Another little temper tantrum from John McCain

UPDATE at 3:05: In his press conference this afternoon, President Obama was quite forceful in his defense of Ambassador Rice:

“Let me say specifically about Susan Rice: She has done exemplary work she has represented the U.S. and our interests in the U.N. with skill and professionalism and toughness and grace. If Senator McCain and Senator Graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. And I’m happy to have that discussion with them. But for them to go after the U.N. ambassador? Who had nothing to do with Benghazi? And was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received? To besmirch her reputation is outrageous.”

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This is just stupid.

An increasingly petty and petulant Sen. John McCain has gone off the deep end again, announcing that if U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice is nominated to replace Hillary Clinton as secretary of State, he would attempt to filibuster her nomination.

His reason?

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Because Rice, serving as a foreign policy spokesperson for the Obama administration, went on Sunday talk shows shortly after the attacks in Benghazi to say the following, after noting that an investigation was still underway and the details were unclear:

“But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

We’ll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that’s the best information we have at present.”

That version of events turned out to be incorrect in one relatively small detail. Subsequent investigation has determined that there had not been “a small number of people” protesting outside the consulate before a force of roughly 150 armed men rushed the facility, killing U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. Three other Americans also died in the attacks.

Some conservatives have attempted to read great importance into that incorrect detail. In fact, McCain and others, including Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, wish to declare Rice unqualified to be secretary of State for having made that statement.

It is truly a ridiculous position to take, for two glaringly obvious reasons:

1.) Compare Rice’s statement to the best then-secret intelligence assessment of the CIA at the time she appeared on the Sunday talk shows:

“The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations. This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.”

Clearly, Rice’s statements on ABC and other stations that weekend accurately reflected the best intelligence available to her and others at the time. Trying to declare her unfit to be secretary of State on that basis is nonsense.

And McCain has every reason to know that it is nonsense, which brings us to …

2.) In 2005, at the start of his second term, President Bush nominated Condoleezza Rice to replace Colin Powell as secretary of State. And Rice, as you may recall, had her own rather extensive history of statements on Sunday talk shows that later turned out to be incorrect, with consequences that were far more profound and costly to this nation than the tragedy at Benghazi. More than 4,000 American men and women were to die in a war founded on those statements.

As Condi Rice told Wolf Blitzer on CNN on Sept. 8, 2002, regarding Saddam Hussein:

“We do know that he is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. We do know that there have been shipments going into Iran, for instance — into Iraq, for instance, of aluminum tubes that really are only suited to — high-quality aluminum tools that are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs. …we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”

By 2005, the whole world knew that statement by Rice, along with others by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others had been false. Saddam had no nuclear program; the aluminum tubes had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. Their explanation for those false statements was that they had merely relied on the best intelligence available from the CIA, and can’t be held accountable if those assessments were wrong. (There is considerable evidence that Rice, Bush, Cheney and others in fact cherry-picked the evidence to suit the case they wanted to build, but we’ll set that aside for the moment.)

Despite these false statements by Rice — again, statements with grave national consequences — Senate Democrats in 2005 did not launch a filibuster in an attempt to halt her confirmation. The vote to approve her was 85-13. Among those voting to confirm her were McCain and Graham.

Also voting to confirm Rice were Sen. Joe Biden. And Sen. Hillary Clinton. And yes, Sen. Barack Obama as well.

The parallels between the two cases are uncanny, right down to the gender, race and surname of the main character. But the differences in how the two cases are being handled is more startling still, and all too revealing of just how unhinged and hypocritical many of today’s Republicans have become.

If President Obama believes that Ambassador Rice is the best person to serve this country as secretary of State, he should not hesitate to nominate her. If McCain and others wish to make the case to the American people why Rice is unqualified, they should likewise not hesitate to do so.

But by doing so, they will be drawing more attention to their inadequacies than to those they imagine in Rice.

– Jay Bookman

571 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
2:54 pm

McCain has become a shadow of the man he used to be. How very sad

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
2:56 pm

Well Fox also does not like the other hat in the ring, Kerry. They are already back to swiftboating him. More GOP shamefulness

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
2:58 pm

Now everyone calm down. It’s possible that Gramps has his Rices confused.

Michael

November 14th, 2012
3:00 pm

I use to like John, but he has proven that he does not have the temperment to be a President. He will now go down in history as the person who made Sarah Palin famous. Ugh.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
3:00 pm

It’s possible that Gramps has his Rices confused.

Snap, crackle or pop?

Fred ™

November 14th, 2012
3:01 pm

Just damn. He should have retired while he was still lucid.

Logical Dude

November 14th, 2012
3:01 pm

Ben Gazi!!!!

catlady

November 14th, 2012
3:02 pm

He needs a nap!

What is Hillary going to do?

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
3:03 pm

Jay

You could have simply saved bandwidth and said that speaking out based on intelligence gathered at the time but later turns out wrong is only ok when you’re Republican. Otherwise, you have to know the truth before the truth even knows itself.

southpaw

November 14th, 2012
3:03 pm

Jay-
Any predictions for how a cloture vote would turn out after the new Senators are sworn in?

Ronald Reagan

November 14th, 2012
3:04 pm

I agree with Senator McCain! Rice lied & people died! She should remain in her current position where she is harmless!

TaxPayer

November 14th, 2012
3:04 pm

The party of stupid has to live up to its namesake. Good job, McCain.

weetamoe

November 14th, 2012
3:05 pm

Wonder what Colin –also a smoking gun is the mushroom cloud–guy thinks about that. Funny how you guys carry that little quote around in your tu quoque lunch bags.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
3:07 pm

Some posters clearly are clueless…but Reagan was for a good deal of his term.

There is also a difference between lying (see: intent, Cheney, Bush Administration) and providing information believed true based on available evidence but later proves false.

Patrick

November 14th, 2012
3:08 pm

BREAKING NEWS–

In a later press conference on the Capitol lawn, Senator McCain yelled “get the hell off my lawn, you crazy kids”.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
3:08 pm

I don’t think it’s seemly to suggest that McCain’s somehow mentally deficient in this; it seems pretty clear to me that his objection to Susan Rice is just as ideologically-based as his support of Condi Rice was.

No need to attribute to senility what can just as easily be explained by partisan mulishness.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
3:09 pm

Update posted above.

the cat

November 14th, 2012
3:10 pm

I love an angry President Obama!

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
3:12 pm

Jay

I heard part of that press conference. Obama would be much more believable if he used the services of an “Angry Black Man” to deliver messages, such as that one. He’s been too mushy for anybody to take him seriously, that is, unless you see a drone overhead.

fedup

November 14th, 2012
3:12 pm

MaCain has drunk the same Koolaid the “you lie” people did. Boy it hurts when you get spanked.

Jaynie

November 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

I once respected John McCain. I no longer do. Temper tantrums should not be tolerated in little children, much less in adults who are supposeed to running our country. The irresponsible statements from both sides (remember Cynthia McKinney and 9/11) do no one any good and cause much harm to all. McCain is to be commended for his service to this country while he was a military officer. It is time for him to rest on his past performance and retire.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

I hope the President watches all of the American President and kicks some more teeth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRVbWMvi7c

Get Real

November 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

I am still waiting for the media to do their figgin jobs. Now that the election is over there is not more reason to continue to cover for the Great One…and I do not mean Jackie Gleason.

Who told her to go out and blantantly lie??

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

IMAM TORQUEMADA

Just being EOI here…but how comes it that McCain doesn’t get one of those Doddering Old Fool cards? I mean, after all, his service record to his country is certainly up there with Helen Thomas and Joseph Lowery. :-)

As for Susan Rice, I suspected she’d take Hillary Clinton’s place. I’ve got my reservations, but she does seem to me to be the best nominee.

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

If Obama crapped on the Resolute Desk while on National TV you guys would defend him.

Good for McCain. Good for Graham and Ayotte.

Obama lied. He continues to lie. He is digging the hole deeper. I can hardly wait for the hearing.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
3:18 pm

I can hardly wait for the hearing.

Sounds like the same chest thumpin you were doing before the election. :lol:

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

“Temper tantrums should not be tolerated in little children, much less in adults who are supposeed to running our country. ”

Does that include Obama who threw one in the news conference?

Patrick

November 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

MORE BREAKING NEWS–

Lesbian Sen. Lindsey Graham clutched his pearls and whipped out an angry statement in response to the President’s defense of Sec. Rice.

“My, my my–I shoulda known those darkies would stick up for each otha”,

He then stomped away from the press conferance in a pair of sassy lime-green espadrilles.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, Josef, but Ms. Thomas did NOT escape the consequences of her statement. Her career ended at that moment.

Furthermore, Dr. Lowery does not have the power to, among other things, block the confirmation of a qualified secretary of State.

Stevie Ray

November 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

JAY

I don’t care what she did or didnt’ do, we need a much bigger gun in that particular role. Suggesting she is qualified by suggesting Codolizza Rice wasn’t is silly.

BTW, I heard a guy on POTUS radio this morning suggesting that we may learn that we were holding prisoners in that particular facility..wonder if this will turn out to be true…this issue will turn a few more colors before you can REALLY sweep it under your carpet.

SPC

November 14th, 2012
3:21 pm

The Iraq story didn’t add up, but neither does the Benghazi story. We know the truth regarding the former, let’s get the truth regarding the latter.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
3:22 pm

J. Reb — “If Obama crapped on the Resolute Desk while on National TV you guys would defend him.”

No, I don’t think so. But I do think if he had a nosebleed in the Oval Office and cons found out about it, y’all would claim that he drinks the blood of virgins in here and HA, libs, prove he doesn’t. :roll:

Jay

November 14th, 2012
3:23 pm

Stevie Ray, we may indeed have been holding prisoners there, I don’t know. But if so, the CIA’s involvement and its wish to keep its role in Benghazi (and probably elsewhere on the ground in Libya) secret probably explains the varying story lines a lot more accurately than the varied conspiracy theories on the right. (You know, Occam’s razor and all).

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

Hello Good Fight – I made a post the other day admitting my pronostications were wrong. Guess you missed it.

Since you brought it up. How does it feel to have backed the first president to be reelected due to pop-culture and pushing free-stuff instead of his performance?

And not necessarily for you, but any Moonbat trying to turn Obama’s reelection into something it was not. He won just over 50% of the popular vote and 26 states plus DC. Long from a mandate or landslide.

As to Obama’s popularity – see pop-culture.

larry

November 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

I can hardly wait for the hearing.

And when i hear the truth, i’m still going to say he’s lying.

I want my Watergate dangit !!

Regnad Kcin

November 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

Benghazi was invented by Fox to throw the election to Romney. Now that the election is over, Fox has not one word to say on the subject.

It seems the frothier cons on this blog have not gotten the memo…

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
3:26 pm

Who told her to go out and blantantly lie??

Ok, let me make absolutely sure I get the Butthurt-Over-Benghazi-Brigade’s lament here.

Obama had Rice lie because it would somehow help his re-election chances if he were to concoct, out of whole cloth, a story about a demonstration, rather than what the State Dept. knew to be true.

And this phony story that was supposed to HELP Team Obama 2012, was that bat-crap crazy Muslims were rioting over an offensive film trailer, with the presumption that such spontaneous outbreaks were bound to happen again, anywhere on the planet.

Help me out here. How would such subterfuge be a smart strategy?

Seriously, I do not get you Butthurts at all. Your lament makes no freakin’ sense. It is actually dumber than the birth certificate “controversy,” if such a thing is even possible.

I am starting to think some sort of brain parasite has gotten loose. But maybe you can explain how this allegedly concocted spontaneous batcrap-crazy Mooooslumz-going-ape scenario would’ve been more pleasant for Americans to regard.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 14th, 2012
3:27 pm

St Simons

November 14th, 2012
3:27 pm

this just gives them another opportunity to screech bennnn-gawziii
a million times on the raydio.

as far as the UN, nominate her NOW. Make it the 1st thing.
Nightly televise every filibuster.
Let them select themselves for extinction.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
3:27 pm

Since you brought it up. How does it feel to have backed the first president to be reelected due to pop-culture and pushing free-stuff instead of his performance

Feels great Johnny…. but you’re still showing complete ignorance about why he was re-elected and why you remain wrong. You may have admitted your pronostications were wrong about one event but your deductive ability, lack of reasoning and pronostication ability remains skewed and off. Guess you have not learned your lessons yet but thump away with the lies and nonsense.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

November 14th, 2012
3:28 pm

Mclame , Robme , Turtleman , GOP ….really? yawn…LOL

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
3:28 pm

how comes it that McCain doesn’t get one of those Doddering Old Fool cards? I mean, after all, his service record to his country is certainly up there with Helen Thomas and Joseph Lowery.

josef

While they may all be doddering old fools, neither Thomas nor Lowery has theu current position, access, or responsibility that McCain has. If he wants to dodder, then he needs to do it as a private citizen. Just my opinion.

Adam

November 14th, 2012
3:29 pm

Ugh.

The cons will never let the Benghazi thing go. I suppose we should let them play with their shiny object for a while. At least then they are distracted….

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
3:29 pm

Jay, conveniently omits Obama remarking that Rice had nothing to do with Benghazi but was asked to represent the administration in explaining it to the television network news media. What??? that just doesn’t add up. Also it was interesting to watch Obama dodge the question of not being informed about Petraeus until after the election.

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:29 pm

IMAM

Lighten up, Francis! And, going all serious as you seem wont here, no need to correct you. You’re right. Dull as dishwater and snippy, but correct nonetheless…oh, yeah, and a Plantation Liberal Delusional Lickspittle… :-)

Stevie Ray

November 14th, 2012
3:30 pm

JAY

I hear you…that may also be the reason Romney didn’t bring it up in debate although I doubt it…i think he got security briefing prior to last debate…

Its all posturing…had the GOP been in office and this occurred the storylines would be the same simply flipped..the major networks and MSNBC et all would have been a chorus of FOX’s approach..

East Lake Ira

November 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

Isn’t it time for McCain to follow other failed GOP noms into the world of endorsing boner pills and the like?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

J. Reb — “trying to turn Obama’s reelection into something it was not. He won just over 50% of the popular vote and 26 states plus DC. Long from a mandate or landslide.”

Tell it to Dick Cheney. We’re just using the same standard he used to call Bush’s 2004 re-election a “mandate,” and by the both popular vote and electoral vote, Obama outscored Bush on every measure.

Y’all can blame Cheney for the notion of a “peace dividend” as well, since he was the first public figure to use that expression, too.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

‘Lighten up, Francis!’

Sergeant Hulka?

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

BROSEPHUS

So, now you would deny us Doddering Old Fools our representation in the lawmaking bodies of the land? Bring it on! Doddering Old Fools, arise! Smash the agist oppressors! :-)

Regnad Kcin

November 14th, 2012
3:32 pm

“Also it was interesting to watch Obama dodge the question of not being informed about Petraeus until after the election.’

Unverified-rumor-double-secret conspiracy alert!

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

Since some here are belittling McCain, let me join in but from a different angle. While I am at it, I will dog Romeny also.

McCain was too nice a guy when he ran against Barry. Instead of exposing Barry for what he is, McCain played the gentleman at the wrong time and Barry walks into the oval office pretty much the way he walked into the Senate seat in Illinois.

Romney while smart is too nice a guy to have run against Obama. Obama and his surrogates run the dirtiest negative campaign in American history and we run against him a boy scout. When Romney got Obama down, he then decided to coast. He should have gone for the jugular in the second debate and kicked his ass back to Chicago in the third. The outrage from Graham heard today should have come from Romney in the third debate.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

“Jay, conveniently omits Obama remarking that Rice had nothing to do with Benghazi but was asked to represent the administration in explaining it to the television network news media. What??? that just doesn’t add up.

Two points, Recon: One, no I did not omit it. It is stated plainly in Obama quote’s above: “But for them to go after the U.N. ambassador? Who had nothing to do with Benghazi? And was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received?”

Two, yes it does add up. It adds up like 2 plus 2 adds up to 4. Are you seriously under the impression that a UN ambassador has operational responsibilities for a consulate in Libya? She was serving as a spokesperson, nothing more.

jewcowboy

November 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:34 pm

PATRICK

That was just plain tacky and borderline homophobic…the pc police have been informed…

Regnad Kcin

November 14th, 2012
3:35 pm

Sergeant Hulka?

“Blowed, up, sir!”

Native Atlantan

November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

@josef — but it really did make me laugh…..

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

But he’s a maverick!…..please stop it already..

michael

November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

Johnny Reb, how did you come up with your name? Been watching too much Fox News I bet. There were no WMD when Bush started all of these wars and thousands have died. Get real.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

‘ Instead of exposing Barry for what he is, McCain played the gentleman ‘

Oh pray tell, exposed for what exactly? BTW: Gov Jindal wants a word with you…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

If I weren’t creeped out by dentures
I’d tell Senator Mccain to bite my little backside.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

Despite these false statements by Rice — again, statements with grave national consequences — Senate Democrats in 2005 did not launch a filibuster in an attempt to halt her confirmation. The vote to approve her was 85-13. Among those voting to confirm her were McCain and Graham.
++++++++++++++++
To place this into context Rice received the most negative votes since 1825. Also, note the “petty and petulant” John Kerry and Barbara Boxer voted against her in committee.

In the committee meeting after Wednesday’s hearing, Boxer said she hoped Rice would see the difference between her new job and her old role “where she wasn’t in any way responsible to come before Congress, but went to the American people and sold a war and continues to repeat things that were not so.”
“In the end, I could not excuse Dr. Rice’s repeated misstatements,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said of his vote against Rice.

McCain might be petty and petulant but that is not unprecedented. http://articles.cnn.com/2005-01-26/politics/rice.confirmation_1_condoleezza-rice-gathering-threat-confirmation-hearing?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/rice.confirmation/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6862922/ns/politics/t/rice-sworn-secretary-state/

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

jewcowboy

:-) :-)

Good to see you…this lot today has been a really dull lot…nice to see someone with some taste show up…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
3:39 pm

And not necessarily for you, but any Moonbat trying to turn Obama’s reelection into something it was not. He won just over 50% of the popular vote and 26 states plus DC. Long from a mandate or landslide.

