Georgia’s Tom Price a central figure in D.C. drama
With the election finally behind us, President Obama and Congress will now try to set partisanship aside and cut a major deal on taxes, spending and entitlements.
Good luck on that, right?
The good news — which is also the bad news — is that they have enormous incentive to succeed. Without a new law, taxes are set to jump by $400 billion at the start of the year and federal spending will be slashed by $200 billion. If allowed to take full effect, those steps have the potential to set off another deep recession. So the future looks much like the past, with weeks of drama, confrontation, intrigue and brinksmanship looming between Democrats and Republicans, between the House and Senate and between Congress and the White House.
The same can be said of two Georgia Republicans, U.S. Rep. Tom Price of Marietta Roswell and U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss. Over the next three to six months, they’ll be watching each other very closely, and their interactions have the potential to directly affect the course of national politics.
Chambliss is a conservative Republican, but on fiscal issues he has been more willing than many of his GOP colleagues to consider compromise with Democrats. Much as he dislikes higher taxes, he seems to fear soaring debt even more. He has taken a leadership role in the Gang of Eight, a group of four Republican senators and four Democratic senators who have been talking and plotting for at least two years to try to reach agreement on how to slash the deficit.
The day after the election, for example, at a moment when the rest of the nation was still trying to digest what happened, Chambliss joined other gang members on a conference call to plot their course once Congress reconvenes on Tuesday. There’s a lot of skepticism about whether they can succeed, but they represent one of the few forums in which Republicans and Democrats are actually trying to reach consensus.
The broad outlines of a deal are no secret. As a matter of politics and simple math, the only way to significantly reduce the deficit is to increase tax revenues and decrease spending. You do both, or you do nothing. It’s as simple as that. Democrats who are protective of entitlement programs and the safety net have to be willing to make cuts in those programs in return for higher tax revenue, particularly from more affluent Americans. Republicans who have refused to consider higher taxes have to be willing to soften that stance in return for entitlement reform.
Which is where Price comes in.
The former physician from Marietta is one of the most conservative members of Congress and continues to reject the notion of compromise with Democrats. Last week, for example, House Speaker John Boehner made the logical point that with the president’s re-election, ObamaCare is now certain to survive. But in an interview on Fox News Sunday, Price refused to make that concession, insisting that Republicans will continue to fight it at every turn.
Cathy McMorris Rodgers addresses the 2012 Republican National Convention. (AP)
Price has also decided to seek the chairmanship of the House Republican Conference, the No. 4 position in the House hierarchy. There too, he is bumping heads with Boehner, who has thrown his support behind the conference vice chair, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington.
If elected conference chair, McMorris Rodgers would become the only woman in a major leadership role in the House GOP. (For example, none of the 21 House committees is chaired by a woman.) That’s a major image problem for a party having serious trouble attracting female voters. McMorris Rodgers is also more moderate than Price, who is trying to rally fellow House conservatives to his cause.
The race between Price and McMorris Rodgers — to be decided in a secret ballot among House Republicans — will be watched as a test of Boehner’s strength and influence within his caucus. Price is considered the underdog, but should he win, it would bode poorly for Boehner’s ability to deliver his caucus on important budget votes in the next few months.
However, if Price loses, that too could have a serious impact on the national debate over revenue and spending. If his ambitions are frustrated in the House, Price becomes much more likely to take on Chambliss in the 2014 Republican Senate primary. His strategy would be to hang the dreaded RINO nametag around the neck of Georgia’s senior senator, depicting Chambliss as a sellout to the GOP cause.
So every time Chambliss is quoted in the media over the next few months as seeking a “balanced” approach to our debt problem, Price will take note. Every time Chambliss appears in public alongside Senate Democrats preaching compromise, a potential campaign commercial will be born.
And both men, I suspect, will be keeping very close tabs on things here at home, through polling and phone calls, trying to determine just how much leeway Georgia Republicans are prepared to give Chambliss in the budget debate.
Should a backlash develop among the GOP base here at home, the senator may be forced to decide whether addressing a major national challenge is worth significant risk to his political future.
It is.
