Economic insecurity a challenge to GOP

As might be expected, there’s a lot rethinking under way among conservatives in the wake of Tuesday night. Before the election, for example, I ran a sampling of headlines from National Review’s website, each of them supremely confident in a Romney victory, nay landslide.

As of last night, the terrain has changed:


Our Terrifying Message
People are afraid of the GOP

Why Hispanics Don’t Vote GOP
The “social issues” Hispanic voter is a mirage

Sifting Through the Wreckage
A grim four years lie ahead

The Machine
The numbers beat the numbers guy

Bitterfest 2012
Jay Nordlinger presents his apparently quadrennial notes

How Romney Lost
The bad news: Class warfare works

Under the first headline, about the terrifying GOP, we find this:

“… each of Obama’s core constituencies (single women, African-Americans, and Latinos) is seriously — and disproportionately — economically disadvantaged compared to the classic paradigm of the white, college-educated Republican voter. The rates of poverty and near-poverty among these groups are much greater, thus causing a critical mass of both populations to suffer — even if they’re technically middle class — from a greater degree of economic insecurity. Even as Mitt won the votes of those who make over $50,000 by nine points, Obama won those who make less by a whopping 22 points — enough to give him the victory.

Second, while classic identity-group issues like abortion, affirmative action, and immigration undoubtedly matter, conservatives are deluding themselves if they think they can simply take those issues off the table and then compete on equal terms for this slice of voters. In fact, economically insecure voters can even agree with conservatives on social issues yet will still consistently pull the lever for statist candidates. Ideologically and historically they are pre-disposed towards statism as the means of alleviating economic insecurity and distress. In other words, for the single mom, “Julia” is an appealing paradigm — because at least someone is taking care of her family. (If I hear one more time that Latinos are social conservatives ready to support Republicans if only we could pass comprehensive immigration reform, I might throw something).”

As an initial diagnosis of the problem, I think that’s somewhat accurate. Economic insecurity is a serious and growing issue for millions of Americans, driven in part by a changing global economy and by a system that concentrates more and more wealth at the top. French is wrong to limit that to minority voters, however. The successful government bailout of the auto industry, alleviating economic security for a million or more workers, helped the Obama ticket immensely among white voters in states such as Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. A lot of GOP voters also feel that insecurity, but for the moment the party has managed to convince them that the cause of that insecurity is government.

Within this new economic order — which is quite altered from the system that many of us knew growing up — individuals still can and do earn great success. But the system itself has changed in ways that permit fewer and fewer people to make that journey. That’s just a fact, and the causes driving that change are economic and technological in nature, not political.

(The cause is also not moral in nature. Those on the left who attribute these changes to amorality among the rich are just as wrong as those on the right who attribute it to amorality among the poor. Both rich and poor are merely responding rationally to the system in which they operate.)

And the recommended solution by David French?

“We simply can’t retreat into our large but still-minority cocoon of new media and talk only to each other, working hard to get ever-larger numbers of our shrinking constituencies to the polls. Our cultural efforts have to be every bit as wide-ranging and persistent as those of the Left. Majority ideologies are built over generations, not overnight, and it means breaking the public-school monopoly, influencing public schools even while we work to diminish their influence, sending our best and brightest young writers and actors into the lion’s den of Hollywood, working to reform higher education and breaking the ideological hammerlock of the hard Left on faculties, and working hard — very hard — to tell the true story of conservative compassion for the “least of these,” a story featuring the efficiency and creativity of private philanthropy combined with Christ-centered love and concern for the individual.”

The admission about public schools is interesting, confirming my belief that Georgia’s Amendment One is a Trojan horse, and that those Democrats who supported its passage will one day come to rue that decision. Overall, however, let’s just say the scope of the solution falls romantically short of the scale of the problem.

– Jay Bookman

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Obama

November 9th, 2012
7:26 am

First term accomplishments CV:
1. Got Osama (with the help of our service men and women. Thanks!)
2. Reduced insecurity by making significant changes to healthcare
3. Extended the Bush tax cuts
4. Added a payroll tax cut

We’ll do some more good stuff in my second term.

The Republicants should spend their time in the wilderness in deep thought. Quiet places are good for that. Like wood sheds.

TaxPayer

November 9th, 2012
7:29 am

I detect a lack of desire by Republicans to compromise. So be it. I hope President Obama and the Democrats alter their strategy going forward with that in mind. No more being bogged down by the likes of Mr. “I Object” and Company.

