Obama holds upper hand in budget confrontation

The reputations of pollsters Rasmussen and Gallup took a deserved beating in the 2012 election, but if nothing else they are still valuable when judged relative to themselves. Rasmussen, for example, now reports that President Obama’s job approval rating among likely voters is at 55 percent, his highest level in a Rasmussen poll since June 2009.

Gallup reports similar numbers:

jobapproval

That would seem to suggest that Republican denials notwithstanding, President Obama comes into negotiations on the so-called fiscal cliff with a considerable amount of leverage. Newly released numbers from a Washington Post/Pew Center poll confirm that assessment:

pewpost

Given that reality, it’ll be interesting to see the outcome of today’s secret ballot among House Republicans, who will be asked to elect a new chairman of the House Republican Conference. As we reported Monday, House Speaker John Boehner has thrown his support behind Cathy McMorris Rodgers, who qualifies as a moderate, if only within the very narrowly conservative House GOP caucus. If elected, she would also become the only woman in the House GOP leadership, which currently has no women holding any of the 21 House committee chairmanships.

However, those on the more conservative end of the very conservative GOP caucus are rallying behind Georgia’s own Tom Price. That includes House Budget chair Paul Ryan, fresh off his experience on the losing end of the presidential race.

A Price victory would constitute a pretty serious setback for Boehner and would indicate that when the time comes, the speaker would not be able to deliver GOP votes for the budget compromise that will be needed. It would also suggest that House Republicans have not yet learned the necessary lessons of the 2012 election, including the dangers of extremism and the wisdom of outreach to female voters.

If so, they are courting yet another reminder.

– Jay Bookman

642 comments Add your comment

Mick

November 14th, 2012
9:17 am

Let’s go off the “fiscal curb” and see what happens…

oops

November 14th, 2012
9:18 am

meh.

polls won’t matter for 24 more months.

zzzzzz

oops

November 14th, 2012
9:20 am

Mick 9:17 – nice demonstration of how libs are as loco at the right wing-nuts

oops

November 14th, 2012
9:21 am

5% GDP contraction from the cliff.

Obama and Congress will both be to blame if we go over.

oops

November 14th, 2012
9:23 am

Mick

November 14th, 2012
9:25 am

oops

The sky will not fall chicken little, it’s all about getting the best policy in place and has nothing to do with loco – which is synonymous with republican these days…

Stevie Ray

November 14th, 2012
9:25 am

Mick

I agree with you on this..won’t happen as my money is on the obligatory kicking of the can down the road or the cliff becoming reality but only for a short time to give perception that that will swing the pedulum in terms of balance more toward GOP

Despite what these BS polls say…one month of approval increase certainly isn’t noteworthy…since in another month it can plummet…I think this is a meaningless poll…of course whomever enjoys popularity gets a rise….

Welcome to the Occupation

November 14th, 2012
9:28 am

Seriously, Jay, no discussion of Obama’s likely role in carrying out the decisive dismantling of the New Deal? A Democratic president putting an axe to the root of the New Deal?

Like most liberals, you seem to take it as a foregone conclusion that Obama is in fundamental disagreement with the Republicans over the cuts when in fact he is really in line with them, just with minor disagreements over degrees.

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 14th, 2012
9:29 am

Obama holds upper hand in budget confrontation,
but the back hand is what counts.
.
The people are speaking.
200 million Americans not voting and secesh-fever in the air.
.
It don’t bode pretty.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 14th, 2012
9:29 am

So, the follow up question is … if Ryan is putting all his support behind Price and Rodgers wins anyway, does that mean we can never hear from that self-serving twit, Paul Ryan (who couldn’t even win his own state) ever again???

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 14th, 2012
9:30 am

Forward Liberty!

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:30 am

it’ll be interesting to see the outcome of today’s secret ballot among House Republicans, who will be asked to elect a new chairman of the House Republican Conference

at the risk of being nitpicky, I could’ve sworn that quite a few conservatives expressed some concern about certain legislative activities being conducted without complete transparency, few years back, and blaming that on the President.