– Jay Bookman
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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
12:25 pm
MARY/ALEX
I just can’t see how anyone puts much creedence in what Krugman has to say anymore…he writes for the NYT’s which speaks volumes and his sole purpose, with or without merit is to bash GOP and others who disagree with his one-size-fits all economic garble..
stands for decibels
November 12th, 2012
12:30 pm
Barry did in fact tell Cantor et al basically to shove it after 2008 election win and before inauguration…denial doesn’t make the truth…
I’m not sure why I’m bothering now that you’re back to full-tilt concern troll mode, but SR, “Barry” (and seriously… really? you’ve taken to using THAT pet name? but I digress), by actual contemporary accounts, this was hardly telling them to “shove it”–
President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning – but he also left no doubt about who’s in charge of these negotiations. “I won,” Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.
ZOMG. HOW. DARE. HE???
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
12:30 pm
I just can’t see how anyone puts much creedence in what Krugman has to say anymore…he writes for the NYT’s…
There’s your sign.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 12th, 2012
12:30 pm
I like Congressman Price.
As an orthopedic surgeon, he fixed my rotator cuff about 20 years ago and it’s still working just fine ………………
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
For Paul (or Paula):
“Retired Gen. David Petraeus, who resigned as CIA director last week after admitting an extramarital relationship, could possibly face military prosecution for adultery if officials turn up any evidence to counter his apparent claims that the affair began after he left the military.”
Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 12th, 2012
12:33 pm
0311,
Maybe for our benefit he should have stayed in the medical field instead of the political one.
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
“GOP Could Soon ‘Cease To Exist,’ Texas Lawmaker Says” HP
Disband the whig party again.
Shannon
November 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
It is also simple math, Mr. Bookman, that you do not enact contractionary fiscal policy during a period of slow economic growth. We are barely out of the recession. The time to cut deficits and raise taxes is during times of inflation, not recessionary growth.
curious
November 12th, 2012
12:35 pm
Romney is moving to Georgia so he can be Governor and replace the money he spent on the Presidential campaign.
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:35 pm
stevie,
Krugman is credible but your rw media lied to your face.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 12th, 2012
12:36 pm
Curious,
That is funny and sad at the same time.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2012/08/PaulKrugman_Tired.jpg
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
“Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !”
Ew.
Get a room for that.
JamVet
November 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
Scout, too bad for us Georgians that he didn’t remain a doctor!
Spending cuts are always going to big time adversely impact the poor, the middle class, the elderly, the sick and children.
Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.
Hold your ground, Mr. President. Do not cave to the 1% and their horrifically misguided cheerleaders.
Trickle-down is as dead as Mr. Reagan and you risk throwing away the opportunity that was won last Tuesday if you screw the middle class yet again…
curious
November 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !
The Gingrich rule was in effect.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
0311 — “Ah, but if you’re the C.I.C. you get a pass !”
The CIC wasn’t in the military and hasn’t had an affair. So how’s he getting a pass, exactly?
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
We know why scout had a rotator injury.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
Stevie, an admitted Faux news watcher, claims someone is not credible because they write for the NYT? Oy vey.
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:40 pm
“Stevie, an admitted Faux news watcher, claims someone is not credible because they write for the NYT? Oy vey.”
They should correct their lying media but failed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
12:41 pm
We know why scout had a rotator injury.
Digging rabbit holes?
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Digging rabbit holes?”
That and too much deflecterbation.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
STANDS
Not only did he dis the supreme court, but he did in fact not consider proposal by GOP 3 days after inauguration (i was incorrect about timing in prior post), leaving Cantors single page proposals including immediate reductions in bottom two tax rates, elimination of tax on unemployment benefits, homebuyers credit, tax deductions of 20% on income of small business, and not tax increases to pay for stimulus…BO response…”I can go it alone, the polls are looking pretty good for me right now..”
The bill was introduced January 26th and drafted by DEMS..whenever a REP tried to make changes, Emmanuel would respond with “we have the votes…f&ck ‘em…that’s the bulldozing BO promised to avoid just a few short months prior..
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
stevie,
Still lying?
Come on con.
Facts matter and you should have learned this fact after two thumpins.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
GETALIFE et al
Neither the DEMS Keynesian government trickle down) or GOP’s trickle down stale economic theories work in their fundamental form…a blend is needed to accomplish anything..Krugman is a complete tool for DEMS…not unlike several who are tools for the GOP…
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:48 pm
“not unlike several who are tools for the GOP…”
Your media lied to your face. Dissed you.
