Georgia’s Tom Price a central figure in D.C. drama

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With the election finally behind us, President Obama and Congress will now try to set partisanship aside and cut a major deal on taxes, spending and entitlements.

Good luck on that, right?

The good news — which is also the bad news — is that they have enormous incentive to succeed. Without a new law, taxes are set to jump by $400 billion at the start of the year and federal spending will be slashed by $200 billion. If allowed to take full effect, those steps have the potential to set off another deep recession. So the future looks much like the past, with weeks of drama, confrontation, intrigue and brinksmanship looming between Democrats and Republicans, between the House and Senate and between Congress and the White House.

The same can be said of two Georgia Republicans, U.S. Rep. Tom Price of Marietta Roswell and U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss. Over the next three to six months, they’ll be watching each other very closely, and their interactions have the potential to directly affect the course of national politics.

Chambliss is a conservative Republican, but on fiscal issues he has been more willing than many of his GOP colleagues to consider compromise with Democrats. Much as he dislikes higher taxes, he seems to fear soaring debt even more. He has taken a leadership role in the Gang of Eight, a group of four Republican senators and four Democratic senators who have been talking and plotting for at least two years to try to reach agreement on how to slash the deficit.

The day after the election, for example, at a moment when the rest of the nation was still trying to digest what happened, Chambliss joined other gang members on a conference call to plot their course once Congress reconvenes on Tuesday. There’s a lot of skepticism about whether they can succeed, but they represent one of the few forums in which Republicans and Democrats are actually trying to reach consensus.

The broad outlines of a deal are no secret. As a matter of politics and simple math, the only way to significantly reduce the deficit is to increase tax revenues and decrease spending. You do both, or you do nothing. It’s as simple as that. Democrats who are protective of entitlement programs and the safety net have to be willing to make cuts in those programs in return for higher tax revenue, particularly from more affluent Americans. Republicans who have refused to consider higher taxes have to be willing to soften that stance in return for entitlement reform.

Which is where Price comes in.

The former physician from Marietta is one of the most conservative members of Congress and continues to reject the notion of compromise with Democrats. Last week, for example, House Speaker John Boehner made the logical point that with the president’s re-election, ObamaCare is now certain to survive. But in an interview on Fox News Sunday, Price refused to make that concession, insisting that Republicans will continue to fight it at every turn.

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Cathy McMorris Rodgers addresses the 2012 Republican National Convention. (AP)

Price has also decided to seek the chairmanship of the House Republican Conference, the No. 4 position in the House hierarchy. There too, he is bumping heads with Boehner, who has thrown his support behind the conference vice chair, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington.

If elected conference chair, McMorris Rodgers would become the only woman in a major leadership role in the House GOP. (For example, none of the 21 House committees is chaired by a woman.) That’s a major image problem for a party having serious trouble attracting female voters. McMorris Rodgers is also more moderate than Price, who is trying to rally fellow House conservatives to his cause.

The race between Price and McMorris Rodgers — to be decided in a secret ballot among House Republicans — will be watched as a test of Boehner’s strength and influence within his caucus. Price is considered the underdog, but should he win, it would bode poorly for Boehner’s ability to deliver his caucus on important budget votes in the next few months.

However, if Price loses, that too could have a serious impact on the national debate over revenue and spending. If his ambitions are frustrated in the House, Price becomes much more likely to take on Chambliss in the 2014 Republican Senate primary. His strategy would be to hang the dreaded RINO nametag around the neck of Georgia’s senior senator, depicting Chambliss as a sellout to the GOP cause.

So every time Chambliss is quoted in the media over the next few months as seeking a “balanced” approach to our debt problem, Price will take note. Every time Chambliss appears in public alongside Senate Democrats preaching compromise, a potential campaign commercial will be born.

And both men, I suspect, will be keeping very close tabs on things here at home, through polling and phone calls, trying to determine just how much leeway Georgia Republicans are prepared to give Chambliss in the budget debate.