Shouldn’t they be clamoring to know who voted for whom, this time around?

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
9:30 am

“Seriously, Jay, no discussion of Obama’s likely role in carrying out the decisive dismantling of the New Deal? A Democratic president putting an axe to the root of the New Deal?”

blogspot.com is ready when you are

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:31 am

secesh-fever in the air.

Heywould, you’ll be staring at some other shiny object next week.

Georgia

November 14th, 2012
9:32 am

They can only kick the can down the road. That’s all they ever do. Is that the same as printing money? Or is that just borrowing more? I don’t know.

Cherokee

November 14th, 2012
9:33 am

Mick is correct – let it happen. The sane people – in other words, anyone other than the Tom Prices of the world – will then be able to come back in January and restore most of the tax cuts and fix the tax code. Assuming they handle it fairly soon, there won’t be any damage to the economy.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
9:33 am

USinUK, Romney/Ryan not only lost in Wisconsin, it lost in Ryan’s own congressional district as well.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:34 am

It would also suggest that House Republicans have not yet learned the necessary lessons of the 2012 election, including the dangers of extremism and the wisdom of outreach to female voters.

Ya think?

I believe it will take another two or three more presidential beat downs – like the last two – before we see any movement back to the reasoned and reasonable center by the xenophobic, right wing fanatics that run the Lily White Party…

Welcome to the Occupation

November 14th, 2012
9:35 am

Doggone/GA,

what are you talking about, this is blogspot dude.

Michael

November 14th, 2012
9:37 am

Get the deal done and no games. Of course Grover and the Tea Party might not like compromise and will send you packing if your a Repulican. Lets see if you have any courage!

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:38 am

Was checking out the Omaha World Herald and there are even scumbag would-be secessionists in Nebraska! Granted, it is about 50 people probably, but still!

Republican insanity rules the day out there on the Tea Flavored traitor fringe…

alex

November 14th, 2012
9:38 am

call me simple ( my children do) , but will someone please read the X -axis on the diagram which I suspect is a timeline and tell me how someone understands it…….. Stats, the bane of my existence…..

larry

November 14th, 2012
9:39 am

USinUK, Romney/Ryan not only lost in Wisconsin, it lost in Ryan’s own congressional district as well.

But they , in turn, voted for him to back to Washington as a congressman.

Talk about your mixed messages.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 14th, 2012
9:39 am

“Obama holds upper hand in budget confrontation”

Most certainly, he laid the trap for the GOP and they stepped in it.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:39 am

To our elected leaders,

Lower the taxes on wages/earned income.

Increase the taxes on wealth/unearned income.

Thank you.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 14th, 2012
9:39 am

Do the outgoing members of the House get to vote or do the new members (after last Tuesday) get to vote?

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:40 am

blogspot.com is ready when you are

While I was inclined to lean in that direction upon first seeing Occupation @ 9.28–no. It IS on topic, actually. We’re talking about the sort of power that Obama, Reid and Pelosi have to wield and yes, it should matter to ordinary Americans that once again, the Dems look like they’re starting their negotiations from a surrender-monkey position.

For instance, I am not happy with the line in the sand being drawn at getting tip money from billionaires. Whoop de freekin’ do. The line in the sand should be that we are flat out not going to reduce Medicare or Social Security benefits, period, end of frickin’ story. And Obama isn’t doing that.

Get the KY ready, buy a larger size this time

November 14th, 2012
9:40 am

I accidentally found and posted on this site recently but after the news this am, I had to get Libs prospective.
News has confirmed that we now have a streak going. 5 straight years of 1 Trillion dollar deficit!!!!!!!
Now President Obama wants to double the tax amount previous to his comments per election. As a nurse, you may want to purchase a larger size of KY jelly to prevent the insertion as painless as possible.

arnold

November 14th, 2012
9:40 am

The secessionists are just another name for birthers. :-)

fedup

November 14th, 2012
9:40 am

I am pulling for Price to win. Crybaby Boehner lookout the nuts are coming after you.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
9:40 am

However, those on the more conservative end of the very conservative GOP caucus are rallying behind Georgia’s own Tom Price. That includes House Budget chair Paul Ryan, fresh off his experience on the losing end of the presidential race.