Set it straight.
Man up.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
12:50 pm
S. Ray — “Neither the DEMS Keynesian government trickle down) or GOP’s trickle down stale economic theories work in their fundamental form…a blend is needed to accomplish anything..”
I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008.
alex
November 12th, 2012
12:51 pm
“horrifically misguided chheerleaders”-next stop “the Jon Stewart Show”-oy vey!! Priceless!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 12th, 2012
12:51 pm
That and too much deflecterbation.
Well, some people got no shame. Some things should be left in the
bathroombedroom.Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
12:52 pm
I don’t remember hearing that sentiment out of the White House from 2000-2008.
IOKIYAR
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:53 pm
I agree RC.
This is a public blog and they should do that in private.
Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"
November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm
on the bluffing on sequestration, the only real bluffing in my view that was done was on the part of the GOP on defense cuts, which they prob never really intended to follow through on.
I’d concur. That’s also one of the reasons why I wouldn’t do anything to stop the cuts if I were in DC. The GOP has been campaigning on this whole austerity thing. I’d give the country a big taste of what austerity will do, and I’d make sure to give the GOP all the credit they deserve for foistering this on the country.
the cat
November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm
Is this the same Tom Price that promised to leave the light on at his roach motel?
getalife
November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm
Elections and facts matter cons.
Leave la la land and set your party and media straight.
YouLibs
November 12th, 2012
12:54 pm
Stevie on Krugman:
“…his sole purpose, with or without merit is to bash GOP and others who disagree with his one-size-fits all economic garble…”
Nothing one-size-fits-all or garbled about tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, huh?
JamVet
November 12th, 2012
12:57 pm
alex, you are a trickle-down devotee, I presume?
Krugman is brilliant. He is the 20th most widely cited economist in the world today.
And was scathing in his analysis of immature would-be intellectuals and faux economists like Paul Ryan.
Just another all around great Hebe American!
Brosephus™ - "Don't get Charlie Browned"
November 12th, 2012
12:57 pm
Neither the DEMS Keynesian government trickle down) or GOP’s trickle down stale economic theories work in their fundamental form…a blend is needed to accomplish anything..
And what in the hell was the Stimulus plan if it were not a blend of the two? As long as one party is content on sandbagging, nothing will work. It takes active participation from both sides, and that is NOT what we’ve seen over the past 4 years.
stands for decibels
November 12th, 2012
12:58 pm
Not only did he dis the supreme court
I really wish I had time to play with you full time. but, for the record:
With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests –- including foreign corporations –- to spend without limit in our elections. (Applause.) I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. (Applause.) They should be decided by the American people. And I’d urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to correct some of these problems.
You just go on making stuff up, and when time permits, I’ll refudiate it.
Regnad Kcin
November 12th, 2012
12:59 pm
“he writes for the NYT’s which speaks volumes ”
Stevie Ray – is that why you don’t believe Nate Silver?
alex
November 12th, 2012
1:00 pm
@Stevie, Obviously with a nobel in his pocket, Krugman has some economic credentials. It appears to me that he has used these as a front to project hos political principals. Obviously he has the right to do so, but having economic smarts does not appear to have led him to political objectivity and for that I say “more Schumpeter” (think “more cowbell”). He had quite a way with the Viennnese fraulein, ……
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:01 pm
Typical brilliant responses by GETALIFE, KEEPS and KAMCHAK
GETALIFE: SR…YOU LIE CON…(code for I got no evidence but if i call him a liar, it will drown out any need for me to provide substance…
KEEPS: SR, YOU ARE JUST STUPID AND POSING AS A INDEPENDENT WHEN YOU ARE REALLY A CON LIAR…(code for I got no evidence to counter but if I do the old shoutdown, he will succomb and back off his position…)
KAMCHAK: SR, YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT AND MAKE UP THESE “FACTS” AS YOU GO…YOUR SO INGNORANT, YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT-UP YOU STUPID…STUPID..DUMMY (code for if I deflect by personal attacks on SR, he will cower in my very presence…he should just go away..nobody should ever disagree with my IDOL BO and if they do, I’m gonna have my daddy beat up his daddy..)
