. The compromise is this: let Georgia secede and Georgians get recreational pot. We’ll vote for their bill, they’ll for vote ours, and the devil take the hindmost. Wouldn’t wanna be the guy pinning the tail on THAT donkey. (Insert emoticon of a patoot here).

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Simply amazing that so many of you are for bigger govt. and more govt. control of our lives.More UN control of our sovereign rights. The US as was formed by our framers is quickly evolving into socialism, something they never envisioned and dedicated their lives against. They were for the rights of individuals and not the common good of the state or central govt. The govt was for the people and of the people, but that’s what we get when our kids are no longer taught the true history of our great nation. Instead they are beginning to be taught “sustainable development”,ie,for the greater good of the people(govt.)When our great nation morphs into something you can’t even imagine, be sure to tell your grandkids, you backed it. Take ownership.

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rb,

20 intell reports blamed the movie.

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Jay?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
10:45 am: “Regarding my 10:41 above, General Petreaus was OBVIOUSLY all wet because our crack senior intelligence expert Jay Bookman stated right after the incident:

“The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/17/on-benghazi-the-debate-and-acts-of-terror/

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Thulsa Doom lot of shock going on in your world, but I must admit you buying a dental plan is a bit of a shock to me. Rather like a bald man buying a comb isn’t it?

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the cat, “RB-have you discussed this with your doctor? I don’t think Jay is an MD. Maybe you just want to whine about it though so have at it.”

You can discuss it with the best pulmonologists on the planet all you want to, moron, and every last one of them will tell you there is no low cost alternative to Xolair, but Jay Bookman says there is. He just refuses to tell us what that is.

And just for giggles, cat, go look up the UK’s decision to drop Xolair from their approved list because their “death panels” have determined it’s too expensive. Which is exactly what’s going to happen here even though you liberals pushed this plan on us claiming it was to protect these very same people.

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Stands,

Actually the Obama plan would have put millions on medicaid which essentially is free health care. Fred Roberts threw a monkey wrench in that.

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need info : can you freeze twinkies for later??

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Life begins at conception and ends at natural death. What about other types of death?

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oh well. looks like the administration was definitely in spin mode.

“Petraeus told lawmakers the CIA believed it to be a terrorist attack from the beginning.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83966.html#ixzz2CP3×7djY

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Actually the Obama plan would have put millions on medicaid which essentially is free health care.

and that’s a good thing. However, are you now claiming that these three people were calling you asking for *medicaid* coverage?

if so, ya know… some folks is just dumb.

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RB-I did some very cursory googling on Xolair. It appears there are severe side effects leading to its removal from the market.

GT-post of the day!!!

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OMG…..only doomsday preppers will have twinkies…. the horror, the horror.

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Erwin’s cat, 10:40 am

“Mary Elizabeth – our conspiracy theorists are better than you conspiracy theorists”
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Erwin’s cat, this is not a matter of a competition between “conspiracies.” This is a matter of understanding truth. This is serious business that effects all of our lives in impacting ways.
Please do not close your eyes to truth. Be informed and be educated.

Knowledge is power. Public television does not broadcast conspiracy theories; it educates. We must not fear education in Georgia, and we must not be afraid to think for ourselves, beyond surface givens.

Again, I encourage you, and all readers, to watch “Independent Lens: Park Avenue, Money, Power and the American Dream,” which will air tomorrow at Noon on GPB-Knowledge TV. That channel is 246 on Comcast and it is free to Comcast subscribers. This program will also air on the 29th of November on that channel at 9 am, 3 pm, and 8 pm.

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monty – Even the smartest of philosophers like Aristotle and Plato knew better than to believe life came from nonlife, but I guess you are smarter.

Have you ever read Plato?

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Erwin’s cat, this is not a matter of a competition between “conspiracies.”

ME, you’re no fun.

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rb will swallow any lie and lives in a bubble.