Not sure that I’d wanna be backed by a loser. Kiss of death.

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meh.

polls won’t matter for 24 more months.

zzzzzz

Awwwwwww, isn’t that just precious.

Our wittle bloomberg troll has a new sock-puppet.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 14th, 2012
9:41 am

“The people are speaking. 200 million Americans not voting and secesh-fever in the air.”

um. if people aren’t voting, then they are NOT speaking.

secesh fever??? more like secesh delerium. and it’ll end as pretty.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
9:41 am

Finn, members must be sworn in before they can vote. So only the current members of the House vote.

Stevie Ray

November 14th, 2012
9:41 am

Michael,

The best news to come out of election is that (hopefully) the far right fringe (tea party, norquist, evangelicals) will be the ones rendered much less relevant…the only thing as bad as a true neo-con is a progressive liberal…both create a reality that they desire as opposed to one that exists…

Mick

November 14th, 2012
9:43 am

stands

I agree, obama’s negotiating skills are poor, did he not learn? Don’t want to jump the gun, lets see how it plays out, he holds the best cards as of now…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
9:43 am

secesh delerium — the online petitions do not track the state where the person actually is when signing or if they are using real names (and signing up repetitively). In simple words, they are not votes, merely whining by some

larry

November 14th, 2012
9:44 am

The line in the sand should be that we are flat out not going to reduce Medicare or Social Security benefits, period, end of frickin’ story. And Obama isn’t doing that

I agree. I mean the age at which you can recieve full benefits should not budge. Who’s going to hire a 67 year old machinist after his plant closes ?

Stevie Ray

November 14th, 2012
9:44 am

USNUK

Seems to me those 200 million not voting are speaking and speaking loudly…they don’t think it matters and I have no reason to argue against that posture…most view and will view the government as a bunch of self serving wealthy folks…I think that is accurate….money, relection…all that matters…

Sometimes silence is the loudest voice…

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:44 am

Romney/Ryan not only lost in Wisconsin, it lost in Ryan’s own congressional district as well.

and therein lies my frustration. If Team Obama is really half the badass sociamalist crusaders they’d like us to believe, they’d be making very serious noises about going into districts like Ryan’s and running attack ads NOW, accusing these congressmen of cutting your Medicare and Social Security.

Now. Not later. Be willing to poison the well and back it up if those jerks continue to cry “but but Simpson Bowles! you promised you’d play nice and corporatist!”

SBinf

November 14th, 2012
9:45 am

“200 million Americans not voting and secesh-fever in the air.”

Right, the tens of millions of infants, children, toddlers, and teenagers didn’t vote. That’s really saying something!

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:45 am

those 200 million not voting

moochers.

Jm

November 14th, 2012
9:45 am

“durbin: mandate to tax the wealthy”

What a bunch of BS democrats are feeding their followers.

To be clear, democrats are proposing raising taxes on those who work for a living and make money via labor.

Obviously the wealthy make money mostly from capital.

And Obama is exacerbating bad policy by continuing to maintain differential tax rates between labor and capital.

Obama, one of the dumbest presidents ever.

fedup

November 14th, 2012
9:46 am

Jay, did Ryan run unopposed in his district?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 14th, 2012
9:46 am

Well, I expect they’ll pick this RINO for the post. When what we need is a maniac good solid Conservative Republican for that spot. Somebody that’s willing to help us Succeed from this librul guvmint and let us form our own guvmint where’s there’s no welfare or unemployment benefits and the bottom 90% pay 90% of the taxes. Fair is fair.

Just as long as I can take my Medicare and my share of the money for roads and water and courts and police with me. I mean, we want to Succeed from this Communist Kenyan Dictatorship, but we ain’t nuts.