Three peas in a pod..I salute all of you for such meaningful intellectual debating skills…
JamVet
November 12th, 2012
1:03 pm
Like many other bright men of conscience he has been the bane (get it?) or the banksters…
“It’s hard for me to believe there were no crimes. Given the scale of [the financial crisis], given how many corners were being cut, some people must have violated laws. I think people should be in jail.”
Federal prosecution of financial fraud fell to a 20-year low in 2011, according to a report released in November.
The Occupy Wall Street movement, which Krugman said in the interview has “done a great service,” has highlighted these concerns and as public anger grows government agencies have taken some action.
Occupy that, you pro-crime Republicans…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
1:04 pm
KAMCHAK: SR, YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT AND MAKE UP THESE “FACTS” AS YOU GO…YOUR[sic] SO INGNORANT, YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT-UP YOU STUPID…STUPID..DUMMY
If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, no sense in being half-assed about it.
lefty_316
November 12th, 2012
1:04 pm
I’ve never heard of this Tom Price before. He sounds like a real piece of garbage.
SouthernGal
November 12th, 2012
1:05 pm
Why are some groups exempt from Obamacare?
alex
November 12th, 2012
1:06 pm
Jamvet , see my earlier post, I’m more a devotee to the Austrian school, but your religious bigotry is really quite revolting, pass the cream cheese, please.
He is” the 20th most cited economist, “, google that ,did we……? You take yourself MUCH to seriously, here’s more rope…..
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:07 pm
BRO
Brilliant…thanks again for validating my point which was that neither historical theorum can in and of itself, work given the variables we face…or have faced in the past decade or so…
ALEX…BO got a Nobel in his pocket too…clearly that doesn’t mean as much as it used to…Krugman is no different than any other run of the mill economist who’s political leanings define their economics..only difference is that he writes for the most biased (except for perhaps much of FOX NEW/MSNBC) medium likely on this planet…
Sagegirl
November 12th, 2012
1:07 pm
Over the weekend I saw that GA, TX, and AR are being heralded as the newest swing states to watch in 2016. That will be interesting to see.
Rabbit
November 12th, 2012
1:08 pm
Price is a BAD representative on legislative matters. He is good on constituent issues and that’s why he’s almost invulnerable in his district. On the other hand, his smarmy north Atlanta persona will never play in rural middle and south georgia where Chambliss seems solid.
Further, while Georgia seems pretty red right now, it pays to recall that not long ago, there was a Democratic majority. This suggests that GA has a strong independent voter group and the recent election may have persuaded them to move away from the wingnut politics of Price.
I think Chambliss is safe to work on a solution and let Price play obstructionist. Chambliss’ bigger worry might come from a charismatic Democrat.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
1:09 pm
..only difference is that he writes for the most biased (except for perhaps much of FOX NEW/MSNBC) medium likely on this planet…
There’s the same sign.
MiltonMan
November 12th, 2012
1:09 pm
“Tom Price. Ugh. The karma gods must hate me to have made him my “representative”.”
Nothing is keeping you from moving. Move to the 4th district. The moon-bat Johnson would love for you to help him prevent Guam from tipping over.
MiltonMan
November 12th, 2012
1:11 pm
“Chambliss’ bigger worry might come from a charismatic Democrat.”
…and who exactly would that be??? Barnes??? Martin??? Vernon Jones??? The only viable option is Mayor Reed & his love affair for the TSPLOST will come back and sink him.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
1:11 pm
…it pays to recall that not long ago, there was a Democratic majority.
It pays to recall that not long ago “Democrat” was not synonymous with “liberal.”
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
1:12 pm
SouthernGal — “Why are some groups exempt from Obamacare?”
What groups are you thinking of?
FWIW, any state can exempt itself if it puts together an insurance exchange that meets Federal standards. I expect several states will do just that.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:15 pm
SOUTHERN GAL
Mostly unions (about 700K), muslims, Amish and other religions that have pre-clusions from accepting insurance like benefits…unfortunately…
Either political in favor of DEM supporters or acknowledging religious tenets that preclude participation…of course, those in the latter group who will opt in are most likely to have major pre-existing conditions…we call it adverse selection…
RB from Gwinnett
November 12th, 2012
1:15 pm
Jammie, “I have waited for a long time for this one, RB.
