Mitt Romney, exit stage right. A little quicker, please …

I’m guessing Mitt didn’t learn from what the election showed. As a side note, how many ‘gifts’ would he have given if elected? Sauce & Goose come to mind.

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I read the newspaper article first, then this.

It removed any thoughts I’d been entertaining that if Mitt had won, maybe he’d have done okay.

As Gov Jindal put it, Mitt still doesn’t get it. Talk about a compartmented mind.

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I’m a proud Obama voter still waiting for my gift. I feel entitled to all that the constitution promises.

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Oh, do stick around, Mitt. Tell us more!

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Let’s not forget that Mooch Romney also wanted to eliminate capital gains taxes so that he wouldn’t have to pay a dime in taxes and could live off of those of us that work for a living.

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I read somewhere where Romney gets some sort of Federal Pension and bonus for running two consequetive Presidential campaigns…AND free Obamacare……for life.
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And he’s going to take it.
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wtf

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BRO

Rush? You? Really?

You gotta admit, BO is certainly giving away a bunch of free stuff…no denying that..

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Seems as if Mr. Romney’s a perfect example of the skyboxification (I love that term) of America. I don’t understand how any sane person could have ever thought that he would be capable of leading this country. He may be the best thing ever when it comes to running a company. He lacks the understanding necessary to run a country. This latest statement shows he was absolutly honest when he made that 47% comment, and I am glad he lost the election.

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You gotta admit, BO is certainly giving away a bunch of free stuff…no denying that..

Still waitin’ for mah phone!

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I was promised flying cars by now dammit.

Meet George Jetson….
His Boy Elroy….

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And yet people thought Romney was “out of touch”. I wonder why?

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or maybe Romney lost not because of PBO giving away lots of free stuff, but simply because Romney himself is a giant douche?

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And Mitt continues to be a loser.

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When people find they can elect people who will provide for them and they do not have to work for it, then they will all live in servitude. You mention “Free” for several item but nothing is free, somehow, somewhere, it has to be paid for. So when we all decide to sit on the front porch and do nothing, then waht….again, how stupid is the USA.

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Well Mitt is definitely derailing any chance of a cabinet appointment.

Smells like sour grapes to me.

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Mooch Romney loves his free stuff too. He just thinks it’s even sweeter when he steals it from workers pension funds.

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In all honesty, I do have to give Mitt credit where credit is due. Ever since the primaries, when my frineds and I wager 10k or more, we refer to it as “I’ll bet you a Romney”.

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“Everyone loves free stuff until they have to pay”

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You gotta admit, BO is certainly giving away a bunch of free stuff…no denying that..

Stevie Ray

The Rush comment was HUMOR!!!! Geez dude… Do you actually think I listen to that garbage??

As to giving gifts, every single damned politician that runs for office promises something to whatever group they want to get votes from. What free stuff has Obama given away that no other president has given away before him?

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Romney was going to give “gifts” to the Koch brothers, Adleson and others, so it’s logical that he’d think that’s how the game works.

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about this (Which, I admit, I’m hearing for the first time just now)

“With regards to African American voters, ‘Obamacare’ was a huge plus — and was highly motivational to African American voters. You can imagine for somebody making $25—, or $30—, or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare — particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 a family, in perpetuity

If you’re wondering where you’ve heard this kind of claptrap before…

http://mediamatters.org/video/2009/07/22/limbaugh-obamas-entire-economic-program-is-repa/152339

Mitt Romney = Rush Limbaugh on a better diet.

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The Republican’s can’t get over the fact they have become Dinosaurs and want to continue to separate the American public.

Their love of country is ONLY after their love of themselves, and their judgmental ideology.

Watch now how they will refuse to work with the president, at the expense of the nation.

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as long as the GOP is glued to Faux news and as long as Rush and O Reilly and Hannity continue to be the voice of the Right this attitude and message will continue to be delivered. I, as a Dem. Lib… hope they keep it up. 4 more years for us..Go HILLARY!!

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So the bottom line is, the candidate that “gives” the most…wins!

Romney’s gifts just weren’t as good as Obama’s gifts.

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Balance the budget!

Sure thing. Soon as we’re at 4% unemployment, we can focus on that.

Until then, it’s economically suicidal to be adopting major spending cuts.

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Best quote of the day:
“Conservatism isn’t really about the things it claims to be about. It isn’t really about free markets and moral values; it’s about authority — the authority of bosses over workers, of men over women, of whites over Those People.” Paul Krugman

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And rather ironic, coming from a guy who has avoided paying income taxes the last ten years using a complicated ruse to defer charitable giving.

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Stands,

You might want to plan for it now. Go ahead and discuss the programs we really need and those that can be trimmed. Waiting to some future pie in the sky day won’t cut it.

I’d like a little leadership on the issue today.

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“Truth Hurts, I guess. but it’s true. The only thing he left off was the Detroit bailout.”

I wonder if they will come in and bail out Hostess now? With only 18,000 employees, does that qualify them to be too big to fail???

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You might want to plan for it now. Go ahead and discuss the programs we really need and those that can be trimmed.

that is the sort of thing that should be studied by a few hundred bean counters working quietly in the background. Not front and center today.

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Patronage is as old as politics

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…of course since Mitt decided not to do what ever Presidential candidate since 1984 (I think) has done, and release his tax records going back more than a year, we have no idea what kind of “stuff” he’s received, not really.

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Or when Romney promised to shield those over 55 from exposure to his Medicare axe, that was a promise of free stuff to his base, senior citizens, and a play for the state of Florida.

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The Obama campaign was following the old playbook of giving a lot of stuff to groups that they hoped they could get to vote for them and be motivated to go out to the polls, specifically the African American community, the Hispanic community and young people. In each case they were very generous in what they gave to those groups.”
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Romney lost in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and several other states with “very low” African American and Hispanic populations. One thing is sure; Mitt Romney and the Republicans are on the WRONG side of history!!

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Sounds like Bobby might be better off switching parties. It’s never too late. The power-wielding part of the Democrat Party is the moderate part.

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Hard to believe that Bobby Jindal is the one crying from the inside of the GOP “I see stupid people” and all the others can do is blame their failures on how they were outsmarted by the “most incompetent president evah”.

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Mitt can now follow his money to the Cayman Islands.

Bye Bye Mittster the shytester

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As we observe the riots in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece due to austerity brought on by socialism and buying votes we see America’s future under Democrats. Obama clearly has no concern for our economic future in fact he seems to want that kind of future for our country.

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Mr. Romney believes that people who make $25,000 a year should spend $10,000 of it on health care. And he wonders why people support health care reform.