It’s Hump Day everybody and that wind will pretty near cut you in half if you’re crazy enough to get out in it. Have a good one.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
9:46 am

I’m going to bring up my idea again; I’ve gotten some positive feedback on it from cons on the board, but also an almost-universal ‘Congress would never go for it’ response, too. Then again, we seem to be in uncharted waters, so perhaps we should think outside the box a bit.

First, we set spending level *ceilings* on all Federal line items. Just for the sake of argument, I’m going to propose FY 2012 as the baseline. Spending is locked in at or below this level, and *cannot* by law exceed that level without Congressional approval.

Next. we develop and execute a revenue-positive plan (generating more revenue than the baseline budget spends), BUT we earmark the surplus for debt reduction ONLY. The revenue can come from changes in the tax code and/or spending cuts, as mutually agreed on.

However, once spending is cut in a given area, the new budget figure in that area becomes the new baseline — and you can’t *increase* spending past that level in subsequent budgets.

I did have one suggestion (on another blog) that I think had some merit; the suggestion was that 20-25% of the revenue realized from budget cuts ONLY (not from tax increases) *could* be used to increase spending in *existing* programs, but not on new ones. Example: $100B is cut from the Defense budget. $20-$25B of that could then be reallocated to existing programs, such as bridge and highway maintenance, unemployment insurance, border security, etc.

We’ve got to get revenue-positive, and tax cuts alone won’t accomplish that. My idea combines revenue increases with spending cuts and puts a barrier up to (most) new or increased spending. Thoughts and ideas for improvement?

Stevie Ray

November 14th, 2012
9:46 am

What’s this crap about succession? Talk about sore losers wanting to take their ball home…..we could split up just like Yugoslavia and have all those doomsday preppers able to actual recognize their dreams…

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:47 am

Republican Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, the only incumbent senator to lose re-election this fall, is urging the GOP to make a stronger push for support from women, minorities and moderates like himself.

Returning to the Senate for the first session since last week’s election, Brown said Tuesday that he hopes Republicans in the future will be a more tolerant, open-minded party.

Brown says moderates such as himself and retiring GOP Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine are a vanishing breed in Washington, despite sometimes playing a key role in bridging the partisan divide.

Brown lost to consumer advocate Elizabeth Warren in one of the 2012 election’s marquee races.

TBone

November 14th, 2012
9:47 am

Who needs a budget? Obviously Harry Reid or Obama doesn’t think it is important. Just keep upping the debt limit until we go flying off the cliff. How many votes has Obama gotten from the budgets he has submitted?

Mick

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

**Obama, one of the dumbest presidents ever**

I think the previous guy has him beat by a country mile…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

The Birthers and their off-spring hate Obama not because of where he was born but because he was born here. His very existence illustrates the changing demographics of the USA and its move away from being a ‘white republic’ governed by a broad ‘white’ front.

off-topic but interesting take on things

http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/how-left-can-become-true-political-force-be-reckoned

Welcome to the Occupation

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

Well said, decibels.

“Whoop de freekin’ do. The line in the sand should be that we are flat out not going to reduce Medicare or Social Security benefits, period, end of frickin’ story”

Obama has this extremely weird — diseased almost — fixation on some abstract notion of “balance” that is severed and cut out of any historical context.

It’s STUPID to say, let’s have a “balanced” approach where you look ahistorically at a snapshot of the present moment with big capital and the wealthy arrayed on one side and the bulk of the working population (we’ll leave out the truly poor for the moment) on the other and say BOTH of these sides need to give up a pound of flesh in the present deal.

It overlooks (or willfully suppresses, maybe) the fact that productivity has been steadily rising since the 1980s as wages have stagnated. Then you look at the steady dismantling of the safety net more broadly and it becomes clear that the middle class has ALREADY been giving something up vis-a-vis the wealthy for two decades. So it makes no sense to say they need to START doing something they’ve already been doing for a long time.

