The GOP’s self-defeating image of minorities as ‘takers’
I’m seeing and hearing a lot of this kind of thing, on this blog and elsewhere, as Republicans attempt to come to grips with Tuesday’s election defeat and try to seek explanations for why they lost.
For those unable to watch video, here’s what O’Reilly had to say on Election Night, as it was becoming apparent that it would be a bad night for Republicans:
“The white establishment is now the minority. And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama’s way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”
In one sense, you can understand why that kind of rationalization would be appealing. In effect, O’Reilly is telling his listeners that “We lost by being better than they are. It’s not our fault and there’s nothing we can or should change.” He applies the powerful salve of moral superiority to a open wound, and by doing so he makes people feel better. People like to feel better, so they’ll come back to Fox for more.
But O’Reilly’s wrong. He’s wrong as a matter of politics, he’s wrong as a matter of morality, and he’s wrong as a matter of history. His listeners are equally wrong to believe him. To the degree that they continue to do so, they are likely to experience more tough election nights in the years to come.
Think about it. While older white voters might find O’Reilly’s message reassuring, imagine that you’re black (93 percent for Obama), or Latino-American (71 percent for Obama), or Asian-American (73 percent for Obama). Imagine that you’re flipping through the news coverage on Election Night and you hear O’Reilly make those comments. How do they come across?
They come across as condescending and even racist, because they ARE condescending and racist. The comments equate the fading “white establishment” with all that is good and great in this country, while the rising minority tide is treated as “takers,” as leeches.
It’s not a complicated thing. Hearing that kind of argument, the natural reaction of almost any non-white listener will be to reject the political party from which such sentiments are emanating, regardless of what other affinities you might have with it. Because you and your parents and your cousins and your friends are being insulted.
But is O’Reilly’s formulation nonetheless accurate? Not even close.
To use his term, it was “the white establishment” that created Social Security, and it did so largely for white people, because that’s who dominated this country at the time. It was the white establishment that created Medicare, and it did so largely for white people, because again, that’s who dominated the country at that time. More recently, the white establishment, in the form of President George W. Bush and a Republican Congress, created Medicare Part D.
Who’s on Medicaid, the government-financed health care program that Romney/Ryan proposed to slash? Among the non-elderly, some 43 percent are white, 22 percent are black and 28 percent are Latino. And who’s on food stamps? According to the Census Bureau, 59 percent are white.
And if you really want to get down to it, we can do so.
U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan campaigns at The Villages retirement community in Florida, promising to protect "free stuff" for senior citizens.
When Paul Ryan campaigned in the massive Villages retirement community in central Florida this year, promising to restore the $716 billion in “free stuff” that Obama had cut from Medicare, he wasn’t pitching those remarks to retired black school-bus drivers. He was pitching them to white Americans over 65, 61 percent of whom ended up voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket.
Because let’s be blunt. No demographic group in the country gets more “free stuff” from the government than its senior citizens. In fact, seniors make up roughly half of that infamous “47 percent” who pay no federal income taxes. And a lot of them sat there Tuesday night, watching on Fox and shaking their heads in agreement with O’Reilly.
One final point:
The 2012 exit polls offer further evidence to rebut the notion that Obama’s coalition is motivated largely by the demand for “free stuff.”
For example:
– The 65 percent of Americans who believe that illegal immigrants ought to be given a chance to become U.S. citizens voted for Obama by a 24-point margin. These are people drawn to this country by the opportunity to work to make things better for themselves and their children, and the Obama coalition respects them for it.
– The 49 percent of Americans who believe that gay marriage should be legal voted for Obama by a 48-point margin. (The 46 percent who believe it should be banned voted for Romney by a similar margin.) Younger Americans in particular define that as a basic civil right, and voters in four states confirmed that belief Tuesday.
– The 59 percent of Americans who believe that abortion ought to be legal — that such an issue is up to the individual, rather than government bureaucrats — voted for Obama by a 36-point margin.
That’s not “free stuff.” That’s freedom and opportunity, even if the definitions of freedom and opportunity might differ from those of earlier generations of Americans. That’s how it ought to be. Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process.