Should a backlash develop among the GOP base here at home, the senator may be forced to decide whether addressing a major national challenge is worth significant risk to his political future.

It is.

– Jay Bookman

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Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:47 pm

Paul first of all you don’t have to withdraw anything, it’s a political blog, we are gonna argue, it’s not meant to be personal.

We’re you telling me to read all his archived stuff or one specific one ?

alex

November 12th, 2012
3:47 pm

@ Paul: you are such an easy mark, -more than Obama in 2008- too easy…….

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:48 pm

Tundra

Kinda wondered why you’d post that.

Mama

Defense – dig into it a bit, you’ll find a lot of overlap and program costs skyrocketing and antiquated programs and all sorts of things. When you’ve got a 600 and some odd billion dollar exercise it’s pretty much assumed there’s gonna be some areas that can be cut.

Especially in a government program.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:49 pm

RB — “Wow, Joey, that just amazing. Everybody who read that crap knows you do here EXACTLY what you’ve been whining at me for all day,”

Of course not, RB. You don’t speak for anyone except yourself. (laughing) :D

“I present the evidence to you in your own words”

You didn’t *present* any evidence, RB. You just jumped to a lot of mistaken conclusions that I easily refuted and debunked. Once again, sonny, *you* don’t get to determine what *anyone else* means.

“and you post yet another screed of BS denying EVERYTHING.”

Well, I can’t very well *agree* with you when you’re full of bullspit, RB. (giggling) :D

“Don’t do as Joey does, everybody, do as little childish Joes SAYS.”

Yes, RB. That’s right. You would be very well served by doing as I tell you — including dropping the namecalling, by being polite and by behaving in an adult manner. That’s absolutely right.

NOW you’re getting it. (giggling) :D

“Here little Joey, I’ll throw you a bone…”

What was that about a ‘little bone,’ RB? TMI, son, TMI. Better keep that to yourself. (snickering) :D

“Why did little Joey post something about CNG/LP vehicles in the first place? What was your point supposed to be?”

Firstly, your initial post on this thread contained a great deal of presumptuous bulldada about ‘liberals wanting to punish successful people.’ And you moved pretty quickly to the name-calling, dismissing and gainsaying (as your normally do). But then you got snotty about the price of diesel vs. gas and how much more important the price of diesel was — and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two. So I posted the photo of the UPS tractor-trailer filling up at an LNG station for you.

There aren’t many organizations that can even *approach* the sheer amount of point-to-point freight UPS moves and delivers in a day — and they’re using *less and less* diesel in their fleet. They use JP1 and JP4 in their aircraft. They use LNG in *many* of their delivery trucks. And now they’re even using LNG in their tractor-trailer fleet. So what we have here, RB, is one of the biggest freight companies in the world working towards getting *off* diesel and onto other fuels, and that flies right in the face of your nasty comment of this morning.

Quite frankly, given how nasty and mean to others you tend to be, I thought you deserved a nice quick b-slap on that topic this morning. And that’s why you received that post.

I didn’t make *any* comment about how much of their fleet uses other fuels. I didn’t make *any* comment about them not using diesel at all. And I didn’t make *any* comment about diesel being some sort of endangered fuel source or anything like that. I just wanted to point out to you that one of the biggest freight haulers in the world DISAGREES with you, RB.

You needn’t be a jerk in making your points. In fact, I think you’d enjoy it here more if you chilled the eff out. You might even find that we agree on quite a few things. Then again, if you’re going to keep up the Captain Cardiac act, I’ll gladly keep poking at your for fun. :D

“Speak for yourself, Joey, or STFU.”

Spoken. And now *you* STFU, Richard.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

Long as we’re comparing man dates: about 126 million voted this year; 90 million voted in the 2010 mid-terms.

(And, yes, 132 million voted in 2008, so I guess we should all be mindful of the depressed turnout this time around before we go assuming stuff.)

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

JamVet, “You and I don’t get them, neither should they.”

What tax deductions do the 1% get that you and I are not entitled to? Be specific.

