Agenda 21: The lunacy infiltrating state leaders
Glenn Beck is an entertainer who pitches his schtick at the eagerly deluded and culturally paranoid. Given that we live in a nation of some 300 million, that’s enough of an audience to make a man wealthy.
So when Beck publishes a book titled “Agenda 21,” a fictional warning of a UN takeover of the United States in which the U.S. government is abolished and its citizens are allowed only two functions, “to create clean energy and to create new human life,” it’s easily dismissed as the harmless lunacy that it clearly is.
However, when seven leading GOP members of the Georgia Senate gather in the state Capitol on state taxpayer dollars to hear a lecture on that same “Agenda 21″ preaching much the same craziness, it gets a little more troubling. When Sen. Chip Rogers of Cherokee County submits legislation attempting to further that outlandish conspiracy theory, it gets more troubling still. (It is somewhat of a comfort that Rogers was deposed yesterday in a Senate Republican Caucus meeting.)
And when you consider that others in attendance included Barry Loudermilk, chairman of the Senate Science and Technology Committee; Jack Murphy, chairman of the Senate Banking and Financial Institutions Committee; John Albers, vice chair of the Science and Technology Committee; Bill Heath, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee; and Butch Miller, chairman of the State and Local Governmental Operations Committee, it doesn’t bode well for serious governance.
Now, attendance in a lecture should not be confused with adherence. But based on a 52-minute video and the Powerpoint slides presented, the level of crazy would have sent many a sane person fleeing the room.
For those not well-versed in tin-foil theories, Agenda 21 is an obscure document created in a U.N. conference 20 years ago. If you read the document, it is a perfectly reasonable, utterly harmless recitation of standard land-use planning techniques. It is particularly aimed at developing countries that are trying to adapt to sudden population shifts from rural to urban areas.
But somewhere along the line, sifted through the minds of the paranoid, Agenda 21 becomes something much more sinister. For example, GOP senators attending the Capitol briefing were warned that those spreading the traitorous Agenda 21 have been trained in the use of a mind-control technique known as the Delphi technique. Among the buzzwords that betray influence by Agenda 21 include “best management practices,” “international baccalaureate,” “historic preservation,” “livable communities,” and “public-private partnerships.”
Now, using tax dollars to build a new stadium for the Atlanta Falcons would be a public-private partnership. And while personally I think that’s a bad idea given more pressing public needs, I would not have dreamed of attributing the idea to a U.N.-inspired attempted takeover of the United States. Does that make me a victim of the Delphi technique?
According to Field Searcy, who made the presentation, the influence of Agenda 21 can already be detected in the Georgia Department of Community Affairs, the Atlanta Regional Commission, the Cumberland Community Improvement District in Cobb County and in Cobb County itself. Searcy also compared President Obama’s creation of a White House Rural Council to Josef Stalin’s five-year development plan that ended in the starvation deaths of millions of Ukrainians, and with Mao Tse Tung’s Great Leap Forward, which also killed tens of millions.
These are the ideas influencing some of this state’s top leadership. Has it become impossible for saner conservative leaders to publicly denounce this stuff for the lunacy that it is? Perhaps so, given that a condemnation of Agenda 21 was even incorporated into the GOP’s 2012 political platform.
– Jay Bookman
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RB from Gwinnett
November 16th, 2012
1:12 pm
Joey, “Then he should have just been a man about it and simply raised his prices. Instead, he made a big deal about it. Had he simply raised his prices, no one need ever have known how big a jackazz he actually was.”
Just chompin’ at the bit to tell him what to do too, aren’tcha Joey? I’d be he doesn’t give much more a crap about your advice than I do.
“Customers aren’t under any obligation to pay a server’s wages. That’s the employer’s job.” Not in the restaurant business, Joey. Minimum wage for servers is 2 something. But if that’s ok with you, stiff your server and hope for the best.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 16th, 2012
1:12 pm
Peace @ 11:14
Jay doesn’t respond to my posts any more so he’s certainly not going to respond to that one that backed him into a corner.
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
1:13 pm
Peter,
Jesus h. Christ what in the f%$!k is the governor supposed to do about the rise diabetes? Is he supposed to make sure every adult in the state eats healthily, exercises, and avoids to much sugar, alcohol, etc. what in the hell is wrong with you?
Mary Elizabeth
November 16th, 2012
1:14 pm
-Joe Hussein Mama, 12:17 pm
“Doom — ‘For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.’
This is true. My wife went to a West Coast hippie university for her BA, and she’s told me stories of what she calls the ‘woo-woos;’ lefties so far gone that they’d burn people like JamVet and Getalife at the stake during their Solstice festival.”