Only four presidents since 1900 have been elected twice with more than 50% of the popular vote in both elections: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald W. Reagan, and Barack H. Obama.

Patrick

November 14th, 2012
3:39 pm

Hey Josef. Sorry–I didn’t mean to offend anyone–especially by comparing them to Sen. Graham. :)

He does seem to get his panties in a wad pretty easily, though.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
3:39 pm

‘It’s November.

Give me the “I told you so” line.’

Oooh, that’s nasty…CLEAN UP! AISLE 1!!!!

Just Wow

November 14th, 2012
3:39 pm

Reading some of the comments/conclusions on here makes a mind wonder if some of the bloggers actually sit in on the security briefings. I do believe that there is an ongoing investigation still in process….

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
3:40 pm

‘Who had nothing to do with Benghazi? And was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received? To besmirch her reputation is outrageous.”

Sounds to me and probably a lot more than just me that the administration was hiding behind Rice. In fairness to Rice she was probably given false information that the administration knew was false when they sent her out there. It’s murky and it’s not going away anytime soon as it shouldn’t when four Americans lose their lives/

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
3:40 pm

josef

No doddering when you’re responsible for protecting state secrets. I don’t care if you’re young or old. I’m against putting young jackasses in that same position too. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
3:40 pm

R. Kcin — “Blowed, up, sir!”

I’m gettin’ too old for this shiiiiiiiiiiii. . .

– Senator John McCain

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

What’s next? Is McCain gonna tell her to get off his lawn? #CrankyOldMan

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

michael

November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

Johnny Reb, how did you come up with your name? Been watching too much Fox News I bet. There were no WMD when Bush started all of these wars and thousands have died. Get real.
__________________

This is not about W.

My name is an intended contradiction to the bunch of Statists who live here, Jay being the supreme.

Simple Truths

November 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

Jay, with your sweeping abilities, you should take up curling. They play a big role in that sport.

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

Hello Kamie – I’m a big boy. I can take it. But, I did not write what you posted. Someone must have hijacked my moniker. But, I will take the heat.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

J. Reb — “My name is an intended contradiction to the bunch of Statists who live here”

I expect that Ragnar will give you a disapproving lecture when he finds out.

Patrick

November 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

Mr. Snarky–

Please see my post at 3:08. :)

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

Damn, it is gonna be difficult to wait an entire two years to kick these unhinged hypocrite’s asses again!

L Dude, Ben Gazi was not half bad in Anatomy of a Murder and The Bridge at Remagen

http://tinyurl.com/yr2mrp

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

Doesn’t sound like McCain was the one having the temper trantrum…

Al

November 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

Everyone, please help me with something – Why is it that people will say (Insert Democrat Name Here) Lied and People Died but get all upset if someone replies with Bush Lied and THOUSANDS Died – saying that its wrong to blame Bush for anything now that he is out of office – then later along the line make a reference to Jimmy Carter, who was president a full generation ago? Don’t these people get so tired of having the “Do as I say, not as I do” attitude?

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

‘I’m a big boy. I can take it. But, I did not write what you posted. Someone must have hijacked my moniker. But, I will take the heat.’

You do realize that this is a cop out and is mutually exclusive with ‘taking the heat…’ Oh, why even bother…

jewcowboy

November 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

Howdy josef!

While it is usually fun to watch the unhinged of the right on this blog wax poetic about their fantasies, since the election they’ve been rather pathetic to watch. I’m thinking they might be in need of some Androgel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/opinion/sunday/is-america-man-enough-to-vote.html?_r=0

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

PATRICK

Oh, it was calling him a lesbian I objected to. No need to go insulting them! As for Lindsey…L-rd that queen do go for the drama! While I don’t think his Democrat opponent should have called him “light in the loafers” on the campaign trail, the pundit that termed him the Pink Elephant in the Big Tent was funny… :-)

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

she was probably given false information that the administration knew was false when they sent her out there

my kind offer extends to you as well.

What great benefit would be had to the President’s re-election prospects if the public were falsely led to believe that violent demonstrations were sprouting up across the Islamic world due to an offensive video?

Please explain how that would make any sense whatsoever.

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

…demonstrations so violent that our State department folks were being targeted.

Tell me how that helps Team Obama get re-elected. Because that’s what’s been alleged over and over and over again by the right.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

Let’s see if I have this correct.

Your pitiful, embarrassing candidate – who blamed the embassy personnel themselves for sympathizing with their murderers (!!!) – got his nasty clocked cleaned over this matter.

And your rubes want more?!!

Talk about doubling down on the dumb…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

“someone must have stole my moniker”

Jay, can we get any confirmation on that? :roll: That’s better than the “just kidding” card. :lol:

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

A comment on Rice, then its off to see the Wizard.

The point on Rice which most here, including Jay, are missing. She was complicit in promoting the lie or she does not have the common sense of a goat or will do/say anything she is told. All of which disqualify her going forward.

Bill

November 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

You are right, she’ll make a great pushover for Obama. You really think she wasn’t privy to the real information that is becoming common knowledge now? If she wasn’t at the intelligence security level we are assuming she was, then why is she so strong a candidate for Secretary of State now? She’ll make a great spokesperson. She won’t have to think, and know it for herself, she can just listen and say as she is told to, just like she did… She apparently will work perfectly with this Cabinet. Jay, wake up!

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

‘All of which disqualify her going forward.’

Which puts her about 50 paces ahead of you and your BS predictions…

JohnnyReb

November 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

Good Fight – I’m not witty enough to write like that.

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

She was complicit in promoting the lie

yes, yes, the “lie.”

You guys can’t even present a plausible explanation for why this “lie” was being uttered. None whatsoever.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

John McCain used to be tolerable. Sort of.

And I still very much respect his valor and heroism in combat. (Something sorely and broadly lacking in the GOP for a long time.)

Consequently I have always been inclined to give him a break, but he has definitely gone off the deep end as of late…

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

Because Susan Rice is the best option to run the state department without the Bengazi failure. I love how any opposition no matter how sound is immediately met with “Temper Tantrum”. Just more of the sophmoric behavior from the left. When in doubt, start the name calling. Grow up people. Surely there are better choices to run the State Department and surely Susan Rice knew more than she let on that Sunday. To think otherwise would be to have your head in the sand.

deegee

November 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

I think that they all know that the quality of intelligence you get out of the Middle East is not that good. It hasn’t been good since the US lost the power to appoint Middle East dictators. Nevertheless, reality isn’t going to stand in the way of good political theater.

Patrick

November 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

Josef–perfect tag line for Graham!

Thanks! :)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
3:53 pm

Al — “Don’t these people get so tired of having the “Do as I say, not as I do” attitude?”

As a former con who voted on the GOP side for 20+ years, I can assure you that they don’t. For the most part, they’re pretty impervious to criticism in that area, as they accept it as a point of faith that Democrats are evil and unethical, whereas Republicans are paragons of truth, morality and justice — even when the *same kinds of acts* are in question.

The level of disconnect is about the same as what the Scientologists foist on their ‘parishoners.’

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

stands for decibels – 3. EASY REASONS TO MAKE UP A LIE ABOUT THE ATTACKS. 1. It covers up the fact that 1. the state department left one of our own defenseless in one of the most violent places in the world. 2. COVERS up the fact the administration failed to act to support the officials during the 9 hours between when the raid started and the ambassador was killed. 3. COVERS UP the mystery as to WHY the ambassador was in Bengazi in the first place. The embassy isn’t in Bengazi. It’s in Tripoli.

josef

November 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

jewcowboy

That was a fine read! Thanks…

MOONBAT

I guess it must be the day for temper tantrums…right and left! :-)

alex

November 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

….”BUT BY DOING SO”……WHY, what if they explain their position lucidly, a bit presumptious…., If this is all they have to suggest inadequacies then yes this is ridiculous. I guess this is what a senate hearing is all about, air the areas of controversy or question. Is she qualified, etc. Clearly we do not have the whole story and mabye that statement she made was accurate, if so we will find out in the questioning… We CAN thank god, Obama did not nominate Jane Fonda……..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

I’m a big boy. I can take it. But, I did not write what you posted. Someone must have hijacked my moniker. But, I will take the heat.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

john dahodi

November 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

In my opinion, the person need to be blamed, investigated and questioned is not Susan Rice but HILLARY CLINTON, our secretary of State and who is in-charge of our foreign missions around the globe but for some unknown reasons no one including any GOP leader is raising her name and for the last several weeks; she has kept herself aloof from his issue keeping silence. WHY?

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
3:39 pm
And not necessarily for you, but any Moonbat trying to turn Obama’s reelection into something it was not. He won just over 50% of the popular vote and 26 states plus DC. Long from a mandate or landslide.

Only four presidents since 1900 have been elected twice with more than 50% of the popular vote in both elections: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald W. Reagan, and Barack H. Obama.
+++++
I always like when people cherry pick data.
Eisenhower won 57.4 to 42 which was a 15 pt margin.(Turnout 60.6)
Reagan won 58.8 to 40.6 which was a 18.2 margin(Turnout 53.1)
Obama won 50.6 to 47.8 which was a 2.8 margin(57.5)
Nixon won 60.7% to 37.5% which was a 23.2 margin(55.2)

Bush received 50.7 for his second term and Obama received 50.6.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

You would think that by now these conned posters would at least have pieced together a plausible movie script that brings in the facts and “asks the questions”. UFO groupies have more plausible theories. Classy does not even know there is a consulate in Bengazi. How silly. :lol:

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

Can someone translate from the Wingnutese @ 3.58?

How does telling this “lie” magically put the Ambassador in Tripoli instead of Benghazi? You’re making even less sense than our J-Reb.

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

SFD

Well, don’t come down too hard on them for calling “lies.” Their only following our suggestion that they talk about something they’re familiar with…

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

Classy, the “demonstration” angle does NONE of those things.

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:03 pm

ooops…

@ 4:02

That’s THEY’RE…and I’ve not even had the first G&T…

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
4:04 pm

Anyway, I might check in later to see if some Grand Unified Theory of Why Duh Preznit Lied about Crazy Muslims Rioting Spontaneously (and feeding every wingnut’s worst nightmare in the process) might emerge.

/drive-by

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 14th, 2012
4:04 pm

Clearly…..what is needed is a CIA Performance evaluation Team.
CIAPET.
.
Be that as it may……..everyone knows that…Octobersurprisingly , Obama and his Chicago crew arranged for Chris Stevens’ to be kidnapped so that Obama could either negotiate for the release of Stevins by probably swapping some of our prisoners and subsequently making him look tough for the upcoming elections.
The three guys on the ground weren’t in on the scheme and came to Stevins rescue.(that’s why the would be rescuers were ordered to stand down).
The kidnappers thought that they had been double crossed and the blood bath ensued.
.
Everybody knows this.

Sam M.

November 14th, 2012
4:04 pm

Mr. McCain, still sore about loosing the election. I always loked at him
as an intelligent person, but now I see him for what he really is. Attacking
Susan R. is an all time low. Americans know that when you have two
major events happening in one area there maybe some confusion. We
know that Democrates nor Republicans are going to just make things up.
Remember the reports on weapons of mass distruction report during the
Bush administration (Condolisa Rice). No one doged her for that and we
went to war over it. Lets get the economy together, thats what the
prople wamt. Don’t direct people’s attention away from that. Wake up
guys!! I am Independant by the way.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
4:05 pm

Man, I thought it was willful ignorance for a long time.

But, now I am thinking that a whole bunch of people seriously need an intervention…

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
4:06 pm

Jay – It does ALL of those things. Uninformed, Unprepared, unresponsive administration = failure.He wanted to shift the conversation so it doesn’t look like a massive intelligence failure on his watch. If the shoe were on the other foot, you’d see it too. Take off the blinders. I thought the media was supposed to be objective? no. SAD.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
4:06 pm

Heywood: The three guys on the ground weren’t in on the scheme and came to Stevins rescue.(that’s why the would be rescuers were ordered to stand down).
The kidnappers thought that they had been double crossed and the blood bath ensued

that sounds squatchy.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:07 pm

LHU, it IS worrisome, isn’t it.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
4:07 pm

But by doing so, they will be drawing more attention to their inadequacies than to those they imagine in Rice.
++++
Not really. The one thing that seems to be constant in politics is selective memory. Condoleezza Rice received the most no votes since 1825 and the Dems delayed the vote. Kerry, Boxer and Durbin both voted no. There were 12 votes against Rice.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee reported the Rice nomination favorably to the full Senate by a vote of 16-2 with former Democratic presidential contender Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., voting against her. In the full Senate, opposition to Rice gathered steam with the 13 Democrats opposing the president’s first-term national security adviser. No Republicans opposed the confirmation.

Since 1789, only eight nominees to the position of secretary of state have received votes against their confirmation; Rice’s Senate confirmation succeeded with the second-largest number of “nay” votes in history, nearly matching the 14 nay votes received by Henry Clay during President John Q. Adams’ administration in 1825.

Jay has a convenient memory.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Inauguration/Story?id=122188&page=1

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

Oh and did anyone actually figure out WHY he was in Bengazi?

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

john dahodi

November 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

In my opinion, the person need to be blamed, investigated and questioned is not Susan Rice but HILLARY CLINTON, our secretary of State and who is in-charge of our foreign missions around the globe but for some unknown reasons no one including any GOP leader is raising her name and for the last several weeks; she has kept herself aloof from his issue keeping silence. WHY?
——————————————————————————–
.
Thou shalt not blasapheme the Prog Vice-God.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

Good news for Obama and Boehner, bad news for Saxby:

Tom Price defeated by McMorris Rodgers for leadership spot.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
4:09 pm

‘LHU, it IS worrisome, isn’t it.’

Maybe they can get a group discount with that ‘Intervention’ show…

I recommend shock therapy (but that would be for my own entertainment…)

indigo

November 14th, 2012
4:09 pm

John McCain showed great courage as a Vietman prisoner of war and combat pilot and we honor his service.

That said, it’s clear this sterling military performance hasn’t carried over into his political service. With each passing year, he becomes more of an embarrassment to that great soldier he once was.

It would be in everyone’s best interest, especially his, if he wouild just quietly resign from public service.

jewcowboy

November 14th, 2012
4:09 pm

“But, now I am thinking that a whole bunch of people seriously need an intervention…”

I’m telling you…mandatory Thorazine if you self-identify as a Republican.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
4:09 pm

Surely there are better choices to run the State Department.

Yet you name…………………………. none.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
4:11 pm

stands for decibels – US Embassy is in Tripoli, not Bengazi. Ask yourself, why was the ambassador in Bengazi? You know, you can Google this stuff, right?

Regnad Kcin

November 14th, 2012
4:11 pm

“Oh and did anyone actually figure out WHY he was in Bengazi?”

So, what’s the FOX theory?

jewcowboy

November 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

“Oh and did anyone actually figure out WHY he was in Bengazi?”

You mean why would an Ambassador actually be in out and about in the country in which they are posted?

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
4:06 pm

Heywood: The three guys on the ground weren’t in on the scheme and came to Stevins rescue.(that’s why the would be rescuers were ordered to stand down).
The kidnappers thought that they had been double crossed and the blood bath ensued

that sounds squatchy.
————————————————————-
.
I’ve never heard nor seen one…..but I’ve smelt them.
They’re out there.

hey you 1

November 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

He will forever be remembered at the first to lose the presidency to a black guy. He can’t get over that.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

Classy — “Oh and did anyone actually figure out WHY he was in Bengazi?”

From what I’ve read, the Ambassador liked getting out of the Embassy and meeting/dealing with the *people* of whatever nation he was serving in. And he was apparently making contacts with businessmen who were merchants, shippers, building contractors, etc. in an effort to act as a sort of ‘matchmaker’ of needs and abilities for Libya’s liberation.

Perhaps he was just meeting people and making contacts among the Libyans.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

Oh and did anyone actually figure out WHY he was in Bengazi

Scouting for a Pappa John’s franchising opportunity”

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

JAY

“Tom Price defeated by McMorris Rodgers for leadership spot.”

Okay, you old sourpuss…here’s another of those “hopeful” thingies we’ve been talking about. It seems the message may be getting through…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

Tom Price defeated by McMorris Rodgers for leadership spot.

And there was much rejoicing.

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
4:15 pm

I don’t have the answer, that’s supposed to be up to media types, like Jay. I don’t watch FOX news. Never have. Of course, they’re too busy taking DNC conference calls to ask tough questions. Yes, why was he out in the country, more specifically, WITHOUT security?

classyasalways

November 14th, 2012
4:16 pm

Joe, did you confirm that?

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

Moderate Line: I always like when people cherry pick data.

What’s cherry picked about that? I could have cherry picked data and included Nixon’s second election where he garnered more than 60% of the popular vote. There have been 13 presidents who have been elected to two terms with 12 of them getting consecutive terms. Out of that 13, 7 of them got more than 50% of the popular vote in both elections. Not even Bill Clinton achieved that.

I actually like how people try to assume someone’s cherrypicking something by simply quoting fact.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

I don’t watch FOX news. Never have.

The #1 cable news channel that seemingly no one ever watches.

Things that make you go, hmmmmmmmmmmm….

nelson

November 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

I see a rather sharp divide in the discussion. I would be hesitant to besmirch the character of one of our greatest war heros and statesmen. What is becoming of greatness when we settle for mediocrity in government with marginally qualified people intent on getting as much of everything for themselves possible.
Where is the dedication, duty,honor, country.
Another down day on wall street, and i may have to resort to panhandling, i could be good at it, humble,obsequious,self effacing, better than good.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Sam M.

November 14th, 2012
4:04 pm
No one doged her for that and we went to war over it.
+++++
You are factually incorrect. As I have pointed she received the second highest number of no votes for any Secretary of State. Look up what Byrd said.

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/1/26/sen_byrd_rice_responsible_for_most

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Right, Moderate.

