Another little temper tantrum from John McCain
UPDATE at 3:05: In his press conference this afternoon, President Obama was quite forceful in his defense of Ambassador Rice:
“Let me say specifically about Susan Rice: She has done exemplary work she has represented the U.S. and our interests in the U.N. with skill and professionalism and toughness and grace. If Senator McCain and Senator Graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. And I’m happy to have that discussion with them. But for them to go after the U.N. ambassador? Who had nothing to do with Benghazi? And was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received? To besmirch her reputation is outrageous.”
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This is just stupid.
An increasingly petty and petulant Sen. John McCain has gone off the deep end again, announcing that if U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice is nominated to replace Hillary Clinton as secretary of State, he would attempt to filibuster her nomination.
His reason?
Because Rice, serving as a foreign policy spokesperson for the Obama administration, went on Sunday talk shows shortly after the attacks in Benghazi to say the following, after noting that an investigation was still underway and the details were unclear:
“But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.
We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.
We’ll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that’s the best information we have at present.”
That version of events turned out to be incorrect in one relatively small detail. Subsequent investigation has determined that there had not been “a small number of people” protesting outside the consulate before a force of roughly 150 armed men rushed the facility, killing U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. Three other Americans also died in the attacks.
Some conservatives have attempted to read great importance into that incorrect detail. In fact, McCain and others, including Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, wish to declare Rice unqualified to be secretary of State for having made that statement.
It is truly a ridiculous position to take, for two glaringly obvious reasons:
1.) Compare Rice’s statement to the best then-secret intelligence assessment of the CIA at the time she appeared on the Sunday talk shows:
“The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations. This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.”
Clearly, Rice’s statements on ABC and other stations that weekend accurately reflected the best intelligence available to her and others at the time. Trying to declare her unfit to be secretary of State on that basis is nonsense.
And McCain has every reason to know that it is nonsense, which brings us to …
2.) In 2005, at the start of his second term, President Bush nominated Condoleezza Rice to replace Colin Powell as secretary of State. And Rice, as you may recall, had her own rather extensive history of statements on Sunday talk shows that later turned out to be incorrect, with consequences that were far more profound and costly to this nation than the tragedy at Benghazi. More than 4,000 American men and women were to die in a war founded on those statements.
As Condi Rice told Wolf Blitzer on CNN on Sept. 8, 2002, regarding Saddam Hussein:
“We do know that he is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. We do know that there have been shipments going into Iran, for instance — into Iraq, for instance, of aluminum tubes that really are only suited to — high-quality aluminum tools that are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs. …we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”
By 2005, the whole world knew that statement by Rice, along with others by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others had been false. Saddam had no nuclear program; the aluminum tubes had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. Their explanation for those false statements was that they had merely relied on the best intelligence available from the CIA, and can’t be held accountable if those assessments were wrong. (There is considerable evidence that Rice, Bush, Cheney and others in fact cherry-picked the evidence to suit the case they wanted to build, but we’ll set that aside for the moment.)
Despite these false statements by Rice — again, statements with grave national consequences — Senate Democrats in 2005 did not launch a filibuster in an attempt to halt her confirmation. The vote to approve her was 85-13. Among those voting to confirm her were McCain and Graham.
Also voting to confirm Rice were Sen. Joe Biden. And Sen. Hillary Clinton. And yes, Sen. Barack Obama as well.
The parallels between the two cases are uncanny, right down to the gender, race and surname of the main character. But the differences in how the two cases are being handled is more startling still, and all too revealing of just how unhinged and hypocritical many of today’s Republicans have become.
If President Obama believes that Ambassador Rice is the best person to serve this country as secretary of State, he should not hesitate to nominate her. If McCain and others wish to make the case to the American people why Rice is unqualified, they should likewise not hesitate to do so.
But by doing so, they will be drawing more attention to their inadequacies than to those they imagine in Rice.
– Jay Bookman
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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 14th, 2012
7:06 pm
TM
What were those boats Kerry captained…or didn’t? I forgot…
please
November 14th, 2012
7:11 pm
still mad because he lost; where was McCain when bush lied noboby said nothing let him go found the WMD because we are stilll waiting
Orange12
November 14th, 2012
7:12 pm
McCain is the original “flip – flopper”. Check his changing stance on illegal immigration.