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

I agree, obama’s negotiating skills are poor,

his negotiating skills are FINE. His problem is, is that he really IS a centrist. He really IS willing to make Granny suffer a bit so that he can work out a deal wherein Mitt Romney continues enjoy tax breaks.

It’s not his granny after all.

So, that’s why we can’t let people like Jay overlook this. That’s why “Welcome to the Occupation”’s post @ 9.28 couldn’t be more ON-topic.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

alex — “will someone please read the X -axis on the diagram which I suspect is a timeline and tell me how someone understands it…….. Stats, the bane of my existence…..”

Yes, it’s a timeline covering most of 2012.

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

Jay, evidently approves of those trillion dollar deficits, high unemployment and low GDP growth. It helps to get more and more people on government assistance programs and beholden to an ever increasing socialist government embraced by Democrats. Of course as we continue this economic slide you have to wonder how Obama’s approval can continue to avoid seriously sliding with it. Of course Jay probably has a chart, which shows that to be an impossibility because people will be too dependent on government to face the reality of a Greece like future for the United States.

SBinf

November 14th, 2012
9:48 am

Republicans have zero leverage in this debate. If they do nothing, taxes increase and defense spending is cut. They’re bluffing, not unlike the way they behaved during the last months of the campaign, insisting Romney was winning, with the vain hope that reality would mirror their own opinions.

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
9:49 am

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
9:50 am

F. McCool — “Do the outgoing members of the House get to vote or do the new members (after last Tuesday) get to vote?”

I think it would depend on when the package came up for a vote. The new members aren’t seated until (IIRC) 3 JAN.

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
9:50 am

Obama has this extremely weird — diseased almost — fixation on some abstract notion of “balance” that is severed and cut out of any historical context.

I would implore everyone to read “The Audacity of Hope.” None of this should come as any surprise. He takes the notion of being taken out of his comfort zone and seeing the other guy’s side of things to what appears to be an unhealthy… extreme. Yes, that’s the term. Extreme.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 14th, 2012
9:50 am

Jay – 9:33 – which begs the question … why are we still talking about him? when will the GOP shove that stink in rubbish heap?

“USinUK, Romney/Ryan not only lost in Wisconsin, it lost in Ryan’s own congressional district as well.

But they , in turn, voted for him to back to Washington as a congressman. ”

all that does is make me want to know who was running against him?

indigo

November 14th, 2012
9:50 am

If current Republicans had any history of reasonable and responsible political behavior, I might guess they would act in a prudent manner and negotiate a fair settlement with Obama.

Unfortunately, their history is the exact opposite so, anything may happen.

SBinf

November 14th, 2012
9:51 am

“Jay, evidently approves of those trillion dollar deficits, high unemployment and low GDP growth.”

The entire GOP establishment approved of trillion dollar deficits….until Obama entered office. That’s strange, isn’t it?

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:51 am

If Obama is so dumb, then apparently the GOP can’t even tie its shoes without help.

Welcome to your Republican Dark Ages. (Again.)

Jm

November 14th, 2012
9:51 am

Oh, and Obama is also being dumb for doing the opposite of Clinton’s suggestion

Broaden the base, lower the rate.

Obama’s policies are all wrong.

One day things will change. But I wont be waiting.

Ben

November 14th, 2012
9:51 am

Obama just has to make things look ok for four more years, then the next President, likely a Republican, will end up having to deal with the problems that result, and of course the media will blame it on the GOP instead of on Obama. Everything good is because of Obama, everything bad is someone else’s fault.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 14th, 2012
9:52 am

Republican Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, the only incumbent senator to lose re-election this fall, is urging the GOP to make a stronger push for support from women, minorities and moderates like himself.

Well, we can get the women’s vote right now. Just pass a law that gives every woman new microwaves and scrubbing tools and frying pans and stuff like that. Us men know what women want.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 14th, 2012
9:52 am

“Jay, evidently approves of those trillion dollar deficits, high unemployment and low GDP growth.”

assumes facts not in evidence.