And how about an actual answer this time. You dodged the one from this morning with your made up lie about tax incentives for moving jobs off shore. You can post that too if you want since you’ve been waiting for somebody to ask.

Brosephus™

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

But the current climate will not allow for incremental efforts. I believe we need to do it in one shot. If we can do it at all we need to do it all.

I disagree with that. Doing it incrementally allows for the economy to assist in lowering the deficit and debt. Doing it all at once can end up triggering a recession and wipe out any improvement we have made so far.

stands for decibels

November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm

probably should’ve provided a source for my numbers @ 3.50: here ’tis.

http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm

M. Says — “But then again it’s not that you don’t like the wars not being on the books you just wanted to spend it on other things.”

No. We were actually experiencing modest budget *surpluses* at the end of the Clinton Administration. I would have liked to have seen those surpluses go directly toward retiring national debt.

josef

November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm

Here’s a good chance for the GOP to signal a move back to, at least, something resembling sanity. Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers represents the Fifth District of Washington, an area known for being the antithesis of the Evergreen State “west of the mountains,” conservative but rational. It just goes to show how far off the deep end the GOP has swung when their representative would be considered “moderate.”

Price? Oy to the max!

mm

November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

I see the cons still have not found reality. What a surprise.

Tundra Dude

November 12th, 2012
3:54 pm

Mama:
Taxes are taxes they are raised by taking money from the people. If you don’t like what republicans did don’t vote for them.
But then again it’s not that you don’t like the wars not being on the books you just wanted to spend it on other things.

Oh, thanks, didn’t know you were a Mind Controller.
(left to my own feeble mind, I’d just keep the money for myself)

I sure as heck don’t want to feed (R)ed Pigs:

Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth
http://bloom.bg/UfnErV

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm

I will read them.

But in general we should avoid the labels, I agree. It’s hard sometimes though.

I say something someone else says something. Then I am a racist and they are socialist. We al, need to take a breath.

When I was younger I voted about half and half. Now I will never vote for a democrat. I am very middle class have a sick wife and kids so the democratic position on a lot of things sound good.

I just can’t stand being called a racists if I don’t agree with Obama, a chauvinist if I don’t agree. With Hillary and a rich man when I am struggling. It’s democratic hyperbole that really turns me off. I know we are wrong on some issues but the take from give to approach is not how I was raised and III can’t buy into it. Not until they spend all of our money as if they care about it as if its their own

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm

alex

You did not answer the question of what experience Rubio has to be president.

Or do the arguments Republicans used against Obama in 2008 not apply to Rubio?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

Mama says

Thanks, but I think some protocols should govern how one interacts. I try to have to only time to come across as dismissive is when a blogger is being obdurate.

mm

November 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

If republicans are so damn smart, why didn’t they see the Obama landslide coming?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Mama says

“We’re you telling me to read all his archived stuff or one specific one ?”

I was referencing the Fair Tax archive, since it seemed to deal with many of the points you were making.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Tundra,

I am going by the comments that Obama made. He is the same man who some now say has a mandate.

I am reading your post and the votes. He won based on spending the money at home. Didn’t he ?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
3:59 pm

M. Says — ” I am very middle class have a sick wife and kids so the democratic position on a lot of things sound good.”

I don’t know how old you are; are you in a position to take advantage of Medicaid or Medicare? Or do you have coverage through your employer?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:01 pm

Mama says

My take is the racist labeling went out a long time ago. Except for a few who can’t think who use that as the way to answer anything they can’t answer rationally.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:01 pm

SUE ELLEN
“Even Forsyth County has changed over time – and will continue to change as the years, and perceptions, change.”

EVEN? Why that “even…?” Tacky, just plain tacky…

DannyX

November 12th, 2012
4:02 pm

“That’s why I say the dems will follow the same fate Danny”

Mama, Republicans were unwilling to compromise when they thought they had that 2010 mandate. They certainly don’t have anything close to a mandate now and are still saying the same things they were prior to the election. The ball is in their court but they still don’t want to play.