Jackie
November 14th, 2012
7:13 pm
Wonder if Sens. McCain and Graham were in the security briefing offered by the CIA and signed off on by Gen. Petraeus?
Did they not pay attention to what was said?
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
7:13 pm
Most U.S. Sentors you rarely see on T.V or hear about in the news.
JOHN MCCAIN on the other hand has NEVER seen a camera that he didn’t like! THAT’S the difference (and problem) with John McCain. He seeks to politicize and turn EVERYTHING into a scandal or personal “failure” of his political adversaries. It’s despicable. And Lindsay Graham is nothing more than McCain’s lapboy.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:15 pm
Hey Barking Frog – At least McCain wasn’t a draft dodger, like Mr. Clinton.
Will the "REAL" Mitt Romney sit down and shut up?
November 14th, 2012
7:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
Jackie
November 14th, 2012
7:17 pm
Maybe Sen. McCain (R-AZ) should get with the governor of the state he represents and find out why they have failed to count the ballots in the past election. Last I heard, there are more than 300,000 votes still awaiting verification.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:22 pm
Hey Krystal, all politicians have never met a camera they haven’t been ready to be in front of. It’s all about ego.
Recon 0311 2533
November 14th, 2012
7:25 pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/jack-boys-leader-gets-15-life-sentences-plus-290-y/nS6gJ/
Off topic…A slime ball gets what’s deserved.
Dharma Bum
November 14th, 2012
7:28 pm
It is quite sad to see people on this blog mocking and minimizing a terrorist attack that left four Americans dead simply because this time around it occurred on a Democrat’s watch… I don’t think anyone here truly believes that the administration has been completely clear on the issue and what harm could a more thorough investigation possibly have?
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
7:29 pm
@Nunna
That is a generality and does not wash. Like I said…there are 100 U.S. Senators. Give me ONE who has given more face time OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS to the camera than John McCain?
I’ll be waiting…
BK
November 14th, 2012
7:31 pm
This White House, along with the Pentagon and State Department are lying though their teeth regarding the events that occured in Benghazi. What is being overlooked, which I truly believe is by design, is the fact that within minutes of the onset of the attack, a flash coded message was sent to all three of the above listed places in addition to the CIA and other military intellegence POC’s in the high level loop. Shortly after the attack began, a drone was launched and was feeding LIVE video of the events unfolding in real time to the White House Situation Room, DOD, CIA, State and other required departments. They were watching this BS unfold people as it was happening. Ambassador Stevens sent message traffic to Sec. Clinton as far back as mid August stating the need for increased security due to the deteriorating security situation in the area and there were at least 10 insurgent groups imbedded in Benghazi and the embassy could not sustain a head on assault. Stevens repeated requests for more security up through and including 9/11 were denied. The CIA contingent in the area along with other reaction forces were told to stand down. We owe our utmost honor to both ex-SEAL’s, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, who denied those orders and went to the aid of Americans in peril, a gallant effort that ultimately cost them their lives. So, Mr. President and tough guy VP Biden, which of you will have the “Balls” as Biden digustedly conveyed to Tyrone Wood’s father regarding their actions, to man up as they did and have the courage to tell the truth?
Recon 0311 2533
November 14th, 2012
7:31 pm
” I was started to worry would detect a rotting smell until finding him slumped over his keyboard.”
Some on the left have issues with grammar. It’s the 20% of the 47% that the Democrats successfully carried to the polls.
TM
November 14th, 2012
7:34 pm
I don;t know maybe a guy named Kennedy or Lieberman
Jay
November 14th, 2012
7:36 pm
Dharma, I know of no one on the blog who opposes a complete, honest and fair investigation into what happened in Benghazi. I for one think such an investigation is a necessity.
My problem is with those who jump to far-fetched conclusions and then explain the lack of supportive facts as some sort of conspiracy.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:37 pm
Kerry, Hillary, Moynihan, Feinstein, Franken, Leahy, Lieberman, Reid to name a few.
saywhat?
November 14th, 2012
7:38 pm
BK- 90% of what you wrote has already been debunked as simply not true.
Perhaps you need to take your special suit off? See here for an explanation: http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/user/225266/TMW2012-11-14colorLARGE.jpeg
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:38 pm
Oh yeah, I left off Kennedy.
getalife
November 14th, 2012
7:39 pm
Don’t leave your bubble cons.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
7:39 pm
Nunna Yobinnes @ 7:15 That is true but that does not improve his character.
