Peter Beinart: Barred from Atlanta’s Jewish book festival
UPDATE: As the AJC’s Rosalind Bentley reports, tonight’s presentation by Peter Beinart at the Margaret Mitchell House has been sold out.
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Peter Beinart was raised in the Jewish faith, attends an Orthodox synagogue in New York City, keeps kosher and says “I love Israel and believe in the Zionist experiment.” He was also just named one of the “Forward 50” by the Jewish Daily Forward, a listing that marks him among those “who have made a significant impact on the Jewish story in the past year.”
Peter Beinart
So how does Beinart become persona non grata at the Book Festival of the Marcus Jewish Community Center of Atlanta, his invitation to speak this week suddenly withdrawn? Beinart himself is in some ways mystified, noting that “I speak to Jewish audiences all the time — at synagogues and community centers,” and had never previously been disinvited. However, he also recognizes that in his new book “The Crisis in Zionism,” he says things that have angered and perhaps even frightened America’s Jewish establishment.
In brief, Beinart sees Israel becoming less and less democratic — both in spirit and reality — as it attempts to swallow the occupied territories without granting basic human rights to the millions of Palestinians who live there. And he warns that over time, an abandonment of Israel’s democratic heritage will jeopardize its support among young Jewish Americans by forcing them to choose between Israel and their support for democracy and equal rights.
Last month, an opinion poll released in Israel highlighted the risks cited by Beinart. The poll found that 42 percent of Israeli Jews did not want their children to attend class with the children of Israeli Arabs; only 19 percent would give Palestinians the right to vote if the territories were permanently annexed into Israel. And just six years after Jimmy Carter was strongly condemned for using the term “apartheid” to describe Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, 59 percent of Israeli Jews admit point-blank that apartheid now exists in their country.
It is absolutely true, of course, that a similar poll of the Arab nations that surround Israel would find overwhelming, even vicious anti-Jewish sentiment. It is equally true that even today, Israeli Arabs enjoy a degree of free speech unavailable in almost any Arab country.
But it is also true that the United States maintains no “special relationship” with those Arab countries. Some may be U.S. allies, but it is an alliance of mere convenience, not an alliance based on deeply shared values and traditions. Beinart fears that if Israel abandons a two-state solution to the Palestinian problem and attempts permanent subjugation of the Palestinian people, even many Jewish Americans will begin to detach themselves from the country, with dangerous consequences.
As he writes in his book, Israel “must not do to others what Jews found hateful when done to them.”
Beinart is hardly the first to make that argument, and is far from the most forceful. But such things are generally said in Israel, by Israelis, not here in America. For example, Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, wrote that the poll cited above “lays bare an image of Israeli society, and the picture is a very, very sick one. Now it is not just critics at home and abroad, but Israelis themselves who are openly, shamelessly, and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists.”
Beinart has been invited to Israel to speak and debate its future, and has received a respectful welcome. “In general, the conversation in Israel is less confined,” he says. “Israelis don’t worry about whether they have the standing to comment.”
So he can say these things in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, but not at the Book Festival of the MJCCA?
“Our membership isn’t closed to anyone or any one idea, but the negative reaction was significant,” Steven Cadranel, president of the MJCCA, told Rosalind Bentley of the AJC. “We believe this is a message best presented away from our facility.”
As a result, Beinart’s presentation has been stripped from the book festival listing and rescheduled for Wednesday at 8:15 p.m. at the Margaret Mitchell House. As he put it last week, “There’s something not quite Jewish about trying to deny someone a public forum to discuss public issues.”
– Jay Bookman
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Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
7:49 pm
The MSM is trying to make this all about military top brass sex scandals and not about Obama administration cover ups or gross incompetency. With congressional Democrats now getting outraged this story won’t be going away anytime soon. Fasten your seat belts this will be a bumpy if not an ugly ride.
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
7:50 pm
The substitute teacher…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
Tundra Dude
November 13th, 2012
7:50 pm
Orange:
Ever notice that when matters of importance happen like Benghazi, CIA Director Scandal, Fast and Furious etc. the Pres. acts like Sgt Schultz off that old sitcom Stalag 13.
Might be better for your mental health if you stopped watching those Soaps on Faux…..
Just guessing…., what do they have….