I am not your Google, look it up yourself!!”
If you’ve waited so long, Jammie, you surely have the answer at hand, so back up your claim. Back it up or stop lying to people.
emo
November 12th, 2012
1:16 pm
Georgia’s GOP congressional delegation seem to take turns trying to embarrass the whole state (and succeeding). The saddest part to me of leaving Sandy Springs for Alpharetta was going from John Lewis as my represantative to Tom Price. I generally think of him changing the last letter of his name to a ‘k’….
Bill Campbell
November 12th, 2012
1:17 pm
If all the Democrats left the country ( maybe Spain or Cuba) the country would flourish but if the Republicans were to leave…the Democrats would riot in the strreets and kill each other in short time because there would be no one to provide for them!
Rabbit
November 12th, 2012
1:18 pm
‘charismatic Democrat’. More like someone not currently on the radar in the Jim Marahall mold with broader appeal and who could garner strong financial support from agriculture and professionals.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:19 pm
SR
When did Muslims get an exemption from Obamacare?
Matti
November 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
Milton Man,
FYI: District 6 was redrawn to overtake parts of District 4, and nobody bothered to ask the people in District 4 if they were okay with it.
By the way, how’s that giant wall around Milton coming along?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
REGNAD
I am in the field of actuarial science…any finding requires a file full of consistent success and endure any efforts to prove it wrong..
I think Silver is a rock star…his reputation is clearly improved by outcomes from 2012…I want him to be successful my point is that as a scientific postulation, his method will need more years of success to be considered a lock…He is an amazing mathemitician and master of regression analytics…
Can you imagine if he played poker?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
RB — “so back up your claim. Back it up or stop lying to people.”
You’re one to talk.
Rabbit
November 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
…and, Milton, no one outside the bubble can call Jim Marshall a liberal.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
B. Campbell — “If all the Democrats left the country ( maybe Spain or Cuba) the country would flourish but if the Republicans were to leave…the Democrats would riot in the strreets and kill each other in short time because there would be no one to provide for them!”
You go right ahead and keep telling yourself that if if helps you to sleep at night.
When I was a little shaver, I liked fairy tales at bedtime, too.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
BOTHSUCK
They applied for and obtained, on religious grounds, an exemption from HHS not too long after bill was passed…..haven’t seen anything to suggest this is no longer the case..about 1200 exemptions were filed…only a miniscule number were rejected but that too may have changed with time..
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
SR
Union as well?
Thanks for providing this info.
I would just blast your post out of the water, however I will wait until you respond…….
hint: what you are saying isn’t true
alex
November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
Stevei, I am not in basic disagreement , but for full disclosure the “peace” prize is given by a different organization than the economics Nobel , Krugman’s was not for any Original thought, ….., more hayek….
RB from Gwinnett
November 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
JamVet, “Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.”
Math question for you…. If you pay $0 in taxes, and it’s cut by 20%, how much are you paying now?
Explain how a tax cut of any sort would ever not help those who pay more taxes more than those who don’t pay any.
Why don’t you just sanction wealth confiscation and re-distribution and get it over with, Jammie? It’s clear to anybody who reads your posts thats what you really want. A “commune….” society, eh Jammie?
Matti
November 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
They BOTH @ 1:19,
Stevie Ray apparently gets his news from chain-letter emails in multi-colored font, demanding his immediate outrage and forwarding to everyone in his address book. Like spam, only more offensive and with less truth than the ones promising to lengthen his you-know-what.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:25 pm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/23/crossroads-gps/unions-dont-have-comply-obamacare-says-crossroads-/
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp
moonbat betty
November 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
Lots of people calling each other liars.
Truth is, no one knows the truth anymore because the media pushes their own politics 24/7 instead of reporting facts.
You have all been duped and Jay is just as guilty as Rush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
RB — “Why don’t you just sanction wealth confiscation and re-distribution and get it over with, Jammie? It’s clear to anybody who reads your posts thats what you really want. A “commune….” society, eh Jammie?”
And again with JM’s Magical Mindreading Act. He doesn’t need to actually talk to you to find out what you think; he just repeats what the voices in his head *tell him* you think.