Jack ®
November 14th, 2012
7:41 pm
Just give the lady the job and be done with it. Obama could have recommended Cynthia McKinney for the job and would have received support from the liberals.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:42 pm
Jack – that is a very frightening thought.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
7:43 pm
“We owe our utmost honor to both ex-SEAL’s, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, who denied those orders and went to the aid of Americans in peril,”
HAHAHahaha.
I guess you didn’t get the memo that these two guys were EMPLOYED BY the CIA hunh??? The CIA had an operating location AT the Benghazi compound! Like I said before out here….THERE IS MORE TO THIS WHOLE THING THAN IS BEING TOLD. Be upset, “pissed” or whatever you want to call it, believing the “guvment” owes YOU PEOPLE some sort of explanation. Just like with anything of this nature, YOU DON’T HAVE THE”NEED TO KNOW”, and until stuff is declassified for public consumption and the “guvment” has its story together, you WON’T know. I don’t care what administration is in charge.
Yep, you can just about guarantee there was shady stuff going on. Surprising to me? No, because of my own background in this area. Get over it people. Our government propagandizes us (well….YOU) our country does a lot of dirt in order for you to enjoy your “freedom” and (fake) “patriotism”. Just get over it, and live your lives.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 14th, 2012
7:44 pm
Obama could have recommended Cynthia McKinney for the job and would have received support from the liberals.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
clem
November 14th, 2012
7:44 pm
am not that high on rice, but the attacks by mccain and graham border on cowardice. lindsay’s response to being b!tch slapped by obama is hilarious. didn’t they learn from the powell episode who was advocating for their flawed approach.
USA Patriot
November 14th, 2012
7:44 pm
Jack – THAT is good and true!
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:46 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to present our new Secretary of State, the village idiot, oops I mean Cynthia McKinney.
saywhat?
November 14th, 2012
7:48 pm
Jack ®
November 14th, 2012
7:41 pm
Just give the lady the job and be done with it. Obama could have recommended Cynthia McKinney for the job and would have received support from the liberals.
_______________________________________________________
Don’t be an idiot. At the Liberals Planning to Destroy America meeting last week, Obama clearly stated that he planned to nominate McKinney for the next Supreme Court opening.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
7:48 pm
@Nunna
I’m STILL waiting….
bob
November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm
Can someone please tell McCain that this happened because of that dreadful video ? The gut the made it in now in jail, we should drop this story. So what if a few people died ! Had Bush been in office his admin would not have understood that you should not hurt the feeling of muslims by releasing a mean spirited video. I saw the video and it implied that Allah had sex with a 9 year old girl, everybody knows a great leader like Allah would never do that. Jay, McCain is not half the man you are and Susan Rice was right, this was the result of a spontaneous demonstration that went awry. I think we have a video showing that demonstration don’t they ?
Jefferson
November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm
Pips
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
Can you see what Jack is typing before he posts it ?
stands for decibels
November 14th, 2012
7:49 pm
go before the committee tomorrow and state that his admission that the raid was caused by a video was incorrect
Another guy clinging to this “they lied about the riot” theory.
I’ll ask K71 the same question i asked upthread–if you were going to make up a story, and have your State Dept spread it, why on earth would you go with THAT one?
Why would you feed into so many right wing extremists’ paranoia and tell them that the attack was caused by an irrational violent response to a film trailer?
Four hours after I posted my original inquiry, It. Still. Makes. No. Sense.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:50 pm
Krystal – 7:37 and 7:42 weren’t good enough for you?
saywhat?
November 14th, 2012
7:50 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-article-1.1201911
Which of our bloggers was this I wonder?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:51 pm
Barking frog – no I cannot. My telepathic powers have just not ever really developed.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
7:53 pm
saywhat?
and thus the increase in gun sales among Republicans…
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:55 pm
barking frog – increased gun sales might be due to concerns about fanatical nutcases waiting for 12/21/12.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 14th, 2012
7:56 pm
“Florida man who warned he wouldn’t ‘be around’ if Barack Obama was reelected kills himself after the election”
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
7:56 pm
@Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:50 pm
LOL… So you rattle off a list of names of senators (which ALL just so happen to be Dem senators) just for the sake of rattling names and not answering the question? Nevermind answering the question. Of course you KNOW I can prove you immediately wrong by googling up EVERY John-McCain-on-eventX video and do the same for each of those other senators and come nowhere close to matching McCain’s mediawhoredom. Why bother though? Nice try kiddo.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:58 pm
Krystal – I would have thrown in some Republican senators’ names, but I was afraid you might go into cardiac arrest.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
7:59 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
too bad.
Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm
Krystal’sBalls
November 14th, 2012
6:44 pm
he was unfortunate enough to be captured as a POW. Boy has he ridden THAT gravytrain off the rails long long ago.
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The gravytrain of being a POW. Yea.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:01 pm
Just to make sure I understand, you don’t think Kennedy, Hillary, Moynihan and Franken aren’t/weren’t on major ego trips? I don’t know whether they were on camera more than McCain or not. I just know that if they didn’t get their requisite media attention, they do/did something to get themselves back in the limelight.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:03 pm
Barking frog – how are your telepathic powers doing lately?
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:03 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
7:55 pm
barking frog – increased gun sales might be due to concerns about fanatical nutcases waiting for 12/21/12.
…………………
I think they are mostly due to post election suicidal Republicans.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:05 pm
BF – I dunno. I’m considering purchasing some more ammo. Some folks are nuts about the 12/21 stuff.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:06 pm
Ahhh what the heck. I figured I’d go ahead and test out my little theory @Nunna by Youtube searching for the senators. Behold!!!
John McCain – About 157,000 results
John Kerry – About 36,400 results
Harry Reid – About 23,200 results
Hilary Clinton – About 25,000 results
Joe Leiberman – About 3,900 results
I just stopped there dude. I figured if I cannot get a decent number out of Clinton and Kerry I sure as h377 am not going to get much out of ….Diane Feinstein?? Nevermind though, we all know the truth.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:07 pm
Oh, and Susan Rice is a whole lot cuter than Condi Rice. I don’t know if she has enough experience to be Secretary of State though. I don’t know that much about her.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:07 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:03 pm
Barking frog – how are your telepathic powers doing lately?
………………
pretty good. I predict that Obama/Biden wil win the 2012 election.
Rightwing Troll
November 14th, 2012
8:07 pm
As I’ve said all along, where are all the tears for the 4000+ troops who died in Iraq based on W, Cheney, and Rummy’s lies?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:09 pm
Very good Krystal. I stand corrected. However, that does not change the fact that quite a few of our senators need more than their fair share of attention.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm
@Nunna. You might find it surprising that I don’t care if you provide “Republican names”. My point and challenge for you was to back up your claim (I called it what it was – a generalization) that there was ONE senator who was a bigger media you know what than McCain.
You failed. There IS no bigger one than McCain. Period. ALWAYS in front of a camera trying to make himself seem big.
Jackie
November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm
@Rightwing Troll
Your question is much too hard for the so-called conservatives to answer. They don’t have a bumper sticker response.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
It’s o.k. go ahead and buy and if 12/21 doesn’t happen you can use it
as a present to celebrate Jesus’ birthday
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:12 pm
Rightwing troll – Where are the tears for the 3000 who died on 9/11 because Clinton chose not to pursue Bin Laden. Give it a rest.
Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:12 pm
Jay
November 14th, 2012
7:36 pm
Dharma, I know of no one on the blog who opposes a complete, honest and fair investigation into what happened in Benghazi. I for one think such an investigation is a necessity.
My problem is with those who jump to far-fetched conclusions and then explain the lack of supportive facts as some sort of conspiracy.
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Seriously Jay. How many times have you not read the mind of those you disagree with and found nothing but impure intentions. People always jump to conclusion when looking at the other side. That is why many on the right believe Obama was born in Kenya despite no evidence other than is father being from a foreign country. On the left many believe Bush had prior knowledge of 911.
Both sides are willing to believe the worse in the other which is the worse thing about both sides. This driven by ego of both sides in believing they are always right and those who disagree are immoral or evil.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/More_than_half_of_Democrats_believed_Bush_knew.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 14th, 2012
8:13 pm
It’s o.k. go ahead and buy and if 12/21 doesn’t happen you can use it
as a present to celebrate Jesus’ birthday
Jesus wants a .40 cal. or larger.