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Joe Mama, instead of labelling people, why not simply try to uncover truth? Here is an answer I gave to a poster on Jim Galloway’s blog a few minutes ago who had a similar thought process as you and “Doom.” My remarks, below, are now addressed to you, in response to your post, above, at 12:17 pm:
“In all due respect, I do not believe you are aware, in depth. It was not me that highlighted the Koch Brothers in the public television broadcast, ‘Independent Lens: Park Avenue, Money, Power, and the American Dream.’ The Koch Brothers were given that extensive highlight in that broadcast because of what they have been about for over 30 years. Moreover, public broadcasting does not spread conspiracy theories; they educate the public. Instead of having doubts about my posts, why not instead take some quality time, tomorrow at noon, to watch that public television broadcast (Channel 246 on Comcast). That documentary presents the case as to how some corporate interests and some politicians, even some local politicians, are wedded for their mutual self-interests, instead for the interests of the common good and instead of for the interests of the working/middle class, much better than can I.
As an educator, I simply want to inform the public and speak truth to the public rather than have the public accept, unknowingly, surface givens without question. The heart of education is to question in depth.”
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 16th, 2012
1:15 pm
Kamchak, you say that a lot: “when I woke up this morning” and than[sic] thinking about me, hmmmm..
What can I say?
You’re just one bad stud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TIZb8d87AI
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:16 pm
Thulsa Doom. ……….. EDUCATION…….. I know it is a four letter word for Republican’s……but hey the health industry has to bilk the healthy so there is the reason.
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:17 pm
what in the hell is wrong with you? Gosh…Thulsa Doom… you were not taught well to play nice either were you ?
RB from Gwinnett
November 16th, 2012
1:17 pm
I know, Peter, companies struggling to survive and with pending union negotiations always double their managements pay just for kicks. Happens all the time, right, Peter? It has to be true because the union said so….
Geez…..
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:19 pm
RB from Gwinnett… Ok big talker prove it to be wrong ?
Or shall we wait for the court papers to show you ?
Twinkies the health food of Republican’s !
Regnad Kcin
November 16th, 2012
1:20 pm
Peter – RB never looks anything up himself, and will dispute any fact he disagrees with, whether documented or not.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 16th, 2012
1:22 pm
Peter
Twinkies the health food of Republican’s !
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Do you doubt it looking at the svelte figure of Newt
RB from Gwinnett
November 16th, 2012
1:22 pm
Peter, I’m not the person claiming it to be true, friend, that would be YOU. Why don’t YOU back it up?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 16th, 2012
1:23 pm
Peter
RB is our resident master baiter
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:24 pm
Regnad Kcin …….. really have you seen my other posts… seems you are speaking out of turn.
Today I posted 3 articles proving my point…thank you !
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
1:27 pm
Peter,
As if there isn’t enough education out there already about diabetes. The nanny state is no substitute for personal responsibility. But then the term “personal responsibility” is an impolite term in liberalism. So is there anything else on your wish list that the nanny state should teach folks that isn’t already common sense? jeez
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:27 pm
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/05/1081003/-Yikes-Twinkie-maker-execs-gave-themselves-huge-raises-then-went-bankrupt#
Seems Dow Jones had the scoop yesterday………. stating Twinkies did a ROMNEY !
And to think all you republican’s were fooled into voting for him !
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:29 pm
But then the term “personal responsibility” is an impolite term in liberalism.
Really…… Thulsa Doom ……. kind of like the rest of the bloggers here from the right not looking stuff up on the internet or reading the complete article before blabbering ?
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
1:30 pm
Hostess told the unions they would have to shut down certain plants if they struck. They struck anyway. Screw em.
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:30 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common … Thank you ……funny as heck……. almost fell off my chair !
We do know his skills on the internet for finding info are questionable !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 16th, 2012
1:31 pm
1) Headline “NEW YORK TIMES” (not drudgey): “Ex-CIA Director David PETRAEUS told lawmakers during private hearings Friday that he believed all along that the deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya was a terrorist strike, even though that wasn’t how the Obama administration initially described it publicly.”
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/11/16/us/politics/ap-us-libya-attack.html?hp
2) ATLANTA JOURNAL & CONSTITUTION: Jay BOOKMAN: “The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/17/on-benghazi-the-debate-and-acts-of-terror/
3) “We Report ……… You Decide”.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
1:32 pm
RB — “Just chompin’ at the bit to tell him what to do too, aren’tcha Joey? I’d be he doesn’t give much more a crap about your advice than I do.”
If you don’t give a crap about what your customers think and want, then you don’t deserve to be in business either, RB.
“Not in the restaurant business, Joey.”