Mick

November 14th, 2012
9:53 am

**which shows that to be an impossibility because people will be too dependent on government to face the reality of a Greece like future for the United States**

Another day, another greece comparison; The worlds largest economy, the worlds reserve currency, is not, will not, ever be like greece, get it???

They BOTH suck

November 14th, 2012
9:53 am

“Obama, one of the dumbest presidents ever.”

Translation: My whining throttle is still stuck & wide open.

Jm: Another 74k Romney signs or so in FL and your prediction might have come to fruition. Maybe you didn’t see as many signs as you thought. Too much “rum punch”?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 14th, 2012
9:53 am

Recon wrote: the reality of a Greece like future for the United States

Recon, you really might want to read up on what the whole “Greece” thing is really about. Turn off Fox News and listen to a knowledgeable source for a change.

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
9:53 am

The economy doesn’t need the repubs undermining it further. Here’s hoping that cooler heads prevail and the Tea Party is over.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:53 am

I do love this melodramatic “cliff” analogy being spouted ad nauseum by the fiscally irresponsible.

Reminds me of the good old days…

This sucker could go down. ~George W. Bush, September 2008

JKL2

November 14th, 2012
9:53 am

obama strategy: do nothing then blame the Republicans for it.

He is the master! All he needs now is a willing media to push his non-agenda. (That’s your cue Jay)

Morality?

November 14th, 2012
9:54 am

Jay did you purposely leave out one group on your graph – Dems in Congress? Obama has upper hand? So much for compromise. PARTY LOYALISTS rule the Dems & Repubs in Congress. What we need is USA loyalists that put country 1st over party loyalty. TERM LIMITS and a BALANCED BUDGET amendment to the Constitution……… It is time for a 3rd party that puts USA 1st and Party 2nd.

They BOTH suck

November 14th, 2012
9:55 am

There will be a deal where cuts are made and some taxes are raised to some degree or another.

Both the far right and left will not like it, but it is going to happen.

Probably will not be the best deal but a deal nevertheless.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
9:56 am

M. Snarky — “The economy doesn’t need the repubs undermining it further. Here’s hoping that cooler heads prevail and the Tea Party is over.”

That seemed to be more Diet Snark than regular Mr. Snark. I much prefer the full-calorie obloquy and scorn you used to dispense. :)

indigo

November 14th, 2012
9:56 am

Redneck – 9:52

Since Republicans want to keep them barefoot as well, don’t forget lotion for their feet.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 14th, 2012
9:57 am

“Translation: My whining throttle is still stuck & wide open. ”

when will the frickin engine FLOOD, already …

They BOTH suck

November 14th, 2012
9:58 am

Recon

Jay did cite those two pollsters that you claimed were the most accurate.

Simple Truths

November 14th, 2012
9:58 am

Redneck,

If you “Succeed”, who keeps the pork rinds?

Jm

November 14th, 2012
9:59 am

Tbs

I never predicted Romney would win, or if I did, I said it would be very close

Stick to describing your own views

Morality?

November 14th, 2012
9:59 am

Congresses plan? To get reelected and feed at the gub’ment trough. When are we going to get a plan for our country to restore our economy? When are we going to get a budget plan? If you want to blame someone blame the brain dead zombies that vote Obama and keep the do nothing Congress in place. Blame those in charge : Nanny Pelosi, Hairy Wed

tm

November 14th, 2012
9:59 am

AJC shows its class with the photo at the top of the web site. Guess they couldn’t find one that wasn’t taken on a cold day.

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
10:00 am

Some on here must have got their diploma’s out of cereal boxes. They have no concept of basic economics.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
10:00 am

…then the next President, likely a Republican…

HUH????

The odds are NOT getting better for the Insular Party.

To paraphrase Clarence Darrow, we have the aim of keeping bigots and ignoramuses from controlling the government of the United States.

ex-pat, don’t know, but it is likely that the GOP gas guzzler is gonna blow a gasket soon!

alex

November 14th, 2012
10:00 am

@ joe- thanks. Still reading over another one of your ideas….