“The Fast and the Restless”, “, Petraeus and Friends” and maybe “The Bordellos of Benghazi” ??
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
7:50 pm
Those buying into the, better run and buy guns today hype….. Take a clue from the WHO and say “won’t be fooled again”
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2012
7:52 pm
“The MSM is trying to make this all about military top brass sex scandals and not about Obama administration cover ups or gross incompetency”
So sue ‘em
Fred ™
November 13th, 2012
7:52 pm
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
7:43 pm
To me, the most humorous aspect of any discussion about American/Israeli politics is how the neocons feign being such being BIG fans of that country.
Gimme a break. Who are they kidding??? It is transparent and laughable.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You miss the point. They love Jews in Israel. Jews in America? Not so much.
Anything else I can clear up for you before I go play me new game? Need to know why there are no Jewish “faith healers” like the Baptists have?
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
7:53 pm
Recon
You could be right.
You want Obama to go down so bad, you can’t stand it.
Keep Hope Alive
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
7:56 pm
Gun sales are way up.
Two day old drudgey spam.
josef
November 13th, 2012
7:59 pm
FRED
“…why there are no Jewish “faith healers””
We call them specialists!
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2012
7:59 pm
really appreciate the perspective you lent to the topic, josef.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 13th, 2012
7:59 pm
Regarding Israel:
“NEVER AGAIN !”
………….. and that means “whatever” it takes.
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:00 pm
TBS,
I like most people following this unfortunate mess that’s hurting lives and worse yet taken lives want answers. I couldn’t care less about Obama personally rising or falling politically. I only care about the country.
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2012
8:02 pm
“NRA and gun manufacturers laughed to the bank as they are doing now.”
these “they” you speak of are one and the same.
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:02 pm
SFD
Just my opinion…
haynowsteinberg
November 13th, 2012
8:03 pm
maybe they’ll burn his books? or maybe they’ll let him in if he wears a pitchfork on his lapel, so he’d be recognized in the crowd. why don’t they check everyone’s papers at the gate and make sure they are in their right minds. they’ll probably need to send the children to their own special classes as they enter the building…
it really is amazing what some people are afraid of hearing these days. i hope he comes to atlanta and presents his ideas at the Carter Library or the Auburn Ave Research Library instead of some stuck in the mud “cultural Center”.
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2012
8:03 pm
“I only care about the country”
Better get in mourning then. Didn’t you see? It’s been pronounced dead…several times over in fact.
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:03 pm
Reagan / Carter
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:03 pm
Oh looky! a column written by a blatant shill for the warmongering crook in the whitehouse, a column which blatantly lies about Jews and slanders Jewish landowners to deflect attention from the crooks in the whitehouse and pentagon.
The truth about Israel, and a complete debunking of Bookman’s lies can be found in the May 8,1948 issue of The Nation Associates, which can be read online as ‘British Record on Partition’.
Beinart is a self hating kapo, the same type of Jew that Jay and the ‘international community’ loved so much during WWII.
Sorry Jay, the JCC is under NO obligation to host such a lying traitor to the Jewish people.
Mick
November 13th, 2012
8:04 pm
**trying to make this all about military top brass sex scandals and not about Obama administration cover ups or gross incompetency. **
Umm…that’s because it is about the generals unless you believe in guilt by association???
Fred ™
November 13th, 2012
8:04 pm
josef: One day I’ll tell you the joke. It doesn’t do so well in written form……..
OK. Time to play some COD Black Ops II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wIZp_E2CxQ
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2012
8:05 pm
“You miss the point. They love Jews in Israel. Jews in America? Not so much”
I always assume that End Timey prophecies have a lot to do with that.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:06 pm
Oh and Bookman, keep us posted when some American blacks play for the hamas or fatah basketball teams–just as they’ve played for Maccabbi Tel Aviv.
Feel free to tell everyone that the civil rights movement for blacks was aided by ZIONISTS, and Jew-loving blacks like MLK, NOT by any of these headpatted Jewhating Sharpton/Alice Walker types.
Feel free to stop serving as a cowardly propagandist by lying about Jews and instead start telling the truth.
Dave
November 13th, 2012
8:08 pm
Knowing nothing about this author and too much about Ann Coulter who was “disinvited” recently, the only thing I can think of to differentiate them is that this guy from the piece appears to be serious and Ann Coulter is, well, just what is she all about? Still, do we inhibit speech based on serious and fluff?