Wrong, RB. *Even* in the restaurant business, an employer is *obligated* to meet a specified minimum wage.
Please, tell us more. I love when you prattle on at length and trip over your own desire to argue and be a Richard. (laughing)
“But if that’s ok with you, stiff your server and hope for the best.”
I don’t stiff servers. It’s just one of the ways I’m a better person than you. (giggling)
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:32 pm
Thulsa Doom…… so why complain about the loss of jobs then…. management did a Romney and so screw them !
Gosh…… I love the way Republican’s care about employment in America !
alex
November 16th, 2012
1:32 pm
Bad to the BONE !
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
1:32 pm
Sorry peter but its not gubments job to be every ones mommy. except in liberal fantasy land anyway.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
1:34 pm
M. Elizabeth — “Joe Mama, instead of labelling people, why not simply try to uncover truth?”
I didn’t label anyone. I clearly stated that my *wife* calls such people “woo-woos,” and that I was relating what she had told me.
Now, since it seems you didn’t read what I wrote, I’m going to return the courtesy.
Regnad Kcin
November 16th, 2012
1:34 pm
Peter, re-read my post – I was refering to RB, not yourself.
alex
November 16th, 2012
1:35 pm
If a TV show is depth, then please borrow my snorkel……..Be careful falling off that “educator” high horse you might hurt yourself…Sheees
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
1:36 pm
Peter,
Most of the companies Romney helped became very successful. Staples is one example of many. Trying to distort his successful track record isn’t going to change reality.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
1:36 pm
RB — “Peter, I’m not the person claiming it to be true, friend, that would be YOU. Why don’t YOU back it up?”
Don’t bother, Peter. RB made a claim about freight haulage earlier this week and still refuses to pony up any evidence.
Going along with RB’s demands is never worth it, since he won’t do what he demands you do.
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:36 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801…….. YUP 4 people died……. read below.how many died ?
No lies from the Republican’s ?
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2607
Invasion of Iraq was driven by oil, says Greenspan
Alan Greenspan, the consummate Washington insider and long-time head of the US central bank, has backed the position taken by many anti-war critics – that the invasion of Iraq was motivated by oil.
His claim comes in his newly published autobiography, The Age of Turbulence, in which he also castigates George Bush’s administration for making “grave mistakes” in economic policy.
Sounding more like an activist than a lifelong Republican who worked alongside six US presidents, Mr Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said in an interview with the Guardian that the invasion of Iraq was aimed at protecting Middle East oil reserves: “I thought the issue of weapons of mass destruction as the excuse was utterly beside the point.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 16th, 2012
1:36 pm
Bad to the BONE !
Down To The Bone.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
1:37 pm
Doom — “Most of the companies Romney helped became very successful.”
Except for the RNC.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 16th, 2012
1:37 pm
Thulsa Doom: “Hostess told the unions they would have to shut down certain plants if they struck. They struck anyway. Screw em.”
You’re repeating lies. Read up, before speaking, if you care to know what’s actually going on. (You can start with the link I posted above.)
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
Peter,
They were warned and they struck anyway. Eff em.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
Peter, I did not see where you were arguing that government should be everyone’s mommy and provide jobs. Surely you must have said that and its not some idiot posting more garbage without engaging their brain?
Mary Elizabeth
November 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
Welcome to the Occupation, 12:21 pm
“Mary Elizabeth, others: The marriage between capitalism and democracy is over. That is just now starting to become clear to wider numbers of people, but generally the process is just beginning. . .”
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Welcome, I cannot agree with you on that. I value too much what our nation has been in the past and what it can be to the world in the future to believe that pessimistic view. However, I do think that capitalism must change and embrace more of the “servant leader” concept in its impact upon our nation and within other capitalistic nations – than it has in the past. Our first president, George Washington, embodied the characteristics of the “servant leader” which was the role he wanted America’s leaders to embrace, into her future. I wrote a post late last evening to a poster identified as “Jason” that gives insight into the thinking and character of George Washington – which a few readers of this blog just may appreciate reading. So I will repost it here. We cannot give up on the contributions of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Lincoln, among many others, to our nation’s destiny, which is to be a force for good and for egalitarian enlightenment on the planet. I’ll repost now, without more comment.
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“Jason, you do not make your income in a vacuum. You make your income in a complex social interweaving that is America. You pay taxes to keep America viable so that you can continue to earn an income within America’s social structure.
George Washington, who was more prominent than any other American in founding our nation, first, as Commander-in-Chief of our military and, then, as America’s first President who laid the foundation for the survival of our nation, understood well the need for taxes to create a viable nation. It was not by happenstance that Washington was called ” The Father of Our Nation,” in his time.