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
10:00 am

obama strategy: do nothing then blame the Republicans for it.

that’ll work. I am fine and dandy with that strategery.

They BOTH suck

November 14th, 2012
10:01 am

Jm

You did claim Romney would win FL. And if you noticed I mentioned FL and not one other state or the election as a whole, but keeping whining. No one is surprised

Cosby

November 14th, 2012
10:02 am

It would be nice to see the blame game end, to see the Obama maniacs act like adults and get to serious talks regarding the fiscal cliff. the one liner – “Tax the Rich” is getting old. I will not sign anytinng unless it taxes the rich..well, from all the financial gurus + the CBO, if you took everything from the so called rich, the Fed Gov’t would last about 1 month. I do not give a rats rear end on what the polls say, who has the upper hand on a popular vote..but if a sensable solution is not reached, every damn person in the USA, citizen or not, will pay a hefty price. Tax the rich..if that is all this idiot has to say about the financial situation of the USA, then the USA is done for! How stupid are the citizens and the media…damn it, damn it all

Oscar

November 14th, 2012
10:02 am

I expect the tax rates will not change, but a lot of deductions/loopholes will be eliminated, and the result will be increased federal revenues. And there will be spending cuts including a spending cut in the defense budget.

If no deal is reached, then we are looking at another recession sometime next year.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
10:03 am

I said it would be very close.

And it was.

62 – 38. Obama.

Morality, your ongoing strategery of calling American voters stupid, lazy, etc is really working out great for you!

Keep up the good work!

Morality?

November 14th, 2012
10:03 am

Odds in Vegas on the Fed Debt being ONE CENT (or more) lower at the end of Obama’s 2nd term than it is on November 14, 2012? 16,000,000,000,000 + to ONE.

Logical Dude

November 14th, 2012
10:03 am

ZOMG, the election is over, and we get ANOTHER POLL!!!??!!1111!!!

Ok, maybe I should read the article now.

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
10:03 am

They have no concept of basic economics.

oh, do educate me. Tell me about checkbooks and utility bills and such and how that is JUST LIKE running an industrialized nation that can invade other countries, print its own money, squeeze trading partners…

that never gets old.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
10:05 am

alex — “@ joe- thanks. Still reading over another one of your ideas….”

A frequent conservative objection (on the previous occasions I had posted my idea) was ‘no way, you Demoncraps will just spend any extra tax money you get your claws on.’ So the notion of *locking in* spending levels and only allowing them to ratchet DOWN (unless Congress explicitly permitted an increase) was born.

I do think that we need to focus any revenue surpluses on debt reduction and not on tax cuts any longer.

Oscar

November 14th, 2012
10:05 am

obama strategy: do nothing then blame the Republicans for it

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Not so. Obama has put some good deals on the table, but the GOP has walked away and left them there.
Obama and JB had a deal worked out, and John couldn’t sell it to the GOP right wing.
Hope they will wake up now that we are looking at a cliff.

mm

November 14th, 2012
10:05 am

Bobby Jindal -

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything, We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

“We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

Easier said than done, Bobby.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

November 14th, 2012
10:06 am

Paul Ryan won his seat by 42,000 votes (a little over 350,000 cast) over Rob Zerban.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
10:06 am

‘They have no concept of basic economics.’

‘Reagan taught us deficits don’t matter’

alex

November 14th, 2012
10:07 am

Joe, this multivariate equation is so difficult( stats-again) that it’s difficult to have a reasonable idea that “your” plan will work, then again it may,so give it a run. I am drawn to the health care issues as every year, congress has to revisit cuts or increase the money going to hospitals /providers(hate that term), etc. Every year congress goes ahead and spends more money, over-riding it’s previous rules…..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
10:08 am

Recon — ” They have no concept of basic economics.”

Yeah, you might have a point if President Bush hadn’t gone overlimit on our national Chinese Express credit card.