With the upcoming expiration of the Bush tax cuts and sequestration it really doesn’t matter who has the mandate. Democrats can do nothing now forcing Republicans to come to the table in good faith by letting the tax cuts expire and sequestration take effect. Another bargaining chip Democrats have is the estate tax cuts that are also expiring, Republicans would absolutely hate to see them expire.

Democrats don’t need a mandate, they have all the power they need. They also have the backing of most Americans, exit polls showed majority support for a tax increase on the rich.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:04 pm

mm — “If republicans are so damn smart, why didn’t they see the Obama landslide coming?”

I think it was the Republican echo chamber. I think they conned themselves into believing the ‘unskewed’ poll numbers.

As it turns out, the Romney campaign — somewhere along the line — bought into the whole ‘unskewing’ argument, so when they were claiming that they were going to win in the last few days of the election, they apparently *believed* it because they were looking at the ‘unskewed’
poll numbers.

The whole notion of oversampling has been overblown. If you take an *absolutely* random sample, you can mathematically derive the Margin of Error — which *already accounts* for any possible oversampling. But what the ‘unskewers’ did was this:

Let’s say that XYZ Polling Firm came out with a poll a week before the election showing Obama up 2% in Ohio and dead even in Florida. Let’s also say that the poll ‘oversampled’ Democrats by 6%. The Romney campaign would then *shift* the poll figures by that much — thereby showing Romney up 4% in Ohio and up 6% in Florida.

No wonder they thought they were going to win.

No wonder they took the loss so hard.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:05 pm

Paul,

Obdurate, really ?

I told you I am a con, why would you use a big word like that with me ?

Now I have to look that up also

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

I just can’t stand being called a racists if I don’t agree with Obama, a chauvinist if I don’t agree. With Hillary and a rich man when I am struggling

Seems to me you have a problem with hearing based on your perceptions of why you were “called a racist” at the same time being very toned deaf to women being called sluts.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

mm

What “landslide?” Look at the popular vote, that was no landslide. Just a few votes in a few key states, and the EC “landslide” would have looked quite different.

The only “landslide” these election returns show is a landslide for the “Who-Gives-a-Sh*t”Party of the non voters…

godless heathen

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

exit polls showed majority support for a tax increase on the rich.

Two wolves and a goat voted on what is to be for dinner.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:07 pm

Whine some more little Joey. Your comments all day long speak for you.

“and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two. So I posted the photo of the UPS tractor-trailer filling up at an LNG station for you”

You’ll have to get up a little earlier tomorrow, Joey, and bring a few more of your silly liberal friends with you, cause the crap you post here isn’t taking anybody down. Congrats to UPS for converting to CNG. As a percent of the US movement of goods, it’s INSIGNIFICANT. And whoever the poster was this morning claiming gas prices were down so the price of good should have come down with it is one of yours, Joey. Maybe instead of whining at me, you should spend your time educating your fellow liberals so they don’t make stupid comments like that again tomorrow?

Run along now child.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

M. Says — “Now I have to look that up also”

Looking things up is good. It shows that you’re willing to learn things, and that you’re willing to put forth the effort to do so.

Thumbs up for you. :) ^^^

yuzeyurbrane

November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

Jose–the real question is: should millionaires like Warren Buffett only have to pay FICA tax on only their first $110,000 of wage income? That is the cap now for income subject to SS taxes. There is no cap on Medicare taxes. And why should it be limited to wage income only? Warren, Mitt and others of the megawealthy earn little in salary or wages but a lot in interest and dividends. So they pay less than you or me in FICA as a % of their incomes–a lot, lot, lot less. Then just cap their benefits at the same as for everyone. No more SS shortfall. Problem solved.

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
4:09 pm

RB, answered your question about why people are poor.

Your turn. Why are poor people poor?

yuzeyurbrane

November 12th, 2012
4:10 pm

Also, it would at least help a lot with Medicare shortfall by adding interest and dividend income. Problem partially solved.

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Mama Says: I just can’t stand being called a racists if I don’t agree with Obama, a chauvinist if I don’t agree. With Hillary and a rich man when I am struggling. It’s democratic hyperbole that really turns me off.