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It appears Romney is still listening to Limbaugh and FOX. I am still surprised by how many still don’t get the idea that 100% of the votes are up for grabs. The rush to now garner the Latino support is telling in it’s lack of thought and vision. Why do you think Black people have supported the democrats for all these years?

Is the offer on the table to Latino’s going to be much different from what you could offer other groups of color? Is there a specific thing that makes Latino’s more amenable to switching there vote after one election?

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Bean counters don’t make decisions. Our elected leaders do. I’d like them to start leading.

Leadership would mean stating quite clearly, that we will begin paring back spending once unemployment is down to what’s considered near-full-pool, i.e., 4%. I’ve no problem whatsoever with the President stating that. I wish he would! And if pressed for specifics, he could speak of hypothetical cost-benefit analyses, wherein we could (for example) determine the impact of allowing privately funded enterprises to handle more of some publicly funded operations.

I know that wouldn’t satisfy the deficit hawks, but to put it nicely, f-ck those guys.

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what a ton of drivel from so many …. nothing here to see.

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Recon 0311 2533

November 15th, 2012
8:28 am
As we observe the riots in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece due to austerity brought on by socialism
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Balderdash

History Revised

Piffle

Can you say Angela Merkel and David Cameron response to recession?

Oh wait…

You’re still listening to the media that lied to you.

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Mittens doesn’t get it! Plus, the Republican Party has lost their way! He blamed everything and everyone except himself. President Obama doesn’t win elections by giving gifts; he wins election because he has something intangible yet of intrinsic value to give to the American people… honesty, integrity and character. He also means what he says! Many in the pub party just don’t get it! Plus, you don’t win elections by lying to the people, discounting women, children, old people, minorities, health care and dogs. Contrary to Wall Street, this country isn’t just …all about the almighty dollar! Also, the 47 percent do matter.

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“The dumb, oh, it burns.”

Then get your head out from where the sun doesn’t shine and wash your face. Maybe the burning will stop and you’ll see things more clearly.

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Wow, Romney still can’t comprehend that he lost the election.

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DannyX

November 15th, 2012
8:32 am

You are spot on…don’t discount the amount of welfare spending under Nixon either..

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southpaw:

You want to compare Krugman to an Ayn Rand worshiper? Williams has a Nobel prize in economics? Must have missed that in his bio.
But I did see this nugget of “wisdom”:
“He has said of Ayn Rand’s 1967 work Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal that it is “one of the best defenses and explanations of capitalism one is likely to read.”"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Williams

Anyone who take Rand’s fiction seriously has mental problems.

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“this country isn’t just …all about the almighty dollar!”

None of the things you care so deeply about would happen without “the almighty dollar.”

Money….we all need it! Don’t believe me? Just ask your union leadership how important the boss’ money is!

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Stevie Ray

I’d say when comparing the growth in welfare vs the accumulation of wealth amongst the top 10% or even 1%, one could surmise that the welfare group is losing. I think one of the reasons why we’re becoming more “dependent” on welfare is due to wage stagnation over the past 40 years. If the bottom 90% saw wage growth anywhere near the rate of the income and wealth growth of the top 1%, we wouldn’t need half the welfare spending we currently have.

The way I see it, it’s all interlaced, and you can’t solve one problem without addressing others. If we increase jobs here with decent wages, you decrease the number of people who need welfare to make ends meet. Increasing jobs also increases revenue to the government for budgeting and other programs. What’s required to get the whole ball started would be for the top 1% to slightly decrease their ingestion of wealth/income and push it back into the economy to spike demand. I just don’t see that happening though.

As to listening to Limbaugh, I would much rather clean my ears with sandpaper-wrapped rusty barbed wire attached to a jackhammer.

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‘439K new jobless claims…. Ouch’

And the fact that you leave out the part about the affect from Sandy tells everyone all they need to know about your psychosis…

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“None of the things you care so deeply about would happen without “the almighty dollar.””

Wasn’t it Jesus who said “Blessed is the almighty Dollar”?

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Robert Reich has the plan:

A 2% surtax on the wealth of the richest one-half of 1 percent would bring in another $750 billion over the decade. A one-half of 1 percent tax on financial transactions would bring in an additional $250 billion. Add this up and we get $2 trillion over ten years. Raise the capital gains rate to match the rate on ordinary income and cap the mortgage interest deduction at $12,000 a year, and that’s another $1 trillion over ten years. So now we’re up to $3 trillion in additional revenue. Eliminate special tax preferences for oil and gas, price supports for big agriculture, tax breaks and research subsidies for Big Pharma, unnecessary weapons systems for military contractors, and indirect subsidies to the biggest banks on Wall Street. End the Bush tax cuts on incomes between $250,000 and $1 million, and — bingo: $4 trillion over 10 years.

And we haven’t had to raise taxes on America’s beleaguered middle class, cut Social Security or Medicare and Medicaid, reduce spending on education or infrastructure, or cut programs for the poor.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/what-president-should-propose-grand-bargain-reduce-deficit

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Mr. Romney can’t seriously believe what he says. It’s so bigoted and untrue. Someone needs to gag him and give him some prozac/lithium. Quickly.

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“Wasn’t it Jesus who said “Blessed is the almighty Dollar”?”

JAY!!!!
Tell DannyX that we republicans are the only ones that can use “Jesus quotes”!!

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“Romney lost in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and several other states with “very low” African American and Hispanic populations.”

News to me. Oh well. Carry on.

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I wonder how many of those jobless claims are where Sandy messed with their workplaces.

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Recon 0311

“As we observe the riots in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece due to austerity brought on by socialism and buying votes we see America’s future under Democrats”

You really ought to read Jay’s comments before you post. That way, you’ll at least sound a little bit thoughtful.

” When Romney, in the first debate, promised a tax cut to the middle class, he wasn’t promising them a gift? When he wooed his backers on Wall Street by telling them that he would repeal Dodd Frank, abolish the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau and lower corporate taxes, that wasn’t promising a gift?

When he went to Viriginia to promise to build even more nuclear-powered submarines that just happened to be built right there in Virginia, that wasn’t a gift? When he went to coal country to promise to weaken environmental regulations that protect the air we breathe, that wasn’t a gift? When he traveled to Florida to promise to replace $716 billion in Medicare funding allegedly cut by the Obama administration, that wasn’t a gift?”

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It’s worse than I thought…our esteemed GA Rep, Chip Rogers is pushing the ‘crazy’ beyond the bounds of mere human comprehension…the man is a God-like visionary…

‘President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as “Delphi” to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities.’

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/georgia-senate-gets-52-minute-briefing-united-nations-takeover

Not even Jindal is gonna bother trying to talk this dude down…

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It’s the GOP base vs minorities. Yep, that’s the winning formula Mitt.