– Jay Bookman
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RF
November 8th, 2012
6:43 pm
I was reading earlier over on Kyle’s insane blog and he’s already pushing that the Republican party not change it’s platform or stance. The undoing of the party is in full swing if they’re going to stay so far to the right. The best they’ll likely do is try to trot out another Herman Cain to say “see we’re diverse!”
And judging from some of the drivel here, apparently they’re all in agreement about it. Sad because once upon a time I was politically moderate and voted Republican often. Not anymore I’ll promise you that!!
RF
November 8th, 2012
6:46 pm
“Now, they are shaken to their fundamentalist roots, engaging in frenetic bouts of mental gymnanstics and convoluted thinking in order to get their house of faith off the shifting sands of doubt and back on the rock of certainty”
Well, I never thought I’d say this… but I have to agree with you there, indigo. Evidently you’re not a card-carrying member of the Blind Faith club that has taken the Republican party to this sad state. Must say I’m impressed!
F. Sinkwich
November 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
“RIP Andy.”
Hi, Jammie. Do mean me?
I’ve been referred to as Fish Sandwich, Stinkwich, Stinky, Stinkiewich, Frank, Fishy, and other terms of endearment.
I understand the root all of those derivations. Not so with “Andy.”
Puzzling…
josef
November 8th, 2012
6:49 pm
Nyanh…Sinkwich is no Andy. At least ever once in a while Andy said something witty…and could always come up with something novel…
liberal hack
November 8th, 2012
6:51 pm
RF, would you vote Republican if they were true fiscal conservatives but dabbled less in social issues?
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
6:52 pm
NoCom
The article has a few responses on there, and it sounds like the Australians gave her the business. I kinda feel bad for her as she has been embarassed worldwide for her lack of knowledge of world events.
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Yeah, but us Southerners are statistically verifiably way ahead of our Northern kin where it really matters, right SoCoBro?
Yep!!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 8th, 2012
6:53 pm
Conservative talk radio host Neal Boortz unleashed an astounding array of attacks on President Obama on Thursday, likening him to figures such as Adolf Hitler and serial killer Ted Bundy, as well as terrorist groups Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Sharia.
Boortz, whose Atlanta radio show is nationally syndicated, was addressing a commentary by Herman Cain, in which the former Republican presidential candidate congratulated Obama on his reelection. Boortz replied: “OK, Herman Cain, that’s BS.”
Always the classy one that Boortz.
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
‘the 65%’ including you jay do not respect the law of our land and disrespect every person who is coming here legally…..you are on the wrong side of this morally…..i feel the illegals pain, but morally they should respect the laws of the land they wish to enter instead of breaking them as their first act to enter this country…..typical liberal ignoring actual sovereignty law
the ‘59%’ that believe it should be up to the individual to decide if they want to kill their baby after they chose to engage in the act where it was conceived…….morally, enough said my friend
the ‘49%’ have always been able to do what they want, but don’t expect that viewpoint to be shoved down my throat when i choose to promote traditional marriage…..morally i have just as much right to my opinion as you and listening to you claiming the moral authority is something you will only have to square with your god…….
RIP USA 1776-2012
when you have a media and dem party that lies every day about someone and attacks their character every day and you have a nation full of people who lack the ability to define what is lie and what is not……i give you the socialist democratic party of the united states led by barrack obama……saul alinsky would be proud of your ilk jay…..your ideology will be held accountable at some point in the future for what has happened the last for years and what is about to happen via the radical leftist dem party……
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
6:56 pm
A so-called “true” fiscal conservative would utilize “true” math in their analyses. This is in contrast to our present-day Republican’s use of a faith-based math, a math that simply requires faith in whatever answer they happen to need from any given equation. 2+2=3, for example is perfectly valid in Republican faith-based math so long as you have faith in the answer.
Mick
November 8th, 2012
6:57 pm
sink
I’m with josef, sink has his own signature – mostly wrong and pessimistic. It’s a tough responsibility; he wears it well…
RF
November 8th, 2012
6:57 pm
@liberal hack: I rarely vote party tickets anyway, but I would definitely consider a fiscal conservative with moderate social stances. Back in ‘08, I actually thought Romney, based on his record as governor, would have been a far better candidate that McCain if he had been allowed to run as a moderate. He might have won, in my opinion, even this year if he hadn’t had to pull so far right to get the primaries. I generally prefer moderates across the board in either party. Obama, despite the conservative media assertions otherwise, is actually a moderate. I never have voted further left than Clinton and probably never will.
getalife
November 8th, 2012
6:57 pm
cons think America dies this year.