Fred ™
November 13th, 2012
8:09 pm
jimbob sounds like an angry little boy.
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:09 pm
Recon
Run that “jive talk” by somone else, but you know you have your conclusions. Your posts show your hand. I would take you to the bank in poker.
If the facts lead to an Obama cover up, let him suffer the consequences. I will not defend him if he is guilty.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
8:11 pm
Ann Coulter is, well, just what is she all about? Still, do we inhibit speech based on serious and fluff?
Ann Coulter is a fluffer?
Who knew?
crabapplejoe
November 13th, 2012
8:11 pm
Generally speaking……..those being censored are telling the truth…..
Vladimir Illyich Lenin
November 13th, 2012
8:12 pm
Jimbob, the human pig.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:12 pm
What’s the matter Fred, hate it when I debunk your lies? You’re so very brave aren’t you Fred? Just like every other bigot throughout history.
Be a brave soldier and go beat up a Jew. Stop lying on the internet and get out there and DO something.
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2012
8:13 pm
“those being censored are telling the truth”
Except he’s not BEING censored. They even found an alternative site where he can speak.
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
8:13 pm
…self hating kapo…
Is it any wonder you ultra-right wing nutjobs can’t get even a third of American Jews to vote for you?
Keep up the good work, Republicans.
Every single, solitary time that we lambaste, shellac, thrash, and wallop you at the polls, I could not be more proud of my tribe…
Check please!
November 13th, 2012
8:13 pm
Doggone/GA said “A warning was issued and ignored.”
Justify it however you please. The end result is the same.
Vladimir Illyich Lenin
November 13th, 2012
8:13 pm
Jimbob, get back on the meds. Pronto.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:13 pm
Time to expose the liars using some actual primary sourcing, Nation Associates:
“The facts will show, moreover, that:
The British have allowed 10,000 foreign invaders to enter Palestine, offering the feeble excuse that the British armed forces, consisting, at the outset, of over 80,000 men, could not adequately protect the border.
Although since December 11, 1947 the British have been promising to return to Transjordan the contingents of the Arab Legion brought to Palestine for police duty, they have allowed the members of that force to remain in Palestine and to attack Jewish communities. The only conclusion to be drawn is that the Arab Legion constitutes a major part of the effort to coerce the Jews into accepting less than the Jewish State granted by the United Nations.
At no time has the British government, in spite of its alleged impotence, requested any help from the United Nations; in fact, as the record shows, the British have continued to deprecate the situation, refused to identify the invaders, and have consistently denied that the Arab states as such are involved.
Through their action they have admitted into Palestine Arabs of known Nazi allegiance in command of the invading forces, and have even admitted escaped Nazi prisoners of war, now to be found in command of Arab detachments. From secret British intelligence reports, which are quoted extensively in this record, it is clear that the British know and have always known of every single Arab troop movement in Palestine, and that their relations with the Arabs are such that they could ask Arab leaders to request the invading forces to remain unobtrusive.
British sabotage has resulted in turning Jerusalem into an armed camp, has permitted the Arabs to seize the Old City and to hold as hostages some 2000 Jews.”
Vladimir Illyich Lenin
November 13th, 2012
8:15 pm
Meds, jimbob, meds!!!!!!
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2012
8:15 pm
jimbob lasts seven more posts before losing it and getting red carded, I figure.
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2012
8:15 pm
“Justify it however you please. The end result is the same”
Sure. The subject of this blog was found an alternative speaking site and anyone banned from here can find a more congenial place where they can post. Yep, I agree…same result.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:16 pm
Simon Deng, former Sudanese slave. Note that the real negrophobic racists tend to whine a lot about the mythological torture of Muslims by Jews instead of writing about the actual torture of African blacks by Muslims.
“I came here as a friend of the State of Israel and the Jewish people. –I came to protest this Durban conference which is based on a set of lies. It is organized by nations who are themselves are guilty of the worst kinds of oppression.
It will not help the victims of racism. It will only isolate and target the Jewish state. It is a tool of the enemies of Israel. The UN has itself become a tool against Israel. For over 50 years, 82 percent of the UN General Assembly emergency meetings have been about condemning one state – Israel. Hitler couldn’t have been made happier.