Brosephus™

November 9th, 2012
7:32 am

When you think you have to resort to solutions, such as the author described, that is the time to stop and reevaluate the product that you’re trying to sell. If the product is useless to someone, wrapping it in silk and rose petals doesn’t alter it’s uselessness.

theintelligentdesigner

November 9th, 2012
7:33 am

Ya gotta give respect to the Christ centered compassion for dudes who make over $$275,000. Ya can find it in the Book of Deductivicous.

Obama

November 9th, 2012
7:34 am

Mr. Taxpayer.

Mr. Boehner is a good person. We can find common ground. Maybe.

Thank you for paying your taxes.

barking frog

November 9th, 2012
7:39 am

I don’t think we are going to restart an industrial revolution in the US thus we must provide
for the folks who are not intellectually prepared for the type jobs we have available. This
will undoubtedly have to be done by taxing the high profit people at a higher rate than we
have at present. until retraining can be done.

Brother Dave

November 9th, 2012
7:39 am

…Georgia’s Amendment One is a Trojan horse. I have to agree with you Jay on that one issue. You know, that caused me throw up in my mouth a little.

I mean good Lord, we just handed more local control to the State government. Today’s citizen just doesn’t understand what that really means or do they, and are too lazy. I’m not kicking State government; it’s just a whole lot easier to control your local government over your State or Federal. Who’s to say if the other side of the aisle would do with Amendment One if they got use of it.

But just remember, a Democrat is somebody who expects somethin’ fer nothin’, and a Republican is somebody who expects nothin’ fer somethin’, an’ a Independent is a cat that greases his own car.

Gratitude is riches, and complaint is poverty, and the worst I ever had was wonderful!

Aquagirl

November 9th, 2012
7:40 am

Poor Mr. GOP. His black/hispanic/food stamp/slut/parasite wife just doesn’t understand him.

TaxPayer

November 9th, 2012
7:40 am

Thank you for paying your taxes.

You’re welcome. And contrary to popular Republican opinion, taxes do pay the government bills, not tax cuts.

Obama

November 9th, 2012
7:45 am

Mr. Taxpayer, true, tax cuts don’t pay for themselves. But we all like them! Including me.

See bullets 3 and 4 above.

Thomas

November 9th, 2012
7:47 am

Up is up. Down is down. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer over the next few years.

The only issue we have in this country is a (self) education gap. The rest is wasted time looking at results and trying to explain the outcome.

barking frog

November 9th, 2012
7:47 am

The American people vote their pocketbooks and Joe Average thought Obama
would do more for him than Romney would and he is probably right.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

November 9th, 2012
7:47 am

it means breaking the public-school monopoly, influencing public schools even while we work to diminish their influence, sending our best and brightest young writers and actors into the lion’s den of Hollywood, working to reform higher education and breaking the ideological hammerlock of the hard Left on faculties

So really, he thinks the Republican message has failed because of inadequate indoctrination starting from childhood. Think about that.

H. E. Pennypacker

November 9th, 2012
7:48 am

I know it’s early on in what will likely be a multi-year proces, but yet another article focusing upon re-packaging and repositioning the current message and little to no discussion on the message itself.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 9th, 2012
7:49 am

The Republicans will lose big in 2014 if they do not change their platform. They cannot go forward with the same old, tired message and expect to grow their party. They will also need to expand their vocabulary to include words like ‘compromise’ otherwise they will continue to decline.

H. E. Pennypacker

November 9th, 2012
7:49 am

I should be clear, I was referencing the NRO’s article(s), and not Jay’s.

Adam

November 9th, 2012
7:50 am

Lord Help Us

November 9th, 2012
7:50 am

I heard some of the ‘we have been chastened’ crap after the GWB debacle and after the 2006 elections…didn’t last.

I will believe it when I see it…

JP

November 9th, 2012
7:50 am

Jay,
Why do you only write columns about the GOP and what’s wrong with them…instead of writing about what’s right with Dem party? Just like O’s campaign, run on the opponents weaknesses and not your own strengths…of course, he couldn’t run on his own record!

Obama

November 9th, 2012
7:51 am

Mr. French is correct in that American philanthropy is a wonderful, helpful thing.

The shortcoming is that philanthropy doesn’t always reach the poorest, especially inner city folks.

Our more prosperous churches don’t sit in downtown Detroit.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 9th, 2012
7:51 am

I think that the GOP is singing this song to themselves…just to cope…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghj5V5cUo1s&feature=related

H. E. Pennypacker

November 9th, 2012
7:51 am

I did read that Sean Hannity did a 180 last night on immigration reform and a path to citizenship, which will provide political cover for more GOP candidates to do the same.