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Finn, I’m going to lift your 8:45 and post it elsewhere, if that’s okay with you.

Even if it’s not, I’ll do it anyway!

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BRO

I don’t disagree with a word you said…but if the topic is Romney’s comment, there is no small grain of truth..however, it’s not like it is news…

Romney’s only a victim of himself…he could have won…but…

Regarding Rush, try listening to Big Ed someday…he is clearly the Rush of the left…that Lawrence O’donnell’s bs is only exceeded by John Gibson..

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So, now the GOP says socialism caused the economic problems in Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Portugal and Spain. I guess the they couldn’t figure out how to blame Jimmy Carter, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

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DownInAlbany

What about Pres Obama’s actions regarding Libya do you regard as a failure of leadership? You wanted him to what, land ground troops to overthrow Gaddafi?

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If we’re going to be about freedom, Jay, then we have to be about those individuals and, yes, parties that will help us to be just that.

And if we can’t be free without good health, an education, control over our bodies and families, and, of course, jobs and the right to climb the ladder of achievement, no matter what the color of our skin, then we can’t be free, period.

And who is it offering us these viable necessities we need to make it happen, I mean, besides that absolutely insulting “ go borrow money from your parents”? We elected him, sir, and thank holy God we did. With us and him and Him, we can ALL get there from here!

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Banderson — “So, now the GOP says socialism caused the economic problems in Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Portugal and Spain. I guess the they couldn’t figure out how to blame Jimmy Carter, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.”

I guess it finally sunk in that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae couldn’t have caused the crash, either, sinec neither FHLMC nor FNMA did business in any of the *other* countries where the RE market collapsed.

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“My dream is an American without a class system.”

There’s no such thing as a “classless” society. That’s a pipe dream.

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So let me get this straight: When Romney, in the first debate, promised a tax cut to the middle class, he wasn’t promising them a gift?

For people who despise taxation as such, viewing it as theft, it follows very logically. Nice trick, huh?

But we shouldn’t laugh and gloat too much — the liberal disease — but rather should see Mitt Romney’s stunning arrogance and contempt for democratic rights as perfectly typical of the ruling elite in this country, one that ultimately includes both parties. These people will eventually stop at nothing to ram cuts down the people’s throats without the slightest regard for those people’s wishes or needs.

These people are absolutely ruthless – and without the slightest trace of shame.

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This article was well written. In the end…OBAMA 2012!!!! I’m so happy he won. May God Bless him, his familly, Biden, his family and President Obamas’ administration.

OBAMA 2012!!!

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don’t remember conservs clamoring for scooter or cheney’s scalp when the outed a cia agent

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“I’m aware the jobless numbers are affected by Sandy.”

RB, are you sure you didn’t see the headline then rush over here to deliver your “good” news?

After all, you are the one that saw a billboard and used it to declare the real estate market sound a few years back.

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If there is a “real” Mitt Romney, then these remarks reflect who he is and how he sees. He is not in Obama’s league. Romney sees humanity with a hierarchial vision; Obama sees with an egalitarian vision. Many of our top CEOs see with the same hierarchial vision as does Romney.

That is why it will be destructive to America’s egalitarian vision if these same corporate CEOs are given the power to control our public schools, just as some of these CEOs attempted to control their employees’ votes. Vision is fundamental to what America becomes. Romney’s vision of humanity is essentially a petty, small-minded, limited vision, not an expansive, inclusive one. Thank God he was not elected to be America’s President, with the power to represent and to mold our nation to his vision. This election was pivotal. Providence, imo, took a hand in shaping our destiny.

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Louisiana Governor office is term limited and Jindal cannot run after his term is done. Otherwise I bet he would not survive a primary challenge from one of the wing nuts after these statements. Therein lies the problem with the GOP. Now they will label Jindal & Christie RINOs and purge them for the sake of purity.

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Morning, Joe Hussein Mama

“Anyone want to take a stab at explaining the conservative ‘why’ ot this?”

Maybe because conservative power brokers want to add LDS to their list of suspect people because they aren’t really as conservative as they were made out to be?

You’d have thought that race a couple years back in Arizona, where the LDS guy went down to a flaming defeat in a predominately LDS district (polls showed a majority of LDS thought that extreme conservatism did not reflect practicing their religious values) would have given them a clue.

Then again, there’s always Harry Reid if they’re that clueless.

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kchi- My American Dream is not to be in the middle class. My dream is an American without a class system. Thank you.

All we have to do is get rid of those evil rich people. That will fix everything. The problem with your Demwit utopia is someone still has t clean the toilet.

Liberalism: Not going to be happy until everyone is as miserable as we are!

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It is so wonderful that this creep is not going to be president. He lives in a dream world and it is best that he stay there. What a whiner. He lost because not enough American were fooled.

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DownInAlbany

November 15th, 2012
8:56 am

President Obama meeting with Bon Jovi? Are you serious (rhetorical)? You supported Romney? Sorry to hear that. Had your party not spent the last four years doing what you continue to do now you might have supported the winner.

Get you head out of your…the sand and come to grips with the fact that people saw the Bush debacle as a legitimate claim for the president to make. They understood the expenditure was necessary to correct prior poor judgment and as our economy continues to improve the Euro zone has slipped back into a recession. A recession that’s fueling riots in Spain and rising right wing violence in Greece. Mind you these countries have instituted the policies championed by those on the right in this country.

Get your head where you can breathe. You might want to start by getting out of Albany.

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Michael Dice

Did you shop a pre-Thanksgiving sale on tinfoil hats?!!?

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I see that even though Obama won, many here still are detached from reality.

There was no voter mandate.

Obama won a little over 50% of the popular vote and carried 26 states plus DC.

Yes, he had a big Electoral College number – see popular vote.

The second dillusion is that simply by Obama winning the Right is going to roll over. Not going to happen.

As to Romney’s remarks, I don’t understand why they were necessary even if true. The black vote was Obama’s regardless and would not have changed without Obamacare. See Colin Powell and Oprah Winfrey.

As to Hispanics, they are respected in the white community over blacks not because of color but work ethic. It is disappointing they choose the nanny state over Liberty. As to work ethic – see Obama and golf.

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‘The black vote was Obama’s regardless and would not have changed without Obamacare. See Colin Powell and Oprah Winfrey.’

Dude, you have issues…

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Quite honestly, this man brings out the worst in me. I find myself hoping he will have a nervous meltdown one of these days

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Paul — “Maybe because conservative power brokers want to add LDS to their list of suspect people because they aren’t really as conservative as they were made out to be?”

Hmm. That’s a rather novel take, and one I hadn’t considered. Have you heard it articulated anywhere else?

My wife and I will have to discuss this; as I’ve mentioned before, her family left the LDS when she was a kid.

