Georgia’s Tom Price a central figure in D.C. drama

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With the election finally behind us, President Obama and Congress will now try to set partisanship aside and cut a major deal on taxes, spending and entitlements.

Good luck on that, right?

The good news — which is also the bad news — is that they have enormous incentive to succeed. Without a new law, taxes are set to jump by $400 billion at the start of the year and federal spending will be slashed by $200 billion. If allowed to take full effect, those steps have the potential to set off another deep recession. So the future looks much like the past, with weeks of drama, confrontation, intrigue and brinksmanship looming between Democrats and Republicans, between the House and Senate and between Congress and the White House.

The same can be said of two Georgia Republicans, U.S. Rep. Tom Price of Marietta Roswell and U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss. Over the next three to six months, they’ll be watching each other very closely, and their interactions have the potential to directly affect the course of national politics.

Chambliss is a conservative Republican, but on fiscal issues he has been more willing than many of his GOP colleagues to consider compromise with Democrats. Much as he dislikes higher taxes, he seems to fear soaring debt even more. He has taken a leadership role in the Gang of Eight, a group of four Republican senators and four Democratic senators who have been talking and plotting for at least two years to try to reach agreement on how to slash the deficit.

The day after the election, for example, at a moment when the rest of the nation was still trying to digest what happened, Chambliss joined other gang members on a conference call to plot their course once Congress reconvenes on Tuesday. There’s a lot of skepticism about whether they can succeed, but they represent one of the few forums in which Republicans and Democrats are actually trying to reach consensus.

The broad outlines of a deal are no secret. As a matter of politics and simple math, the only way to significantly reduce the deficit is to increase tax revenues and decrease spending. You do both, or you do nothing. It’s as simple as that. Democrats who are protective of entitlement programs and the safety net have to be willing to make cuts in those programs in return for higher tax revenue, particularly from more affluent Americans. Republicans who have refused to consider higher taxes have to be willing to soften that stance in return for entitlement reform.

Which is where Price comes in.

The former physician from Marietta is one of the most conservative members of Congress and continues to reject the notion of compromise with Democrats. Last week, for example, House Speaker John Boehner made the logical point that with the president’s re-election, ObamaCare is now certain to survive. But in an interview on Fox News Sunday, Price refused to make that concession, insisting that Republicans will continue to fight it at every turn.

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Cathy McMorris Rodgers addresses the 2012 Republican National Convention. (AP)

Price has also decided to seek the chairmanship of the House Republican Conference, the No. 4 position in the House hierarchy. There too, he is bumping heads with Boehner, who has thrown his support behind the conference vice chair, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington.

If elected conference chair, McMorris Rodgers would become the only woman in a major leadership role in the House GOP. (For example, none of the 21 House committees is chaired by a woman.) That’s a major image problem for a party having serious trouble attracting female voters. McMorris Rodgers is also more moderate than Price, who is trying to rally fellow House conservatives to his cause.

The race between Price and McMorris Rodgers — to be decided in a secret ballot among House Republicans — will be watched as a test of Boehner’s strength and influence within his caucus. Price is considered the underdog, but should he win, it would bode poorly for Boehner’s ability to deliver his caucus on important budget votes in the next few months.

However, if Price loses, that too could have a serious impact on the national debate over revenue and spending. If his ambitions are frustrated in the House, Price becomes much more likely to take on Chambliss in the 2014 Republican Senate primary. His strategy would be to hang the dreaded RINO nametag around the neck of Georgia’s senior senator, depicting Chambliss as a sellout to the GOP cause.

So every time Chambliss is quoted in the media over the next few months as seeking a “balanced” approach to our debt problem, Price will take note. Every time Chambliss appears in public alongside Senate Democrats preaching compromise, a potential campaign commercial will be born.

And both men, I suspect, will be keeping very close tabs on things here at home, through polling and phone calls, trying to determine just how much leeway Georgia Republicans are prepared to give Chambliss in the budget debate.

Should a backlash develop among the GOP base here at home, the senator may be forced to decide whether addressing a major national challenge is worth significant risk to his political future.

It is.

– Jay Bookman

894 comments Add your comment

Adam

November 12th, 2012
8:29 am

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
8:33 am

Why can’t they do for country as opposed to doing for self?

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
8:35 am

Why can’t they do for country as opposed to doing for self?

They’re politicians. That’s like asking why a tiger doesn’t go vegetarian.

Divide and Conquer

November 12th, 2012
8:36 am

“Why can’t they do for country as opposed to doing for self?”

That was a rhetorical question, right? :)

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:37 am

Democrats who are protective of entitlement programs and the safety net have to be willing to make cuts in those programs in return for higher tax revenue

Why is that, Jay?

Why should any cuts come from those programs?

The GOP lost. Hugely. They lost on congressional votes, they lost the Presidential election, and there are easily a score or more of Republican congressmen who are vulnerable to being hammered by the Dems (or superPAC surrogates) if the latter group choose to target their purple districts if they don’t go along.

So the only reason I can imagine to compromise in a way that would screw ordinary Americans going forward is because establishment Democrats WANT to screw these people. And that is simply unacceptable and frankly, Jay, I’m sick and tired of people like you acting like it is.

(and now to read the rest of your piece, which I’ll admit I haven’t done past that point where I had to stop and berate you.)

Ronald Reagan Parkway

November 12th, 2012
8:37 am

Ashley Judd….gotta get Mitch McConnell’s seat….Georgia Republicans are hurting this state. Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal have pushed this state back to the dark ages. Are there five things that Nathan Deal has accomplished during his term that has benefited the state of Georgia and not himself?

Road Scholar

November 12th, 2012
8:41 am

Good let Price run against Chambliss and both will embarrass each other as the repub presidential candidates did. Those who complained about the nastiness of President Obama’s campaign against Romney only need to view videos of the republican primaries. All the charges originally made by by Repub candidates against each other were used by our President against Romney.

Yeah, let’s “go to war” but while we do give the opposition more ammunition! I don’t particularly like Chambliss, but when compared to Price, he’s a lot better! Maybe even the Dems will find a good candidate!

Bring it on Price! But it will be hard for you to talk since your head is in the ground, oblivious to what is going to go down!

Adam

November 12th, 2012
8:43 am

I am tired of “Gang of ____” talk. How about Gang of 535 sit down and compromise!

Paul

November 12th, 2012
8:44 am

I watched Price on the Fox Sunday show. Saved the recording as I thought some of the quotes would be good to reference later. Should be noted the other Republican on the Fox panel shot a number of sideways glances at Price.

Price is an ideologue on a power trip and has plenty of people willing to push him along.

One thing I haven’t figured out yet: Republicans are dead set against tax increases. Oops, no, they’re not anymore. They’re willing to close loopholes and adjust things. Which would mean revenue increases without raising marginal rates. But it’s still an increase in revenue from taxes. And that’s not a tax increase?

Maybe they know it’s easier to later on slip in an exemption here and a preference their and reverse the fixes to benefit their buddies than it is to change the marginal rates?

Nah… that couldn’t be it….

GA Dawg

November 12th, 2012
8:45 am

Here in Jawja, we hate Obarma and all the liberals. Tom Price is the man to take on Obarma’s socialism and reappeal Obarmacare.

Price is doctor, he knows how healthcare should be run.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 12th, 2012
8:46 am

Let’s hope the adult, Chambliss in this case, steps up the challenge and does what an adult would do – find the compromise to get this issue on the road to being resolved.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
8:49 am

STANDS @ 8:47

BO et al need to be careful of blatantly screwing the GOP..most here look past the fact that BO did this very thing which had some effect on GOP interest in working together (remember..”we won, you lost…”) at a time when GOP offered compromised proposal after BO’s election in 2008? Same book chapter 2…In addition, PelosiCare was shoved down their throats…

It’s easy for those on this forum to forget these “lets screw the GOP…” antics…all the rant here suggests its all the GOP’s fault re gridlock these past few years but it takes two to tango..if the DEMs blatantly screw GOP as you suggest..the distrust will take priority over any spirit of compromise…

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
8:49 am

Aquagirl

:lol: :lol:

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That was a rhetorical question, right?

Yep… very rhetorical.

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
8:49 am

Let’s hope the adult, Chambliss in this case

When we’re referring to Chambliss as the adult you know our country is in some deep, deep $#!^

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:49 am

…while I appreciate the time Jay spent to write the synopsis to this particular soap opera, I will admit to having a very difficult time caring about the characters.

Man behind the Curtain

November 12th, 2012
8:51 am

In today’s AJC, Politifact rulled Chambliss’ statement that revenues are at historic lows, at least post WWII, as “mostly true”. Why then are revenues not the MAIN focus in proportion to cuts instead of visa versa??

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 12th, 2012
8:51 am

Aquagirl,

Yes, it is a sad state of affairs when any Republican from Georgia is considered the adult in the room.

M

November 12th, 2012
8:51 am

…and this McMorris Rodgers was on record yesterday as saying the GOP does not need to become more moderate.

indigo

November 12th, 2012
8:52 am

If Price is that conservative, Republicans may see the light and not replace Boehner with him since that kind of mentality is what lost the Presidentia election.

Georgia, however, is another matter. Never ones to turn down the worst, Georgia Republican voters will eagerly replace Chambliss if he shows the slightest turn towards moderation. Replacing Chambliss with “one of the most conservative members in Congress” and one who “continues to reject the notion of compromise with Democrats” is exactly what you would expect from Georgia’s troglodyte Republicans.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
8:52 am

Paul

Agree Price is a pogue…seem he is still hot over PelosiCare being a physician and all and also seems in denial of pasting GOP just took…

IMO, all the GOP banter of compromise at the same time as no tax increases is simply public posturing as they still have lunatic right fringe voting base to please and lunatic left fringe who wants to screw GOP again..

Both equally at fault..hope things change but they won’t..

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:53 am

(remember..”we won, you lost…”)

I remember butthurt Goopers carrying on like that was something uppity to say, yes. And I care even less about their tears, now.

MiltonMan

November 12th, 2012
8:54 am

Dr. Price is from Roswell not Marietta. The 11th district includes Marietta; Price is in the 6th. Price is secure in the 6th and highly doubtful he would beat Chambliss.

Jay

November 12th, 2012
8:54 am

“…and this McMorris Rodgers was on record yesterday as saying the GOP does not need to become more moderate.

which is exactly what she needs to say to fend off Price.

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
8:54 am

BO et al need to be careful of blatantly screwing the GOP

Dude, all they need to do is sit back. The GOP will screw themselves. They’ve been doing it for years now to the point where they’re almost on autopilot.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:54 am

…and SR, who is talking about “screwing the GOP?” I’m talking about running a modern industrialized country. If the GOP chooses to reside in some fantasy land, that’s their business.

Adam

November 12th, 2012
8:55 am

“You know here in the south we say ’sometimes you gotta hit a boy upside the head with a two by four.’ The sound of this election was pine on skull!”

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
8:55 am

AQUAGIRL

Seems all politicians practice “ask not what you can do for your government, ask what your government can do for you..” that’s the problem on all sides..I would think that is one thing we can all agree with…it goes beyond politicians as well in an economy like this…

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:57 am

I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t think the party that is actually in power save for one badly wounded legislative arm should be compromising, or even talking about compromising. They should LEAD for f-ck’s sakes.

I don’t even want to tell you what I started saying when I heard some dumbass NPR Morning Edition interview with Virginia residents who were repeating this tiresome Village crap. One dipstick actually said “Obama needs to have a late night cocktail with the Speaker.” WTF?

Bosch

November 12th, 2012
8:57 am

For three years the conservatives in Congress had only one goal: defeat Obama. They’ve wasted three years when they could have been working on compromises, negotiations, etc, so sure they were going to have a Romney administration to carry out their evil plans. I am encouraged by some on the right who are willing to step outside the Fox News bubble (hat tip to Luckovich), and are realizing the Angry Old White Man party is not only ineffectual, but base policies on misinformation.

David Frum of all people said it best when pimping his book, paraphrasing, he had access to the same information as Romney’s folks and he was able to see the writing on the wall, why didn’t they?

Oh and stands, part of the reason I haven’t been here is that I became completely obsessed with Nate Silver (sorry Jay).

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:58 am

anyway, I’ll leave all you surrender monkeys to work with the Goopers. I gots to go produce for a spell…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
8:58 am

Well, dang if I can figure some of this stuff out. Republicans say they’re dead set against increases in the tax rate. But alot of them say they’re for closing tax loopholes for rich people. I may be just a old GA redneck, but wouldn’t closing tax loopholes raise taxes for rich people? Or is there something here I’m not understanding?

Maybe the AJC could print a page or two explaining why closing tax loopholes for rich people won’t be raising taxes on them. All I know is I’m sick of being the only dummy in this whole debate. Everybody else but me seems to understand all this.

Have a good Monday everybody.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
8:59 am

completely obsessed with Nate Silver

yeah, I gotta say, his commenters appear capable of dressing themselves and whatnot. I miss the local angle of Jay’s when I’m at a national blog, though.

/drive-by

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
8:59 am

Tom Price. Ugh. The karma gods must hate me to have made him my “representative”.

I find him to be one of the more scathing examples of spinelessness in DC.

During one of his telephone call ins last year, a listener asked him why there was such deadlock in DC.

His answer?

Party leadership.

True.

And highly exacerbated by him having so little moral courage that HE won’t stand up to them. Never. Ever.

Tom Price is not the solution to our problems. Tom Price is the problem. ~Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 12th, 2012
9:00 am

Tom Price voted against the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which created the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).
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A good , decent, and principled man.
Doesn’t stand a chance in Washington.
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Regardless……Price and Chambliss should still be urine-checked for Viagara and/or other free government drugs.

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
9:01 am

Both equally at fault..

Bull. There is serious question whether the Republicans can corral/ignore nutbags like Price. He’s apparently got some support for a position of leadership. AND THE MAN IS NUCKING FUTS. He’s not living in reality.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
9:01 am

…the GOP does not need to become more moderate.

OK.

Romney JUST lost the moderate vote 56% to 41%.

Let the Republican’s electoral beat downs continue…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
9:02 am

It’s easy for those on this forum to forget these “lets screw the GOP…” antics

Oy vey, the nonsense attempting to pose as “intelligent discourse” has started early from our fake “independent.” :roll:

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:02 am

BRO

Yes the GOP will of course screw themselves….but if the DEMS pull another “spirit of compromise” BS like in 2008..with the opposite turning out to be the case…which I expect based on recent history and polarization of the parties, nothing will change..

We are in the same situation excepting BO is second termer..if DEM’s are perceived by their voters as too giving, they many end up with same outcomes in 2 years…

Balancing act that will be fun to watch..

Patrick

November 12th, 2012
9:04 am

I know this sounds like a very stupid question, but at exactly what point did “moderate” and “compromise” become the four letter words that they are now considered to be?

As far as I can tell, moderates who are willing to compromise are the ONLY folks who have EVER achieved much in American politics and often in our history they were praised for it.

What has changed so much in our psyche?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
9:04 am

Stevie Ray

As I noted, seems to me Republicans are cementing their line of ‘no increase in marginal rates” BUT… the willingness to decrease deductions to bring in more revenue does just that – it increases the taxes some will pay and will bring in others to the taxpaying fold who before avoided taxes. Like certain millionaires. So it’s still a tax increase.

But if that’s what it takes to get the compromise done, that’s okay as a starting point.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:06 am

AQUAGIRL

I have come to expect from most on this forum that the GOP is responsible for all that ills..that’ BS..there is enough blame to go around..fact is, there is not incentive to change anything..in this instance, the GA fringe GOP voters are the problem…price is probably playing Bad Guy to Good Guy played by GOP who are open to negotiation.

STANDS

You seem very angry this morning….

Mary Elizabeth

November 12th, 2012
9:07 am

I heard Sen. Chambliss speak on public radio in Atlanta on Friday evening, Nov. 9, regarding this issue. He stated that he does not plan to advocate for increasing taxes on those making over $250.000. per year because that increased revenue would be “spent” by Democrats and not used to bring down the deficit.

Republicans will hang onto whatever last remnants of power they can muster to try to continue to cut “entitlements,” which has been a driving force, with them, for decades. This is their
“Last Hurrah” to change America to a more libertarian direction.

I predict that Republicans in Congress will try fervently to keep the tax cuts for everyone, including the top 1%, because they actually do not want the extra revenue that would save these entitlement programs as safety-nets, while also bringing down the deficit over time. They will continue, imo, to have their “eyes on their long-standing prize” of “starving the beast of government.”

We shall know soon their agenda.

Tom Price’s days are numbered as a political figure, even in Georgia. He is of the past. Georgia had the highest number of votes for Barack Obama – immediately behind North Carolina – of those Red states who chose Romney. Georgia is in a process of moving toward the future, not remaining in the past, where Rep. Price resides.

TaxPayer

November 12th, 2012
9:09 am

Tom Price will object to actions by members of his own party now that President Obama has finished mopping the floor with him over opposing healthcare plans. That pretty much defines Tom Price’s capabilities.

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
9:10 am

We are in the same situation excepting BO is second termer..

No, we are NOT in the same situation. The only reason the GOP still has control of the House is because of the 2010 election. He who has control of the states in most cases gets to draw the house district lines. The GOP will likely control the house through the entire decade because of partisaned districting. It has little to do with their message or them having any kind of “mandate”.

If the Dems don’t do what the country is expecting them to do, which is lead, then they will get their due for not doing so. It’s in the GOP’s best interest to compromise with the Dems, and not the other way around. As it currently stands, the Dems have a sizeable advantage in demographics and ground game. As such, they have the people behind them right now.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:11 am

KEEP

You may benefit from staying focused on the issues instead of your childish and deflecting judgement of those you disagree with..I know your opinion of my views…it’s irrelevant to the issue at hand…if you want to have “intelligent discourse” try posting some meaningful responses that defend your position..otherwise, you are simply another kindergartner in the sandbox.. Your desire that I become part of your circle jerkish mutual admiration society is lacking substance…give me a reason to agree with you..

You can do it..I have complete confidence…

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 12th, 2012
9:12 am

Off topic, I guess, but a very good read. This review coming from an aging white guy…

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171155/aging-white-guys-real-losers-2012

weetamoe

November 12th, 2012
9:13 am

Ignorance plus anger are a dangerous combination–especially when trademarked.

straitroad

November 12th, 2012
9:14 am

The hubris on this board is very telling. You folks should spend some time in less friendly territory every now and again. You sound like a bunch of parrots.

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
9:14 am

price is probably playing Bad Guy to Good Guy played by GOP who are open to negotiation.

For whom is he playing this little scenario? If it’s for the Democrats he doesn’t need to make his crazy displays in the media. The only other answer is it’s for partisan loons in the voting population and their egg-sucking apologists. You can decide in which category you belong for yourself.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:16 am

Jay — “Price becomes much more likely to take on Chambliss in the 2014 Republican Senate primary.”

Yeah, I’m not seeing the downside for Georgia and the nation in this. Wouldn’t Price have to resign his House seat to run for Senate? Either way, we lose a conservative d-bag.

Ronald Reagan

November 12th, 2012
9:16 am

Until the Fulton County Liberals can figure out how to rig the voting machines in this whole state, Georgia will continue to vote for the right person & Dr. Price is one of those persons! He is a credit to his community!

dekalbcountyga

November 12th, 2012
9:17 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
9:19 am

Stevie, very childish response from you. Not surprising.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:20 am

BRO

Disagree..I think you made my argument for me..the BOP holds the house, DEMs the senate, Dems the white house…it’s easy to forget that about half the voters didn’t vote for BO…so this sizable advantage you speak of is news to me..

The DEMS did poor job of leading first time around same as GOP….as a result here we are…screwed in the middle..fiscal cliff is result of zero leadership, evidenced boldly in various books and other outlets..

I’m having a hard time phathoming how it is things will be different..this is the exact same BS that occurred between victory and inauguration in 2008..it turned ugly quick and will return ugly when the fiscal cliff is kicked down the road..

Both parties have need to respond to voters for midterm elections…didn’t do much good last time…despite passing of PelosiCare which most of the country didn’t want..good thing our government knows what is best for us..

independent thinker

November 12th, 2012
9:20 am

These losers still take the their marching orders from Grover and Rush. When everyone gets a tax increase because of their intransigence and lack of cooperation, the rednecks in Gawja will wake up to what kind of clowns they elected. Off the cliff sounds like the best alternative to me. Here we go!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:22 am

GA Dawg — “Price is doctor, he knows how healthcare should be run.”

Saying that a physician is the best man to run an HMO or health insurance company is like saying that Mr. Goodwrench is the best man to run General Motors.

Dr. Price

November 12th, 2012
9:23 am

Let’s talk about a more interesting scenario ……Jessie Jr’s re-election in Chicago.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:23 am

R. Reagan — “Until the Fulton County Liberals can figure out how to rig the voting machines in this whole state”

Or until North Fulton splits off. Right now, only Milton “County” is keeping Fulton from turning a deep, rich shade of blue.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:24 am

AQUAGIRL,

I hear you..on the surface it would seem unlikely the GOP have any cohesion…much less than would be necessary to pull off that old ruse I suggest…I just can’t forget this same rhetoric of compromise that had all congress giddy until the DEMS used control for controls sake…expect the GOP to do the same thing is shoe was on other foot..

There exists no incentives to do otherwise…big money and big votes come from the fringes..if they compromise, they lose..all of them

DannyX

November 12th, 2012
9:24 am

Lets go for a ride over the cliff. It’s the only way Republicans will negotiate. Let the Bush tax cuts and the estate tax cuts expire. It’s really very simple.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:25 am

S. Ray — “…despite passing of PelosiCare which most of the country didn’t want.”

Not true, actually.

If you poll on the *provisions* contained within the ACA, they get significant majority support. It’s only when you poll for it as a whole and call it “Obamacare” or “Pelosicare” that it gets negative numbers.

Good job branding, bad job explaining.

fair and balaced.

November 12th, 2012
9:25 am

Love to see Saxby , Johnny and the Repub delegation from Georgia as they go off the cliff. You want austerity you got it but explain to the taxpayers why their taxes went up. Maybe this will be the death rattle for Grover just like the election was the death rattle for Rove and Faux News.

JDW

November 12th, 2012
9:26 am

Price is an utter embarrassment to the state and his profession. Should he win a primary battle vs. Chambliss it is not at all unlikely that he could go the way of Mourdock and Akin. I can’t conceive of him winning a race with Rogers given the recent Republican noseplant. Should that come to pass it is simply more evidence that the Republicans simply can’t learn from failure.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:26 am

DANNYX

I agree with you for sure…Alan Simpson wrote an op-ed making cogent suggestions to avoid this by going back to his groups findings and rolling things out deliberately..I do think riding over the cliff will bring congression approval to historic lows..which is deserving..

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 12th, 2012
9:28 am

the only way to significantly reduce the deficit is to increase tax revenues and decrease spending

Jay’s chances of getting a christmas card from Grover Norquist are slipping away.

alex

November 12th, 2012
9:28 am

Here’s to compromise ….. either there is or there will be a second severe recession, This is not the legacy Obama wants. Let’s hope the far left and right see meaningful compromise and quit strutting their narcissism. Of course that is a LOT to ask. As I recall both candidates were rather vague on what they were willing to compromise, if the house repubs accept the 250,000 celing , what are the entitlements that will be on the table. I am so excited, this presidency shows the possibility of getting beyond race and gender, find the best and put them in place to lead. No more quotas, wow, that’s the ticket!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:29 am

JOE

Who wouldn’t want pre-existing conditions cover and kids to 26? Those provisions were definitely accepted with great interest from all….its the way the bill is structured…in bed with insurers and a big threat to those who have commercial coverage now as these folks know they will have to pay the burden of the loss leading state pools…

Pizzaman

November 12th, 2012
9:30 am

In my opinion Republican legislators who have signed a pledge to grover norquist not to raise taxes are in violation of their Constitutional Oath and can (and probably should be but won’t impeached). Their loyalty is to the Country not a person. “Support and defend the Constitution of the US against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic….” grover norquist is a domestic enemy and if we do fall off that cliff the blame is his.

All rational Americans know we need a comprehensive tax hikes and spending cuts. So Mr & Mrs Tea Party legislator get over it and do your duty to your Country and fix the problem!

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:31 am

Didn’t we , as a country, reject was Boehner and the GOP is proposing in the spirit of “compromise”?

I guess they didnt get the message.

Well, here ya go John, we like our tax deductions, raise taxes on the wealthy.

Signed, the Middle Class

P.S. If you dont get the message now, you will in 2014!

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
9:31 am

it’s easy to forget that about half the voters didn’t vote for BO…so this sizable advantage you speak of is news to me..

Half the voters may not have voted for Obama, but did you not notice the Electoral College numbers? I can’t recall where I saw the breakdown, but there is a noticable trend at work. There’s a period where Dems didn’t cross 250 in the EC count. However, since 1988, I don’t think the GOP has crossed 300 EC votes. The current trend in “toss up” states have Dems gaining based on demographics.

The Dems only have to sit back and let the GOP overplay their hand, which they are very prone to doing. As long as the Dems show themselves to be the “grownups”, they will continue the trend at play.

If I can find the place where I saw the EC breakdown, I’ll post it for you. It even talks about previous “toss up” states, such as California (which was Republican prior to Reagan) as being firmly Democratic states now.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:31 am

JOE

I’ve worked with plenty of physcians..you are correct of course…I’ve never met one who could run a successful business…it’s almost comical how most of them think they can run practices as a group and make horrific decisions..

JDW

November 12th, 2012
9:32 am

“When we’re referring to Chambliss as the adult you know our country is in some deep, deep $#!^”

AMEN, I don’t see how Saxby lives with what he did during his campaign against Cleland.

alex

November 12th, 2012
9:32 am

@ Joe, please read your post”but if you poll as a whole”….Goodness-parsing or what, laughable, really-who cares, it’s done move on

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:32 am

S. Ray — “JOE

Who wouldn’t want pre-existing conditions cover and kids to 26? Those provisions were definitely accepted with great interest from all”

And rightly so. I certainly benefit from them, as do many other Americans.

“….its the way the bill is structured…in bed with insurers and a big threat to those who have commercial coverage now as these folks know they will have to pay the burden of the loss leading state pools…”

Then the GOP *should* have gotten behind single-payer instead of insisting on their ideas being used so generously in the ACA. After all, the individual mandate is a REPUBLICAN idea.

I don’t know why that has to be repeated over and over, but people seem to forget it if it isn’t shoved in their face every hour or two.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 12th, 2012
9:32 am

I guess they didnt get the message.

Hard for messages to get through the bubble walls. Those walls are thick.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
9:33 am

“In today’s AJC, Politifact rulled Chambliss’ statement that revenues are at historic lows, at least post WWII, as “mostly true”. Why then are revenues not the MAIN focus in proportion to cuts instead of visa versa??”

The problem with this thinking is that while revenues may be steady as a % of GDP, they’re being paid by an ever shrinking portion of Americans and the “tax the rich” mantra you can see all over this thread will further shrink that percentage. I realize you liberals want to punish successful people for having money, but it’s not going to work. Unintended consequences are going to continue screwing the lower classes as business owners look for ways to stay in business by automation or sending jobs to low wage producers.

If you aren’t smart enough to believe every last business owner isn’t meeting behind closed doors to figure out how to minimize the effect of the ACA on their bottom line REGARDLESS OF THE EFFECT ON EMPLOYEES, you should stop posting here and start paying attention. This job shedding is just beginning and massive inflation is right around the corner. You voted for it, so when it happens, don’t whine about it.

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:33 am

reject was Boehner

That shoud read ” reject what Boehner and the GOP were proposing.

Its Monday …………

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:33 am

BRO

C’mon, we both know that I’m very familiar with EC….too bad for DEMS sake it doesn’t apply to congressional elections…sometimes you are the bug, and sometimes you are the windshield…we as taxpayers are always the bug..

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
9:34 am

big money and big votes come from the fringes..if they compromise, they lose..all of them

I disagree, you ellipsis overusing cheese eating surrender monkey. :)

The big money comes from business, which usually backs compromise. Extremist partisans may be darlings of fringe voters but they usually are completely ineffective and are removed after a couple of terms. Allen West and Cynthia McKinney are two notable examples from opposite sides of the spectrum.

Price is taking a hardcore no-prisoners approach and he’s apparently not considered a fringe loon by significant numbers of his own Republican colleagues. This does not bode well for the GOP in the long run. It’s also testament the Goopers have run off the righty cliff.

saywhat?

November 12th, 2012
9:35 am

Brosephus ” The only reason the GOP still has control of the House is because of the 2010 election. He who has control of the states in most cases gets to draw the house district lines. The GOP will likely control the house through the entire decade because of partisaned districting. It has little to do with their message or them having any kind of “mandate”.”
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In fact, the Democrats in Congress received more votes combined than the Republicans in Congress. It just goes to show how effectively districts have been gerrymandered.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:35 am

S. Ray — “JOE, I’ve worked with plenty of physcians..you are correct of course…I’ve never met one who could run a successful business…it’s almost comical how most of them think they can run practices as a group and make horrific decisions..:”

And when you ask them questions about coverage or administrative procedures, they immediately get a case of the stoopids. I needed a Letter of Medical Necessity from my GP for some consumable medical supplies that I routinely use, and he was totally baffled by how to do it. I practically had to write the thing myself and put it in front of him to sign before I could get it.

Without the letter or a prescription, I wouldn’t be able to claim the supplies on my flex spending account.

Ben Shockley

November 12th, 2012
9:36 am

Saxby Chambliss is eyeballs-deep in farm subsidies, which I consider a scandal. The AJC actually did a very thorough series a few years ago exposing it. He’s a scumbag, and I hope the Tea Party can find a candidate to defeat him in the Republican primary.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:36 am

JOE

Couldn’t agree more about single payer…make no mistake, both the DEMS and GOP benefit equally from hospital operators and especially insurers cash donations..

The latter would take massive job cuts…will affect voting districts…kinda the reason we won’t get meaningful IRS reform…the tax lawyers who are likely supported by there brethren in other legal fields, have too much influence..

JohnnyReb

November 12th, 2012
9:37 am

Let’s see – the Dems cover millions of uninsured with Obamacare, BTW without one Republican vote, while not passing a budget in four years but borrowing a Trillion a year. Now, Repubs should compromise by raising taxes on the rich. Never mind the “rich” are small business owners who provide jobs. And, that the taxes raised from the rich will be a drop in the bucket of what is needed. Yep, that’s the popular answer, the cure-all, the Obama way.