Because a measly 13 “no” votes out of 48 Democratic senators (Rice 2005) is exactly like using a filibuster to block a confirmation vote from even taking place (Rice 2013).

alex

November 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Great news for the repubs, a moderate, yea. The future is so bright < i need shades. Think of it a day without quotas, more days like amb. Rice being nominated ,without referral to race or gender, a new dawn…CAN YOU DIG IT! ( OOPS!)

iT IS WITH GREAT JOY THAT SUCH A VARIETY OF BLOGGERS HAVE COMPLIMENTED THE SEN. FROM ARIZONA<

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Hmmmm, so now asking the “tough questions” is to ask the same questions that have been asked and answered. I don’t think that would even make the Sesame Street Tough Questions team.

willie lynch

November 14th, 2012
4:21 pm

Never thought much of John McCain until he gave his concession speech the night he lost the 2008 election. After hearing his speech I thought, man if this guy had run with the same dignity and comportment Obama would have never beaten him. It’s a shame that someone who obviously possesses so much more has lost the desire to share it. Hatred will suck the life right out of you.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:21 pm

Classy — “Joe, did you confirm that?”

I don’t have a firm source to point you to; I read one essay online from someone who used to work with Stevens in a previous assignment, and I heard a personality profile on Stevens that was aired on NPR a few weeks ago. Both indicated that Stevens liked to get his hands dirty and spend time with the ordinary, everyday citizens of whatever country he was posted to.

And FWIW, there were some photos circulated on the web after Stevens’ death of Libyans holding apologetic signs, written in English, expressing their regret over the massacre and their apparent respect for Stevens. Those should be pretty easy to Google.

I’m not sure that we’ll ever know exactly why Stevens chose to be in Benghazi that day.

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:21 pm

CLASSY

“Yes, why was he out in the country, more specifically, WITHOUT security?”

That was his style. That’s why he was so loved by so many Libyans and why they came out in the tens of thousands to express their sorrow that their friend had been murdered. Stevens was a class act. Would that we had more such diplomats.

Fred ™

November 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

josef: “Ja? Ja wolę polską. Wygląda naprawdę obcy!”

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I almost missed that. I came down to check out what was “going on” with Hope Solo and decided to see if Benny replied.

I don’t know Polish per say, but that’s what it looks like to me. I THINK it says something like ‘Me? I want Polish and I don’t know what the last phrase says lol.

Kam: I read what happened to Hope. I’ll keep my politically incorrect opinion on it to myself lol.

Fred ™

November 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

No back upstairs and out of the dungeon.

hamiltonAZ

November 14th, 2012
4:24 pm

Watching the unraveling of the Republican leadership (especially McCain) has the feel of watching the old 60s movie “King of Hearts.”

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:24 pm

Classy, here are some of the photos I spoke of. This source also offers translations of some of the Arabic-language signs visible in the photos as well.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:25 pm

Classy, Stevens was the type of diplomat who smuggled himself into Libya on a Greek freighter while the civil war was still raging, so being in Benghazi — the port city in which he arrived in said freighter — was entirely in character.

But I suspect you have some much-more-entertaining theory as to why he was in Benghazi. Please … do share!

jewcowboy

November 14th, 2012
4:28 pm

“Yes, why was he out in the country, more specifically, WITHOUT security?”

Because that is the job of an Ambassador. It’s not all sipping Moet at black-tie soirees and dancing the waltz. Most of it is grunt work. And it is well know that Ambassador Stevens pushed back heavy security, as he felt it came between him and the people of the country in which he was posted. He would often go jogging through the countryside.

But I suppose if I were trying to justify my own world view of a conspiracy, I could just ignore these facts and pretend there was something nefariousness going on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/world/middleeast/diplomats-pulled-2-ways-between-protection-and-accessibility.html

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

Classy, here’s some supporting background on Stevens that corroborates some of what I said earlier.

http://world.time.com/2012/09/12/ambassador-chris-stevens-the-american-who-loved-libya-1960-2012/

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

FRED

I translated it into Redneckese down there at Mama’s request! :-)

JAY
@ 4:25

Some people just can’t quite get a handle on that about Stevens…frankly, his was one of those lives that a movie should be made from…he had the chutzpah to live life to the fullest, doing his job with a humbleness and dignity that should be the very fabric of those we see as our representatives abroad.

hamiltonAZ

November 14th, 2012
4:32 pm

I watched McCain give his “flat affect” version of Captain Kurtz the other night and wondered aloud if men were standing by offscreen with the “jacket” – just in case.

His recent deportment was unquestionably a boon for the President’s re-election. People must have been thinking, “we were actually close to handing this man the levers of power?” It is a true OMG moment.

Barack's the best

November 14th, 2012
4:32 pm

Sorry to say it, but I think that McCain’s time in a POW camp is finally having an effect on him. Lest our Regressive brothers and sisters misinterpret that, let me say that I have the utmost respect for John McCain the solider, who bravely put his life on the line and suffered unimaginable horrors in defense of our liberty. But, and it’s a BIG BUT, he clearly has gone bat$hit crazy since running for Prez and it’s high time he retired (in Colorado – methinks there’re some meds there he could, well, benefit from).

tiredofit

November 14th, 2012
4:33 pm

Many are saying the Senate committee had access to the intelligence reports. What is their excuse?

captguitarman

November 14th, 2012
4:33 pm

OK. She was a spokesperson. Let’s pretend she was not told what the administration learned shortly after the attack (or maybe even while it was going on – it lasted 7 hours) about the phony video cover story and the organized terrorists. And so she goes out to schill for them on 5 networks, and then learns that she was set up to promote the video cover story. And then the stuff about the security flares having been sent up previously being ignored, because added security would not be quite in keeping with the Presidents view of things in that part of the world. And a US Ambassador and Americans died. And she is the cover girl, but one with great integrity, etc. Did I miss the story about her resigning her post in protest over how she was treated, or did she really know after all? One thing is true, when the hearings start on all of this, the people are going to find out. They always do. Way too much smoke here, now with the Petraeus scandal, for there not to have been a fire.

Amazing how little communication goes on in the White House. Unlike all Pub/Con presidents, who some how always knew every thing, Obama some how doesn’t know much of anything. We are now supposed to believe that Attorney General Holder didn’t tell the President about Petraeus and his girlfriend in August when Holder learned about it. If you believe that, you are naive beyond redemption or smoking way too much ganja, or based on the statistics about the “new America,” probably both.

The lamestream double standard is getting to be tiresome, and the disappearance of true journalism in the country is not a good thing. Having only one major network with a critical view of Obama and his administration is bad enough. But worse is all the others completely in his corner and working for him and providing cover when necessary. All that “to do” about the outing a Valerie Plame and the hundreds of negative articles and TV spots, and here she was, safe at home. An Ambassador and three Americans are murdered, and a phony cover story is created and then discovered, and then it is learned that security flares had been sent up repeatedly and ignored, all on 9/11, and the lamestream reaction? “Romney spoke out too soon.” And . . . yawn . . . hardly a peep.

And now, right after the election, Petraeus, a cooperative player in the phony video story, goes down in flames. All hell breaks loose. Everyone suddenly wakes up. How did this not get out since August. There was a rogue FBI agent, and now they are involved. The girlfriend’s home gets raided for Petraeus files and e-mails . . . that wasn’t important to national security before the election? Holder knew in August. And now Petraeus can’t or won’t testify unless he is subpoened? If these were Pub/Cons the lamestream would be having foaming at the mouth seizures on a 24/7 news cycles. They wanted to stay back and help their pal, but now they will be drug into it. And it will all come out. It always does.

indigo

November 14th, 2012
4:33 pm

Kamchak – 4:14 “and there was much rejoicing”

Not among Big Business moguls and their fundamentalist faithfuls.

jayross495

November 14th, 2012
4:34 pm

What does it matter whether the tape was involved? Four Americans died and that is serious enough for a major investigation. The American people also need to know who was behind that anti-Muslim tape that caused other American diplomats and ordinary citizens around the world to experience very harrowing days and nights and the American flags to be burned. Why does it seem that these GOP senior men and others in the GOP are trying so vigorously to remove questions about that tape? Where will the money trail lead? All those questions are also relevant for the American people. That tape put the lives of other diplomats at high risk and the American people also need answers about who was behind that tape especially since the consultant of the tape confirmed to CNN that the tape was a political tape to yield the exact response that followed. BTW The American people also need to know about the army couple that was
murdered in connection with plans to assassinate the president. Who else was involved in that plot?

TM

November 14th, 2012
4:37 pm

“But for them to go after the U.N. ambassador? Who had nothing to do with Benghazi? To besmirch her reputation? It’s outrageous.”

If she had nothing to do with Benghazi why send her out to be the spokeswoman for the administration– was everyone else who had something to do with it busy trying to figure out how they screwed up?

hamiltonAZ

November 14th, 2012
4:38 pm

Lastly, the substance:
One would think these people, if they were interested in anything but destroying the executive, would see what even a lay person can. That is, Benghazi was planned, but probably loosely. Such a plan often foments unrest (the street riots) using current events (the video) in order to provide a diversion and help the success.
We’ll find that’s what happened here. Of course, we could station armies at every diplomatic outpost, but given the current state of affairs in that region, we might not have enough armies.
McCain and Graham would better serve their countries by helping fashion a strategy (not a war) for stabilizing the region.

jewcowboy

November 14th, 2012
4:39 pm

“Four Americans died and that is serious enough for a major investigation.”

Four Americans…really four? Good golly gosh…that many huh? Can we start an investigation into how 4,488 American have died based on “we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”?

straitroad

November 14th, 2012
4:39 pm

Jay,

At some point, you will have to come to grips that obama makes mistakes and isn’t perfect. This situation was screwed up royally from the beginning and he is the one in charge. McCain doesn’t give a flip if his scrutiny of obama hurts your feelings.

DannyX

November 14th, 2012
4:41 pm

Book that will never be written…

“Romney Landslide: Secretary of State John Bolton Moves America Towards Apocalypse”

curious

November 14th, 2012
4:41 pm

If the Ambassador knew security was deficient but went ahead on a risky trip to an outpost with even less security, I contend he used very poor judgment that got himself and 3 others killed.

Unless he publicized his trip to Benghazi, he had the bad fortune to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

All this talk about somebody lying and somebody dying is a bunch of baloney.

teamguy

November 14th, 2012
4:42 pm

Let’s see, John McCain was captured during the Viet Nam conflict. . .tell me again how getting captured makes one a hero?

neohueman

November 14th, 2012
4:43 pm

Uncle fluffy needs a nap!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 14th, 2012
4:44 pm

Is this what the GOP thinks an ambassador does all the time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wrfatICxx0

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
4:44 pm

Somebody is lying. Think it might be the ones who have the most to lose? if Patraeus had any balls, he would go before the committee tomorrow and state that his admission that the raid was caused by a video was incorrect and that those in the WH and in the CIA knew it was incorrect all of the time. He should admit that he was covering for the president and his cronies, which he most certainly was. So was Rice, Holder and everyone in the media who swept this under the rug. You can run, Bozo, but you can’t hide.

hamiltonAZ

November 14th, 2012
4:44 pm

“This situation was screwed up royally from the beginning.”

Not sure there’s strong support for this comment other than people shouldn’t die at American Diplomatic locations. It is an unpredictable world and while we must keep our finger on the pulse, hindsight (as Billy Carter once opined) “ain’t wurf a dam”

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:44 pm

HAMILTON
Good comment and much agreed….

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:45 pm

Great movie call, hamilton!

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:46 pm

teamguy

It was his actions IN captivity…he was a real mensh and, yes, a hero…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:46 pm

K71 — “if Patraeus had any balls, he would go before the committee tomorrow and state that his admission that the raid was caused by a video was incorrect and that those in the WH and in the CIA knew it was incorrect all of the time. He should admit that he was covering for the president and his cronies, which he most certainly was.”

Evidence, please?

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
4:46 pm

teamguy, 4:42,

Spend 5 yrs in a North Vietnamese prison being tortured most every day without losing your dignity or making statements against your country and then tell me that that does not a hero make. You McCain detractors make me sick.

Sam M.

November 14th, 2012
4:48 pm

Really!
Who is this clown that wrote the statement about Obama
being envolved in a plot on the murdered Ambassador.
He must have graduated from Peter Pan University.
People are tired of the lies. Thanks

teamguy

November 14th, 2012
4:48 pm

What’s a “mensh”?

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:49 pm

team guy, by all accounts McCain was a royal pain in the butt to his captors, refusing to bend or break under torture for a LOOOONNNNNGG time. Everyone who was in the Hanoi Hilton speaks very highly of his courage under great duress, and he deserves a lot of respect for that. He certainly has mine.

But that heroism 40 years ago does not make him a good U.S. senator today.

teamguy

November 14th, 2012
4:49 pm

But he admitted he gave info to the enemy. ..not hero material.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
4:50 pm

Fred – On the previous blog you were upset with a poster for disrespecting the President. I’m good with that. However, another name that came up in this discussion, Joseph Lowery was disrespectful to President Bush (to his face) with some snide comments, but Bush to his credit turned the other cheek. Lowery lost any respect I might have given him at that point. Anybody can be a jerk. To be gracious is much more difficult.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
4:50 pm

‘ his admission that the raid was caused by a video was incorrect and that those in the WH and in the CIA knew it was incorrect all of the time. He should admit that he was covering for the president and his cronies, which he most certainly was. ‘

Well hecks bells, son…since you already know everything, why don’t you go testify…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:51 pm

K71 — “Spend 5 yrs in a North Vietnamese prison being tortured most every day without losing your dignity or making statements against your country and then tell me that that does not a hero make. You McCain detractors make me sick.”

It’s funny how you’ll slag all over Petraeus while defending McCain. Did you ever serve with either man?

FWIW, I haven’t said *anything* negative about McCain here; nor have I leapt to a bunch of unwarranted conclusions about Petraeus.

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
4:51 pm

‘You McCain detractors make me sick.’

And Max Cleland?

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:52 pm

teamguy, after you go through what McCain went through and still say nothing, you’ll have the credibility to be convincing on that point.

In the meantime…

GT

November 14th, 2012
4:52 pm

McCain has tried to get us into a war with Syria for several months. Now the rebel troops he wanted us to back are reportedly violating human rights in the same fashion as the government troops.

McCain is like the old man backseat driving while the young men and women of politics negotiate the real road and hazards this country is encountering. Graham represents a small state the backed Newt in this Republican primaries, nuff said.

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
4:53 pm

I’m not sure if Rice would be the best choice for secretary of state but in fairness the Benghazi tragedy can’t be laid at her feet. The spineless administration and state department sent her out to the television networks with information they knew was false. She in all probability thought she was providing an accurate accounting that Benghazi was a spontainious reaction to a ant-Muslim video and not a preplanned well coordinated terrorist attack. Of course her information has been proven false, however, she was only being used as a tool in a coverup attempt that’s failing miserably. It’s looking more and more likely that Patraeus thought he could skate through his indiscretion unscathed by giving the same Obama blame the video line to congress and the media. Maybe tossing Petraeus and unleashing this still uncertain email exchange story about General Allen the administration hopes to get the story off Benghazi and focus on a sex scandal. This administration is both ruthless and incompetent a scary combination. The next four years are going to be very tough.

josef

November 14th, 2012
4:53 pm

teamguy

Mensh is a Yiddishism that’s kind of hard to translate, but is about the highest accolade you can give a person. Actually, that’s what it means most literally “person.” But in the popular language, it is an individual who represents the finest and most humble qualities of the human being, who does what is right because it is right, no other reason.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
4:54 pm

Bookman, 4:49,

So, what the hell is a “good Senator”? Someone who goes along with all of the inane Bozo proposals that have sunk us deeper in debt and caused the Fiscal Cliff that we are about to jump over? Maybe if McCain would have been more compliant in his views, he might have gained the respect of someone so far up Bozo’s butt that he can’t see the light of day. But somehow, I don’t think that is what he has in mind.

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 14th, 2012
4:56 pm

JohnnyReb@3:49 pm

then its off to see the Wizard.
—————————————————-

Sheet night already?

And you know how he hates it when you leave the Grand off his title

:-)

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
4:57 pm

I guess after that uber-successful War on Women, the cons thought better of starting another one. (grin)

clem

November 14th, 2012
4:59 pm

bet rice could whip mccains arse, no for sure on graham

gm

November 14th, 2012
4:59 pm

Wow, McCain where was this fire when 3500 Americans died under W administration?

lets do the math 4 Americans dead to 3500 Americians on our soil, McCain still hates President for his landslide defeat, next up Romney in a couple months, angry white conservatives males are lining up.

Erwin's cat

November 14th, 2012
4:59 pm

Four Americans…really four? Good golly gosh…that many huh?

riiiiight…after all it was only 4 Americans…why all the drama, we lose that many in a Chicago weekend :roll:

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
4:59 pm

K71 — “So, what the hell is a “good Senator”? Someone who goes along with all of the inane Bozo proposals that have sunk us deeper in debt and caused the Fiscal Cliff that we are about to jump over?”

Man, you’ve gotten *nasty* since last week, K71. :(

I think if I set a gallon of milk out on the counter last week when you made your last appearance before the election and then picked it up yesterday when you returned, it’d be juuuuust about as sour as you are now.

I was trying to have some polite conversations with you last week, but now, I don’t think it’d be possible to do that any more. You just seem too hacked off and angry to make very good company. :(

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
5:00 pm

Oops, make that *would have thought* in my last.

And how about this for a chuckle.

That profile in courage, Sean Hannity says “Senator Kerry needs to be vetted, and he’s just the guy to do it.”

Once a swiftboating POS, always a swiftboating POS, I guess…

jconservative

November 14th, 2012
5:00 pm

I have no idea what kind of relationship Obama has with him but my nominee for State is Senator Dick Lugar.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:01 pm

C. Sense — “Sheet night already? And you know how he hates it when you leave the Grand off his title”

I thought it was a Bund meeting. :)

curious

November 14th, 2012
5:01 pm

Jay,

You do enjoy rattling the cages of all these conspiracy types, don’t you?

I can see them turning red in the face as they type another post. They should at least resolve one before going to the next.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
5:03 pm

Resign gop kooks..

BenDaho

November 14th, 2012
5:03 pm

That version of events turned out to be incorrect in one relatively small detail. Subsequent investigation has determined that there had not been “a small number of people” protesting outside the consulate before a force of roughly 150 armed men rushed the facility, killing U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. Three other Americans also died in the attacks.