They have meds for that bilbob.
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
6:58 pm
“RIP USA 1776-2012″
Pretty lively corpse that USA
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
6:59 pm
jay,
one of obama’s last rally’s involved jay z who performed a song that inclused the word ho and bitches numerous times and he decided to put romney’s name in instead of the bitches words…..at a presidential rally obama was actually condoning a performance that ridiculed woman as ho’s and bitches…..please expound on the moral authority here please…….
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
6:59 pm
when you have a media and dem party that lies every day about someone and attacks their character every day and you have a nation full of people who lack the ability to define what is lie and what is not……
So what do you get when you have conservative media and a GOP party that lies everyday about someone and attacks their character, religion, and family every day and you have a nation full of people who lack the ability to define what is a lie and what is not?
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:00 pm
“Always the classy one that Boortz”
Well, at least he’s consistent…crazy, but consistent. I wonder how long the party leadership will cowtow to these guys. Do you think there’s a chance they’ll quit letting the folks like Boortz and Hannity and Limbaugh dictate policy?
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
7:01 pm
long live the united socialist states of america libs……you made it happen, nice work
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:01 pm
billybob
The truth is obama ran a smarter campaign and outhustled romney. They systematically targeted their base and got them out. It’s a numbers game and democrats far outnumber republicans. Turnout and new registration was the key and they were smarter than romney – think about that. I want the smartest organization running the gov’t, not second best. Read and analyze-
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss
F. Sinkwich
November 8th, 2012
7:01 pm
Gotta luv them lib ilks. From CBS NY:
“Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s food police have struck again! Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer. Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters.”
Moochelle will ensure this lunacy is propagated nationwide. Count on it.
But hey, the moonbats have taken over this once great country, so that’s the way it is as Uncle Walter used to say.
RIP USA
getalife
November 8th, 2012
7:03 pm
RIP USA.
There is your sign.
Still delusional and refused the meds filky.
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:05 pm
Why do I have the feeling that Billbob is having a hard time coping with losing?
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
sink
When I’m out in tahoe next month, I’ll be very thankful I live in the USA, but then,
I’m even thankful for another sunrise…
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
brocephus,
want some free stuff that i have decided to take from jay and redistribute it……republicans are by far more civic minded than dem voters and actually look at facts instead of believing the vp who states that republicana are gonna put ya’ll back in chains and the republicans are gonna take women and gays and minorities back 50 years to the days of jim crow……many democrat voters actually believed that even though it is blatantly disgustingly dishonest……….kind of like if it was a republican in the white house and he claimed a video caused our ambassador to be killed, conservatives would not accept that and demand answers, but libs like you sweep it under the rug…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 8th, 2012
7:07 pm
Do you think there’s a chance they’ll quit letting the folks like Boortz and Hannity and Limbaugh dictate policy?
It is so much more than policy. These are the people that created, honed and polished the language of political debate. It is that language where ideas are born and nurtured. Right now that nursery is churning out some little hellions. It is only when we adapt a new language that conservatives and liberals can begin to work together.
josef
November 8th, 2012
7:07 pm
DOGGONE
“Pretty lively corpse that USA”
I wish I’d said that! Good one.
Bitsa
November 8th, 2012
7:07 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha… O’Reilly is likening Obama’s campaign message to something like “get a free toaster with every vote!” … just like in ancient (& more comfortable for him I guess) “white establishment” times when you got one for opening a bank account! That would all be just tooooo effin funny, except for how easy he finds it to dismiss the real concerns of real people & degrade the intellectual & moral capacity of absolutely everyone who didn’t vote for his “more established” politician!
Georgia
November 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
You know, the women really did give it to the Right. I mean, Rove and Fox News truly were set up by the women. They really did think they were gonna win, because all the single, sexually active women were polling early that they had gone full sugar daddy. I was told many times by these same type of women that I was their one and only. I know how conservatives feel. I asked Ms. Coulter, “You gonna make ‘em pay, Ann?”
Oh, is she gonna make em pay………she’s writing a new book as we speak, “Muffed”, but that’s only a working title.