What’s most amazing from the election is how many stupid voters we have.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:38 am

alex — “@ Joe, please read your post”but if you poll as a whole”….Goodness-parsing or what,”

Yes, it is. The claim that ‘the majority is against the ACA is definitely parsing.

“laughable, really-who cares, it’s done move on”

There’s no need for you to be a Richard. Besides, if you don’t care to read what I have to say, a scrollbar is conveniently available for your use. Give it a try and see what you think.

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:38 am

This job shedding is just beginning and massive inflation is right around the corner. You voted for it, so when it happens, don’t whine about it.

Funny, i saw on 60 minutes last night where employers were having trouble finding employees , over 3 million jobs are going unfulfilled because of the skills gap.

There wasnt any mention of the ACA at all. If it was hurting businesses so bad, wouldn’t these businesses just leave those jobs unfilled and blame it on ACA instead of the skills gap?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:39 am

RB — “I realize you liberals want to punish successful people for having money”

Delusional troll is delusional. (laughing) :D

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
9:40 am

side topic:

To all the veterans; Thank you.

Happy Veterans Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CFB Fan

November 12th, 2012
9:41 am

Jay, let me get this straight, taxes go up by $400B and spending goes down by $200B, resulting in a $600B reduction in the deficit. How is that a bad thing?

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:42 am

Speaking of the skills gap, the show also highlighted what some states are doing to close the skills gap, which is mostly in manufacturing.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:42 am

PIZZAMAN

The no new taxes pledge suggest to me that GOP is representing its base which is their obligation…hopefully the controlling tea party et al will fall by the wayside to a degree that benefits all..

I resemble more of a q-tip than any member of the animal kingdom..and I haven’t surrendered anything…and I doubt, despite any suggestion of 2000 page BS bills, either party will unless these monkeys of which you speak fly out of my butt…

I do love me some cheese though

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
9:43 am

Stevie Ray

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-gops-electoral-map-problem/2012/11/11/35ec162e-2c20-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

In the past six presidential elections, including 2012, the Democratic nominee has averaged 327 electoral votes while the Republican nominee has averaged just 210. (A candidate needs 270, a simple majority of the total of 538 electoral votes, to be elected.)

During those two-plus decades dating back to 1992, the most — repeat most — electoral votes a Republican presidential candidate has won is 286, when George W. Bush claimed a second term in 2004. In that same time frame, Democratic nominees have received more than 300 electoral votes four times: Barack Obama in 2008 (365) and 2012 (332) and Bill Clinton in 1992 (370) and 1996 (379). The lowest total for a Democratic nominee during that period was Sen. John Kerry’s 251 electoral votes in 2004; Republicans’ floor during that same period was 159 electoral votes in 1996.

That Democratic electoral-vote dominance is the mirror image of the huge edge Republicans enjoyed in the six elections prior to 1992. From 1968 to 1988, Republican presidential nominees averaged a whopping 417 electoral votes per election while Democrats managed just 113. The most electoral votes a Democratic nominee won was 297, when Jimmy Carter claimed the presidency in 1976. Ronald Reagan, in beating Carter four years later, rolled up 489 electoral votes — and followed that up with a 525-electoral-vote victory in 1984. From 1968 to 1988, Democrats never broke 300 electoral votes, while Republicans broke that barrier five times: 1968 (301), 1972 (530), 1980 (489), 1984 (525) and 1988 (426).

That’s only for the presidential election. If the GOP continues it’s piss poor inclusion of minorities, the demographics will begin to bite them in the ass in Senate elections. Come 2020, if they haven’t made inroads, then the House will begin to suffer because of redistricting. The 2010 GOP sweeps on the state level is the primary reason why the GOP has the House majority now. Without the creation of more GOP friendly districts, they would likely have a very slim majority, if they had it.

That’s why I say it’s more important for the GOP to compromise for the good of the people. The Dems already have an advantage based on demographics, so they only need to sit back and watch the GOP doom themselves. The numbers are all there for anybody to see.

Jay

November 12th, 2012
9:44 am

I didn’t realize until this morning that Mia Love, the black, Mormon mayor from Utah featured prominently in the GOP convention and championed by Romney, Cantor, Boehner and others, lost her congressional race in a district drawn to be Republican.

alex

November 12th, 2012
9:46 am

@Stevei Ray, if you think that is comical, you will be laughing youa azz off, when your M.D. is run like the Ga. DMV or Fulton Co. Voting Commision or the Airport concessions Commitee. HAR, HAR. I’ve got an appt. with my conceraige doc…..

@ brocephus, the repubs have no hand to overplay really and both parties will have to worry about it……

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:46 am

HEADLINE: Grover Norquist says that the reason the President won the election is because he called Romney a ” poopy head”.

Will someone give poor Grover his medication, he hasnt taken it since Tuesday.

TaxPayer

November 12th, 2012
9:46 am

I look forward to seeing Price and Chambliss going after each other. It should be entertaining. I especially look forward to any head-to-head confrontations between the two. Price will make some typical remark about Chambliss and his willingness to compromise and then Chambliss will beechslap Tom and Tom will whine with his usual “I Object.” The drama…

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
9:47 am

“Who wouldn’t want pre-existing conditions cover and kids to 26? Those provisions were definitely accepted with great interest from all….its the way the bill is structured…in bed with insurers and a big threat to those who have commercial coverage now as these folks know they will have to pay the burden of the loss leading state pools…”
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Two comments: “in bed with insurers.” Single payer, or do you have another idea?

“and a big threat to those who have commercial coverage now as these folks know they will have to pay the burden of the loss leading state pools…”

Of course, our hospitals won’t have to deal with the huge currently-uninsured population getting their health care via emergency rooms – won’t there be some off-setting savings there?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:47 am

Johnny Reb

I’m not sure those stupid voters aren’t actually much more practical than us….as in the past, I think the 30% of total voters identifying themselves as independent may feel the same way many of us do..the system is corrupt so it just doesn’t matter..

alex

November 12th, 2012
9:48 am

but your so much fun……

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:48 am

I didn’t realize until this morning that Mia Love, the black, Mormon mayor from Utah featured prominently in the GOP convention and championed by Romney, Cantor, Boehner and others, lost her congressional race in a district drawn to be Republican.

Oooops…………. And in a state that went 73% for Romney too.

larry

November 12th, 2012
9:50 am

Of course, our hospitals won’t have to deal with the huge currently-uninsured population getting their health care via emergency rooms – won’t there be some off-setting savings there?

Yes, because emergency rooms cost a lot more than a visit to the doctor.

That is where a lot of the cost-savings come from.

BRW

November 12th, 2012
9:50 am

Adam, You must give credit to Carville if your going to quote him.

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
9:51 am

Jay

The GOP lost a few house races that they were supposed to win.

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alex: the repubs have no hand to overplay really and both parties will have to worry about it……

That still won’t stop them from doing something stupid. You do realize that most, who ran for re-election, won their races, right? That means you have the very people with the mental midgetry to fall victim to the sequester still up there making decisions. I honestly expect both parties to royally screw up, and I will be completely suprised if they don’t.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
9:52 am

alex — “but your so much fun……”

I prefer that my post-opponents be more conversant with proper English usage, spelling and punctuation. I’m afraid you’ll have to sharpen up your game or else stay in the lower division.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
9:52 am

larry, “Funny, i saw on 60 minutes last night where employers were having trouble finding employees , over 3 million jobs are going unfulfilled because of the skills gap. ”

The “skills gap” part of that comment is the key. People with job skills are staying put, so companies with skilled jobs open are bringing people in from other countries to fill them or moving the jobs there. It’s the “unskilled” who are getting screwed (or screwing themselves). If ya’ll don’t think McDonald’s is going to raise their prices to cover the increased healtcare costs/fines, you aren’t paying attention. And so will Kohl’s, Target, and every other place you go to buy ANYTHING.

Joe, go waste somebody else’s time with your trivial garbage posts. You’re schtick has grown stale.

DebbieDoRight - I am Woman...........FEAR ME!!!!

November 12th, 2012
9:52 am

Indigo: If Price is that conservative, Republicans may see the light and not replace Boehner with him since that kind of mentality is what lost the Presidential election.

Republicans? Seeing the light? HA!

Bro: Dude, all they need to do is sit back. The GOP will screw themselves. They’ve been doing it for years now to the point where they’re almost on autopilot.

Amen. Sorta like “Bama” huh? :lol:

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
9:52 am

BRO

They are supposed to compromise but the incentives, in terms of big money and big voting blocks are stacked against it..that’s my point…

I hope that changes..i vote for Simpson Bowles..

He knows all

November 12th, 2012
9:53 am

Tom Price is not the answer. More conservative, more anti-immigrant, more anti-compormise is not the answer. Price has not shown he knows anything about anything, let alone how to run healthcare. He is a knee-jerk uberconservative nut job. Chambliss has never impressed me, but he looks like Reagan compared to the small-minded Price.
It is time to look out for the good of all of the country and all of its citizens. The me-first, only if we like it, only if it benefits us atmosphere has to dissipate. Let’s make things better. Our reps, TP included, need to do better. Fighting Obamacare at every turn is already proven a failed strategy. If that’s the best he’s got, time to come back to GA. We deserve better than that.

Georgia

November 12th, 2012
9:53 am

Why is this topic about Chambliss and Price being discussed? They’re both GOP. Boehner is merely posturing for posterity. There will be no compromise. To assume otherwise, and give these gerrymandered, entrenched leeches the benefit of even a shadow of doubt is Charlie Browning worse than even Lucy can believe. Lucy doesn’t even hold the football anymore, she merely pretends to kneel and take the hike, and Bookman kicks at it.

And Cathy Rodgers wants the Chairmanship of the HRC? Isn’t that special. She hasn’t a chinaman’s chance. Why bring her up? Is Cathy Rodgers indicated in the Patraeus scandal? Is she the one who sent threatening tweets that leaked classified secrets to the terrorists? Where does logic come into all of this, or is this Bookman piece just a “gee, I thought I’d cleanse the palette after the Falcon Fiasco in New Orleans”?

Give me a break. Compromise this, America. (insert emoticon of a guy grabbing his crotch).

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
9:53 am

… getting beyond race and gender…

Nope, not for you.

Maybe your grandchildren.

What’s most amazing from the election is how many stupid voters we have.

My unsolicited advice?

Take a good long look in the mirror and your vast overestimation of your intelligence and character.

(I tried to warn you cons that it was going to be a beatdown…)

willydoit?

November 12th, 2012
9:54 am

“taxes are set to jump by $400 billion at the start of the year”

As long as these taxes are paid by the folks that make over $250K per, “who cares, right?”

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Amen. Sorta like “Bama” huh?

Hey, what can we say? I’m glad they didn’t lose 2 of their past 3 games. :)

DebbieDoRight - Math has a very strong anti-conservative bias

November 12th, 2012
9:56 am

RB: If ya’ll don’t think McDonald’s is going to raise their prices to cover the increased healtcare costs/fines, you aren’t paying attention. And so will Kohl’s, Target, and every other place you go to buy ANYTHING.

They raise their rates regardless. Gas went up – they raised their rates. Gas went back down — theirs DIDN’T. That’s just how it goes.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
9:58 am

To assume otherwise, and give these gerrymandered, entrenched leeches the benefit of even a shadow of doubt is Charlie Browning worse than even Lucy can believe.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think that has to be the first time I’ve heard “Charlie Browning” used as an action.

BRW

November 12th, 2012
10:00 am

RB, You truely know stale when you see it. You invented stale.
If you think for one silly moment that “competent” small business owners are spending their time thinking of ways to circumvent the ACA instead of making another buck, you are a sad little man.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:00 am

Oooops…………. And in a state that went 73% for Romney too.

Throw in Missouri and Indiana and you’ll start getting a picture of the widespread defeats for the right wing extremists/Tea Partiers.

It ain’t just us Hebes and other minorities that are sick and tired of America’s quasi-fascists!

Just Say No…. to pro-war, pro-”corporations are people, my friend”, anti-working class politics and the anti-environmental extremists.

DebbieDoRight - Math has a very strong anti-conservative bias

November 12th, 2012
10:00 am

Hey, what can we say? I’m glad they didn’t lose 2 of their past 3 games

Whatevah…… :roll:

Bama’s loss has made those delusional dawgs fans think they have a shot at a National Title. SEE what you’re loosing team has done? They’ve crated a (frightening unrealistic, lacking in common sense), monster!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
10:01 am

LARRY et al

The cost savings will NEVER materialize…we shouldn’t be so naive to expect that..the incentives are stacked against that as the hospitals and insurers will continue to win..especially the Kaisers of the world..

The savings we may see in reduced ER visits may materialize to an extent, but the influx of high demand and anomalous new users with offset that in a major way due to the cost of pre-existing conditions coverage…I’m not suggesting pre-existing cover is bad, just that we (actuaries like me) see a massive understatement of the accounting of the number of new insureds that have pre-exising conditions that will cost geometrically more than the premium the system can obtain..

REGNAD

Great point but it may prove to be the lesser of two evils….I don’t think the government does anything particularly well except write checks….at least the cost in terms of tax increases to pay for single payer will be transparent….at least moreso than the current BS bedfellows..

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
10:02 am

Not a lot of time and effort has been applied to the jobs problem in
the US. It has mostly been bickering like this choice between the lesser
of two stupids over taxes. Without jobs the argument over cutting taxes
and entitlements or increasing taxes and entitlements is meaningless.

Citizen of the World

November 12th, 2012
10:03 am

Thanks to GOP behavior over the past four years, more Americans than ever before now know the meaning of the word “intransigence.” The right’s stubborn refusal to cooperate cost the party big time in the last election — and may have cost it further, but for gerrymandering and the fact that only about 1/3 of senators were up for reelection. Those left standing may want to give a little ground and show a willingness to compromise going forward.

larry

November 12th, 2012
10:03 am

People with job skills are staying put, so companies with skilled jobs open are bringing people in from other countries to fill them or moving the jobs there

Actually , they aren’t . The states did set up a program where unemployed people train for jobs , mostly in the manufacturing industry. The people from the program fill the jobs that the companies have and these companies are expanding. If you would have watched 60 minutes , you would have seen the report.

Actually, i’ll do you the favor. Here’s the report………

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50134943n&tag=pop;videos

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
10:03 am

Debbie, “They raise their rates regardless. Gas went up – they raised their rates. Gas went back down — theirs DIDN’T. That’s just how it goes.”

Part of the reason, Debbie, is diesel fuel has not gone back down. It’s still over $4/gal in most places. If you’re looking at gasoline prices and making comments like the one you made above, YOU AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION. Trucks that move goods don’t run on gasoline.

Pay attention, Debbie.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
10:04 am

Throw in Missouri and Indiana and you’ll start getting a picture of the widespread defeats for the right wing extremists/Tea Partiers.

Psst. Jammie. Did you see the chart Nate assembled, listing states by gap in the presidential votes cast?

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/as-nation-and-parties-change-republicans-are-at-an-electoral-college-disadvantage/

Frankly, I was shocked to see who came in at Red #2. Wasn’t Indiana. Wasn’t Missouri.

and I know there are a bunch of factors that could toss these rankings ’round next time, but still…

/drive-by

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
10:05 am

BRO/DDR

I’m a UGA alum…we will by no means play for a title..my biggest hope is that we get a date to play an undefeated, amazingly over-rated, Notre Dame team….us, BAMA, SC, Florida, LSU…would all likely embarass the NBC homers…

Gotta admit….that Johnny Football dude is one of the biggest impact players in the history of freshman impact players…since he likely is not pro quarterback material, A&M should enjoy much success for the next 4 years…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:05 am

RB — “If ya’ll don’t think McDonald’s is going to raise their prices to cover the increased healtcare costs/fines, you aren’t paying attention. And so will Kohl’s, Target, and every other place you go to buy ANYTHING.”

Should have gotten behind Single Payer, RB. That was the Democratic idea from the get-go. It’s the REPUBLICAN Individual Mandate that’s screwing everyone, but you can’t find a single con who will admit it.

“Joe, go waste somebody else’s time with your trivial garbage posts. You’re schtick has grown stale.”

If you ever smarten up enough to listen, RB, you’ll learn something. I don’t hold out much hope of that happening for you, though.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
10:07 am

BRO/DDR

Actually, I’d like to see ND play A&M in addition to aforementioned….

DebbieDoRight - Math has a very strong anti-conservative bias

November 12th, 2012
10:07 am

Jam: Just Say No…. to pro-war, pro-”corporations are people, my friend”, anti-working class politics and the anti-environmental extremists.

Was watching “The Men Who Built America” on the tube last night, (History Channel) and they were doing a spotlight on Carnegie, JP Morgan, Vanderbilt, and Rockefeller and it was amazing how the poor worker conditions and the vast discrepancy between the rich and poor in turn of the century America (before Roosevelt and Anti-Trust Laws); have now resurrected its ugly head.

Its like the more things change the more they stay the same:

Anti-Union sentiments (pushed by the owners)
Working employees like mules (long hours, less pay, NO benefits)
No regulation
Money rules all
the ones on the top don’t care about hte ones on the bottom

What’s so scary about this scenario is that we were a mere 3m votes away from returning to this state all in the name of taking our country “Back”.

Thank you EVERYONE who voted to NOT return to the 19th Century!!

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:08 am

Over the last few years there has been much GOP-foisted malarkey about the extreme left wing elements taking over the Democratic Party.

Nonsense.(BTW, I’ve read several articles about how Fox News and hate radio has worked very much against GOP interests.)

Republicans simply underestimated liberals, moderates, greens and independents. Not to mention women and all of America’s minorities.

Together we are a formidable counterweight to right wing extremism.

Get with the program and move back toward the reasoned and reasonable center.

Or suffer more of the same consequences…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
10:09 am

Well, the ACA is bound to get Thelma Doom a new Speedo, since he’ll be selling all these new policies. Just thought I’d throw that one out there in case there’s anybody here that needs to upchuck a breakfast.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:09 am

RB — “Trucks that move goods don’t run on gasoline.”

That’s right. (snicker) :D

http://pressroom.ups.com/Image/UPS+LNG+Tractor+being+refueled?srch_pos=3&srch_phr=LNG

“Pay attention, Debbie.”

Catch up to the rest of the class, RB. :D

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:09 am

DDR

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sanity and reality will return at the SEC Championship game. Kinda effed up to know that Lane Kifflin is the key to the SEC getting back into the BCS Title Game though.

Dunwoody Granny

November 12th, 2012
10:10 am

Price is an incredible jackass and I wish to God he wasn’t my representative.

Unfortunately, I’m not one of his voters and I’m sure he knows it, so I can’t very well threaten to take my vote away if he doesn’t behave himself.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
10:11 am

BRW, “If you think for one silly moment that “competent” small business owners are spending their time thinking of ways to circumvent the ACA instead of making another buck, you are a sad little man.”

And if you haven’t figured out yet the “fines” these businesses are required to pay will affect their ability to make another buck, you aren’t paying attention. Seriously, BRW, that is one of the dumbest posts we’ll see all day. If you can’t figure out the basic math a business owner is facing, do everybody a favor and stay out of the debate.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 12th, 2012
10:11 am

“More conservative, more anti-immigrant, more anti-compormise is not the answer”

seriously. the people have spoken pretty decisively about that.

alex

November 12th, 2012
10:12 am

@jamvet, why can’t we get beyond race and gender issues ? Me. I’m beyond them, what about you?..”hebes”-ugly, ugly shame, shame, Quasi-fascists……Too much

@ joe, you prefer confirmation of your bias, you are not able to converse, you try to tell and overide opposition wiht anger and obstruction…hmmm but FUN..

@citizen: agree , looks like the left is coopting this lavk of cooperation, I surely hope both sides think country first, like the VETS did..

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:12 am

As far as those greedy minimum wage McDonald’s workers?

They make less money now – in adjusted inflation dollars – then they did in 1968!!!

Republicans, wake up!!!

Your entire fiscal model is dead wrong!!

Quit advocating for the super-wealthy and their imaginary trickle down. Quit advocating for more and more and more power and wealth being concentrated into fewer and fewer and fewer American hands.

Start advocating for working class Americans. Like yourselves and your children!

There used to be two strong voices that did this and they have both been emasculated by the GOP (primarily)-friendly “monied interests”.

Can you Republicans name them?

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
10:14 am

“The problem with this thinking is that while revenues may be steady as a % of GDP, they’re being paid by an ever shrinking portion of Americans”

Do you have a link to this, RB? Is this fact?

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
10:15 am

Joe, “It’s the REPUBLICAN Individual Mandate that’s screwing everyone, but you can’t find a single con who will admit it.”

Seriously Joe???? You’re blaming the healthcare plan not a single republican voted for and was shoved through congress using “special” rules on Republicans??? Oh my God!!! How big an idiot do you have to be to even make that comment, Joe?!! Wow!! Talk about somebody not paying attention…. Geez…

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
10:16 am

The picture of Price could easily be the face of Georgia. Wimpy, scared
little men with their hands on the reins of power and unwilling to
concede anything to the opposition to move the country forward. Nothing
has changed except the names.

DebbieDoRight - Math has a very strong anti-conservative bias

November 12th, 2012
10:16 am

Not a lot of time and effort has been applied to the jobs problem in
the US. It has mostly been bickering like this choice between the lesser
of two stupids over taxes. Without jobs the argument over cutting taxes
and entitlements or increasing taxes and entitlements is meaningless.

Good anaysis Frog
=====================

RB — Didn’t you vote for Romney? Then, seriously RB, what the heck do YOU know? Duh! (just kidding :lol: )

=========================
Stevie — You’re right, ND is WAY over rated! They really didn’t beat anyone, (besides Nebraska – on a bad day; cause the majority of their team is hurt).

Also, my condolences on your being a Dawgs fan. I’ll light a candle for you tonight. (kidding, kidding!!!!! :lol: )

BRW

November 12th, 2012
10:17 am

RB, No debate son when you constantly spout the same incorrect crap.
Costs to do business goes up. Smart business owners double their efforts to bridge that gap. One way is to increase the work force.
By the way, having you call my post dumb is quite a badge of honor for me. Keep it up. I know I’m striking a nerve buddy.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:17 am

If I can still read right, Alabama is still number one in the BCS poll. Where they should be. Computers are never wrong. But it will force me to pull for them to beat Georgia. Cognitive dissonance.

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
10:17 am

Should have gotten behind Single Payer, RB. That was the Democratic idea from the get-go.

RB likes his cheap hamburgers. McDonald’s depends on government healthcare for its workers—you think the woman who hands you that burger has McDonald’s insurance for her kids? So Mickey D’s gets cheap labor, courtesy of the taxpayers. RB gets his cheap hamburger.

The RB’s of the world are the ones who never question who builds their McMansions, makes their McBurgers, or picks their McLettuce. They just want the cheapest product available and if employers cut corners or use government programs to enhance their bottom line they’ll still line up for the cheapest crap they can find. And they’ll complain while standing in line about the parasites taking money from their precious wallet.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Me. I’m beyond them…

Of course you are.

And yet given a chance to bash blacks as lazy, “on the Democratic plantation” and in the gimme/handout/47% crowd you will do what?

I was actually a bit surprised that Mitt earned 6% of the African-American vote in this country last Tuesday.

A nod to him as severely non-conservative candidate!

A dysfunctional GOP is NOT good for this nation.

The Dems stink on ice.

Their only saving grace is that the GOP is degrees of magnitude worse.

A vital, empowered, informed and engaged citizenry is the “answer”.

Time to…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ehc6GJ3R7M

GT

November 12th, 2012
10:19 am

The Georgia numbers in the election were very surprisingly balanced. We are the second least red state behind North Carolina. There is a political reality that may play out here not seen in previous discussion. I see a slip up here leaving the door open for a Democratic senator like Roy Barnes or Reed to slip in. This state is not air tight right anymore and the adults are winning.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:20 am

Back to politics. The race goes on. Guess it won’t ever end.
Fastest way to recover is to go over the fiscal cliff. Does not mean it is the best way. It would cause a lot more pain to a lot of peoople. Suicide rate would go up for a while as would the homeless rate and unemployment. But it’s quicker.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
10:21 am

With the election finally behind us, President Obama and Congress will now try to set partisanship aside and cut a major deal on taxes, spending and entitlements.

Why would we want to do that when ‘partisanship’ is the very reason there is still an impasse on taxes and spending? (Hint: the Republicans will not ever, ever allow the tax RATE, as opposed to ‘revenues’, go up without a bloodying fight to the death. EVERYTHING hinges on that for them.)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:22 am

alex — “@ joe, you prefer confirmation of your bias”

No, I prefer informed and articulate opposition, not automatic gainsaying and denial. You offer nothing better,

“you are not able to converse”

I’m quite able to converse, but again, it takes someone articulate and informed (even if they disagree with me). to accomplish that.

“you try to tell and overide opposition wiht anger and obstruction…”

(laughing, pointing) :D

I laugh and point at other posters more than anyone else on here, and you’re going to tell me I’m *angry?*

Feh! It is to laugh! (giggling) :D

“hmmm but FUN..”

If you have a pertinent point to make, then make it like an adult. If, OTOH, you’re going to rudely demand that others “move on,” then kindly take a hike yourself.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:23 am

GT

November 12th, 2012
10:19 am

_______

As Georgia becomes more urban and less rural, we will move toward the center and out of the right wing wilderness. Will take a few more years. Still too many folks that believe all government programs enacted since 1932 should be dismantled – plus the right of women to vote and child labor laws.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:24 am

RB — “Seriously Joe???? You’re blaming the healthcare plan not a single republican voted for and was shoved through congress using “special” rules on Republicans???”

Yes. The Republican Individual Mandate. It was y’all’s idea, believe it or not.

“Oh my God!!! How big an idiot do you have to be to even make that comment, Joe?!!”

No idiot at all, RB. Just better informed than you.

“Wow!! Talk about somebody not paying attention…. Geez…”

I know! I’m absolutely AMAZED that you didn’t already know it!

So when will YOU start paying attention, RB? Every day we discover more and more facts that you seem to be totally ignorant of.

Citizen of the World

November 12th, 2012
10:25 am

Yes, JamVet, I think the right was starting to suspect that they’d created a monster with the views cultivated by Fox News and talk radio back when McCain lost and then the Tea Party won. But it was their monster, so they had to feed it during the primaries as the more moderate looked on. I for one will never vote for a politician who talks fiscal conservancy if he or she at the same time exhibits willful ignorance and intolerance to feed the monster (and court the votes) of anti-intellectualism, bigotry and fear.

DebbieDoRight - Math has a very strong anti-conservative bias

November 12th, 2012
10:25 am

Kinda effed up to know that Lane Kifflin is the key to the SEC getting back into the BCS Title Game though.

Bro — you’d better not say the “L K” name anywhere NEAR a Tennessee fan. Everytime THAT name is spoken in public, they curse, spit, and punch the person who said it. And not necessarily in that order either.
=========================
Jam: Start advocating for working class Americans. Like yourselves and your children!

that’s whats so crazy about their whole “trickle down” argument!! Trickle down has been more or less the defacto standard of government everytime a conned is in office — so far NOTHING has “trickled down” except more taxes from the wealth TO the middle class.

History has shown us that when America had a strong, vibrant, EMPLOYED middle class THAT’s when they prospered. NOT when they had the vast majority of wealth in a few hands.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:26 am

Aquagirl — “The RB’s of the world are the ones who never question who builds their McMansions, makes their McBurgers, or picks their McLettuce. They just want the cheapest product available and if employers cut corners or use government programs to enhance their bottom line they’ll still line up for the cheapest crap they can find. And they’ll complain while standing in line about the parasites taking money from their precious wallet.”

I bet RB shops at Wal-Mart and gripes because the service is so spitty there.

2% in dekalbcountyga

November 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Obama is talking about the top 2%, not just the top 1%. Count me in.

Anyways, let’s go off the cliff. Obama has issued a standing invitation for a bill to keep the tax cuts for the 98%.

They can send it to him whenever they get around to it.

jj

November 12th, 2012
10:28 am

Interesting that so many people think just Washington is disfunctional. Yes the D’s won fair and square, but the popular vote was only about 1% different. This country is deeply divided well outside the beltway.
Is it time to bring up term limits again……..throw them all out and start over.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
10:29 am

while I appreciate the time Jay spent to write the synopsis to this particular soap opera,
I will admit to having a very difficult time caring about the characters.

You don’t understand, these are VIP’s (very important politicians) without their highly specialized skills, this country might fall off the cliff…….

alex

November 12th, 2012
10:29 am

@ debbie, no show on TV can do justice to the “gilded age”, Plenty of books on the subject, be careful with bias. The Chernow tome about Rockerfeller (sp?) is great reading. Then again read the “jungle” for a heart rendering view of Chicago meat packing industry. Clearly when this country has such a economic distinction between the very rich and the very poor there is too great a chance of a “rush to the barricade”. Clearly there is danger of over -demonization of wealth and removing the enteprenurial spirit from capatalism. That said when is too much actually too much….

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
10:29 am

By the way, on Chambliss:

“Chambliss is a conservative Republican, but on fiscal issues he has been more willing than many of his GOP colleagues to consider compromise with Democrats. Much as he dislikes higher taxes, he seems to fear soaring debt even more”

It’s perhaps about the fact that Chambliss recognizes a near perfect deal when he sees one; that is, he realizes the Democrats do not disagree with the GOP one iota on this stuff in principle, but over minor questions of implementation emphasis, tactics, and degree. He knows the Dems are on-board with the GOP austerity agenda but are simply not ‘wedded’ (to use Obama’s word) to the absolutism of the Norquist-dominated GOP over marginal RATES per se the way the GOP is, and that’s why they look at the numbers pragmatically and realize that the rates HAVE to go up to avoid blowing up the deficit. The GOP, being the more political beings they are, understand that there is prime ideological significance to the question of allowing the RATES to go up. They are committed to shrinking the government, not reducing the deficit per se the way the Democrats are. Everything turns on this seemingly piffling detail.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:30 am

And today’s dose of Herp de Derp:

With the election over, supporters of Mitt Romney have to pack up their campaign signs and paraphernalia and get on with their lives.

But what if you can’t get rid of that stuff? Literally.

Eric Hartsburg caught some attention in the weeks leading up to the election for having the Romney campaign’s logo tattooed on his face.

Suffice to say, he’s not happy with Tuesday’s results.