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W Rychart

November 15th, 2012
9:15 am

“There is no question that Romney is spot on. Future elections will be a bidding war between the two parties for the Hispanic vote.”

That’s ridiculous! The Democrats don’t have to bid for something they already have. The fact that Republicans can only see the Latino vote as all it needs to tip the scales will be seen as disingenuous to that community as it is to everyone else who’s looking at it.

Concentrating solely on the Latino vote is a shortsighted strategy. Jeez, I hope the Republicans get smarter than that. These are minor league ideas on a major league playing field.

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See, that’s the trouble with you liberals, Bookman. You think that it’s a “gift” that Romney pledged a tax cut for the middle class. How is it a gift when you already own the money? You’re so programmed to believe the government has a right to everyone’s wallets that you think at tax CUT is a GIFT. This is exactly the ruin of our country–viewpoints like yours. Awaiting the revolution…..

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Committee meeting. Back later today.

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The Obama “gift” to the car industry was part of what saved this country from going into a depression. Bush’s bail out of the banking industry saved the rich not this country, and left a weak interpretation of free enterprise. Wall Street reminds me of these antiquated law firms where a young energetic mind is put into the labor pool while a decaying feeble mind of seniority is giving the corner office and supported by the pool. Failure is part of the formula of success but the easy credit of Wall Street allowed for a soft car industry, easy sells, and no accountability, allowed no room for failure. The work force didn’t receive this windfall of entitlement; it was the rich, the investors, and the Ivy League executive with the silver spoon path to the top.

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What a freakin’ jerk!!!!!

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Brosephus,

“As to giving gifts, every single damned politician that runs for office promises something to whatever group they want to get votes from. What free stuff has Obama given away that no other president has given away before him?”

This is not true. Typically in each election the Republican candidate promises more opportunity and freedom while the democrat candidate promises to seize from one group and give to another. The latter was amplified in this election which probably means good news for you and others on this board. While it’s tempting to take what’s given, in the long run it’s not good for the country or the person on the take. No self-respecting person can feel good about oneself living a life in this manner.

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Awaiting the revolution….

Better stock up on canned goods – it’s gonna be a mighty long wait.

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‘I guess the reason I stop short of pointing out to them that the only reason for their hatred thats left is their bigotry, is that I want us to remain ‘friends’…’

Dawg, I have struggled similarly, but, I get bogged down with the bigotry angle when I consider how much these same people HATED Bill Clinton. The hate is similar…the reasons for it seem to be malleable…

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Wow this is the right and there idiots, what about all the people who voted for Obama in Ohio, Mich, who have jobs do they want free stuff two?

How about all people in Paul Ryan District who voted for Obama do they want free stuff? The rest of the country saw what a fake Romney was, only the confederates of the south who receives more assistant from the gov because the south leads in poverty voted for these idiot.

How about all the whites in Iowa, VT, Main, RI, Wi, who voted for Obama? this is why the Rep and the conservatives southern white male are on the decline and no one takes them serious anymore.

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part of the reason is they have theirs and do not want other to get it…..but what i don’t understand is why most of these middle americans dont rebel against corporate captains. greed at top at all time high. and they think their ship don’t stink

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Wah wah wah

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It’s here! It’s here! UPS just dropped off my Obama gift!!! I love it! Thank you so much President Obama.

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“How about all people in Paul Ryan District who voted for Obama do they want free stuff?”

I wonder if Paul Ryan voted for Obama? After all, Ryan scored a lot of free stuff for his district using Obama stimulus funds.

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“Dawg, I have struggled similarly, but, I get bogged down with the bigotry angle”

Bigotry is not only race related. Bigots come in all stripes and colors and have many targets. Party affiliation economic status, education…all can trigger bigotry. And in the case of Clinton, they all did.

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When will the right face the truth, young voters dont listen to scum bags like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Neal B. this works with confederate voters in the south who still live in the 20th century who pretends they hate gov but receive all the gov benefits pell grants, ssi, va checks, medicaid. .

Stand in line Romney with McCain, Rush, Hannity and the rest of the southern conservatives white males who Obama has defeated, the 21st century is hear and there is nothing you can do about it.

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Romney lost because he reminds working Americans of the boss they hate. Someone more concerned about short term profits or “flips” that they cut everything that provides a stable long term ecosystem.

Even beggars are American; one’s self worth should not be based on how much money they make or IQ. It should be based on the blood, sweat, and tears of the humble and the self sacrifice to raise others up.

I didn’t see sacrifice or sweat with Romney, I saw someone who was just a better poker player.

Government needs to understand about the ecology of being American. You open up free trade with countries that do not have the same standard of living as America does and you only end up lowering your own standard of living to support theirs. And what do you get for it? A .10 cent cheaper bauble or shiny piece of plastic crap.

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“Yes, he had a big Electoral College number – see popular vote.”

it’s only a landslide when a republican wins 300+ electoral college votes

right?

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Ever wonder why he lost ?? Not me….

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paul, true armitage first. but i seriously doubt novak would have done his little hit job without corroboration by rove. we know scooter and cheney were working on discrediting joe wilson for telling the truth. to borrow lindsey’s expression “they were up to their eyeballs in it”. i don’t recall if novak called them before story but they sure scrambled after story and scooter fell on his sword.

and georgie said he was gone get to the bottom of it, but didn’t. and he did not pardon scooter.

add this to the fact that cheney leaned on cia and most likely influenced wmd critical thinking. how many lives lost there.

did you call for mcnamara or westmorelands scalp when they covered up viet nam….

i want the truth to come out; but for mccain & graham (two peas in pod & liars to boot about iraq

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‘Will CNN/AJC find new meanings to words to excuse Obama for lying to America?’

When ‘lying to America’ consists of calling an attack on our consulate as ‘triggered by a spontaneous protest’ vs ‘a terrorist attack,’ you REALLY do not have much…

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If Romney is to be believed (always a dicey proposition) then he and his team should really be in the running for the 2012 Joseph Goebbels Memorial Believe Your Own Propaganda At All Costs Award. If they didn’t see this loss coming, when most polls in the last SIX MONTHS of the campaign showed him trailing, sometimes by a little, sometimes by a lot, but nearly ALWAYS trailing, then they suffered one of the biggest reality disconnects ever. Honest, guys – you need to watch more than Fox to get a feel for what’s going on in “the real world”, wherever that may be. Well, what the heck could we expect from a candidate who couldn’t even remember his real name..?

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We should look carefully at the “hearings” chaired by Rep Issa(R-CA) and his outing of a CIA agent, an active CIA operation and possibly the death of some of those who supported the operation in Libya.

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I’ve been trying to figure out what the conservative angle is in sharing this with the world. I could see why a liberal site might release this, but I’m still scratching my head over why a *conservative* site would.