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well, with people in georgia like paul broun sitting on science legislative committees; why not use the national guard to keep folks out of the forbidden zones( used to be known as: GT, GSU, UGA, EMORY , etc.) because these zones are inhabited by heretics,the ghosts of old demons( Darwin, Einstein, Newton, and Tesla), and haunted by sirens, whose music seduces those who listen, into a life of never ending learning .

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I see my Delphi mind control technique has been very effective.

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Keep Up… .. you don’t Twinkie? You don’t google?
You’re just plain weird…

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godless heathen – Support Small Business Saturday

Love your new suffix…

I too support small business Saturday.

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guy — alex; well said

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Find something more positive to do with the time left.

Yes……. like paying for the toll roads the Republican’s have lied about !

Or visiting the new Georgia lands the Republican governors have over paid for.

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kamchack — all this does seem like the myth of the cave

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Simply amazing that so many of you are for bigger govt. and more govt. control of our lives.More UN control of our sovereign rights.

Bigger government is a Republican idea…..but one they deny !

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Is the Delphi mind control technique more or less powerful than the Jedi Mind Trick? Would either work on a Vulcan?

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OK.OK, I’m carbo loading…..

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

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all this does seem like the myth of the cave

early Friday night music submission-time:

When I made a shadow on my window shade
They called the police and testified
But they’re like the people chained up in the cave
In the allegory of the people in the cave by the Greek guy

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Love your new suffix…

get a room you two.

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Okay, Jay is not at fault when his pieces always play the crazy card. I don’t think he gets to pick his topic, nor his own attitude about it. His pieces are constructed by tonal compromises that sacrifice content for style. Beck himself mostly runs Obama sound bites and then makes monkey sounds and faces as Obama speaks. He sez “REALLY!?” Every. Other. Word. They all do. He thinks it’s entertaining. Ten years ago, Jay Bookman was a news writer. This blog and his sufferance of white noise has somehow mutated his own inner voice into accomodating the obvious reactions that litter the wash of his daily opinion piece. So he thinks, like Kyle, that he HAS to employ the omnicient first person narrative style profusely illustrated with asides and bromides. Blogged diaries, like JayKyle’s, have mind-melded into news copy. The effect on readers is that the power of real news and real words gets diluted and thus reporting strays from the events which morph without oversight. The campaign’s polls clearly showed the end result of creating copy to the height, depth and breadth our souls can reach. Great poetry. Great comedy. But not news.

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Drug test all pols now.

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Jedi Mind Tricks don’t work on Toydarians.

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so peter, help me understand you a bit better, you call for the govenor to do something about FAT people and you say that repubs are for big govt. …Does that imply that YOU are a republican??

@look.. you could have stopped after:”MY wife”

@Jamvet: in the 50’s the southern whites where democrats….and yes some of these guys are Goobers, kinda like Jessie Jackson Jr,.Kusinich(sp) B. Frank (thank you for Fannie mae)……

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Fannie Mae — SQUIRREL!

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Twinkie update

What do capitalists do when they’re caught with their pants down?

They lie, of course.

http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Organizing-Bargaining/Hostess-Spreads-Misinformation-on-Strike

Over the past eight years since the first Hostess bankruptcy, BCTGM members have watched as money from previous concessions that was supposed to go toward capital investment, product development, plant improvement and new equipment was squandered in executive bonuses, payouts to Wall Street investors and payments to high-priced attorneys and consultants.

BCTGM members are well aware that, as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then-CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.

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if, yes, what would happen?

Depends. Is Superman a Nazi?

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alex, 11:38 am

“@ Mary, PBS can be excellent,NOVA, etc. Where’s our Krugman quote for the day?……”More Schumpeter…I have a fever….”@ aquagirl, YOU may be able to live without twinkies, but ME, NO,..NEVER…..pass the pies..OK.OK, I’m carbo loading…..”
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Alex, stand back a little and reread your post. Analyze it, yourself, for quality. Essentially, it is a post that indulges in name calling. I would urge you not simply to react to my posts about this subjet in a shallow way. I urge you, instead, to take some quality time tomorrow at noon to watch the public television broadcast, “Independent Lens: Park Avenue, Money, Power, and the American Dream” and become informed in a serious way, about a serious subject.