No kidding! :D

Read the whole thing (and see a photo of Dude’s face tat): http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83689.html#ixzz2C1SxypG6

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:30 am

Checked the polls. It’s been corrected. Bama is not number one. Go Texas, USC, Stanford and Oregon State.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 12th, 2012
10:31 am

“Should have gotten behind Single Payer, RB. That was the Democratic idea from the get-go.”

word.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:32 am

IF both teams run their remaining tables, there is some talk that ND and NU will meet in the Rose Bowl.

Nebraska leads the all time series 8–7–1. (Including beating the legendary Four Horsemen twice! Their only two losses during their “reign”!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_%28American_football%29

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Remember when the Bush tax cuts were passed with a built in expiration date of 2010? Obama’s lack of leadership on this issue, and his willingness to lower taxes even more, has gotten us into this $1B+ a year deficit mess. He needs to grow a pair and submit a budget in line with his own bi-partisan committee recommendations.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
10:33 am

Joe, That’s right. (snicker)

http://pressroom.ups.com/Image/UPS+LNG+Tractor+being+refueled?srch_pos=3&srch_phr=LNG

“Pay attention, Debbie.”

Catch up to the rest of the class, RB. ”

Seriously, Joe?? What percent of the US truck fleet moving goods runs on LP/CNG? Go pass your BS garbage off on somebody else, Joe. The rest of us are working on the realities of today and not some fantasy world you live in.

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
10:33 am

As masochistic as it might seem, a small part of me hopes the tax cuts disappear and the government spending gets cut. . . reminds me of people, in an argument, are more concerned with being right rather than being happy.

It will be interesting in the next few weeks to see what both sides are willing to do to get this thing done.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:33 am

History has shown us that when America had a strong, vibrant, EMPLOYED middle class THAT’s when they prospered. NOT when they had the vast majority of wealth in a few hands.

_____

You get an A for today. That’s not just in the US, it’s everywhere. What we need is income redistribution. With all the wealth in the top one per cent all we will be is a second or third class country.
Top tax rate should go back to 91 per cent where it was in the fifties. Those were Happy Days and the economy was growing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:34 am

Eric Hartsburg caught some attention in the weeks leading up to the election for having the Romney campaign’s logo tattooed on his face.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe he can get a job at Reebok or Russel Athletics.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:35 am

Hartsburg, 30, lives in Indiana and says he’s gotten plenty of flak from neighbors (about the tattoo) since Romney went down in defeat.

What do you expect? The rube is a professional wrassler! (grin)

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:35 am

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
10:32 am

____

Ehy waste time and effort submitting a budget that wil be dead on arrival. Pointless thing to do.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:36 am

Stevie Ray

Georgia may get denied a BCS game, but they’ll have a good shot at playing on New Year’s Day. The SEC has 6 of the top 10 spots in the BCS poll, and I don’t think there are too many more games where those teams have to play each other.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
10:36 am

Let’s talk about a more interesting scenario ……Jessie Jr’s re-election in Chicago

Just Hush…..this is still a taboo topic….
(never mind his re-election, he’ll be allowed to resign for “health” reasons, b4 going to the Big House)

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:37 am

As masochistic as it might seem, a small part of me hopes the tax cuts disappear and the government spending gets cut. .

_____

Does a small part of you also want to jump off a cliff of off a building. That part of you should be ignored, which is what I hope you do.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Joe, “I bet RB shops at Wal-Mart and gripes because the service is so spitty there.”

Yea, Joe, cause everybody knows only wealthy republicans are shopping at WalMart and all those low income democrats are spending their limited incomes at places who certify their goods were produced by American workers who were paid a “fair wage” for doing it.

Idiot.

Joe, you’re really shoveling the BS this morning, dude. Geez.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:38 am

If I can still read right, Alabama is still number one in the BCS poll.

#4

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:39 am

Georgia may get denied a BCS game, but they’ll have a good shot at playing on New Year’s Day. ____________

Could be. But what happens to Bama if they should lose to Georgia.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:39 am

RB — “Seriously, Joe?? What percent of the US truck fleet moving goods runs on LP/CNG?”

Why don’t *you* tell us, RB? (giggling) :D

After all, you’re claiming to be the resident expert on everything and lecturing everyone else about it. Then again, when it’s that easy to find things that disagree with you, perhaps you’re just not as well-informed as you think you are. :D

“Go pass your BS garbage off on somebody else, Joe.”

No. Not going to happen. (laughing) :D

“The rest of us are working on the realities of today and not some fantasy world you live in.”

Said the guy who didn’t know that the Individual Mandate was a Republican proposal. (snickering) :D

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
10:39 am

Brosephus™ – “Don’t get Charlie Browned”

November 12th, 2012
10:36 am

Stevie Ray

Georgia may get denied a BCS game, but they’ll have a good shot at playing on New Year’s Day. The SEC has 6 of the top 10 spots in the BCS poll, and I don’t think there are too many more games where those teams have to play each other.
________________________________

Ugh. .I have to think we’re going to get beat by Bama in the SECCG, then LSU and either Florida or South Carolina jump us. . . .

eternal optimist.

alex

November 12th, 2012
10:40 am

“stink on ice”, Gotta love it

Anyway, compromise is the order of the days, anger on both sides is obvious, most rational people believe that the cliff would be unpleasant for all. There will always be the irrational far right and lefters who think their side should not back down;unfortunately they are the loudest and have held sway recently… Hopefully the “noise ” will die down and cooler and thoughtful heads (talking) will prevail…

I still cannot wait until gender and race is not brought into the conversation…….ADVANCEMENT ON MERIT….might be scary for some, but it’s gonna happen and the sooner the better….

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:40 am

Jessie Jr’s re-election in Chicago

_______

Jessis Jr. for President in 2016.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:41 am

And with the SEC matched up against the powerhouse opponents of Wofford, Georgia Southern. Western Carolina, UTEP, Samford, Sam Houston State, Alabama A&M and Jacksonville State this weekend, all one can say is…………….. wow.

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Oscar – Please… No one paid 91% and that had nothing to do with the boom. Having come through a depression and WWII the survivors had good coservative values and work ethic. Now we have 47% on the dole trying to vote themselves a bigger free lunch and you suggest some outrageous tax rate on the productive is the solution? Go to the back of the class, put on the pointy cap and shut up. BTW, if you taxed all the rich at 100% with no deductions we’d still have a deficit.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:42 am

RB — “Yea, Joe, cause everybody knows only wealthy republicans are shopping at WalMart and all those low income democrats are spending their limited incomes at places who certify their goods were produced by American workers who were paid a “fair wage” for doing it.”

Didn’t say or think any of that. (laughing, pointing) :D

“Idiot.”

RB, all that came out of *your* head, not mine., (snickering) :D

“Joe, you’re really shoveling the BS this morning, dude. Geez.”

I see. YOU make stuff up, but *I’m* shoveling BS. (giggling) :D

This is how those “Unskewed Polls” worked, right? Y’all made them up, but *we* were full of pewp? (laughing, pointing) :D

You need to get over yourself, RB. If you keep responding to me like that, you’re going to have a heart attack.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 12th, 2012
10:43 am

JHM – 10:30 – oh, man … that’s brilliant … just shared on FB

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:43 am

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:44 am

Obama’s lack of leadership on this issue, and his willingness to lower taxes even more, has gotten us into this $1B+ a year deficit mess.

As I recall, Obama wanted the tax cut to end on the top income. The GOP wanted them to continue for everyone. So, Obama has a lack of leadership because he gave the GOP what they wanted? I guess that goes to show that anything the GOP thinks is right is actually truly the effed up way to go in reality. Thanks for pointing that out for us.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:44 am

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
10:42 am

______

Hoope the weather is nice for you on Pluto this morning.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:44 am

A. Shrugged — “Oscar – Please… No one paid 91% and that had nothing to do with the boom.”

Um, the top marginal rate was 91% until 1963 or ‘64, IIRC.

“Having come through a depression and WWII the survivors had good coservative values and work ethic.”

And unions. Lots and lots of unions.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:44 am

But what happens to Bama if they should lose to Georgia.

Dec 21, 2012….

Just sayin’ :)

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:45 am

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:41 am

_______

Don’t knock those Golden Eagles. Look out. Georgia better be ready and not looking past them to that tough game with the Jackets.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:45 am

Brownsephus — “As I recall, Obama wanted the tax cut to end on the top income. The GOP wanted them to continue for everyone. So, Obama has a lack of leadership because he gave the GOP what they wanted? I guess that goes to show that anything the GOP thinks is right is actually truly the effed up way to go in reality. Thanks for pointing that out for us.”

I’m liking the sound of that. ^^^^^^^

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
10:47 am

This is funny!!! Joe and USinUK actually want to blame the ACA that no Republicans were allowed any role in writing, no Republicans voted for, had to be shoved through congress using special rules because the house and senate versions couldn’t be agreed to, on Republicans!!!

Hey clowns, if they wanted the single payer, they should have shoved it down everybodys throat instead of the plan they shoved. If you don’t like the plan, the only people you can blame are the people who wrote it and the people who voted for it and every last dam one of them has a D beside their name. All of them.

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
10:47 am

Idiot.

C’mon, if you’re gonna tippy-toe around the edge of banning-level insults at least be creative.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:48 am

And with the SEC matched up against the powerhouse opponents of Wofford, Georgia Southern. Western Carolina, UTEP, Samford, Sam Houston State, Alabama A&M and Jacksonville State this weekend, all one can say is…………….. wow.

Well, since Oct 20th, LSU, Mississippi St, Alabama, and Texas A&M have all had to face each other. Playing teams like that gives those smaller programs needed money while it gives the SEC a break from beating up on each other.

Mr Right

November 12th, 2012
10:49 am

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:49 am

I have found that those who complain the most about having something shoved down their throats are the same ones who will swallow anything.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:50 am

Bro?

Beef ‘O’ Brady’s St. Petersburg
(Big East vs. C-USA) – December 21, 2012

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:50 am

JHM

That’s kinda what I got from that statement. Obama basically compromised and gave the GOP the full extension that they wanted. If that’s what is wrong with our economy, then that’s all the more reason for Obama NOT to give the GOP what they want again. Seems like America feels that they’re bad at picking the correct path forward based on recent results.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:52 am

Oscar

Nah, if Georgia beats Bama on Dec 1st, then it’s only 20 more days until the end of the world. Mayan calendar style. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:52 am

RB — “This is funny!!! Joe and USinUK actually want to blame the ACA that no Republicans were allowed any role in writing, no Republicans voted for, had to be shoved through congress using special rules because the house and senate versions couldn’t be agreed to, on Republicans!!!”

Stop swallowing the FNC line and do your own research for a change, RB. You’ll find out that we’re telling you the truth.

“Hey clowns, if they wanted the single payer, they should have shoved it down everybodys throat instead of the plan they shoved. If you don’t like the plan, the only people you can blame are the people who wrote it and the people who voted for it and every last dam one of them has a D beside their name. All of them.”

Individual Mandate = Republican idea.

That’s a fact, whether you like it or not, RB.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
10:52 am

Bros, can we henceforth refer to any Grand Bargains as the “Charlie Browning of America”?

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
10:53 am

Digby wrote this back in August. The nice GOP noises were being snorted by Lindsay Graham at the time, now we’re hearing them from Speaker John, no real change otherwise.

[S]ince the Democrats have made it clear that the only hill they will die on is the “revenue” hill, the Republicans can probably get away with offering up [...] fake “sacrifice” and the Dems will sell it as a win. If the lame duck goes the way it has in the past, we’ll probably see some unemployment insurance and maybe a payroll tax cut thrown in to trap the liberals. (Who knows? Maybe they’ll throw in some promise to repeal DOMA?) Just keep in mind that the price for those things is likely to be further degradation of the safety net and an immediate contraction of federal dollars at the worst possible time.

So, I don’t care about this chump change he’s talking about and neither should the Democrats. Raising some tip money and promising to close a loophole that will open up the next day somewhere else is not a win. If they do this thing I surely hope they don’t insult us and ask us to clap louder this time. I might have to hurt somebody.

And SR @ 9.06, since you mentioned it, yes. I *am* angry this morning.

I am quite peeved any time I am reminded that I have fight with a Democratic President (to say nothing of an ostensibly liberal columnist) to save Social Security and Medicare.

Sorry if that offends your David Broderian sensibilities. Maybe you can calm your nerves pheasant over quail at Karl’s place. He’s probably lookin’ for some love of late.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
10:53 am

Brosephus: “As I recall, Obama wanted the tax cut to end on the top income. The GOP wanted them to continue for everyone. ”

The GOP wants, and will fight almost to the death for them to continue on the top brackets, the wealthy. They don’t give a good god-damn about the middle and lower incomes. In fact, they would be happy for them to increase while rates for the wealthy to fall further.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:54 am

Oscar, my son went to school there. I like them and will be pulling for them to beat the Puppy Dawgs.

But realistically? And though the line has not been posted yet, I’m pretty sure it will be sizable.

RB, give up the argument about the individual mandate stuff. It was one of the very cornerstones of Flip-flopping Mitt’s demise.

Personally, I’d love help get rid of Obamacare.

But the biggest problem is that you fake conservatives do not want to replace it with the very best option available.

SINGLE PAYER NOW. EVERYBODY IN. NOBODY OUT.

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
10:54 am

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:49 am
I have found that those who complain the most about having something shoved down their throats are the same ones who will swallow anything.
_________________

foie gras

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:55 am

Remember, don’t do and Cristmas shopping before Ded 21. If the Mayan’s are right, would have been a waste of time.

Good day to everyone.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
10:55 am

(”I have TO fight with a Democratic Preznit…” I meant, of course.)

and the link… well, y’all get it, even though I can’t edit my own stuff for s— today.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
10:55 am

dB @ 10:52

I didn’t really want that mouthful of water that I was about to swallow… :lol: :lol:

I think we could definitely call it that.

Jefferson

November 12th, 2012
10:56 am

Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions unless you are a republican. They will never learn.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 12th, 2012
10:56 am

““Having come through a depression and WWII the survivors had good coservative values and work ethic.””

oh, FFS … and the US was the only industrial country NOT rebuilding after the war.

fercryingoutloud

yuzeyurbrane

November 12th, 2012
10:56 am

A Chambliss v. Price race! And Chambliss is labeled the liberal. I never thought I would see the day. Having followed the careers of both men, there is hardly a dimes worth of difference between the two. Chambliss’s willingness to compromise on a budget deal that largely carries out conservative objectives is hardly radical. But that is what passes for moderation in the Republican Party these days. Price is a piece of work. An MD who practices politics rather than medicine and who’s idea of healthcare reform is to protect the pocketbooks of doctors. Before he starts pontificating about his proposed alternative to Obamacare, just know that it is lacking in many details, is only a few pages long, and would, at best, insure only about an additional 3 million patients while protecting the incomes of his fellow doctors, drug and insurance companies. He took the “hypocritical” oath rather than the Hippocratic Oath. I am picking on Price only because Chambliss is normally so lazy that he can’t do as much harm. My prediction, however, is that if a budget compromise is reached that Chambliss will be able to benefit greatly by characterizing himself as a great statesman who reaches across the aisle for the good of country. Georgians are just as tired of partisan bickering and gridlock in Congress as the rest of the country, and this would normally leave Chambliss in a pretty strong position against a partisan Price. However, we are talking about a Republican Primary and the question is will enough mainstream Republicans turn out to reclaim their Party from the TeaParty extremists who have taken it over?

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
10:56 am

Bro- All Obama had to do was nothing and let them expire. The Reps couldn’t pass anything over his veto. But he caved like a wet paper bag so he could buy votes handing out another 2% in SS cuts. It worked too but the Millenial generation will have to pay the price. They already are. Sixteen years of school and all they can get is one of Obana’s 5 Million new jobs. You know the ones at Walmart and McDonalds.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
10:56 am

“Jeffress would go on to say that “it is time for Christians to stand up and to push back against this evil that is overtaking our nation” and to do so via “the ballot box.””

What!? He wants them to go against God’s will?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Brosephus — “That’s kinda what I got from that statement. Obama basically compromised and gave the GOP the full extension that they wanted. If that’s what is wrong with our economy, then that’s all the more reason for Obama NOT to give the GOP what they want again. Seems like America feels that they’re bad at picking the correct path forward based on recent results.”

I’m fine with trying to work out a compromise with the GOP, but if they start getting nasty and recalcitrant, I think the President should just call their bluff, e.g. This is what we were working toward and what you said you wanted. Now you’re balking and demanding a lot of concessions and strings attached, so here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to offer you the best deal I can from what we had on the table, and if you don’t accept it, I’m just going to let sequestration do the job. And I’m going to go to the American people — and the world financial markets — on TV next week and tell them what I just told you.

If we can close the deal before then, great. If not, I hope you have a Merry Christmas back home in your districts, explaining to your constitutents why their interest rates are about to go up on everything from mortgages to credit cards. Peace out.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 12th, 2012
10:57 am

DDR,

Unfortunately in today’s world these uber-wealthy can ignore those of us in the U.S. because this is a global economy. The will make their money somewhere else regardless and I think they’ve already started to move to that model. They just don’t give a darn about this nation – they’re in it only for the money and they don’t really care how well this country does because they can make their money elsewhere.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
11:00 am

foie gras

:lol:

Although I consider JT a wanker, I hope he gets good news about his knee today.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
11:00 am

Joe, you want to post some BS about a CNG/LP fuled truck being evidence we shouldn’t be looking at diesel prices and their effect on the movement of goods, and then expect me to go look up the real impact????? You posted the garbage, Joe, YOU go look it up.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
11:01 am

A Chambliss v. Price race! And Chambliss is labeled the liberal. I never thought I would see the day.

Yep, insane times in the GOP’s Bizzaroland…

Speaking of which

Obana’s 5 Million new jobs.

Only out there on the fringe, is the POTUS an employer who is responsible for the real employers’ not hiring Americans. Though the real employers are sitting on RECORD PROFITS. (And committing a record number of crimes.)

LONG LIVE THE PLUTOCRACY!

Dirty Dawg

November 12th, 2012
11:01 am

Price, Gingrey, Broun…what is it with all these ‘Doctors’ deciding to get into Washington politics? Seems to me that if they were any good at their profession they’d still be practicing. Or is it that they realized that that thing hanging on their wall was a passport into the more, yes even more than doctoring, lucrative position as a congressman who’s able to legally take bribes – aka, campaign contributions – and get richer, quicker in Washington. Whatayabet every one of them is worth far more now than when they actually had a practice?

But more importantly Jay, when are you gonna start hammering Georgia’s ‘Democratic Party’ (I set it off because its a party in name only). We hear about the fact the Republican Party in California is virtually non-existent, but what about here? It’s absolutely insane that a viable candidate(s) weren’t up against Broun, or the others either for all I know. I mean if Charles Darwin could garner thousands of votes as a write-in against the idiot Broun, surly an articulate, bright fire-eating Democrat, could have taken him down altogether. Get on em Jay…make em get off the pot…2014’s not that far out.

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
11:02 am

JHM – That’s what I said. He should show some leadership and submit a budget in line with the bi-partisan committee recommendations: reduce discretionary and military spending, flatten the tax rates while eliminating most of the deductions. We’ll get back to a progressive federal income tax with rates that won’t cripple the fragile recovery.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:03 am

Welcome @ 10:53

I would not argue against that at all. It’s probably a good thing that I’m not in Obama’s shoes as I wouldn’t sign anything to stop everything from taking effect as already planned. If our economy is going to collapse over a 3% increase in taxes, then our economy is already FUBAR. As to the sequestration, they should not have agreed to it if they didn’t want it to happen. Maybe not doing anything will be the catalyst to get rid of this sorry assed excuse for a Congress.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
11:03 am

Fly: “Unfortunately in today’s world these uber-wealthy can ignore those of us in the U.S. because this is a global economy. The will make their money somewhere else regardless and I think they’ve already started to move to that model. They just don’t give a darn about this nation”

Absolutely, but don’t forget that it is the framework of treaties and trade agreements that have been pushed through by our leaders in the past 10-15 yrs which locks this reality into place and makes it all but unchangeable. Recall that NAFTA — which did more to consolidate this new reality than any other act of government — was passed under a DEMOCRATIC president and with very little real public debate considering its enormous implications for the well being of the majority of the population.

The attack on the people is thoroughly bi-partisan in nature and is almost impossible to imagine ever reversing without massive mobilization of the people.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
11:05 am

RB — “Joe, you want to post some BS about a CNG/LP fuled truck being evidence we shouldn’t be looking at diesel prices and their effect on the movement of goods, and then expect me to go look up the real impact?????”

I said no such thing, RB.

“You posted the garbage, Joe”

That rant above? That all came from YOU, RB. You completely mistook my meaning and you’re too much of an arrogant Richard to *ask* me what I meant politely. It’s pretty clear that you prefer to just make things up, attribute them to others and then demand that they answer for your imaginary bulldada.

“YOU go look it up.”

I’m not looking up support for something I neither said, thought nor intended, RB. If you want evidentiary support for what the voices in your head tell you, then I suggest you contact those vvoices directly.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:06 am

when are you gonna start hammering Georgia’s ‘Democratic Party’

I’ve helped out a bit with some of these canon-fodder guys who decide to run against impossible odds in red GA districts. You get no help whatsoever from the national committee (and frankly why should you? it’d be throwing good money after bad) so tilting at windmills is on your own dime–and whatever you might manage to scratch up from local dirty effing hippies.

You have to want to be able to say you did it, to do it–and perhaps cling to the hope that your Republican opponent might get caught in bed with a dead gay farm animal, or whatever it takes these days to dislodge GA voters.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:07 am

All Obama had to do was nothing and let them expire. The Reps couldn’t pass anything over his veto. But he caved like a wet paper bag so he could buy votes handing out another 2% in SS cuts.

Go back and recheck your work. The GOP got their tax increase for their high-end clients stopped. In return, Obama got the cuts held for everyone else that he wanted, and he also got unemployment coverage for 99 weeks continued. I think you’re looking at the wrong deal.

Had it been me, I would have let the Bush cuts expire. That would have left the GOP with no platform for bargaining on the debt limit. We wouldn’t even be discussing the sequestration as a result.

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
11:07 am

Jam – Then the President should get some legislation introduced with tax credits for job creation, real job creation. Four years of O and the rich got richer, a lot richer, and the average working wage went down and despite your fantasies that’s not all the fault of GM and the Republican House.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
11:07 am

A. Shrugged — “flatten the tax rates”

Rejected.

I’m completely opposed to that until wages for the lower three wage quintiles show some significant growth. At least half the percentage growth that the *top* quintile has shown over the last 30 years should be sufficient.

Lynnie Gal

November 12th, 2012
11:09 am

Price must lose this battle with moderation if the GOP is to survive. It’s creepy guys like him–a “physician” who doesn’t give a crap if poor or middle class people have access to healthcare–that the GOP needs to rein in. We’re sick of these people. Now, let’s go over the cliff, let the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to the drawing board immediately on middle class tax relief on January 2. Republicans will be eager to negotiate at that point because it will be obvious to everyone except the most lame-brained among us that the GOP cares only about preserving tax cuts for the very rich. If they hold the middle class tax cuts hostage at that point, they’re finished.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:09 am

perhaps cling to the hope that your Republican opponent might get caught in bed with a dead gay farm animal, or whatever it takes these days to dislodge GA voters.

I hate to inform you, but even in that instance, the Republican wins the election in Georgia.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
11:09 am

Brosephus: “Had it been me, I would have let the Bush cuts expire. That would have left the GOP with no platform for bargaining on the debt limit”

Absolutely, you’re right there. As I said at the time, the correct answer to the GOP’s attempted blackmail and coercion was the Michael Corleone approach: You ask what my offer is, well I’ll tell you what it is. NOTHING. I offer you NOTHING.

But to do that, one has to have real ideological radicalism, which is entirely foreign to this president and his party.

Jefferson

November 12th, 2012
11:09 am

Flatten the income rates…

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
11:12 am

Jefferson: “Flatten the income rates…”

What good is that when the incomes of the majority are declining all the time while incomes of the super wealthy upper brackets soar.

You’re grasping at straws.

Peadawg

November 12th, 2012
11:13 am

JOBS JOBS JOBS

Obama focused on health care his 1st term…let’s FINALLY see that laser-like focus on jobs in his 2nd.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
11:13 am

As I said at the time, the correct answer to the GOP’s attempted blackmail and coercion was the Michael Corleone approach: You ask what my offer is, well I’ll tell you what it is. NOTHING. I offer you NOTHING.

Our elected officials were sent to Washington to govern, not play chicken.

Jefferson

November 12th, 2012
11:13 am

I ain’t grasping at chit.

AmericaShrugged

November 12th, 2012
11:13 am

JHM – If Jay’s ultimate boss pay’s millions more in taxes undeer the bi-partisan committee plan, who cares what the rate is? It’s effective tax rate that matters. The max rate goes down but capital gains and dividends, the source of most of Ann Cox Chamber’s income, will be taxed at the same rate as ordinary income. What’s criminal now is the regressive rate for passive income of the real rich like her and Romney.

Pete

November 12th, 2012
11:14 am

Tom Price and his ilk are what’s wrong with this country. The only way forward is to compromise. Didn’t these peop[le learn anything from the election?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
11:15 am

pea,

He is ready to sign his jobs bill.

Ask the gop why they will not pass it.

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
11:15 am

“A. Shrugged — “flatten the tax rates”

And consider all income as income – capital gains, trust funds, all of it. THAT should help the deficit!

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:15 am

the Republican wins the election in Georgia.

Neal Horsley is holding for you on line One.

(you knew that was coming, yes?)

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Jam – Then the President should get some legislation introduced with tax credits for job creation, real job creation.

Yep, like rescinding the mind bogglingly corrupt tax advantages that American corporations got for outsourcing millions of jobs to Communist China, India, Singapore, etc…

(But shhhh, those fave GOP policies must not be discussed!)

Four years of O and the rich got richer, a lot richer, and the average working wage went down and despite your fantasies that’s not all the fault of GM and the Republican House.

You obviously have MAJOR reading comprehension/memory issues.

Who here – by name – has repeatedly excoriated the past seven administrations for overseeing the loss or shipping overseas of 40,000,000 American jobs.

Who here – by name – has repeatedly decried the flat-lining of American middle class wages over the past four decades?

Who here – by name – has repeatedly shown revulsion at the super concentration of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands, beginning in earnest with the Regan administration?

Was it AtlasAmericaShrugged?

No, I do not think so.

Maybe you can recall the name…

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:17 am

And consider all income as income – capital gains, trust funds, all of it. THAT should help the deficit!

And fund all of SS and Medicare out of the general revenue, rather than taxing it separately? And starting the first level of taxable income at, say, 40-50K? you might be on to something.

(fantasy land, of course.)

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Yeah, but what a great fantasy! It can’t be until somebody dreams it…

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:19 am

dB

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There is the exception to the rule…

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
11:03 am
The attack on the people is thoroughly bi-partisan in nature and is almost impossible to imagine ever reversing without massive mobilization of the people.
______________________________

. . . there was something on PBS recently. It was an interview with 2 guys who had written a book about how the super-wealthy in the country had consolidated power through policy decisions over the past 30 years. They went through Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama and dicussed how decisions during each administration continually helped the .01 percent or something like that.

I can’t recall the title of the book. .

Matti

November 12th, 2012
11:20 am

Tom Price (R – DRAMA QUEEN)

Get that man a pair of Jimmy Choos.

Pizza

November 12th, 2012
11:23 am

GA Dawg 8:45 – The “doctor” has shown little regard for troop exposure to depleted uranium, why would he care about health care for poor U.S. citizens ? ( I use quotes because he reportedly gave up practice with the understanding he could make more money as a congressman. He seems to be doing very well there. )

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
11:25 am

I get it Joe. You can’t back up your post so you’ve entered “divert and dodge”. Same as always….

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
11:29 am

he gets misunderstood a lot apparently.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
11:31 am

JamVet, “Yep, like rescinding the mind bogglingly corrupt tax advantages that American corporations got for outsourcing millions of jobs to Communist China, India, Singapore, etc…”

What tax advantages are those, Jammie? Be specific with actual tax legislation, please.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:33 am

By the way, Alan Colmes doesn’t get much love, but that question he posed, on the spot:

“Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?”

I think that was the single greatest question any journalist ever asked an actual politician, ever.

Thomas

November 12th, 2012
11:34 am

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
11:37 am

A. Shrugged — “JHM – If Jay’s ultimate boss pay’s millions more in taxes undeer the bi-partisan committee plan, who cares what the rate is? It’s effective tax rate that matters. The max rate goes down but capital gains and dividends, the source of most of Ann Cox Chamber’s income, will be taxed at the same rate as ordinary income. What’s criminal now is the regressive rate for passive income of the real rich like her and Romney.”

That’s nice, but that’s not what you said. You said “flatten the tax rates.” That causes more taxation to be borne by the lower and middle class, and I’m not one bit interested in that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
11:37 am

STARBUCKS, AMAZON and GOOGLE to Face UK Lawmakers Over ‘Tax Dodging’…

drudgey

jose

November 12th, 2012
11:38 am

Jay: If millionaires (and those non millionaires making $250,000) need to pay more taxes, shouldn’t we also ask why they need social security and medicare? President Obama’s strong opposition to means testing these entitlements speaks volumes. Does Warren Buffet really need a Social Security check in retirement?

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:38 am

I think that was the single greatest question any journalist ever asked an actual politician, ever.

I can’t find anything to dispute that one.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 12th, 2012
11:39 am

dB – 11:33 – :lol:

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:40 am

Does Warren Buffet really need a Social Security check in retirement?

Is it a matter of who really needs it. If Warren Buffet paid social security, why would he not get back, at a minimum, the money he paid into it? That’s what social security is for. It’s not pay into the system and get money back only if you NEED it. I don’t know if people, who earn their income through interest and dividends, actually pay into SS or if they even collect it though.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:43 am

decisions during each administration continually helped the .01 percent or something like that.

I can’t recall the title of the book. .

Was it this one?

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
11:44 am

Who would have a real problem with some type of means-testing for SS? Say, for as long as you’rincome remained above $1M, you wouldn’t get a check?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
11:44 am

RB — “I get it Joe.”

Of course you don’t. :roll:

“You can’t back up your post”

Stop lying, RB. I did not say, think or mean anything of the sort. You quite clearly made up a position and attributed it to me. So no, *I* can’t and WON’T back up *your* post. Nor will I. I’m not under any obligation to support a position you made up for me.

“so you’ve entered “divert and dodge”.”

