The GOP’s self-defeating image of minorities as ‘takers’

I’m seeing and hearing a lot of this kind of thing, on this blog and elsewhere, as Republicans attempt to come to grips with Tuesday’s election defeat and try to seek explanations for why they lost.

For those unable to watch video, here’s what O’Reilly had to say on Election Night, as it was becoming apparent that it would be a bad night for Republicans:

“The white establishment is now the minority. And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama’s way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”

In one sense, you can understand why that kind of rationalization would be appealing. In effect, O’Reilly is telling his listeners that “We lost by being better than they are. It’s not our fault and there’s nothing we can or should change.” He applies the powerful salve of moral superiority to a open wound, and by doing so he makes people feel better. People like to feel better, so they’ll come back to Fox for more.

But O’Reilly’s wrong. He’s wrong as a matter of politics, he’s wrong as a matter of morality, and he’s wrong as a matter of history. His listeners are equally wrong to believe him. To the degree that they continue to do so, they are likely to experience more tough election nights in the years to come.

Think about it. While older white voters might find O’Reilly’s message reassuring, imagine that you’re black (93 percent for Obama), or Latino-American (71 percent for Obama), or Asian-American (73 percent for Obama). Imagine that you’re flipping through the news coverage on Election Night and you hear O’Reilly make those comments. How do they come across?

They come across as condescending and even racist, because they ARE condescending and racist. The comments equate the fading “white establishment” with all that is good and great in this country, while the rising minority tide is treated as “takers,” as leeches.

It’s not a complicated thing. Hearing that kind of argument, the natural reaction of almost any non-white listener will be to reject the political party from which such sentiments are emanating, regardless of what other affinities you might have with it. Because you and your parents and your cousins and your friends are being insulted.

But is O’Reilly’s formulation nonetheless accurate? Not even close.

To use his term, it was “the white establishment” that created Social Security, and it did so largely for white people, because that’s who dominated this country at the time. It was the white establishment that created Medicare, and it did so largely for white people, because again, that’s who dominated the country at that time. More recently, the white establishment, in the form of President George W. Bush and a Republican Congress, created Medicare Part D.

Who’s on Medicaid, the government-financed health care program that Romney/Ryan proposed to slash? Among the non-elderly, some 43 percent are white, 22 percent are black and 28 percent are Latino. And who’s on food stamps? According to the Census Bureau, 59 percent are white.

And if you really want to get down to it, we can do so.

U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan campaigns at The Villages retirement community in Florida, promising to protect "free stuff" for senior citizens.

U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan campaigns at The Villages retirement community in Florida, promising to protect "free stuff" for senior citizens.

When Paul Ryan campaigned in the massive Villages retirement community in central Florida this year, promising to restore the $716 billion in “free stuff” that Obama had cut from Medicare, he wasn’t pitching those remarks to retired black school-bus drivers. He was pitching them to white Americans over 65, 61 percent of whom ended up voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket.

Because let’s be blunt. No demographic group in the country gets more “free stuff” from the government than its senior citizens. In fact, seniors make up roughly half of that infamous “47 percent” who pay no federal income taxes. And a lot of them sat there Tuesday night, watching on Fox and shaking their heads in agreement with O’Reilly.

One final point:

The 2012 exit polls offer further evidence to rebut the notion that Obama’s coalition is motivated largely by the demand for “free stuff.”

For example:

– The 65 percent of Americans who believe that illegal immigrants ought to be given a chance to become U.S. citizens voted for Obama by a 24-point margin. These are people drawn to this country by the opportunity to work to make things better for themselves and their children, and the Obama coalition respects them for it.

– The 49 percent of Americans who believe that gay marriage should be legal voted for Obama by a 48-point margin. (The 46 percent who believe it should be banned voted for Romney by a similar margin.) Younger Americans in particular define that as a basic civil right, and voters in four states confirmed that belief Tuesday.

– The 59 percent of Americans who believe that abortion ought to be legal — that such an issue is up to the individual, rather than government bureaucrats — voted for Obama by a 36-point margin.

That’s not “free stuff.” That’s freedom and opportunity, even if the definitions of freedom and opportunity might differ from those of earlier generations of Americans. That’s how it ought to be. Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process.

– Jay Bookman

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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
10:53 am

Hey – if the GOP thinks that’s going to work for them … that going EVEN FARTHER to the right is their winning ticket … LET ‘EM!!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266649-conservatives-lambast-romney-vow-to-take-over-gop

Mr Right

November 8th, 2012
10:54 am

This is a screwed up country now!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
10:55 am

“The 59 percent of Americans who believe that abortion ought to be legal — that such an issue is up to the individual, rather than government bureaucrats — voted for Obama by a 36-point margin”

and in the Hispanic community, that number was even higher.

Do I have to use my real name?

November 8th, 2012
10:57 am

Speaking of freedom………Do you have similar stats for correlating votes for marijuana legalization in CO and WA and votes for Obama?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 8th, 2012
10:59 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 8th, 2012
10:59 am

Start now for 2014 and work to turn the house blue.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:00 am

“marijuana legalization”

a idea whose time has flippin’ COME. sheesh.