I read some of the comments and I’m still a bit puzzled. Perhaps the simplest answer is also the least interesting one–this online contributor found this factoid interesting and wanted to generate some discussion?

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“Ever wonder why he lost ?? Not me….”

nope.

the only thing I wonder is how he did as well as he did

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I’m not surprised at Romney, and while some of Jindal’s policies on education (my interest) aren’t very smart, glad to see at least one Republican tries to think about everyone. Maybe he even realizes “trickle-down” economics don’t – the data are excruciatingly clear if any Republicans would look at such – and have never done anything except widen the income gap. (But I’ll not hold my breath.)

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Ahhhh, memories…

Remember when the Bush Admin, Fox and the usual bullspitters adopted the mantra re: the surplus: ‘The gov’t is taking too much of your money and we intend to give it back.’

During record surpluses…crickets…

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wow…

Maybe because conservative power brokers want to add LDS to their list of suspect people because they aren’t really as conservative as they were made out to be?

I’m so old I can remember when I was the guy who was willing to occasionally assume the absolute worst of America’s conservatives, and Paul was the guy occasionally reining me in.

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my November 15th, 2012
8:24 am
correction:

“Romney lost in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and several other states with “very low” African American and Hispanic populations.”
Correction: Obama lost in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and several other states with “very low” African American and Hispanic populations.”

Obama won in:

Oregon Population Race White Race Black Race Hispanic
3,871,859 88.6% 2.0% 12.0%

Nevada 2,723,322 77.7% 8.6% 27.1%

Iowa 3,062,309 93.0% 3.1% 5.2%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html

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Yes the president offered “gifts”, Yes Romney offered “gifts”, it’s called pork in D.C. and they all do it , end of story.. For the repubs to improve, self evaluation must occur, end of story…

Yesterday someone wanted a good reference regarding the players of the mortgage debacle, on further thought.. I think that “reckless Endangerment ” is an excellent overview of the platers in this story from Fannie Mae to AIG, to the Texans west of Dallas to the Senator from conneticut. They are all there.

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The loser is not Mitt, but the American People. We will have 4 more years of the same failed Obama’s policies, with no growth and more taxes. Mitt was right about the 47% of people who are just getting something from the government without caring to pay taxes. It may be shocking for the liberals, but it is true.

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“You can imagine for somebody making $25—, or $30—, or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare — particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 a family, in perpetuity”

Does anyone but me read this with incredulity? 10K for a family earning 25-35K is roughly 30% of what they earn … how else are they going to get health care, they certainly can’t pay for it.

At a macro level there are 3 basic options:
1. We as a country fund it paying for it through our taxes.
2. Its funded by hospital emergency room care, where we who can afford health care pay for it in increased health care costs. Or
3. They die.

People are going to get health care, either we pay upfront and manage it with some economies of scale and resulting efficiencies – or we pay at the back end in our increasing health care costs. But nobody should fool themselves into thinking we won’t be paying for the health care of those that can’t afford it.

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paul, good for you on standing up to the bs of some of our leaders. at least we can agree on that.

i think obama crazy to pursue afghan war, any idiot would know it is not conventionally winable. of course if there were a draft, i seriously doubt we would have been there in 2008.

every life lost there is total bs.

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Asians voted about 75% for Obama. 4.9% of Asians are on welfare, compared to 5.2% of whites. So how do the Mitts of the world explain that?

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In case some of you do not know the definition of “DEFEAT”….it is defined below and you will have to deal with it for 4 more years…

NOUN:

The act of defeating or state of being defeated.
“Failure to win”.
A coming to naught; frustration: the defeat of a lifelong dream.
Law The act of making null and void.

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Anybody see the Ramirez cartoon in the dead tree version of the AJC this morning? Absolutely hilarious (as usual) and appropriate to this topic:

http://www.investors.com/editorial-cartoons/michael-ramirez/633207-barack-obama-election-2012-free-stuff

Parenthetically, Luckovich has gotta hate having the Ramirez cartoon so often on the editorial page these days. When contrasted to Ramirez, Luckovich’s crude, third-grade artwork and his dullard editorial wit is exposed for all to see.

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Obama the best president the far left news media can get elected. Now prepare for hard times.

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okay, F Sink … I’ll play …

give me one quote where Obama promises “free stuff”

much like the oft-quoted “messiah” complex, this is a myth perpetuated by the right.

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“Obama the best president the far left news media can get elected”

OR … Mitt was the best candidate that not even FOX news could elevate above his mediocrity

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“When I check out at Walmart do I just tell them I’m part of the 47% that doesn’t pay and they take the tax off my bill?”

… and the gas you put in your car and the taxes you pay on your house, etc …

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Asians voted about 75% for Obama. 4.9% of Asians are on welfare, compared to 5.2% of whites

Tom has uncovered the Yellow Peril Plot where they all aspire to collect welfare and talk on Obamaphones all day.

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Remember when I was the token neocon around here? (grin)

I know Paul’s left, but for the noobs here–Paul and I used to actually *argue.*

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“Paul and I used to actually *argue.*”

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the no-call list was him? I thought that was Clinton

UnU, the no-call list was signed into law by GW Bush in 2003.

If you’re trying to attribute it to an earlier president, you actually have to go back to GHW Bush’s efforts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_Consumer_Protection_Act_of_1991

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Paul @ 10:14. That is what I think should have happened as well.

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Bobby Jindal’s analysis seems far to logical for him to be part of the Republican party. he isn’t denigrating those unfortunate enough to be born poor, he isn’t mentioning that the rights of the upper class are ‘God Given’, he isn’t quoting Ayn Rand. Is he considering changing to the Democratic party?

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Recon:
“As we observe the riots in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece due to austerity brought on by socialism

Camelfeathers!
On a Socialism Scale, all these countries rank near the bottom.
In the middle are Germany, France, Austria, Holland.
By far, the most generous Socialistas are the Scandinavians.

The problems in these sub-prime countries are not caused by “Socialism Run Amuk”,
but by “Banksters Gone Wild”.

tip: stop watchin’ that Faux Nuze

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Jay spins and his minions agree. Obama gave, Romney just promised, big difference. Otherwise, Gitmo would be closed, unemployment would never have gone above 8%, only 5,000 additional troops would have been deployed to Afghanistan, and taxes on the rich would have already reverted to pre-Bush rates. That’s stuff Obama promised in ‘08, none of which he delivered.
And after Obamacare the biggest gifts were the 2% SS reduction and the GM bailout, neither of which were mentioned. Obama spent almost his entire first term buying votes for his re-election. Great stregy, ti worked. But at what cost to America?