It says a lot about the GOP when politicians are loth to get in front of talk radio and Fox News.

barking frog

November 9th, 2012
7:54 am

Local school boards are not being legislated away. Public schools
are not going away. Segregation by money or religion is not against
the law and is practiced on a daily basis in the U.S.

Brosephus™

November 9th, 2012
7:55 am

ByteMe

It’s sad that anybody would view schools as a place for indoctrination. Whatever happened to simply teaching and learning? That’s why I don’t see any improvement in our education system coming in the near future. We, as a country, are too chickensh*t to tell politicians to get the f**k out of the system.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
7:57 am

“Majority ideologies are built over generations, not overnight, and it means breaking the public-school monopoly, influencing public schools even while we work to diminish their influence, sending our best and brightest young writers and actors into the lion’s den of Hollywood, working to reform higher education and breaking the ideological hammerlock of the hard Left on faculties, and working hard — very hard — to tell the true story of conservative compassion for the “least of these,” a story featuring the efficiency and creativity of private philanthropy combined with Christ-centered love and concern for the individual.”

and yet they have the utter GALL to accuse the Dems of propaganda.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
7:59 am

Side note … most entertaining (in a sad, pathetic sort of way) read of the election reaction …

For your consideration, I give you Eric Dondero

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html

Georgia on my mind...

November 9th, 2012
8:00 am

The admission about public schools is interesting, confirming my belief that Georgia’s Amendment One is a Trojan horse, and that those Democrats who supported its passage will one day come to rue that decision.

______

Another excellent article Jay. You have hit the challenges from all angles!

Citizen of the World

November 9th, 2012
8:00 am

So, David French want to treat the symptoms without getting to the cause? The very real economic insecurity that results from the vagaries of the free market requires a social safety net because while some people are riding sky high, others are barely getting by of low wages even though they work long and hard at their jobs. Still others can’t even get a job.

So, his way, instead of creating a better public education system open to all, instead of affordable higher education for those who are qualified, instead of ensuring fair wages and working conditions, instead of a progressive tax code that asks more of those who have obviously benefitted more from the economic stability that a strong infrastructure, sound regulation and educated populace provide, instead of a welfare system that allows people to apply for help when they need it, he wants the poor and oppressed to accept their lot in life and just pray that when they hold out their bowl to private philanthropists who profess Christ-centered love (’cause I guess that’s legitimate love), and ask, “More please?” that they get it.

thuggishNews

November 9th, 2012
8:02 am

My vote choice was not difficult to make. As a moderate republican who believes in science and does not dismiss scientific data which runs contrary to what some theologian says, who believes climate change is a problem, who believes the earth is round and we have many more planets around ours, and the earth is not 8500 years old, and disgusted by lies and personal attacks on a president my former party felt was not even born in this country, the choice was very easy. I was a republican until the Terry Schiavo debacle and good riddance to bad nonsense.

The party now belongs to folks with very little education and little understanding of many of the economic/technical/global issues that affect humankind spewing nonsense and convincing many in their own ranks who are far more intellectual than they are. Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and Hannity commenting on some subjects with a straight face debunking facts from known experts on such matters is a hoot for entertainment and comedy ratings. But when many accept their ignorance as fact, it shows the education dumb down that has happened in many parts of the great country in the rural wastelands where it has become easier to not intellectually critique opinions and ponder if there is another viewpoint. It is not a refreshing thought.

stands for decibels

November 9th, 2012
8:03 am

Before I head into the actual topic at hand, I have to ask–who, exactly, reads and/or is influenced by the National Review? I know it’s about as traditional as conservatism gets (although really, compared to liberal journals-of-record like TNR, or the Nation it’s still immature — in more ways than one)

The actual magazine’s circulation is a paltry 166,755. That’s merely a little better than the Nation’s, and I doubt their online readership is all that great either, even though I assume they’re somewhat influential beyond their raw numbers, at least within The Village.

(Just wondering.)

AU Liberal in ATL

November 9th, 2012
8:03 am

Wrong JP. President Obama has a terrific record. In four short years he accomplished more than most do in a life time. There is actually a long list of accomplishments which were highlighted during the campaign. Of course if you were busy sucking up the Fox koolaide you probably missed it all. You can be forgiven, but only if you stfu.

redweather

November 9th, 2012
8:07 am

David French makes one point I agree with when he says, “We simply can’t retreat into our large but still-minority cocoon of new media and talk only to each other.”

This is a definition of FOX News and Rush Limbaugh’s radio show. The great republican echo chamber. I, for one, hope they stay there.