The Durban Conference is an outrage. All decent people will know that.
But friends, I come here today with a radical idea. I come to tell you that there are peoples who suffer from the UN’s anti-Israelism even more than the Israelis. I belong to one of those people.
Please hear me out.
By exaggerating Palestinian suffering, and by blaming the Jews for it, the UN has muffled the cries of those who suffer on a far larger scale.
For over fifty years the indigenous black population of Sudan — Christians and Muslims alike — has been the victims of the brutal, racist Arab Muslim regimes in Khartoum.
In South Sudan, my homeland, about 4 million innocent men, women and children were slaughtered from 1955 to 2005. Seven million were ethnically cleansed and they became the largest refugee group since World War II.
The UN is concerned about the so-called Palestinian refugees. They dedicated a separate agency for them. and they are treated with a special privilege.
Meanwhile, my people, ethnically cleansed, murdered and enslaved, are relatively ignored. The UN refuses to tell the world the truth about the real causes of Sudan’s conflicts. Who knows really what is happening in Darfur? It is not a “tribal conflict.” It is a conflict rooted in Arab colonialism well known in north Africa. In Darfur, a region in the Western Sudan, everybody is Muslim. Everybody is Muslim because the Arabs invaded the North of Africa and converted the indigenous people to Islam. In the eyes of the Islamists in Khartoum, the Darfuris are not Muslim enough. And the Darfuris do not want to be Arabized. They love their own African languages and dress and customs. The Arab response is genocide! But nobody at the UN tells the truth about Darfur.”
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
8:16 pm
I’m sure some of jimbob’s best friends are Jews. LOL!!!
(Call us crazy, jimbob, we just ain’t into your American quasi-fascism very much…)
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:17 pm
So much fun exposing the antizionist provocateur columnist and his merry band of bigots.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
November 13th, 2012
8:17 pm
mrsstsimons was barred from a festival one time
but not for the same reason
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
8:18 pm
Justify it however you please. The end result is the same.
Robert Brown from Gwinnett started his melt-down much earlier today. Perhaps you should peruse the downstairs thread.
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:18 pm
“Both, they just haven’t around to you yet”
Damn it, thanks for the warning. Time to hide a few.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:19 pm
1948, Nation Associates, documenting the fact that the Jews then, as now, are the anti-imperialists, resisting the Arab pets of the Brits (and today the pets of the Brits and US):
“Their attitude to the Arab community is quite different. By British admission, the Arab community has been armed by the British. Arab train robberies, which have been frequent, have been met with shooting over the heads of the robbers. Arab desertions from the police, for the purpose of joining the attackers, accompanied by the stealing of arms, have never been prevented, and Arab violators of the peace go unpunished.
To this record can be added the detailed facts concerning the fashion in which the British have destroyed central authority, and, under the guise of establishing greater local authority, turned over in largest part to the Arabs the various services of the Palestine government created and maintained chiefly by taxation of the Jewish community. Simultaneously, assets have been dissipated and vital communications disposed of to foreign agencies. The effect of this has been to seal the Jewish community in a limited area, cut off its access to the outside world by land and sea, and surround it by Arabs in order to create such a state of siege as would cause the Jews to send up a white flag.
By arrangement with the Arab League, if partition is shelved through any one of several schemes to assure Arab dominance in Palestine, the British are to receive base rights in Haifa, the Negev and Galilee. “
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:20 pm
“I would take you to the bank in poker. ”
TBS, maybe you could at that but I do know that I have more time playing Black Jack and Poker in the dirt than you do scraping your face in the morning. Time in…it’s hard to beat one on one.
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:23 pm
Recon
Maybe, maybe not
If you show your hand on all things as you have done on this issue, I might have to say the heck with the money and just let you buy me a few rounds. Don’t like taking easy money. Even a left leaner like me…….. likes to earn it.
It would be fun either way.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:24 pm
Why did Lavon Mercer play for MTA and serve in the IDF? Did those evil Jooooos capture him like King Kong and make him do it?
Or are facts like this conveniently ignored by our antizionist media, which gets dumb people to believe the most absurd things about Israel?
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:26 pm
What is up with Wingfield’s blog?