M

November 8th, 2012
11:01 am

The single most common rant I’ve seen on Facebook is the “Well, I don’t have any need to work hard anymore…I’ll just do the bare minimum and get my free stuff from the government, too!!!” crap.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:01 am

“Start now for 2014 and work to turn the house blue.”

ack.

can we take the week off, ma’am??

Racism, School Desegregation Laws and the Civil Rights Movement in the United States

November 8th, 2012
11:03 am

This video illustrates the heart of retaliation during the Civil Rights Movement. The South endured so much hate and some would like to see those days return. Beginning at 18:32, the man that is speaking tells how the laws were created by the KKK. For all of those that would like a refreshed Southern History course, please feel free to watch. Some may find the video offensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:04 am

But if Fox says it, it must be true? :roll:

The right has created its own bubble world. A massive hole was torn in that bubble on Tuesday and yet rather than deal with reality they world to close up the bubble and patch it.

Midori

November 8th, 2012
11:04 am

I’ll tell you what: I “DO” want stuff.

I want my social security benefits when I’m eligible.

You know, the same benefits I’vecontributed to during my entire life as a working person.

King of Planet Kolob

November 8th, 2012
11:05 am

And the biggest moochers and takers of all are those who make millions but pays 0% – 15% on their taxes while the rest of us pays 30% on a tens of thousand.

stands for decibels

November 8th, 2012
11:05 am

For those unable to watch video

Given it’s BillO, that really should include 100% of your reading audience.

Michael

November 8th, 2012
11:06 am

As I read yesterday, people will gravitate towards Broadcasters who support their views. We all do that more or less, but until we open our minds up we only take in information that we want to hear and it reinforces our chersihed belief system. Closed mind, closed life. Bill and the rest of the the Repulicans are trying to figure out what hit them and Oreilly is clueless.

stands for decibels

November 8th, 2012
11:07 am

…oh, it’s the “they ‘want stuff’” a-holery clip? heard that.

Who DOESN’T “want stuff?” I don’t know that this merits much further conversation or exposure. I don’t really care if these ass clowns reform themselves this week, or next year. It will happen by hook or by crook.

That said, I do appreciate your tireless efforts to patiently explain the obvious to the not-very-bright, Jay. You earn double whatever they’re paying you, far as I’m concerned.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

November 8th, 2012
11:08 am

“What an incredible story to tell yourselves,” Stewart said. “We would’ve won if it weren’t for the moral failings of the non-real America. Fox lost because last night, minorities, who feel entitled to things, came and took the country away form the self-sufficient, white, Medicare retirees and upper class tax avoidance experts — or, as they’re also known, your audience.”

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-7-2012/post-democalypse-2012—america-takes-a-shower—karl-rove-s-math

Simple Truths

November 8th, 2012
11:08 am

More peace, love, and positivity today on Jay’s blog.

stands for decibels

November 8th, 2012
11:09 am

and in the Hispanic community, that number was even higher.

but but “I’m Catholic and I VOTE” bumper stickerz!

Midori

November 8th, 2012
11:09 am

Keep –

did you see Karl Rove’s on camera meltdown on Election Night?

It was comedic GOLD.

Even the anchors called him crazy :lol:

Martin the Calvinist

November 8th, 2012
11:09 am

Yea Granny, just like USinUK said, can’t we take a week off, In fact, can’t we take at least a year off. Geesh.

Now to Jay’s point, what Bill O’Reilly said was just stupid. But, we do hand out a lot of goodies to a lot of people… no matter their race. That’s the problem! That’s a huge part of the reason that we have such a large deficit, the other two is Defense Spending and low Revenue…But I’m not an advocate of a 3 trillion dollar budget or larger at all. We really need to shrink that budget down to about 1.5 Trillion annually.

On a different note, Jamie Dupree on the Radio said at that moment, all votes weren’t counted yet, that 8 million people less people voted for Obama in 2012 than in 2008, about 2.5 million less voted for Romney than who voted for McCain in 08… So turnout was a little less this year than last….

BuckeyeInGa

November 8th, 2012
11:10 am

I mentioned this on Kyle’s thread…sad but the Republicans will continue to lose unless this mindset is changed.

Fred ™

November 8th, 2012
11:11 am

People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”

What these morons don’t realize is that we are Americans, black white, hispanic, men, women, all we feel we are entitled to is respect as human beings and the freedom to live our lives without Republican so called ” morality.

We’ve seen what YOU call morality Republicans, and we reject it lock stock and barrel. Your posters here like Doom and others have shown us your so called “honor and integrity” and we reject it. They’ve shown us your lies and we reject them. You are small, sad, scared, pathetic little excuses of humans and we reject you. You have rendered yourselves meaningless except to the minority of talk radio listeners and Fox Bots. There are only a small number of the weak minded you can overwhelm with your lies. The rest of us reject you.

And your response? Double down on the lies and the hate. Please leave you traitors. We, the people, neither want nor need you.