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I was recently informed by an attorney I engaged (for purposes of setting up a special-needs trust for my chiled) that under the terms of Obama’s “Affordable Health Care Act” that this tax deuction is going away.

Interesting – I haven’t heard that ^^scenario. Classes for the new tax laws that will govern Obamacare haven’t even come out yet – mainly because the LAW hasn’t been fully implemented yet. I’m amazed that your attorney has ALREADY received advance training on the tax liability part of the law.

Is your attorney psychic?

Banderson : Repubs – here’s one you can work with. Voter id cards are the mark of the beast. Discuss.

Oooh you’ve just thrown them into a frenzy!! I suspect smelling salts and fainting couches will soon appear!

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Welcome to the Occupation…… thanks for the info…….. Sounds allot like a Romney move to me !

I am sure those big pay raises, were because of the Unions……… at least I am thinking that will be the Right wing Attack !

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Debbie, “Classes for the new tax laws that will govern Obamacare haven’t even come out yet – mainly because the LAW hasn’t been fully implemented yet. ”

Do you realize we don’t have to “wait until it’s implemented before we can read it”, Debbie?

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S F D — Indeed, that is Plato’s point, although, he says those who did not go into “the light”, would kill that one who did out of terror and disbelief, but as you so colorfully point out it is an eternal question.

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Agency 21’s take on TwinkieGate: The old saw about Twinkies was that the wrapper was more nutritious than the cylindrical object inside. The FDA denied it. The same thing was said about condums. That, too, the FDA denied. The all Twinkie diet was a phenomenom of the sixties. Now, in the tweens, we know that the all Koolaid diet is the only constitutional way to preserve sustainable hegemony. It’s time we just let Twinkies go.

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Peter, “RB from Gwinnett … Did you read the full article…….. Did you notice they had competition for the heath food industry ?”

Yes Peter, I read it. I also read the part where their union employees are on strike and they were told if they didn’t return to work by the end of the day yesterday, they would liquidate the company and send all 18,500 of them to the UE office.

Question for you, Peter. How do you overcome competition when your employees are in the street with pickett signs instead of making your product? What’s your strategy there?

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Do you realize we don’t have to “wait until it’s implemented before we can read it”, Debbie?

Obviously you know nothing about doing taxes; OR how some laws work. The basic tenet of the law is the framework. The framework can pass and then you have to put the “nails and the siding” in to make the rest of the law.

Tax laws change every year — however they don’t go into effect the same year they change. By the time a tax law goes into effect, 20 things could have been changed from the basic framework of the law; hence each person who prepares taxes OR each person who has anything to do with taxes MUST be certified every year because of said changes.

RMDBS is real.

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What’s your strategy there?

How about actually PAYING the employees, (like they did the bosses who effed up the company), what they’re worth, instead of demanding they live off of the crumbs from the rich man’s table?

NOW no one has a job. You’re doing a good job management!!!

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Debbie, “How about actually PAYING the employees, (like they did the bosses who effed up the company), what they’re worth”

I don’t suppose you have any data to back up these employees being underpaid for their skill levels do you? Just more hatred of business owners, right Debbie?

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Doom — “For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.”

This is true.

My wife went to a West Coast hippie university for her BA, and she’s told me stories of what she calls the “woo-woos;” lefties so far gone that they’d burn people like JamVet and Getalife at the stake during their Solstice festival.

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oh yea, to change subjects for a second (sorry) but have you seen where the unions, Bakers union I believe, wouldn’t agree to concessions to save the company as a whole and Hostess’s parent company is shutting the entire puppy down….18,500 jobs lost because one group refuse to cut for the good of the whole….but I thought unions were reasonable….I guess not….another company destroyed by the unions and it’s unwillingness to cooporate. And you wonder why job’s are sent overseas, it isn’t all entirely the “big business’s” and greedy billionaires fault….