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This country needs a GOP enima

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During the campaign Romney was against the Dream Act before he was for it, and now I guess he’s against it again. He hasn’t gotten the idea that truth counts. Must come from being a Mormon missionary.

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stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
10:17 am

Remember when I was the token neocon around here? (grin)

I know Paul’s left, but for the noobs here–Paul and I used to actually *argue.*
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Progs don’t “argue”.
They whine.
If you live in Washington…….they whine as they divide the loot.

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Jay, giving benefits to a low income worker gets their vote, no question. It is a gift because they keep doing what they are doing and get more. Offering a coal miner the opportunity to mine or a boat builder the opportunity to build a boat is WORK. he offered JOBS, the opportunity to possibly achieve more through effort not hand outs. If the difference is not clear to you a person who made the art of language and literature their carer that concerns me. Further to the point if you are suggesting that adding up the votes of submarine builders, bankers, and coal miners out counts the sum of low income American families? its a good thing you went into literature because math is not your strong suite. In my opinion (and I’m willing to admit that what it is) Republicans were not trying to win by targeting Bankers who wanted Dod Frank repealed they were trying to keep and create jobs for more HARD working (key words here) Americans.

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Mary Elizabeth

November 15th, 2012
9:52 am

Paul Krugman, today:

“Some of us see an increasingly, radically unequal America, with rising inequality actually reinforced by public policy, with tax rates on the rich lower than they have been in many decades and the overall redistributive effect of government down substantially since the 1970s. But the right sees an entitlement epidemic, in which the big problem is that too many people are getting free stuff.
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Schumer tool………………….with passion.

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Since the ridiculous petitions to secede will never have enough signatures to amount to anything…

If you are one of those who feels like that, take the only route
dictated by personal responsibility.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/08/how_to_renounce_your_citizenship.html

And I bet a pitcher of martinis that not a one of them have the stones to do it.

Wimps.

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I wish Romney would have won. I was looking forward to my free Etch-a-Sketch.

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Mitt is nothing more than a salesman which means he’ll say anything to get the sale. A majority of the country wasn’t ready to buy from him. That’s about as simple as we can say it.

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“Surprise! Jobless Claims Up 78,000 Week After Election; PA, OH Worst Hit”

You reap what you sow !

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Romney lost because he offered jobs to a country that doesn’t want to work!

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Romney is leading the charge over the cliff for the Republican Party.

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Mitt Romney, Karl Rove, et al, have found a new scam–promising billionaires lower taxes in exchange for their monetary support. Cons conning cons.

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GOP DENIAL PRICELESS

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WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) – “As President Barack Obama is set to begin his second term, new statistics on America’s poverty rate indicate that nearly 50 million Americans, more than 16 percent of the population, are struggling to survive.”

That’s with just four years of Obama. Get ready people ………. you get what you wish for !

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I’d say that Obama gave the nation the best gift of all: keeping Romney’s stupid self OUT of the White House!! That’s a gift I’ll GLADLY take!!

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Even Kyle told everyone on his blog to stop the secession stuff. It is childish and he’s right.

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you guys sound like Vilma

Flintstone?

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When longtime wealthy politicians cannot win an election running against a
foreign born anti-colonialist community organizer they should shut up and
listen to what the people are telling them.
Bloomberg/Trump2016

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I heard from some late night comedian that the 25,000 votes for Texas to succeed were all from out of state..

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Giving Healthcare to all is a noble pursuit, but not a practical one. And if Obamacare gives me and others free healthcare

Free healthcare?

Educating yourself about a topic might be a good thing before posting.

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As a proud liberal/socialist I just want to give mitt a giant, “Thank you!”.
YOU were our secret weapon, Mitt! Your mouth…your deeds…they won us the election, they have given us the Supreme Court. You have pushed the United States to the left…hard! And maybe for a generation or more, gods willing!
Seriously…thank you, thank you, thank you!
PLEASE!!! Keep telling anyone who will listen your thoughts and philosophies.
But would you please not roof-rack the dog anymore???
Thanks!

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Thomas Heyward, Jr., 10:35 am

You left out the essential paragraph of Krugman’s thought. Let me post it for you:

“And I don’t think the Republican party as currently constituted can change this: after 45 years of the Southern strategy, this stuff is what defines the party’s soul.”

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Why Mitt already told you that you had free healthcare by just going to the emergency room…. do you people never listen to those you nominate?

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You are on I-285, there are no turns, Back to Atlanta Public Schools for you…

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O.K. romneycons please reveal the romneyplan that offered jobs.

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“I heard from some late night comedian that the 25,000 votes for Texas to succeed were all from out of state..”

Thats pretty funny Stevie Ray, but I don’t want Texas to go.

Texas is very rapidly trending blue. Can you imagine the nightmare Republicans will face when looking at the electoral college map with Texas colored blue?

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That Mitt Romney — One Class Act!

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On the bright side, with his election loss, Romney now qualifies as a Fox News spokesman. He’s free to appear on FNC anytime he wants and give his insights on how the guy that beat him really doesn’t know what he’s doing.

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The 47% starts this country on a downward spiral, hands out, ready for big government to help them…Obozo wants you dependent on him, that is why he won….with ObozoCare looming, do you think companies are going to hire people and try and grow, NO WAY, Obozo is anti business, I want to grow my business and prosper but his policies and climate he has created scare me to death

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He isn’t coping well with defeat so he blames it on everyone else.

Thats the “spoiled -given everything i’ve ever wanted-never had to do hard labor a day in my life- i DESERVE this- rich boy” attitude.

Cat: it really doesn’t matter now does it?

Obviously, to his voters, it NEVER mattered.

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Some of you people kill me with your stereotypes. You sit on your highhorses and look down at other people as leeches because they may be getting some government benefit. Meanwhile this SAME individual handed you your coffee through the Dunkin’ Donuts drivethrough this morning, or bagged your groceries at Publix or Kroger this morning, or even just walked into the restroom to clean up the piss that your trifling asses dump all over the floor around the urinals or scrub your feces from around the toilet because YOU were too damned nasty to clean up after YOURSELVES. You have ZERO perspective, yet you think you are the salt of the earth. To go along with that, many of you pretenders out here are really no further beyond those you ridicule and could find yourselves in the same situation in an instant. You’re just angry becaue SOMEONE ELSE tells you you should be. Pitiful.

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Romney was so arrogant he kept saying “When I’m President”, since he seemed to claim moral superiority, perhaps he should have read the verse that says,”pride goeth before a fall”. As for gifts, he was protecting the rich from higher taxes. Even Buffet says it’s not fair that his secretary pays higher taxes than he does.

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Wonder what would happen with Fortune 500 companies if they hired law professors instead of qualified MBA’s to run their operations. Only in government can the less qualified person be chosen for the job.

