Agenda 21: The lunacy infiltrating state leaders

I was recently informed by an attorney I engaged (for purposes of setting up a special-needs trust for my chiled) that under the terms of Obama’s “Affordable Health Care Act” that this tax deuction is going away.

Interesting – I haven’t heard that ^^scenario. Classes for the new tax laws that will govern Obamacare haven’t even come out yet – mainly because the LAW hasn’t been fully implemented yet. I’m amazed that your attorney has ALREADY received advance training on the tax liability part of the law.

Is your attorney psychic?

Banderson : Repubs – here’s one you can work with. Voter id cards are the mark of the beast. Discuss.

Oooh you’ve just thrown them into a frenzy!! I suspect smelling salts and fainting couches will soon appear!

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Welcome to the Occupation…… thanks for the info…….. Sounds allot like a Romney move to me !

I am sure those big pay raises, were because of the Unions……… at least I am thinking that will be the Right wing Attack !

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Debbie, “Classes for the new tax laws that will govern Obamacare haven’t even come out yet – mainly because the LAW hasn’t been fully implemented yet. ”

Do you realize we don’t have to “wait until it’s implemented before we can read it”, Debbie?

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S F D — Indeed, that is Plato’s point, although, he says those who did not go into “the light”, would kill that one who did out of terror and disbelief, but as you so colorfully point out it is an eternal question.

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Agency 21’s take on TwinkieGate: The old saw about Twinkies was that the wrapper was more nutritious than the cylindrical object inside. The FDA denied it. The same thing was said about condums. That, too, the FDA denied. The all Twinkie diet was a phenomenom of the sixties. Now, in the tweens, we know that the all Koolaid diet is the only constitutional way to preserve sustainable hegemony. It’s time we just let Twinkies go.

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Peter, “RB from Gwinnett … Did you read the full article…….. Did you notice they had competition for the heath food industry ?”

Yes Peter, I read it. I also read the part where their union employees are on strike and they were told if they didn’t return to work by the end of the day yesterday, they would liquidate the company and send all 18,500 of them to the UE office.

Question for you, Peter. How do you overcome competition when your employees are in the street with pickett signs instead of making your product? What’s your strategy there?

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Do you realize we don’t have to “wait until it’s implemented before we can read it”, Debbie?

Obviously you know nothing about doing taxes; OR how some laws work. The basic tenet of the law is the framework. The framework can pass and then you have to put the “nails and the siding” in to make the rest of the law.

Tax laws change every year — however they don’t go into effect the same year they change. By the time a tax law goes into effect, 20 things could have been changed from the basic framework of the law; hence each person who prepares taxes OR each person who has anything to do with taxes MUST be certified every year because of said changes.

RMDBS is real.

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What’s your strategy there?

How about actually PAYING the employees, (like they did the bosses who effed up the company), what they’re worth, instead of demanding they live off of the crumbs from the rich man’s table?

NOW no one has a job. You’re doing a good job management!!!

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Debbie, “How about actually PAYING the employees, (like they did the bosses who effed up the company), what they’re worth”

I don’t suppose you have any data to back up these employees being underpaid for their skill levels do you? Just more hatred of business owners, right Debbie?

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Doom — “For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.”

This is true.

My wife went to a West Coast hippie university for her BA, and she’s told me stories of what she calls the “woo-woos;” lefties so far gone that they’d burn people like JamVet and Getalife at the stake during their Solstice festival.

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oh yea, to change subjects for a second (sorry) but have you seen where the unions, Bakers union I believe, wouldn’t agree to concessions to save the company as a whole and Hostess’s parent company is shutting the entire puppy down….18,500 jobs lost because one group refuse to cut for the good of the whole….but I thought unions were reasonable….I guess not….another company destroyed by the unions and it’s unwillingness to cooporate. And you wonder why job’s are sent overseas, it isn’t all entirely the “big business’s” and greedy billionaires fault….

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Mary Elizabeth, others:

The marriage between capitalism and democracy is over. That is just now starting to become clear to wider numbers of people, but generally the process is just beginning. When that realization starts to take hold among wider sections of the population, we will see our political system radicalize significantly. For an idea of what that will look like, just look at Greece.

(Hint: it’s a breeding ground for fascism.)

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DDR

My tax attorney is suggesting the same thing with the caveat that we can only offer you advise based on what we currently know…I’m not sure what is the issue..

RB

Excellent point…unions have outlived their usefulness…I actually think this occurred decades ago about the time those in Detroit negotiated “job banks”…more importantly, they “negotiated” all these long term benefits and pensions that someone had to know could not be honored…

But I guess the NFL, MLB, government employees et al really need someone to give their money to for “protection” …Based on union employment over the last few decades, they rival only the religious institutions for the desperation of relevancy…

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“For every Kenyan marxist crazy there is a 9/11 Koch brothers ALEC crazy and then some.”