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Mary Elizabeth, others:

The marriage between capitalism and democracy is over. That is just now starting to become clear to wider numbers of people, but generally the process is just beginning. When that realization starts to take hold among wider sections of the population, we will see our political system radicalize significantly. For an idea of what that will look like, just look at Greece.

(Hint: it’s a breeding ground for fascism.)

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DDR

My tax attorney is suggesting the same thing with the caveat that we can only offer you advise based on what we currently know…I’m not sure what is the issue..

RB

Excellent point…unions have outlived their usefulness…I actually think this occurred decades ago about the time those in Detroit negotiated “job banks”…more importantly, they “negotiated” all these long term benefits and pensions that someone had to know could not be honored…

But I guess the NFL, MLB, government employees et al really need someone to give their money to for “protection” …Based on union employment over the last few decades, they rival only the religious institutions for the desperation of relevancy…

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“For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.”

You have to love the “and then some”. Not enough to just say wackos are part of every political affiliation. Have to make yourself feel a little better by saying, well there is more on the other side. As if Thulsa as counted them or read some study to verify that statement.

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JOE

Here’s what is perplexing about the twinkie crisis…is demand really down for twinkies? That’s very difficult to believe and if true, is the extinquishing of one of the shining stars of junkfoodum…

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Twinkies used to be made with Chemical X until the UN banned it in 1980.

Dan White had a Twinkie addiction that caused him to murder Mayor Moscone of San Francisco and councilman Harvey Milk. This was the first verified case of RMDBS.

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RB — “And just for giggles, cat, go look up the UK’s decision to drop Xolair from their approved list because their “death panels” have determined it’s too expensive.”

Actually, what *I* read was that given the cost differential between it and other comparable treatment (generally high doses of corticosteroids), there wasn’t enough difference in the results to make Xolair worth using.

Besides, you’re likely to get complications and side effects from both corticosteroids and MABs anyway, and the MAB side effects can be *much* more nasty and life-threatening.

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Twinkies will now find their way to the underground markets. You will have to go down a staircase in a dark alley and do the secret knock on the door to be let in in order to get your Twinkie fix.

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A world without Twinkies…….think of all the downstream workers (e.g. GM) who will loose their jobs ( you know the companies who make the dough, the gooey paste, the plastic injectors, I could go on and on), Where is the Govt. I am appaled..the only “invisible hand” here is the govt. not giving a handout to the union, after all it IS union members who are loosing their jobs…. WE NEED COGRESSIONAL MEETINGS, WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT ON THIS,THIS AMERICA–THIS IS TWINKIES…carry on

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T. Cat — “RB-I did some very cursory googling on Xolair. It appears there are severe side effects leading to its removal from the market.”

There are. Xolair’s in a family of drugs called Monoclonal Antibodies; they’re genetically-engineered antibodies that are supposed to target the mechanism of disease and shut it down. Problem is, they don’t always work as you’d hope and can result in complications like (depending on the disease you’ve got and the MAB you’re treating it with) like neural tumors, cancer and just plain death.

I know; I was on MABs for over a year not long ago. They’re costly (about $60K/year in my case), their success isn’t guaranteed (and they didn’t get the job done for me) and the side effects can be nasty. Plus, as my doctors told me, even if a given MAB *does* work for you, they tend to stop working sooner or later. They’re not sure why; my docs speculated that the disease figures out a way around the MAB and then continues to do its dirty work.

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Welcome to the Occupation

November 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

There are still a ot of goods and services being produced. Isn’t that an important part of captialism?

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8,500 jobs lost because one group refuse to cut for the good of the whole….but I thought unions were reasonable….I guess not….another company destroyed by the unions greedy corporatists MANAGERS who make more in a year sitting on their wide azzes than those PRODUCERS who actually do the work make in a lifetime, and it’s unwillingness to cooperate.

DannyX:: Dan White had a Twinkie addiction that caused him to murder Mayor Moscone of San Francisco and councilman Harvey Milk. This was the first verified case of RMDBS.