Or a “Taker” if you go through a bad spot and need unemployement for a few weeks.
Or an “Illegal” even if you were born in the US by hispanic parents.
Or “. . .

You get the idea. Not sure how you can vote so one-sided when they all do it. :)

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Mama – if we haven’t said so yet – welcome to the blog. Nobody here minds disagreement.

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

“I think they conned themselves into believing the ‘unskewed’ poll numbers”

Thinking for others again, Joey? Didn’t you demand others stop doing that? Live up to your own damand, Joey, or stop making them.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Mama

Bosch reappeared and I thought he missed the Word of the Day so I’m just kinda in WoD mode.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

EVEN? Why that “even…?”

Because it is deserved.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

Why are poor people poor? They don’t have any money.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

RB — “Whine some more little Joey. Your comments all day long speak for you.”

Nobody’s whining here but you, RB. And your constant rudeness and poor behavior speak for *you.*

“You’ll have to get up a little earlier tomorrow, Joey, and bring a few more of your silly liberal friends with you, cause the crap you post here isn’t taking anybody down.”

Aaaaand again with the mindreading failure, RB. I didn’t say anything about ‘taking anybody down,’ your dishonest misrepresentation notwithstanding.

Read more closely and learn to pay attention. I can’t always be bothered to slow everything down to your level.

“Congrats to UPS for converting to CNG. As a percent of the US movement of goods, it’s INSIGNIFICANT.”

Evidence, please. I’d like to see you *prove* your claim, which would be quite a unique thing indeed. What percentage of US freight does UPS move in a day?

“And whoever the poster was this morning claiming gas prices were down so the price of good should have come down with it is one of yours, Joey.”

So? What’s your point? Besides the one atop your skull, that is. (giggling) :D

“Maybe instead of whining at me”

Silly RB. You’re being *educated,* but you’re too thick to realize it. (snicker) :D

“you should spend your time educating your fellow liberals so they don’t make stupid comments like that again tomorrow?”

Given how clueless, arrogant and nasty you are, I’m not particularly worried about things *you* think are “stupid.”

“Run along now child.”

Denied. You will return now and post again for my amusement, puppet. Do as you’re told.

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:15 pm

K’CHAK

Why is it deserved?

getalife

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Two thumpins means hush puppy.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Good fight,

Show me where I have called any person a slut please.

I don’t recall calling anyone a slut. I have never said anything like that.

The entire democratic approach to those who oppose Obama has been to call them racists. I don’t think the slut thing is a campaign I believe it was said by Rush in his response to birth control mandates.

alex

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Paul, U.S. Senator and Speaker of the house in Fla. The point is ,someone like him in the republican ticket could rewrite the race,whomever is running…That is obvious?!? I apologise , I assumed you could read, sheesh .

@joe: “bulldada”- good stuff ! “STFU” and you write about mean and nasty, a bit thin skinned, I would say, Captain Cardiac,: ” defirillator, Stat, , resume compressions,hand me the ET tube……”
Well we tried , but Good ole’ Joe HAS been brain dead for a while…… Goodnight and drive carefully, them highways are slick with rain and the perspiration of the hardworking americans of this city.

Currently reading:”to Conquer Hell”, the meuse-argonne,1918…..Thanks to all Vets!

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
4:17 pm

““I think they conned themselves into believing the ‘unskewed’ poll numbers”’

Do you disagree with the statement at all, RB? Or is it just your anger at a particular poster?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

RB — “Thinking for others again, Joey?”

Stop whining, RB. I clearly expressed my *opinion.* If you’re not honest enough to recognize that, then you need professional help.

“Didn’t you demand others stop doing that?”

Not in the least. I clearly pointed out that you repeatedly speak for people *who are here* and who you could *ask* to clarify their position. Since you’re too dishonest to do that, I called you on it.

And I shall continue to do so, regardless of how upsetting you find it.

“Live up to your own damand, Joey, or stop making them.”