Ronald Reagan Parkway
November 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
。☆ 。☆。☆
★。＼｜／。★
Obama 4 MORE
–Deal with it TroIIs–
★。／｜＼。★
。☆。 。☆。
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:09 pm
“republicans are by far more civic minded than dem voters ”
Unless you’re part of that now infamous “47%” in which case you’re on your own. That about right? They don’t even want you voting. How “civic minded” is that?
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:09 pm
Thanks Josef!
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
7:09 pm
mick,
congrats you have the smartest radical leftist democrat party led by a redistributionist socialist in the white house who has nationalised car companies, healthcare, student loans and who is in the process of bringing down the capitalist economic system based on what he deems as fairness……way to think that one through…..
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:10 pm
“It is only when we adapt a new language that conservatives and liberals can begin to work together”
Nah, all we gotta do is drop the McCarthy inspired dialogue and tone down the “socialist” and “communist” litany. Fat chance of that any time soon, IMO.
liberal hack
November 8th, 2012
7:11 pm
@Taxpayer, I’d like to think that I am, you are correct that some conservative use fuzzy math..
@rf I think most Americans would be fine w/ a fiscal conservative but socially moderate….
I personally have very Christian views on abortion, gay marriage, ect..but I don’t think it’s gov’ts job to legislate that. I don’t feel my marraige is threatened if two dudes get married. I only want to be able to teach my children my biblical values and I don’t want my church to have to marry two dudes if my pastor opposes doing such, which my church would…..but I don’t see a problem w/ gays being allowed to marry….I don’t want to see abortion banned, but I don’t want to pay for it directly or indirectly for someone else to have one if they choose, I’m okay with limiting how late an abortion is done and I’m completely okay w/ ensuring abortion providers are legitimately educated practicing doctors…..just my take…..I personally would try to sway a female who was thinking of getting one to consider adoption but I wouldn’t make it law….
I want to see a gov’t that spends wisely and stays within budget…I also don’t feel comfortable with a federal gov’t as large as it is, it is somewhere around 20-25% of total GDP I think….it should remain around 12.5-15% of GDP unless there is a true national emergency….
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:12 pm
“except for how easy he finds it to dismiss the real concerns of real people & degrade the intellectual & moral capacity of absolutely everyone who didn’t vote for his “more established” politician”
Well…it’s easy to deride what you don’t have and don’t understand.
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:13 pm
“congrats you have the smartest radical leftist democrat party led by a redistributionist socialist in the white house who has nationalised car companies, healthcare, student loans and who is in the process of bringing down the capitalist economic system based on what he deems as fairness”
Kam: see what I mean? Right out of the 50’s and just as stupid now as then…doomed to repeat history, I guess.
Skip
November 8th, 2012
7:14 pm
It’s not right that Jay is the only one to know who the sock puppets are.
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:15 pm
If you truly believe in capitalism, then you would admit obama is inconsequential. Case in point: If you can sell one of your possessions and make a profit, what on god’s green earth does the potus have to do with it? Taxes you say? So what, it’s found money. Same goes for business, would you turn down a sure thing because of who’s president? If so, china might be the place for you – cheap labor…
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:15 pm
@liberal hack 7:11- very, very good post!!! You’d get my vote if you were running! Morality cannot be legislatively forced and that is not the role of government.
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
7:15 pm
rf,
typical democrat who is clueless, nobody wants to keep people from voting and obama did get overwhelming support from people who want the guv’t to give them stuff…..thanks for proving my point……
fyi,
i accept the results, but it doesn’t change the fact that americans elected a socialist who has already practiced central gov’t planning from the white house, someone who has admitted he supports redistribution and someone who is anti-ccapitalist who has traveled this country for 4 years attacking business and the private sector…..enjoy the ramifications of that libs, me thinks you will realize the err of your vote at some time in the future……or either you will just keep blaming bush or someone else that you can convince people that caused the problems coming
F. Sinkwich
November 8th, 2012
7:15 pm
“at a presidential rally obama was actually condoning a performance that ridiculed woman as ho’s and bitches…”
It’s what they do. Nothing is beneath a lib ilk.
They accused Mitt, the ultimate Boy Scout, of causing a women’s cancer and celebrating her subsequent death as simply a price of doing business.
Pathetic.
saywhat?