I don’t need to divert or dodge something I neither said, thought or meant. I don’t need to divert or dodge from your dishonest fabrications.

“Same as always….”

Yes. Yes, it is. You dishonestly make crap up and say ZOMG THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID even though I said nothing of the sort. That’s pretty much the ’same as always.’

If you were honest, you’d recognize that. But clearly, honesty is too much to hope for from someone like you.

Dave

November 12th, 2012
11:45 am

Lord, I never thought I’d be rooting for Saxby.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
11:46 am

BRO/DDR

Lot’s of if’s…if UGA miraculously beats Bama…we get BSC bowl but likely not playing an undefeated…if we lose to BAMA and end up 11-2, probably early New Years day game in FLORIDA..of course, if we lose to GT, we will be playing in the Blue Turf bowl…

DDR

Don’t feel sorry for me…excepting my age…I was in Herschel’s class at UGA and got pulled of goalpost by big easy cops after sugar bowl win….they weren’t gentle…

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
11:49 am

You quite clearly made up a position and attributed it to me. So no, *I* can’t and WON’T back up *your* post.

RB’s doing some of that Republican Maths to make himself feel better. Leave the poor man alone.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 12th, 2012
11:49 am

Who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and a Democratic candidate will be an alternative to either of these two good ol’boy candidates. :)

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
11:50 am

I have waited for a long time for this one, RB.

I am not your Google, look it up yourself!!

And had you ever had the stones to do what you just asked of me, my response would have been different.

But here is a little hint for you to begin educating yourself on this widely known matter – bone up on the perverse incentives/features of our tax system known as “deferral” and “repatriation”…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
11:51 am

BRO@11:07

The expiration of Bush tax cuts previously is thought provoking…the downside to all taxpayers would have creamed both parties..

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:53 am

President Obama’s strong opposition to means testing these entitlements speaks volumes. Does Warren Buffet really need a Social Security check in retirement?

Means testing is a rabbit hole. It doesn’t yield diddly squat in actual savings (how many guys like Warren Freaking Buffed ARE there to pay SS bennies, anyway?); what it would do is completely disengage upper incomers from their already paltry buy-in, and make this group of influential people even more inclined to send us to the knackerer’s like the pigs did to Boxer fcrew us on Social Security.

Terrible, terrible idea. Double-plus terrible.

Krystal'sBalls

November 12th, 2012
11:56 am

Found this quote earlier:
“Price is doctor, he knows how healthcare should be run.”

Yeah… LOL… just like a FOOTBALL PLAYER knows how an NFL FRANCHISE is supposed to be “run”…or an assembly line worker knows how an automobile manufacturing operation is supposed to be run…OR..OR….a SPORTSCASTER…or “WEATHERGIRL” knowing how a TV STATION is supposed to be run!

Boy the world is chock full of sharpies out there now isn’t it? *rolls eyes*

You might want to know, my doctor couldn’t even tell me the specifics about whether or not a particular treatment would be more cost effective in taking a single injection as oppossed to daily pill form. Said that the “people up front would have to hash that out with the insurance company”. My guess is most serious physicians concern themselves more with treating/curing ailments and research than getting too caught up in ADMINISTRATION.

alex

November 12th, 2012
11:57 am

“more rope? Bropheus, jamvet, stands for decibels, joe…….?

“Sure and boy that is a high platform over there , looks like a great place to jump from, let us just tie the knot around our necks just so…. should be fun for a split second “………..snap!

Hmmmm, next!

getalife

November 12th, 2012
11:57 am

“RB’s doing some of that Republican Maths to make himself feel better.”

Debbie calls that matherbation.

I stole it from her so when they deflect blame to the other side to make themselves feel better, it is called deflecterbation.

Just giving credit where credit is due.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:59 am

And keep in mind, you bi-curious means-tester librulz–

they way that the Goopers would do this, I guaran-damn-tee you, would be to make sure that as many upper-middle-income Democratic-leaning voters would feel some pain in some noticeable way in order to spark some kind of revolt.

It’s a trojan horse. Send an expeditionary force outside the walls to dowse it with gasoline and burn it.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
11:59 am

jose: “President Obama’s strong opposition to means testing these entitlements speaks volumes. Does Warren Buffet really need a Social Security check in retirement?”

As stands correctly said, the whole “means testing” thing is a Trojan horse, a farce that is meant to drive a wedge into the sense of social solidarity that is necessary if these programs are to remain legitimate over time in any form at all. The right wing understands that perfectly well, since as always they are perfect ideological radicals who NEVER underestimate the crucial political significance of framing. They know that if you start making ‘exceptions’ for the well off, then the remaining program is pigeonholed in a ghetto as an “entitlement” for the lazy takers and it is then a short step to dismantling the program altogether.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
11:59 am

the downside to all taxpayers would have creamed both parties..

I disagree with that. For most people, the increase is a 3% increase in the marginal rates. Depending on deductions available, one might see an effective rate increase of probably half that amount. I personally think some of the panic is overblown as Americans tend to adapt and overcome adversity with regular fashion.

We would probably experience a slowdown, but our economy is already progressing better than most of the rest of the world. If our business leaders were not such scared b*tches, we would probably be much farther along in recovery.

Georgia

November 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

I hate life after the falcon failure. Now what are we gonna do They had it won. Oh, I managed to get access to some of the threatening emails that prompted Jill Kelley to rat out Broadwell to the FBI. Some women don’t grow past their sororiety years. Get a load of this one: “…and don’t expect me to ever say, “Snaps for Jill” ever again, you lipo-challenged…….

and this one! “……..I can’t believe you still wear shoulder pads under your tshirts. Don’t you think you have enough lumps on your body………

This is the story of the year. It’s not just a scandal. It’s a FrankenScandal!!!

appleseed

November 12th, 2012
12:02 pm

Seems all was well until we were Bush-Whacked.Let those Bush cuts expire along with anything having to do with Bush.

Mary Elizabeth

November 12th, 2012
12:05 pm

Words from the ever courageous pen of Paul Krugman:
—————————————————————————

“So President Obama has to make a decision, almost immediately, about how to deal with continuing Republican obstruction. How far should he go in accommodating the G.O.P.’s demands?

My answer is, not far at all. Mr. Obama should hang tough, declaring himself willing, if necessary, to hold his ground even at the cost of letting his opponents inflict damage on a still-shaky economy. . . .

Mr. Obama essentially surrendered in the face of similar tactics at the end of 2010, extending low taxes on the rich for two more years. He made significant concessions again in 2011, when Republicans threatened to create financial chaos by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. And the current potential crisis is the legacy of those past concessions.

Well, this has to stop — unless we want hostage-taking, the threat of making the nation ungovernable, to become a standard part of our political process.

So what should he do? Just say no, and go over the cliff if necessary. . . .

Most of all, standing up to hostage-taking is the right thing to do for the health of America’s political system.

So stand your ground, Mr. President, and don’t give in to threats. No deal is better than a bad deal.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/opinion/krugman-lets-not-make-a-deal.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

bookman parrot

November 12th, 2012
12:05 pm

alls these libs stating the repubs are not adults and the dems are adults. well a definition of adult is one who is responsible; and i would state that fiscal responsibility would be high on that list of responsibilities. well we know dems have not been fiscally responsible over the last 4 years and before; dems are spenders. so i don’t see how they could think they are the “adults” , unless adulthood means bankruptcy.

jays Brain

November 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

All of you clowns are so funny talking about compromise. Tell me where to demorats compromised the last four years?
I remember barry telling Kyle, McCain, Cantor to shove it because he won they lost.

alex

November 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

Krystal, you are most assuredly correct……..

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
12:08 pm

when they deflect blame to the other side to make themselves feel better, it is called deflecterbation

If only they’d get a room with themselves…..

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

I searched in vain for the news headline that should’ve read:

Utah Voters Say: “Mia, NO Love You Long Time”

…just to spare everyone else the trouble and bother. (You’re welcome.)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

BRO

All the panic is always overblown…look at election and “you didn’t build that…” and taking medicare away from grandma exaggerations…bad political move for DEMS particulary based on all the BS about making the middle class king..

BTW, did you see this this morning? Interesting, albeit not politically correct (someone’s gotta say it)..short read…check it out..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-its-the-welfare-state-stupid/2012/11/11/e392868a-2ab0-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:11 pm

Same ole con bs.

Two thumpins equals a mandate for our President cons.

You are irrelevant so zip it.

alex

November 12th, 2012
12:12 pm

@Mary E. Krugman puts the “dismal” in the dismal science (economics),glad to see that Krugman is not in any responsible position ( he’s an academic)

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
12:12 pm

“I remember barry telling Kyle, McCain, Cantor to shove it because he won they lost.’

Linkee to the “shove it’ quote, please? Because I think you are lying or misinformed…

Jefferson

November 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

The truth is the GOP don’t want to stop spending and they blame the opposition, as always. Let all the tax cuts expire, the revenue is needed.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

I remember barry telling Kyle, McCain, Cantor to shove it because he won they lost.

I remember Mitch McConnell saying the most important goal was to make Obama a one term president.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
12:14 pm

Tell me where to [sic] demorats [sic] compromised [sic] the last four years?

lessee–800b instead of 1.2t for the Recovery Act; the PPACA’s individual mandate rather than a public option; 99 weeks unemployment for the Bush tax cuts extention; any of those ring a bell?

I remember barry telling Kyle, McCain, Cantor to shove it

O lord, how I wish he had. How I wish he had.

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:14 pm

“If only they’d get a room with themselves…..”

They should not do this in public.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

i would state that fiscal responsibility would be high on that list of responsibilities. well we know dems have not been fiscally responsible over the last 4 years and before; dems are spenders.

Ummmm, GOP House for 2 years under Obama. Spending bills originate in the House. Neither party can claim to be adults, but continue to live in that fantasy world of yours. Where are the jobs that both parties campaigned on over the past 4 years? Fiscal responsibility begins by getting people back to work.

—————————

Stevie Ray

I haven’t read that one yet. Been reading the local paper from home this am. I’ll check it out.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

…dems have not been fiscally responsible over the last 4 years…

No doubt.

But their Republican counterparts have been???

Forget four, how about the past 40 years???

Let me answer that one…. NO.

With precious few exceptions they have all been spendaholic, pork-addicted self-serving pigs at the American trough.

Trickle-down/voodoo economics has been a DISASTER for most Americans and yet you dead red faithful want more and more and more of it!!

Insane.

Speaking of which…

Price, Westmoreland, Gingrey, Broun and Saxby.

Man, do we suck or what?

LOL!

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

“I remember barry telling Kyle, McCain, Cantor to shove it”

No, that was me not the President.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
12:18 pm

No, that was me

no, it was me. I AM SPARTACUS!

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

Because I think you are lying or misinformed…

Meat just has a fertile imagination matched only by his ungodly bad research skills!

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

flagboy, are you thinking by chance of “Winner Take All Politics”?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

“no, it was me. I AM SPARTACUS!”

We told them to shove it on election day.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

STANDS

Barry did in fact tell Cantor et al basically to shove it after 2008 election win and before inauguration…denial doesn’t make the truth…also, I do believe McConnells comment about 1-term president was nothing new in DC…wasn’t that the DEMS objective during Bush’s first term?

McConnells comment’s can be taken in context via below link..it was just prior to midterm elections…after PelosiCare if I recall..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/when-did-mcconnell-say-he-wanted-to-make-obama-a-one-term-president/2012/09/24/79fd5cd8-0696-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Lynn Westmoreland, Tom Price, Jack Kingston, the pretend dentist,
and Paul Broun (squeeeeal), Suxby Chambliss, and Johnny Isakson.

If that don’t embarrass you, then you just can’t be embarrassed.

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Actually, the gop cut and ran for taxes on the wealthy.

There are many alternatives for the “fiscal cliff” bs and just need to find one that will pass the gop house.

They can always move the deadline but the market won’t like it.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

Kamchak, to answer blackmail in the Michael Corleone “I offer you NOTHING” manner is not at all to play chicken. It’s recognizing that tactics of negotiation are eminently political, not simple tactical measures that are peripheral to the content of what’s being negotiated on. The radical GOP always seems to understand that better than the Dems.

And to Brosephus, on the bluffing on sequestration, the only real bluffing in my view that was done was on the part of the GOP on defense cuts, which they prob never really intended to follow through on.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

MARY/ALEX

I just can’t see how anyone puts much creedence in what Krugman has to say anymore…he writes for the NYT’s which speaks volumes and his sole purpose, with or without merit is to bash GOP and others who disagree with his one-size-fits all economic garble..

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

Barry did in fact tell Cantor et al basically to shove it after 2008 election win and before inauguration…denial doesn’t make the truth…

I’m not sure why I’m bothering now that you’re back to full-tilt concern troll mode, but SR, “Barry” (and seriously… really? you’ve taken to using THAT pet name? but I digress), by actual contemporary accounts, this was hardly telling them to “shove it”–

President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning – but he also left no doubt about who’s in charge of these negotiations. “I won,” Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.

ZOMG. HOW. DARE. HE???

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

I just can’t see how anyone puts much creedence in what Krugman has to say anymore…he writes for the NYT’s…

There’s your sign.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

I like Congressman Price.

As an orthopedic surgeon, he fixed my rotator cuff about 20 years ago and it’s still working just fine ……………… :o )

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

For Paul (or Paula):

“Retired Gen. David Petraeus, who resigned as CIA director last week after admitting an extramarital relationship, could possibly face military prosecution for adultery if officials turn up any evidence to counter his apparent claims that the affair began after he left the military.”

Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

0311,

Maybe for our benefit he should have stayed in the medical field instead of the political one.

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:34 pm

“GOP Could Soon ‘Cease To Exist,’ Texas Lawmaker Says” HP

Disband the whig party again.

Shannon

November 12th, 2012
12:34 pm

It is also simple math, Mr. Bookman, that you do not enact contractionary fiscal policy during a period of slow economic growth. We are barely out of the recession. The time to cut deficits and raise taxes is during times of inflation, not recessionary growth.

curious

November 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

Romney is moving to Georgia so he can be Governor and replace the money he spent on the Presidential campaign.

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

stevie,

Krugman is credible but your rw media lied to your face.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 12th, 2012
12:36 pm

Curious,

That is funny and sad at the same time.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

“Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !”

Ew.

Get a room for that.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

Scout, too bad for us Georgians that he didn’t remain a doctor!

Spending cuts are always going to big time adversely impact the poor, the middle class, the elderly, the sick and children.

Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.

Hold your ground, Mr. President. Do not cave to the 1% and their horrifically misguided cheerleaders.

Trickle-down is as dead as Mr. Reagan and you risk throwing away the opportunity that was won last Tuesday if you screw the middle class yet again…

curious

November 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !

The Gingrich rule was in effect.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

0311 — “Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !”

The CIC wasn’t in the military and hasn’t had an affair. So how’s he getting a pass, exactly?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:39 pm

We know why scout had a rotator injury.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
12:39 pm

Stevie, an admitted Faux news watcher, claims someone is not credible because they write for the NYT? Oy vey.

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:40 pm

“Stevie, an admitted Faux news watcher, claims someone is not credible because they write for the NYT? Oy vey.”

They should correct their lying media but failed.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
12:41 pm

We know why scout had a rotator injury.

Digging rabbit holes?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

“Digging rabbit holes?”

That and too much deflecterbation.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

STANDS

Not only did he dis the supreme court, but he did in fact not consider proposal by GOP 3 days after inauguration (i was incorrect about timing in prior post), leaving Cantors single page proposals including immediate reductions in bottom two tax rates, elimination of tax on unemployment benefits, homebuyers credit, tax deductions of 20% on income of small business, and not tax increases to pay for stimulus…BO response…”I can go it alone, the polls are looking pretty good for me right now..”

The bill was introduced January 26th and drafted by DEMS..whenever a REP tried to make changes, Emmanuel would respond with “we have the votes…f&ck ‘em…that’s the bulldozing BO promised to avoid just a few short months prior..

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:46 pm

stevie,

Still lying?

Come on con.

Facts matter and you should have learned this fact after two thumpins.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
12:46 pm

GETALIFE et al

Neither the DEMS Keynesian government trickle down) or GOP’s trickle down stale economic theories work in their fundamental form…a blend is needed to accomplish anything..Krugman is a complete tool for DEMS…not unlike several who are tools for the GOP…

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

“not unlike several who are tools for the GOP…”

Your media lied to your face. Dissed you.

Set it straight.

Man up.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

S. Ray — “Neither the DEMS Keynesian government trickle down) or GOP’s trickle down stale economic theories work in their fundamental form…a blend is needed to accomplish anything..”

I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008.

alex

November 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

“horrifically misguided chheerleaders”-next stop “the Jon Stewart Show”-oy vey!! Priceless!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

That and too much deflecterbation.

Well, some people got no shame. Some things should be left in the bathroom bedroom.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008.

IOKIYAR

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

I agree RC.

This is a public blog and they should do that in private.

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

on the bluffing on sequestration, the only real bluffing in my view that was done was on the part of the GOP on defense cuts, which they prob never really intended to follow through on.

I’d concur. That’s also one of the reasons why I wouldn’t do anything to stop the cuts if I were in DC. The GOP has been campaigning on this whole austerity thing. I’d give the country a big taste of what austerity will do, and I’d make sure to give the GOP all the credit they deserve for foistering this on the country.

the cat

November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Is this the same Tom Price that promised to leave the light on at his roach motel?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Elections and facts matter cons.

Leave la la land and set your party and media straight.

YouLibs

November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Stevie on Krugman:

“…his sole purpose, with or without merit is to bash GOP and others who disagree with his one-size-fits all economic garble…”

Nothing one-size-fits-all or garbled about tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, huh?

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
12:57 pm

alex, you are a trickle-down devotee, I presume?

Krugman is brilliant. He is the 20th most widely cited economist in the world today.

And was scathing in his analysis of immature would-be intellectuals and faux economists like Paul Ryan.

Just another all around great Hebe American!

Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"

November 12th, 2012
12:57 pm

Neither the DEMS Keynesian government trickle down) or GOP’s trickle down stale economic theories work in their fundamental form…a blend is needed to accomplish anything..

And what in the hell was the Stimulus plan if it were not a blend of the two? As long as one party is content on sandbagging, nothing will work. It takes active participation from both sides, and that is NOT what we’ve seen over the past 4 years.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

Not only did he dis the supreme court

I really wish I had time to play with you full time. but, for the record:

With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests –- including foreign corporations –- to spend without limit in our elections. (Applause.) I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. (Applause.) They should be decided by the American people. And I’d urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to correct some of these problems.

You just go on making stuff up, and when time permits, I’ll refudiate it.

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
12:59 pm

“he writes for the NYT’s which speaks volumes ”

Stevie Ray – is that why you don’t believe Nate Silver?

alex

November 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

@Stevie, Obviously with a nobel in his pocket, Krugman has some economic credentials. It appears to me that he has used these as a front to project hos political principals. Obviously he has the right to do so, but having economic smarts does not appear to have led him to political objectivity and for that I say “more Schumpeter” (think “more cowbell”). He had quite a way with the Viennnese fraulein, ……

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:01 pm

Typical brilliant responses by GETALIFE, KEEPS and KAMCHAK

GETALIFE: SR…YOU LIE CON…(code for I got no evidence but if i call him a liar, it will drown out any need for me to provide substance…

KEEPS: SR, YOU ARE JUST STUPID AND POSING AS A INDEPENDENT WHEN YOU ARE REALLY A CON LIAR…(code for I got no evidence to counter but if I do the old shoutdown, he will succomb and back off his position…)

KAMCHAK: SR, YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT AND MAKE UP THESE “FACTS” AS YOU GO…YOUR SO INGNORANT, YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT-UP YOU STUPID…STUPID..DUMMY (code for if I deflect by personal attacks on SR, he will cower in my very presence…he should just go away..nobody should ever disagree with my IDOL BO and if they do, I’m gonna have my daddy beat up his daddy..)

Three peas in a pod..I salute all of you for such meaningful intellectual debating skills…

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
1:03 pm

Like many other bright men of conscience he has been the bane (get it?) or the banksters…

“It’s hard for me to believe there were no crimes. Given the scale of [the financial crisis], given how many corners were being cut, some people must have violated laws. I think people should be in jail.”

Federal prosecution of financial fraud fell to a 20-year low in 2011, according to a report released in November.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, which Krugman said in the interview has “done a great service,” has highlighted these concerns and as public anger grows government agencies have taken some action.

Occupy that, you pro-crime Republicans…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

KAMCHAK: SR, YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT AND MAKE UP THESE “FACTS” AS YOU GO…YOUR[sic] SO INGNORANT, YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT-UP YOU STUPID…STUPID..DUMMY

If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, no sense in being half-assed about it.

lefty_316

November 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

I’ve never heard of this Tom Price before. He sounds like a real piece of garbage.

SouthernGal

November 12th, 2012
1:05 pm

Why are some groups exempt from Obamacare?

alex

November 12th, 2012
1:06 pm

Jamvet , see my earlier post, I’m more a devotee to the Austrian school, but your religious bigotry is really quite revolting, pass the cream cheese, please.

He is” the 20th most cited economist, “, google that ,did we……? You take yourself MUCH to seriously, here’s more rope…..

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:07 pm

BRO

Brilliant…thanks again for validating my point which was that neither historical theorum can in and of itself, work given the variables we face…or have faced in the past decade or so…

ALEX…BO got a Nobel in his pocket too…clearly that doesn’t mean as much as it used to…Krugman is no different than any other run of the mill economist who’s political leanings define their economics..only difference is that he writes for the most biased (except for perhaps much of FOX NEW/MSNBC) medium likely on this planet…

Sagegirl

November 12th, 2012
1:07 pm

Over the weekend I saw that GA, TX, and AR are being heralded as the newest swing states to watch in 2016. That will be interesting to see.

Rabbit

November 12th, 2012
1:08 pm

Price is a BAD representative on legislative matters. He is good on constituent issues and that’s why he’s almost invulnerable in his district. On the other hand, his smarmy north Atlanta persona will never play in rural middle and south georgia where Chambliss seems solid.
Further, while Georgia seems pretty red right now, it pays to recall that not long ago, there was a Democratic majority. This suggests that GA has a strong independent voter group and the recent election may have persuaded them to move away from the wingnut politics of Price.
I think Chambliss is safe to work on a solution and let Price play obstructionist. Chambliss’ bigger worry might come from a charismatic Democrat.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
1:09 pm

..only difference is that he writes for the most biased (except for perhaps much of FOX NEW/MSNBC) medium likely on this planet…

There’s the same sign.

MiltonMan

November 12th, 2012
1:09 pm

“Tom Price. Ugh. The karma gods must hate me to have made him my “representative”.”

Nothing is keeping you from moving. Move to the 4th district. The moon-bat Johnson would love for you to help him prevent Guam from tipping over.

MiltonMan

November 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

“Chambliss’ bigger worry might come from a charismatic Democrat.”

…and who exactly would that be??? Barnes??? Martin??? Vernon Jones??? The only viable option is Mayor Reed & his love affair for the TSPLOST will come back and sink him.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

…it pays to recall that not long ago, there was a Democratic majority.

It pays to recall that not long ago “Democrat” was not synonymous with “liberal.”

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

SouthernGal — “Why are some groups exempt from Obamacare?”

What groups are you thinking of?

FWIW, any state can exempt itself if it puts together an insurance exchange that meets Federal standards. I expect several states will do just that.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

SOUTHERN GAL

Mostly unions (about 700K), muslims, Amish and other religions that have pre-clusions from accepting insurance like benefits…unfortunately…

Either political in favor of DEM supporters or acknowledging religious tenets that preclude participation…of course, those in the latter group who will opt in are most likely to have major pre-existing conditions…we call it adverse selection…

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

Jammie, “I have waited for a long time for this one, RB.

I am not your Google, look it up yourself!!”

If you’ve waited so long, Jammie, you surely have the answer at hand, so back up your claim. Back it up or stop lying to people.

emo

November 12th, 2012
1:16 pm

Georgia’s GOP congressional delegation seem to take turns trying to embarrass the whole state (and succeeding). The saddest part to me of leaving Sandy Springs for Alpharetta was going from John Lewis as my represantative to Tom Price. I generally think of him changing the last letter of his name to a ‘k’….

Bill Campbell

November 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

If all the Democrats left the country ( maybe Spain or Cuba) the country would flourish but if the Republicans were to leave…the Democrats would riot in the strreets and kill each other in short time because there would be no one to provide for them!

Rabbit

November 12th, 2012
1:18 pm

‘charismatic Democrat’. More like someone not currently on the radar in the Jim Marahall mold with broader appeal and who could garner strong financial support from agriculture and professionals.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:19 pm

SR

When did Muslims get an exemption from Obamacare?

Matti

November 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

Milton Man,

FYI: District 6 was redrawn to overtake parts of District 4, and nobody bothered to ask the people in District 4 if they were okay with it.

By the way, how’s that giant wall around Milton coming along?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

REGNAD

I am in the field of actuarial science…any finding requires a file full of consistent success and endure any efforts to prove it wrong..

I think Silver is a rock star…his reputation is clearly improved by outcomes from 2012…I want him to be successful my point is that as a scientific postulation, his method will need more years of success to be considered a lock…He is an amazing mathemitician and master of regression analytics…

Can you imagine if he played poker?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

RB — “so back up your claim. Back it up or stop lying to people.”

You’re one to talk. :roll:

Rabbit

November 12th, 2012
1:21 pm

…and, Milton, no one outside the bubble can call Jim Marshall a liberal.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
1:21 pm

B. Campbell — “If all the Democrats left the country ( maybe Spain or Cuba) the country would flourish but if the Republicans were to leave…the Democrats would riot in the strreets and kill each other in short time because there would be no one to provide for them!”

You go right ahead and keep telling yourself that if if helps you to sleep at night.

When I was a little shaver, I liked fairy tales at bedtime, too.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

BOTHSUCK

They applied for and obtained, on religious grounds, an exemption from HHS not too long after bill was passed…..haven’t seen anything to suggest this is no longer the case..about 1200 exemptions were filed…only a miniscule number were rejected but that too may have changed with time..

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

SR

Union as well?

Thanks for providing this info.

I would just blast your post out of the water, however I will wait until you respond…….

hint: what you are saying isn’t true

:-)

alex

November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

Stevei, I am not in basic disagreement , but for full disclosure the “peace” prize is given by a different organization than the economics Nobel , Krugman’s was not for any Original thought, ….., more hayek….

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

JamVet, “Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.”

Math question for you…. If you pay $0 in taxes, and it’s cut by 20%, how much are you paying now?

Explain how a tax cut of any sort would ever not help those who pay more taxes more than those who don’t pay any.

Why don’t you just sanction wealth confiscation and re-distribution and get it over with, Jammie? It’s clear to anybody who reads your posts thats what you really want. A “commune….” society, eh Jammie?

Matti

November 12th, 2012
1:24 pm

They BOTH @ 1:19,

Stevie Ray apparently gets his news from chain-letter emails in multi-colored font, demanding his immediate outrage and forwarding to everyone in his address book. Like spam, only more offensive and with less truth than the ones promising to lengthen his you-know-what.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:25 pm

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:26 pm

moonbat betty

November 12th, 2012
1:26 pm

Lots of people calling each other liars.

Truth is, no one knows the truth anymore because the media pushes their own politics 24/7 instead of reporting facts.

You have all been duped and Jay is just as guilty as Rush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

RB — “Why don’t you just sanction wealth confiscation and re-distribution and get it over with, Jammie? It’s clear to anybody who reads your posts thats what you really want. A “commune….” society, eh Jammie?”

And again with JM’s Magical Mindreading Act. He doesn’t need to actually talk to you to find out what you think; he just repeats what the voices in his head *tell him* you think.

Is it at all possible for you to ask people what they think or mean without you shoving words in their mouths first, RB?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

BOTH

Unions were not exempt from the entire bill….them as well as many corporations were provided an exemption, in the form of a gradual increase over time, to meet the unlimited benefits mandate..no they were not 100% exempt from the act..

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

SR

My apologies, I could not wait.

I would suggest you look up those “exemptions” and see exactly what the truth is regarding them.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

Go away, Joe. You’ve become a pest with your silly divert and dodge game. Maybe Nickelodeon has a blog that would better suit you?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
1:28 pm

Oooooh, “Pants On Fire”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
1:29 pm

Kam, yep….Stevie just having a temper tantrum and making things up when he does not like a response. But hey, if you just make a wild claim, anyone who disagrees should have to prove you wrong. You know it goes back to that Glen Beck type argument that was successfully mocked: “why wont Glen Beck deny that he did not kill that girl.”

I guess Stevie came for an argument starting with a false and nonfactual proposition and just hates the mocking but rather than start with with a non-distorted factual proposition, he whines.

Stevie will next call us “poopie heads” like Grover called the president.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

SR

Are you talking exemptions or waivers? They are companies that have been granted waivers, which give them more time to comply.

And it you can believe it, they are not all huge Obama supporters or companies that have unions.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

There are…….

excuse me

Rabbit

November 12th, 2012
1:31 pm

“If elected conference chair, McMorris Rodgers would become the only woman in a major leadership role in the House GOP. ”

Let’s hope the Speaker succeeds in getting Rodgers elected. If it doesn’t happen, we will know the house is hell bent on wrecking the system of government we have that requires cooperation and some level of compromise.
We need a two party system, and another round of brinksmanship whether caused by the Republican House or not will fall at their feet.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:31 pm

SR

Are Muslims a monolithic group? Explain exactly how “they” applied.

Was it all Muslims in the US? Certain sects? Every sect?

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
1:31 pm

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
11:43 am

decisions during each administration continually helped the .01 percent or something like that.

I can’t recall the title of the book. .

Was it this one?
______________________

Not quite.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
1:33 pm

RB — “Go away, Joe.”

No. I refuse. If you don’t like what I have to say, then leave yourself.

“You’ve become a pest with your silly divert and dodge game.”

I’m not playing your JM Speaks For Others game, and I’m not letting you get away with it. You don’t speak for me or anyone else on here, and you don’t have the right to tell others what they think.

If you were a man, you’d ASK others what they think instead of trying to speak for them and put words in their mouths. But clearly, misrepresenting others is the only way you can make yourself feel good.

You’re PATHETIC, RB. You’re dishonest, and unrepentantly so.

“Maybe Nickelodeon has a blog that would better suit you?”

I think it would suit you fine, since you’ve clearly demonstrated that you can’t behave like an adult.