Is it at all possible for you to ask people what they think or mean without you shoving words in their mouths first, RB?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
BOTH
Unions were not exempt from the entire bill….them as well as many corporations were provided an exemption, in the form of a gradual increase over time, to meet the unlimited benefits mandate..no they were not 100% exempt from the act..
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
SR
My apologies, I could not wait.
I would suggest you look up those “exemptions” and see exactly what the truth is regarding them.
RB from Gwinnett
November 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
Go away, Joe. You’ve become a pest with your silly divert and dodge game. Maybe Nickelodeon has a blog that would better suit you?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
Oooooh, “Pants On Fire”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 12th, 2012
1:29 pm
Kam, yep….Stevie just having a temper tantrum and making things up when he does not like a response. But hey, if you just make a wild claim, anyone who disagrees should have to prove you wrong. You know it goes back to that Glen Beck type argument that was successfully mocked: “why wont Glen Beck deny that he did not kill that girl.”
I guess Stevie came for an argument starting with a false and nonfactual proposition and just hates the mocking but rather than start with with a non-distorted factual proposition, he whines.
Stevie will next call us “poopie heads” like Grover called the president.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
SR
Are you talking exemptions or waivers? They are companies that have been granted waivers, which give them more time to comply.
And it you can believe it, they are not all huge Obama supporters or companies that have unions.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
There are…….
excuse me
Rabbit
November 12th, 2012
1:31 pm
“If elected conference chair, McMorris Rodgers would become the only woman in a major leadership role in the House GOP. ”
Let’s hope the Speaker succeeds in getting Rodgers elected. If it doesn’t happen, we will know the house is hell bent on wrecking the system of government we have that requires cooperation and some level of compromise.
We need a two party system, and another round of brinksmanship whether caused by the Republican House or not will fall at their feet.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:31 pm
SR
Are Muslims a monolithic group? Explain exactly how “they” applied.
Was it all Muslims in the US? Certain sects? Every sect?
flagboy?
November 12th, 2012
1:31 pm
stands for decibels
November 12th, 2012
11:43 am
decisions during each administration continually helped the .01 percent or something like that.
I can’t recall the title of the book. .
Was it this one?
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Not quite.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 12th, 2012
1:33 pm
RB — “Go away, Joe.”
No. I refuse. If you don’t like what I have to say, then leave yourself.
“You’ve become a pest with your silly divert and dodge game.”
I’m not playing your JM Speaks For Others game, and I’m not letting you get away with it. You don’t speak for me or anyone else on here, and you don’t have the right to tell others what they think.
If you were a man, you’d ASK others what they think instead of trying to speak for them and put words in their mouths. But clearly, misrepresenting others is the only way you can make yourself feel good.
You’re PATHETIC, RB. You’re dishonest, and unrepentantly so.
“Maybe Nickelodeon has a blog that would better suit you?”
I think it would suit you fine, since you’ve clearly demonstrated that you can’t behave like an adult.
Rabbit
November 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
bTW, is ther anyone left on this blog who wants to discuss the topics of the article, or did the election send the usual suspects into a mania episode?
flagboy?
November 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
Occupation – I think that was the book. It was an interesting interview.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
SR
Your sources seem to be more biased than the NY Times that slays get a rise out of you.
I’m sure there are “exemptions”, however they are not as generalized as you portrayed in your earlier post.
Got to run
peace
Nero
November 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
Go over the cliff. Let all the tax cuts expire and let the sequestration happen. Everybody burns. Everybody feels the pain. Cut it all. Cut defense. Cut entitlements. Cut it all.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
bTW, is ther anyone left on this blog who wants to discuss the topics of the article…
From the top right hand corner of this page: About Jay Bookman
An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things
Perhaps your own blog at blogspot.com would be more to your liking?
Regnad Kcin
November 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
“JamVet, “Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.”
Math question for you…. If you pay $0 in taxes, and it’s cut by 20%, how much are you paying now?
Explain how a tax cut of any sort would ever not help those who pay more taxes more than those who don’t pay any.”
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RB – you don’t have to fight with someone who’s agreeing with you.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:47 pm
BOTH et al
Here are some other interesting facts about who is exempt from the tax mandates….thus qualified families up to 400% of poverty level may be exempt from the mandate to purchase coverage…this is one of the reasons we may still have close to as many uninsureds as we do now…just different groups..