Brosephus™
November 14th, 2012
8:13 pm
I know Brosephus agrees with Hagel as SecDef, so we appear to have an early favorite.
I was discussing this on a different news site, and after Hagel’s name was agreed upon, Lugar’s came up just as it did here. Maybe “the people” need to become more vocal in order to get the ear of the president. There seems to be agreement accross the board with those names.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:15 pm
So you guys don’t have any concerns about some of these fanatics will do around 12/21/12 just to ensure their survival?
Don’t like Jesus on this blog. Must make a note.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
@Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm
I know I shouldn’t waste my time even chopping this thing up for you. I do expect people to have a minimal level of intelligence out here. But then again this is AJC blogging.
Orange12
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
You be the judge on this.
http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
Moderate Line – well said.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:17 pm
What’s happening 12/21…other than NOTHING?
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:18 pm
I think the Prez should nominate Petraeus for SecDef.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:18 pm
Krystal – I gather from your comment to Moderate Line that you believe that extreme positions by both parties is appropriate, or just Democrats?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:19 pm
Krystal – you and I know nothing will happen, but you can never tell what some fanatics might do.
Brosephus™
November 14th, 2012
8:19 pm
I see I came right back into one of those classic left/right pissing contests…
And now I’m headed right back out. Check y’all later….
Mick
November 14th, 2012
8:20 pm
**Officially. I just cannot see, for the life of me, how so many people could be so wrong.** yaker
A smart man always assesses his options, it just could be that you are wrong about the president and those others are right.
Doesn’t really matter because you need this president to displace your anger and guess what? You have four more years to blame everything in the universe on obama! It’s therapeutic but just remember some truth, the price of gas is dropping like lead, is that obama’s fault too???
Joe Middle of the Road
November 14th, 2012
8:21 pm
You make valid points about Condoleezza Rice telling untruths to the American public about Saddam Hussein and Iraq’s nuclear program. But Susan Rice is no better, as she told the American public untruths about the Benghazi attack. If Susan did not know what caused the Benghazi attack, wouldn’t it have been better not to say anything about the anti-muslim film? I don’t believe either Susan or Condi Rice lied by telling intentionally false statements, but they both did spin their party’s position on a situation before all of the facts were known.. Does this disqualify Susan Rice to be Secretary of State? Inevitably, it i not up to us to decide, but our representatives in Congress.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:21 pm
BR – He might would have made a good one, but now his future has gone the way of his boxers.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:22 pm
BF not BR.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:22 pm
Mick
price of gas in Miami $6.44 per gallon. Republicans are lining up.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 14th, 2012
8:23 pm
…the price of gas is dropping like lead…
That just can’t be true, ’cause I was assured on this very blog — multiple times — that gasoline would be $6 a gallon by election day.
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:25 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
Maybe, but the nomination fight would be classic.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:26 pm
Nah, all gas is unleaded now. No lead dropping.
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:26 pm
I don’t take to extremity regardless of political affiliation. I really don’t. However, you can’t put BS to me that is handed to you by the likes of Rush Limbaugh or others like Donald Trump (like sealed college records and that type of garbage) and expect me to take you seriously.
I believing in PROVING my arguments, and not from political party agenda or conspiracy theory websites. I believe in taking the words that come from the individuals lips IN THE CONTEXT that they spoke, rather than the spin put on it by pundits. I believe in having discussion using MY OWN words, not the taglines given to me by a radio talk show host or ta talking point. Those types of things.
Mick
November 14th, 2012
8:26 pm
frog
Miami is paradise this time of year and it only gets better.
Obama took a lot of republican votes, must’ve been the dream act…
Orange12
November 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
“that gasoline would be $6 a gallon by election day”
Hmmm, do you think your Mom will give you some more money for gas?
Krystal'sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
I butchered my last post. Have to handle something…
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
Krystal, maybe we were referring to different posts. This is what I was talking about:
“Seriously Jay. How many times have you not read the mind of those you disagree with and found nothing but impure intentions. People always jump to conclusion when looking at the other side. That is why many on the right believe Obama was born in Kenya despite no evidence other than is father being from a foreign country. On the left many believe Bush had prior knowledge of 911.