You have to love the “and then some”. Not enough to just say wackos are part of every political affiliation. Have to make yourself feel a little better by saying, well there is more on the other side. As if Thulsa as counted them or read some study to verify that statement.

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JOE

Here’s what is perplexing about the twinkie crisis…is demand really down for twinkies? That’s very difficult to believe and if true, is the extinquishing of one of the shining stars of junkfoodum…

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Twinkies used to be made with Chemical X until the UN banned it in 1980.

Dan White had a Twinkie addiction that caused him to murder Mayor Moscone of San Francisco and councilman Harvey Milk. This was the first verified case of RMDBS.

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RB — “And just for giggles, cat, go look up the UK’s decision to drop Xolair from their approved list because their “death panels” have determined it’s too expensive.”

Actually, what *I* read was that given the cost differential between it and other comparable treatment (generally high doses of corticosteroids), there wasn’t enough difference in the results to make Xolair worth using.

Besides, you’re likely to get complications and side effects from both corticosteroids and MABs anyway, and the MAB side effects can be *much* more nasty and life-threatening.

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Twinkies will now find their way to the underground markets. You will have to go down a staircase in a dark alley and do the secret knock on the door to be let in in order to get your Twinkie fix.

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A world without Twinkies…….think of all the downstream workers (e.g. GM) who will loose their jobs ( you know the companies who make the dough, the gooey paste, the plastic injectors, I could go on and on), Where is the Govt. I am appaled..the only “invisible hand” here is the govt. not giving a handout to the union, after all it IS union members who are loosing their jobs…. WE NEED COGRESSIONAL MEETINGS, WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT ON THIS,THIS AMERICA–THIS IS TWINKIES…carry on

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T. Cat — “RB-I did some very cursory googling on Xolair. It appears there are severe side effects leading to its removal from the market.”

There are. Xolair’s in a family of drugs called Monoclonal Antibodies; they’re genetically-engineered antibodies that are supposed to target the mechanism of disease and shut it down. Problem is, they don’t always work as you’d hope and can result in complications like (depending on the disease you’ve got and the MAB you’re treating it with) like neural tumors, cancer and just plain death.

I know; I was on MABs for over a year not long ago. They’re costly (about $60K/year in my case), their success isn’t guaranteed (and they didn’t get the job done for me) and the side effects can be nasty. Plus, as my doctors told me, even if a given MAB *does* work for you, they tend to stop working sooner or later. They’re not sure why; my docs speculated that the disease figures out a way around the MAB and then continues to do its dirty work.

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Welcome to the Occupation

November 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

There are still a ot of goods and services being produced. Isn’t that an important part of captialism?

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8,500 jobs lost because one group refuse to cut for the good of the whole….but I thought unions were reasonable….I guess not….another company destroyed by the unions greedy corporatists MANAGERS who make more in a year sitting on their wide azzes than those PRODUCERS who actually do the work make in a lifetime, and it’s unwillingness to cooperate.

DannyX:: Dan White had a Twinkie addiction that caused him to murder Mayor Moscone of San Francisco and councilman Harvey Milk. This was the first verified case of RMDBS.

Wow DannyX — Good history footnote lesson! You are WAY too smart for this blog. Must have some sort of “smart pill” that you take………..

You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. What is Twinkie? How do you define Twinkie?

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BOTH

Yup…bet you $1 that the buyer is General Foods, Nestle, or other giant…the book has been out on a brand to brand basis for quite some time…I’d be shocked if contingent deals aren’t already in place..just as soon as the creditors get a massive haircut..

Bankruptcy is efficient…wish the government had simply guaranteed DIP financing instead of setting another example of too big to fail and union protection..

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rob julian-we already have a satirist on the board, Redneck….Don’t really need another one. Oh-you believe what you posted? Oh my.

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“If that jackazz wants to penalize his employees and then tell his customers to pick up the cost — just so he can justify paying them less ”

Who said anything about penalizing his employees? He’s providing them healthcare as he’s been legislated to do and passing the cost on to his customers. Just like he would if his property taxes go up or the price of eggs goes up. As he’s presented it, the only way his employees make less is if a tightwad customer gives them less of a tip, but wouldn’t that be the customers fault?

Oh, and the employee’s $3K per year contribution to their group plan will cost them a bit too, but don’t tell them yet, they still think it’s free.

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WAR
DEAD
EAGLE!

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didn’t work Kam!