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“You do not use government spending to work your way out the financial ditch we are in, that is very basic….you create jobs, businesses do that, not the government”

ahnald is right. To create jobs you hand out massive tax cuts then start trillion dollar wars, and of course start socialist Medicare Part D drug programs. Spend and untax! Businesses do that, not governments. Or something like that.

All hail the job creators!!!!!!

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perhaps he should have read the verse that says,”pride goeth before a fall”.

Perhaps you should reread Proverbs 16:18

Pride goeth before destruction,

and a haughty spirit before a fall.

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“Wonder what would happen with Fortune 500 companies if they hired law professors instead of qualified MBA’s to run their operations. Only in government can the less qualified person be chosen for the job.”

Exactly Rich, what this country needs is a businessman like George W Bush with his MBA from that Ivy League university to lead us to economic utopia!

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“You do not use government spending to work your way out the financial ditch we are in, that is very basic….you create jobs, businesses do that, not the government”

Then why are “job creators” continually whining about what the government does? Just create the dam jobs!

Oh, I see – you can’t do that without your government handouts…uh huh…

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Jackie@8:04–But it is such a BIG family!

Well, he has plenty he can do. He can put several tens of thousands out of work, for example. He can offshore a whole boatload of money, for example. He can get his wife a new Caddy, for example.

He will NEVER be a senior statesman. Just an old, washed-up, political has-been who wasn’t liked by much of anybody.

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ahnaid, you got running water? Need I go on?

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Here’s how Mr. LOSER gets free stuff rom the government and makes millions on it without any disclosure in his presidential mandatory disclosures:
“”"”"”"”"”As Palast reported, a trust in Ann Romney’s name listed “more than $1 million” invested with Elliott Management, run by hedge fund guru and GOP mega-donor Paul Singer. (That’s the minimum amount of disclosure required by law, so it could have been much more than $1 million.) Singer subsequently snapped up large amounts of stock in Delphi at pennies on the dollar, and then, along with other hedge funds, demanded that the government assume pension responsibilities and bail the company out—or they would shut it down, thus crushing General Motors as well.

The government acceded, Delphi became lucrative again and then went public, and Elliott Management and its investors—including Romney—reaped enormous rewards.

Under any rational interpretation of the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, these are holdings that a presidential candidate would need to disclose, because they can be affected by government action. The Romney campaign doesn’t argue that they are not, but rather that, since Ann Romney’s trust is “blind,” there is no disclosure requirement.

Today’s letter points out, however, that Ann Romney’s trust is blind in name only. Romney himself has said that “the blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will. Which is to say you can always tell a blind trust what it can and cannot do.” Moreover, this is not a federally recognized blind trust of the sort Romney would be forced to create if he won the White House. If it was, he would have never been able to reap his windfall from Delphi, the letter points out.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170967/did-mitt-romney-break-law-failing-disclose-delphi-investments#
LIAR, LOSER, CHEAT, HYPOCRITE, DRAFT DODGER, INCOMPETENT CAMPAIGN MANAGER-
I hope the those rich SOBs who got fleeced by Romney and Rove use those words and sue his behind for a refund. Even his father would hate this Loser.

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I don’t think anyone has explained why anything to do with Mitt Romney is “news.” Why even mention his name? We get it…all things democratic = good; all things republican = BAD! Dang, is it going to be 4 years of “blame Romney?” Anything to deflect from Obama’s failed 1st presidency, I guess. O gets a pass from you people on everything. (and, I’m the one with my head up my ___! OoooKkkkk)

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ahnald
November 15th, 2012
11:11 am

And guess WHAT there skip?? YOU were one of the very people held in CONTEMPT by the person you are TODAY. Of course your perspective is gone because you have obviously forgotten where you came from!! I too have worked “those” jobs. I however have NEVER and WILL never forget where I have come.

Hilarious how you sit TODAY and gloat on how YOU “worked hard” because you were able to ultimately accumulate a little “something”, yet the people currently in the situation YOU were in at one time don’t get the same consideration. Indicative of the type of person you are.

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Romney lost because he offered jobs to a country that doesn’t want to work and has become Obama-dependent!

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Paul — “Which is why I said based on what we knew at the time. I believe the CIA never verified her status and gave a record of their reasoning until after the special investigation was concluded.”

The CIA wouldn’t *do* that before the investigation was over anyway.

They’re not in the habit of divulging classified info — or the fact that something *is* classified — unless there’s a pretty strong reason to do so.

“But the larger issue is still the number of people on the Left who think it was Cheney or Libby who ‘outed’ Plame.”

FWIW, there’s circumstantial evidence that implicates Cheney, and I personally feel that Rove and Libby conspired to protect him. That said, I recognize that I have no hard evidence to support my supposition.

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Krystals…you stereotyped those folks who you accused were stereotyping people on public assistance, “as people who “were too damned nasty to clean up after YOURSELVES. You have ZERO perspective, yet you think you are the salt of the earth. To go along with that, many of you pretenders out here are really no further beyond those you ridicule and could find yourselves in the same situation in an instant. You’re just angry becaue SOMEONE ELSE tells you you should be. “

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America wasn’t ready for a king and queen. Maybe Willard can put on a uniform and party with Jill and Scott Kelley. Better yet pay off their bills.

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some moron cried about jobless claims….does sandy ring a bell?

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Kamchak – T from the Steppes:
I didn’t mean for that to sound condescending – I’m simply arguing that if you see a third of your paycheck go to the federal government every month, you should be offended at the suggestion that a tax cut is a “gift” on par with a federal entitlement.

And even though your condescension was entirely intended, I’ll tell you that I don’t need to do myself any favors by googling federal excise taxes. They aren’t relevant to the point I was making.

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Don’t kid yourself that people who buy gas and cigarettes and alcohol are paying taxes on par with people who fork over a third or more of their paycheck to Uncle Sam.

Now you’re moving the goalposts.

I never asserted anything of the sort.

You said, “do you pay income taxes or federal taxes of any kind?”

Last time I checked federal excise taxes were a form of “federal taxes of any kind”.

I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night, sport.

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This whole Paula Broadway story is a smoke screen to keep folks away from the REAL story here.

They say the neon lights shine bright on Broadway….

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It should have been obvious that I was referring to federal payroll taxes.

Again — “or federal taxes of any kind”

You can’t even own your words without caveats.

Geez….

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Mr. Bookman,
you said, “So let me get this straight: When Romney, in the first debate, promised a tax cut to the middle class, he wasn’t promising them a gift? ”

No, it’s not a gift to give me back the money i earned.