Rabbit

November 12th, 2012
1:35 pm

bTW, is ther anyone left on this blog who wants to discuss the topics of the article, or did the election send the usual suspects into a mania episode?

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
1:35 pm

Occupation – I think that was the book. It was an interesting interview.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:36 pm

SR

Your sources seem to be more biased than the NY Times that slays get a rise out of you.

;-)

I’m sure there are “exemptions”, however they are not as generalized as you portrayed in your earlier post.

Got to run

peace

Nero

November 12th, 2012
1:37 pm

Go over the cliff. Let all the tax cuts expire and let the sequestration happen. Everybody burns. Everybody feels the pain. Cut it all. Cut defense. Cut entitlements. Cut it all.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
1:38 pm

bTW, is ther anyone left on this blog who wants to discuss the topics of the article…

From the top right hand corner of this page: About Jay Bookman

An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things

Perhaps your own blog at blogspot.com would be more to your liking?

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
1:38 pm

“JamVet, “Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.”

Math question for you…. If you pay $0 in taxes, and it’s cut by 20%, how much are you paying now?

Explain how a tax cut of any sort would ever not help those who pay more taxes more than those who don’t pay any.”
==============================

RB – you don’t have to fight with someone who’s agreeing with you. :)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:47 pm

BOTH et al

Here are some other interesting facts about who is exempt from the tax mandates….thus qualified families up to 400% of poverty level may be exempt from the mandate to purchase coverage…this is one of the reasons we may still have close to as many uninsureds as we do now…just different groups..

Complicated in it’s alledged simplicity..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/07/09/obamacares-dark-secret-the-individual-mandate-is-too-weak/

Morality?

November 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

Rumor is that Patraeus’ girlfriend Miss Broadhill may also be linked to Bill Clinton and Congress may investigate any possible breach in security there. Bill Clinton has no comment.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
1:50 pm

alex, your fact-free nonsense is noted. It is part of the reason that the GOP and right wing extremism took it on the chin last week. making up silly cr@p out of thin air is no way to win elections.

Speaking of which, here is a question for you, RB.

“Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.”

If you pay $0 in taxes, and it’s cut by 20%, how much are you paying now?

What in the hell does that second question have to do with the first? You and I both know – absolutely nothing.

You really do have ZERO debate skills. You are not capable of intelligently countermanding that first statement of mine, so you don’t even try. You just concoct some unrelated, sophist bogeyman/red herring.

FAIL!

Ryan was supposedly one of the GOP’s big thinkers??

More like a middling stinker!

Randian claptrap is also a guaranteed way to lose elections going forward…

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

SR

One more and have to get on a call. While stating it was a step in the right direction, I have not been on this blog touting the ACA has the end all of end alls because it is not.

I was merely pointing out that your post earlier in regards to exemptions was way off……. and it is.

Will check out your article.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

Nick Danger, I love that!

LOL at me for not catching it originally!

Paul

November 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

Thought I’d get this out there.

Heard again on Fox from Boehner and others that raising the top marginal rate would hit 97% of small business owners. I thought “Wow, those small business owners are all doing okay!!!” and wondered where that number came from.

Found out (surprise, surprise) that none of the talking heads ever included a cite.

None of the commentators ever asked for a cite.

Doing a little research, one said that if all rates were raised, it’d hit 97% of all owners. That sounded more reasonable. But it just wasn’t what was largely claimed.

Then I figured it out. No surprise, here. Republicans are math challenged (no surprise there, either). See, the Joint Committee on taxation said if the top rate went up that it’d affect about 3.5 percent of small business owners. So Republicans rounded down, not up, and got 3 percent. They subtracted that from 100 and got 97 percent. So they began using the 97 percent who would not see an increase as the 97 percent who would see an increase.

Mystery solved.

“The staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that in 2013 approximately 940,000 taxpayers with net positive business income (3.5 percent of all taxpayers with net positive business income) will have marginal rates of 36 or 39.6 percent under the president’s proposal, and that 53 percent of the approximately $1.3 trillion of aggregate net positive business income will be reported on returns that have a marginal rate of 36 or 39.6 percent. [Joint Committee On Taxation, 6/18/12]”

(Just put the words between the quotes into Google to go right to the Joint Committee’s pdf report)

Morality?

November 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

Cooperate? Compromise? That means both sides – right? USA loyalty should go beyond party loyalty but so far it hasn’t. Jay – my offer is still on the table – my house against yours – if the Fed debt is ONE CENT or more lower on the day he leaves office than it is today you get my house – if not I get yours. Ready to sign the papers?

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

‘Rumor is that Patraeus’ girlfriend Miss Broadhill may also be linked to Bill Clinton’

Rumor is Ms Broadhill will be making an appearance in my shower this evening…

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
1:55 pm

“Rumor is that Patraeus’ girlfriend Miss Broadhill may also be linked to Bill Clinton and Congress may investigate ”

Rumor has it that the republican party will disband, instructing all formerly republican legislators to vote based upon coin flips.

Please note that *I* have provided as many links to *my* rumor, as Morality has to his…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
1:55 pm

BOTH

The muslims who do not participate in any current insurance schemes are excempt from penalties for non coverage as a result for Sharia tenet to look askance at insurance and similar risk sharing devices…

I agree my sweeping general comments were exaggerated…as I am learning the majority of those exempt from penalty is mostly based on cost of coverage in relationship to earnings…

I will get you next time you evil super hero dude…:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
2:00 pm

Rumor is that I will win the Oscar for best director.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

Paul, if the cons had a clue and wanted to start making up lost ground, they would blow up the Fox News studios, fire Murdoch (et al, ad nauseum), Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and all of their other fake conservative charlatans that are killing the GOP brand…

Their irrational and insular anger is a no-winner for them anymore. As is their war on sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis.

People love it when bullies get their asses kicked, and that is what we just witnessed last Tuesday…

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

Joey, “I’m not playing your JM Speaks For Others game, and I’m not letting you get away with it. You don’t speak for me or anyone else on here, and you don’t have the right to tell others what they think.” Oh really? Keep reading….

“I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008.” Are you speaking for them, Joe, or did you ask them what they thought?

“I expect several states will do just that.” Do you have any evidence of that or have you spoken to any Governors to lead you to that conclusion or are you speaking for states without their permission?

“It’s pretty clear that you prefer to just make things up,” Don’t recall you asking me anything about my preferences, Joe. Are you attempting to speak for me?

“That’s nice, but that’s not what you said. You said “flatten the tax rates.” I don’t suppose you’re going to ask what he MEANT are you?

“I’m afraid you’ll have to sharpen up your game or else stay in the lower division.” Who gave you the right to make that decision, Joe?

“I bet RB shops at Wal-Mart and gripes because the service is so spitty there.” Speaking for others again, Joe?

You’re an arrogant and bossy little child, Joe. Tossing around rules and regulations here you don’t follow yourself as if anybody really gives a crap about your “demands”. And every time somebody pushes you to back up your phony crap, they get the “divert and dodge” routine from you. Maybe “Joey” would be more appropriate for you, child.

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

Rumor is that SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:05 pm

JamVet

Saw a talking head say words to the effect of “These guys are like the doctor who opens up a patient, sees cancer everywhere, sews him back up and tells the family ‘it’s fine, nothing to worry about.’”

There is a period, though, when bullies are laid out and they’re thinking ‘this couldn’t be happening to me! From him!!! So they get up and get laid out again. Only question is, how long before the dimbulb light comes on?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

They reached an immigration deal if the house will vote for it.

Redcoat

November 12th, 2012
2:08 pm

How do we even know if EVERYBODY is paying their fair share? And someone please define fair…… just because it’s legal doesn’t make it fair…..right?

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
2:13 pm

Ever wonder why republicans. Holding out for what they want is being a politician yet a democrat holding out is doing what’s right for the country ?

I support a compromise but a compromise is when both sides give up something not when republicans just do what democrats say.

With that said the assumption that the budget cannot be balanced without tax increases is BS. It’s what the democrats want to go into negotiations as a factual starting point.

Last times checked you can balance your Budget by simply spending what you take in. As far as reducing the debt, again simple math. Spend less than you take in and apply the difference toward debt reduction.

Don’t know why that’s not the real “simple math”

Guess its because dems don’t really want to reduce anything. Once again you may also consider that all of them work off proposed spending not actual. If they propose 10 trillion in cuts that means they were planning to spend 50 trillion.

Remember the real budget in Washington please

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:13 pm

Redcoat

I think one has to think in terms and ranges. We have a progressive system – the more one makes the more one pays – because a dollar increase to a person of middle means has more value than to a person of extraordinary means.

And when over a thousand people with incomes of a million or more pay no income tax

And when we’ve created a system whereby people who labor for earnings pay a far, far higher rate than people who earn by owning resources

well, that’s the kind of thing people think of when they hear ‘the system is really not very fair.”

Realist

November 12th, 2012
2:18 pm

I have read a lot of these posts and extremely disappointed.Fiirst yes I am a conservative and Yes I voted for Romney and Yes Romney lost. But the serious questions we all have to ask ourselves is not who should pay more taxes but how are we going to pay more taxes, and where is the money oging to come from.

Suppose for a minute you own a business. You work 60,70 or 80 hours a week. You are thinking about your employees, customers, making payroll, paying rent, keeping your business in business 24/7 (and yes this is what business owners do).

Then you get information from our beloved politicians that your you will need to pay the government 20% more in taxes and fees. Your whole business structure changes, your income goes down and the threat of your business going under becomes real.

With these tax and fee hikes the Federal Government has threatened everything YOU have worked for for 20 years (skipped vacations, time spent away from my family, missed paychecks, sleepless nights making payroll, endless 20 hour days, missing kid’s games etc.) by demanding all the new taxes. Now how do you pay for it?

Do YOU raise prices to YOUR Clients (the general public) to make up the diifference?
Do YOU lower YOUR personal standard of living.
Do YOU lay off XX amout of employees to save the others jobs?
Do YOU close your business altogether and layoff all your employees?
DO YOU cut all YOUR employees pay by 20%?

What do you suggest? What decision would you make? That is what every business owner/employer is looking at now. This government has put us all in a situation where we all lose. Maybe not today, but in the near future. Good luck to us all.

The only person you should depend on for your future is YOU. That is what Republican/Conservative principles are. It is not about Abortion, Gay Marriage, entitlements, Welfare etc. Core principles of freedom and independence are that you are responsible for your own future and you have to work hard for it. It will not (and should not) be given to you by any government or intsitution. You need to get it yourself. If the Obama/Liberal supporters worked as hard for getting him re-elected (which I respect, part of American System). If they had put some of that ingenuity toward their own present and future, by filling a need in society, finding a way to make it a product or service that is needed, they could be part of the “lucky” ones to be the EVIL RICH

Yes Elections have concequences, and more importantly there are unintended concequences. These are the ones that are really going to effect your lives. Not who is Speaker of the House, Majoority Leader or even the President, it is the policies that will have an impact oon your daily lives, not today or even 4 years from now, but 20 years from now.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

Mama says

In what areas have Pres Obama and key Democrats said they wouldn’t compromise? Entitlements are on the table.

You really think we can get there from here thru spending cuts?

How? We borrow somewhere around 40% of what we spend. Haven’t you been hearing the howls from Republicans over the sequester cuts for Defense? Those don’t even come CLOSE to 40%. Not even. And with Republicans wanting to take Defense completely off the table, well, Mama Says, if you can figure out how to cut the dollars required to balance the budget they’ll hail you on Capital Hill as the Person of the Century.

So please, try it out here, first, okay?

tyler

November 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

here’s a crazy thought: how about we decrease spending?

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
2:23 pm

I agree with the fair doctrine Paul. But then we have to fight about what’s fair.

The belief that you pay more because you make more is not fair. The belief that you are taxed at the same rate regardless of income, exempting those who make less than 45000, is fair. Anyone who can do math knows that if all deductions are removed and everyone is taxed at 15% we would get more revenue.

The rich would still pay more because 15% of 2 million is a heck of a lot more than 15% of 60,000.

RGB

November 12th, 2012
2:24 pm

God Bless Tom Price. He’s one of the Good Guys!

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:25 pm

Realist

“Then you get information from our beloved politicians that your you will need to pay the government 20% more in taxes and fees.”

You lost me there. How do you increase the top marginal rate from 35% to 39.6% on the after deduction and exemption amount of $380,000 and have that equate to “20% more”?!!?

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
2:26 pm

” The belief that you are taxed at the same rate regardless of income, exempting those who make less than 45000, is fair.”

Mama, would you agree that it is fair, then, to tax all income the same? Capital gains, trust funds, etc.?

Julia

November 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

funny how we can spend like drunken sailors on leave with defense, but heaven help us if we try to look out for those less fortunate.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:28 pm

Mama says

“The belief that you pay more because you make more is not fair. ”

Why not?

Why do you think the wealthy legislators who came up with our tax code made that a bedrock principle?

You may want to go to the far right side of this blog, about halfway down, and read Jay’s archive on the topic. Because it’s rather pointless to extract what’s there and reprint it here.

alex

November 12th, 2012
2:30 pm

@moonbat, the TRUTH is you can’t handle the truth, Just kidding-Agree with you, don’t worry-I’m ok!

Redcoat

November 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

Paul…..some pay no income tax because of legal loopholes……is that fair? Again what do you define as fair?

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

tyler
November 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

here’s a crazy thought: how about we decrease spending?

DUH. that is already happening. How about we also revise taxes to increase revenues?

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

Realist, the reality is, these liberals don’t care where that business owner gets the money to pay the additional taxes as long as they feel like they screwed the man. And when they’re no better off in 5 years because their paycheck is stagnant, goods have gone up 8-10%, and they’ve been cut to 30 hr weeks to get under the “full time” employee mark, they’ll start whining for the next “screw the man” tax plan.

How long do you have to be on welfare before you stop being poor?

Moon Mullins

November 12th, 2012
2:32 pm

When 400 people have as much wealth as the bottom 150,000,000 in this country, it’s going to be a pretty easy sell for the President to go before the American People and suggest the wealthy put a little addional “shared sacrifice” in the kitty.

And, the Republicans are going to look pretty silly defending these overbearing oligarchs — the myth about lower taxes for the wealthy and job creation has run its course.

The salvation of the Republican Party will not be in a failed strategy of doubling down on a rabidly conservative posture, but to APPEAR LIKE RATIONAL AMERICANS WHO CARE MORE ABOUT THE COUNTRY THAN GROVER NORQUIST OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION.

To do outherwise, will make them look petty, petulant and intransigent. And, the POTUS WILL POINT THIS OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
2:33 pm

“these liberals don’t care where that business owner gets the money to pay the additional taxes as long as they feel like they screwed the man”
===============
It must be horrible to live in your head…

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
2:36 pm

“The salvation of the Republican Party will not be in a failed strategy of doubling down on a rabidly conservative posture, but to APPEAR LIKE RATIONAL AMERICANS WHO CARE MORE ABOUT THE COUNTRY THAN GROVER NORQUIST OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION.’

Yeah, like THAT will ever happen!

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
2:38 pm

Paul it took 50 years to build this debt. We can’t pay it down overnight.

I will tell you how we do it.

We cut defense spending by 50%, we cut non essential support for all the arts, we end all loopholes and deductions, we apply a flat tax rate to everyone (personal) around 15% and a flat tax rate on business around 20%. AGAIN NO DEDUCTIONS.

We amend the constitution to require that each year congress pass a balanced budget (don’t think the democrats have passed a budget under Obama much less a balanced one and we require by law that the government cannot borrow more than 1% of the revenue raised.

Lastly we require that surplus which would result in these efforts go to debt reduction.

Hell as a con I would be open to raising the tax on the very rich to 50% for 4years but only for 4. If you really believe we cannot balance the budget and pay off the debt with all the revenue we have then it should also be a law that accountants have to submit the budgets yearly instead of our reps. Since our reps are going to bankrupt us.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:40 pm

Redcoat

“Paul…..some pay no income tax because of legal loopholes”

I made that point earlier.

It seems to me you don’t want to read Jay’s archive because it might cause you to question your premise and adjust your thinking, so you want to relitigate it on these pages.

Not interested when I can read the same arguments and answers in the archive.

Jay

November 12th, 2012
2:40 pm

That’s a ridiculous bet, Morality. Just by offering it, you reveal a lack of info and understanding about the debt.

Let’s look at the math, shall we, because even a Republican pollster would comprehend just how flawed your case really is:

The projected deficit for fiscal 2013, already underway, is $900 billion. So if I were to win your bet — “if the Fed debt is ONE CENT or more lower on the day he leaves office than it is today” — the budget for the next three fiscal years would have to show an average SURPLUS of $300 billion to offset the deficit for this year alone.

That is not going to happen, and it would not happen in a government under President Mitt Romney, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Grover Norquist. It is absolutely ridiculous to even pretend it is feasible.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
2:42 pm

Julia:
funny how we can spend like drunken sailors on leave with defense, but heaven help us if we try to look out for those less fortunate.

It wasn’t spent, it was borrowed.
(not to worry, your grandkids will take care of it)
Thank them fiscally responsible Republicans.

Six years ago, “it was standard practice not to pay for things,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.
“We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
2:43 pm

…even a Republican pollster would comprehend just how flawed…

OH SNAP!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ol' Timer

November 12th, 2012
2:44 pm

Jack Price reminds me that “Ninety percent of all politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.” ~Henry Kissinger

We are afflicted with too many politicians and too few statesmen.

I was reading last night about how Orin Hatch and Ted Kennedy — two totally opposite personalities and backgrounds — worked together to accomplish great things for the country and developed a deep and abiding friendship.

Compromise is a dirty word — now it’s capitulation — unconditional surrender and this is bad for the country and ultimately anathema for the political parties leading to “a pox on both of your houses!”

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
2:45 pm

Paul @ 1:53

None of that will penetrate the echo chamber though.

:)

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
2:49 pm

Julia, “but heaven help us if we try to look out for those less fortunate.”

Why are this nations “less fortunate” less fortunate? Be honest and that is a serious question. Why are they poor?

Jefferson

November 12th, 2012
2:49 pm

Progressive rates are fair and they need to be raised.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
2:49 pm

Well, sounds like we’re getting there. I always did say Mr. Burns and Scrooge McDuck were misunderstood real bad.

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
2:51 pm

‘Why are they poor?’

I’d like to hear your version…

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
2:51 pm

“Why are this nations “less fortunate” less fortunate? Be honest and that is a serious question. Why are they poor?”

Well, I know many that lost their jobs due to the financial meltdown. Why do you ask?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
2:52 pm

Mama says

Any Defense cuts… any… are a nonstarter for Congressional Republicans. We can advocate all we want, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Balance budgets don’t work to well in wartime. Heck, the previous administration didn’t even want to record any of the expenses.

But I applaud your willingness as a conservative to advance ideas your Party largely rejects. I’d urge you to run for Congress, but unfortunately, your Party would never let you get out of the gate, let alone past a primary fight.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
2:52 pm

Remember the War on Women?

Looks like the women are hitting back… no fair!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/planned-parenthood-sues-oklahoma-wic-funding-17700559#.UKFSd2fhcTR

Planned Parenthood is suing the head of the Oklahoma Department of Health over the agency’s decision to withdraw federal funding for three clinics in the Tulsa area that provide food and nutritional counseling to low-income mothers.

more like this, please.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
2:52 pm

Where the dems go wrong in this math is simple. You decide policy on the source of the money rather than the abject application of policy.

In other words you think fairness is taking more because they have it rather than making sure the government treats us all the same.

Why do you advocate equal rights for everyone and then go against that same principle in tax policy ?

Any republican that agrees to a cut in defense spending in order to pay the debt has compromised since we believe that alone is the core reason for the Federal Governments existence.

To insist that a reduction in entitlement spending is compromise is ludicrous, it’s actually a continuance in an unconstitutional mandate.

Only the government can pass laws that say its ok to take my money so it can give the money to someone else and then rule it to be constitutional.

You think a reduction is entitlement spending is a compromise ?

I say follow the constitution and only do what it says the federal government can do. I don’t see anything about impounding money for welfare or social security. You guys have just made that accepted policy, it’s not as they say –constitutional.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

even a Republican pollster would comprehend just how flawed…

OH SNAP!

Ditto! Or Hehhehe…..

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

I will tell you how we do it.

We cut defense spending by 50%, we cut non essential support for all the arts, we end all loopholes and deductions, we apply a flat tax rate to everyone (personal) around 15% and a flat tax rate on business around 20%. AGAIN NO DEDUCTIONS.

No Republican will ever agree to that because

#1 If they’re whining about the defense cuts under the sequester, they will have a Grand Mal over a 50% cut.

#2 If they’re whining about Obama’s tax plan now, they will not agree to a 20% business tax rate with no deductions as that will be a huge tax increase on many of the mega corporations.

As to a balanced budget amendment, why should that be a factor? As it currently reads, Congress isn’t required to pass ANY budget by law.

Just my $.02 to the discussion, but I understand where you’re coming from. Me personally, I’d go a different route and incrementally undo every tax cut and spending increase we’ve done over the past 30 – 40 years until we get a grip on things. We slowly got ourselves into this mess, and it will take the same process in reverse to get out of it. I don’t think any other idea will work.

Redcoat

November 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

Paul……In your opinion are tax rates fair now? Do you think our government spending and borrowing has to be slowed?

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
2:57 pm

Any republican that agrees to a cut in defense spending in order to pay the debt has compromised since we believe that alone is the core reason for the Federal Governments existence

We need a constitutional amendment, something like “separation of Defense from Offense”

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
2:59 pm

As they become more insular, more regional and less inclusive, it would appear that the GOP’s Nixon/Southern Strategy is really starting to come back and bite them in the ass…

4 More!

November 12th, 2012
3:00 pm

republicans—keep making the same mistakes—the democrats have hispanics and women in their pocket, and will win easily again in 2016! Hillary or Joe—in a landslide!!!

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:01 pm

I generally agree Bro,

But the current climate will not allow for incremental efforts. I believe we need to do it in one shot. If we can do it at all we need to do it all.

By the way the reason moderates get pushed out is because non of us are truly moderates.

We say we are but given the option of Chambliss and Price I, like the libs on this blog would take Chambliss but given the option of Chambliss and Harry Reid, I would still be with Chambliss and the libs would vote for Reid.

Moderates can only win if both parties support them

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Progressive rates are fair and they need to be raised.”

Jefferson, how many more actual dollars are YOU willing to send to the feds to do your part? Real numbers, please.

MiltonMan

November 12th, 2012
3:03 pm

“Tom Price’s days are numbered as a political figure, even in Georgia. He is of the past. Georgia had the highest number of votes for Barack Obama – immediately behind North Carolina – of those Red states who chose Romney. Georgia is in a process of moving toward the future, not remaining in the past, where Rep. Price resides.”

There is not one democrat in this whole state who could win the 6th district – none.

alex

November 12th, 2012
3:03 pm

To all, what is the purpose of taxes: I suppose they are for defense, , roads, various other buracracies that we may be able to share equally,Does the person paving 20% of income in taxes use twice the resources that the person paying 10% of their income in taxes? Why is paying more fair. Because they can , then fair?. Mabye it’s morally right and they should do it to help their less fortunate brother, but is that fair?………

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:06 pm

Joe Biden will never be our next president and the libs know that. What will it do to your party when you tell the 8 year sitting VP that you want Hillary ?

He will expect uncompromised support from the left, as a con I hope you give it to him.

And how can any of you libs take this election as a mandate ? Seriously. Obama won by 2 points. Most every battle ground state was even and we kept the house. Where is this butt whipping that you guys put on us ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
3:06 pm

AmVet, I don’t think the GOP is ready to abandon their strategy completely. There appears to be a renewed consideration of changing how electoral votes are awarded in some of the key swing states away from the winner take all approach. And with the Supreme Ct taking up the Voting Rights Act, the battle is far from over on voter suppression.

independent thinker

November 12th, 2012
3:07 pm

Happy Veterans Day all you cons whose leader dissed the veterans. Probably because there has never been a veteran in five generations of Romneys. I hope the disabled veterans remember which party put them in the 47% category and wrote them off as moochers and could not give them a shout out at its convention.
Maybe Queen Anne will join Michelle and Jill Biden in raising funds for veterans and their families. Of course I am sure she is very busy meeting with he accountants, managing those millions made on the auto bailout through her million dollar investment in Delphi, the car elevator design and that horse.Any way only socialists throw government money at veterans- what have they contributed to our economy?Any business man would fire them withh all those excuse about stress and brain trauma- who needs it.
Yeah let’s cut the veteran’s benefits along withe old folks at least 10% so rich folks can keep generating all those jobs they are offering now that Obama is reelected.

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
3:07 pm

“But the current climate will not allow for incremental efforts. I believe we need to do it in one shot. If we can do it at all we need to do it all.”

Mama, I sympathize, but disagree, and I’ll tell you why.

The “patient” that is the US economy is getting stronger as time passes, but we still have to worry about a “double dip” recession. We want to reduce spending and increase revenues at a slow enought rate to keep the economy improving. When we are back to “normal” levels of economic activity, we can cut away, and solve this thing – until then, easy does it.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 12th, 2012
3:08 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:09 pm

RB — ““I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008.” Are you speaking for them, Joe, or did you ask them what they thought?”

Precisely what I said, RB. I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008. (laughing, pointing) :D

“I expect several states will do just that.” Do you have any evidence of that or have you spoken to any Governors to lead you to that conclusion or are you speaking for states without their permission?”

Silly RB. Where did I indicate that I was speaking for any Governor, Governors, state or states? (giggling) :D

“It’s pretty clear that you prefer to just make things up,” Don’t recall you asking me anything about my preferences, Joe. Are you attempting to speak for me?”

I don’t need to, RB. You have as much opportunity as anyone else here to ask other posters to clarify or extend their comments, yet you *never* do it. You could easily ask others to explain their positions, yet you *never* do it. You simply leap to unwarranted conclusions and then *demand* that others respond to your arguments as if your versions of what they said were somehow representative of the truth. And when you’re *confronted* on it, you argue, complain and play the wounded, as if you somehow have the unquestioned right to speak for others who are *right here.*

So yeah, RB. I’m speaking for you — the same way you have *repeatedly* spoken for me and for others. And if you don’t like it, then perhaps you should stop doing it yourself. (chuckling) :D

“That’s nice, but that’s not what you said. You said “flatten the tax rates.” I don’t suppose you’re going to ask what he MEANT are you?”

I didn’t presume to speak for him in the way that you presumed to speak for me, RB. I pointed out what he said, whereas *you’ve* done no such thing. (laughing) :D

“I’m afraid you’ll have to sharpen up your game or else stay in the lower division.” Who gave you the right to make that decision, Joe?

I did. I have every right to determine who *I* choose to speak to here, RB. And *you* have *no* right to determine who I speak to here.

“I bet RB shops at Wal-Mart and gripes because the service is so spitty there.” Speaking for others again, Joe?”

Nope. That’s called “conjecture.” Maybe you’ve heard of it? (laughing, pointing) :D

“You’re an arrogant and bossy little child, Joe.”

And you’re a sad, ignorant and manipulative little person, RB. (cackling with glee) :D

“Tossing around rules and regulations here”

Silly, silly RB. I don’t make rules or regulations here, and neither do you. I *will,* however, gladly point out when you misrepresent what I or others say. (giggling) ;D

“you don’t follow yourself”

I absolutely *do* follow them. Certainly far better than *you* do. :D

“as if anybody really gives a crap about your “demands”.

You think anyone cares about *yours*? Do you think anyone really cares what *you* have to say when the best you’ve ever been able to do is lie and misrepresent what others have said and then DEMAND that they answer you to your satisfaction? (snickering) :D

Oh, boy, do YOU ever need a good close look at yourself in the mirror, RB. (laughing) :D

And every time somebody pushes you to back up your phony crap”

Like the “phony crap” you made up for me this morning, RB? Why would I “back up” something I didn’t say and didn’t think? Why would I “back up” words that *you* put in my mouth?

“they get the “divert and dodge” routine from you.”

Waaah! Joe won’t agree to the statements I made up for him! (laughing, pointing) :D

If you were actually a *man,* you’d ask me what I thought instead of shoving words in my mouth and demanding I answer your questions about them. BTW, RB. those are called “have you stopped beating your wife questions.” So, RB — have you stopped beating your wife? A simple yes or no will do just fine. (giggling) :D

“Maybe “Joey” would be more appropriate for you, child.”

Better to be a child than a dishonest, disreputable and intemperate person like you, RB. :D

alex

November 12th, 2012
3:10 pm

4 more, think Rubio, The more the dems think they have a group in their pocket, the less they pay attention to them and the smaller that pocket becomes;go on get confident, Gingrich WAS……

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:10 pm

Finn, no way I’m signing that… unless you figure out a way for us to keep Austin.

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
3:10 pm

“And how can any of you libs take this election as a mandate ? Seriously. Obama won by 2 points.”

Mama, Obama won about 62% of the vote (in the electoral college, the only place that matters). What percentage would he have to achieve before you agree that he has a mandate?

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:11 pm

The progressive tax policy is stealing pure and simple. There is nothing fair about taking more from someone simply because its there to take.

Never will be

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

Obama won by 2 points.

No you are looking at the wrong stat, Mama.

The final score was 336 – 202.

A 68% to 32% win for BHO.

The two point differential you cite is as meaningless as the Time of Possession stat!

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
3:13 pm

LOL Finn. You only need 24,999 more signatures.I’ll bet with a little bit of advertising you can get the 25,000 needed.

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
3:13 pm

Tundra Dude: Any republican that agrees to a cut in defense spending in order to pay the debt has compromised since we believe that alone is the core reason for the Federal Governments existence

Well, how about we increase taxes to pay for the wars we’ve been in? Would you agree to paying for Defense that we have?

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
3:13 pm

Yikes, my bad. Reg is correct.

Make that a 62 – 38 win for Obama…

fair and balanced

November 12th, 2012
3:14 pm

Mama says- “”"”"”"”And how can any of you libs take this election as a mandate ? Seriously. Obama won by 2 points. Most every battle ground state was even and we kept the house. Where is this butt whipping that you guys put on us ?”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
Obama 2012- 232 Electoral votes
George W 2004- 284 EVs after stealing Ohio
And how many Senate seats did the GOP pick up?

Joe Biden made junior the liar look like a total fool in the debates; He’s got more experience than both of the clowns who ran against Biden and Obama. Great American.
That sreet fighter from Scranton and ole Bill the ex-president turned this election around from one where the odds were completely against Obama to a mandate. Deal with it.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
3:14 pm

Oh and don’t forget, Vets eat for free at Golden Corral tonight from 4 til close……..