Jay, the events happened on 9-11. Only a blind loyalist or a moron would buy into a youtube video causing this. Their trial balloon popped in grandiose fashion, yet as a “journalist?” you can not bring yourself to question anything that Obama does. You can’t even see the possibility of a cover up. You could step in a pile of O’s sh!t and swear it is manna from heaven..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:04 pm

jconservative — “I have no idea what kind of relationship Obama has with him but my nominee for State is Senator Dick Lugar.”

Sounds good to me. Lugar’s got a lot of experience in that area and he’ll be available to take the job, having lost his Senate seat.

I recommend former Senator Chuck Hagel for Defense or else Colin Powell.

josef

November 14th, 2012
5:05 pm

JHM

And which Bund would that be…? I thought my buddy JohnnyReb was a Zionist. Now you tell me he’s a Bundist…hmmm

clem

November 14th, 2012
5:10 pm

“get off my front yard” yells mcnasty

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
5:10 pm

“I recommend former Senator Chuck Hagel for Defense or else Colin Powell.”

Heavens, I actually agree with JHM on something.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
5:13 pm

Joe, 4:59,

Yeah, you are probably right. Nasty is probably too kind. I am in mourning. Officially. I just cannot see, for the life of me, how so many people could be so wrong. But these are the words of an old white guy that just can’t help it. And, for sure, it ain’t over yet, not by a long shot. Anger is not the right word…… sadness might describe it much better.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:14 pm

Recon — “Heavens, I actually agree with JHM on something.”

That’s you and Doom in one day, Recon.

Better watch out; you’ll be wearing Birkenstocks and smelling of patchouli before you know it! :D

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 14th, 2012
5:14 pm

Josef

I see छोटे मूत मूत है जो छोटी लड़की की तरह रोता is back :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 14th, 2012
5:18 pm

JHM

To round out your foursome all you need is yaker :-)

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
5:18 pm

Hagel for SecDef?!

Hell to the yeah!

A North Platte native and big Husker fan to boot!

And with guts enough to lambaste Bush/Cheney, calling Iraq “the most dangerous foreign-policy blunder in this country since Vietnam.”

lovelyliz

November 14th, 2012
5:19 pm

Anyone who nominates Sarah Palin to be VPOTUS automatically loses athe right to call anyone else unqualified for anything.

Repro

November 14th, 2012
5:20 pm

McCain has outlived his usefulness, and its high time he rode off into the sunset to live in one of his countless mansions. He has entered his second childhood.

clem

November 14th, 2012
5:21 pm

hagel for defense; powell for state; leave kerry in senate. if paul oneal still capable give him a chance since he was so right on tax cuts to begin with.

josef

November 14th, 2012
5:21 pm

COMMON SENSE

Yeah. But give him a break, it does get stuffy in there, ya know… :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:22 pm

K71 — “Yeah, you are probably right. Nasty is probably too kind. I am in mourning. Officially.”

Look, the world’s not going to come to an end over the election. I recognize that you’re upset, and that you maybe even feel misled and/or cheated. But frankly, I think the thing to do is to decompress a little bit — maybe even go cold turkey on politics for a little while — if it’s upsetting you this much.

Think of it like this: when you were younger and you got dumped by a GF, did you obsess over being dumped, hang around outside her window or just move along and get on with your life? The obsessing and hanging-on-to-upset part’s not healthy. It’ll lead you to kick the dog and yell at your wife (or worse, yell at the dog and kick your wife); believe me, I know.

And seriously, the more you let on that you’re upset, the more we’re going to needle you. It’s how Doom and I get along; when one of us gets a rise out of the other, we keep pick, pick, picking in order to get a reaction. You hang around in here too long while the pressure cooker’s on in your head, and you’re going to blow your stack and draw a red card.

So seriously, do the constructive thing and decompress a little. Let politics blow over for a little while; Jay’s will still be here when you get back.

Well, that’s my diagnosis and prescription, anyway. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:24 pm

C. Sense — “JHM To round out your foursome all you need is yaker ”

I’m working on him. :)

We were having some very polite discussions last week, and I’m trying to help him get back to the point where we can pick that back up again.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
5:24 pm

Jay

November 14th, 2012
4:18 pm
Right, Moderate.

Because a measly 13 “no” votes out of 48 Democratic senators (Rice 2005) is exactly like using a filibuster to block a confirmation vote from even taking place (Rice 2013).
++++
The measly 13 votes were the most since 1825. Were did I compare the use of a filibuster to block a vote to 13 no votes? In fact I don’t believe you can compare the two. How do you compare one person’s threat of filabuster to 13 people voting no. If the best counter you have is to put words in my mouth then your argument falls short. I merely point out that people who voted no in one case and yes in the other are essentially the same. And it may turn out that the Republicans are more hypocritical on this than Dems but that does not take away from the fact that C. Rice confirmation had the most nays up to this point and that Kerry, Boxer and Durbin are no better than McCain. I merely pointed out like most sales people you are only pointing out the characteristics that are convenient and failing to mention some of the contentious statements made by those in C. Rice’s confirmation.

So to answer Right Moderate, Right Jay nice try.

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/1/26/sen_byrd_rice_responsible_for_most

getalife

November 14th, 2012
5:27 pm

Don’t sign a petition cons.

Love it or leave it.

Get somewhere.

Jm

November 14th, 2012
5:27 pm

Obama doing a stellar job inspiring confidence in America, capitalism etc

Dow down a cool 185 more points

Just 680 points since he was elected

Obama, bad for America

As predicted

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
5:27 pm

JamVet,

Both Powell and Hagel are former military. Colin Powell at the senior brass level and Hagel a down in the mud and blood combat NCO infantryman. Both are moderate politically and would serve the military and country well in the capacity of Secretary of Defense. Far better picks than John Kerry who if nominated would be challenged down to the wire by Republicans.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
5:28 pm

No, don’t hire a republican because it ends with a stupid gop scandal.

josef

November 14th, 2012
5:29 pm

Aw. Kayaker is a crusty ole curmudgeon on the opposite side of the fence from me on just about every issue that comes down the pike, but he (unlike a few others) is not without redeeming qualities…

josef

November 14th, 2012
5:30 pm

getalife

Just being EOI here, but aren’t those petitions floating around now up to 30 states taking the option of “leaving it?”

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 14th, 2012
5:30 pm

JM

so tell us why the stock market was so high during his first term?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
5:30 pm

The Dow opened at 8279.63 on 1/20/09.

The Dow closed today at 12,570.95.

Geez….

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:31 pm

I know Brosephus agrees with Hagel as SecDef, so we appear to have an early favorite.

How about some other key Cabinet positions? Are some staying on, or is the President cleaning house?

How about Treasury? I think our cons are agreed that Geithner needs to go. Transportation? Agriculture? I could see Energy being important; even if we don’t push green energy, we definitely need to move forward with improving and upgrading the national power grid.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:34 pm

Recon — “Both Powell and Hagel are former military. Colin Powell at the senior brass level and Hagel a down in the mud and blood combat NCO infantryman. Both are moderate politically and would serve the military and country well in the capacity of Secretary of Defense.”

That’s why I like them both. IMO, SecDef and SecVA are positions that really should have a veteran filling them. I doubt he’d take it, but Jim Webb would be a good choice for one of those slots, too. From what i understand, Webb’s tired of and disgusted with politics.

Christopher London, Esq.

November 14th, 2012
5:35 pm

INSANE MCCAIN – The Landslide Loser to Obama STILL Has A Chip on his Shoulder
PTSD Senator on the Warpath In Serious Need of OBAMACARE

Mitt Romney lost the election to President Obama. The Democrats gained seated in the Senate and marginally closed the gap in the House but Republicans like serial opportunist John McCain and Lindsey Graham think that the Benghazi Scandal is their best hopes to hurt President Obama. According to ABC News the President bristled at their threat to ‘Block Susan Rice Nomination Over Benghazi’. McCain, channeling his inner crazy, thinks America needs to convene a Watergate styled panel to investigate the President.

Dr. Larry Hunter (former U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Chief Economist) in 2008 stated: “The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit old leaders stumbling around like zombies in a horror version of ‘Weekend With Bernie,’ handcuffed to a corpse.” Now that rotting corpse resembling a U.S. Senator who has had four years to stew over his landslide defeat to President Barack Obama has had to sit back flustered only to witness him get reelected. Angling for a scandal to tar and feather the President with, since we no longer lynch unacceptable black men in America, Insane McCain finally thinks he has found one and members of his Looney Tunes Party who have still not learned any lessons are going along with these two ass clowns. The only problem is that the ‘Benghazi debacle’ is a clear case of over reaching. Mitt Romney tried to take the President out with that one and now he sitting in one of his four homes watching the President on one of his wide screen televisions hoping that McCain and Lindsey can do what he and Paul Ryan could not do, take down a Democratic President.

Reasonable men no longer question John McCain’s manhood, values or character because it is by now clear to all that the “Fiction” of McCain’s legacy is a greater illusion than his testicular fortitude. The selling of the “Maverick John McCain” is a fiction perpetuated by his handlers and friends in the media. “WAR HEROES” do not run around telling anyone and everyone that they can find how how damn heroic that they are. Do they? Ever listen to Bruce Springsteen’s Song Glory Days? Heroes do not live to tell tall tales. Myths do. Heroes die. Liars never tell you how they graduated 4th from the bottom of their class at the Naval Academy, how their legacy admission is the only reason they were not expelled or that they were never promoted to Admiral because McCain was of such low intellect, had little if any intellectual curiosity about flight plan preparation, spent more of his time behind a bar stool and chasing skirts than actually studying, crashed numerous military aircraft and was hardly viewed by anyone at the Naval Academy as a serious Naval Aviator. In fact, he was more enamored with the title “Naval Aviator” then he was in actually becoming a marginally proficient pilot and he was known to have spent most of his time at the Naval Academy in a drunken stupor. McCain was a terrible pilot who crashed and destroyed many planes and probably should not have been given his assignment in Vietnam where he was shot down, briefly tortured and then sung like a canary for the Viet Cong. Ask Ross Perot and what he will tell you is that McCain is a soulless opportunistic fraud who gravitates towards the limelight and rests his laurels on—being shot down and tortured. Now if you want to ask whose incompetence resulted in more military deaths, you need only look at John McCain. If only he spent more of his time at the Naval Academy studying, learning how to fly a plane or giving up his legacy seat for someone more qualified and dedicated, maybe a few lives could have been spared.

John McCain who barely escaped from the Keating Five Scandal was literally the Madoff of his generation of U.S. Senators now thinks Benghazi is that scandal that can do to Obama what the Impeachment hearings did to Clinton. Let me tell Mr. McCain Ben Gazzi is an Italian guy from Brooklyn who wants his name back and that crazy old coot otherwise known as Insane McCain needs to find a retirement home already and get some Obamacare for his PTSD.

Mr. McCain, Ben Gazzi is an Italian guy from Brooklyn who wants his name back. Insane McCain is a crazy old coot who needs to find a retirement home already & get some Obamacare!

josef

November 14th, 2012
5:41 pm

CHRISTOPHER

I actually read what you wrote. You’re so full of sh*t. You sound like the swiftboaters. Have you no shame at all…?

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
5:42 pm

joseph, 5:30,

At last count, there were several. When, in recent history, has this happened to the electorate in this country? Not in my memory and I have been around for a long time. Half of the country is not happy, not happy at all. Does that mean that they are wrong and you are right? You liberals might gloat at the Bozo win, however, the gloating hits a dead end when someone asks, ” What the hell do we do now”? What is in store for us? The last four years have not been successful to say the least. Do you really think that Bozo and the gang will come across the isle and embrace the opposite side? You know, the other half of America. He is supposed to the president of all of the people, not just the ones he likes and that go along with his insanity. Half of America is saddened by this sorry excuse for a president…… nearly 50%. But he is too busy being Bozo. He doesn’t have time for detractors….. he is the PRESIDENT!! So gloat all you will…… but it has sort of an empty ring to it. Sort of like winning the battle but losing the war.

Georgia

November 14th, 2012
5:42 pm

Maybe it was naive of Americans to believe that a video would prompt more violence symptomatic of the Arab Spring. But the Salman Rushdie risked death for a novel. And some cartoon drawing of mohammed caused a real outburst not that long ago. Im probably in deep voodoo myself right now for not capitalizing mohammed. No, it’s this Patreus disaster that’s got everyone’s boxers in a bunch. He resigned awfully fast. If there was a classified materials breach, then this is the biggest story of the last five years. More likely it’s just regular old jersey shore life imitating art, and a bunch of horn dogs in high places. Great fun, though. Every new face is more intriguing than the last one, and more beautiful too. The only one rode hard and put away wet is poor Holly Patraeus. I wonder how the good general is fairing, having to weather the woman scorn. Oh, this is no ordinary woman scorn, indeed, this is more like FrankenScorn.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
5:43 pm

If I were Obama I would not nominate Rice because you are going to allow the Republicans to drill her on Benghazi. However, it now becomes a game of chicken with someone who really can’t lose. What does McCain have to lose? He can retire whenever he wants.

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
5:45 pm

“But the Salman Rushdie risked death for a novel”

I don’t think that’s accurate. His life was certainly put in danger because of the novel he wrote, but I don’t think he knew in advance that it would cause such a stir.

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
5:45 pm

JHM,

I have a high regard for Jim Webb but he’s a maverick of maverick’s and I don’t think he would fit well in an Obama administration or any administration. His fling as the Sec. of Navy didn’t work out too well and not because he was doing a poor job.

deegee

November 14th, 2012
5:46 pm

Maybe John McCain wants to be Secretary of State. Wouldn’t he be a hoot?

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
5:46 pm

“If I were Obama I would not nominate Rice because you are going to allow the Republicans to drill her on Benghazi”

Somehow I don’t think she’ll disolve in tears and rush out of the room. She works at the UN. She’s tough, she can handle it.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
5:48 pm

John Bolton would be a good choice. Do I see liberal heads exploding?

Cosby

November 14th, 2012
5:48 pm

Rice is just another puppet in the Barry showcase. One would think someone with the credentials of Rice would have a mind of her own..but I guess being a puppet is ok with her. On another note, I am tired of hearing about taxing the rich…CBO, and most financial experts say if you took all their wealthm, the government could run for about a month…now this tax the rich theme seems like small ‘taters when it comes to the real problem..kind of like a snow flake on a ice berg…so why does Barry not address the real problem rather than using a cliche’..but wait, the news media repeats it like it will be a big deal and cut the budget to 0….but then I guess the stupid US citizen and about 2/3rds of the media are really that stupid.

independent thinker

November 14th, 2012
5:48 pm

The ambassador was in Benghazi because with the CIA they were trying to get the bad guys and crazies to surrender and let the US backed new government do its job. I think I remember a period in Iraq war where the government was touch and go with the radicals trying to overthrow it.How it was decided for the Ambassador to do this without further protection remains to be seen but it is clear the US was trying to keep a low profile to gain trust of the locals.
The whole Benghazi craziness was amplified by the cons, Faux News and that crazy broad sleeping with Petraeus. Even Breitbart admits she put out along with Fox false stories about CIA having warnings and holding prisoners based on inside sources. . Yes Breitbart- November 12. Pretty scary when a president has CIA, the Murdoch media and opposition party all ganging up on him. One wonders what would have occured on November 7 if Romney won. Petreaus and the broad probably would have been rewarded handsomely. Maybe Cantor was trying to get slut no. 2 some rewards too.

josef

November 14th, 2012
5:49 pm

kayaker

I will disagree on half the country being saddened to despair. Maybe 20 %, Most of those who voted for Romney are quite capable of living with the outcome. Like I’ve said here before, almost 50% of the electorate didn’t bother to participate. Half the country don’t give a happy sh*t….

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
5:50 pm

“John Bolton would be a good choice. Do I see liberal heads exploding?”

Too soon to ask. Give us some time to quit laughing first.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
5:51 pm

“John Bolton would be a good choice. Do I see liberal heads exploding?”

Laughing, yes. Exploding, not so much, no.

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
5:52 pm

Josef – got something that might make you feel a bit better about being “technologically challenged” My new PC came with 2 plugin devices and try as I might, I couldn’t figure out what they were. So I took pictures and sent them to tech support at HP…and they can’t identify them either!

getalife

November 14th, 2012
5:52 pm

josef,

They should self deport.

Good riddance.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
5:52 pm

Give us some time to quit laughing first.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Four years sounds about right.

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
5:52 pm

Jay – GMTA?

getalife

November 14th, 2012
5:53 pm

bolton embarrassed our country.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:54 pm

Just did some quick Googling and there’s apparently a female candidate for SecDef or National Security Adviser. Michele Flournoy is a former Undersecretary of Defense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Flournoy

I know nothing about her, but apparently she’s on the short list.

Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’ to Minorities and Young Voters

November 14th, 2012
5:54 pm

A week after losing the presidential election to President Obama, Mitt Romney blamed his overwhelming electoral loss on what he said were big “gifts” that the president had bestowed on loyal Democratic constituencies — including young voters, African-Americans and Hispanics.
In a conference call on Wednesday afternoon with his national finance committee, Mr. Romney said that the president had followed the “old playbook” of wooing specific interest groups — “especially the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people,” Mr. Romney explained — with targeted gifts and initiatives.
“In each case they were very generous in what they gave to those groups,” Mr. Romney said.
“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest, was a big gift,” he said. “Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/romney-blames-loss-on-obamas-gifts-to-minorities-and-young-voters/

Lord Help Us

November 14th, 2012
5:55 pm

‘John Bolton would be a good choice. ‘

Allen West is looking for work…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:55 pm

K71 — “John Bolton would be a good choice. Do I see liberal heads exploding?”

For what, Secretary of Bad Temper?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 14th, 2012
5:56 pm

Okay, I’m out. All be well and drive safely.

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
5:56 pm

“Mitt Romney blamed his overwhelming electoral loss on what he said were big “gifts” that the president had bestowed on loyal Democratic constituencies ”

Looks like it’s a good think we didn’t elect that crybaby to be President

TM

November 14th, 2012
5:58 pm

Sargent Rice Schultz—-I Know nothing except what I am told to say. She is either the biggest political hack for the administration or she must be having an affair that has not yet been disclosed.