Wow DannyX — Good history footnote lesson! You are WAY too smart for this blog. Must have some sort of “smart pill” that you take………..

You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. What is Twinkie? How do you define Twinkie?

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BOTH

Yup…bet you $1 that the buyer is General Foods, Nestle, or other giant…the book has been out on a brand to brand basis for quite some time…I’d be shocked if contingent deals aren’t already in place..just as soon as the creditors get a massive haircut..

Bankruptcy is efficient…wish the government had simply guaranteed DIP financing instead of setting another example of too big to fail and union protection..

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rob julian-we already have a satirist on the board, Redneck….Don’t really need another one. Oh-you believe what you posted? Oh my.

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“If that jackazz wants to penalize his employees and then tell his customers to pick up the cost — just so he can justify paying them less ”

Who said anything about penalizing his employees? He’s providing them healthcare as he’s been legislated to do and passing the cost on to his customers. Just like he would if his property taxes go up or the price of eggs goes up. As he’s presented it, the only way his employees make less is if a tightwad customer gives them less of a tip, but wouldn’t that be the customers fault?

Oh, and the employee’s $3K per year contribution to their group plan will cost them a bit too, but don’t tell them yet, they still think it’s free.

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WAR
DEAD
EAGLE!

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didn’t work Kam!

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From the Great Orange Satan:

“Of course, Hostess management had already claimed that the strike would be responsible for the closings of specific plants—when it had already planned to close plants even if the workers accepted the cuts and stayed at work. BCTGM President Frank Hurt says the workers understood who they were dealing with:

Our members know that the plans all along of the Wall Street investors currently in control of this company did not include the operation of Hostess Brands any longer than it takes to sell the company in whole—or in part—in a way that will maximize the profits of these vulture capitalists regardless of the impact on the workforce.

Workers were being asked to accept cuts, but top executives had gotten massive raises as Hostess was about to enter bankruptcy. Investments in the company’s future that had been promised as part of restructuring after the previous bankruptcy were never made. And as for the management, put in place by the private equity companies that now own Hostess, Hurt says:

Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, “restructuring experts”, third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a “liquidation specialist”. Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.”
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Hell, The Twinkie got “BAINED”.

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DDR

Jay’s probably at lunch.

Just like a slacker.

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Liberal hack — Sigh. I don’t even have a good comeback for you…………this year………but wait till next year doggoneit!!!

StevieR — Agreed about BOTH of them probably being the cause. However my caveat is that ONE party was MORE of a cause (let’s say 70% — Management), than the other.

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But Debbie, I’m not beyond reasonable, if workers are supposed to take pay cuts, then everyone else above them need one too, including the CEO…. everyone is supposed to sacrifice for saving the company…it really is truly unfair to only expect the average employee only to take a cut in pay and benefits……

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TBS — “I’m certain that if demand is still fairly high that Hostess will be contacted by other companies to purchase the “name” and rights to make and sell these products.”

Agree. Heard on the bidness news this morning that Hostess is putting its product brand names and recipes up for sale as part of the liquidation. Somebody’s gonna buy the recipe and the name and just keep on making them.

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No offense but I feel like I need a shower to wash off the stoopid after reading too much of an RB dialogue…

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OBAMA WILL BE IMPEACHED SOON FOR LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

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liberal hack: Debbie, you need both managers and producers to make a product, there are reasons why managers get paid more, they aren’t just sitting on their glutus maximus’s all day long….how naive for you to say such things…..

LH — Read what GrannyG just posted:

Wall Street investors currently in control of this company did not include the operation of Hostess Brands any longer than it takes to sell the company in whole—or in part—in a way that will maximize the profits of these vulture capitalists regardless of the impact on the workforce.

Workers were being asked to accept cuts, but top executives had gotten massive raises as Hostess was about to enter bankruptcy. Investments in the company’s future that had been promised as part of restructuring after the previous bankruptcy were never made.