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

There is nothing fair about giving more to someone simply because its there to give.

End the loopholes, shelters, tax dodges and sweetheart deals for the 1%.

You and I don’t get them, neither should they.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

I. Thinker — “I hope the disabled veterans remember which party put them in the 47% category and wrote them off as moochers and could not give them a shout out at its convention.”

Oh, we do. Don’t worry about that. Disabled veterans pay *very* close attention to how both parties treat us.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:16 pm

Ok if you feel it’s a mandate, it’s a mandate.

Please ignore the popular vote, you do so at your own demise.

When Bush got in on the electoral vote a lot of folks were pissed. To try and say you have a mandate when 50 million voted against you is a mistake.

But I am just a bums racist con from Georgia what do I know

Jefferson

November 12th, 2012
3:18 pm

Clinton rates are just fine with me, jack.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
3:18 pm

Winning the electoral college and the popular vote.

IOAMIYAR? Its only a mandate if you’re a republican (see Bush)

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
3:18 pm

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
2:51 pm
‘Why are they poor?’

I’d like to hear your version…”

Is it that you CAN’T answer the question or are you afraid to have a conversation about the realities of what’s making people poor? Just answer the question.

Unemployment is a factor, but we do have unemployment insurance to help with that and I really don’t think that’s what was meant by the poster when she referred to the “less fortunate”.

flagboy?

November 12th, 2012
3:20 pm

“Threat-focused Iran launches “biggest ever” air drills” (via FOX NEWS)

“Iran launched military drills across half the country on Monday, warning it would act against aggressors less than a week after Washington accused Iranian warplanes of firing on a U.S. drone.

The manoeuvres take place this week across 850,000 square kilometres (330,000 square miles) of Iran’s northeast, east, and southeast regions, Iranian media reported.

About 8,000 elite and regular army troops will participate, backed by bombers and fighter planes, while missile, artillery and surveillance systems will be tested, they said.”

oh yay!

alex

November 12th, 2012
3:20 pm

Indepenent thinker, you are about as independent as a welfare receipient on life support, sheeesh—ouch, UGLY and MEAN……

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
3:20 pm

The popular vote for POTUS is not irrelevant. Just so when scoreboard watching…

You can thank the Founding Fathers!

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:21 pm

Redcoat

“…In your opinion are tax rates fair now?”

No

” Do you think our government spending and borrowing has to be slowed?”

Yes

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:21 pm

Stealing when cons win, the people’s choice when libs win. Ain’t it funny ?

Hey guys when you can have a logical conversation about the 47 % let me know.

We all know what was said and we all know what the libs are saying he meant. Just because you apply your meaning doesn’t make it so.

How much time did Obama spend in he south and Midwest trying to get the white male vote ? Humm he must have discounted it because he knew they weren’t voting for him.

Yet somehow that is different.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:23 pm

Mama Says — “Please ignore the popular vote, you do so at your own demise. When Bush got in on the electoral vote a lot of folks were pissed. To try and say you have a mandate when 50 million voted against you is a mistake.”

Obama received both a greater proportion of the popular vote AND a greater percentage of the popular vote — as well as a larger numerical margin — than Bush did in his “mandate” of 2004.

If it was a “mandate” in 2004, as President Bush claimed in that year, then we have no less of a mandate today for President Obama.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:26 pm

RB — “Is it that you CAN’T answer the question or are you afraid to have a conversation about the realities of what’s making people poor?”

Why can’t he have a *different* reason than the two you’re thinking of?

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
3:27 pm

Logical D
Sorry, forgot to attribute that to Mama.

Well, how about we increase taxes to pay for the wars we’ve been in?
Send the bills to Big Oil and assorted crony capitalists, KBR and such.

Would you agree to paying for Defense that we have?
Only a small portion is needed for defense.
Let Big Oil, and the Big Banks (they’d just Love to entrap Iran into their Web of Debt)
hire their own military.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:27 pm

If it was a “mandate” in 2004, as President Bush claimed in that year

I don’t think he actually called it a mandate. I do know he claimed he earned “political capital” and that he was going to “spend it.” relive those fabulous days, won’t you?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=653831n

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:27 pm

Do what Bush did then.

It worked out wonderfully.

But I do get your point. Again it isn’t a mandate. The country is e envy split. That’s why neither party can govern, they don’t understand that. They think everything is a mandate.

Again I say the libs should go with their gut, if its a mandate to them govern accordingly, please.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

A grassroots campaign for Macy’s to end their association with Donald Trump has caught fire. Nearly 400,000 people have added their name to a petition on Signon.org for Macy’s, which exclusively sells Trump’s clothing line and fragrance, to dump the controversial businessman.

Hmmmm, he may need to keep his $5 million. :lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:29 pm

Mama Says — “How much time did Obama spend in he south and Midwest trying to get the white male vote ?”

Quite a bit. Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin — he made multiple stops in those Midwestern states and several others.

I agree, not many stops in the South (I think only once in GA), but the President was all over the Midwest this election cycle.

independent thinker

November 12th, 2012
3:31 pm

If only we had elected a businessman who understands capitalism and not a communist community organizer. Here is a prime example of how bizness is supposed to work in good ole USA:

“”"”"”"”"”"”"The Nation discovered that, in the two weeks immediately following the announcement of the Delphi jobs-saving plan, Paul Singer, Romney’s partner, secretly bought up over a billion dollars of old Delphi bonds for pennies on the dollar.
Singer and partners now controlled the company – and killed the return of Delphi to GM.
These facts were revealed in a sworn deposition of Delphi’s Chief Financial Officer John Sheehan, confidential, but now released on the Web.
Sheehan said, under oath, that these speculators threatened to withhold key parts (steering columns), from GM. This would have brought the auto maker to its knees, immediately forcing GM’s permanent closure.
The extortion worked. The government money that was supposed to go to save jobs went to Singer’s hedge fund, Elliott Management Corporation and its partners, including the Romneys.
Once Singer’s crew took control of Delphi, they rapidly completed the move to China, sticking the US taxpayers with the bill for the pensions of the Delphi workers cut loose.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
The Nation discovered that, in the two weeks immediately following the announcement of the Delphi jobs-saving plan, Paul Singer, Romney’s partner, secretly bought up over a billion dollars of old Delphi bonds for pennies on the dollar.
Singer and partners now controlled the company – and killed the return of Delphi to GM.
These facts were revealed in a sworn deposition of Delphi’s Chief Financial Officer John Sheehan, confidential, but now released on the Web.
Sheehan said, under oath, that these speculators threatened to withhold key parts (steering columns), from GM. This would have brought the auto maker to its knees, immediately forcing GM’s permanent closure.
The extortion worked. The government money that was supposed to go to save jobs went to Singer’s hedge fund, Elliott Management Corporation and its partners, including the Romneys.
Once Singer’s crew took control of Delphi, they rapidly completed the move to China, sticking the US taxpayers with the bill for the pensions of the Delphi workers cut loose.

http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/12273-romney-company-shipped-every-single-delphi-uaw-job-to-china

And none of this was disclosed by Romney. But he would never do anything to harm the auto industry or take money from the guvmint would he?
Maybe the voters were smarter than everyone thinks.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
3:31 pm

Wow, Joey, that just amazing. Everybody who read that crap knows you do here EXACTLY what you’ve been whining at me for all day, I present the evidence to you in your own words, and you post yet another screed of BS denying EVERYTHING. Don’t do as Joey does, everybody, do as little childish Joes SAYS.

Here little Joey, I’ll throw you a bone… Why did little Joey post something about CNG/LP vehicles in the first place? What was your point supposed to be? Speak for yourself, Joey, or STFU.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:31 pm

SfD — “I don’t think he actually called it a mandate. I do know he claimed he earned “political capital” and that he was going to “spend it.”

You are right; I stand corrected. Apparently it was VP Cheney who used the word “mandate.”

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

Tundra Dude

“Any republican that agrees to a cut in defense spending in order to pay the debt has compromised since we believe that alone is the core reason for the Federal Governments existence”

Is more better?

Nothing in DoD is wasted or out of whack with priorities?

_______________________________

alex

“4 more, think Rubio,”

What experience does he have to be President?

______________________________________________________

stands

” no way I’m signing that… unless you figure out a way for us to keep Austin.”

Thanks! Good call!

_____________________________________________________

Mama says 3;11

You’re not gonna read Jay’s archive, are you? It’s all about having a forum, not about learning anything or having your views challenged, eh?

You may want to wait for Ben Shockley to show up. You two will get along swimmingly.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

Tundra,

Taxes are taxes they are raised by taking money from the people. If you don’t like what republicans did don’t vote for them.

But then again it’s not that you don’t like the wars not being on the books you just wanted to spend it on other things.

Obama ran his entire campaign saying that the wars were ending and now he could use that money to spend here at home.

If you were concerned about budgets you would ask the libs why they have to spend the very money that they complained about Bush spending.

Wouldn’t it be better to spend that money to lower the debt ? That Obama said was unpatriotic

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

it was VP Cheney who used the word “mandate.”

but he was talking about his abandoned wishes for Mary Cheney.

(ducking and running)

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
3:34 pm

“Me personally, I’d go a different route and incrementally undo every tax cut and spending increase we’ve done over the past 30 – 40 years until we get a grip on things. ”

But that’s not any more fair than something like a flat tax…because on a % basis, middle and lower class wages have essentially remained stagnant, while upper class income has increased exponentially. To simply undo the past tax cuts would be to increase the burden on those not in the upper 1% disproportionately

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:35 pm

Paul I can barely keep up with the point counter point.

I will read it though.

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
3:38 pm

‘Is it that you CAN’T answer the question or are you afraid to have a conversation about the realities of what’s making people poor? Just answer the question.’

Sure. Some people are born into poverty, some people make bad decisions, some people are lazy, some people work their butts off their whole life and never escape poverty, some people lose their job and cannot find work, some people have health issues and do not have insurance, some people try to start and business and lose everything, some people have learning disabilities, some people grew up in broken/dysfunctional homes, some people have substance abuse, some people have a special needs child or family member they care for, some people are stupid…

I could go on, but you get the point…your turn.

DannyX

November 12th, 2012
3:39 pm

Funny how that mandate Republicans thought they got after the 2010 election only lasted 2 short years!

Obviously the American people didn’t like what they saw.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:40 pm

Paul I am trying to find it. When you say read his archives what/where are you referring to

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:41 pm

That’s why I say the dems will follow the same fate Danny

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
3:41 pm

Paul: I forgot to attribute that to Mama.

“Any republican that agrees to a cut in defense spending in order to pay the debt has compromised since we believe that alone is the core reason for the Federal Governments existence”

Mary Elizabeth

November 12th, 2012
3:42 pm

“There is not one democrat in this whole state who could win the 6th district – none.”
—————————————————————————–

You are correct if you look only at today. But,, today has a way of changing into tomorrow. Even the demographics in the 6th district will change in time – just as they did in DeKalb County from 1975 to 1985.. Huge change in demographics there in that time frame. Even Forsyth County has changed over time – and will continue to change as the years, and perceptions, change.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:43 pm

Mama says

Great!

I withdraw the content and tone of my 3:33.

They are quite interesting. Lots of items below the surface of what looks like a good idea. Happens a lot.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:46 pm

Mama says

On the right side of my screen the recent posts are listed.

Below that are archives.

Below that are More from around the Web and Blogroll.

Below that is the Fair Tax Archive.

Same principles and concepts apply to Flat Tax, near as I can tell.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:47 pm

Paul first of all you don’t have to withdraw anything, it’s a political blog, we are gonna argue, it’s not meant to be personal.

We’re you telling me to read all his archived stuff or one specific one ?

alex

November 12th, 2012
3:47 pm

@ Paul: you are such an easy mark, -more than Obama in 2008- too easy…….

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:48 pm

Tundra

Kinda wondered why you’d post that.

Mama

Defense – dig into it a bit, you’ll find a lot of overlap and program costs skyrocketing and antiquated programs and all sorts of things. When you’ve got a 600 and some odd billion dollar exercise it’s pretty much assumed there’s gonna be some areas that can be cut.

Especially in a government program.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:49 pm

RB — “Wow, Joey, that just amazing. Everybody who read that crap knows you do here EXACTLY what you’ve been whining at me for all day,”

Of course not, RB. You don’t speak for anyone except yourself. (laughing) :D

“I present the evidence to you in your own words”

You didn’t *present* any evidence, RB. You just jumped to a lot of mistaken conclusions that I easily refuted and debunked. Once again, sonny, *you* don’t get to determine what *anyone else* means.

“and you post yet another screed of BS denying EVERYTHING.”

Well, I can’t very well *agree* with you when you’re full of bullspit, RB. (giggling) :D

“Don’t do as Joey does, everybody, do as little childish Joes SAYS.”

Yes, RB. That’s right. You would be very well served by doing as I tell you — including dropping the namecalling, by being polite and by behaving in an adult manner. That’s absolutely right.

NOW you’re getting it. (giggling) :D

“Here little Joey, I’ll throw you a bone…”

What was that about a ‘little bone,’ RB? TMI, son, TMI. Better keep that to yourself. (snickering) :D

“Why did little Joey post something about CNG/LP vehicles in the first place? What was your point supposed to be?”

Firstly, your initial post on this thread contained a great deal of presumptuous bulldada about ‘liberals wanting to punish successful people.’ And you moved pretty quickly to the name-calling, dismissing and gainsaying (as your normally do). But then you got snotty about the price of diesel vs. gas and how much more important the price of diesel was — and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two. So I posted the photo of the UPS tractor-trailer filling up at an LNG station for you.

There aren’t many organizations that can even *approach* the sheer amount of point-to-point freight UPS moves and delivers in a day — and they’re using *less and less* diesel in their fleet. They use JP1 and JP4 in their aircraft. They use LNG in *many* of their delivery trucks. And now they’re even using LNG in their tractor-trailer fleet. So what we have here, RB, is one of the biggest freight companies in the world working towards getting *off* diesel and onto other fuels, and that flies right in the face of your nasty comment of this morning.

Quite frankly, given how nasty and mean to others you tend to be, I thought you deserved a nice quick b-slap on that topic this morning. And that’s why you received that post.

I didn’t make *any* comment about how much of their fleet uses other fuels. I didn’t make *any* comment about them not using diesel at all. And I didn’t make *any* comment about diesel being some sort of endangered fuel source or anything like that. I just wanted to point out to you that one of the biggest freight haulers in the world DISAGREES with you, RB.

You needn’t be a jerk in making your points. In fact, I think you’d enjoy it here more if you chilled the eff out. You might even find that we agree on quite a few things. Then again, if you’re going to keep up the Captain Cardiac act, I’ll gladly keep poking at your for fun. :D

“Speak for yourself, Joey, or STFU.”

Spoken. And now *you* STFU, Richard.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

Long as we’re comparing man dates: about 126 million voted this year; 90 million voted in the 2010 mid-terms.

(And, yes, 132 million voted in 2008, so I guess we should all be mindful of the depressed turnout this time around before we go assuming stuff.)

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

JamVet, “You and I don’t get them, neither should they.”

What tax deductions do the 1% get that you and I are not entitled to? Be specific.

And how about an actual answer this time. You dodged the one from this morning with your made up lie about tax incentives for moving jobs off shore. You can post that too if you want since you’ve been waiting for somebody to ask.

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

But the current climate will not allow for incremental efforts. I believe we need to do it in one shot. If we can do it at all we need to do it all.

I disagree with that. Doing it incrementally allows for the economy to assist in lowering the deficit and debt. Doing it all at once can end up triggering a recession and wipe out any improvement we have made so far.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm

probably should’ve provided a source for my numbers @ 3.50: here ’tis.

http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm

M. Says — “But then again it’s not that you don’t like the wars not being on the books you just wanted to spend it on other things.”

No. We were actually experiencing modest budget *surpluses* at the end of the Clinton Administration. I would have liked to have seen those surpluses go directly toward retiring national debt.

josef

November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm

Here’s a good chance for the GOP to signal a move back to, at least, something resembling sanity. Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers represents the Fifth District of Washington, an area known for being the antithesis of the Evergreen State “west of the mountains,” conservative but rational. It just goes to show how far off the deep end the GOP has swung when their representative would be considered “moderate.”

Price? Oy to the max!

mm

November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

I see the cons still have not found reality. What a surprise.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
3:54 pm

Mama:
Taxes are taxes they are raised by taking money from the people. If you don’t like what republicans did don’t vote for them.
But then again it’s not that you don’t like the wars not being on the books you just wanted to spend it on other things.

Oh, thanks, didn’t know you were a Mind Controller.
(left to my own feeble mind, I’d just keep the money for myself)

I sure as heck don’t want to feed (R)ed Pigs:

Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth
http://bloom.bg/UfnErV

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm

I will read them.

But in general we should avoid the labels, I agree. It’s hard sometimes though.

I say something someone else says something. Then I am a racist and they are socialist. We al, need to take a breath.

When I was younger I voted about half and half. Now I will never vote for a democrat. I am very middle class have a sick wife and kids so the democratic position on a lot of things sound good.

I just can’t stand being called a racists if I don’t agree with Obama, a chauvinist if I don’t agree. With Hillary and a rich man when I am struggling. It’s democratic hyperbole that really turns me off. I know we are wrong on some issues but the take from give to approach is not how I was raised and III can’t buy into it. Not until they spend all of our money as if they care about it as if its their own

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm

alex

You did not answer the question of what experience Rubio has to be president.

Or do the arguments Republicans used against Obama in 2008 not apply to Rubio?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

Mama says

Thanks, but I think some protocols should govern how one interacts. I try to have to only time to come across as dismissive is when a blogger is being obdurate.

mm

November 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

If republicans are so damn smart, why didn’t they see the Obama landslide coming?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Mama says

“We’re you telling me to read all his archived stuff or one specific one ?”

I was referencing the Fair Tax archive, since it seemed to deal with many of the points you were making.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Tundra,

I am going by the comments that Obama made. He is the same man who some now say has a mandate.

I am reading your post and the votes. He won based on spending the money at home. Didn’t he ?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:59 pm

M. Says — ” I am very middle class have a sick wife and kids so the democratic position on a lot of things sound good.”

I don’t know how old you are; are you in a position to take advantage of Medicaid or Medicare? Or do you have coverage through your employer?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:01 pm

Mama says

My take is the racist labeling went out a long time ago. Except for a few who can’t think who use that as the way to answer anything they can’t answer rationally.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:01 pm

SUE ELLEN
“Even Forsyth County has changed over time – and will continue to change as the years, and perceptions, change.”

EVEN? Why that “even…?” Tacky, just plain tacky…

DannyX

November 12th, 2012
4:02 pm

“That’s why I say the dems will follow the same fate Danny”

Mama, Republicans were unwilling to compromise when they thought they had that 2010 mandate. They certainly don’t have anything close to a mandate now and are still saying the same things they were prior to the election. The ball is in their court but they still don’t want to play.

With the upcoming expiration of the Bush tax cuts and sequestration it really doesn’t matter who has the mandate. Democrats can do nothing now forcing Republicans to come to the table in good faith by letting the tax cuts expire and sequestration take effect. Another bargaining chip Democrats have is the estate tax cuts that are also expiring, Republicans would absolutely hate to see them expire.

Democrats don’t need a mandate, they have all the power they need. They also have the backing of most Americans, exit polls showed majority support for a tax increase on the rich.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:04 pm

mm — “If republicans are so damn smart, why didn’t they see the Obama landslide coming?”

I think it was the Republican echo chamber. I think they conned themselves into believing the ‘unskewed’ poll numbers.

As it turns out, the Romney campaign — somewhere along the line — bought into the whole ‘unskewing’ argument, so when they were claiming that they were going to win in the last few days of the election, they apparently *believed* it because they were looking at the ‘unskewed’
poll numbers.

The whole notion of oversampling has been overblown. If you take an *absolutely* random sample, you can mathematically derive the Margin of Error — which *already accounts* for any possible oversampling. But what the ‘unskewers’ did was this:

Let’s say that XYZ Polling Firm came out with a poll a week before the election showing Obama up 2% in Ohio and dead even in Florida. Let’s also say that the poll ‘oversampled’ Democrats by 6%. The Romney campaign would then *shift* the poll figures by that much — thereby showing Romney up 4% in Ohio and up 6% in Florida.

No wonder they thought they were going to win.

No wonder they took the loss so hard.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:05 pm

Paul,

Obdurate, really ?

I told you I am a con, why would you use a big word like that with me ?

Now I have to look that up also

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

I just can’t stand being called a racists if I don’t agree with Obama, a chauvinist if I don’t agree. With Hillary and a rich man when I am struggling

Seems to me you have a problem with hearing based on your perceptions of why you were “called a racist” at the same time being very toned deaf to women being called sluts.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

mm

What “landslide?” Look at the popular vote, that was no landslide. Just a few votes in a few key states, and the EC “landslide” would have looked quite different.

The only “landslide” these election returns show is a landslide for the “Who-Gives-a-Sh*t”Party of the non voters…

godless heathen

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

exit polls showed majority support for a tax increase on the rich.

Two wolves and a goat voted on what is to be for dinner.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:07 pm

Whine some more little Joey. Your comments all day long speak for you.

“and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two. So I posted the photo of the UPS tractor-trailer filling up at an LNG station for you”

You’ll have to get up a little earlier tomorrow, Joey, and bring a few more of your silly liberal friends with you, cause the crap you post here isn’t taking anybody down. Congrats to UPS for converting to CNG. As a percent of the US movement of goods, it’s INSIGNIFICANT. And whoever the poster was this morning claiming gas prices were down so the price of good should have come down with it is one of yours, Joey. Maybe instead of whining at me, you should spend your time educating your fellow liberals so they don’t make stupid comments like that again tomorrow?

Run along now child.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

M. Says — “Now I have to look that up also”

Looking things up is good. It shows that you’re willing to learn things, and that you’re willing to put forth the effort to do so.

Thumbs up for you. :) ^^^

yuzeyurbrane

November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

Jose–the real question is: should millionaires like Warren Buffett only have to pay FICA tax on only their first $110,000 of wage income? That is the cap now for income subject to SS taxes. There is no cap on Medicare taxes. And why should it be limited to wage income only? Warren, Mitt and others of the megawealthy earn little in salary or wages but a lot in interest and dividends. So they pay less than you or me in FICA as a % of their incomes–a lot, lot, lot less. Then just cap their benefits at the same as for everyone. No more SS shortfall. Problem solved.

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
4:09 pm

RB, answered your question about why people are poor.

Your turn. Why are poor people poor?

yuzeyurbrane

November 12th, 2012
4:10 pm

Also, it would at least help a lot with Medicare shortfall by adding interest and dividend income. Problem partially solved.

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Mama Says: I just can’t stand being called a racists if I don’t agree with Obama, a chauvinist if I don’t agree. With Hillary and a rich man when I am struggling. It’s democratic hyperbole that really turns me off.

Or a “Taker” if you go through a bad spot and need unemployement for a few weeks.
Or an “Illegal” even if you were born in the US by hispanic parents.
Or “. . .

You get the idea. Not sure how you can vote so one-sided when they all do it. :)

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Mama – if we haven’t said so yet – welcome to the blog. Nobody here minds disagreement.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

“I think they conned themselves into believing the ‘unskewed’ poll numbers”

Thinking for others again, Joey? Didn’t you demand others stop doing that? Live up to your own damand, Joey, or stop making them.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Mama

Bosch reappeared and I thought he missed the Word of the Day so I’m just kinda in WoD mode.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

EVEN? Why that “even…?”

Because it is deserved.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

Why are poor people poor? They don’t have any money.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

RB — “Whine some more little Joey. Your comments all day long speak for you.”

Nobody’s whining here but you, RB. And your constant rudeness and poor behavior speak for *you.*

“You’ll have to get up a little earlier tomorrow, Joey, and bring a few more of your silly liberal friends with you, cause the crap you post here isn’t taking anybody down.”

Aaaaand again with the mindreading failure, RB. I didn’t say anything about ‘taking anybody down,’ your dishonest misrepresentation notwithstanding.

Read more closely and learn to pay attention. I can’t always be bothered to slow everything down to your level.

“Congrats to UPS for converting to CNG. As a percent of the US movement of goods, it’s INSIGNIFICANT.”

Evidence, please. I’d like to see you *prove* your claim, which would be quite a unique thing indeed. What percentage of US freight does UPS move in a day?

“And whoever the poster was this morning claiming gas prices were down so the price of good should have come down with it is one of yours, Joey.”

So? What’s your point? Besides the one atop your skull, that is. (giggling) :D

“Maybe instead of whining at me”

Silly RB. You’re being *educated,* but you’re too thick to realize it. (snicker) :D

“you should spend your time educating your fellow liberals so they don’t make stupid comments like that again tomorrow?”

Given how clueless, arrogant and nasty you are, I’m not particularly worried about things *you* think are “stupid.”

“Run along now child.”

Denied. You will return now and post again for my amusement, puppet. Do as you’re told.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:15 pm

K’CHAK

Why is it deserved?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Two thumpins means hush puppy.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Good fight,

Show me where I have called any person a slut please.

I don’t recall calling anyone a slut. I have never said anything like that.

The entire democratic approach to those who oppose Obama has been to call them racists. I don’t think the slut thing is a campaign I believe it was said by Rush in his response to birth control mandates.

alex

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Paul, U.S. Senator and Speaker of the house in Fla. The point is ,someone like him in the republican ticket could rewrite the race,whomever is running…That is obvious?!? I apologise , I assumed you could read, sheesh .

@joe: “bulldada”- good stuff ! “STFU” and you write about mean and nasty, a bit thin skinned, I would say, Captain Cardiac,: ” defirillator, Stat, , resume compressions,hand me the ET tube……”
Well we tried , but Good ole’ Joe HAS been brain dead for a while…… Goodnight and drive carefully, them highways are slick with rain and the perspiration of the hardworking americans of this city.

Currently reading:”to Conquer Hell”, the meuse-argonne,1918…..Thanks to all Vets!

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
4:17 pm

““I think they conned themselves into believing the ‘unskewed’ poll numbers”’

Do you disagree with the statement at all, RB? Or is it just your anger at a particular poster?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

RB — “Thinking for others again, Joey?”

Stop whining, RB. I clearly expressed my *opinion.* If you’re not honest enough to recognize that, then you need professional help.

“Didn’t you demand others stop doing that?”

Not in the least. I clearly pointed out that you repeatedly speak for people *who are here* and who you could *ask* to clarify their position. Since you’re too dishonest to do that, I called you on it.

And I shall continue to do so, regardless of how upsetting you find it.

“Live up to your own damand, Joey, or stop making them.”

Grow up and become honest for a change, RB, or stop posting. (giggling) :D

This is fun! Post again for me, puppet! Dance! DANCE!!! (clapping hands) :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

josef

We have spoken of this before.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

alex — “Well we tried , but Good ole’ Joe HAS been brain dead for a while…… ”

Your English usage lessons will continue tomorrow, alex. Please come prepared this time. :D

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

DANNYX

I think you are referring to DEM voters..of which only 37% didn’t agree with increased taxes for “rich”..or those over $250K..

Seems to be intuitive to me…if I’m in any group below that income threshold, what does it cost me to increase theirs to leave mine alone?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

K’CHAK

Yes. And you still have not provided a rational, intelligent, coherent answer. It’s the same broad brushing on the left as the right does. It’s tacky and unimaginative, supercilious, holier than thou, pious. and, well, tacky…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:23 pm

Price? Oy to the max!

No kidding josef. I was just gerrymandered into his district. How much do you think he cares about Dekalb County?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:25 pm

Yes. And you still have not provided a rational, intelligent, coherent answer.

Do you not remember our discussion about an infamous sign that used to reside in Forsyth Co.?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

Mama Says

Save your hissy fit girl…what I said was you were “being very toned deaf to women being called sluts” while whining about being called racist, etc. I never said you called any woman a slut. Again, it seems that your fainting act is based on a perception issue and your false self-victimization.

Or do you deny that many in the GOP called women like Sandra Fluke sluts and worse? :roll:

Bosch

November 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

Just saw it Paul! Obdurate. Nice.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

The entire democratic approach to those who oppose Obama has been to call them racists.

Again, Mama says, your hissy fit is based on your false perceptions. Opposition to Obama was not the basis for a “racist” label in and by itself.

I don’t think the slut thing is a campaign I believe it was said by Rush in his response to birth control mandates.

And Mitt’s response was a meek “that’s not the word I would have chosen.” :roll:

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

“Why are poor people poor? They don’t have any money.”

And the rabbi whacks little sm@rt@ss josef upside the head.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

Hey Bosch. Nice of you to drop by. How’s the new business?

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:32 pm

I said I was tired of being called a racist so your response is that women are called sluts. How does either apply to the facts.

And I am entitled to hissy fits, which I consider gender bias

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:32 pm

Lord Help Us, sorry, didn’t see your reply.

I think your list pretty much covers it, however, most of what you posted are choices people have made and made badly. Excepting special needs family and mental illness, the rest are correctable, but only if the person puts forth the effort. My opinion is, the 2 biggest factors affecting most of them are a lack of education and a lack of work ethic. Even a HS dropout, however, has the ability to start as a fry cook at BK, show up for work, do a good job, show some initiative, advance to shift manager and eventually store manager, but it takes work ethic. Same for a carpenter on a construction site, a plumber’s apprentice, etc. No amount of welfare poured on these people will ever stop them from being poor if they won’t make any effort to help themselves.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

Mama says

Nope that was not my response. Now be a good little poster and go back and read the response and stop being so foolish. You really are being childish.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

alex

“Paul, U.S. Senator and Speaker of the house in Fla. ”

Kinda sounds like Obama’s credentials.

Has Rubio ever held a real job?

Is he like Obama in that regard, too?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

K’CHAK

Used to…imperfect PAST tense…you claim not to be a Baptist (sneeringly, too, I might add) yet you seem to be a firm subscriber to the sins of the fathers….

You will also recall at the time that I made the point that I had been privileged to be on a tutoyer basis with a good number of folks from Forsyth. and don’t forget, Native Atlantan that you are, this city too busy to hate gave us one of the worst race riots in American history and Leo Frank, the Temple bombing…need I go on…so, I suppose we could just as easily say EVEN in Atlanta? Sure but not with the same punch, however factual it may be.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

Bosch

The old times, they are the good times worth recreating!