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
6:00 pm

“I Know nothing except what I am told to say”

Yes, we’ve figured that out about you already. No need for you to brag about it.

josef

November 14th, 2012
6:03 pm

DOGGONE

Confirming my long-held suspicions! :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 14th, 2012
6:07 pm

Well, it’s blog posts like Bookman’s here that make me a little sad to be getting older. People ain’t ready to cut old Cancer Face McCain any slack at all. I want to know, what’s wrong with telling a bunch of brats to get off your lawn? So what if you live in Arizona and don’t even have a lawn, just a bunch of sand? It’s the principle of the thing.

Anyway, I was about ready to write McCain’s outburst off as just more ranting by a maniac a little partisan griping when I seen that picture of the Rice woman. Why, she’s one of Those People! Even Obama should have more sense than that.

I guess I’d better sign off for the night. Old Ace gets a little jealous of this laptop and starts nuzzling it, wanting his share of the fried pork rinds. Have a good night everybody.

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 14th, 2012
6:10 pm

John Bolton for snake catcher maybe :-)

Veteran Observer

November 14th, 2012
6:12 pm

Senator McCain is doing his job of advising the president on his position on Ambassador Rice. Mr Obama would know that if he had any real experience to bring to his job! As long as this man refuses to listen and learn we will suffer as a country! He should stop the posturing as the campaign is over and begin to mend fences with the opposition! Otherwise, he will be a lame duck president without any power or accomplishments!! This discussion is not about Senator McCain, it is about this president and the 50% of the American public he doesn’t represent!

TM

November 14th, 2012
6:12 pm

McCain should just go on the Senate floor and call Rice a liar. Reid has already shown that this is what the senate should do

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 14th, 2012
6:12 pm

Hell Sam Nunn is younger than McCain he would be great LOL

F. Sinkwich

November 14th, 2012
6:14 pm

Much ado about nothing.

Once O’bozo nominates Susan Rice for SEC STATE, his MSM amen chorus will sing her praises in four part harmony, a capella. Then do it again with the Boston Pops just to be sure everyone in America knows how blessed this nation is that she is humbling herself to serve.

She can do no wrong, or has ever done so.

Plus, even if she did, that ho Condy did worse. Right Jay?

Sure, double down on conservative crap

November 14th, 2012
6:15 pm

This….from the man who brought she who shall not be named out of Alaska and into the spot light that showed her to be completely inept and ignorant of basic facts. I use to have respect for John McCain, but after his ridiculous choice of SP for VP I lost all respect for him. He has morphed into an angry partisan old man who needs to retire. Please John McCain, stop making yourself look senile

josef

November 14th, 2012
6:16 pm

VETERAN

Dumb ass…he represents ALL Americans…just like every President from George Washington forward with a brief break in the 1860s…

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
6:17 pm

Bozo can’t cover this up with an executive order like he did F&F. This is way out of the park for that sort of chicanery. The public will know the truth. This is too big to hide. And you liberals damn well know it.

Sure, double down on conservative crap

November 14th, 2012
6:20 pm

By reading a few of these comments I see that most of the GOP is still reluctant to recognize that their party is not what the majority of Americans voted for. As my name suggests , they will continue to cling to the belief that they alone know what is best for everyone. YOU LOST……….face facts, leave the bubble.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
6:21 pm

Bolton for Secretary of Mustaches!

Georgia

November 14th, 2012
6:21 pm

Well, it’s only been one week, but all the talk show hosts on the Right are out of material. Hannity, Rush, Beck, and all the clones have only one word that they use all day long: “REALLY?”

Really is the most overused word now and has been for a long time.. Really is not a point. Really is a self aggrandizing tick where the person saying it kinda leans forward and shakes their head as if they were saying, “I know you din’t”. and then that person thinks they’ve won the argument, or made some game-changing insight, (another overused pos phrase)

That’s all they’ve got one week in: really.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
6:22 pm

joseph, 6:16,

“he represents ALL Americans”……. now that’s about the most inane statement that you have made in awhile. He represents those that support him and his ideology…… nothing else. I am surprised that you would make a statement like that.

Sure, double down on conservative crap

November 14th, 2012
6:22 pm

The big revelations here is MUSLIM CAN ACT LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE, Who Knew??? C Rice allowed thousands of Americans to be blow to bits because she messed up and did not connect the dots. There is your smoking gun you weirdos

Tealiban Party

November 14th, 2012
6:24 pm

Does this mean his Arizona constituants can filibuster John McCain out of the Senate?

“I think we’re doing fine [in Afghanistan]…I think we’ll do fine. The second phase – if I could just make one, very quickly – the second phase is Iraq. There is some indication, and I don’t have the conclusions, but some of this anthrax may – and I emphasize may – have come from Iraq.”
John McCain, on the fall 2001 anthrax attacks in the U.S., October 18, 2001.
“Proponents of containment claim that Iraq is in a “box.” But it is a box with no lid, no bottom, and whose sides are falling out. Within this box are definitive footprints of germ, chemical and nuclear programs.”
John McCain, February 13, 2003.

“I remain confident that we will find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
John McCain, June 11, 2003.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
6:25 pm

Yes, Susan Rice replaces Hillary.

You don’t even know the facts yet silly.

Speculation .

Tealiban Party

November 14th, 2012
6:26 pm

Actually, here is the whole article where you can see just how wrong John McCain has been in all matters of foreign policy….

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/28/1095391/-Memorial-Day-Memories-from-John-McCain

F. Sinkwich

November 14th, 2012
6:27 pm

“YOU LOST……….face facts, leave the bubble.”

See my previous posts, whoever you are.

Takers won.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
6:28 pm

Angus King.votes with the Dems.

They should cap filibusters.

josef

November 14th, 2012
6:28 pm

kayaker

Not at all. He is the duly elected President of the republic. He represents US, the citizens and nationals thereof. You may or may not like it, I may or may not like it, but that’s the way the game is played.

clem

November 14th, 2012
6:28 pm

dipwad price lost; there may be hope

getalife

November 14th, 2012
6:29 pm

filky,

Still depressed?

16 is right around the corner.

Chin up American.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
6:33 pm

We need backlash for the senators like mccain running his mouth when he does not know all the facts.

F. Sinkwich

November 14th, 2012
6:33 pm

Shoot, O’bozo can nominate avowed commie Van Jones for SEC DEF and Jay and his minions will swoon.

willie lynch

November 14th, 2012
6:34 pm

Erwin’s cat
November 14th, 2012
4:59 pm

“riiiiight…after all it was only 4 Americans…why all the drama, we lose that many in a Chicago weekend.”

Hell we lose that many in Gwinnett over a weekend.

booger

November 14th, 2012
6:35 pm

A debate moderator comes in to block for Obama and confirms that Obama did call the attack a “terrorist” attack on the first day. Five days later Rice, as a White House spokesman states that it appears to be a reaction to the video on five different broadcasts. I’m sorry but you can’t have it both ways.

It’s also interesting that Generals Petraus and Allen sexual adventures have become the center piece of the main stream media’s attention while Libya, where our soverign territory was attacked, and four people were killed, has died a quite death.

F. Sinkwich

November 14th, 2012
6:35 pm

“He represents US, the citizens and nationals thereof.”

Yep. That’s why America is so over. I get it.

TM

November 14th, 2012
6:36 pm

getalife- what about your guy Reid- does he get a free pass for running his mouth

Jym Allyn

November 14th, 2012
6:36 pm

McCain was, is, and always will be a self-serving hot dog. Those who knew him in flight school knew that his primary reason for becoming a pilot is that it increased his chances of getting laid.
He also left his first wife for the opportunity to marry the rich daughter of a liquor distributor.
He not only thinks that the war in Vietnam was honorable but was wrong about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.

The irony of McCain and the Faux Heads is that it was the CIA who screwed up in Benghazi and the confused reports that seem to come from Obama were caused by the CIA misinformation. Obama’s restraint on the matter was his being responsible and NOT causing further damage to the CIA.

HOWEVER, the architect of the sham “surge” in Iraq and our “mission impossible” pacification in Afghanistan is someone named David Petraeus, who is the darling of the Neo-Conned and the Faux Head fools. The sperm and blood on Petraeus’ samurai sword only make McCain and the Neo-Conned look even more foolish.

atljack

November 14th, 2012
6:37 pm

I truly enjoy the right-wing nonsense I see on blogs.

You have lost 4 of the last 6 Presidential elections in the past 24 years. And really you lost 5 of 6. Gore beat Bush by 500,000 votes and had only a 535 vote lead (by GOP measure) and the Supremes would not allow a recount)

So keep on with the Benghazi conspiracy, the born in Kenya nonsense, the “show us the college records nonsense ( Obama graduated Magna from Harvard Law School) and basically just wild, accusations over and over and over.

Keep it up. I enjoy it and it keeps a Democrat in the White House.

Banderson

November 14th, 2012
6:38 pm

McCain fights to stay relevant to the party base and here we are discussing him. He knows that the crazies are the GOP primary voters, so he needs to say what they want to hear. Power, folks, just give him the power.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
6:38 pm

The Patreaus scandal is the only scandal.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
6:39 pm

Tamario Wise….. only 19 years old and one of the leaders of the Jack Boys gang……. the gift that keeps on giving.

Georgia

November 14th, 2012
6:40 pm

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
6:41 pm

Current members who voted against Condoleezza Rice. Maybe they are not as bad as McCain who is threatening a filibuster but the fact Jay failed to mention any of these is a convenient omission like selling a used car without informing someone it has been in a wreck. McCain will pay dearly for his partisan attack on on Obama’s nominee just like these Senators.(Sarcasm)
John ‘Jack’ Francis Reed
Frank R. Lautenberg
Mark Dayton
Carl Levin
John Forbes Kerry
Richard J. ‘Dick’ Durbin
Daniel Kahikina Akaka Sr.
Thomas ‘Tom’ Harkin

Personally, I would not have nominated her. I think the Benghazi thing will die down. I think it is more of failure than a cover-up but it does keep the story on the front page.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
6:41 pm

tm,

Reid owned mitt.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
6:44 pm

John McCain is an old crabby coot who craves attention and thinks he should be held up as the standardbearer for military/foreign policy simply because he was unfortunate enough to be captured as a POW. Boy has he ridden THAT gravytrain off the rails long long ago. Still bitter about getting his duff handed to him in ‘08. And his sidekick Lindsay Graham – “Haaayyyy…how YOU doin’?!” *two snaps*. They are both annoying as hell. Retire PLEASE!!!!

TM

November 14th, 2012
6:45 pm

Getalife = he did, but he lied on the senate floor but in your world its okay because he is one of you.

Tealiban Party

November 14th, 2012
6:47 pm

kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
4:20 pm
Romney…. 320. Bozo…. 218. Count on it.

Hooray! Kayaker is back. I was started to worry would detect a rotting smell until finding him slumped over his keyboard. Welcome back ‘yaker!

Travis McGee

November 14th, 2012
6:51 pm

McCain and Graham are apoplectic and angry because of the trouble General Petraeus got himself in.

These ol’ boys had a bromance with the General and I know they have their feelings hurt. Everyone just show a little patience and compassion for McCain and Graham. It’s tough being dumped!

Georgia

November 14th, 2012
6:52 pm

“Dinner’s ready”, said Holly. “I’ll be right down, dear”, said the man in camouflage. He slunk into the dining room in the few seconds Holly had her back turned adjusting the curtains. Holly turned, momentarily surprised by how slippery the man in camouflage had become. He looked down at the plate and saw the frozen tv dinner, still frozen. “Dear? This dinner is….” “IS WHAT?” demanded Holly. “nothing.” Holly sat down across from the man in camouflage, and began to salt her ribeye.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
6:55 pm

Glad to see many folks here are affirming my opinion of Crash McCain.
He is an embarassment to Arizona and to the Nation.

jerry

November 14th, 2012
6:59 pm

I lost all respect for McCain when he picked the idiot as his running mate. Now he and Gaham are throwing their little tantrum. Poor little boys.

TM

November 14th, 2012
7:03 pm

Don’t worry Jerry you will have Kerry as your SOD so all will be good and safe

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 14th, 2012
7:05 pm

How exactly is McCain truly any different from the balance of DEMS and GOP in Congress? I’m not getting it…they have much more in common than not..

Also, if Petreas had a mistress and was head of CIA and got outed..maybe he shouldn’t be leading CIA:-) If all elected folks in DC were outed for affairs, who would govern…not like this isn’t generally accepted until you get busted…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 14th, 2012
7:06 pm

TM

What were those boats Kerry captained…or didn’t? I forgot…

please

November 14th, 2012
7:11 pm

still mad because he lost; where was McCain when bush lied noboby said nothing let him go found the WMD because we are stilll waiting

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
7:12 pm

McCain is the original “flip – flopper”. Check his changing stance on illegal immigration.

Jackie

November 14th, 2012
7:13 pm

Wonder if Sens. McCain and Graham were in the security briefing offered by the CIA and signed off on by Gen. Petraeus?

Did they not pay attention to what was said?

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
7:13 pm

Most U.S. Sentors you rarely see on T.V or hear about in the news.

JOHN MCCAIN on the other hand has NEVER seen a camera that he didn’t like! THAT’S the difference (and problem) with John McCain. He seeks to politicize and turn EVERYTHING into a scandal or personal “failure” of his political adversaries. It’s despicable. And Lindsay Graham is nothing more than McCain’s lapboy.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:15 pm

Hey Barking Frog – At least McCain wasn’t a draft dodger, like Mr. Clinton.

Will the "REAL" Mitt Romney sit down and shut up?

November 14th, 2012
7:15 pm

Jackie

November 14th, 2012
7:17 pm

Maybe Sen. McCain (R-AZ) should get with the governor of the state he represents and find out why they have failed to count the ballots in the past election. Last I heard, there are more than 300,000 votes still awaiting verification.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:22 pm

Hey Krystal, all politicians have never met a camera they haven’t been ready to be in front of. It’s all about ego.

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
7:25 pm

Dharma Bum

November 14th, 2012
7:28 pm

It is quite sad to see people on this blog mocking and minimizing a terrorist attack that left four Americans dead simply because this time around it occurred on a Democrat’s watch… I don’t think anyone here truly believes that the administration has been completely clear on the issue and what harm could a more thorough investigation possibly have?

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
7:29 pm

@Nunna

That is a generality and does not wash. Like I said…there are 100 U.S. Senators. Give me ONE who has given more face time OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS to the camera than John McCain?

I’ll be waiting…

BK

November 14th, 2012
7:31 pm

This White House, along with the Pentagon and State Department are lying though their teeth regarding the events that occured in Benghazi. What is being overlooked, which I truly believe is by design, is the fact that within minutes of the onset of the attack, a flash coded message was sent to all three of the above listed places in addition to the CIA and other military intellegence POC’s in the high level loop. Shortly after the attack began, a drone was launched and was feeding LIVE video of the events unfolding in real time to the White House Situation Room, DOD, CIA, State and other required departments. They were watching this BS unfold people as it was happening. Ambassador Stevens sent message traffic to Sec. Clinton as far back as mid August stating the need for increased security due to the deteriorating security situation in the area and there were at least 10 insurgent groups imbedded in Benghazi and the embassy could not sustain a head on assault. Stevens repeated requests for more security up through and including 9/11 were denied. The CIA contingent in the area along with other reaction forces were told to stand down. We owe our utmost honor to both ex-SEAL’s, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, who denied those orders and went to the aid of Americans in peril, a gallant effort that ultimately cost them their lives. So, Mr. President and tough guy VP Biden, which of you will have the “Balls” as Biden digustedly conveyed to Tyrone Wood’s father regarding their actions, to man up as they did and have the courage to tell the truth?

Recon 0311 2533

November 14th, 2012
7:31 pm

” I was started to worry would detect a rotting smell until finding him slumped over his keyboard.”

Some on the left have issues with grammar. It’s the 20% of the 47% that the Democrats successfully carried to the polls.

TM

November 14th, 2012
7:34 pm

I don;t know maybe a guy named Kennedy or Lieberman

Jay

November 14th, 2012
7:36 pm

Dharma, I know of no one on the blog who opposes a complete, honest and fair investigation into what happened in Benghazi. I for one think such an investigation is a necessity.

My problem is with those who jump to far-fetched conclusions and then explain the lack of supportive facts as some sort of conspiracy.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:37 pm

Kerry, Hillary, Moynihan, Feinstein, Franken, Leahy, Lieberman, Reid to name a few.

saywhat?

November 14th, 2012
7:38 pm

BK- 90% of what you wrote has already been debunked as simply not true.
Perhaps you need to take your special suit off? See here for an explanation: http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/user/225266/TMW2012-11-14colorLARGE.jpeg

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:38 pm

Oh yeah, I left off Kennedy.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
7:39 pm

Don’t leave your bubble cons.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
7:39 pm

Nunna Yobinnes @ 7:15 That is true but that does not improve his character.

Jack ®

November 14th, 2012
7:41 pm

Just give the lady the job and be done with it. Obama could have recommended Cynthia McKinney for the job and would have received support from the liberals.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:42 pm

Jack – that is a very frightening thought.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
7:43 pm

“We owe our utmost honor to both ex-SEAL’s, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, who denied those orders and went to the aid of Americans in peril,”

HAHAHahaha.

I guess you didn’t get the memo that these two guys were EMPLOYED BY the CIA hunh??? The CIA had an operating location AT the Benghazi compound! Like I said before out here….THERE IS MORE TO THIS WHOLE THING THAN IS BEING TOLD. Be upset, “pissed” or whatever you want to call it, believing the “guvment” owes YOU PEOPLE some sort of explanation. Just like with anything of this nature, YOU DON’T HAVE THE”NEED TO KNOW”, and until stuff is declassified for public consumption and the “guvment” has its story together, you WON’T know. I don’t care what administration is in charge.

Yep, you can just about guarantee there was shady stuff going on. Surprising to me? No, because of my own background in this area. Get over it people. Our government propagandizes us (well….YOU) our country does a lot of dirt in order for you to enjoy your “freedom” and (fake) “patriotism”. Just get over it, and live your lives.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
7:44 pm

Obama could have recommended Cynthia McKinney for the job and would have received support from the liberals.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

clem

November 14th, 2012
7:44 pm

am not that high on rice, but the attacks by mccain and graham border on cowardice. lindsay’s response to being b!tch slapped by obama is hilarious. didn’t they learn from the powell episode who was advocating for their flawed approach.