From “Washington: A Life,” by Ron Chernow, p. 369
“The war continued to serve as Washington’s political schoolroom. Once again a harrowing winter forced him to think analytically about the nation’s ills. On both the civilian and military side of the conflict, he condemned slipshod, amateurish methods. America needed professional soldiers instead of men on short enlistments, just as it needed congressmen who stayed in office long enough to gain experience. Most of all Americans had to conquer their excessive attachment to state sovereignty. . . . Washington viewed the restoration of American credit as the country’s foremost political need, and he supported loans and heavy taxation to attain it. While fighting Great Britain, he pondered the source of its military power and found the answer in public credit, which gave the enemy inexhaustible resources. ‘In modern wars,’ he told Joseph Reed, ‘the longest purse must chiefly determine the event,’ and he feared that England, with a well-funded debt, would triumph over America with its chaotic finances and depleted coffers. . . .One virtue of a war that dragged on for so many years was that it gave the patriots a long gestation period in which to work out the rudiments of a federal government, financial mechanisms, diplomatic alliances, and other elements of a modern nation-state.”
And, from pages 424 – 425: “Washington also received a valuable education in finance from Robert Morris, who had raised money for the Continental cause on his own credit. Because the states had refused to collect their quota of taxes, Morris couldn’t service the sizable debt raised to finance the war. He warned that creditors ‘who trusted us in the hour of distress are defrauded’ and that it was pure ‘madness’ to ‘expect that foreigners will trust a government which has no credit with its own citizens.’ To end Congress’s servile reliance on the states for money, Morris proposed that it have the right to collect customs duties, and the fight for this ‘impost’ – the first form of federal taxation – became a rallying cry for proponents of an energetic central government.”
(It should be noted that the newly forming nation had so little money that it often could not pay the soldiers of the Revolutionary War who suffered great hardship including starvation, disease and death because of that fact, especially during the long, cold winters at Valley Forge. Washington, on several occasions, went to Robert Morris to ask for money to care for the needs of the soldiers of the Revolutionary War. Washington, who stayed with his men throughout their most dismal winters and rallied their resolve through his strength of will and who fought gallantly with his men in battle, often leading the way, lost money personally through his dedicated service to our nation and his efforts made our nation viable. You and I – and all of us today – are the beneficiaries of George Washington’s commitment and vision for this nation.)”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
HEADLINE: “No more Twinkies? Hostess to close, cites nationwide worker strike”
Could “Moon Pies” possibly be next ?
Oh, the horror !
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:39 pm
Thulsa Doom. YES…….. the management pulled a Romney………. another example…..
http://news.yahoo.com/steel-mill-polluted-town-romney-firm-profited-075010087.html
GEORGETOWN, S.C. (AP) — The rusty stains on Shirley Carter’s home are a permanent reminder of her fight with the local steel mill, just down U.S. Highway 17 near the boat docks. No matter how many cans of industrial-strength acid she went through, the red tint on her property never seemed to go away.
In 1998, Carter and her neighbors sued Georgetown Steel, then owned by the company Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney co-founded, Bain Capital. They sought millions in cleanup costs and accused the mill’s owners of leaving their historic Southern neighborhood looking like it had been hit by a “chemical bomb.”
State officials determined the mill was largely to blame for the pollution. As the lawsuit dragged on for years, the steel mill filed for bankruptcy and the plant ultimately settled with the residents.
In the end, Bain saw more than $30 million in returns on its steel company investment. Carter got $800.
F. Sinkwich
November 16th, 2012
1:39 pm
O’bozo has been gifted with a fresh excuse to shut down the oil industry:
“WEST COTE BLANCHE, La.— Two people are reported dead and two others missing after Coast Guard officials say an oil rig exploded off the coast of Louisiana Friday. Four workers have been hospitalized.”
He’s not gonna let this crisis go to waste.
larry
November 16th, 2012
1:39 pm
Most of the companies Romney helped became very successful. Staples is one example of many. Trying to distort his successful track record isn’t going to change reality.
Yep, thats the reason why Staples closed their store in Toccoa in 2001, it was too successful.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
1:41 pm
Screw Twinkies, TRY THIS!
http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2012/11/16/15220345-cracker-jack-gets-a-jolt-of-caffeine
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
Caffeine-coated Cracker Jacks are going to hit the store shelves soon. Great! Because kids need more excuses to bounce off the walls!
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:43 pm
Peter,
They were warned and they struck anyway. Eff em.
Such compassion for American citizens is really the basis of the Republican foundation is it not ?
YUP….. the American worker decides to stand for what is Correct…….. I guess that doesn’t work……. when the executives get money for bankrupting a company … the Romney Way…… The Republican way !