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From the Great Orange Satan:

“Of course, Hostess management had already claimed that the strike would be responsible for the closings of specific plants—when it had already planned to close plants even if the workers accepted the cuts and stayed at work. BCTGM President Frank Hurt says the workers understood who they were dealing with:

Our members know that the plans all along of the Wall Street investors currently in control of this company did not include the operation of Hostess Brands any longer than it takes to sell the company in whole—or in part—in a way that will maximize the profits of these vulture capitalists regardless of the impact on the workforce.

Workers were being asked to accept cuts, but top executives had gotten massive raises as Hostess was about to enter bankruptcy. Investments in the company’s future that had been promised as part of restructuring after the previous bankruptcy were never made. And as for the management, put in place by the private equity companies that now own Hostess, Hurt says:

Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, “restructuring experts”, third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a “liquidation specialist”. Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.”
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Hell, The Twinkie got “BAINED”.

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DDR

Jay’s probably at lunch.

Just like a slacker.

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Liberal hack — Sigh. I don’t even have a good comeback for you…………this year………but wait till next year doggoneit!!!

StevieR — Agreed about BOTH of them probably being the cause. However my caveat is that ONE party was MORE of a cause (let’s say 70% — Management), than the other.

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But Debbie, I’m not beyond reasonable, if workers are supposed to take pay cuts, then everyone else above them need one too, including the CEO…. everyone is supposed to sacrifice for saving the company…it really is truly unfair to only expect the average employee only to take a cut in pay and benefits……

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TBS — “I’m certain that if demand is still fairly high that Hostess will be contacted by other companies to purchase the “name” and rights to make and sell these products.”

Agree. Heard on the bidness news this morning that Hostess is putting its product brand names and recipes up for sale as part of the liquidation. Somebody’s gonna buy the recipe and the name and just keep on making them.

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No offense but I feel like I need a shower to wash off the stoopid after reading too much of an RB dialogue…

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OBAMA WILL BE IMPEACHED SOON FOR LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

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liberal hack: Debbie, you need both managers and producers to make a product, there are reasons why managers get paid more, they aren’t just sitting on their glutus maximus’s all day long….how naive for you to say such things…..

LH — Read what GrannyG just posted:

Wall Street investors currently in control of this company did not include the operation of Hostess Brands any longer than it takes to sell the company in whole—or in part—in a way that will maximize the profits of these vulture capitalists regardless of the impact on the workforce.

Workers were being asked to accept cuts, but top executives had gotten massive raises as Hostess was about to enter bankruptcy. Investments in the company’s future that had been promised as part of restructuring after the previous bankruptcy were never made.

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The UN now sells Agenda 21 under the banner of sustainability. A prime mover of Ag. 21, Maurice Strong, said it was their duty to de-industrialise the West (Google it). Those nations which forego baseload power for wind and sun generation will live like the Amish until they are overrun by those which maintain their heavy industry. And the same UN environmentalists want to cool the planet, which will only precipitate the massive depopulation of a 100,000-year-long Ice Age which is already 1,000 years overdue. No, Jay — you are the one with the tinfoil hat.

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OBAMA WILL BE IMPEACHED SOON FOR LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

WE WILL BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS.
THE INVASION OF IRAQ WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.
THE SMOKING GUN IS THE MUSHROOM CLOUD.

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alex — “Joe, just saw your post, obviously you have experience with Xolair”

Not specifically Xolair, but Remicade and Humira. Humira and Xolair are both monoclonal antibodies.

FWIW, I did a LOT of reading and spent a LOT of time talking to pharmacists and clinicians while I was on the Remi and the Humi.

“I can only hope that you are NOT on hi dose ‘roids for prolonged time periods, politics aside that is a situation no one would want….. Best of luck”

I escaped without any *serious* lasting side effects. No kidney failure, no osteoporosis . . . but my eyesight did suffer some permanent degradation. I think the doc said ‘let’s get you off the ‘roids’ just in time.

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Didn’t know that twinkies are Kosher….Kamchak, you’re a surprise a minute….
Sounds like a college breakfast: twinkies and MD 20/20……

As I said Joe, you’ve got the big guns, hang tight and good luck..

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Sure, we should trust ALL the information the union feeds us as their union members and their dues go marching out the door. What motive could they possibly have to feeding bad info the the public??….

They have the same motives that any other group who feeds bad info would. The question is, is it bad info if it’s backed up by real facts?

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DEBBIE

You have no support to suggest management has more culpability than labor…you can complain all you want and take typical liberal stand that mgt’s buyouts or whatever had something to do with this…but it is likely that the reason for the 6 CEO changes in so many years is suggestive that Ripplewood brought in a string of “work out” CEO specialists most of whom saw doomsday approaching..turn around specialist either get the company back on track or prepare the company for sale…any other outcome is not something they’d want on their resume.