Like an ole skool pinball machine his column went “tilt”…………..
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:27 pm
Oh, and Lenin: The jokes are cute. Now debunk me. Why do so many allegedly ‘educated’ people tend to think that the mass media lies–but that it’s telling the truth when saying ridiculously absurd things about Israel.
Did you know that Jews–not Islamic supremacists–DIED for the civil rights movement in the US? Why would *anyone* think that Jews here are really great but Jews ‘over there’ are diabolically evil?
Why is Bookman peddling this myth?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
8:28 pm
BOTH
Papa Kyle came home and got p*ssed, and someone’s goin’ to the woodshed.
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:29 pm
Regardless of political leanings, did anyone catch the “killing of OBL” documentary on National Geographic.
What an amazing job by the intelligence folks and of course the SEAL team that actually did the deed.
Hats off to all of them.
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
8:32 pm
Did you know that liberal Jews–NOT American conservatives–DIED for the civil rights movement in the US? Why would *anyone* think that American conservatives, who lynched, tortured and killed Jews in this country and did every thing they could to keep the Jews out of power are really great?
Give it up, jimbob.
Even though you hyper-emotional histrionics are kinda funny. (In a sad and demented kind of way…)
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:32 pm
TBS,
Politically speaking and in most other things my cards are right up on the table. I’m a right wing conservative no where near the center but not on the far right fringe. Everyone does or should know that much about me. Now as for you, it seems that you’re about the same as me but on the left. I don’t buy into your “lean left” cover. I’ve seen you too often jump to the defense of far-left posters and in doing so you’ve shown your hand.
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
8:33 pm
Yep, more post-election, right wing meltdowns next door…
And Daddy Kyle is not amused…
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:34 pm
Kam
I guess so. Not even a new column and posts in quarantine before he checks them, like he did awhile back.
His game, his rules, however he has a few bloggers if he allows to stay, the problem will not change. He attempts to get rid of the symptoms not the cause.
Jay
November 13th, 2012
8:35 pm
JimBob, you have taken a dive off the deep end into an empty pool.
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:36 pm
BOTH
I guess I’m going to have to bring charges against you for alienation of affection…
JamVet
November 13th, 2012
8:37 pm
TBS at 8:29,
Yes, a great program.
To the commander-in-chief, the men who performed that perilous mission and ALL of the thousands and thousands of folks whose talents and dedication went into that successful dispensation of American justice….
SALUTE!
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:38 pm
BIG DADDY
Splat?
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:38 pm
Recon
If that is your take, so be it. One thing I do not do is play this conservative that, liberal that……… broad brushing is for the weak minded. I do however go after the posts of individual bloggers.
Again, you already have your conclusions on this issue; at least you have shown that via your posts.
I have not exonerated or convicted anyone, explicitly or implicitly, nor can you show where I have done that.
Brosephus™
November 13th, 2012
8:38 pm
Geez, why didn’t jimbob just post the link instead of cutting and pasting the whole website without giving credit to the writer?
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
8:39 pm
josef
Guilty as charged
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:39 pm
It appears that Kyle only booted a few that he has before. What’s so unusual?
Georgia
November 13th, 2012
8:41 pm
PBS newhour spent 22 minutes on Broadwell et al. Abc spent seven, both fully a third of their airtime. But it’s starting to peak. Looks like Allen is innocent. Looks like the FBI turned over a rock and Patraeus crawled out. I guess that’s unnerving enough. Luckovich’s Patraeus was hilarious. He’s a genius. I guess Broadwell doesn’t have to ask “Boxers or Briefs” anymore, eh? It’s boxers. with little hearts on them. Funny, funny stuff.
Dont you just love writing copy?
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:42 pm
The author? Freda Kirchwey? She’s dead. The website debunks lies like those of Beinart. Doesn’t pay well and there are not many doing it—but it’s good that there are still a handful of websites that tell the truth.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:43 pm
Jay,
Your inability to tell us why you’re peddling lies is duly noted. Not to mention that Freda Kirchwey’s memoranda to the UN entirely debunk the narrative you’re selling.
Brosephus™
November 13th, 2012
8:44 pm
Yep, more post-election, right wing meltdowns next door…
JimBob, you have taken a dive off the deep end into an empty pool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZzTpjh-NsQ
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
8:44 pm
His game, his rules, however he has a few bloggers if he allows to stay, the problem will not change.