Let them eat cake was the cry……….. I mean Twinkies !
MadMax
November 16th, 2012
1:48 pm
By KIMBERLY DOZIER
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON —
Ex-CIA Director David Petraeus told lawmakers during private hearings Friday that he believed all along that the deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya was a terrorist strike, even though that wasn’t how the Obama administration initially described it publicly.
bman.
November 16th, 2012
1:49 pm
I really had no idea there was a Bakers Union. Well, they’re going to be a few buddies short.
Membership has its privileges
Tundra Dude
November 16th, 2012
1:56 pm
Agenda 21: The lunacy infiltrating state leaders
Great topic!
I’ll have to play catch-up later.
Gotta take this 4-year old shopping…think she’d like one of those tinfoil hats….
anybody know where to buy them..??
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 16th, 2012
1:56 pm
bman:
“Everybody stand up and holler for the union,
Let’s give the brotherhood a cheer.
Everybody stand up and holler for the union,
We ain’t hit a lick all year !”
Peter
November 16th, 2012
1:58 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801..
Holler for the executives that gave themselves……. BIG pay raises while bankrupting the company as well correct ?
Welcome to the Occupation
November 16th, 2012
1:59 pm
Mary Elizabeth: a couple of initial replies.
“However, I do think that capitalism must change and embrace more of the “servant leader” concept in its impact upon our nation and within other capitalistic nations”
Capitalism does not simply adapt to external conditions or the ‘wishes’ of concerned citizens, it operates based on its own logic, the logic of capital, which is based on the profit motive. Under conditions of global capitalism currently – with the additional of ‘third world’ counties to global capital – we are seeing exploitation that makes the 19th C, the previous period of widespread capitalist accumulation, look like child’s play. The regimes where this new form of highly exploitative capitalism — think Foxconn, for ex., which makes your iTunes or IPad — is predominant — China, Singapore, etc. — are not democratic regimes. Once workers in the western welfare state countries start to be exposed to competition from the low wage regions, there is nothing to stop the flood to those areas and a collapse in the living standards of the workers on the losing end.
“Welcome, I cannot agree with you on that. I value too much what our nation has been in the past and what it can be to the world in the future to believe that pessimistic view.”
Needless to say, I disagree entirely. The gains of the 20th C — New Deal, Great Society, Civil Rights Era — were made possible bec of several factors coming together, the most important of which was the rise of fascism in Europe and the very real threat that capitalism would give way to radicalism of the left or right here at home. After the devastation of Europe by fascism in WWII, the Bretton Woods system was set up in a way to enable prosperity for large swaths of the non-African American US population, along with the Democratic societies of Western Europe, for roughly two decades before it began to enter crisis.
These reforms that made possible the great age of middle class prosperity that we have known in our lifetimes was not the product of wise and well-meaning leaders doing benevolent things out of the goodness of their heart, but a pragmatic attempt to compromise with extremely turbulent, destructive forces that had brought humanity to the very brink of self-destruction.
There is none of the street activism today that we had in that period, nor have we had the devastation of world war in the lifetimes of the people currently running our societies. On the contrary, today the forces of capital rule unchallenged and are hell bent on a thorough remaking of western societies in the current low-wage, neo-feudal mode we see today in places like China, etc.
moonbat betty
November 16th, 2012
1:59 pm
Is there a blogger’s union?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 16th, 2012
1:59 pm
Double “Whip Out” !
Headline: “Woman pulls gun on man who exposed himself at lake”
http://tdn.com/news/local/woman-pulls-gun-on-man-who-exposed-himself-at-lake/article_66bab166-2f9a-11e2-9af1-0019bb2963f4.html
They BOTH suck
November 16th, 2012
2:00 pm
moonbat
You can be the shop steward.
MadMax
November 16th, 2012
2:02 pm
larry
November 16th, 2012
1:39 pm
IF the store cannot generate a profit because the market isn’t there, then yes you shut the doors and walk away from it. They are not there to employ people, they are there only if the store is successful. By culling out the bad decisions of others, one can make an unprofitable company profitable. That is what companies like Bain do. They come in, study the company and either expand it, reorganize it or consolidate to make it the most profitable it can be. Do some people lose jobs when this is done – of course, but they would eventually have lost their job anyway if the company goes the way of Hostess.
bman.
November 16th, 2012
2:02 pm
moonbat betty
November 16th, 2012
1:59 pm
Is there a blogger’s union?
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I suppose we could start one. There are ads on this blog that pays someone $. Without a bloggers union, there would be no ads/$.