TaxPayer

November 8th, 2012
11:12 am

Things have gotten so bad… how bad are they? They’re so bad, even Ann Coulter has started singing the blues. I think she’s the one in the middle, on the floor.

alex

November 8th, 2012
11:12 am

WAY too simple minded for both you and O’reilly,tell my dad ss is agift and he’ll wonder why he paid into it…….

Brosephus™

November 8th, 2012
11:12 am

I’ll tell y’all what… and if this sounds racist, then forgive me as that is not my intent.

If you think people want free stuff and you don’t have to work, then quit already dammit!! Move out the way so that those of us who want to do things can get a turn at bat. We’ll turn this place into the real life version of “Trading Places” as many of the young and minority people want to succeed. We just don’t get the same opportunities to do that.

We’re going to take this country. We’re going to take it and keep it going forth as it has always been. America has always been the land of opportunity, and a change in majority/minority groups won’t be the end of this place. My word of caution is to not eliminate minority protections as your current actions are not taken very well with the current minority groups. There’s no guarantee that new minority protections will be enacted to save your asses when you’re on the other end.

Midori

November 8th, 2012
11:12 am

Buckeye — and they deserve to lose.

You can’t build a coalition based on lies and hatred.

Not in today’s America.

Mick

November 8th, 2012
11:14 am

Brilliant colummn, thanks again for so eloquently telling it like it is! However, it will be failing on deaf ears…

Midori

November 8th, 2012
11:14 am

well said Fred.

well said Bro.

Ben

November 8th, 2012
11:15 am

I don’t think minorities are “takers”, I think takers are takers. And takers did swing this election.

The abortion junk was a very successful scare tactic. No one who is paying attention seriously thinks that the SCOTUS is going to overturn Roe v. Wade, but it sure made a lot of fools scared. Funny thing, abortion stuff was not anywhere on Romney’s agenda, the press just decided to attack him on it even though he had no intention of changing anything. And it worked, definitely helped Obama win.

If only they attacked Obama with stuff he would like to do but isn’t going to do because he knows there’s no way it would fly. Then it would have been a fair and open fight. Must be nice for Obama knowing the press had his back and was happy to lie and cover and omit and bias his way back to the White House.

barking frog

November 8th, 2012
11:15 am

Congratulations to the brown majority. I feel since the white minority is no longer
threatened with the loss of their majority status we should tear down that fence
Mr. Obama and have immigration nafta with Mexico and Canada.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:16 am

Midori, I saw that meltdown and others. Stewart has a great take on it last night too…Funny but sad.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:16 am

“but but “I’m Catholic and I VOTE” bumper stickerz!”

heh.

I’m FB friends with a high school friend’s mother … and i’m telling you, she’s more Catholic than the Pope …

it was ALL I could do not to forward her Rachel Maddow’s opening from last night (here ’tis, if you didn’t see it).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/49736328#49736431

nearly 2/3 of america want abortion to remain legal. deal with it.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 8th, 2012
11:17 am

I don’t see any real statesmen (statespeople?) in the Republican Party any more. They need someone to lead them out of the desert otherwise they’ll spend the next 40 years wondering around in it.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 8th, 2012
11:17 am

helpful hint from de island mon – do NOT play the game where you
listen to AM radio and Drink every time you hear Makers/Takers.

your liver & the DOT thank you (geez, we’ll never clean up this mess)

F. Sinkwich

November 8th, 2012
11:18 am

That’s just what the republicans need, unsolicited advice from Jay and his choir of commie clowns.

Look, you won. You don’t need anything from anyone to do what you want, regardless of its questionable popularity (see Obamacare).

O’bozo said four years ago he would fundamentally change America. I naively believed he couldn’t do that, but he succeeded.

All he had to do was promise free stuff (healthcare, student loans, rubbers and whatnot) funded by undeserving ingrates (the “rich”) and it worked, easily!

RIP USA, 1776 – 2012

“Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process.”

Indeed.

MANGLER

November 8th, 2012
11:19 am

Waiting in line to vote, the people around me were chit chatting with each other about who they were going to vote for and why (and the rain), as if they all seemed to agree and assume that because of where we were, that everyone in that line thought the same way. The older people were griping about Obama phones but not wanting anything to happen to their Medicaid. They were complaining about food stamps and WIC while lamenting the thought of losing their mortgage deductions or charitable contribution deductions. They were all about “choice” when it pertains to creating an additional layer of Government to oversee and overrule the local Boards to make private charter schools using public education dollars, and yet in the same breath complained about birth control or contraception as part of healthcare practice because that choice isn’t ok. And apparently something happened in a town called Benghazi. I hadn’t heard about that. Had you? They were outraged! Yet they didn’t seem to complain about the 5,000+ troops that have died in the Middle East since 2001 over a war that was started under false pretenses. I did pipe up and start some crap when those comments came around. I may have uttered a sentence with “roses”, “heads”, and “rectum” at that point.

Regnad Kcin

November 8th, 2012
11:19 am

Before republicans can regain their place as a viable party, they’re gonna have to figure out what to do during the Primary.