Criberius and his sock-puppet lil bb.
I see that others are beginning to catch on about that over there.
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:45 pm
jimbob
I’m probably going to live to regret this, but what are Breibart’s “lies?”
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:45 pm
Jay,
Why are you ignoring the plight of actual victims of fascism like Simon Deng and instead peddling the lie that Israelis are oppressing Islamic supremacists?
getalife
November 13th, 2012
8:45 pm
jimbobs,
” people to believe the most absurd things about Israel?”
Do tell.
What websites tell you the truth?
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:46 pm
I have not exonerated or convicted anyone, explicitly or implicitly, nor can you show where I have done that.
TBS, sure you have but I don’t keep a diary. This is an opinion blog and I don’t take it seriously enough to hold grudges against anyone or think much about it in relation to the most important priorities in my life. You can call that “jive talk” but it’s how I view this thing.
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:47 pm
oops
@ 8:45
That should be Beinart’s lies…Freudian slip or too many G&T’s
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:47 pm
Who is Breibart? Regarding Beinart, his entire narrative is predicated on fiction and the ignoring of law.
The entirely legal foundation of Israel is well established.
There’s a lot of money in lying about Jews, always has been. Telling the truth? Not so much.
godless heathen
November 13th, 2012
8:49 pm
Those buying into the, better run and buy guns today hype…..
Will end up with more guns. What’s it to you?
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:49 pm
The truth? Read old issues of The Nation Associates–before the US State Department got deeply into bed with the Arabs.
Use Lexis Nexis to scrutinize and analyze instead of swallowing Beinartian tripe wholesale. Study the law (this is the real reason so many gentiles hate the Jews, we uphold the law that protects the untermenschen).
Study Howard Grief’s analysis on the legality of Israel and the right of Jews to own land in Palestine.
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:50 pm
Georgia,
Haven’t caught that about Allen but I’m glad to hear he’s being exonerated. It seemed like too many were assuming and not giving him any benefit of the doubt.
getalife
November 13th, 2012
8:50 pm
What is the truth bilbob?
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:52 pm
jimbob
Beinart is a Zionist and an Orthodox Jew…what fiction and what ignoring of law? Not being snarky here, but are you Jewish?
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:53 pm
Brosephus,
How do you reconcile the Beinart story with the reality of George Exantus? the reality of Lavon Mercer?
Why do refugees from other countries flee to Israel if those evil Jooos are constantly tormenting others?
Recon 0311 2533
November 13th, 2012
8:54 pm
I’m out, Taps…have a good evening y’all
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:54 pm
He’s not a zionist nor an orthodox Jew. Much like the term ‘palestine’—these terms are often stolen by kapo Jews. He meets ZERO qualifications of being a zionist.
Stop resorting to empty agitprop labels and try to use FACTS and law.
Reader
November 13th, 2012
8:55 pm
We can all discuss the views of Peter Beinart. The classless act is dis-inviting a man with an honest viewpoint because the message is not the “official” one. It reeks of an organization so afraid of a donor, that is cannot even begin to think of doing the right thing. A two-bit organization.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:56 pm
Jewhating gentiles have a long history of taking their little headpatted Jews and insisting, ‘oh he’s a really good Jew! He’s a big supporter of the Jews!’
And such ‘Jews’ stay silent while their masters commit their crimes.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
8:57 pm
Beinart is a classless liar and only someone with serious Jew issues would care about the fact that this hatefilled bigot was told to take his talk elsewhere.
Brosephus™
November 13th, 2012
8:58 pm
How do you reconcile the Beinart story with the reality of George Exantus? the reality of Lavon Mercer?
That’s easy, I don’t. My community has enough problems of it’s own for me to try to spend my precious time and energy solving the issues of others. That’s what makes us grown ups. We should all have the cognitive ability to solve our own problems or seek solutions to them without having to depend on others to do it for us. You know, the old “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” method.
getalife
November 13th, 2012
8:58 pm
Americans should remind them we have freedom of speech in our country.