Share in the profit!
mm
November 16th, 2012
2:02 pm
I’m glad you cons are getting a Benghazi boner today. Knock yourselves out.
It’s quite amusing watching you try time after time to create scandals, only to watch them blow up in your face. Solyndra, Fast and Furious. Keep trying!
Mary Elizabeth
November 16th, 2012
2:03 pm
Joe Hussein Mama, 1:34 pm
“M. Elizabeth — ‘Joe Mama, instead of labelling people, why not simply try to uncover truth?’
I didn’t label anyone. I clearly stated that my *wife* calls such people “woo-woos,” and that I was relating what she had told me.
Now, since it seems you didn’t read what I wrote, I’m going to return the courtesy.”
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But, Joe Mama, I did read what you wrote, completely, several times. And, what you had written before the example of your wife’s referring to leftwing ‘hippies” in California, were these words below, by you, in which you posted Doom’s comments and thereafter you wrote to Doom, “This is true.”
“Doom — ‘For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.’ This is true.”
Your confirmation of Doom’s comments simply reinforced what your wife’s thinking, imo. I wished to give, through my post, a counter argument (or counter assessment I prefer) of what both you and your wife believe.
I do not wish to create ill-feeling between us through a misguided debate regarding which of us might be correct in the interpretation of our posts or of our beliefs held. What I do wish to do, instead, is to encourage you to learn more about the Koch Brothers, in truth and in depth, through taking time tomorrow at noon to watch the broadcast, which I have mentioned several times today, entitled “Independent Lens: Park Avenue, Money, Power, and the American Dream” on Channel 246 on Comcast.
My best regards to you, Joe Mama.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 16th, 2012
2:04 pm
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) – “A group of Wal-Mart workers are planning to stage a walkout next week on Black Friday, arguably the biggest holiday shopping day for the world’s largest retail store.”
Fire them all !
Brosephus™
November 16th, 2012
2:08 pm
JHM @ 1:41
HOLY COW!!! I can only imagine how many people are gonna be “jacked” behind the wheel. Before too long, somebody’s gonna just invent a caffeine injection or inhalant. Geez… and to think all these people fearing healthcare overhaul. We’re gonna need more than that to deal with our doped up society.
getalife
November 16th, 2012
2:08 pm
20 intell reports blamed the movie.
You owe Rice an apology cons.
moonbat betty
November 16th, 2012
2:08 pm
“You can be the shop steward.”
Cool, TBs!
I hereby declare each poster will receive $5 per post bonus and receive life time pension after a 90 day probationary period.
2 hour lunches with 6 weeks of paid vacation is a god given right to the posters who spill their blood, sweat and tears on the blog!
Just send $100 per month to moonbat betty, please.
Laughing
November 16th, 2012
2:09 pm
“Let them eat Twinkies!!” – Barack Obama 2012
RB from Gwinnett
November 16th, 2012
2:09 pm
Peter, “Holler for the executives that gave themselves……. BIG pay raises while bankrupting the company as well correct ?”
That BS again? Prove it!!!
Mary Elizabeth
November 16th, 2012
2:11 pm
Welcome to the Occupation, 1:59 pm
Welcome, you have given a thoughtful response to my earlier post to you and I want you to know that I appreciate that. I regret that I have an appointment that I must keep so that I will not be able, now, to fully digest your post, nor respond to it. I hope that later this evening I will be able to do so. If another thread is posted on this blog, in the meantime, I will nevertheless attempt to return, later this evening, to this thread to respond to your thoughtful post.
Have a good day ahead, Welcome.
MadMax
November 16th, 2012
2:11 pm
mm – the AP is a conservative tool? There seems to be a lot of smoke coming out of the doors of the WH. Wonder if there is a fire someplace. So we’re to believe that Obama had no knowledge that Petraeus was being investigated and if that’s true, we’re also to believe that the head of the CIA was not consulted for his opinion of the attacks. Yep, you’re right nothing there but smoke.
RB from Gwinnett
November 16th, 2012
2:11 pm
Joey, quick, do something to get the last word in!!
Child.
moonbat betty
November 16th, 2012
2:11 pm
“20 intell reports blamed the movie.”
getalife, I would like to see a detailed report of each said intel on my desk by 2:30 please.
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Nero
November 16th, 2012
2:13 pm
20 intel reports were kissing Bronco Bama’s ring. Sequestration now!
They BOTH suck
November 16th, 2012
2:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZQOrBR9fEA&feature=related
They BOTH suck
November 16th, 2012
2:19 pm
Bro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGb_IqxsQ2E
Recon 0311 2533
November 16th, 2012
2:22 pm
The question is now who in the Obama administration removed from the original CIA report the references to AQ and Anwar al Sharia the affiliated terrorist group that planned and executed the attacks in Benghazi that killed four Americans. Time for a special prosecutor.