Apparently, no republican candidate can make it out of the primary without commtting to stupid, politically unviable positions. Then, they have to try to “walk back” those positions all during the election cycle, leaving them open to (true) charges of “flip-flop”.

I’d be interested in hearing the views of conservative commenters on this situation. Those whose comments reduce to “the electorate is stupid,” please think again before posting – that is not a position that will ever help republicans.

DeborahinAthens

November 8th, 2012
11:20 am

Repugs spin and twist, trying to avoid facing the fact that they lost because they have become a party of nuts. I am white, older, in the next to the highest tax bracket. I have been married to the same man for 42 years. I have two grown sons who are well educated and employed with happy families. I was a Republican until G.W.Bush became the golden child of a party that had come to bend to the whims of the religious nut jobs. They became more interested in growing government to be sure that no one had any liberties, while at the same time screaming about big government. That the bobble heads on Fox News and the ding bats like Palin, Akins, Mourdock, and that pitiful , brainless trash, Paul Broun cannot even see the hypocrisy, makes me marvel at their stupidity. That their followers watch a reasonable middle of the road man like Romney have to contort his values to suck up to the Bible thumpers makes me marvel at their stupidity. The irony of this election is that, had the old Mittens run, the one that is on camera saying he believes in a woman’s right to choose, the Mitt that crafted a fairly decent health care plan for Massachusetts, Imight have voted for him. As a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, I watched in horror as Dubya the Dumb brought this country to its knees with his ludicrous tax cuts, two wars he paid for as an ” emergency” for five years, his Medicare Part D that was a financial windfall for the drug companies. And then we have had to listen to the Republicans refuse to own their mess. So Repugs, keep spinning, keep listening to your ill informed Fox News Bimbette, and listen to Ann (harpy) Coulter, and Sarah (dingbat) Palin (I cannot believe anyone had the idiocy to ask that horror of a woman her opinion on the Obama re-election yesterday) . Keep vilifying Chris Christy, a good, honorable man, for working with Obama to help his people survive a terrible calamity. And you know what? Unless I am dead in 2016, I will vote for Hillary Clinton, who will be our first woman President.

Erwin's cat

November 8th, 2012
11:21 am

let’s be blunt.

yes let’s be :D ….in CO and WA

booger

November 8th, 2012
11:21 am

It’s interesting that you refer to social security and medicare as “free stuff”. I paid into these systems my entire working life. If what I paid is not enough, I didn’t set the amount. The government did. If the amount is wrong, there is nothing I can do about it. Also these old leeches you refer to have no choice.. They get SS and Medicare whether they ask for it or not.

This is not quite the same as someone living in section 8 housing, getting financial assistance, food stamps, 100% free medical care for them and their families, free school breakfasts and lunch even when schools out in some cases, free obamaphones as one lady described them plus service, college loans which do not have to be repaid as long as you stay poor, and numerous free things through community action non profits.

Regnad Kcin

November 8th, 2012
11:21 am

” No one who is paying attention seriously thinks that the SCOTUS is going to overturn Roe v. Wade, but it sure made a lot of fools scared.”

True dat. However, the republicans kept bringing it up, as in “if elected, I will work to make abortion illegal” type statements. That made the subject fair game, don’t you think?

Brosephus™

November 8th, 2012
11:22 am

frog: Mr. Obama and have immigration nafta with Mexico and Canada.

We already have that. Between NAFTA, SENTRI, NEXUS, and Global Entry, the only thing that really separates Mexico, Canada, and the US is nationalities. Pretty soon, we’ll be integrated to the point where our economies will likely mirror each other with pinpoint precision.

Fred ™

November 8th, 2012
11:22 am

Hey Brocephus @ 11:12: PREACH IT BROTHER Tell them, lead follow or better yet, just get the freak out of the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY

Mick

November 8th, 2012
11:22 am

**RIP USA, 1776 – 2012

Hogwash…I’ll take this version over 2000-2008 any day plus sunday. Play your cards right and you’ll get another shot…eventually…

STEVIE RAY

November 8th, 2012
11:23 am

JAY

You are way out of line suggesting this guy is a racist..being bit dramatic aren’t you …expected better.

Here’s what I see:

“People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”

How exactly is that racist..you are taking the meaning of “them” in a context that maximizes and sensationalizes you ridiculous point.

Could it be that “them” includes the white establishment minority as well as those other victims as you suggest of racism?

It is unlikely you could hold your own in a debate with this guy…he’s a toad to be sure, and right leaning but at least he attempts to provide an alternative view on all his shows..

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 8th, 2012
11:23 am

USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:01 am
“Start now for 2014 and work to turn the house blue.”

ack.

can we take the week off, ma’am??

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If you must…..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 8th, 2012
11:24 am

My wife and I discussed the amazing Latino-Repub disconnect again last night. She still can’t believe that the GOP is trying to run off people like her.

“They’re eating their seed corn,” she said. “If they’d just stop being afraid of brown people and stop talking smack about us, they could get us on their side and have no problem taking the White House and Senate.” But they can’t. They just can’t do it.