Lord Help Us

November 9th, 2012
8:08 am

Charles Krauthammer today:

‘Republicans lost the election not because they advanced a bad argument but because they advanced a good argument not well enough.’

GOP just need to do a better job of marketing their crap…keep listening to this denial and GOP will keep losing.

stands for decibels

November 9th, 2012
8:08 am

I find it very difficult to muddle through this conservative wankfest when I come across a verbiage like this:

yet will still consistently pull the lever for statist candidates.

Ya know, NRO-ers? When you consistently use idiotic terminology like “statist” to demonize rational people in your midst? To quote John Lennon, “you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.”

Ronald Reagan Parkway

November 9th, 2012
8:09 am

As might be expected, there’s a lot rethinking under way among conservatives

_____

How long will it take before the partisan divide rears its head…the only reason that they are making these analysis is because they suffered a “$evere” lost; the Republicans were blindsided. I was watching the pundits on TV. Last night and they were critiquing the Electoral College. If Romney would have won, the Republicans would have said that America had been taken back end of discussion!!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:12 am

“who, exactly, reads and/or is influenced by the National Review?”

I know … William F. Buckley must be spinning like a TOP in his grave.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 9th, 2012
8:14 am

The GOP is staring to learn that it hurts to withdraw from the drug of self delusion.

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 9th, 2012
8:14 am

Government is the disease masquarading as the cure.
.
Learn it……..know it………because unfortunantly…….you’ll be getting it.
And getting it hard.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:14 am

JAY

The GOP has clearly been hijacked and won’t likely be occupying the WH remotely soon…

How long do you think we can continue to afford the ever expanding “assistance” which the DEMs seem to keep bestowing upon this under 50k DEM voting block? I think we cut defense by 25% but that won’t do much if the DEMS continue their tradition of increasing entitlements to maintain this expanding, supportive voting pool…we are at risk of running out of other peoples money…

How long?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

November 9th, 2012
8:18 am

How long do you think we can continue to afford the ever expanding “assistance” which the DEMs seem to keep bestowing upon this under 50k DEM voting block?

Old white people voted for Romney. I think we should cut their assistance first.

Yeah, good luck with that. :)

JP

November 9th, 2012
8:19 am

You’re right UA Lib…your god-king has done a lot in fours years…record unemployment, record deficit spending, Libya snafu, fast and furious…to name a few. He has been busy! He’s also has improved his golf game. Enjoy the kook -aid.

straitroad

November 9th, 2012
8:20 am

The fact remains that we have a divided country right now for a simple reason, federal government control. As long as the federal government has as much influence in our lives as it does, we will remain divided. The founders never intended for the federal government to trump the states in most areas. All of the handouts are tempting to a lot of people but they cannot be sustained. We can’t have a massive welfare state and economic freedom coexisting together. The two just do not mix. Now that the president no longer has to worry about the electorate, we’ll see if he moderates or becomes more authoritarian. I fear the latter.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:21 am

AULiberal

Much evidence of more failed promises that the opposite…saying anything to get elected then attempting to follow through on 90% of promises..he is no different than his predecessors and his successors will be no different from him…the ability of the WH to influence much of anything is vastly over-rated..

Why are you suggesting someone who disagrees with you to stfu?

Better to back up your argument with some facts don’t you agree?

flagboy?

November 9th, 2012
8:21 am

I don’t think either side has a monopoly on propaganda.

Looks like all the Republicans have to do is get more people to make over 50K a year. . should be easy.

Tundra Dude

November 9th, 2012
8:21 am

So really, he thinks the Republican message has failed because of inadequate indoctrination starting from childhood. Think about that.

They could be on to something……Adolph had his Youth Corps…..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 9th, 2012
8:22 am

It is clear that the battle for the minds will continue. The difficult part for the progressives and moderates is to exposure the extremists real objectives and the marketing and packaging of their ideas as something they are not.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

November 9th, 2012
8:24 am

All of the focus on what the President has not done…what about Georgia? This state has been under Republican control for almost 12 years. Has Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal created an environment in this state that does not alienate people of color?

alex

November 9th, 2012
8:24 am

Enter your comments here

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:24 am

“Learn it……..know it………because unfortunantly…….you’ll be getting it.
And getting it hard.”

soooooooooooo many comments … sooooooooo little time …

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:24 am

BYTEME

That’s the question..I agree we should increase rates and minimize loopholes and the like but that won’t raise, as currently suggested, more than $80 billion a year versus a $1.3 or so trillion of deficit spending and increased entitlement costs which outpace this amount…

How much time do you think we buy by simply increasing taxes on the “rich”?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:25 am

“How much time do you think we buy by simply increasing taxes on the “rich”?”

cutting loopholes /= increasing taxes … it’s making they pay what they owe.

secondly, I don’t think ANY dem has said that cuts are off the table …

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:26 am

THEM … not they … criminey …

JamVet

November 9th, 2012
8:27 am

T Heyward and straitroad,

Uncle Sam is NOT the problem.