Mick
November 16th, 2012
2:22 pm
0311
Fire them all? Then who are they going to hire, illegals? Please think about these things…
moonbat betty
November 16th, 2012
2:22 pm
And while working in the blog shop, this will be cranked up to excruciating levels at all times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgMp_yKx38
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 16th, 2012
2:23 pm
what would we do for entertainment if the whacky wing of the GOP didn’t gin up a scandal du jour?
silly, silly, silly
Mick
November 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
**Time for a special prosecutor**
Why? Don’t we have intelligence committees in congress with plenty of republicans (if they choose to attend) having hearings? Besides, your bloodlust to get obama on anything is showing, paranoia will destroy ya…
alex
November 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
Peter, with all do respect, the age of turbulence was published in 2007, and in light of the financial catasrophe augmented by Greenspan, his conclusions and thoughts must be seriously questioned….
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
M. Elizabeth — “I do not wish to create ill-feeling between us through a misguided debate regarding which of us might be correct in the interpretation of our posts or of our beliefs held.”
I appreciate that.
“What I do wish to do, instead, is to encourage you to learn more about the Koch Brothers”
Um, I have nothing good to say about the Koch brothers, and to be quite honest, I’m probably in agreement with most of all of what you had to say about them. That said, I wish it were possible for me to get you and my wife together. She witnessed or heard about quite a bit of behavior and activity that our cons here, IMO, wouldn’t even *charitably* describe as bug-nuts left-wing crazy. My wife’s a Birkenstock-wearing, Volvo-driving espresso-sipping liberal who was tear-gassed on campus while protesting Desert Storm, and even *she* thinks that some of the lefty people and groups she knew, saw and heard about went way too far. Even further, my personal assessment of those individuals is, believe me, far less charitable than my wife’s.
“My best regards to you, Joe Mama.”
And mine to you, Ma’am.
They BOTH suck
November 16th, 2012
2:26 pm
moonbat
Cool blast from the past. Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzn5hDPH1zM&feature=relmfu
Marc
November 16th, 2012
2:27 pm
Jay why no comment about Petraeus’ report saying nothing about the video and “Al Qaeda involvement” being the reason for the attack in Libya? Why no mention as to the reason that this was redacted from the original report? The noose is tightening and all your cover up wouldn’t be able to help.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
2:27 pm
RB — “Joey, quick, do something to get the last word in!!”
Aww, are you peeved that I busted you again for not having that freight haulage data AGAIN? (laughing, pointing)
“Child.”
You can stop with the name calling any time, RB. Or perhaps you *want* Jay to give you another time-out this week. (giggling)
Mary Elizabeth
November 16th, 2012
2:28 pm
Alex, 1:11 pm
“Mary, I too have taught and have won several awards(cheers for BS)..My father always said to be a good teacher,one must be an exhibitionist–I’ll put my clothes on now, I’ve also learned to laugh at myself—-I think my students have liked that the best.”
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Alex, as you well know, each teacher as well as each student will have a different style. As teachers, we try to bring out the best attributes in each as to what he or she is authentically rather than to try to make the students into what they are not or like us. My students, over 35 years, liked best that I cared for them individuallly, deeply and personally, and they often thanked me for that connection to them. Even as a substitute teacher in my older years, one of the students had to express to me, in front of eveyone, that I was his favorite teacher (a 12 year old), and with a hug, as I recall
Each teacher has his or her own talents and style. I compliment you for laughing at yourself. Just don’t laugh at others in a mean-spirited derisive way. As you well know, as a teacher, that mocking tactic is destructive, and sometimes it is even abusive, whether directed to children or to adults.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
November 16th, 2012
2:30 pm
For RB & Debbie who were debating the medical tax deductions, as promised I entertained myself reading up on some of the upcoming tax changes and here is what I found.
Currently, you can deduct medical expenses (on schedule A) only to the extent they exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income. That hurdle is going up to 10% on Jan. 1, 2013. For taxpayers 65 and older, it stays at 7.5% through 2016; for taxpayers in the alternative minimum tax the hurdle is already at 10% now.
Out of pocket medical and dental insurance premiums are eligible for this deduction provided they are NOT paid for with before tax payroll deductions many of us use.
Disclaimer: I am not a CPA and did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Consult your own tax specialist when preparing your return before relying on information posted by some anonymous bozo on a blog.
Elections Have Consequences
November 16th, 2012
2:30 pm
“inspired by the need to achieve a more efficient and equitable world economy, ”
Umm..read no further….