It’s part of the Republican mindset; the fear and blaming of The Other. It’s always got to be the fault of some easily identifiable group of people, and skin color and language help to make targeting easier.

There’s never any consideration on their part that *professional* Latinos — who have educations and good jobs, who pay taxes and don’t receive Federal assistance — might get insulted when a GOP candidate slags on Latinos who haven’t come as far up the ladder yet. No, they *invite* the professional Latino into their crowd and then continue to diss poor, working-class Latinos and speculate whether or not that construction crew over there has their immigration documents in order, ha, ha, ha. :roll:

P. J. O’Rourke pointed out once that Cubans will ride a leaky raft — made out of a door and milk jugs — 90 miles through shark-infested waters just to have a chance at getting a job making meals or turning down the bedclothes of wealthy Yanquis. And isn’t someone who’s THAT dedicated to getting a job the kind of person the Republicans say they want? Maybe. Maybe NOT.

Hispanics will bust their tails to make it in this country. Just give them time. And by the time the majority of them are educated and have good jobs — and you’re ready to welcome them into your political party — most of them will remember who was polite and considerate to them when they were just getting started.

And they won’t vote for you.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

November 8th, 2012
11:24 am

RIP USA, 1776 – 2012

Send Sinkwich a fainting couch. I’ll buy. Wouldn’t want him to hurt his widdle noggin.

STEVIE RAY

November 8th, 2012
11:24 am

ERWIN

I agree!! Too bad I’m off all blunts..

Erwin's cat

November 8th, 2012
11:25 am

What these morons don’t realize is that we are Americans, black white, hispanic, men, women, all we feel we are entitled to is respect as human beings and the freedom to live our lives without Republican so called ” morality.

actually I think most of the morons on the right and left…just want to be left the hell alone

stands for decibels

November 8th, 2012
11:25 am

nearly 2/3 of america want abortion to remain legal.

as I pointed out to Mrs. sfd last night as that graphic flashed, that number has remained very stable over the decades. I use this compendium of polling on the topic, others may have better / more recent resources.

http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm

at any rate, it is a loser issue for the GOP, and I suspect it will only get worse over the years.

Regnad Kcin

November 8th, 2012
11:25 am

“RIP USA, 1776 – 2012″

Obviously you have not an ounce of patriotism. Go to some country you consider “still alive,” while the rest of us carry on making America great!

Brosephus™

November 8th, 2012
11:25 am

EC @ 11:21

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet their tourism industry is about to go bonkers. I was thinking about transferring out to Sea-Tac, but that place will be a madhouse with the increase in international traffic pretty soon.

————————-

Fred

That’s all nice and good, but it’s almost time to say goodbye to Mr. Nice Guy and go this route.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw429JGL5zo

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:25 am

See Steve take one sentence and ignore the prior context….. but hey, he “didn’t build that” right?

stands for decibels

November 8th, 2012
11:26 am

yes let’s be :D ….in CO and WA

niiiice.

/drive-by

St Simons - he-ne-ha

November 8th, 2012
11:26 am

“Start now for 2014 and work to turn the House blue.”

I know, the cons are getting a head start on us making it turn Blue

Jm

November 8th, 2012
11:26 am

O’reilley is a wind bag

This is Mrs. Norman Maine

November 8th, 2012
11:26 am

The GOP has a problem. They have spent the last 4 years calling Obama names, hatching crazy birther conspiracies and stoking the fears of their crazy base that Obama is a socialist and a Muslim. They’ve spent the last 4 years demonizing Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, immigrants, gays and poor people. They’ve focused on personhood amendments, abortion, gay marriage, immigration and social support services and have stated they their sole goal is not to improve this country but to get Obama out of office. Did they think we didn’t notice? Well now they’ve failed and what to do because there are more of “us” than they are of “them” and that is not going to change. You got to stand for something instead of just hating everybody. It’s going to take them a minute to catch on especially down South here but eventually they’ll learn their lesson. I just hope they don’t take the country down in the process.

Commonscents

November 8th, 2012
11:27 am

The Republican party has been highjacked by radio and t.v. personalities. These personalities make money off of people’s emotions. Until true fiscal conservatives step up and reject their entertainment allies, the Republicans will continue this suicide strategy of alienating everyone that isn’t like the extreme right. This is unfortunate because the Democrats will enjoy national success without having to worry about being held accountable because the alternative is so extreme.

Jay

November 8th, 2012
11:28 am

And I in turn am disappointed in you, Stevie Ray.

You excerpt one sentence out of that rant, strip it of context such as “white establishment” and surging black and Hispanic vote, and then try to say “What? Who, me?”

Sorry bud. That’s just too damn transparent of you.

Fred ™

November 8th, 2012
11:28 am

All he had to do was promise free stuff (healthcare, student loans, rubbers and whatnot) funded by undeserving ingrates (the “rich”) and it worked, easily!