Complicated in it’s alledged simplicity..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/07/09/obamacares-dark-secret-the-individual-mandate-is-too-weak/
Morality?
November 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
Rumor is that Patraeus’ girlfriend Miss Broadhill may also be linked to Bill Clinton and Congress may investigate any possible breach in security there. Bill Clinton has no comment.
JamVet
November 12th, 2012
1:50 pm
alex, your fact-free nonsense is noted. It is part of the reason that the GOP and right wing extremism took it on the chin last week. making up silly cr@p out of thin air is no way to win elections.
Speaking of which, here is a question for you, RB.
“Tax breaks are always going to big time help out the super-rich.”
If you pay $0 in taxes, and it’s cut by 20%, how much are you paying now?
What in the hell does that second question have to do with the first? You and I both know – absolutely nothing.
You really do have ZERO debate skills. You are not capable of intelligently countermanding that first statement of mine, so you don’t even try. You just concoct some unrelated, sophist bogeyman/red herring.
FAIL!
Ryan was supposedly one of the GOP’s big thinkers??
More like a middling stinker!
Randian claptrap is also a guaranteed way to lose elections going forward…
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
1:51 pm
SR
One more and have to get on a call. While stating it was a step in the right direction, I have not been on this blog touting the ACA has the end all of end alls because it is not.
I was merely pointing out that your post earlier in regards to exemptions was way off……. and it is.
Will check out your article.
JamVet
November 12th, 2012
1:53 pm
Nick Danger, I love that!
LOL at me for not catching it originally!
Paul
November 12th, 2012
1:53 pm
Thought I’d get this out there.
Heard again on Fox from Boehner and others that raising the top marginal rate would hit 97% of small business owners. I thought “Wow, those small business owners are all doing okay!!!” and wondered where that number came from.
Found out (surprise, surprise) that none of the talking heads ever included a cite.
None of the commentators ever asked for a cite.
Doing a little research, one said that if all rates were raised, it’d hit 97% of all owners. That sounded more reasonable. But it just wasn’t what was largely claimed.
Then I figured it out. No surprise, here. Republicans are math challenged (no surprise there, either). See, the Joint Committee on taxation said if the top rate went up that it’d affect about 3.5 percent of small business owners. So Republicans rounded down, not up, and got 3 percent. They subtracted that from 100 and got 97 percent. So they began using the 97 percent who would not see an increase as the 97 percent who would see an increase.
Mystery solved.
“The staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that in 2013 approximately 940,000 taxpayers with net positive business income (3.5 percent of all taxpayers with net positive business income) will have marginal rates of 36 or 39.6 percent under the president’s proposal, and that 53 percent of the approximately $1.3 trillion of aggregate net positive business income will be reported on returns that have a marginal rate of 36 or 39.6 percent. [Joint Committee On Taxation, 6/18/12]”
(Just put the words between the quotes into Google to go right to the Joint Committee’s pdf report)
Morality?
November 12th, 2012
1:54 pm
Cooperate? Compromise? That means both sides – right? USA loyalty should go beyond party loyalty but so far it hasn’t. Jay – my offer is still on the table – my house against yours – if the Fed debt is ONE CENT or more lower on the day he leaves office than it is today you get my house – if not I get yours. Ready to sign the papers?
Lord Help Us
November 12th, 2012
1:54 pm
‘Rumor is that Patraeus’ girlfriend Miss Broadhill may also be linked to Bill Clinton’
Rumor is Ms Broadhill will be making an appearance in my shower this evening…
Regnad Kcin
November 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
“Rumor is that Patraeus’ girlfriend Miss Broadhill may also be linked to Bill Clinton and Congress may investigate ”
Rumor has it that the republican party will disband, instructing all formerly republican legislators to vote based upon coin flips.
Please note that *I* have provided as many links to *my* rumor, as Morality has to his…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
BOTH
The muslims who do not participate in any current insurance schemes are excempt from penalties for non coverage as a result for Sharia tenet to look askance at insurance and similar risk sharing devices…
I agree my sweeping general comments were exaggerated…as I am learning the majority of those exempt from penalty is mostly based on cost of coverage in relationship to earnings…
I will get you next time you evil super hero dude…:-)