Grow up and become honest for a change, RB, or stop posting. (giggling) :D

This is fun! Post again for me, puppet! Dance! DANCE!!! (clapping hands) :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

josef

We have spoken of this before.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

alex — “Well we tried , but Good ole’ Joe HAS been brain dead for a while…… ”

Your English usage lessons will continue tomorrow, alex. Please come prepared this time. :D

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

DANNYX

I think you are referring to DEM voters..of which only 37% didn’t agree with increased taxes for “rich”..or those over $250K..

Seems to be intuitive to me…if I’m in any group below that income threshold, what does it cost me to increase theirs to leave mine alone?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

K’CHAK

Yes. And you still have not provided a rational, intelligent, coherent answer. It’s the same broad brushing on the left as the right does. It’s tacky and unimaginative, supercilious, holier than thou, pious. and, well, tacky…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:23 pm

Price? Oy to the max!

No kidding josef. I was just gerrymandered into his district. How much do you think he cares about Dekalb County?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:25 pm

Yes. And you still have not provided a rational, intelligent, coherent answer.

Do you not remember our discussion about an infamous sign that used to reside in Forsyth Co.?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

Mama Says

Save your hissy fit girl…what I said was you were “being very toned deaf to women being called sluts” while whining about being called racist, etc. I never said you called any woman a slut. Again, it seems that your fainting act is based on a perception issue and your false self-victimization.

Or do you deny that many in the GOP called women like Sandra Fluke sluts and worse? :roll:

Bosch

November 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

Just saw it Paul! Obdurate. Nice.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

The entire democratic approach to those who oppose Obama has been to call them racists.

Again, Mama says, your hissy fit is based on your false perceptions. Opposition to Obama was not the basis for a “racist” label in and by itself.

I don’t think the slut thing is a campaign I believe it was said by Rush in his response to birth control mandates.

And Mitt’s response was a meek “that’s not the word I would have chosen.” :roll:

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

“Why are poor people poor? They don’t have any money.”

And the rabbi whacks little sm@rt@ss josef upside the head.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

Hey Bosch. Nice of you to drop by. How’s the new business?

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:32 pm

I said I was tired of being called a racist so your response is that women are called sluts. How does either apply to the facts.

And I am entitled to hissy fits, which I consider gender bias

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:32 pm

Lord Help Us, sorry, didn’t see your reply.

I think your list pretty much covers it, however, most of what you posted are choices people have made and made badly. Excepting special needs family and mental illness, the rest are correctable, but only if the person puts forth the effort. My opinion is, the 2 biggest factors affecting most of them are a lack of education and a lack of work ethic. Even a HS dropout, however, has the ability to start as a fry cook at BK, show up for work, do a good job, show some initiative, advance to shift manager and eventually store manager, but it takes work ethic. Same for a carpenter on a construction site, a plumber’s apprentice, etc. No amount of welfare poured on these people will ever stop them from being poor if they won’t make any effort to help themselves.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

Mama says

Nope that was not my response. Now be a good little poster and go back and read the response and stop being so foolish. You really are being childish.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

alex

“Paul, U.S. Senator and Speaker of the house in Fla. ”

Kinda sounds like Obama’s credentials.

Has Rubio ever held a real job?

Is he like Obama in that regard, too?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

K’CHAK

Used to…imperfect PAST tense…you claim not to be a Baptist (sneeringly, too, I might add) yet you seem to be a firm subscriber to the sins of the fathers….

You will also recall at the time that I made the point that I had been privileged to be on a tutoyer basis with a good number of folks from Forsyth. and don’t forget, Native Atlantan that you are, this city too busy to hate gave us one of the worst race riots in American history and Leo Frank, the Temple bombing…need I go on…so, I suppose we could just as easily say EVEN in Atlanta? Sure but not with the same punch, however factual it may be.

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

Bosch

The old times, they are the good times worth recreating!