RIP USA, 1776 – 2012
++++++++++++++++++++++

Pack your bags and GIT traitor. We don’t need your scared little whiny soul. We need REAL Americans who are brave and strong minded enough to think for themselves. Go to where ever it is that Neal said he was going to go. As Brocephus said, QUIT, and let a real man have that job.

Jm

November 8th, 2012
11:28 am

They should legalize Mary Jane in GA

Even though it makes people dumb

getalife

November 8th, 2012
11:30 am

Stay the course cons.

You are doing a great job for the Dems.

DannyX

November 8th, 2012
11:30 am

DeborahinAthens and JHM,

Well said!

GT

November 8th, 2012
11:31 am

For months FOX amused itself and audience with the idea that the polls had been monkeyed with by the Democrats, another of the dozens of factious conspiracies they deal out like a machine gun every day. The exact opposite was happening, the Obama machine was making a new science of polling accuracy and the proof is in the reality of Tuesday night. They knew exactly where they were going to land, and then made a perfect landing. This is like the girl who finds her boyfriend is married to another woman but keeps on dating him anyway. Why do people continue to watch FOX? You look at the audience and you began to realize this is like intellectual fake wrestling. This is not reality but what some “get a life” people want life to be. It is political porn, and the people on FOX dealing it, are beginning to look like a loud disrespectful Jimmy Savile, where people overlooked their perversions for the entertainment value. R Murdock specializing in this muck for sale, he knows his audience well and plays them like a game show host making fools of his contestants who then come back begging for more.

Gale

November 8th, 2012
11:32 am

‘xactly, Bro! I was thinking the same thing, only you said it better. Y’all just quit then and try living on the “goodie” handouts. I will keep working, paying my taxes, and saving for my retirement. When I am enjoying that retirement, they will still be living with their hands out.

Regnad Kcin

November 8th, 2012
11:32 am

“They should legalize Mary Jane in GA

Even though it makes people dumb”
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In GA, how would you be able to tell?

(Sorry, I just couldn’t resist…) :D

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:32 am

“All he had to do was promise free stuff (healthcare, student loans, rubbers and whatnot) funded by undeserving ingrates (the “rich”) and it worked, easily!

RIP USA, 1776 – 2012″

aw, bless him … he and his little FOX friends are deep in the doldrums of denial

deegee

November 8th, 2012
11:32 am

So what things did O’Reilly want from Romney that he’s not going to get now? Did Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers give Romney millions of dollars in exchange for nothing? What politician goes around telling prospective voters that there’s nothing in it for them?

getalife

November 8th, 2012
11:32 am

Pssst, medical marijuana does work for pain.

Trust me on this one.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 8th, 2012
11:33 am

did you see Karl Rove’s on camera meltdown on Election Night?

Well, all I know is I’d rather be driving a beer truck than be in old Karl’s shoes when he meets up with that big shot in Las Vegas that donated $100 million to 14 races and his canadates lost every one of them. There’s more than one Godfather, you know, and that water around Hoover Dam is mighty deep, I hear.

Anyhow, I’m against the Takers in this country unless it’s me and mine. But these Republican big shots are so into power they’ll be demanding that each of us take one of Those People or a Mexican into our home and support them as family rather than them taking another azz-whooping like they done Tuesday. I ain’t seen a beat-down like that since Luke Snedegar caught Shorty Hanrahan in bed with his woman.

Have a good Thursday everybody.

barking frog

November 8th, 2012
11:33 am

Brosephus

Then the fence should go and let the border guards concentrate on drug
interdiction and terrorist infiltration. Indeterminate visas or work permits
should be the norm.

Jimmy Carter

November 8th, 2012
11:33 am

Fred ™

November 8th, 2012
11:34 am

booger

November 8th, 2012
11:21 am

This is not quite the same as someone living in section 8 housing, getting financial assistance, food stamps, 100% free medical care for them and their families, free school breakfasts and lunch even when schools out in some cases, free obamaphones as one lady described them plus service, college loans which do not have to be repaid as long as you stay poor, and numerous free things through community action non profits.
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As you should have seen Tuesday night booger, the number of low intelligence people like you who believe these talk radio/fox news lies is growing smaller every day. We thinking people wish they would grow even smaller FASTER. Please leave. We are tired of you American traitors. Do you need help with your air fare to the pie in the sky place thta Boortz is going to? Luggage? If you pronmise to NEVER come back I’ll buy you either one or both. Leave and denounce your citizenship in this “socialist” kenyan led Country of moochers.

Thulsa Doom

November 8th, 2012
11:34 am

Fred,

What was that about me needing some honor and integrity? You gotta be kidding. You’re the same guy who claimed a year ago that you had a photogenic memory and that you had memorized word for word every page of every book on the high school reading list. And that your teacher quizzed you on random passages from various books and you would tick her off by then reciting said passages word for word. What a load of crap. You were full of it then and you’re full of it now. And then fantastical Fred then told us about his genius math abilities. So what happened? B presented you with a math problem and rather than solve you just whined and called him names post after post. Eventually you just went away since it was clear you couldn’t back up your total BS. Fantastical Fred we called you that night.