November 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
For anybody who doesn’t want to read the Kyle Wingfield’s latest effort in its entirety, here is the shorter version:
The election results show that the Republican Party needs to change in only one way. It needs to reach out more to non-white voters, and convince THEM to change.
josef
November 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
Skip
Yeah, true, but it is entertaining to speculate on who’s who…
F. Sinkwich
November 8th, 2012
7:17 pm
I forgot “filky.”
Krystal'sBalls
November 8th, 2012
7:18 pm
I mean.. .the anger is truly insane. I just rode in listening to Mark Levin on Sirus XM. He makes Boortz look like a choir boy.
Again…THIS is the big problem with the GOP. Please hear me GOPers. Most sane people do not label you a racist simply because you are a Republican/Conservative! The point that we try to make to you is that AS A REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE, YOU SIT IDLY BY WHILE THE BOMBASTIC WHO SPEAK LOUDLY FOR THE GOP/CONSERVATIVE CAUSE (like Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, Levin, et al) soak you with propaganda all rolled up in racist context – subtle and not so subtle, THEN you parrot the same to the rest of the sane world. It makes you complicit because you in effect condone the attitude and language. It really is that simple, but you seem to confuse things.
josef
November 8th, 2012
7:18 pm
RF
I was thinking much the same thing…
saywhat?
November 8th, 2012
7:18 pm
“at a presidential rally obama was actually condoning a performance that ridiculed woman as ho’s and bitches…”
___________________________________________________________________________
When did Rush Limbaugh hold a campaign rally for Romney, and why was President Obama there?
liberal hack
November 8th, 2012
7:19 pm
‘preciate that RF! but I don’t think little ole me from Grovetown GA is gonna get elected to President anytime ever….but I sure wish some common sense would come into play when a candidate is picked in the primary……
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:19 pm
billybob
Thanks for the gracious compliments….yes, I’m proud of chevy, have a silverado, runs great. You know what? I’m glad those jobs were saved. All those employees support their local businesses and everyone gains. If thats the price, america can damn well afford it, we are not just the worlds best killing machine…
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:20 pm
“someone who has admitted he supports redistribution and someone who is anti-ccapitalist”
Oh PLEASE prove that!! It is absolutely ridiculous to accuse him of being anti-capitalist. You’re tooooo funny!!!!
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
7:20 pm
Billybob
Bless your heart. I don’t want anything free, nor do I want anything from you. I’m pretty well capable of working and earning my own way. I’ve been doing that for 22 years now, and I think I have it down pretty well.
As to putting me back in chains, you and any other Republican would stand a much better chance at defeating Mike Tyson in boxing. It’s obvious that very few of y’all conservatives understand what a metaphor is or how to use it. Both campaigns used blatantly dishonest language, but partisans like you only focus on one side and never call out your own for being dishonest.
If it were a Republican in office and an ambassador was killed, the country would have not gone bat shiite crazy with all kinds of conspiracy theories hours after it happened. I recall a few embassies being attacked under George Bush, and I don’t recall all kinds of crap being thrown at him like the crap that was thrown at Obama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_embassy_attacks
You so-called patriotic Americans are nothing but a joke. A true patriot will fight regardless of the conditions instead of coming here posting that RIP garbage. Maybe this election was God telling you to get your head out of the echo chamber and join the rest of the country. Think about that one for a while. By any stretch of the imagination, Obama should have lost this election. However, he racked up over 300 EV’s when every indicator says he should have been easily beaten.
Billybob
November 8th, 2012
7:21 pm
rf,
everything you copied at 7:13 has been actually done or actually said by obama…….if you choose not to hear it that is your problem, but i choose not to ignore it and all you do is call me stupid which is lib 101…..
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
7:22 pm
The election results show that the Republican Party needs to change in only one way. It needs to reach out more to non-white voters, and convince THEM to change.
I suppose they could strap folks to chairs and tape their eyes open and force them to watch and listen to Faux News until they are dumbed down to the level of the average long-term Faux News viewer.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
7:23 pm
Boortz isn’t crazy. Unless one means crazy like a well-paid welfare king fox.
He is depraved. A disgusting little man who is adored by………………… disgusting little men.