YOUR misguided proclivity for using him/hating him and blaming him for the ills in this great nation are the problem.

Reagan was a fool for ever making that statement. And Tuesday night’s staggeringly bad results for the right wing’s Anti-Patriot Party are evidence.

Shake off your thirty year Uncle Sam-hating demons and toss that moronic 11th Commandment out the window, while you are at it.

Your little honor amongst thieves club is in BIG trouble…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:27 am

RONALD,

I agree…comparing Obama to GA GOP is an interesting approach…I can’t imagine mentioning them in the same sentence….

YouLibs

November 9th, 2012
8:28 am

Where can I get me some of this free stuff, anyway?

I must be a really bad democrat because I haven’t gotten any free stuff since I went to school on the G.I. Bill back in ‘72. If you call being placed in a combat zone for thirteen months in Vietnam not paying anything, that is.

Paul

November 9th, 2012
8:28 am

At least they’re doing some introspection and realize they are the problem. They’re lurching towards a solution (and that ’solution’ outlined strikes me as seriously deficient) but, at least they’re lurching.

As long as they’re going to invoke “Christ-centered love and concern for the individual” I’d suggest they spend more time on other principles, such as turning away from their old beliefs, repenting of their hostility and stereotyping of their fellow man, exhibiting a spirit of sharing and compassion in structuring the mechanisms in which people achieve material sufficiency, and to stop looking at others as tools to use to advance their own power agenda.

So much for practical religion.

alex

November 9th, 2012
8:29 am

Obama wins!
Obama annouces trip to BURMA!

will someone tell him there are elephants at the National Zoo (and zebras and ducks, …)

The more I look at the voting issues and the Hispanic and the black and white vote, the MORE iam convinced that this country is extremely divided, I do hope that our president (yes, mine too) jetisons the class warfare crap,it doesn’t help…

Paul

November 9th, 2012
8:29 am

Oh, and a whole lotta new monikers this morning.

Amazing how in a couple days following an election defeat, Jay suddenly gets discovered by a whole new group of bloggers!

Ronald Reagan Parkway

November 9th, 2012
8:29 am

Do the math under Nathan Deal:

1. cuts deeply into the amount that is funded to public schools
2. changes the rules for the Hope Scholarship
3. passes legislation that targets hispanics
4. creates an Amendment (Charter School) with intentions on trickery
5. allows several areas that generate large amounts of revenue to form their own cities

How is this not divisive?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:30 am

JAMVET

I agree completely that government, as the system is manipulated, is the problem…money corrupts primarily by allowing politicians to vote in the interest of re-election as opposed to for us…that’s the problem IMO…making the government bigger and bigger doesn’t change results if the dysfunction of the current BS system isn’t corrected…Like that will happen in our lifetimes..

Skip

November 9th, 2012
8:33 am

500,000 jobs lost to 150.000 gained. I like the direction.

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 9th, 2012
8:33 am

JamVet

November 9th, 2012
8:27 am

T Heyward and straitroad,

Uncle Sam is NOT the problem.
—————————————————————-
.
Tell that to the largest prison population in the world, the millions more permanently branded with a drug conviction, and little legless pakistani girls compliments of your creepy Uncle Sam’s RC toys.
.
tool

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:34 am

RONALD

Working within a balanced budget is always divisive..that’s why we spend 30% more than we take in on a federal level…they don’t have to balance budget and too many have convinced themselves that deficits and debt don’t matter…”government isn’t business..” that’s because they have the collateral of our and our kids and their kids earnings..

indigo

November 9th, 2012
8:34 am

The Republican Party, now owned by the far-right, finds itself between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, their Christian fundamentalist beliefs seem to lock them into unshakable stands on abortion. And, their rigid ideology on affirmative action, immigration and refusing to increase taxes on the rich also seems unshakable.

On the other hand, it’s become clear that American demographics are changing and will continue to change in ways that increasingly favor liberal politics.

So, what’s a poor conservative to do? You might think that rigid religous dogma among politicians can’t be shaken. However, if these politicians have to choose between political power and religious beliefs, power will win, every time.

Therefore, Republican politicians will swallow the bitter pill of reality and adjust their beliefs accordingly. In this regard, Romney has paved the way for flip-flopping and doing 180’s for Republicans.