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

“Even a HS dropout, however, has the ability to start as a fry cook at BK, show up for work, do a good job”

RB – only if jobs are available, right?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

BOSCH

Hoooowdeeee! Fill us in…have you left the 47% and the liberal plantation yet? :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

…you claim not to be a Baptist (sneeringly, too, I might add)

Nope. They held my head under the water.

My claims are to agnosticism.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Josef

If you want a laugh, I went to a gwinnett county high school recently to attend a cheerleading competition…high above the entrance way hall to gy, there is a quote, and I kid you not by Ayn Rand written in billboard sized font…

They had no idea but the quote, which i recall is about realizing dreams, runs slap in the face of religious tint these schools possess..

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Mama says: I said I was tired of being called a racist so your response is that women are called sluts. How does either apply to the facts.

thank you. You are correct that NEITHER apply to the facts. Now, how about telling us why you only think it applies to Democrats calling YOU names, and not Republicans calling anyone else names? both sides call each other names, but you mentioned only one side, and that you vote accordingly.

Makes me wonder WHY.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

How much is the going rate to engage a racist slut? Anybody?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

Bosch

End of last thread – right after you signed off – another Word of the Day for you.

It’s a twofer day!

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

‘advance to shift manager and eventually store manager, but it takes work ethic.’

Any idea what a shift manager at BK makes? Maybe $15 an hour, $600 a week, or a cool $30k per year. Raise a family of four on that! And, by the way, don’t forget about $1,200 a month for health insurance.

Guess what, genius, this guy that showed up, worked hard, advanced at work, etc. is POOR!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:42 pm

S. Ray — “How much is the going rate to engage a racist slut? Anybody?”

Perhaps Eliot Spitzer or Senator David Vitter could fill you in. :D

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

No logical dude,

I said I wasn’t raised to take things from one and give to another. I also said I was tired of being called a racist.

Now if you wish to argue that you should take from people that’s up to you.

I also said that there has not been a republican campaign to call women sluts. Democrats on the other hand have made a real effort to call whites who oppose Obama, racist.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

Raised not to take thing from one and give to the other

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

How much is the going rate to engage a racist slut?

What, are you too lazy to google Ann Coulter’s booking rates? :P

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

What, are you too lazy to google Ann Coulter’s booking rates? :P

http://www.instantrimshot.com

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

I said I wasn’t raised to take things from one and give to another

So you don’t believe in school taxes?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:48 pm

K’CHAK

Out of context, Mec. I said you claim not to be, BUT you sure do seem to hold onto a lot of that sweeping judgment, broad brushing…as I said, “sins of the fathers.” It’s an awful lot the same stuff of that EVEN…

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

STEVIE

I never cease to be amazed at folks who’ll take a quote off the net and never bother to consider who said it and in what context. It’s what a friend of mine calls the trivialization of culture…

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

“So you don’t believe in school taxes”

Or charitable giving.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

JOE

Not just a run of the mill hooker, I’m talking slut…say from rural georgia who sports a rebel flag on fron porch…although I reckon you could hire former and she can play the role…

Racists, sluts, ninnies, cretins, dummies, liars….lots of fascinating dialogue this late afternoon eh?

I just viewed a cut on you tube of Faces playing Stay With Me circa say 1970…speaking of sluts..

I know your name is Rita, cuz your perfume’s smelling sweeter….get up, get down get out…get yer own ride home…just don’t be here in the morning when I wake up…..” lyrical excerpts by one of the best slut songs ever……

“red lips, hair and finger nails…I know you’ll be no Jezabel…” gotta love it..

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

Well fine. No one will talk to me so I’m taking MY ball and going home. Losers. ALL of you……..

TRAITOROUS losers at that.

No, Traitorous ASSHAT losers.

Better yet, traitorous asshat BAPTIST losers……..

Naw, the best, traitorous, asshat, Baptist losers of French decent.

There I told you all.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:53 pm

Naw, the best, traitorous, asshat, Baptist losers of French decent.

Delusional lickspittle?

Real Scootter

November 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

Guess what, genius, this guy that showed up, worked hard, advanced at work, etc. is POOR!!!!

Well,it comes down to that choice thing LHU.
That guy shouldn’t have married and had kids,otherwise he would be doing just fine on that much money. :shock:

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

STEVIE

“I’m talking slut…say from rural georgia who sports a rebel flag on fron porch…”

You, Kamchak, and Sue Ellen…peas in a pod. Aren’t you just the ever-so-superior? Tacky, tacky, tacky…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

Damn. I forgot the video. I hate when I do that……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

S. Ray — “JOE Not just a run of the mill hooker, I’m talking slut…say from rural georgia who sports a rebel flag on fron porch…although I reckon you could hire former and she can play the role…”

Given that Senator Vitter reportedly liked being dolled up in diapers and spanked, I expect the hookers who serviced him would be able to handle your request. (giggling) :D

“I just viewed a cut on you tube of Faces playing Stay With Me circa say 1970…speaking of sluts..”

Awesome song. I remember driving somewhere with my dad and him turning the radio *up* to hear the lyrics better. :D

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

Joey, “Aaaaand again with the mindreading failure, RB. I didn’t say anything about ‘taking anybody down,’ your dishonest misrepresentation notwithstanding.”

From your 3:49… “and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two…”

You’re a lying sack, Joey. Read your own words and make some more silly excuses, child.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

K’Chak — “Delusional lickspittle?”

I’ve got dibs. That’s what I’m going to name my boat.

My wife likes “Mewling Prig” but “Delusional Lickspittle” is much better IMO. :D

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

Josef

Sorry to offend…guess I’m taking things to literally…but lumping me into a category with Kamchak…now I’m really offended…low blow..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

RB — “From your 3:49… “and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two…”

Big difference between “taking somebody down” and ‘taking someone down a notch or two.”

“You’re a lying sack, Joey. Read your own words and make some more silly excuses, child.”

Insert quarter and try again, loser. (giggle) :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:59 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

I’ve got dibs. That’s what I’m going to name my boat.

Credit where credit is due.

Fred got red-carded for that one — I think.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

JOE

Not surprisingly, every band in my era seemed to have a song about a one-night stand (ie Sick Again by Zeppelin..or better yet, Royale Orleans from Presence…) and one about a car….(ie I’m In Love with My Car..Queen and the like…)..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

K’Chak — “Fred got red-carded for that one — I think.”

Was that really what did it, or was it just the straw that broke the moderator’s back?

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

LOl Kam. I won’t type the DL phrase. Last time I did I was banished.

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

Mama says: I said I wasn’t raised to take things from one and give to another. I also said I was tired of being called a racist.

I did not see you post the first part. I only quoted from the post where you were tired of being called names.

I do not agree that a whole drive of Democrats is to call anti-Obama folks racists. Only those who used race as a reason.

For you being brought up never to take from one and give to another, then you probably do not understand how things work in the USA, because the government takes from everyone and give to many others.
*Everyone* pays something, it’s just a matter of how. *Everybody* receives something, and it’s a matter of how, and if you are able to take advantage of it.

so, I still don’t see how you can fall onto one party or another for “not giving/taking” and “calling names”. All sides do it.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

Even Forsyth County has changed over time – and will continue to change as the years, and perceptions, change.

D’OOOOOOOOOOOH! Time to move up to Dawson or White County.

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

STEVIE

Well, K’chak’s not such a bad fellow to be lumped with, all things considered. I’m not particularly offended at a personal level, but at a cultural one. It seems we all have to somehow feel superior at a class level to someone else. Coming from the bourgeois wannabes it’s just amusing to me…

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

The Republicans need an orthopedic surgeon.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

FRED

Ok I botched the lyrics but thanks for the link here’s the one I was refering to..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtqF0qBqzZo&feature=related

“I don’t mean to tell ya, but you look like a fella..”

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:07 pm

FRED, K’CHAK, et al…

And al Shariff Imam Torquemada never did tell us why it was that particular one, a gem as far as I’m concerned, so p*ssed his priggish self off…

indigo

November 12th, 2012
5:07 pm

“What we are doing, Frances, is trying to build an America in which no one is left out”. So spoke FDR to his secretary of labor, Frances Perkins. This sprit of honest liberalism still lives in the Democtatic Party.

On the other hand, upon the 2008 election of Obama, Mitch McConnell made it clear that the one and ONLY important thing was the defeat of the President in the next election.

That Republican attitude has not changed. Party first and foremost and zero to the people.

So, you might wonder, why did Romney get so many votes? I believe that if Obama was white, he would have won the election in an overwhelming landslide. It’s as simple and as depressingly digusting as that.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:08 pm

Stevie Ray: I was going to link that one but the sound was better on the other one. :mrgreen:

Dang, I was going upstairs. I got sidetracked with some research and a phone call.

I don’t care what anyone else says, I WANT to fall off this financial cliff.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
5:10 pm

And al Shariff Imam Torquemada never did tell us why it was that particular one, a gem as far as I’m concerned, so p*ssed his priggish self off…

I think it was a cumulative thingie rather than a singular instance….

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

indigo

“I believe that if Obama was white, he would have won the election in an overwhelming landslide”

No, he would not have. If he were white he wouldn’t have been elected the first time. Jeeze, Mate, keep up! :-)

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

“I WANT to fall off this financial cliff”

Speaking of cliffs…I was channel surfing during lunch and heard a new announce use the same term I used the other day: fiscal curb

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

Lord Help Us, “Any idea what a shift manager at BK makes? Maybe $15 an hour, $600 a week, or a cool $30k per year. Raise a family of four on that! And, by the way, don’t forget about $1,200 a month for health insurance.”

More choices, LHU. Having kids you can’t afford is a choice. Having a wife with no income is a choice. If I decide to buy a new car, will you help me pay for it, because I can’t afford one and I really want it. What’s the difference? Some of us are tired of being left with the tab because of others making bad choices.

Where do you suppose he’s going to get $1,200/mo. for insurance when he’s REQUIRED BY LAW to purchase it?

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 12th, 2012
5:12 pm

“I believe if Obama was white, he would have won the election in a
landslide. It’s as simple and as depressingly disgusting as that.”

yes, but we’re racists for noticing. or something…

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

well damn! this “new announce ” should have been “news announcer”

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

K’CHAK

Yeah, our man Fred do rile the Imam big time…never have been able to figure out just why. But, hey, that’s a good thing, imeoiauo! But. I’m serious, and you know how much I love a good turn of phrase, delusional lickspittal is one of the best I’ve ever heard!

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

josef: Actually when I typed it I figured it would be the type of “insult” where the amusement factor would be greater than the “outrage” factor.

I was wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPkv5UTUGk

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:15 pm

K’CHAK

I second that…

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

More choices, LHU. Having kids you can’t afford is a choice.
++++++++++++++++++

Sweet. Now only rich folks can have kids…………..

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

FRED

“We are not amused.”
–Queen Victoria Bookman

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:18 pm

I triple it.

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
5:18 pm

‘More choices, LHU. Having kids you can’t afford is a choice. Having a wife with no income is a choice.’

Dude, I was using YOUR example. geez…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:19 pm

josef? Not amused were you not entertained at least?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
5:22 pm

Yeah, our man Fred do rile the Imam big time…never have been able to figure out just why.

I have an inkling.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

speaking of news announcers DG, did you see that Amanda Davis got arrested for DUI? I never liked her, she always did too much of that eye squint and weird face contortion thing that the tabloid “news” anchors do…….

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/channel-5-news-anchor-arrested-on-dui-charges/nS4hb/

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

I’m out. All be well and drive safely.

And be careful on your way up the basement stairs to dinner, RB. You know that railing is rickety and can’t bear your weight. (giggling) :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

speaking of news announcers DG, did you see that Amanda Davis got arrested for DUI?

Terrible mugshot photo.

indigo

November 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

josef – 5:11

So, he was elected and re-elected solely because he’s black?

I admit, that kind of logic and thinking leaves me speechless.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

“speaking of news announcers DG, did you see that Amanda Davis got arrested for DUI?”

I did not. Who’s Amanda Davis?

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:26 pm

It’s because not only am I NOT housebroken, I don’t care. I exercise my right to “free speech” and he exercises his right to enforce the blog rules.

I never have been able to pass up a good moment to keep my mouth shut………..

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:27 pm

Amanda Davis is (probably WAS now) the news anchor for FOX 5 news.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
5:27 pm

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

FRED
I triple it

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

and raise you two…

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

K’CHAK

“I have an inkling.”

Anything you can share here?

Cosby

November 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

At least ther is someone in DC with guts. I hope Tom lets the train wreck..no leadership in the white House, bullying by the Senate leader no budget in four (4) years What in the hell does anyone expect…go go go Tom, let ‘er rip!!!!

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

indigo

November 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

josef – 5:11

So, he was elected and re-elected solely because he’s black?

I admit, that kind of logic and thinking leaves me speechless.
+++++++++++++++++

It’s not really logic, it’s one of the talk radio/FOXbot talking points. They have been using it as an excuse for Romney getting his ass kicked……..

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

Cosby

November 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

At least ther is someone in DC with guts. I hope Tom lets the train wreck..no leadership in the white House, bullying by the Senate leader no budget in four (4) years What in the hell does anyone expect…go go go Tom, let ‘er rip!!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

It’s times like these that I really wish I was allowed to type delusional lickspittle………

getalife

November 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

“If I were a donor, my biggest problem would be that I was lied to. I was lied to by the, as David Frum said, the conservative entertainment establishment. I mean, the conservative media establishment. They lied to the donors, they lied to the base, they lied to everybody about how Romney was ahead and things were looking good in the Senate. The pollsters lied. Everybody lied! And so guys keep writing checks and find out the reason they went to Minnesota and Pennsylvania is because all of these people that were saying Romney was going to win Ohio, they knew he was not going to win Ohio. They knew all along!” Joe S/

gop civil war.

Set it straight cons.

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

indigo

“I admit, that kind of logic and thinking leaves me speechless.”

Yeah, me, too. That’s why I put the smiley…

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

“Amanda Davis is (probably WAS now) the news anchor for FOX 5 news”

Oh, well that’s why I wouldn’t know. I virtually never watch TV news.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

Drunk driving?

Yeah, well, I can see how reading the stuff Fox puts on a teleprompter would lead a person to do that.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
5:31 pm

getalife

Sounds like Issa oughta hold a hearing on that and get to the bottom off all the lies and the bad intel and the deception, doesn’t it?

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

FRED

I not only was amused…I was tickled pink…

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

“If I were a donor, my biggest problem would be that I was lied to”

I don’t see that logic. They gambled and lost. If you bet on a horse and he loses the race…were you “lied to” because you picked a loser?

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

“Big difference between “taking somebody down” and ‘taking someone down a notch or two.”

That ^^^^^^^ pretty much sums up a conversation with little lying Joey.

Here’s a tip for you little lying Joey, just about everything posted here by everybody is an OPINION. Somehow, IMO, you seem to think your opinions are all valid while others opinions need to be proven or verified in some way. Sorry little lying Joey, it doesn’t work that way.

Big difference….. that’s funny as heck!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
5:33 pm

I never have been able to pass up a good moment to keep my mouth shut………..

I like you a lot, Fred. I’d sit in a bar and have many beers with you (and Irish Whiskey), and have done so. But Jay has a strong association with Penn St. and you probably shouldn’t poke the bear on that issue.

Just my $0.02.

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:34 pm

Doggone

“I virtually never watch TV news.”

Me either, but I do watch a good deal of TV virtually news…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

I watch (actually listen too) a lot of TV news. It’s usually news time when I’m in the kitchen cooking. I’m a news junky. I watch different stations, listen to the new 106.7 news thingie, read news sites on line when I’m blogging ect………….

I’ve TRIED to listen to FOX news but they play too may commercials. I’m also a “commercial” expert. I love looking at commercials and judging from them the intelligence level and demographic a show or channel is targeting. I’m pretty damn good at it lol.

Ever notice how many Viagra and similar products they air on NASCAR broadcasts?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
5:38 pm

Paul,

They called it “living in a bubble”.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:39 pm

It’s amazing the lengths I will go to to get my butt in a crack. I NEED to go upstairs and wash the dishes I didn’t wash last night and promised my wife I WOULD wash first thing this morning and didn’t do. She will yell at me and probably smack me with a cast iron skillet and who would blame her? I certainly won’t. I could avoid ALL that drama just by going upstairs and doing it before she gets home in an hour………

but I won’t. What’s WRONG with me lol?

I know what you all are thinking……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0&feature=related

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

Fred

I’ll say it for you. Saying something like that is a perfect example of crap that’s being peddled by delusional lickspittle masquerading as media/entertainment.

:)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
5:41 pm

Ever notice how many Viagra and similar products they air on NASCAR broadcasts?

Heck yes! And there’s another one where the man and woman wind up setting alone in separate cold empty bathtubs out in the middle of nowhere. Who wants to take a pill to do that?

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

“Ever notice how many Viagra and similar products they air on NASCAR broadcasts?”

Ever notice how they advertise those same products on damn near every show on TV?

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

FRED

What’s really depressing is the commercials they show when you’re watching the reruns of such great classic shows as “Barney Miller” and “Alf.” The grandkids love to watch “Alf” with me, but explaining the commercials…well…

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

LHU, “Dude, I was using YOUR example. geez…”

My example didn’t say anything about having 2 kids and a wife or 3 kids. You added those things.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

josef/Doggone: Now they are adding KY jelly and Trojans ads to what you would THINK were family shows. I know what you mean.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:46 pm

Paul

November 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

Fred

” She will yell at me and probably smack me with a cast iron skillet and who would blame her? ”

Did you marry Redneck Convert’s sister-in-law?

independent thinker

November 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

Again happy Veterans Day veterans; Obama and Biden have your back Romney and the GOP could care less about your problems. None of the cons here can explain why the GOP dissed you during the campaign. Michelle Obama and Jill Biden know how to make you folks priority one.

Georgia

November 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

Saw Skyfall. Stinks. wait till redbox.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
5:53 pm

Kam: Ever think of taking compound bow lessons?

Well, I am now!!!

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:56 pm

Paul: I dunno. Can RC’s sister-in-law whoop Ellie May in a rasslin’ match?

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
5:57 pm

You know, it’s not that I mind ads on webpages. I know they enable us to get a lot of content for free…but when they persistently and annoyingly interfere with the page loading…for HOURS…I do start to get more than a little peeved about them.

This past weekend it was the page going screwy whenever I posted something…now I’m having to click reload 3 or 4 times just to get the page to load properly, and it’s been like that pretty much all day.

Bill Clinton

November 12th, 2012
5:58 pm

From Newt in today’s Politico:
“”"”"”"The president won an extraordinary victory, and the fact is we owe him the respect of trying to understand what they did and how they did it,” Gingrich said on NBC’s “Today.” “But if you had said to me three weeks ago that Mitt Romney would get fewer votes than John McCain — and it looks like he’ll be 2 million fewer — I would have been dumbfounded.””"”"”"”"”"

Of course he won’t give me credit for that landslide.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
6:01 pm

Fred

That, I do not know.

But I’d sure like to try!

http://tinyurl.com/alo42tj

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:06 pm

FRED

The Du-k-sha-nee’s sister-in-law is a hedge fund manager in New York City,

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
6:07 pm

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:08 pm

DOGGONE

Is that what it was? It drove me away early last p.m.

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:10 pm

ORANGE

So, what’s a one million housing ass? :-)

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:13 pm

ORANGE

Jokes about the link address aside…it’s a good thing…

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
6:16 pm

A step in the right direction but woefully inadequate.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
6:19 pm

Just filled up the gas tank in Conyers — $3.14 a gallon and falling.

I thought it was supposed to be at $6….

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

The Du-k-sha-nee’s sister-in-law is a hedge fund manager in New York City.

Well, if you’d been paying any attention to what anybody else wrote, you’d know my sister-in-law’s body is laying in a double plot in a graveyard. About three months ago I wrote about how she’d got up to 575 lbs. and couldn’t never get out of the house and when she died they needed 12 EMT workers to pass her body thru a double window they had to remove. But in her prime she could of kicked anybody’s azz. I know when she never noticed I was in a chair and set in my lap she broke my pelvis and a few other bones. And tell this Fred she could teach the missus a thing or two about handling a skillet as a weapon and she could of taught his missus a thing or two about it too.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

Is flatulent an auto snagged word?

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

“Just filled up the gas tank in Conyers — $3.14 a gallon and falling.”

Where did you get the money to fill the gas tank up? You’re on here 24 – 7. Oh that’s right, maybe Mom helped you out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

Where did you get the money to fill the gas tank up?

Sold my Obamaphone.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
6:30 pm

“Is that what it was? It drove me away early last p.m”

If most other pages are fine, but just one is having problems…yes, that’s usually the problem.

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:42 pm

ORANGE

K’chak is of the leisure time elite…

indigo

November 12th, 2012
6:46 pm

josef – 5:42

When that happens, just hit the MUTE button.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
6:46 pm

josef/doggone: Jay’s site always gives me problems. It’s gotten worse with that stupid meebo spyware the AJC put on. But mainly Jay’s page gets hit more than the others and the AJC just hasn’t assigned enough bandwidth to take care of it at peak times. Many more people read than comment…….

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
6:50 pm

“josef/doggone: Jay’s site always gives me problems. It’s gotten worse with that stupid meebo spyware the AJC put on”

You can fix that. Just use whatever your browser does to block sites. In IE9 it’s:
Tools
Internet Options
Security
Restricted Sites
Sites button
add: *.meebo.com
Then save/Ok your way back out

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:50 pm

indigo

Love that mute button…and I’m a channel surfer of the worst kind…!

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
6:51 pm

Just filled up the gas tank in Conyers — $3.14 a gallon and falling.

Should have used the gimmick card bro. I hit Kroger earlier for $3.04 after gettin’ $.10 off per gallon. Looking at some of the news out of Nigeria, I think we’re almost as low as it’s going to get.

josef

November 12th, 2012
6:59 pm

BROSEPHUS

Yep. Nigeria is not looking good at all.

DOGGONE

Ah, ye of too much faith! You’re talking to a technological illiterate, ya know…! I got tickled back when our technology contact was training us on a new program. I was being my usual idiot self and the contact was trying to keep me from clicking in the wrong place explaining what would happen if I did. One of my co-workers just slapped my hand. The contact looked a bit surprised, The co-worker explained, “Josef is a tactile learner!” :-)

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

“Ah, ye of too much faith! You’re talking to a technological illiterate, ya know”

Get one of your grandkids to show you how! ;-)

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:02 pm

DOGGONE

You know that’s right! :-)

hiram

November 12th, 2012
7:07 pm

Looks like the 80/20 rule is alive and well on Jay’s blog, but it’s more like 5% post 95% of the post. I suppose quantitative trumps qualitative when it comes to producing revenue in the blogosphere.

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

hiram

Wha’ju talkin’ ’bout, Willis? :-)

hiram

November 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

hiram

Then translate please…should I be offended?

moonbat betty

November 12th, 2012
7:18 pm

Gee, $3 gallon!

My, how we have been lulled into accepting mediocrity.

moonbat betty

November 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

Or you you could just ask Kamchak to remove the spyware meebo off his blog here.

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
7:23 pm

“Gee, $3 gallon!”

MB, I think he threw a little seaweed in there to bring the price down.

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:27 pm

Speaking of ads and target audiences…it is kind of interesting as to who is buying on Jay’s blog…cruises, banks, resorts, pest control… :-)

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
7:30 pm

hiram
Which is worse, the 5% producing the 95% or you reading through seven pages to determine that info?

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

BROSEPHUS

Since he won’t translate it for me, what the HELL is he talking about?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

“RB — “I realize you liberals want to punish successful people for having money”

JHM – “Delusional troll is delusional. (laughing)”

Interesting that you laugh it off as delusional. How else could you explain it? I want entitlement programs and I want someone else to pay for it. Not delusional at all. Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
7:35 pm

Gee, $3 gallon!

My, how we have been lulled into accepting mediocrity.

I wasn’t the one fear mongering on the night of the SOTU about $6 a gallon gasoline by the election.

Geez….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
7:37 pm

Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper.

There’s your sign.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
7:37 pm

“Since he won’t translate it for me, what the HELL is he talking about?”

It’s a variation on the “spending all your time in the basement on the computer” or “wasting your boss’s time”

It’s meant to be an insult.

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

Yobinnes

“Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper.”

They do? Then how come I’ve got so many Democrat friends?

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

“Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper”

There’s no such person. EVERYone benefits from government “assistance” in one form or another.

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

DOGGONE

Thanks. I guess I best not tell him that I’m upstairs in my home office and what’s working on the other screen, eh?

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
7:43 pm

“I guess I best not tell him that I’m upstairs in my home office and what’s working on the other screen, eh?”

Only if you want to spoil his pout.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

Doggone – please illuminate us dumb cons.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

“Only if you want to spoil his pout.”

That is good. Don’t recall ever hearing that line.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

Not everyone is on food stamps and low-income housing.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

Josef – You do understand the term “leaches” don’t you?

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

“Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper.”

Only if they are running for President on the Republican ticket.

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

DOGGONE

Far be if from me to do such a dastardly deed…bless his heart.

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
7:49 pm

josef

It’s bad when a poster can’t deliver an insult worth a damn. :)

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
7:49 pm

Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper.

That is a talk radio/FOXbot bumper sticker lie that no one with a rational thought in their head would ever believe. Why would you post something so insipid?

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

Yobidness

Leaches…or leeches? I do understand the meaning of both. Which were you referring to here?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

Fred – Why is it then that you’re not clamoring for across the board tax increases? Why only the wealthy?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

The parasitic variety.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

You do understand the term “leaches”[sic] don’t you?

Oh, the irony.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

“Why would you post something so insipid?”

Lack of ability to think for himself?

josef

November 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

Yobidness

Then that would be “leeches…” not “leaches…” Some, though, especially in the upper 1% do fall into both categories…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

Fred – Why is it then that you’re not clamoring for across the board tax increases? Why only the wealthy?
++++++++++++++++++++++++

And even MORE talk radio/FOXbot bumper sticker lies.

Obviosuly you haven’t a fcking clue WHAT I’m clamoring for. You are just tossing out crap ball lies towards a wall like a troll to see what sticks.

Keep trying, maybe you will actually post something lucid……..

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Well, since I can’t think for myself, please explain why you’re not clamoring for across the board tax increases? Is it right for some people to not pay a penny in tax while others pay 39.6%?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Look. I don’t watch FOX. I don’t listen to Rush. You can’t think for yourself, thus we get the same old Fox/Limbaugh garbage. Explain it rather than changing the subject.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Is it right for some people to not pay a penny in tax while others pay 39.6%?

Not this crap again.

:roll:

All consumers pay taxes, sport.

And it’s more than a mere penny.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

“Obviosuly you haven’t a fcking clue WHAT I’m clamoring for. You are just tossing out crap ball lies towards a wall like a troll to see what sticks”

Countdown to “I must have hit a nerve” in 3 … 2 … 1

Dekalb comments

November 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

Has anyone seen Mighty Righty since the election? It has been nearly a week since he gave his prediction of a Romney win. I just want to be sure he is okay and if not, if there are provisions under Obamacare that can help.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

State sales tax are not a US congressional issue.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

“Is it right for some people to not pay a penny in tax while others pay 39.6%?”

There’s no one who doesn’t pay a penny in tax. You need a better rant. That one we’ve heard at least a million times already. It’s lost it’s ability to shock. Try harder.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

Certainly you can see how a casual observer reading your comments would come to the conclusion that you want to raise taxes on the rich with no mention of anyone else incurring a similar tax increase.

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

There are a great many people who pay no INCOME tax. Sales tax is another matter. You have to work to pay FICA taxes. What am I missing.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:04 pm

Doggone – can’t offer an explanation, huh? It’s ok for you to say that instead of the diversion crap.

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

K’CHAK
@ 7:54

Sic transit Kamchak. :-)

FRED

Sois sage! Nous ne voulons pas que tu vas aux 40 plus bas de la plantation libérale! :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

State sales tax are not a US congressional issue.

Moving the goalposts, you said “not pay a penny in tax.”

But aside from that, perhaps you should google federal excise tax,

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

Kamchak – as the discussion related to the House of Representatives, I was under the impression that we were talking about Federal income taxes.

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Everybody on here knows Nunna is talking income tax.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

“State sales tax are not a US congressional issue”

I hope you didn’t strain anything moving those goal posts

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:09 pm

My apologies. Evidently I should have specified Federal income tax. That seemed to be the vein of conversation. Bad assumption on my part, I suppose.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:09 pm

“There are a great many people who pay no INCOME tax”

Moved ‘em again I see.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

“Everybody on here knows Nunna is talking income tax”

Not me. I flunked mind reading 101 and my crystal ball is broken.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

Moved who or what?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:12 pm

So you thought we were discussion the congressman from Roswell, the US House Speaker, et al and that it was related to sales taxes/property taxes, etc.? Um, OK.

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

DOGGONE

The Romany Lady says she’d loan you hers, but there’s what looks like an ass clouding the reception!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

…as the discussion related to the House of Representatives, I was under the impression that we were talking about Federal income taxes.

Isn’t that quaint, him believes that we haven’t heard this dozens of times before, complete with the requisite walking it back.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:15 pm

“The Romany Lady says she’d loan you hers, but there’s what looks like an ass clouding the reception!”

Tell her I said thanks!

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

Kamchak – Do you ever stay on the subject?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
8:17 pm

Do you ever stay on the subject?

Did you google federal excise tax?

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:18 pm

“Isn’t that quaint, him believes that we haven’t heard this dozens of times before, complete with the requisite walking it back”

I’m still trying to figure out what the US House of Representatives has to do with “sales taxes/property taxes”

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

Doggone

That train of thought ain’t got no conductor…

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:22 pm

Doggone – Evidently you like to comment without reading the posts to which you are replying. Are you really that stupid that you can’t make the connection?

Kamchak – No but I realize that people who drive a car pay gasoline taxes, and the people who buy foreign goods pay tarriffs, etc. As we were discussing the process of reaching Federal income tax compromises, I naturally assumed that was the topic of discussion, rather than local taxes, etc.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:23 pm

“That train of thought ain’t got no conductor”

I’m not sure it even has a driver!

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:23 pm

Just like Democrats. Ignore substance, concentrate on semantics.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

“Are you really that stupid that you can’t make the connection?”

Isn’t that what your dear leaders have been saying? We’re too stupid to understand the message? Looks like it must be true.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

That train of thought ain’t got no conductor

hehehehhheee…

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

Doggone – well at least you finally acknowledged it. You’ve taken your first step towards enlightenment.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

“Ignore substance”

Substance? :-)

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

Yobidness

Semantics is the fundamental element of human discourse…say what you mean, and mean what you say.

moonbat betty

November 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

Geez!