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
7:44 pm

Jack – THAT is good and true!

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:46 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to present our new Secretary of State, the village idiot, oops I mean Cynthia McKinney.

saywhat?

November 14th, 2012
7:48 pm

Jack ®

November 14th, 2012
7:41 pm
Just give the lady the job and be done with it. Obama could have recommended Cynthia McKinney for the job and would have received support from the liberals.
_______________________________________________________
Don’t be an idiot. At the Liberals Planning to Destroy America meeting last week, Obama clearly stated that he planned to nominate McKinney for the next Supreme Court opening.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
7:48 pm

@Nunna

I’m STILL waiting….

bob

November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm

Can someone please tell McCain that this happened because of that dreadful video ? The gut the made it in now in jail, we should drop this story. So what if a few people died ! Had Bush been in office his admin would not have understood that you should not hurt the feeling of muslims by releasing a mean spirited video. I saw the video and it implied that Allah had sex with a 9 year old girl, everybody knows a great leader like Allah would never do that. Jay, McCain is not half the man you are and Susan Rice was right, this was the result of a spontaneous demonstration that went awry. I think we have a video showing that demonstration don’t they ?

Jefferson

November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm

Nunna Yobinnes
Can you see what Jack is typing before he posts it ?

stands for decibels

November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm

go before the committee tomorrow and state that his admission that the raid was caused by a video was incorrect

Another guy clinging to this “they lied about the riot” theory.

I’ll ask K71 the same question i asked upthread–if you were going to make up a story, and have your State Dept spread it, why on earth would you go with THAT one?

Why would you feed into so many right wing extremists’ paranoia and tell them that the attack was caused by an irrational violent response to a film trailer?

Four hours after I posted my original inquiry, It. Still. Makes. No. Sense.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:50 pm

Krystal – 7:37 and 7:42 weren’t good enough for you?

saywhat?

November 14th, 2012
7:50 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:51 pm

Barking frog – no I cannot. My telepathic powers have just not ever really developed.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
7:53 pm

saywhat?
and thus the increase in gun sales among Republicans…

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:55 pm

barking frog – increased gun sales might be due to concerns about fanatical nutcases waiting for 12/21/12.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
7:56 pm

“Florida man who warned he wouldn’t ‘be around’ if Barack Obama was reelected kills himself after the election”

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
7:56 pm

@Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:50 pm

LOL… So you rattle off a list of names of senators (which ALL just so happen to be Dem senators) just for the sake of rattling names and not answering the question? Nevermind answering the question. Of course you KNOW I can prove you immediately wrong by googling up EVERY John-McCain-on-eventX video and do the same for each of those other senators and come nowhere close to matching McCain’s mediawhoredom. Why bother though? Nice try kiddo.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:58 pm

Krystal – I would have thrown in some Republican senators’ names, but I was afraid you might go into cardiac arrest.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
7:59 pm

Nunna Yobinnes
too bad.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm

Krystal’sBalls
November 14th, 2012
6:44 pm

he was unfortunate enough to be captured as a POW. Boy has he ridden THAT gravytrain off the rails long long ago.
++++
The gravytrain of being a POW. Yea.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:01 pm

Just to make sure I understand, you don’t think Kennedy, Hillary, Moynihan and Franken aren’t/weren’t on major ego trips? I don’t know whether they were on camera more than McCain or not. I just know that if they didn’t get their requisite media attention, they do/did something to get themselves back in the limelight.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:03 pm

Barking frog – how are your telepathic powers doing lately?

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:03 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
7:55 pm

barking frog – increased gun sales might be due to concerns about fanatical nutcases waiting for 12/21/12.
…………………
I think they are mostly due to post election suicidal Republicans.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:05 pm

BF – I dunno. I’m considering purchasing some more ammo. Some folks are nuts about the 12/21 stuff.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
8:06 pm

Ahhh what the heck. I figured I’d go ahead and test out my little theory @Nunna by Youtube searching for the senators. Behold!!!

John McCain – About 157,000 results

John Kerry – About 36,400 results

Harry Reid – About 23,200 results

Hilary Clinton – About 25,000 results

Joe Leiberman – About 3,900 results

I just stopped there dude. I figured if I cannot get a decent number out of Clinton and Kerry I sure as h377 am not going to get much out of ….Diane Feinstein?? Nevermind though, we all know the truth.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:07 pm

Oh, and Susan Rice is a whole lot cuter than Condi Rice. I don’t know if she has enough experience to be Secretary of State though. I don’t know that much about her.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:07 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:03 pm

Barking frog – how are your telepathic powers doing lately?
………………
pretty good. I predict that Obama/Biden wil win the 2012 election.

Rightwing Troll

November 14th, 2012
8:07 pm

As I’ve said all along, where are all the tears for the 4000+ troops who died in Iraq based on W, Cheney, and Rummy’s lies?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:09 pm

Very good Krystal. I stand corrected. However, that does not change the fact that quite a few of our senators need more than their fair share of attention.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm

@Nunna. You might find it surprising that I don’t care if you provide “Republican names”. My point and challenge for you was to back up your claim (I called it what it was – a generalization) that there was ONE senator who was a bigger media you know what than McCain.

You failed. There IS no bigger one than McCain. Period. ALWAYS in front of a camera trying to make himself seem big.

Jackie

November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm

@Rightwing Troll

Your question is much too hard for the so-called conservatives to answer. They don’t have a bumper sticker response.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm

Nunna Yobinnes
It’s o.k. go ahead and buy and if 12/21 doesn’t happen you can use it
as a present to celebrate Jesus’ birthday

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:12 pm

Rightwing troll – Where are the tears for the 3000 who died on 9/11 because Clinton chose not to pursue Bin Laden. Give it a rest.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
8:12 pm

Jay
November 14th, 2012
7:36 pm

Dharma, I know of no one on the blog who opposes a complete, honest and fair investigation into what happened in Benghazi. I for one think such an investigation is a necessity.

My problem is with those who jump to far-fetched conclusions and then explain the lack of supportive facts as some sort of conspiracy.
++++
Seriously Jay. How many times have you not read the mind of those you disagree with and found nothing but impure intentions. People always jump to conclusion when looking at the other side. That is why many on the right believe Obama was born in Kenya despite no evidence other than is father being from a foreign country. On the left many believe Bush had prior knowledge of 911.

Both sides are willing to believe the worse in the other which is the worse thing about both sides. This driven by ego of both sides in believing they are always right and those who disagree are immoral or evil.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/More_than_half_of_Democrats_believed_Bush_knew.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
8:13 pm

It’s o.k. go ahead and buy and if 12/21 doesn’t happen you can use it
as a present to celebrate Jesus’ birthday

Jesus wants a .40 cal. or larger.

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
8:13 pm

I know Brosephus agrees with Hagel as SecDef, so we appear to have an early favorite.

:)

I was discussing this on a different news site, and after Hagel’s name was agreed upon, Lugar’s came up just as it did here. Maybe “the people” need to become more vocal in order to get the ear of the president. There seems to be agreement accross the board with those names.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:15 pm

So you guys don’t have any concerns about some of these fanatics will do around 12/21/12 just to ensure their survival?

Don’t like Jesus on this blog. Must make a note.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm

@Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm

I know I shouldn’t waste my time even chopping this thing up for you. I do expect people to have a minimal level of intelligence out here. But then again this is AJC blogging.

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm

Moderate Line – well said.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
8:17 pm

What’s happening 12/21…other than NOTHING?

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:18 pm

I think the Prez should nominate Petraeus for SecDef.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:18 pm

Krystal – I gather from your comment to Moderate Line that you believe that extreme positions by both parties is appropriate, or just Democrats?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:19 pm

Krystal – you and I know nothing will happen, but you can never tell what some fanatics might do.

Brosephus™

November 14th, 2012
8:19 pm

I see I came right back into one of those classic left/right pissing contests…

And now I’m headed right back out. Check y’all later….

Mick

November 14th, 2012
8:20 pm

**Officially. I just cannot see, for the life of me, how so many people could be so wrong.** yaker

A smart man always assesses his options, it just could be that you are wrong about the president and those others are right.
Doesn’t really matter because you need this president to displace your anger and guess what? You have four more years to blame everything in the universe on obama! It’s therapeutic but just remember some truth, the price of gas is dropping like lead, is that obama’s fault too???

Joe Middle of the Road

November 14th, 2012
8:21 pm

You make valid points about Condoleezza Rice telling untruths to the American public about Saddam Hussein and Iraq’s nuclear program. But Susan Rice is no better, as she told the American public untruths about the Benghazi attack. If Susan did not know what caused the Benghazi attack, wouldn’t it have been better not to say anything about the anti-muslim film? I don’t believe either Susan or Condi Rice lied by telling intentionally false statements, but they both did spin their party’s position on a situation before all of the facts were known.. Does this disqualify Susan Rice to be Secretary of State? Inevitably, it i not up to us to decide, but our representatives in Congress.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:21 pm

BR – He might would have made a good one, but now his future has gone the way of his boxers.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:22 pm

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:22 pm

Mick
price of gas in Miami $6.44 per gallon. Republicans are lining up.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
8:23 pm

…the price of gas is dropping like lead…

That just can’t be true, ’cause I was assured on this very blog — multiple times — that gasoline would be $6 a gallon by election day.

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:25 pm

Nunna Yobinnes
Maybe, but the nomination fight would be classic.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:26 pm

Nah, all gas is unleaded now. No lead dropping.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
8:26 pm

I don’t take to extremity regardless of political affiliation. I really don’t. However, you can’t put BS to me that is handed to you by the likes of Rush Limbaugh or others like Donald Trump (like sealed college records and that type of garbage) and expect me to take you seriously.

I believing in PROVING my arguments, and not from political party agenda or conspiracy theory websites. I believe in taking the words that come from the individuals lips IN THE CONTEXT that they spoke, rather than the spin put on it by pundits. I believe in having discussion using MY OWN words, not the taglines given to me by a radio talk show host or ta talking point. Those types of things.

Mick

November 14th, 2012
8:26 pm

frog

Miami is paradise this time of year and it only gets better.
Obama took a lot of republican votes, must’ve been the dream act…

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
8:28 pm

“that gasoline would be $6 a gallon by election day”

Hmmm, do you think your Mom will give you some more money for gas?

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
8:28 pm

I butchered my last post. Have to handle something…

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:28 pm

Krystal, maybe we were referring to different posts. This is what I was talking about:

“Seriously Jay. How many times have you not read the mind of those you disagree with and found nothing but impure intentions. People always jump to conclusion when looking at the other side. That is why many on the right believe Obama was born in Kenya despite no evidence other than is father being from a foreign country. On the left many believe Bush had prior knowledge of 911.

Both sides are willing to believe the worse in the other which is the worse thing about both sides. This driven by ego of both sides in believing they are always right and those who disagree are immoral or evil.”

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:29 pm

Mick
I think it was more that hey wanted him to continue the Obamacare enactment.

Mick

November 14th, 2012
8:30 pm

If the oil companies had it in for obama then gas would’ve went to $6 a gallon. I guess it’s true that the market dictates price or he got lucky in their business cycle.
Who the hell really knows when it comes to oil companies, it’s a mystery…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
8:30 pm

Hmmm, do you think your Mom will give you some more money for gas?

Not necessary.

I’ve got a box full of Obamaphones to sell

bob

November 14th, 2012
8:30 pm

Jay, why do we need an investigation ? We know a demonstration was occurring prior to the attack and we know a video was released that hurt people’s feelings. Put 2 and 2 together, this was spontaneous. We saw a video showing the ambassador and a Libyan rep standing outside of the embassy prior to the attack. I think I heard a chant, “hey hey, ho ho, the ambassador has to go” !
This is an attempt by the right to get us to forget about all the ills of Bush, Obama just told us how the fiscal cliff was all Bush’s fault and the right is using Benghazi as a smokescreen.

Mick

November 14th, 2012
8:33 pm

frog

Yes, good point, if there is any freebie to be had, their hands are out in miami…

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:33 pm

bob
can you spell your name backwards?

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm

YEAH

3.19 a gallon!

Happy days are here again!

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm

KB – in retrospect, I think I just said something about all senators never met a camera they didn’t want to be in front of. I don’t think I tried to rank them. However, it isn’t worth arguing over, in my opinion.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm

Krystal’sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm

@Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm

I know I shouldn’t waste my time even chopping this thing up for you. I do expect people to have a minimal level of intelligence out here. But then again this is AJC blogging.
+++
Spoken like a true extremist. Insult people’s morals and their intelligence.

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
8:37 pm

Krystal, looks like you should be handling your “balls” before you explode. Sheeesh!

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
8:38 pm

Mick, are you native (Miami)?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 14th, 2012
8:39 pm

“Obama warns McCain: Go after U.N. Ambassador Rice? ‘You have a problem with me’ …”

Funny how Obama talks tougher to U.S. Senators who are responsible under the Constitution for “advice and consent” than he does terrorists.

Spoken by someone with a “dictator” mentality.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
8:40 pm

Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm

Krystal’sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm

@Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm

I know I shouldn’t waste my time even chopping this thing up for you. I do expect people to have a minimal level of intelligence out here. But then again this is AJC blogging.
++++
There is nothing original in what I said. It is simply a psychological principle called confirmation bias. People except the flimsy of evidence which supports their beliefs and dismiss the strongest of those that go against their beliefs.

i am sorry if it is over your head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Nunna Yobinnes

November 14th, 2012
8:42 pm

Just an observation – people don’t take it well when others attack their character, morals or intelligence. It almost always puts them on the defensive.

Today’s words to live by.

They BOTH suck

November 14th, 2012
8:47 pm

Scout

Lest you forget

“If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier… as long as I’m the dictator. Hehehe.”

― George W. Bush

Doggone/GA

November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm

“Just an observation – people don’t take it well when others attack their character, morals or intelligence. It almost always puts them on the defensive”

Only if they are insecure in any of those. Those who are secure just consider the source and shrug it off.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm

Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:42 pm

Just an observation – people don’t take it well when others attack their character, morals or intelligence. It almost always puts them on the defensive.

Today’s words to live by.
++++
If you are truly trying persuade people it never works. It only makes you feel better. My belief is there are smart moral and well intention people on both sides. We are all prone to seek confirmation from those

We rarely confide in those who are better than we. Most often, on the other hand, we confess to those who are like us and who share our weaknesses. Hence we don’t want to improve ourselves and be bettered, for we should first have to be judged in default. We merely wish to be pitied and encouraged in the course we have chosen.
Albert Camus

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm

“Obama warns McCain: Go after U.N. Ambassador Rice? ‘You have a problem with me’ …”

If she ain’t tough enough to take up for herself she sure ain’t tough enough to be Secretary of State !

getalife

November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm

The lack of banning for the cons is disappointing.

Mick

November 14th, 2012
8:50 pm

moonbat

No, I’m from jersey but been down here close to five decades…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 14th, 2012
8:52 pm

BOOKMAN: “My problem is with those who jump to far-fetched conclusions …”

Speaking of jumping to conclusions ……. JUMP, JUMP !

BOOKMAN: “The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.” http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/17/on-benghazi-the-debate-and-acts-of-terror/

barking frog

November 14th, 2012
8:52 pm

Nunna Yobinnes
just an observation but most attackers want the attacked to take it badly.

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
8:53 pm

getalife

November 14th, 2012
8:54 pm

We want to get the the people responsible not our President scout.

I am sure Americans in Libya will get the job done.

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
8:54 pm

How many “cons” did you rAt on get?

Dharma Bum

November 14th, 2012
8:54 pm

Jay, of course there will be partisans that will try to bend this to their own ends, but I think most rational and relatively objective observers can see through faux outrage and realize that there are far more people out there that simply want a more thorough investigation (the loudest voices on the conservative side don’t necessarily speak for all cons). I doubt anyone really believes that Sean Hannity “cares” about finding out the truth… Obama could offer a cure for cancer tomorrow and that guy would have a problem with it!

getalife

November 14th, 2012
8:54 pm

moonbat,

I don’t snitch.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
8:56 pm

Time for those senators to resign in disgrace after the reports show they should resign.

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
8:56 pm

getalife – “The lack of banning for the cons is disappointing.” Not sure what you mean, ban the “cons” from the blog?

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
8:56 pm

Cool, Mick.

You know how nice it used to be.

CarolO

November 14th, 2012
8:57 pm

Sounds to me as John McCain has forgotten all about his own investigation into Iran-Contra Affairs where he said on the Advisory Board. Wonder how he would have liked people opening their big mouths about him before they had the facts.

CarolO

November 14th, 2012
8:58 pm

SAT on the Board. oops

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
9:00 pm

That’s good, get.

You know what they say about snitches.

Krystal'sBalls

November 14th, 2012
9:01 pm

@USA Patriot
November 14th, 2012
8:37 pm

That’s why I have your old lady. She keeps them nice and loose.

Please don’t get me started. I’m outta here for the night. Gots to “handle” some things.
Oh Mrs. “Patriotttt”….

booger

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

Per Jay’s intro, Rice is a UN Ambassador, and has nothing to do with Benghazi. If this is the case, why was she sent out as the White House spokesperson. Even if Hillary was not available, the state dept. is full of people who could have filled this role. It does not make any sense at all to send someone out who, as Obama said, had nothing to do with Benghazi.

TaxPayer

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

McCain still has not recovered from his 2008 loss to Obama. He needs to move on and stop taking out his bitterness on others.

Moderate Line

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

Mick
November 14th, 2012
8:20 pm

**Officially. I just cannot see, for the life of me, how so many people could be so wrong.** yaker

A smart man always assesses his options, it just could be that you are wrong about the president and those others are right.
Doesn’t really matter because you need this president to displace your anger and guess what? You have four more years to blame everything in the universe on obama! It’s therapeutic but just remember some truth, the price of gas is dropping like lead, is that obama’s fault too???
+++++
Another excellent point. 40%+ did not vote which is more than voted for Obama or Romney. Both sides have to motivate people emotionally to vote. The greatest motivator is fear so they make people believe that the end of the world will occur if the other person is elected. The voter turnout in 1860 was over 80%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

” ban the “cons” from the blog?”