YouLibs

November 9th, 2012
8:35 am

After thinking about it, I can’t think of any of my Democrat friends who are getting any free stuff, either.

What’s up with that, Democratic Party? Why are you giving free stuff to everybody but me and my friends?

Tundra Dude

November 9th, 2012
8:35 am

The GOP has clearly been hijacked and won’t likely be occupying the WH remotely soon

The “Special Ed” Brigade (tea party) agrees. Their solution is to take back the R party.
Sounds like a winner…..

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 9th, 2012
8:35 am

USinUK,

You’re right, that was an amazing article and pathetic at the same time. This is where the Tim McVey’s are born and I’m not sure there’s much we can do to stop it.

Citizen of the World

November 9th, 2012
8:35 am

Paul @ 8:28, I like what you said.

Joel Edge

November 9th, 2012
8:36 am

“I detect a lack of desire by Republicans to compromise.”
You detect correctly. You folks get to own the next fours years. Good luck.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 9th, 2012
8:40 am

JP – “your god-king has done a lot in fours years…record unemployment, record deficit spending, Libya snafu, fast and furious…to name a few.”

And yet he still beat Romney. Maybe next time you’ll know better than to back the guy that lost to the guy that got beat by the President.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

November 9th, 2012
8:42 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

November 9th, 2012
8:34 am

please take off your rose colored glasses….a blind man can see what Nathan Deal is doing to this state…when all else fails in Georgia, blame President Obama!!

stands for decibels

November 9th, 2012
8:42 am

Ok, I’ve absorbed this, and well…

the scope of the solution falls romantically short of the scale of the problem.

if by “solution” you mean the ridiculously myopic, cluelessly non-reflective and fundamentally dishonest conclusions reached by this right wing brain trust? yeah, absotively.

For starters, the conservative message isn’t “scary” so much as it is just dishonest. Once you get past the nonsense they spread about the alleged unsustainability of providing the kind of social assistance to the citizenry that virtually every other civilized nation provides without blinking an eye, you have to assume everything else they’re peddling of an economic nature is suspect. And upon closer inspection, it virtually always is.

Secondly, those issues that they are now trying to dismiss as “social issues”–these are fundamental civil rights, and you NRO drones are CONSISTENTLY on the wrong side, whether it was WF Buckley’s embarrassingly horrid 1950s take on the “negro problem” to fighting women’s liberation in the 1970s to marriage equality of late. You have no cred, period, and you continue to appeal to a group of Americans that is literally dying off.

I don’t know how you fix this, and frankly I don’t care, at least not nearly as much as Jay. I’d rather focus on what Obama and Reid and Pelosi need to do to defend SS and Medicare against the Simpson-Bowels a-holes within their own party than worry about the losers.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:42 am

“Where can I get me some of this free stuff, anyway?”

well, when I want free stuff, I like going to Costco … they almost always have some nice samples out … of course, by the time I’ve left, I usually drop £100, so it’s not really “free” …

Aquagirl

November 9th, 2012
8:44 am

Amazing how in a couple days following an election defeat, Jay suddenly gets discovered by a whole new group of bloggers!

And they all smell faintly of foot powder and shoe leather….what’s up with that?

Patrick

November 9th, 2012
8:44 am

I think I can help the GOP by summing up their problems:

1) Expose’!!–What we are doing isn’t working.
2) We need to “have a conversation with” not “talk down to” folks that are not exactly like us.
3) See #1.

Mary Elizabeth

November 9th, 2012
8:44 am

“But the system itself has changed in ways that permit fewer and fewer people to make that journey. That’s just a fact, and the causes driving that change are economic and technological in nature, not political.

(The cause is also not moral in nature. . . .”
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I will never agree with your assertions above, Jay. Not because you keep making them, but because I simply do not perceive the above assertions to be truth. I will keep speaking truth, as I see it, regardless of how small the circle of influence I might have. Truth stated is better than silence, imo, for silence iimplies concurrence, and this is too important to disregard in silence.

ALEC was created in the mid-1970s for political purposes. One of the purposes of ALEC has been to “starve the beast of government.” In my opinion, and in the opinion of Paul Krugman, the Bush administration – for ideological reasons – deliberately ran up the deficit to the tune of 10 trillion dollars – through tax cuts that favored the wealthy and through two unfunded wars and Medicare D that favored Big Pharma – for the deliberate purpose of creating financial difficulty in this nation so that entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare would, by necessity, have to be cut drastically. If that purpose was not political and if that purpose was not ideological, I do not know what is. Imo, doing that deliberately was also immoral (I realize I did not use the word “amoral”) in terms of the hardships it has created on the American people. Just think how much lower our deficit would be now had 10 trillion not been run up during Bush’s tenure as president.