Mary Elizabeth
November 16th, 2012
2:31 pm
Thank you, Joe Mama.
Erwin's cat
November 16th, 2012
2:31 pm
Then who are they going to hire
with 8% unemployment, I don’t see this as an issue…hundreds will show up for the few tens of jobs available…please think about these things
Nero
November 16th, 2012
2:32 pm
Bronco Bama’s second term theme song..
http://youtu.be/_vgQalXaIxs
Joe Hussein Mama
November 16th, 2012
2:32 pm
E. C. RINO — “Currently, you can deduct medical expenses (on schedule A) only to the extent they exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income. That hurdle is going up to 10% on Jan. 1, 2013.”
That’s the offset for the ceiling on medical flex spending accounts dropping from $6K to $2500 on January 1.
MadMax
November 16th, 2012
2:32 pm
The only people in the world that believed it was the video were Biden, Rice and the kool aid drinkers on Bookman’s blog
Mick
November 16th, 2012
2:35 pm
cat
Yes, that’s the ticket for a career ladder, work at walmart. Since we’re at it, why doesn’t walmart lower the wage further or hire twice as many with a 20 hour work week cap, that’ll show them…
getalife
November 16th, 2012
2:35 pm
greenspan thinks we should go back to a recession to pay for the debt.
nero’s issue.
Child, please
November 16th, 2012
2:35 pm
Maybe the fact we had UN poll workers at our election might lead to some believe we are wiling some of our authority to that worthless organization. Although, it must be noted, that said poll workers were amazed to find out that people voting here didn’t need IDs to do so.
Of course, that’s also how we get 100+ % participation and 100% votes for the incombent, sounds like the old Soviet system
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 16th, 2012
2:35 pm
“**Time for a special prosecutor**”
Joe Lieberman who actually attended the briefing McCain missed, said
that wasn’t neccessary.
silly silly silly
the cat
November 16th, 2012
2:37 pm
REading where McCain wants to head the spezshul committee to investigate. He will do anything to try and stay relevant
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
November 16th, 2012
2:37 pm
Thanks for the input Joe. I may have foolishly tried to mediate a disagreement between 2 folks who would rather argue than find an answer. Who knows. But I tried. Slow Friday is the only excuse I can offer.
Recon 0311 2533
November 16th, 2012
2:37 pm
“Besides, your bloodlust to get obama on anything”
My bloodlust as you refer to it is to find out why the White House sent Susan Rice out to the public with talking points they knew were false. This was intentional disinformation and the families of four dead Americans deserve better than that as does the American public. Next I would like to learn why the requests for additional security were denied in light of all the intelligence that has come out supporting the validity of those requests. Don’t you want to have those answers?
Erwin's cat
November 16th, 2012
2:38 pm
Mick…realities are not always “fair” eh?
When people stop showing up for menial jobs the wage will be increased as will the benefits.
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Nero
November 16th, 2012
2:39 pm
getaleech,
I care little which way the economy goes. Greenspan is one of a long line of charlatans that got us where we are. Go over the Cliff and hit the reset button. Change the dynamic.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 16th, 2012
2:40 pm
Was it Thulsa Doom who earlier was saying something about unions being at the root of the Twinkie troubles?
Anybody doubting the increasing dictatorship of finance over routine production under capitalism today should read this:
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When Hostess Brands announced that it would close up its operations, the forces most responsible for that decision were two hedge funds that control hundreds of millions of Hostess debt and which have finally decided they won’t squeeze any more filling into the Twinkie.
The funds, Silver Point and Monarch, are what are known as distressed debt investors. They buy the debt of troubled companies—usually at steep discounts. Some consider them white knights who are willing to take make risky investments in companies on the verge of failure. Others say they are “vulture funds.”
Only Silver Point and Monarch could have kept Hostess out of liquidation and kept the Twinkie bakery ovens firing. But they were, ultimately, unable to reach a deal with the unions that represents the workers who make and deliver products like Twinkies, Wonderbread and Ding Dongs. Without large union concessions—what some would say, total union capitulation—the hedge funds decided Hostess would have to die.
…
“What the hedge funds want is some degree of capitulation from a union whose members will otherwise lose thousands of jobs in liquidation. If the hedge funds don’t get it, they’ve concluded, the company isn’t worth saving.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49853653
alex
November 16th, 2012
2:40 pm
I taught professional students: coddling was rarely used, performance is the key, either you do or don’t perform in critical issues at critical times, not everyone gets a trophy… It’ gets their attention and fast……wasted time can mean the difference between life and death, I guess that makes me a bit harder than you…Glad YOU taught children and I taught adults….now WHERE are my pants?…..