Yes.

nobodyyouknow

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

So you bloggers will know, Jay Bookman has access to alot of information. All he does day by day is sit and pull info. out of his commputer.He’s very knowledgeable. To debate him you better have all the facts. One queston I asked him and never got an answer to was “can you Jay tell me one (1) government program that is not broke?” I never got an answer to that one.

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
9:04 pm

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:04 pm

What good are you con?

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
9:07 pm

get – Wow, that makes for an interesting discussion, who’re going to berate? You just wouldn’t feel the same!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 14th, 2012
9:10 pm

Just in case someone didn’t post this earlier:

“Mr. President, don’t think for one minute I don’t hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi. I think you failed as Commander in Chief before, during, and after the attack,” said Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican.”

Read more: Graham to Obama: I hold you responsible for Benghazi – Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/14/graham-obama-i-hold-you-responsible/#ixzz2CFlHzuFx

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:15 pm

Wait for the report cons.

I told you from the start.

godless heathen

November 14th, 2012
9:15 pm

The lack of banning for the cons is disappointing.

get’s perfect blog:

Our President is Great, Cons are stupid
Corporations Suck
Start you own blog
Sons of Confederate Veterans
Cons are stupid trailer dwelling idiots
Cons are super rich idiots
Obama swam over to Pakistan and ripped Osama’s heart out with his teeth.

blah, blah, blah

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:18 pm

godless,

con’s perfect blog :

Get Obama.

rc

November 14th, 2012
9:20 pm

So what! He’s correct. PrezBO lies again and the lame stream media covers. No facts just cover

rc

November 14th, 2012
9:20 pm

So what! He’s correct. PrezBO lies again and the lame stream media covers. No facts just cover

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:21 pm

‘Outrageous’

Unhinged.II.

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
9:21 pm

get – nobody needs to “Get” Obama, he’ll get himself.

guy

November 14th, 2012
9:22 pm

nobodyyou know is exactly right.Liberals(socialists) are gloating now but all of this is only the start.Sarcastic and cutting each other to the bone won’t solve the problem.This country is in real trouble! Even joe biden laughs but it’s not funny to those who pay the bills,When the bill payers hang it up then it’s lights out for all!

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:22 pm

“Come at me” means bring it on.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:26 pm

he’ll get himself.

Yep, he’s “got himself” through two consecutive elections…

While Mr Gaffe-a-Minute is relegated to a footnote in Barry’s biography.

Exactly as I predicted.

The Fraud Party and the insane McCarthyites have MUCH bigger problems ahead of them than the president…

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
9:28 pm

Let’s have a good fight!

First thing about fight club….

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:28 pm

Just saw the most insane sports rumor ever.

“Auburn may try to swipe Pelini from Nebraska.”

Like he would go to that dirtbag organization???

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
9:31 pm

When did Nebraska last win a National Championship and when did Auburn last win a National Championship?

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
9:32 pm

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:33 pm

For you history buffs and music lovers…

On this date in 1883, the Jukebox was invented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7tzi8wkYgI

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
9:35 pm

Jam – great to hear from ya! Yea, “he” got himself through two elections – Hello, Chicago Machine! That’s okay, he’s in charge and will take full responsibility for all that happens………chin cha? Let’s see what happens when the taxes get so high the people that pay them stop, health care skyrockets (and there is no “health” care), economy comes to a screeching halt, and, D’oh, he’s outta office…….met his goal! Made the US a 3rd world country……great!

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
9:36 pm

12, when did Auburn last have a dirtbag reputation?

This year?

You are correct!

When did NU last have that reputation?

Never?

Again, you are correct!

Thanks for playing dirtbag lover!

More jukie box goodness…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DInNZCH3m1s

paulo977

November 14th, 2012
9:39 pm

USA Patriot …” Made the US a 3rd world country……great!”

____________________________________________________

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TI A COUNTRY IN THE 3rd world??????????????????????????

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
9:40 pm

JamVet, 9:28,

You remind me of some arrogant Democratic Senator, perhaps Schummer or Reid, who are reveling in their victory but know absolutely nothing about how to get us out of the mess we are in. Gloat all you want but now, without a doubt, you own it. Everything. No more blame Bush, Romney is gone, no more Republicans to hang the blame on. It all belongs to you. Now we will see how this arrogant buffoon you call a President will “bring America together” and “keep us from falling over that Fiscal Cliff”. Taxing the evil 1% will only last for a few months then where do we go? You might want to hold your Kenyan hero to the same standard that you hold everyone who voted against Bozo. Ah, but that’s too simple, is it not? He has absolutely no excuse now. He owns it.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:43 pm

President Obama is undefeated.

Just hush and get out of his way gop.

Work on your party instead of getting the President.

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
9:44 pm

How could NU ever get caught, man?

They are like 125,000 miles from nowhere.

Steroid city, and only had to play one or two “real” games in a season.

Nebraska Football.

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
9:45 pm

Yeah, getalife, Obama knows Nebraska Football?

right?

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
9:45 pm

Jamvet,
Nope. All I am saying is in the realm of NCAA Football is that Auburn is in all probability not a “dirtbag organization”.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 14th, 2012
9:46 pm

oh man they’re down to mumbling

maybe the fuehrer’s wonder weapons will save you, cons

maybe you can try the ‘uppity’ thing again, like Kyle’s trying to do

but by all means stay the course mon… hate on. heheh

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
9:47 pm

JV is stuck on the “good old days”.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:47 pm

moonbat,

He wanted a playoff system and got one.

He is a terrible bowler and baseball pitcher.

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
9:48 pm

Paulette, grow up, been there done that, don’t need it!

TDone

November 14th, 2012
9:49 pm

I think after what John McCain went through in life, he is entitled to go off the deep end a bit.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:50 pm

TDone ,

Yeah and he ran to get control of our nukes.

Dodged that bullet.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
9:54 pm

Nebraska won its last national championship in 1997. Auburn won its last championship in 2010. Auburn is in the arguably best division in college football, the SEC West. Nebraska has only played a really ranked team this year in Ohio State where they lost by more than a few points. Both teams have a rich history in college football but a “dirtbag organization” Auburn is not. Man, how can you be so arrogant?

studley1

November 14th, 2012
9:56 pm

Sen. John McCain knows quite a bit about picking a Qualified person. His pick of Sarah Palin as his running mate, says it all.

McAngry since 2008, sealing the GOP’s fate.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:56 pm

“best division in college football, the SEC West”

LSU!

oops

November 14th, 2012
9:57 pm

rich people are voting

stock market is tanking

getalife

November 14th, 2012
9:57 pm

“McAngry since 2008, sealing the GOP’s fate.”

He should resign.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
9:58 pm

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
9:58 pm

Getalife,

CBS Sports is projecting LSU in the Fiesta Bowl.

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
9:59 pm

Nebraska should go to the USA conference.

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
10:00 pm

“He should resign”

Agree and take Pelosi with him.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
10:00 pm

Stay the course on helping the wealthy cons.

Don’t change a thing..

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

Kamchak,

Do you spend all your time writing down every thin Rush says?

moonbat betty

November 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

Kamchak,

Do you spend all your time writing down every thin Rush says?

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

Just got a notice from my internist today. The letter said that after January 1, 2013, the office will no longer accept Medicare patients. They will continue to see those enrolled in the practice but no more new ones. I can see this happening nationwide next year. OK, all you liberals. You and Bozo own this and all the shi* results that go with it. It is squarely on you and President Kardashian’s shoulders.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
10:04 pm

Orange,

I believe if we had a playoff system this year, LSU would win it.

Jay

November 14th, 2012
10:04 pm

I can think of a solution to your problem, kayaker.

Instead of depending on the taxpayer to pay your medical expenses, maybe you should buy private coverage on the free market.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
10:04 pm

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
10:05 pm

“You can keep your doctor”. “You can keep your insurance plan”. “Insurance premiums will go down as a result of my healthcare bill”. “This plan will only cost the taxpayer 940B dollars”. Lies, all lies….. told by the biggest liar of them all.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
10:06 pm

OK, dirtbag was bit rough, 71!

Let’s just shorten it to dirty, shall we? LOL!

…play one or two “real” games in a season.

Sixth toughest schedule this season…

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf

Just the facts, boys.

We kick ass and we do it the right way. The Nebraska way! The greatest fans in college football, baby!

Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory. ~ 1932 carving in Memorial Stadium, Lincoln, Nebraska

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
10:07 pm

Lies, all lies….. told by the biggest liar of them all.

The invasion of Iraq will pay for itself.
We will be greeted as liberators.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
10:08 pm

Getalife,

I don’t know. Everything is pretty much topsy turvy this year plus I think the playoff is only going to include the top four.

USA Patriot

November 14th, 2012
10:08 pm

get – yep, the middle class has done so much to create jobs & wealth. I’d rather put my money with someone that knows how to grow it (investing in companies, investments in ideas, and looking for a return on my investment). No disrespect to the middle class (whatever the hell that is these days), but my experience is “it takes money to make money”. If there wasn’t wealth (Cons & Libs) in this country, who the hell ya gonna tax?

Night all!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
10:10 pm

No disrespect to the middle class (whatever the hell that is these days), but…

Notice the caveat “but”?

There’s your sign

getalife

November 14th, 2012
10:10 pm

Stay the course USA.

Great job.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
10:12 pm

Bookman, 10:04,

That’s why I carry two supplemental plans over and above Medicare to pay for what Medicare will not. Medicare is not always the prime provider for hospital procedure and many outpatient visits, especially when additional care is required at the visit. If I sought out a different provider for outpatient care after the first of the year, even though I carry additional insurance, there is a good chance that I will be turned down. And for all of those other people who cannot afford supplemental plans, who “depend on the taxpayer” to pay for their medical expenses, more and more of them will be out of luck. At least until Bozo’s single payer kicks in. And that was the original plan anyway, was it not?

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
10:13 pm

Medical expenses going up? Hey Getalife, don’t they still have Witch Doctors down on the Bayou?

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
10:14 pm

Five National Championships. And we came with an eyelash of three more.

Three dynasties in there different decades.

Including a 60 win, 3 loss run in ne five year stretch. Nobody can touch that.

More Academic All Americans – BY FAR – than second place Notre Dame. Who is miles ahead of everyone else!

And on and on and on and on.

Auburn?

Puhleeze. Two titles in a thousand years (well, 50) and one was so crooked, they had to take it away form them! Dirty, dirty, dirty.

They cannot touch anything compared to NU.

And besides Alabama, nobody else in the SEC can either.

And 12, the good old days are coming back to Lincoln.

For Auburn, they never will…

Mick

November 14th, 2012
10:14 pm

0311

Lindsay graham is a wuss…benghazi…small potatoes compared to the death and destruction in iraq, but…you guys need it so badly to be more, have at it…

Yaker, grow a pair and quit the incessant whining…geez middle schoolers are more grounded…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
10:14 pm

drudgey’s current dedication to Petraeus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQI2-4vkCQ

Old Goober

November 14th, 2012
10:17 pm

Just got a notice from my internist today. The letter said that after January 1, 2013, the office will no longer accept Medicare patients. They will continue to see those enrolled in the practice but no more new ones. I can see this happening nationwide next year.

Nothing new there. The number of competent physicians accepting Medicare is dwindling, thanks to low reimbursement and slow claims processing. In fact, sooner or later most physicians are likely to go to a concierge system. I pay $375 every three months to MedVIP to belong to my physician’s system. He gets most of that plus the reimbursement from my primary insurer. But at least I can get an appointment when I want one, and there’s never a wait. Physicians are getting fed up with both Medicare and the constant wheedling of insurance companies. Why see 4,000 patients a year to make a living, when you can see a thousand and make even more money?

getalife

November 14th, 2012
10:20 pm

Orange,

No witch doctors but you have to go to a pain clinic to get the opiates.

We could end that regulation and let general doctors prescribe them.

All my doctors take Medicare.

kayaker 71

November 14th, 2012
10:20 pm

JamVet,

If your Nebraska boys are so good, why haven’t they had a national championship in the last 15 yrs? That’s an eternity in college football competition. A lot of those years, they weren’t even ranked in the top 25. Tom Osbourne was certainly one of the best coaches that college football has ever seen but he quit in 1997. You are only as good as your last game.

Orange12

November 14th, 2012
10:21 pm

Jamvet,

Just click your heels togather three times and say “there’s no place like Oklahoma, there’s no place like Oklahoma and etc.

David Granger

November 14th, 2012
10:26 pm

Well, it’s official now, Jay: Secession petitions have been filed on the White House website for ALL 50 states. The United State of America will consist solely of the District of Columbia. (And the whole country seems to be stuck in “STUPID” gear.)

getalife

November 14th, 2012
10:28 pm

Mick

November 14th, 2012
10:29 pm

granger

Just illustrates the immaturity of many a con knucklehead…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 14th, 2012
10:38 pm

Secession petitions have been filed on the White House website for ALL 50 states.

Some cons don’t know whether to go Galt or wind their watch.

JamVet

November 14th, 2012
10:45 pm

I’ll tell you the same thing I tell these UGA dorks who think that they too are someone. LOL!

Talk to the hand.

Go get five and come back and talk to me.

Until then go sit with the little teams, like Auburn, where you belong!

Toodles, guys, It’s been fun, but I’ve got an early start to a long day tomorrow. (Thank gawd, the Bush Depression is behind us!)

Peace, out…

RonnieReagan

November 14th, 2012
10:55 pm

I agree with McCain…all you people are on here making fun of him. Why don’t you listen to the facts before you start attacking the man. He is trying to protect the American people. He is trying to find out what happened to those four brave men who were slaughtered in Benghazi. The Obama Administration left those men to die, and you people ignore it, like it’s nothing. Rice either aided in promoting a lie, say anything Obama tells her to, or she is as bright as a blown light bulb.

getalife

November 14th, 2012
10:57 pm

ron,

All the facts are unknown.

Do you feel silly?

Peter

November 14th, 2012
11:11 pm

The Republican’s are little kids, sore losers, behaving badly, and care very little about a cohesive America period……They have not a clue about the typical American who cares for others in our country.

Kyle on the other blog wants to still separate, Romney wants to say another that will separate American’s with hate, and McCain, is a child ranting just past his prime.

Republican’s have an agenda that means they judge all, and if you don’t fit, then you are talked about and down at. They don’t care about pollution, only greed. They will say they love America, but talk badly about American’s.

They are hoping for a failure out of Obama, and will work against the American people, no matter who it hurts, just to get their way.

They don’t love America, only their personal beliefs that have become as antiquated as the dinosaur.

They talk about faith……… but by God if America is to survive the Republican’s. we all need to pray for them.

Peter

November 14th, 2012
11:15 pm

RonnieReagan.. you mean kind of like in Iraq, where we invaded, then spilled the blood of American’s for the benefit of a few Rich ?

Hello….. Republican’s were in office during 911…. did more than 4 people die in New York City ?

Tell us about that lie, and about Mission Accomplished Please !

woodstockmimi

November 14th, 2012
11:35 pm

jreb–“trying to turn Obama’s reelection into something it was not. He won just over 50% of the popular vote and 26 states plus DC. Long from a mandate or landslide.”

Prior to the election, all of the republican pollsters who predicted a romney win, said that romney would win over 330 electoral votes in “a landslide”.

President Obama won over 330 electoral votes.

Is it only a “landslide” when a republican wins over 330 electoral votes?

james

November 14th, 2012
11:59 pm

I saw mc cain on tv tonight and for some reason felt the urge to throw up. I actually sent him a letter through his website…thank you all for your comments…they seem to mirror my thoughts as well..
I feel better knowing that the majority of you see him the same as I do…

killerj

November 15th, 2012
12:29 am

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha,Oh crap I,m choking on a chip…………..Ok I,m back,time for another four years folks! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

States Burr

November 15th, 2012
1:13 am

WHY?

just questions: Who asked her to be the spokesman?
Why did they ask her to say it was the movie?
Why did the CIA not respond to the attack nor to requests for additional security?

I dont care if she is Sec of State or not…but don’t we as AMERICANs deserve some answers for our 4 fellow AMERICANs who died?

States Burr

November 15th, 2012
1:20 am

I wonder what the last thoughts of our fellow AMERICANs were in Benghazi were?

I am sure they fought ferociously with the thought they would be rescued soon…

Doesn’t it really pi$$ you off at the rhetoric regarding who said what…when the real tradgedy is our lack of response for Security and the failure to aid in their rescue…..

Just so weak…

Fred ™

November 15th, 2012
1:34 am

Gee States Burr, I’ll bet Stevenson’s last thought was……… why the hell didn’t I listen to my security experts and stay in Tripoli.

I wonder how many Republicans Congressmen that voted to cut Embassy security funds are thinking. Oh wait, THOSE asshats don’t think as apparently you don’t either.

Tell me Mr. Military Expert, what would YOU have done differently? What do your chickenhawk puppet masters like Rush, Sean, and Neal, men who have not spent a SECOND in the military say?

Jm

November 15th, 2012
1:35 am

John McCain, war hero

Vs

Jay bookman

Hmmmm

McCain

States Burr

November 15th, 2012
1:54 am

Fred: You wouldn’t know a Military Expert if he put a spit shined jump boot up your butt….

However, you are too an American and I respect your opinion…

States Burr

November 15th, 2012
1:56 am

Jm
November 15th, 2012
1:35 am
John McCain, war hero

Vs

Jay bookman

Hmmmm

McCain

JM: Excellent….Seems Bookman needs a pacifier..

Hussein

November 15th, 2012
3:18 am

Just continue to spew the lies for your echo chamber sycophants, Jay…

Sure, double down on conservative crap

November 15th, 2012
4:46 am

Obama WON this election with a greater mandate than Bush II did in 2004. Bush II said he planned on using his “Political Capital” to advance his agenda, which was to privatize SSI. That did not work out so well did it?

You Bubble People cannot seem to grasp the FACTS. Obama won handily, and not just because Bill O’Reilly said the word “takers”. You lost because your message is wrong and was rejected by women, Latinos, African Americans and a whole lot of young people. The attempt to suppress the minority vote with voter ID laws and decreased polling hours in certain districts backfired big time. It made voters stand in lines for marathons of 7-8 hours to be heard. Florida and Ohio’s GOP run elections were not able to keep people from voting. The Bubble you love to live in was popped, and now it is time to realize the truth, your ideas are irrelevant as are most of your “Candidates” like Bachman, Santorium, and the rest of the religious wack jobs running for office by the GOP.