Both sides are willing to believe the worse in the other which is the worse thing about both sides. This driven by ego of both sides in believing they are always right and those who disagree are immoral or evil.”
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:29 pm
Mick
I think it was more that hey wanted him to continue the Obamacare enactment.
Mick
November 14th, 2012
8:30 pm
If the oil companies had it in for obama then gas would’ve went to $6 a gallon. I guess it’s true that the market dictates price or he got lucky in their business cycle.
Who the hell really knows when it comes to oil companies, it’s a mystery…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 14th, 2012
8:30 pm
Hmmm, do you think your Mom will give you some more money for gas?
Not necessary.
I’ve got a box full of Obamaphones to sell
bob
November 14th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jay, why do we need an investigation ? We know a demonstration was occurring prior to the attack and we know a video was released that hurt people’s feelings. Put 2 and 2 together, this was spontaneous. We saw a video showing the ambassador and a Libyan rep standing outside of the embassy prior to the attack. I think I heard a chant, “hey hey, ho ho, the ambassador has to go” !
This is an attempt by the right to get us to forget about all the ills of Bush, Obama just told us how the fiscal cliff was all Bush’s fault and the right is using Benghazi as a smokescreen.
Mick
November 14th, 2012
8:33 pm
frog
Yes, good point, if there is any freebie to be had, their hands are out in miami…
barking frog
November 14th, 2012
8:33 pm
bob
can you spell your name backwards?
moonbat betty
November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm
YEAH
3.19 a gallon!
Happy days are here again!
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm
KB – in retrospect, I think I just said something about all senators never met a camera they didn’t want to be in front of. I don’t think I tried to rank them. However, it isn’t worth arguing over, in my opinion.
Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm
Krystal’sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
@Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm
I know I shouldn’t waste my time even chopping this thing up for you. I do expect people to have a minimal level of intelligence out here. But then again this is AJC blogging.
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Spoken like a true extremist. Insult people’s morals and their intelligence.
USA Patriot
November 14th, 2012
8:37 pm
Krystal, looks like you should be handling your “balls” before you explode. Sheeesh!
moonbat betty
November 14th, 2012
8:38 pm
Mick, are you native (Miami)?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 14th, 2012
8:39 pm
“Obama warns McCain: Go after U.N. Ambassador Rice? ‘You have a problem with me’ …”
Funny how Obama talks tougher to U.S. Senators who are responsible under the Constitution for “advice and consent” than he does terrorists.
Spoken by someone with a “dictator” mentality.
Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:40 pm
Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:35 pm
Krystal’sBalls
November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
@Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm
I know I shouldn’t waste my time even chopping this thing up for you. I do expect people to have a minimal level of intelligence out here. But then again this is AJC blogging.
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There is nothing original in what I said. It is simply a psychological principle called confirmation bias. People except the flimsy of evidence which supports their beliefs and dismiss the strongest of those that go against their beliefs.
i am sorry if it is over your head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:42 pm
Just an observation – people don’t take it well when others attack their character, morals or intelligence. It almost always puts them on the defensive.
Today’s words to live by.
They BOTH suck
November 14th, 2012
8:47 pm
Scout
Lest you forget
“If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier… as long as I’m the dictator. Hehehe.”
― George W. Bush
Doggone/GA
November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm
“Just an observation – people don’t take it well when others attack their character, morals or intelligence. It almost always puts them on the defensive”
Only if they are insecure in any of those. Those who are secure just consider the source and shrug it off.
Moderate Line
November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
November 14th, 2012
8:42 pm
Just an observation – people don’t take it well when others attack their character, morals or intelligence. It almost always puts them on the defensive.
Today’s words to live by.
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If you are truly trying persuade people it never works. It only makes you feel better. My belief is there are smart moral and well intention people on both sides. We are all prone to seek confirmation from those
We rarely confide in those who are better than we. Most often, on the other hand, we confess to those who are like us and who share our weaknesses. Hence we don’t want to improve ourselves and be bettered, for we should first have to be judged in default. We merely wish to be pitied and encouraged in the course we have chosen.
Albert Camus
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 14th, 2012
8:48 pm
“Obama warns McCain: Go after U.N. Ambassador Rice? ‘You have a problem with me’ …”
If she ain’t tough enough to take up for herself she sure ain’t tough enough to be Secretary of State !