Regnad Kcin

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

“Even a HS dropout, however, has the ability to start as a fry cook at BK, show up for work, do a good job”

RB – only if jobs are available, right?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

BOSCH

Hoooowdeeee! Fill us in…have you left the 47% and the liberal plantation yet? :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

…you claim not to be a Baptist (sneeringly, too, I might add)

Nope. They held my head under the water.

My claims are to agnosticism.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Josef

If you want a laugh, I went to a gwinnett county high school recently to attend a cheerleading competition…high above the entrance way hall to gy, there is a quote, and I kid you not by Ayn Rand written in billboard sized font…

They had no idea but the quote, which i recall is about realizing dreams, runs slap in the face of religious tint these schools possess..

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Mama says: I said I was tired of being called a racist so your response is that women are called sluts. How does either apply to the facts.

thank you. You are correct that NEITHER apply to the facts. Now, how about telling us why you only think it applies to Democrats calling YOU names, and not Republicans calling anyone else names? both sides call each other names, but you mentioned only one side, and that you vote accordingly.

Makes me wonder WHY.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

How much is the going rate to engage a racist slut? Anybody?

Paul

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

Bosch

End of last thread – right after you signed off – another Word of the Day for you.

It’s a twofer day!

Lord Help Us

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

‘advance to shift manager and eventually store manager, but it takes work ethic.’

Any idea what a shift manager at BK makes? Maybe $15 an hour, $600 a week, or a cool $30k per year. Raise a family of four on that! And, by the way, don’t forget about $1,200 a month for health insurance.

Guess what, genius, this guy that showed up, worked hard, advanced at work, etc. is POOR!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:42 pm

S. Ray — “How much is the going rate to engage a racist slut? Anybody?”

Perhaps Eliot Spitzer or Senator David Vitter could fill you in. :D

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

No logical dude,

I said I wasn’t raised to take things from one and give to another. I also said I was tired of being called a racist.

Now if you wish to argue that you should take from people that’s up to you.

I also said that there has not been a republican campaign to call women sluts. Democrats on the other hand have made a real effort to call whites who oppose Obama, racist.

Mama Says

November 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

Raised not to take thing from one and give to the other

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

How much is the going rate to engage a racist slut?

What, are you too lazy to google Ann Coulter’s booking rates? :P

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

What, are you too lazy to google Ann Coulter’s booking rates? :P

http://www.instantrimshot.com

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

I said I wasn’t raised to take things from one and give to another

So you don’t believe in school taxes?

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:48 pm

K’CHAK

Out of context, Mec. I said you claim not to be, BUT you sure do seem to hold onto a lot of that sweeping judgment, broad brushing…as I said, “sins of the fathers.” It’s an awful lot the same stuff of that EVEN…

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

STEVIE

I never cease to be amazed at folks who’ll take a quote off the net and never bother to consider who said it and in what context. It’s what a friend of mine calls the trivialization of culture…

Doggone/GA

November 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

“So you don’t believe in school taxes”

Or charitable giving.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

JOE

Not just a run of the mill hooker, I’m talking slut…say from rural georgia who sports a rebel flag on fron porch…although I reckon you could hire former and she can play the role…

Racists, sluts, ninnies, cretins, dummies, liars….lots of fascinating dialogue this late afternoon eh?

I just viewed a cut on you tube of Faces playing Stay With Me circa say 1970…speaking of sluts..

I know your name is Rita, cuz your perfume’s smelling sweeter….get up, get down get out…get yer own ride home…just don’t be here in the morning when I wake up…..” lyrical excerpts by one of the best slut songs ever……

“red lips, hair and finger nails…I know you’ll be no Jezabel…” gotta love it..

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

Well fine. No one will talk to me so I’m taking MY ball and going home. Losers. ALL of you……..

TRAITOROUS losers at that.

No, Traitorous ASSHAT losers.

Better yet, traitorous asshat BAPTIST losers……..

Naw, the best, traitorous, asshat, Baptist losers of French decent.

There I told you all.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:53 pm

Naw, the best, traitorous, asshat, Baptist losers of French decent.

Delusional lickspittle?