Krugman: “Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government’s fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?scp=1&sq=Paul%20Krugman,%20The%20Bankruptcy%20Boys,%202/22/10&st=Search&_r=0
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I keep repeating this truth, as I see it, because I believe that effective – and just – solutions to American’s financial deficit problem will not be forthcoming, if one of the major underlying reasons for this problem is not acknowledged as truth, unorthdox as that truth may appear to some.

Child, please

November 9th, 2012
8:45 am

Did the auto bailout work? Direct cost to taxpayers of $25 billion plus, with interest on top of that? That’s a lot of money to “save” jobs. Plus GM bondholders got screwed (I realize that just investment money, which doesn’t count to liberals).
I’m just looking for the cliff to kick in and eagerly await a financial ordering of the house. Please don’t do anything Congress, the mix of increased taxes and heavy spending cuts will do all the things you haven’t had the will to do previously.

I know one version of the Mayan calendar has us going away on 12/21/12, but 12/31/12 might be the day we set ourselves on a course to fixing 200+ years of deficit spending. Of course, we are going to have a big recession, but that’s like the headache after the weeklong drinking party. Inevitable.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:45 am

““I detect a lack of desire by Republicans to compromise.”
You detect correctly.”

yep.

that worked out REALLY well for you on Tuesday.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 9th, 2012
8:46 am

Joel Edge – ““I detect a lack of desire by Republicans to compromise.”
You detect correctly. You folks get to own the next fours years. Good luck.”

Given up the Whitehouse for good?

Splavistic

November 9th, 2012
8:46 am

Yeah, there’s a LOT of Christ-centered ‘compassion’ on the Fox News and Fox Nation web sites.

Tons!

alex

November 9th, 2012
8:46 am

@liberal, your intellectual lexicon befuddles the imagination, with supporters like you one can only and SHOULD question the presidents accomplishments…..

@stands..”verbal wankfest’ and a quote from John Lennon and YOU have the temerity to complain about verbage, goodness, you must be an amusing person….Give us more…..

ElectionsHaveConsequences

November 9th, 2012
8:48 am

Jay,

So your premise is-lack of entitlements and educational spending is the culprit for this paradigm shift? I’m just a poor, dumb capitalist, please help me out. Thanks,

JamVet

November 9th, 2012
8:48 am

Man, talk about delusional.

You right wing “drown him in a bathtub” types, think that we can have same size government we had when we had 16 million people in this country, even though we now have 316 million people.

Talk about stuck in the past!!!

Wake up.

Uncle Sam is corrupt! Exactly the way you pro-war, pro-corporate Reaganistas want it!

You prostrate yourselves for the very criminals who have bought our representatives off and who brought this nation to the very brink of A NEW GREAT DEPRESSION.

Had you neocons been around in the 1860’s, your fearless leader then would have written

“..that government of the BIG corporations, by the BIG corporations and for the BIG corporations shall not perish from the earth…”

Why do think that the disgusting Mr. “Corporations are people, my friend” Romney just got his ass kicked???

The answer is sovereignty. OUR sovereignty. As in WE THE PEOPLE’S sovereignty.

Nader is right – Washington DC is corporate owned territory. American corporations are awesome. And they were even better when they were the people’s servants, not our masters…

guy

November 9th, 2012
8:49 am

As long as this nation becomes less educated(and it definitely is as anyone can see) and the debt keeps on rising,no party can stop the looming disaster. When you spend more than you take in,look out! We all need to do the math and face reality.Not racism,REALISM! Why not cut all the aid to nations who dislike us no matter what? Stop the wars and take care of each other!

JamVet

November 9th, 2012
8:50 am

…verbage…

The correct word is verbiage.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 9th, 2012
8:50 am

USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 9th, 2012
8:25 am

Morning..

Taxing the “rich” defined as amounts over $250 at 100% would run the goverment for 140 days or so…of course that is unrealisitic…but telling…that amount may fund the deficit spending but what evidence exists that suggests the DEMS would actually cut through reform Medicare, Medicaid, SS…DoD is easily 25% fat…but we have to find real money in entitlements that can be cut soon…worst case outcome is we get the meager tax increases offered but any meaningful cuts are pushed of many years…the likelihood of them coming to fruition, especially given the political risks, is remote IMO

H.E. Pennypacker

November 9th, 2012
8:50 am

David Frum just had a relevant tweet:

The same people who tied the cement overshoes to Mitt’s feet will now blame him for sinking.

stands for decibels

November 9th, 2012
8:50 am

YOU have the temerity to complain about verbage

Of course I do. I am not paid to articulate my views to the public like an NROvian.