You remind me of that 7 foot tall Texan who weighed 300 lbs and they couldnt fit him in a casket when he died. So they did an enema and afterwards he was 5 foot tall and 80 lbs. He was just like you fantastical Fred full of shyte!

Der-Meistersinger

November 8th, 2012
11:34 am

Your title is as misleading as your logic. Takers are not minorities by definition, and never have been. Takers are net receivers of government enforced redistribution. Makers are net contributors under the tax code. Do you deny, can you deny that an entitlement framework exists within specific sub-group classifications that historically vote (post 1964) for the Democratic Party platform? Attacking whites indirectly by tying them to O’Reilly’s viewpoints is merely moral subterfuge – I think they know why the GOP lost the election and I think they are prepared to assess the Party platform to determine which, if any, planks should be revised or replaced. As for your take on the “fading white establishment” let it fade. Conservative values do not need an ethnic moniker. They stand alone on their own merits and they work. You claim that each generation of Americans has the right to redefine freedom and opportunity – I agree with you if that definition remains within the framework of law. If on the other hand, the redefinition of freedom and opportunity is nothing more than to have the arbitrary freedom to seek the opportunity of revenge against your fellow citizens because of some perception of injustice (which by definition I believe is known as prejudice), I completely disagree.

Erwin's cat

November 8th, 2012
11:35 am

Bro @ 11:25
I don’t expect it will have any ill effect in Seattle…except maybe increased tax revenue ($10/pack of smokes as it is)….other than that it’ll be business as usual….it’s no wonder it’s a great foodie town :D

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:35 am

Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process

A great closing Jay and yet so many see adaptation and change as a failure. The only way this country will maintain its leadership status is to evolve, adapt and dream. Going forward and not looking backward.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:36 am

“did you see Karl Rove’s on camera meltdown on Election Night?”

as Jon Stewart said, that one will live on FOREVER.

DownInAlbany

November 8th, 2012
11:36 am

Who’s on Medicaid, the government-financed health care program that Romney/Ryan proposed to slash? Among the non-elderly, some 43 percent are white, 22 percent are black and 28 percent are Latino. And who’s on food stamps? According to the Census Bureau, 59 percent are white.

Never mind that whites make up 72% of the the population, blacks, 13%, huh? Spin, spin, spin. Like I said yesterday: there is no such thing as “unbiased media.”

Pete

November 8th, 2012
11:36 am

The GOP is in trouble as a national party. Women voted for Obama by 55-43, and we already know the percentage of votes Obama got from minorities. If the GOP became the party of fiscal responsibility and dropped the divisive, extreme social issues from their platform, they would have a chance to be the majoity party. But they’ve got to get rid of the crazies like Akin, Murdouck, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Donnell, Angle, Bachmann, Santorum, etc.etc.etc. Those people turn off a majority of the country with their hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic rhetoric. Even somebody like Ryan who is perceived as mainstream is against abortion even to save a woman’s life and in the case of pregnancy by rape. Contraception is criticized. These positions are outside of the mainstream and will not bring a majority of women into the party. Immigrants hear the hateful rhetoric about them. Black people hear themselves being called “takers.” Gays hear themselves being bashed at every turn. The GOP needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

getalife

November 8th, 2012
11:36 am

Jimmy Carter,

Yes, two gop thumpins by President Obama.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:37 am

Watch out Fred, Doomsy is about to lose it and melt down, just as he did last night. :lol: He’s not taking this election loss well at all.

Brosephus™

November 8th, 2012
11:37 am

DeborahinAthens @ 11:20
JHM @ 11:24

I can’t speak from your point of views, but I empathize with your positions 100%. Very well stated!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZRPNISLork

hewhoasks

November 8th, 2012
11:37 am

They live by the rules of fiction, not by the rules of non-fiction (reality.) Understand that and you understand a great deal.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 8th, 2012
11:38 am

“photogenic memory”

is it really pretty??

what’s its best side?

do you need to use filters or photoshop, or is it photogenic naturally???

Nero

November 8th, 2012
11:38 am

Jeremiah Wright coined it perfect. G**damn America! I don’t care anymore. Screw this country. It deserves everything it gets as it gradually picks up speed in it’s spiraling decent into obscurity. Rome is burning and nothing will change. I’m gonna sit back and laugh while it all crashes on top of your pointy heads. My only hope is it burns hot and slow. That way all you leeches and charlatans all suffer excruciatingly slow before the end. The fire should be exquisite. I’ll bring the marshmallows.

Lord Help Us

November 8th, 2012
11:38 am

‘a photogenic memory ‘

I want one of those…

Lord Help Us

November 8th, 2012
11:39 am

‘a photogenic memory ‘

I want one of those…I had a couple of beer goggle moments in college that a photogenic memory would really help with…

getalife

November 8th, 2012
11:40 am

The gop can’t self reflect because it is too ugly for them to look at and change.

They will continue to lose until they do.

Forget the gop and focus on our country and middle class.