Can someone please call in the confederate guys?

F. Sinkwich

November 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

I’d vote for McMorris. She looks pretty hot.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

As we were discussing the process of reaching Federal income tax compromises…

No and again I quote, “not pay a penny in tax”.

You think you’ve got those goalposts mounted on Pedregon’s funny car, but you don’t.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

“You’ve taken your first step towards enlightenment.”

I’m not really sure I want the kind of enlightenment that enables me to understand the sort of gobbledegook you’ve been passing off a “substance”

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

Doggone – Yes I was referring to the topic of Federal income taxes as I have explained several times. You don’t seem to see how Kamchak’s comments referred to the broader spectrum of taxes, which I had not contemplated being a part of this discussion, as we were dealing with Congress. I don’t know which is worse to be stupid or to deliberately act that way.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:32 pm

Doggone – then explain why you don’t want to raise FEDERAL INCOME TAXES across the board. (Hope that the emphasis clarified things for you.)

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:32 pm

“I don’t know which is worse to be stupid or to deliberately act that way.”

So which are you?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:33 pm

You go first.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

“then explain why you don’t want to raise FEDERAL INCOME TAXES across the board”

Sorry, I’m too stupid to explain it.

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

moonbat

K’chak, Fred, and I tried…I think Big Daddy must be out…and that may be a good thing…we may be able to call somebody a delusional lickspittle and get by with it… :-)

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

Enter your comments here

F. Sinkwich

November 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

“I’d vote for McMorris. She looks pretty hot.”

I must add, however, Price has done a wonderful job. This country needs many more like him in elective office.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

You want somebody to pay more taxes, as long as it’s not you.

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
8:37 pm

josef
fred was chastised for “delusional lickspittle wannabe”

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:37 pm

Yobidness

I have no problem with paying more taxes.

bob

November 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

Stands for, Repubs did not lose the house, they did not win the white house. Dems have pushed for tax increases so why are they now against them ? Oh that’s right, they are only for increases for the rich because their constituency does not want to pay their fair share. Do the math, if we increase the rates prior to the cuts then we get 90 billion, the debt has averaged 1.25 trillion over the last 4 years, we need more taxpayers. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

“When delusional lickspittle is outlawed, only outlaws will have delusional lickspittle.”
– Thomas “Fred” Jefferson

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

FROG

Ah, so it was the wannabe! :-)

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

Price has done a wonderful job.

Please expound.

LOL!

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

As a lot of the complaints about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES seems to center on the LTCG tax rates, does it not seem fair to you that since the lower income and middle class pay zero percent on LTCG, why does it bother you that the “wealthy” only pay 20%?

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

K’CHAK

@ 8:38

:-)

moonbat betty

November 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

If someone uses the term ” lickspittle” again they need to be taxed.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:42 pm

Josef – neither do I, I just think it is not appropriate for some Americans to pay no tax at all. You want to raise taxes? OK – just don’t go overboard and eliminate freeloaders.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:44 pm

“I just think it is not appropriate for some Americans to pay no tax at all. ”

You’ll find it odd, I know…but we’d already figured that out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
8:45 pm

If someone uses the term ” lickspittle” again they need to be taxed.

“You can tax my lickspittle when you can pry it from my cold, dead hands.”
– Thomas “Fred Charlton” Jefferson

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:45 pm

Gosh, my punctuation marks are such that I can see the ridicule in advance. “Overboard” pertains to the tax increases. FEDERAL INCOME TAXES I failed to specify again. Forgive me.

sam

November 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:47 pm

YOBIDNESS

And there you go with that “no taxes at all” again…you’re shooting yourself in the foot and removing the true poutrage of your argument…

moonbat betty

November 12th, 2012
8:47 pm

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
8:48 pm

Nunna,
Yobinnes is not moving forward…

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:48 pm

Like I saw on one of these discussions, I’ve never gotten a paycheck from a poor employer. I’m not poor, but I certainly am not rich. I do pay my FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and State INCOME TAXES however. Does it make a lot of sense to only increase the FEDERAL INCOME TAXES of the people who sign the paychecks?

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

sam
you will be attaxed shortly..

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:50 pm

Josef – hence I attempted to correct my remarks @ 8:45. I just didn’t post fast enough to slip by all of your great minds.

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

Ah. so! One picture worth thousand words.

–Thomas Confucius Jefferson

http://kelleystein.girthmcdurchstein.com/images/albums/lickspittle-large.jpg

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

Nunna,
The government must tax people who have money.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

“Does it make a lot of sense to only increase the FEDERAL INCOME TAXES of the people who sign the paychecks?”

Since you are so sure you already know what we think…there’s no need to answer your questions.

F. Sinkwich

November 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

“Price has done a wonderful job.

Please expound.”

Such a thing is obvious to even the most mentally deficient.

So maybe not to Jammie…

RF

November 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

Oh my,now why can’t we all get along like they are in D.C. right now? I swanee, you’d think raising taxes on the wealthy and immigration reform were straight out of the Bible the way our guys are talking.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

They should tax ALL people.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Doggone – I know. You don’t have an answer. That’s OK.

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

“all of your great minds”

WHAT????

RF

November 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

“They should tax ALL people”

Ahhhhhmmm, Mitt my boy, you LOST. Let go of the 47% who got with their friends and whooped yo’ butt.

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

Nunna,
people with no money cannot pay taxes.

josef

November 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

YOBIDNESS

The problem is, you could raise the income tax the same on everybody and still have figures like the ones you’re citing. Raise the income of those classes, and you might decrease those statistics…it’s a matter of legitimate deductions.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

Orange12 – an overstatement for emphasis. They want me to say that they’re not sharp enough to catch it, but I won’t give them the satisfaction.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

barking frog – but they can pay for health insurance and pay penalties if they don’t purchase it?

josef

November 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

YOBIDNESS

In 25 words or less, what FROG says…

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

“I just think it is not appropriate for some Americans to pay no tax at all.”

Lot of folks work but don’t make enough to owe income tax. Those people also spend all their income and pay sales taxes, gas tax, etc., etc. Why the obsession over income tax? A good percentage of those who don’t pay are elderly- I think they’ve earned that right after years of working and paying SS for their parents’ generation.

Doesn't Matter

November 12th, 2012
9:01 pm

In my 65 years I have seen our flag flying thousands and thousands of times but when you have seen it flying in a foreign land over battleground defended by Americans the emotion is an overwhelming one that forever lives within.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

barking frog – I don’t have any money, but I pay my taxes. Unfortunately all my income goes to Blue Cross Blue Shield of GA.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

“Doggone – I know. You don’t have an answer. That’s OK”

Since you already know what I think…what’s my answer?

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

Nunna,
no they can’t and the government will pay it for them.

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

nunna
what do you use as a medium of exchange to pay ?

moonbat betty`

November 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

What part of “you don’t have an answer” were you having difficulty with?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:05 pm

Barking frog – float.

moonbat betty`

November 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

^^^^who said the French couldn’t ROCK?^^^^

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

evenin’ Josef: I see some of the usual array of folks has wandered onto the verandah. I took a weekend to escape to the beach with my youngest boy one last time before the sand gets cold. Folks still going on about taxes and how AWFUL it is to expect a little more out of those at the top of the food chain again?

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

“What part of “you don’t have an answer” were you having difficulty with?”

Ahhhh…so you flunked mind reading too. Welcome to the club.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

RF – nah, just have a problem with freeloaders.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

“Folks still going on about taxes and how AWFUL it is to expect a little more out of those at the top of the food chain again?”

Yep!

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

Doggone – you obviously flunked logic too.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

My bad Doggone. That was mean of me. I apologize. (Really)

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

“Doggone – you obviously flunked logic too”

Everytime I’ve been told that…it’s been by someone who TRULY has poor logic. EVERY time.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:11 pm

I apologized. Gee.

F. Sinkwich

November 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

“In my 65 years I have seen our flag flying thousands and thousands of times but when you have seen it flying in a foreign land over battleground defended by Americans the emotion is an overwhelming one that forever lives within.”

I feel the same way, DM. But you’re pretty much wasting pixels on this blog.

Most here have turned this country into a euro-socialist cesspool that patriots can’t recognize.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

“RF – nah, just have a problem with freeloaders”

Me too, especially those pesky corporations stashing cash overseas so they don’t have to pay taxes on it here. Nothing like refusing to invest in the country you call your home. Unlike those, the poor that don’t pay income taxes spend every penny they make here and help keep the economic engine running. Funny thing, you take more from them and the economy ends up slowing down more. Consumer economics really isn’t all that complicated if you think about it.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

“I apologized. Gee”

Take a look at the posted times before you go all hurt. And nothing you’ve said so far leads me to believe that your apology is sincere. If it is, you owe me about 20 to catch up.

Orange12

November 12th, 2012
9:15 pm

Nunna,

Don’t apologize. It makes them mad. Kind of like kicking them in the balls and then saying you are sorry.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

I meant it, and tried to emphasize it by adding (Really). Your remarks to me were of a non-insulting nature though?

Josef

November 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

RF

Yep. You didn’t miss anything. Glad you and the young’un had some quality time.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

“Most here have turned this country into a euro-socialist cesspool that patriots can’t recognize”

So when did patriotism and liberalism become mutually exclusive concepts? Is it that hard to accept that people can love this country and ALL people in it? It’s that narrow, disdainful view of everyone else that’s driving the Republican party right off into oblivion. You can, in fact, be moderate or even, dare I say it, progressive and still love this country. In fact, there are even some in uniform that voted for the sitting president. Would you court martial them for it?

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Look. I don’t watch FOX. I don’t listen to Rush. You can’t think for yourself, thus we get the same old Fox/Limbaugh garbage. Explain it rather than changing the subject.
+++++++++++++++++

Explain what? I won’t justify words I haven’t said. I was against Obama renewing the Bush tax cuts last time. I said he needed to let them expire and let the tax rate increase on EVERYBODY, so how in the hell am I supposed to “clamor” for something i don’t support?

I know you don’t watch FOX or listen to talk radio. They actually follow YOU around so they can get YOUR thoughts and then they steal them which is why you sound exactly like them. I get it…….

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

Here’s a little reading for the Republicans here and elsewhere from one suburban white guy who has some suggestions for you:

http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09/letter-to-a-future-republican-strategist-regarding-white-people/

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

Is it that hard to accept that people can love this country and ALL people in it?

Yeah, pretty much.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

“Your remarks to me were of a non-insulting nature though?”

do you REALLY expect to come here with aggressive statements, insults, and claims to already know what we think…and then expect a polite conversation?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

Fred – then they better start paying me royalties.

F. Sinkwich

November 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

“So when did patriotism and liberalism become mutually exclusive concepts?”

It’s by definition, dude.

Just listen to O’bozo.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

do you REALLY expect to come here with aggressive statements, insults, and claims to already know what we think…and then expect a polite conversation?

Yeah, pretty much.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:29 pm

You guys were insulting cons way before I got here.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

Hate to leave this lovely discussion, but I gotta go.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

“It’s by definition, dude.

Just listen to O’bozo.”

Yeah, I have been, and so far it does seem to be possible that you can be a Democrat and love this country. Perhaps we love it even more because instead of pining away for what it “used to be” we see the possibilities for what it COULD be and long for that instead. This country’s greatness is built on its inclusiveness and its commitment to “promote the general welfare” of all, not on promoting the welfare of the rich and corporations to whom we should ever so grateful for a crust of bread. It works when we all work together to support it. As the good book says “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.” That is what has made this country great, by God’s own definition, IMO.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

You guys were insulting cons way before I got here.

Oh look, him can read minds and know what we say before him arrives.

Isn’t that — special.

Bill Orvis White

November 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Unshackle the chains of big gov’t and we would see small businessmen thrive. I’m not investing. I’m not hiring. I have no idea how much my taxe$ will be going up come January 2013 and beyond. Also, you naive liberal fools have no idea that all of your taxe$ are going up come January 2013. What? You thought King Hussein Obama wasn’t going to rai$e your taxe$? Guess what? They’re going up thanks to this lying “president” and his Socialist buddies Hairy Read and Nanny Pelosi. Have any of you heard about a double dip recession? Well, it’s coming thanks to you libs. If anyone pulls up to my shed with an Obama sticker, “he” will have to leave my property – no less think that you will ever by my employee, customer or business partner. Amen, Bill

oops

November 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Democrats won the class war.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

“Democrats won the class war”

It’s too soon to say that so definitely. Success in one battle does not war win.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

Bill: that attitude alone will run you out of business. Might as well go ahead and put back up the “Whites Only” sign while you’re at it. If taxes go up for all of us it will be because your party idiots refuse to negotiate and add a little bit of taxation to those who can afford to pay a little more (quite a number of whom have already said it should happen, btw). It IS possible to discuss revenue increases and spending cuts as a reasonable plan. Why even today some of the Republican talking heads are saying it’s not such a bad idea. But refuse to consider it and we will all, in fact, be paying more and head into another recession. If we do, it’s on your heads, and you can bet folks will remember it come 2014, 2016, and for quite a while beyond.

F. Sinkwich

November 12th, 2012
9:41 pm

“This country’s greatness is built on its inclusiveness and its commitment to “promote the general welfare” of all…”

All together now!

Kum-bye-ahhhhh My Lord, Kum-bye-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Get a grip.

Face it, dude, your life is pathetic because YOU made bad decisions. Not corporations, not businesses, not the rich, not the guy next door with a newer car, YOU!

Once you can accept that you’ll feel better.

Maybe even move out of your mom’s basement.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

“It’s too soon to say that so definitely. Success in one battle does not war win”

That battle has only begun, when you consider how many states have strong conservative leadership right now. Texas has already filed for secession- I’d say the war is just beginning, but we have a good idea of where the citizens stand at least for now.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

“Face it, dude, your life is pathetic because YOU made bad decisions. Not corporations, not businesses, not the rich, not the guy next door with a newer car, YOU!”

Actually, spittle spewer, my life is pretty good right now. I have a comfortable house, two pretty nice vehicles, and a career I LOVE!!! All that in absolute spite of all your amazing bobble-head in the WH did to destroy the economy in his two terms. I’m part of middle-class WHITE America that doesn’t think you guys have a dang clue what makes this country work.

I’d say your life is pretty pathetic if you get so riled up by the simple mention of what this country can do besides fill the corporate coffers and squeeze the middle class out of existence. We ain’t goin’ down without a fight, I’ll guar-on-tee you that!

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

“I’d say the war is just beginning, but we have a good idea of where the citizens stand at least for now”

Yes…on both sides.

RF

November 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

“Yes…on both sides.”

And one side a LITTLE uptight at the moment. I wonder how long it will take before the Republican party splits into two parties. I still think we might end up with a strong three party battle in at least the next two election cycles.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

“I still think we might end up with a strong three party battle in at least the next two election cycles.”

Stong, maybe…but equal? Not very likely. If it happens it’s more likely to end up the same as when Lincoln was elected to his first term

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

Wow. Tiberius called me a felon and a tax cheat on Kyle’s blog. I think that’s a little over the top………..

RF

November 12th, 2012
10:03 pm

“If it happens it’s more likely to end up the same as when Lincoln was elected to his first term”

Very very possible. Sadly, I don’t know if the Republican party can pull it’s right-wing back into the fold, and I hear rumblings from young republicans who don’t have any idea how to deal with them, but want the party to move back towards center some. I have friends, even a few on the social far-right who are tired of the party bickering. A lot of the leadership right now is showing willingness to negotiate and take a more moderate approach. I just wonder how many regiestered party members in the citizenry will support such a move. I suspect the far-right will separate itself and slowly dwindle, but it will take a while.

RF

November 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

“Tiberius called me a felon and a tax cheat”

Seems they’d like to lock us all up for daring to think that their view of the country just might be wrong.

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
10:07 pm

“A lot of the leadership right now is showing willingness to negotiate and take a more moderate approach”

I’m afraid I’m more sceptical than you are. All I would say is they TALK like they’re willing to negotiate. I’m witholding judgement until I see what actions they take…in the form of bills presented and how the votes work out on them

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

“Seems they’d like to lock us all up for daring to think that their view of the country just might be wrong”

Yes, some of them certainly project an instinct of that kind

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

Got another early day tomorrow…night all

bob

November 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

RF, we are a global economy and corporations have to compete. In case you are not informed. America has the highest corp tax rate in the world. Corporations are making money overseas and can keep the money abroad or pay the obscene tax rates. You can whine all you want but punitive taxes do not help. You want a better economy then quit punishing people for wanting to make money. You may recall when a few years back the democrats came up with the luxury tax on yachts. Dems told us the rich should pay more and how many millions the tax would raise and raised the tax. After many people lost their jobs, congress repealed the tax. Go ahead and whine but corporations owe you nothing. Bring the tax in line with other countries and more money will come home, until then that money will stay overseas.

Jm

November 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

Democrats may just drive America over the cliff

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

You want a better economy then quit punishing people for wanting to make money.

Supply side nonsense.

A better economy comes from consumer demand.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:27 pm

RF

November 12th, 2012
10:32 pm

bob: we also have a LOT of deductions,exclusions, expenses, etc. that corporations are allowed to take to “reduce” their actual profits. I do have some working knowledge of what businesses go through to reduce their profits to reduce tax liability, and it’s a messy, complicated ordeal. I’m not talking about punishing people for making money. The tax code needs overhauling, and sooner rather than later. The tax increase I’m supporting is on individual income. And it’s not right that a corporate CEO, via deductions, etc., can end up paying a lower effective tax rate than many of us in the middle class. Either we do the hard work of reforming the code and eliminating some of the elusive means many use to avoid taxation of their individual incomes or we have to raise the rate. Raising the rate is the short-term fix. We haven’t reformed the code in part because too many don’t want to give up the deductions they can take that reduce their taxable income because losing some of those deductions would cost them a LOT more than a simple rate increase. Options you see to that?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
10:33 pm

Our President won so his plans won.

Two thumpins means your plans lost.

Deal with it cons.

RF

November 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

“Democrats may just drive America over the cliff”

Seems we’ve had that discussion many many times, and technically it WAS the Republicans who fast-tracked us into the single worst recession since the 1930’s…and you’ll always own that one.

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

Democrats may just drive America over the cliff.

Perhaps, but unlike Flip & Eddie at least they’ll get the chance!

And given the recent really bad predictions around here lately (71’s Romney Landslide call…LOL), I might be incline to regroup and keep my mouth shut for awhile…

But hey, we can’t all be damn near perfect like I was this time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL84jPY829I

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

I am sure we can close a few more schools to give those poor overburden yacht owners a break…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

Seems we’ve had that discussion many many times, and technically it WAS the Republicans who fast-tracked us into the single worst recession since the 1930’s…and you’ll always own that one.

Clinton and his economic team have fingerprints on that as well.

RF

November 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

“A better economy comes from consumer demand”

And for some unexplainable reason, many of the ‘consumers’ posting here LOVE to complain about their god-awful taxes and how much a gallon of gas costs, but conveniently forget that if you give the consumers less to spend, then the whole encomomy slows down at some point. The simple fact is that middle-class incomes have flatlined for decades while the top earners have enjoyed steady, healthy increases. Sooner or later the house of cards falls when those at the base of it spend less.

RF

November 12th, 2012
10:39 pm

“Clinton and his economic team have fingerprints on that as well”

Oh yes they do. That is my one major criticism of his administration. They presided over and perhaps even encouraged the deregulation that ran rampant in the next decade. They helped set the stage and the jesters jumped on it and had a wild time.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

lets take this whoopin out for a spin.

Papa John Shmatterhorn, Shmatterly, whatever cutting workers hrs
and says pizza is going up because of Obamacare – cutting hrs
and benefits, raising your price for pizza, while givin away 2mil of
them on NFL teevee.

Let’s do a Chik-Fil-A in reverse. We’ve about shut em down here
at da beach. NO PAPA JOHNS EVER AGAIN.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:44 pm

NO PAPA JOHNS EVER AGAIN.

Unlike Chik-Fil-A, I have never sampled a Pap John’s pizza.

Am I missing something?

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

NAFTA, Glass-Steagle, turning a blind eye to one of modern history’s biggest corporate crime waves and reducing disability, old-age and food-stamp assistance for millions of children in working families?

Yeah, no wonder the GOPers think OK of Slick Willy as a prez.

Me? Not so much.

Although at least he knew how to fight a war without screwing it up from beginning to end…

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:54 pm

Democrats may just drive America over the cliff.

________

If it happens, will be a joint effort. GOP controls the House.
Will be a bipartisan effort to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff or keeping it from happening.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:55 pm

Am I missing something?

____

Just another bad pizza.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

Oscar

Kinda what I figured. I try to buy from local mom and pop pizzerias.

Or make my own.

I let Boboli do the crust, though.

Oscar

November 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

JamVet

November 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

_____

In Clinton’s defense, the House and Congress were GOP. He made the best deal he could.
Glass-Steagle, I think the repeal vote was almost unanimous. Everyone was fooled on that one. It’s repeal may have been one of the worst mistakes of the last fifty years.

RF

November 12th, 2012
11:02 pm

St. Simons: I have to laugh at those blowhards threatening to raise prices or shut down over it. Go ahead and treat your employees bad and raise prices- you’ll be out of business soon anyway. Rather than give up one dime of big-dollar paydays to management and offer something that might encourage employees to work harder and actually want to do well at their jobs and keep their jobs, they’ll settle for cutting hours, lowering morale, and in the end hurting their bottom line worse because they’ll have fewer dedicated employees who will produce an even worse product.

Papa’s not such a bad pizza. Better than Pizza Hut and Domino’s I reckon.

Jm

November 12th, 2012
11:03 pm

“Just another bad pizza.”

Snob

barking frog

November 12th, 2012
11:03 pm

Democrats may just drive America over the cliff.
……………………………………………………..
and Republicans will be on the back of the bus where Obama sent them.

RF

November 12th, 2012
11:05 pm

“It’s repeal may have been one of the worst mistakes of the last fifty years”

I have to agree with that!! That was the beginning of the unraveling that took ten years more or less to complete. But rather than learn from history, folks are sqawkin’ about overregulating Wall St.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
11:35 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

Oscar

Kinda what I figured. I try to buy from local mom and pop pizzerias.

Or make my own.

I let Boboli do the crust, though.
++++++++++++++++++

That’s a good damn idea. When I finish this remodel I’l have you over and we can do up some pizza’s on the green egg. We’ll either let Boboli do the crust or we can try USinUK’s recipe………
and don’t none of ya’s get stupid over the recipe name lol

http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/date-night-pizza/

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
11:37 pm

Jm

November 12th, 2012
11:03 pm

“Just another bad pizza.”

Snob
+++++++++++++++++++++

Not really. I’ve never had a good Papa John’s pizza. I get food from Papa John’s less often than I do from Chik fila and I HATE Chik FilA lol.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 12th, 2012
11:56 pm

I don’t care if its a good or bad pizza or not.
It is a very bad man at the head of it, and I want to use my free speech
to help him crash & burn, and let a decent person running a decent
company fill that niche. If a con can do it, we will do it bettah.
freeeee mahket babeeeee.

The best way to beat somebody is at their own game.
Trust the indian on that one.

Atlantan

November 13th, 2012
12:02 am

I predict Republicans cave – taxes go up only on $250k or more, cap gains and inheritance. Spending isn’t cut at all, maybe growth of it, but not real cuts. 4 years from now we are looking at $22trillion in debt and left is openly stating the rich aren’t paying their fair share……

Fred ™

November 13th, 2012
12:21 am

Atlantan: You also predicted that Romney would win the Presidential election did you not? You don;thave a very good track record on your predictions. I hope you didn’t quit your day job.

Fred ™

November 13th, 2012
12:24 am

St. Simon’s: I agree. Screw them. “Papa John’ has a net worth of at least a quarter billion dollars.He’s going to screw his under paid employees and never lose a dime. I would boycott him but like I said, I think his product sucks and don’t buy it anyway.

Dr. Price

November 13th, 2012
12:25 am

Liberals are like roaches……you turn on a light & they scatter for cover!
Benghazi 4 Watergate 0

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 13th, 2012
1:00 am

I think they’ll reach a deal before the trade deadline -

for Puerto Rico to become the 50th state, and Georgia will
become a banana republic possession.

Just Saying..

November 13th, 2012
4:55 am

Republicans.
The best thing Democrats have going for them…

stands for decibels

November 13th, 2012
5:58 am

mornin’.

I’m basically on the same page as Atrios who, ’round midnight, posted:

Kind Of Obvious

But I haven’t seen it said yet. Looks like a corrupt abuse of the surveillance state took down the CIA chief.

HILARIOUS

And no, I haven’t seen anyone else come right out and say this yet, either.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 13th, 2012
6:00 am

Joe Hussein Mama

November 13th, 2012
9:24 am

RB — “That ^^^^^^^ pretty much sums up a conversation with little lying Joey.”

Oh, Punkin, I haven’t lied to you *yet.* But I’ll be sure to let you know when I ever do. (giggling) :D

“Here’s a tip for you little lying Joey”

Here’s a tip for you, RB. You’re not *nearly* as smart as you think you are. Nor are you particularly honest. (snicker) :D

“just about everything posted here by everybody is an OPINION.”

Well that’s just your *opinion,* RB. (cackling with glee) :D

“Somehow, IMO, you seem to think your opinions are all valid”

Wrong again, RB. (laughing, pointing) :D

I’ve neither said nor thought any such thing — ever — on this blog or elsewhere.

“while others opinions need to be proven or verified in some way.”

Shrug. If you’re going to make up bulldada thoughts and opinions and then make out like other posters *actually* said or believe the crap you fabricate for them, then *yes,* you certainly *do* need to prove or verify your garbage.

You repeatedly make assertions about what others think, say and believe, and your excuse is ‘well, that’s just my opinion?’ You sound like Doom and is ‘i wuz only jokin’ excuse. :roll:

“Sorry little lying Joey, it doesn’t work that way.”

Well that’s good, dishonest RB, because that’s neither what I think nor expect.

BTW, you weren’t ever in the military, were you? Because you have absolutely LOUSY aim. (giggling) :D

“Big difference….. that’s funny as heck!!!”

Intelligent people can see the difference, which is why it comes as no surprise to me that you don’t. (laughing, pointing) :D

Joe Hussein Mama

November 13th, 2012
9:26 am

RB — “My example didn’t say anything about having 2 kids and a wife or 3 kids. You added those things.”

You’re one to complain about others ‘adding things,’ RB. :roll:

Joe Hussein Mama

November 13th, 2012
9:31 am

Nunna Yobinnes — Interesting that you laugh it off as delusional. How else could you explain it?”

You need to look back at what was said. Let’s go to the tape!

“RB — “I realize you liberals want to punish successful people for having money”

JHM – “Delusional troll is delusional. (laughing)”

Now, who said anything about ‘punishing’ successful people? And it’s not *just* successful people who have money. My wife’s best friend from college is so filthy stinking rich that if I told you his last name, you would *immediately* know how his family made its money — but he had nothing whatsoever to do with it and he doesn’t work in the family business. So how’s he “successful,” exactly?

“I want entitlement programs and I want someone else to pay for it.”

And how’s that ‘punishing,’ exactly?

“Not delusional at all.”

Of course it is. That ‘punishment’ thing is just a dog-whistle for the conservatives to pick up on.

“Democrats hate successful people that don’t need government assistance to prosper.”

And there’s the delusional part. See, now you’ve caught it as well. :D

Joe Hussein Mama

November 13th, 2012
9:34 am

Nunna Yobinnes — “Just like Democrats. Ignore substance, concentrate on semantics.”

If you can’t be specific with your terms, your math, etc., then don’t expect to be treated seriously.

Also known as Thulsa’s Law.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 13th, 2012
9:37 am

Nunna Yobinnes — “Like I saw on one of these discussions, I’ve never gotten a paycheck from a poor employer.”

Really? That’s strange. Because we hear on here all day long that increasing taxes on families making over $250K will be the death of small businesses.

Sounds to me like either those small businessmen are poor-mouthing the rest of us, or else your argument just ran off the rails.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 13th, 2012
10:23 am

Kamchak – No, I don’t read minds, but I can read prior posts. Why would you assume I was trying to read minds?

JHM – Raising taxes on small business holders might result in more unemployment for the workers.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 13th, 2012
4:02 pm

Nunna Yobinnes — “JHM – Raising taxes on small business holders might result in more unemployment for the workers.”

I’m sure you’ve never seen me say it (unless. of course, you’re simply a sockpuppet for an election-embarrassed regular here), but I have no problem at all extending tax breaks to businesses for creating jobs and filling them with *American* workers.

Conversely, I have no problem with *withdrawing* tax breaks from companies that create jobs overseas — even to the point of offsetting *other* beneficial tax breaks they would otherwise receive.

If a business can’t be bothered to create jobs for Americans, then they should have no expectation of receiving tax breaks from those selfsame Americans.

Mick

November 13th, 2012
7:55 pm

**Most here have turned this country into a euro-socialist cesspool that patriots can’t recognize**.

**I’m not investing. I’m not hiring. I have no idea how much my taxe$ will be going up come January 2013 and beyond**

What in the hell kind of Americans are you? Whiners and babbies.

When your buddy the bushman got re-upped, we mourned and moved on. It all ended exactly as everyone predicted – bankrupt! That’s right, four short years ago bush left this country in shambles.

Bill orivis, do you really profit over 250k in your plumbing business? If not, don’t worry and if you do, make more money instead of retreating into your shed and pulling the covers over your head, mommy isn’t there…

Unbelievable….respect needs to be earned, not given.

Truth

November 14th, 2012
3:53 pm

Price will fail in the house and in the Senate if he keeps this up. He was opposed by a no-name Dem in this years election and Mr. No-name garnered a healthy % of the vote… A true mandate on what people think of him and his hard line stances. Price needs to work together to get some things done and stop drawing lines in the sand like a five year old.

jasc77

November 15th, 2012
12:46 pm

What entitlement do Republicans want to delete?

United States Government Entitlement Programs:
529 or Coverdell
Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax Credit
Student Loans
Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit
Social Security–Retirement & Survivors
Pell Grants
Unemployment Insurance
Veterans Benefits
G.I. Bill
Medicare
Head Start
Social Security Disability
SSI–Supplemental Security Income
Medicaid
Welfare/Public Assistance
Government Subsidized Housing
Food Stamps