However, PLEASE keep “doubling down” on antiquated platforms, keep trying to get your binders full of woman home by dinner time, keep trying to stick ultrasound probes up women wanting to have a legal abortion, keep thinking that Reagan’s trickle from 1980 will eventually run down hill…………. because it will guarantee that you will continue to lose elections. And eventually enough old and middle aged angry white guys will die off, THAT is when you may be relevant again.

Kevin W.

November 15th, 2012
5:01 am

Laughing off the loss of four brave lives to save one? Nothing is beneath the left. They’re not grounded.

dagnabit

November 15th, 2012
5:47 am

Maybe McCain needs her diaper changed.

marko

November 15th, 2012
5:48 am

We have nearly 300 embassies scattered around the planet in places most Americans can not locate on a globe. None of them are protected well enough to withstand an attack by 150 well armed attackers. We trust the host country to do the heavy lifting when it comes to security.

Should we have anticipated that the situation in Libya was unstable? In retrospect, Duh. Clearly we should expect the Benghazi tragedy to be thoroughly investigated so that we can prevent future incidents of a similar nature from occurring. That said, this is clearly being used as a political football by one party in the effort to embarrass the other one. Our kids may not be able to locate Benghazi on a map, but they’re smart enough to recognize bullsh*t when they see it.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
5:56 am

mornin.

I agree with McCain…all you people are on here making fun of him. Why don’t you listen to the facts before you start attacking the man

Which “facts”? You mean the “fact” that this Administration somehow concocted out of whole cloth a story about spontaneous demonstrations being the cover for this attack? That “fact” that the right wing has been spreading for months, now?

Absolutely none of the right wing regulars here have been able to answer a direct question I’ve posed to them repeatedly here–WHY would the Administration deliberately lie about that particular event? What benefit would they yield?

Other than some incomprehensible crap about how it somehow made people confused about which city the Ambassador happened to be in (???), I’ve heard absolutely nothing in response.

That’s why we attack McCain and his ilk. They’ve hopped on a lunatic conspiracy bandwagon. And I’m glad that our President has repeatedly come out swinging and indicated he’s not going to put up with any more of your bullsh-t.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
6:01 am

…and by the way, I do so love the incredibly belated concern some on the right have expressed about the Ambassador’s peril on 9/11, asking why he was in Benghazi instead of a fortified, hardened embassy in Tripoli. This was something that anyone with even a smidgeon of intelligence had already asked, already discussed, almost immediately after the attack. It goes to the man’s motivations, mostly, but also of course procedures, and nobody is suggesting that such things shouldn’t be investigated and reviewed.

sparta_bubba

November 15th, 2012
6:02 am

So does someone know something about Sen. Lindsey Graham that all of us should know?

Redcoat

November 15th, 2012
6:19 am

Benghazi and dead Americans……why such distractions in getting the facts? I thought Bush was the only one that was covering up?

Joel Edge

November 15th, 2012
6:23 am

” and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex.”
Ah…more evolving.

Redcoat

November 15th, 2012
6:26 am

They all lie…….both parties

MiltonMan

November 15th, 2012
6:30 am

Of course the lib Jay picks and chooses what Susan Rice actually said. Here is her quote 5 days later: (You know blaming it on that video created by an American citizen)

“But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy – sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent”

States Burr

November 15th, 2012
6:32 am

President Obama has come out swinging…. ? Are you kidding me?

His fallback position is “We must wait until the investigation is complete”

Talking about wallowing….

Liberal Pariah

November 15th, 2012
6:34 am

sfd..the administration’s narrative is that they killed BinLaden and Al-Queda is all but a memory and we can lead from behind and get the job done. The Anti=Bush if you will. The events in Bengahzi destroyed that narrative and they couldn’t have the one good accomplishment of his presidency blown up right before the election so they ‘ran the clock out’. Question answered…Have A Great Day :-)

Jefferson

November 15th, 2012
6:50 am

Powell was made to say there were wmds, and you know the rest of the story…

AU Liberal in ATL

November 15th, 2012
6:50 am

Taking a page from the Fox “news” constituency on this blog in an effort to demonstrate their silliness: Reagan lied, people died. Bush lied, people died. McCain lied, people died. Condi lied, people died. Romney lied, people. Do you see a pattern here? Now, I should probably admit that in the case of Reagan, Bush and Condi it’s actually a true statement. Not so with Obama and Rice.

Jefferson

November 15th, 2012
6:51 am

Burr is full

AU Liberal in ATL

November 15th, 2012
6:53 am

I know you can post, but can you read, Milton? “based on the information we have to date”. Do you know what that means? Duh!

Dirty Harry Reid

November 15th, 2012
6:57 am

How are you going to spin it Jay when Obama is impeached for lying to the American people? Mark it down!

Jm

November 15th, 2012
7:09 am

Susan rice

Wrong

Rabbit

November 15th, 2012
7:10 am

Dirty
“impeached?” Really? For lying. Three letters, WMD.
Seriously, are we getting to the point that the great experiment is over? Children have been taught that one of the best features of our form of government is the orderly transfer of power. Is that really over? Is is sad that every President in the last 20 years has hadto endure cries of impeachment, every news story with legs becomes a scandal.

Jay

November 15th, 2012
7:11 am

MiltonMan, how does differ in any meaningful way from what Rice is quoted as saying above?

The answer is, it doesn’t. Any reasonable person can see that it doesn’t, and can see that you’re trying to make something out of nothing.

Which describes this entire Benghazi obsession. That’s the entire political cycle these days — Republicans latch onto meaningless obsession, meaningless obsession is revealed as meaningless, Republicans latch onto the next meaningless obsession.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:12 am

So does someone know something about Sen. Lindsey Graham that all of us should know?

Close that closet door, willya?

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:14 am

The events in Bengahzi destroyed that narrative

Assuming this is true (and I don’t for a moment, but I’ll play along)…and making up a story about spontaneously crazed Muslims going violently batcrap over a movie HELPS HIM HOW?

You can’t answer that; nobody here can. Which is why I have never paid any heed to the Butthurt-Over-Benghazi-Brigade.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:17 am

How are you going to spin it Jay when Obama is impeached for lying to the American people? Mark it down!

Dunno about Jay, but I will continue to point out that the last time your geniuses tried to dumb down the definition of “high crimes and misdemeanors” to fit your own silly narrative, the President’s approval ratings shot to a Gallup high of 73% as a result.

So by all means, get that impeachment thingie cranked up.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:18 am

…and henceforth, “Impeachment” will be defined as “what OCD Republicans do to Democratic Presidents in their second term.”

Rabbit

November 15th, 2012
7:22 am

“…latch onto the next meaningless obsession”
In the post election boiler, the stone soup is being seasoned with multiple “meaningless obsessions”.

Rabbit

November 15th, 2012
7:24 am

No meat, though.

GB

November 15th, 2012
7:26 am

TiredOfIt

November 15th, 2012
7:31 am

Why are republican’s so good at being critical and judging others, while they are so blind to their issues?

Jm

November 15th, 2012
7:43 am

I watched this interview live, the whole thing

Rice ardently defended this being a protest in the back and forth of the discussion

Even Gregory has criticized Rice

Jm

November 15th, 2012
7:45 am

“The answer is, it doesn’t. Any reasonable person can see that it doesn’t, and can see that you’re trying to make something out of nothing.”

Wrong

This truncated portion of the discussion doesn’t tell the full story

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:46 am

GB, thank you for that very informative blog link @ 7.26. I for one am always interested in “Commentary and analysis on American politics, culture, and national identity, U.S. foreign policy and international relations, and the state of education – from a neoconservative perspective!” Heck, hardly anyone will own up to BEING a neoconservative, these days.

That said, how is the fact that Susan Rice appeared on several different outlets reporting on what she knew at the time especially relevant to this discussion?

I’ve asked repeatedly what benefit this Administration would have to deliberately lie about the circumstances surrounding the Benghazi attack, when the “lie” was one that fed many right-wingers worst fears about Muslims’ supposed propensity toward spontaneous violence.

Do you have anything to shed some light on this?

MadMax

November 15th, 2012
7:48 am

To besmirch her reputation is outrageous – that coming from Obama is funny

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:48 am

MadMax

November 15th, 2012
7:49 am

Why are democrats so good at being critical and judging others, while they are so blind to their issues?

GT

November 15th, 2012
7:51 am

The right lives in a bubble. They are starting to eat their own. The gun ho jumps over lines of authority to investigate Army generals and leave their mess for the world to see. A pretty girl needs a hero, an FBI agent in another area is more than happy to be her knight, and I wonder if he had the authority to bleed this to a sitting member of congress. The wrong doing that started this investigation never had legs and the actual offense was not a crime.

Now we go to the next GOP conspiracy of a cover up in the Rice case which denies the country of one more talented individual because of a paranoid right. Seems after the right kept reading the tea leave incorrectly in the last election, hard proof showed the poll conspiracy was an opium dream that they would cool the enthusiasm for chasing their tails. We went to war with this fiction machine and we had our credit rating lowered and have left this country in a longer recession because the individual unfounded conspiracy has trumped the practicality.

Willis

November 15th, 2012
7:51 am

Of course McCain is still mad that he wasn’t elected and that he didn’t get to “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”

Escaped from Email Purgatory

November 15th, 2012
7:51 am

Bookman, you smirky little twerp. You don’t pack the gear to criticize John McCain. The guy’s an American hero for reasons discernible even to a man of your limited perspicacity.

You sit around in rumpled clothes all day belching out liberal screeds. Thanks for your service.

Painting Ambassador Rice as a victim is total BS. And Obama’s transparent attempt to act like the gallant saviour of his embattled ambassador is pure theatrics. Yet you fall for it. Whatta maroon you are.

If Rice knew nothing about what really happened with Benghazi, why in the world was she making the rounds on every Sunday show spreading her ignorance? And at whose direction was she speaking?

And Obama, in true Obama fashion, trots out the “under investigation” line to his complicit lapdog press. A press corps it seems, who has completely shunned the journalistic technique known as the followup question.

Grow up. And while you’re at it, grow a pair. Then maybe you can criticize men like John McCain.

Brosephus™

November 15th, 2012
7:52 am

I wonder what the last thoughts of our fellow AMERICANs were in Benghazi were?

I am sure they fought ferociously with the thought they would be rescued soon…

Ummmmmm……. I think two of those who died were part of the rescue team. But, keep on with the conspiracy crap. That’s why I don’t think any details should be released until an investigation is complete.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:53 am

Of course McCain is still mad that he wasn’t elected and that he didn’t get to “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”

…and stay in Iraq for “maybe a hundred years.”

Goldie

November 15th, 2012
7:54 am

So sad to see McCain become such a small little-minded man with his sour grapes — and it’s so good to see Our President again looking like the smartest man in the conference room!

:)

TaxPayer

November 15th, 2012
7:55 am

President Obama won. Republicans, zero. Nice score, eh cons.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
7:57 am

President Obama won.

Speakin’ a witch…anyone make it back over to Kyle’s? He’s got an especially tasteful headline for his latest blog.

MadMax

November 15th, 2012
7:58 am

Stands – how about maybe to take the light off of Obama for abandoning his post to go to some fund raiser when he should have been in the special ops room as commander in chief. If we dismiss the attack as an outreach of some silly protest, it minimizes the seriousness of the attack and the presidents actions, or lack of response, seems justified. If you acknowledge it was an attack on America and our president either went back to bed, or continued on with his fund raising plans, depending on which timeline/version of the truth you accept, his response as commander in chief wasreprehensible. So Rice being a talking head to protect the president from criticism is a good reason to declare her unfit. As Hillary said, “who do you want taking that call at 3 in the morning?”

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

November 15th, 2012
7:59 am

Good morning all y’all…
I’m in a little late this morning…have a phone interview with Social Security this morning so I took the day off….tomorrow too… :)

I was going through my normal morning cheezburger sites and saw this one…remind you of anybody? :D

http://cheezburger.com/6761679360

sirwinston

November 15th, 2012
8:00 am

John McCain is an embrassment to all of us as veterans. He want’s to be the President so bad that he make things toward President Obama in a negative way. McCain forgets that he supported Condanisa (wrong spelling) Rice when she made several false statements about weapons of massive destructions over and over again; he supported her as secretary of state, thinking that we would forget. He has a problem with those appointed over him…and when he lost as President, he still feel sick and can’t get over it. President Obama issues him and other a challenge let’s see if McCain will take it. Susan Rice did the right thing, she got what she was given and said what was best. McCain needs to resigned and take all of his personal feelings with him. He will never be President, he don’t have the professionalism and when he elected to put down the President and the Commander-In-Chief as a veteran, we feel his service to this nation as a Congressmen is not needed any longer and he needs to go back to AZ and make things there a little better for the people who elected him. He has a personal problem he needs to deal with and we the American people will wait until all of the facts are known. He is the one who is blowing all of he smoke!

Jm

November 15th, 2012
8:01 am

What rice should’ve said: “look, we’re still investigating this and just don’t know yet”

lees

November 15th, 2012
8:01 am

Where is the outrage for all the thousands of young men and women in the military who lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan along with the thousands of service men and women catastrophically injured? While losing the four dedicated individuals in the Benghazi attack is a horrific event for our country, I haven’t read one thread mentioning the young men and women who died in these two conflicts starting long ago.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
8:01 am

how about maybe to take the light off of Obama for abandoning his post to go to some fund raiser

it would make NO DIFFERENCE one way or another. none.

(not that I buy into your stupid wingnut narrative about Obama’s alleged disinterest in his own State Department staff.)

Heading upstairs to larf-at-Mittens SHEETZ.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

November 15th, 2012
8:01 am

Bro’…

If they didn’t have conspiracy theories, they’d have nothing to live for…

Brosephus™

November 15th, 2012
8:02 am

Corbin

There is that…..

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2012
8:02 am

What rice should’ve said: “look, we’re still investigating this and just don’t know yet”

if you’re thinking of joining the State Department?

Don’t quit your skimmer-class day job, kid.

Jm

November 15th, 2012
8:05 am

Sirwinston

You’re an embarrassment to your country

Just saying

MadMax

November 15th, 2012
8:06 am

Stands – same could be said for the night bin laden died or for Sandy but he made sure everyone knew he was on top of those. Now when America is attacked, it makes no difference……’nuff said.

Uncle Billy

November 15th, 2012
8:12 am

I wish I could my hand on McCain and Graham and do to them what I did to Georgia and South Carolina.

GT

November 15th, 2012
8:32 am

Escaped from Email Purgatory is the typical jock sniffer that sets these costumed soldiers and cowboys on the throne or the stage for this kind of fall from a grace that never existed in the first place. McCain lost the election to Obama mainly because there was a huge amount of daylight between reality and his world of filtered insanity. His introduction to polite society of his VP running mate is part and parcel of his disconcerting judgment.

Right wing America vest a lot of capital into heroes, self made John Wynne, Rambo characters that only exist in fiction. They worship idols and then suffer confused logic when the “man made” fails them. They found great indignation in Obama’s comment that the mass of our nation assisted these self made men to their accomplishments, no man is an island, yet they prove O right over and over as their idols crumble yet the country stays strong.

When O showed tears at the thanking of his volunteers in the election after the lights were off, and there was no alternative motives is how I picture a great leader. He doesn’t lie or bully or show paranoia or envy, he leads as a human being not an over the top adult playing a part he saw in a movie.

Hussein

November 15th, 2012
8:56 am

Need to modify my comments from earlier…

Jay’s little Jonestown flock are deluded, vile, echo chamber sycophants who thrive on mendacity.

Redcoat

November 15th, 2012
10:14 am

What a mess and it’s all going as it should….It’s becoming so evident that neither side can be trusted……The real truth will never be reported on anything ever. How can anyone ever have confidence in anything reported? The news media can no longer be trusted because it’s either right or left twisted news. The same events reported in such ways that it seems like two different events, we all lose.

Paddy Paddy

November 15th, 2012
11:01 am

It’s pretty clear why John McCain & Lindsey Graham will do anything in their power to smear and lie about our US Ambassador to the to U.N. and to block her nomination to serve as Secretary of State.

Oh yes, clear now why McCain goes easy on John Kerry and was in full-out campaign mission & fund-raising mode for Us Sen Scott Brown even going so far as to give Brown military credentials when he presided over a pinning ceremony at the Capital promoting Brown to colonel in the Army National Guard.

Why will McCain probably promote John Kerry & continue to smear Ms. Rice who has NOTHING to do with Benghazi? The GOP wants Scott Brown to fill Kerry’s seat. It’s clear.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

November 15th, 2012
11:12 am

OK @GT, let me get this straight. You’re accusing the Right of hero worship?

Check your own rambling missive there Mary. Talk about hero worship.

But wait. Were your ‘O’ references to Obama or Oprah.

Can you tell the differences between them?

AnnapolisMD

November 15th, 2012
12:29 pm

John McCain and his BFF Lindsey Graham have turned into the biggest drama queens in the Senate. They should have their own reality show on Fox.

Maggie Kasparek

November 15th, 2012
7:55 pm

John McCain is demanding answers on the Benghazi attack, but yet you missed a classified briefing on the subject because of a “scheduling error.” While he was holding a press conference, the briefing for the Homeland Security Committee was happening in another part of the Capitol building. McCain needs to do his job. It is appalling that he would use his time and our money to pay him to influence and to play politics instead of getting answers to the questions he claims to want. McCain needs to get to work and get the economy fixed. I would prefer to have Meghan McCain representing us in Congress. She is more in touch with the people and has better judgment in regards to the economy.

Richard Guske

November 15th, 2012
11:02 pm

I don’t care what your political philosophy is four brave men died needlessly! I can’t believe that so many people think the administration was being straight with the people of the USA. Woods didn’t “light up” that target so he can get killed? He and his partner followed military procedure trying to not leave anyone behind. It seems that Pres. Obama and his administration forgot this minor procedure; and left four people behind to die. Pres. Carter might not have been the best president we have ever had, but he tried his damnedest to get the hostages out of Iran.

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November 16th, 2012
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