Folks like bibob are free to babble on.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
8:58 pm
Two melt-downs in one day has certainly made this a red letter day for my diary.
josef
November 13th, 2012
8:59 pm
READER
My take exactly…
JIMBOB
So tell me, how do you know he is not Orthodox? And what are the qualifications for being a Zionist?
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2012
9:02 pm
“It reeks of an organization so afraid of a donor, that is cannot even begin to think of doing the right thing.”
Didn’t that just lose an organization a pretty important election?
Brosephus™
November 13th, 2012
9:02 pm
Kamchak
Did you click on that youtube link I posted @ 8:44?
My apologies if anybody’s offended by that, but that episode of The Simpson’s is one of my favorites.
jimbob
November 13th, 2012
9:03 pm
Here’s a good legal primer:
http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/02-issue/grief-2.htm
The biggest lie pertains to the issue of stealing land that belongs to Israel, concentrating Jews in a very vulnerable lowland area, and lying about Jewish land owners by calling them ’settlers’.
I notice that people that lack the cajones to slander the Jews of toco hills like this have no problem showing how ‘brave’ they are by slandering the Jews of palestine. There are no ’settlements’. Jews have every right to own land just like anyone else and modern day Israel resides on a small sliver of the land that was legally established as the Jewish homeland.
Those obsessed with stealing Israel’s land do not propose ‘expanding’ civil rights, but rather expanding the region of Muslim-only, ethnically clean apartheid.
Jay
November 13th, 2012
9:06 pm
Jimbob, you are doing great discredit and violence to your own argument. You are ranting like a madman, and your rant has just been cut short.
fair and balanced
November 13th, 2012
9:06 pm
Jay– ””Josef, I don’t think the Israeli body politic has the will needed to make that emotional break and shed itself of the territories, and the United States has lost the will and leverage needed to force Israel to make that decision. A considerable part of the Israeli public, Netanyahu included, is perfectly content to delay and delay, knowing that every week of delay makes it even more unlikely that Judea and Samaria will ever be surrendered”"”"”"”"
Wrong- Ehud Barack offered most of it back in 2000/ All Arafat had to do was recognize Israel’s legitimacy and give up the right to return. Arafat’s response -F==you. Bush and Condi forced Sharon to unilaterally abandon settlements, businesses, infrastructure , schools, houses, etc. in Gaza for a lasting peace.
What did they get? Hamas and endless missle barrages.So ye this hardened the Israelis along with change in Egypt, and daily terror attacks on the Sinai border. Along comes Natanyahu and talks war . So why would the Israelis want more insecurity??????????????????
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jimbob
November 13th, 2012
9:06 pm
josef,
because Jews that lie about and incite hatred of their fellow Jews are not zionists and are not orthodox. Telling you I’m a unicorn does not actually make me unicorn. Comprende?
But when beinart or similar shills for State Department policy insist that they are ‘good Jews’, it makes their supporters feel better an helps them rationalize their bigotry. After all, they can’t be Jewhaters, for Beinart is a really good Jew and he *hates* Jewish sovereignty.
Mick
November 13th, 2012
9:07 pm
“So all based on a handful of rather unremarkable emails sent to a woman fortunate enough to have a friend in the FBI, the FBI traced all of Broadwell’s physical locations, learned of all the accounts she uses, ended up reading all of her emails, investigated the identity of her anonymous lover (who turned out to be Petraeus), and then possibly read his emails as well. They dug around in all of this without any evidence of any real crime – at most, they had a case of “cyber-harassment” more benign than what regularly appears in my email inbox and that of countless of other people – and, in large part, without the need for any warrant from a court”
Good points – all…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 13th, 2012
9:10 pm
because Jews that lie about and incite hatred of their fellow Jews are not zionists and are not orthodox. Telling you I’m a unicorn does not actually make me unicorn. Comprende?
The No True Scotsman logical fallacy.
Those of you who DID NOT SEE THIS COMING, raise your hands.
getalife
November 13th, 2012
9:11 pm
bilbob barred him.
They BOTH suck
November 13th, 2012
9:11 pm
Recon
Incorrect. In terms of the Benghazi incident, I have not exonerated or convicted anyone.
Please point it out when I do or show where I have done so.
Thanks
godless heathen
November 13th, 2012
9:11 pm
Good points – all…
Mick,
And the Administration immediately gave her name to the press. Declared war on this woman, they did.