Ashley Judd Touted as Sen. McConnell Challenger

November 8th, 2012
11:40 am

Movie star Ashley Judd is being touted by Democrats as a potential top challenger to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in 2014, but it’s unclear whether the Kentucky native is seriously considering a bid for public office.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/judd-mconnell-senate-2014/2012/11/08/id/463352

Patrick

November 8th, 2012
11:40 am

Thusla–

“You’re the same guy who claimed a year ago that you had a photogenic memory”

I’m pretty certain you meant “photographic” memory, but maybe you were just saying he had a beautiful mind! :)

Mary Elizabeth

November 8th, 2012
11:40 am

It is interesting that I just posted the following comments on Kyle Wingfield’s blog which are also pertinent to the content of this thread.
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” ‘Republicans have to explain why conservative ideas are good for minorities. . .It will take more than talking, though. It will take action.’
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I believe that, besides explaining and passing laws that are beneficial to minorites, Republicans must look inside themselves and become more reflective regarding their true perceptions of minorities, in order to win minorities to their political party. Republicans must (as a group) begin to see minorities through different eyes, imo. Minorities are very aware of the unspoken perceptions of others toward them.

Republicans, in other words, must begin to see minorities with more of an egalitarian heart and mind, than they have demonstrated that they have seen minorities in the past, in order to increase the numbers of minorities who will join their political party.”

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Becoming more reflective would help conservatives of the South and West also to realize that not only are seniors the beneficiaries of government programs such as VA benefits, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid (of which they point the finger to minorities) but that the entire populations of Red states, composed of people of all ages and ethnic groups, receive more government entitlements for their populations, than do the populations of the more liberal Blue states. Perhaps the cynicism against government programs in the South and West stems from self-dislike projected to others. The solution, then, is neither to judge oneself nor others harshly, as well as to realize that we are all in this “American experiment” together. It is better that we pool our resources for the benefit of all than that we waste energy and time pointing the finger to others regarding their selfishness.

NOTE ASIDE: The choice of Barack Obama for a second term as President of the U.S. has had an impact on this nation for generations that few of us have yet realized. Civil rights, women’s rights including reproduction rights and wages, possibly gay rights, middle class growth and viability, lower class programs for inclusion into the middle class, education and prison programs, safety net programs, energy and global warming programs, Supreme Court Justices, deficit reduction that is accomplished in a sound, prudent way over time, the continuation of universal health care for all, the U.S. as a leader on the world’s stage through diplomacy more than through dominance, and an egalitarian vision of others instead of a hierarchial one for humanity were all on the line in this election – as well as many other issues not listed here – had President Obama not been re-elected. He was voted into the presidency 4 years ago immediately following a financial collapse that few had anticipated. He was voted into re-election immediately following a Perfect Storm hurricane that few could foresee coming. Oh, the mysteries of life and destiny. All who can see, will see.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:40 am

Well we see Nero is a “real” american. :roll:

Paul

November 8th, 2012
11:41 am

Sad. Just goes to show how a person who’s educated, who touts his education and teaching of American history, can look at current situations and arrive at such unsupported conclusions.

Just once on Fox I’d like to hear a commentator say ‘it’s white seniors who get more free stuff than anyone. It’s the top 1% who get more free stuff than any welfare mom with five kids ever did.” Of course, the only data-driven response Fox would hear from its audience is “get rid of that guy promoting class warfare.”

All this tell me is the Republican Party will not be establishing a new business model anytime soon. They’ll continue to lose nationally to Democrats.

getalife

November 8th, 2012
11:41 am

nero,

Self deport con.

Divide and Conquer

November 8th, 2012
11:42 am

Deborah in Athens,

I agree with every word above, including Hillary being the first woman president. That is, unless the GOP can produce a real smoking gun from Libya. I dumped the GOP after GW’s election. I did vote for him once. My bad.

That being said, as an independent, it is not minorities that are the takers it’s the Democrats and RINO’s that are the takers. The masters of the GOP have just been much more efficient. The worst of the bunch, however, are the younger members of our society. They are the ones are the most entitlement minded. It’s one thing for people who have worked their whole lives to be demanding what they were promised, it’s another for some snot-nosed college kid to be demanding crap he/she has not earned.

Republicans need to do 3 things beside being actually fiscally conservative:
lifted from reason.com
1.Welcome immigrants
2.End the stupid drug war.
3 Get out of the dang bedroom.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:42 am

I am sure when Doomsy said photogenic, he was “just kidding”. Can’t you tell? :roll:

Fred ™

November 8th, 2012
11:42 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 8th, 2012
11:37 am

Watch out Fred, Doomsy is about to lose it and melt down, just as he did last night. :lol: He’s not taking this election loss well at all.
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Is he? I wouldn’t know, I put his lying ass on ignore when he showed his stupidity on the Charter school thing. It’s one thing to be ignorant on a subject, we all are ignorant about something, but he showed stupidity in his refusal to educate himself when presented with facts. I have no time for stupid people who have neither honor nor integrity. He can type all he wants, I’ll just be scrolling by it as he has nothing lucid or sane to add to any conversation.