Real Scootter

November 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

Guess what, genius, this guy that showed up, worked hard, advanced at work, etc. is POOR!!!!

Well,it comes down to that choice thing LHU.
That guy shouldn’t have married and had kids,otherwise he would be doing just fine on that much money. :shock:

josef

November 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

STEVIE

“I’m talking slut…say from rural georgia who sports a rebel flag on fron porch…”

You, Kamchak, and Sue Ellen…peas in a pod. Aren’t you just the ever-so-superior? Tacky, tacky, tacky…

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

Damn. I forgot the video. I hate when I do that……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

S. Ray — “JOE Not just a run of the mill hooker, I’m talking slut…say from rural georgia who sports a rebel flag on fron porch…although I reckon you could hire former and she can play the role…”

Given that Senator Vitter reportedly liked being dolled up in diapers and spanked, I expect the hookers who serviced him would be able to handle your request. (giggling) :D

“I just viewed a cut on you tube of Faces playing Stay With Me circa say 1970…speaking of sluts..”

Awesome song. I remember driving somewhere with my dad and him turning the radio *up* to hear the lyrics better. :D

RB from Gwinnett

November 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

Joey, “Aaaaand again with the mindreading failure, RB. I didn’t say anything about ‘taking anybody down,’ your dishonest misrepresentation notwithstanding.”

From your 3:49… “and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two…”

You’re a lying sack, Joey. Read your own words and make some more silly excuses, child.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

K’Chak — “Delusional lickspittle?”

I’ve got dibs. That’s what I’m going to name my boat.

My wife likes “Mewling Prig” but “Delusional Lickspittle” is much better IMO. :D

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

Josef

Sorry to offend…guess I’m taking things to literally…but lumping me into a category with Kamchak…now I’m really offended…low blow..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

RB — “From your 3:49… “and I thought that you needed to be taken down a notch or two…”

Big difference between “taking somebody down” and ‘taking someone down a notch or two.”

“You’re a lying sack, Joey. Read your own words and make some more silly excuses, child.”

Insert quarter and try again, loser. (giggle) :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 12th, 2012
4:59 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

I’ve got dibs. That’s what I’m going to name my boat.

Credit where credit is due.

Fred got red-carded for that one — I think.

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

JOE

Not surprisingly, every band in my era seemed to have a song about a one-night stand (ie Sick Again by Zeppelin..or better yet, Royale Orleans from Presence…) and one about a car….(ie I’m In Love with My Car..Queen and the like…)..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

K’Chak — “Fred got red-carded for that one — I think.”

Was that really what did it, or was it just the straw that broke the moderator’s back?

Fred ™

November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

LOl Kam. I won’t type the DL phrase. Last time I did I was banished.

Logical Dude

November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

Mama says: I said I wasn’t raised to take things from one and give to another. I also said I was tired of being called a racist.

I did not see you post the first part. I only quoted from the post where you were tired of being called names.

I do not agree that a whole drive of Democrats is to call anti-Obama folks racists. Only those who used race as a reason.

For you being brought up never to take from one and give to another, then you probably do not understand how things work in the USA, because the government takes from everyone and give to many others.
*Everyone* pays something, it’s just a matter of how. *Everybody* receives something, and it’s a matter of how, and if you are able to take advantage of it.

so, I still don’t see how you can fall onto one party or another for “not giving/taking” and “calling names”. All sides do it.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

Even Forsyth County has changed over time – and will continue to change as the years, and perceptions, change.

D’OOOOOOOOOOOH! Time to move up to Dawson or White County.

josef

November 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

STEVIE

Well, K’chak’s not such a bad fellow to be lumped with, all things considered. I’m not particularly offended at a personal level, but at a cultural one. It seems we all have to somehow feel superior at a class level to someone else. Coming from the bourgeois wannabes it’s just amusing to me…

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

The Republicans need an orthopedic surgeon.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

FRED

Ok I botched the lyrics but thanks for the link here’s the one I was refering to..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtqF0qBqzZo&feature=related

“I don’t mean to tell ya, but you look like a fella..”