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After the election, Romney should know better than anyone that money just can’t buy everything. Despite all odds, our President prevailed. He still has an uphill battle fighting a Red House which has blocked his every move in an attempt to squash his goals of bringing the Middle Class equal pay, women’s rights, gay rights and affordable healthcare. The Bush Administration drove our economy into a swift nose dive and Obama is still the patsy. Watch conservative hands paint him in Blackface with a visual commentary of how Barack has been bamboozled at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html

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“No, Tony, it’s not the money you earned. The money you earned has already been spent by your government. Any tax cut sending money back your way would be financed with money that is borrowed from the Chinese and others, money that your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be forced to repay on your behalf.”

Jay- I usually think you’re pretty level-headed and rational, even when I disagree with you. But this statement is indefensible. It contradicts private legal principals of contract, public legal principals of government debt and taxation and private property ownership. The government can’t spend our money; it can only spend its own. The government’s revenue is derived from private property (in this case wages). The United States Government is a distinct legal entity, and it is a participant in the private market. It has it’s own legal obligations and debt, and they are separate and distinct from ours. The best way – the only way – to describe the government’s relationship to our wages is that the government has borrowed massive amounts of money to pay its obligations. Its collateral for that that loan is its accounts receivable – aka, tax revenues.

Taking your statement to its logical conclusion, there would be no private property ownership as long as there is a budget deficit. Hopefully this is a case of a late-afternoon blood-sugar crash.

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You’re making my point. “We the people…” is the opening line in the The Constitution. The Constitution is the legal contract between the United States government and its citizens. All of the government’s authority is derived from the Constitution, and that authority is limited by the Constitution. The United States government is a distinct legal entity that can borrow money, enter contracts, spend money. It cannot spend my money, and I cannot spend its money. I cannot be sued for the debt of the United States government.

I’m general counsel for a private defense contractor, so this is not just an academic exercise for me. I can assure you that I see contracts which are executed in the name of the United States federal government every day. In every single respect, the United States government is an entity distinct from its citizens. The best analogy – in a private context – might be that United States is corporation and the citizens are shareholders.

I’m not saying that the fact that the government is borrowing money from China to pay its bills cannot have an adverse effect on the citizenry. For example, the credit rating of the US Government affects how much it costs to borrow money privately. But it is inaccurate to say that the government has already spent our wages. It has a lien on our wages as they are earned, but just like a bank has to foreclose on a house to be able to possess it, the government has to take the step of taxing our wages before it can spend them. Not that that even slows it down…

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DAMN. I missed out. The only gifts I got from any political campaign this year have been an in-box full of irritating e-mails.

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The great deceiver Mitt Romney has habitually lied to the American public. He also lied when he went to see Billy Graham just a few weeks before the election to get his endorsement of the Mormon Church.
Do you think he told Billy Graham about the secret Mormon Temple Ceremonies that involves secret temple oaths, laws of sacrifice and consecration involving Mormon theocracy, strict obedience and sworn secrecy of all the Temple rituals? And all this while dressed in white robes, white hats, green aprons and chanting with raised hands at temple altars.
Romney, the compulsive liar and deceiver told him nothing about this.
Do you think Billy Graham would have endorsed Romney and his Mormon church if he was aware of these clandestine Temple rituals?

Look for yourself. For the very first time in 170 years, the Mormon Temple Ceremonies have been filmed by secret undercover video, in the Salt Lake Temple Temple in Utah, this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM&feature=plcp

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The Republicans have two ways to get the 47% – push to give away more than the supreme leader, or wait until the whole thing crashes and burns, and hope folks come to their senses.

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Jason, you do not make your income in a vacuum. You make your income in a complex social interweaving that is America. You pay taxes to keep America viable so that you can continue to earn an income within America’s social structure.

George Washington, who was more prominent than any other American in founding our nation, first, as Commander-in-Chief of our military and, then, as America’s first President who laid the foundation for the survival of our nation, understood well the need for taxes to create a viable nation. It was not by happenstance that Washington was called ” The Father of Our Nation,” in his time.

From “Washington: A Life,” by Ron Chernow, p. 369

“The war continued to serve as Washington’s political schoolroom. Once again a harrowing winter forced him to think analytically about the nation’s ills. On both the civilian and military side of the conflict, he condemned slipshod, amateurish methods. America needed professional soldiers instead of men on short enlistments, just as it needed congressmen who stayed in office long enough to gain experience. Most of all Americans had to conquer their excessive attachment to state sovereignty. . . . Washington viewed the restoration of American credit as the country’s foremost political need, and he supported loans and heavy taxation to attain it. While fighting Great Britain, he pondered the source of its military power and found the answer in public credit, which gave the enemy inexhaustible resources. ‘In modern wars,’ he told Joseph Reed, ‘the longest purse must chiefly determine the event,’ and he feared that England, with a well-funded debt, would triumph over America with its chaotic finances and depleted coffers. . . .One virtue of a war that dragged on for so many years was that it gave the patriots a long gestation period in which to work out the rudiments of a federal government, financial mechanisms, diplomatic alliances, and other elements of a modern nation-state.”

And, from pages 424 – 425: “Washington also received a valuable education in finance from Robert Morris, who had raised money for the Continental cause on his own credit. Because the states had refused to collect their quota of taxes, Morris couldn’t service the sizable debt raised to finance the war. He warned that creditors ‘who trusted us in the hour of distress are defrauded’ and that it was pure ‘madness’ to ‘expect that foreigners will trust a government which has no credit with its own citizens.’ To end Congress’s servile reliance on the states for money, Morris proposed that it have the right to collect customs duties, and the fight for this ‘impost’ – the first form of federal taxation – became a rallying cry for proponents of an energetic central government.”

(It should be noted that the newly forming nation had so little money that it often could not pay the soldiers of the Revolutionary War who suffered great hardship including starvation, disease and death because of that fact, especially during the long, cold winters at Valley Forge. Washington, on several occasions, went to Robert Morris to ask for money to care for the needs of the soldiers of the Revolutionary War. Washington, who stayed with his men throughout their most dismal winters and rallied their resolve through his strength of will and who fought gallantly with his men in battle, often leading the way, lost money personally through his dedicated service to our nation and his efforts made our nation viable. You and I – and all of us today – are the beneficiaries of George Washington’s commitment and vision for this nation.)

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Mary-
That was artful, rational, and even beautiful prose. But what’s it got to do with the price of tea in China?

I think President Washington would agree whole-heartedly that a tax cut is not the same as a hand-out. Which, as I have to keep repeating, is the ONLY point I was making by commenting on this column. And incidentally, Mr. Washington would spit out his wooden teeth if you told him the percentage of our paychecks that gets withheld for taxes. Then he would go sit on his back verandah and smoke some of the fashionable new cash-crop he – and many other founding fathers – grew in abundance. Not tobacco.

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