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The UN now sells Agenda 21 under the banner of sustainability. A prime mover of Ag. 21, Maurice Strong, said it was their duty to de-industrialise the West (Google it). Those nations which forego baseload power for wind and sun generation will live like the Amish until they are overrun by those which maintain their heavy industry. And the same UN environmentalists want to cool the planet, which will only precipitate the massive depopulation of a 100,000-year-long Ice Age which is already 1,000 years overdue. No, Jay — you are the one with the tinfoil hat.

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OBAMA WILL BE IMPEACHED SOON FOR LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

WE WILL BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS.
THE INVASION OF IRAQ WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.
THE SMOKING GUN IS THE MUSHROOM CLOUD.

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alex — “Joe, just saw your post, obviously you have experience with Xolair”

Not specifically Xolair, but Remicade and Humira. Humira and Xolair are both monoclonal antibodies.

FWIW, I did a LOT of reading and spent a LOT of time talking to pharmacists and clinicians while I was on the Remi and the Humi.

“I can only hope that you are NOT on hi dose ‘roids for prolonged time periods, politics aside that is a situation no one would want….. Best of luck”

I escaped without any *serious* lasting side effects. No kidney failure, no osteoporosis . . . but my eyesight did suffer some permanent degradation. I think the doc said ‘let’s get you off the ‘roids’ just in time.

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Didn’t know that twinkies are Kosher….Kamchak, you’re a surprise a minute….
Sounds like a college breakfast: twinkies and MD 20/20……

As I said Joe, you’ve got the big guns, hang tight and good luck..

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Sure, we should trust ALL the information the union feeds us as their union members and their dues go marching out the door. What motive could they possibly have to feeding bad info the the public??….

They have the same motives that any other group who feeds bad info would. The question is, is it bad info if it’s backed up by real facts?

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DEBBIE

You have no support to suggest management has more culpability than labor…you can complain all you want and take typical liberal stand that mgt’s buyouts or whatever had something to do with this…but it is likely that the reason for the 6 CEO changes in so many years is suggestive that Ripplewood brought in a string of “work out” CEO specialists most of whom saw doomsday approaching..turn around specialist either get the company back on track or prepare the company for sale…any other outcome is not something they’d want on their resume.

Given that work-outs like this are ugly internally and generally short in term, results in the specialist they bring in needing guaranteed money up front…hopefully any pensions financed by the company will be safe or otherwise insured by taxpayers…

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RB — “Who said anything about penalizing his employees?”

He did, when he suggested that customers tip less to make up for the 5% surcharge.

“He’s providing them healthcare as he’s been legislated to do and passing the cost on to his customers.”

Then he should have just been a man about it and simply raised his prices. Instead, he made a big deal about it. Had he simply raised his prices, no one need ever have known how big a jackazz he actually was.

“Just like he would if his property taxes go up or the price of eggs goes up.”

What a ridiculous comparison. When your cost of doing business goes up, you simply raise your prices. You don’t put up a sign or scrawl something on your price list saying ‘hey, I’m charging you 5% more because of XYZ, but if you don’t like it, stiff my delivery driver/installer/other employee and call it even, k?

“As he’s presented it, the only way his employees make less is if a tightwad customer gives them less of a tip, but wouldn’t that be the customers fault?”

Customers aren’t under any obligation to pay a server’s wages. That’s the employer’s job.

“Oh, and the employee’s $3K per year contribution to their group plan will cost them a bit too, but don’t tell them yet, they still think it’s free.”

Gosh, between the unbridled anger and your clear disdain for restaurant servers, I bet you’re just a *hit* with the ladies, RB.

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A lot of posts to repond to here. Just a few words for each.

- Paulo, that rendition of “Stand by Me” is one of my favorites. The world is truly becoming smaller. We may not be able to have direct influence on the MIddle East situation but we can control the forces that would deny the democratic process, through secrecy, right here in our own backyard. And, I do not believe that the Middle Eastern problem is unsolvable, but it must be done with more than music. It must be attempted through enlightened dialogue and elevated consciousness. I trust our President in these matters for I think he has that elevated consciousness and I have never wavered in that assessment of him. (But, your are right that music helps!) And, as you have stated in the past, consciousness can grow, even when societies have been oppressed by others as in the Middle East, especially with concentrated attempts to that end. We saw that happen in America firsthand through the efforts of MLKJr. and his nonviolence principles based upon enlightenment.