And frankly if you want lowered discourse *and* are the noob you’re claiming to be, trust me, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. (but I’ve been on extra-super good behavior as a victor because I’m really trying not to be dickish.)

DannyX

November 9th, 2012
8:50 am

Christ centered compassion???

Impossible when you worship the rich and vilify the poor.

Mick

November 9th, 2012
8:51 am

Krugman nails it again, no grand bargain, let them take us over the cliff and deal with it…

rc

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

You nailed it Jay the moochers looters and parasites. Won. The producers lost
Just that simple.

alex

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

Jay, interesting,helpful…..

Interesting articles in the WSJ yesterday witha voting map, more impressive for the repubs in color…Anyway, other than a couple of editorials that are a bit whiny the thoughts on the hispanic vote are informative, other than the paranoid Mary Elizabeth (bush is out 8 YEARS, 8 years, move on), might be helpful to peruse by all

Mary Elizabeth

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

“The admission about public schools is interesting, confirming my belief that Georgia’s Amendment One is a Trojan horse, and that those Democrats who supported its passage will one day come to rue that decision.”
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On this issue of public education and Amendment One, I agree with you. Below are my words about Amendment One’s impact in Georgia that I posted on Jim Galloway’s blog, yesterday:

“In the advertisement clip above, President Obama made a concentrated effort to emphasize the word ‘public,’ in voicing his support for ‘public charter schools.’ I do not believe that President Obama would be in support of the privatization of Georgia’s public schools. This constitutional amendment, according to some, could well become the impetus to usher in the ’school choice movement’ in Georgia that would ultimately dismantle traditional public schools in this state.

Only time will tell if public schools will become more privatized in Georgia, with an underlying profit motive. If traditional public schools become dismantled for private or quasi-private public schools, in the long run in Georgia, then all of the students of public schools (of all races) will not be well-served. Only the few (of all races) will be well-served.

Post Script: The penchant for looking after #1, rather than the common good, is not limited to any race or ethnic group.”

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DannyX

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

“Krugman nails it again, no grand bargain, let them take us over the cliff and deal with it…”

Indeed. Never give in to hostage takers.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

Joel,

That was just a ‘wow’ statement you made. I know a loss is tough to take for anyone but we’re talking about the country not a sports team. If your side doesn’t want to help govern then get out of the way and let us do it. If the House lets everything Obama wants through and things fail then you can have your wish and say that the Dems don’t know how to govern but if they stay the party of ‘NO’ then they must share the blame. So which is it – get of the pot or s**t?

Welcome to the Occupation

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

Jay: “But the system itself has changed in ways that permit fewer and fewer people to make that journey. That’s just a fact, and the causes driving that change are economic and technological in nature, not political.

That’s a quite stunning statement. Almost blew me right off my chair.

Wow.

Do you REALLY believe, Jay Bookman, that the structural changes in global capitalism that we’ve seen since the collapse of Bretton Woods in the 70s, the “Volcker shock” and the completely reoriented role of the Fed, the consolidation of neoliberalism as a hegemonic economic force around the world starting with Thatcher/Reagan and then really getting its legs under Blair and Clinton’s “Third Way” as non-political.

Really don’t know quite what to say to a statement that wrong-headed and naive. Just kind of speechless.

Obama won, now what......

November 9th, 2012
8:54 am

All you libs better not be posting on your employers time. If you were my employee, you would be shown the door!
Young libs offer to much opinion without substative work habits!

Doggone/GA

November 9th, 2012
8:54 am

“Krugman nails it again, no grand bargain, let them take us over the cliff and deal with it”

I have a strong suspicion that it’s not a cliff…it’s more like the edge of a curb. But if they don’t do anything about it in time…we’ll find out.

stands for decibels

November 9th, 2012
8:54 am

The producers lost

Oh, do tell–just what, of tangible value, does a guy like Romney actually “produce?”

Citizen of the World

November 9th, 2012
8:54 am

David French says that conservatives can’t continue to talk only to one another, but you know, you can’t talk to others unless you’re willing to listen, too.

But then, that’s not likely to happen, since all their media minions continually warn their viewers and listens against the evil of the mainstream/elite/liberal media to the point that anything they hear from the “other side” is immediately suspect.

There is no trust, therefore there is no room for dialogue, just as there is no room for compromise as far as conservatives are concerned.