Given that work-outs like this are ugly internally and generally short in term, results in the specialist they bring in needing guaranteed money up front…hopefully any pensions financed by the company will be safe or otherwise insured by taxpayers…

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RB — “Who said anything about penalizing his employees?”

He did, when he suggested that customers tip less to make up for the 5% surcharge.

“He’s providing them healthcare as he’s been legislated to do and passing the cost on to his customers.”

Then he should have just been a man about it and simply raised his prices. Instead, he made a big deal about it. Had he simply raised his prices, no one need ever have known how big a jackazz he actually was.

“Just like he would if his property taxes go up or the price of eggs goes up.”

What a ridiculous comparison. When your cost of doing business goes up, you simply raise your prices. You don’t put up a sign or scrawl something on your price list saying ‘hey, I’m charging you 5% more because of XYZ, but if you don’t like it, stiff my delivery driver/installer/other employee and call it even, k?

“As he’s presented it, the only way his employees make less is if a tightwad customer gives them less of a tip, but wouldn’t that be the customers fault?”

Customers aren’t under any obligation to pay a server’s wages. That’s the employer’s job.

“Oh, and the employee’s $3K per year contribution to their group plan will cost them a bit too, but don’t tell them yet, they still think it’s free.”

Gosh, between the unbridled anger and your clear disdain for restaurant servers, I bet you’re just a *hit* with the ladies, RB.

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A lot of posts to repond to here. Just a few words for each.

- Paulo, that rendition of “Stand by Me” is one of my favorites. The world is truly becoming smaller. We may not be able to have direct influence on the MIddle East situation but we can control the forces that would deny the democratic process, through secrecy, right here in our own backyard. And, I do not believe that the Middle Eastern problem is unsolvable, but it must be done with more than music. It must be attempted through enlightened dialogue and elevated consciousness. I trust our President in these matters for I think he has that elevated consciousness and I have never wavered in that assessment of him. (But, your are right that music helps!) And, as you have stated in the past, consciousness can grow, even when societies have been oppressed by others as in the Middle East, especially with concentrated attempts to that end. We saw that happen in America firsthand through the efforts of MLKJr. and his nonviolence principles based upon enlightenment.

-Alex, I am sorry to have misinterpreted you. Your style of writing is the antithesis of mine. It occurred to me that you might have meant your post in support of part of what I posted, but I am not familiar with your Saturday NIght anaogy so that also contributed to a limitation to my understanding your post. I do think, however, that you could learn something from Paul Krugman and your biases toward him also contributed to my misunderstanding of your intent. I do not appreciate being mocked repeatedly by you simply because I concur with much of Krugman’s thinking. Krugman showed tremendous courage, as a credible journalist, to speak out for the reason the deficit ran up to 10 trillion dollars under Bush (from almost a balanced budget under Clinton), but I believe he spoke truth, and I had thought the same thoughts before he published his 2/22/10 column.

I will never be less serious than I am, nor do I care to be. I do not come to this blog to joke around with posters. I come here to share truth as I see it. You might say that the educator is in my blood – and I mean that quite literally going back for centuries, within my father’s German roots

More to other posters in my next post.

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“What Obama is doing to gain power is very close to how Hitler came to power”

Got any specific, comparative examples…just for our amusement?

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Doggone — “Got any specific, comparative examples…just for our amusement?”

I think that Obama being elected to the Senate must = Kristallnacht and his first inauguration probably = burning of the Reichstag. His second inauguration will probably be compared with the Anschluss.

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What Obama is doing to gain power is very close to how Hitler came to power.

Godwin’s Law, proven yet again.

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“Jerry Springeresque” in 3…2…1….

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MARYELIZABETH

What on earth would you expect Krugman to say? It takes no courage to always take the LIB side no matter what…Bush was responsible for the wars that is certain…had Clinton not benefitted (he states this himself) from tech segment run up and the resulting tax windfalls things may have been different..Bush inherited the quick demise of the dot.com bubble and I don’t call him complaining..

We got into wars, like all of them the since 1946, that we had no business getting into…they are expensive, especially when the objectives are vague at best..worse, when the dust settles and we are gone, everything will return back to pre-war normal.

Krugman injects too much politics into his economics for my taste…every GOP in our lifetimes can’t all be wrong anymore than all DEMS can be right…this is why Krugman isn’t taken as seriously by his peers that many others..

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Bill Campbell. Funny stuff…… kind of like. WMD, Saddam and Bin Laden were working together on 911, Deficits don’t matter, and mission accomplished……… you mean lies all similar to those ?

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Seems odd that Hostess couldn’t have “sweetened” the deal…

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