-Alex, I am sorry to have misinterpreted you. Your style of writing is the antithesis of mine. It occurred to me that you might have meant your post in support of part of what I posted, but I am not familiar with your Saturday NIght anaogy so that also contributed to a limitation to my understanding your post. I do think, however, that you could learn something from Paul Krugman and your biases toward him also contributed to my misunderstanding of your intent. I do not appreciate being mocked repeatedly by you simply because I concur with much of Krugman’s thinking. Krugman showed tremendous courage, as a credible journalist, to speak out for the reason the deficit ran up to 10 trillion dollars under Bush (from almost a balanced budget under Clinton), but I believe he spoke truth, and I had thought the same thoughts before he published his 2/22/10 column.

I will never be less serious than I am, nor do I care to be. I do not come to this blog to joke around with posters. I come here to share truth as I see it. You might say that the educator is in my blood – and I mean that quite literally going back for centuries, within my father’s German roots

More to other posters in my next post.

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“What Obama is doing to gain power is very close to how Hitler came to power”

Got any specific, comparative examples…just for our amusement?

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Doggone — “Got any specific, comparative examples…just for our amusement?”

I think that Obama being elected to the Senate must = Kristallnacht and his first inauguration probably = burning of the Reichstag. His second inauguration will probably be compared with the Anschluss.

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What Obama is doing to gain power is very close to how Hitler came to power.

Godwin’s Law, proven yet again.

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“Jerry Springeresque” in 3…2…1….

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MARYELIZABETH

What on earth would you expect Krugman to say? It takes no courage to always take the LIB side no matter what…Bush was responsible for the wars that is certain…had Clinton not benefitted (he states this himself) from tech segment run up and the resulting tax windfalls things may have been different..Bush inherited the quick demise of the dot.com bubble and I don’t call him complaining..

We got into wars, like all of them the since 1946, that we had no business getting into…they are expensive, especially when the objectives are vague at best..worse, when the dust settles and we are gone, everything will return back to pre-war normal.

Krugman injects too much politics into his economics for my taste…every GOP in our lifetimes can’t all be wrong anymore than all DEMS can be right…this is why Krugman isn’t taken as seriously by his peers that many others..

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Bill Campbell. Funny stuff…… kind of like. WMD, Saddam and Bin Laden were working together on 911, Deficits don’t matter, and mission accomplished……… you mean lies all similar to those ?

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Seems odd that Hostess couldn’t have “sweetened” the deal…

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Joey, “Then he should have just been a man about it and simply raised his prices. Instead, he made a big deal about it. Had he simply raised his prices, no one need ever have known how big a jackazz he actually was.”

Just chompin’ at the bit to tell him what to do too, aren’tcha Joey? I’d be he doesn’t give much more a crap about your advice than I do.

“Customers aren’t under any obligation to pay a server’s wages. That’s the employer’s job.” Not in the restaurant business, Joey. Minimum wage for servers is 2 something. But if that’s ok with you, stiff your server and hope for the best.

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Peter,

Jesus h. Christ what in the f%$!k is the governor supposed to do about the rise diabetes? Is he supposed to make sure every adult in the state eats healthily, exercises, and avoids to much sugar, alcohol, etc. what in the hell is wrong with you?

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Kamchak, you say that a lot: “when I woke up this morning” and than[sic] thinking about me, hmmmm..

What can I say?

You’re just one bad stud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TIZb8d87AI

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what in the hell is wrong with you? Gosh…Thulsa Doom… you were not taught well to play nice either were you ?

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RB from Gwinnett… Ok big talker prove it to be wrong ?

Or shall we wait for the court papers to show you ?

Twinkies the health food of Republican’s !

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