Andy, don’t be coy. You UGA Young Republicans (LOL!) are all pinko obsessed and Commie crazy…
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
Ah, I see billybob, make the accusations and then say “but you KNOW it’s true.” No, actually I don’t, as I don’t ascribe to the hive mind dictated by Rush and Hannity. I don’t accept it because they say it’s so. Again, got proof???
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
Republicans prayed and God answered. Accept God’s answer, Republicans.
bob
November 8th, 2012
7:26 pm
Taxpayer, you can bash the right for being bad at math but tell me how we can add a half a million a year to Social Security disability, cut the SS tax, add millions to welfare and pay a one trillion dollar a year debt by raising the tax rate back to that under Clinton that will generate 90 Billion a year ? Something does not add up, can you fill me in ? And will anyone bet me that after in four years the poor will be poorer and the rich will be richer ? Hope and change sounds good on paper but in reality Chicago, a city with no repub influence has 87% of public school children living in poverty ? A recent report was issued that showed that 67% of Chicago pub school cafeterias failed health inspections. Chicago, like many other democrat hotbeds graduate half of it’s public school students. The left can whine but the above statement is true, in four years, the poor will be poorer, the rich will be richer and the country will have more debt and the left will blame repubs and the Bush tax cuts. By the way, why does Obama bash the rich for not paying their fair share but campaigns with Bruce Springstein, a one percenter that takes tax breaks put in place for farmers, isn’t that the kind of greed we do not like or is it okay when a lberal does it ?
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:26 pm
The Obama Crash in the stock market continues; any young American who voted for Obama deserves the reprecussions they will receive as a result of their decision. A truly sad turn of events for this once proud Republic…..
Obama won, now what?
November 8th, 2012
7:26 pm
We on this blog should be so happy that we live in the great state of Ga. The only way it can get better is that we wouldn’t have state taxes. General Assembly is close to a “super majority” with an independent today planning to move to the Republican side.
As we all know, politics is really at the state level. Whether Obama or Romney, they are just figure heads. The Fed Gov should really be out of lives except for protection from Islamic nut cases!
josef
November 8th, 2012
7:27 pm
TAXI
@ 7:24
Well, there is that…
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
7:27 pm
Mitt who. Are y’all talking about the tax cheat Mitt Romney again. He’s such a loser.
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:28 pm
billybob: didn’t call you stupid, I called the wording of that post, a la Sen. McCarthy stupid…and WAY outdated. I think you are actually at least fairly educated. Deluded by partisan politics perhaps, but I frankly don’t know that much about you. You’re allowed your point of view, but if you’re going to throw “socialist, communist, and anti-captialist” into the discussion, you’re gonna have to take the heat for it on an obviously fairly liberal blog. HELLLLLOOOOO.
Obama won, now what?
November 8th, 2012
7:29 pm
Taxpayer, you are funny with that religious reference!
So does that mean Dems prayed to Allah and he answered?
liberal hack
November 8th, 2012
7:29 pm
billy bob may be talking about this….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
7:30 pm
The DOW is down about six percent from its high. You folks need to get serious with the panic selling so I can get some more good deals. This sell off of the last two days is pitiful. That Corzine fella caused a much better buying opportunity that this.
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:31 pm
BTW Jaybo, you are dead wrong about O’Reilly’s statements, he was spot on….
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:31 pm
“So does that mean Dems prayed to Allah and he answered?”
You do know that “allah” just means “god” don’t you? And remember God ALWAYS answers prayers.
But the answer it not always yes.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 8th, 2012
7:31 pm
Well, on the way home I blew a kiss at a couple Mexicans and one of Those People. So I done my part to get the Republican party back on track. I just hope nobody thinks I’m Gay. There’s some things nobody should be asked to do to win the next election.
Karl Rove: Obama Won 'By Suppressing The Vote'
November 8th, 2012
7:33 pm
Mitt Romney lost the election because President Barack Obama engaged in voter suppression, according to Republican political strategist Karl Rove.
“He succeeded by suppressing the vote,” Rove said in an interview on Fox News with anchor Megyn Kelly on Thursday afternoon, “by saying to people, ‘You may not like who I am and I know you can’t bring yourself to vote for me, but I’m going to paint this other guy as simply a rich guy who only cares about himself.’”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/karl-rove-obama-suppressing-vote_n_2094459.html
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:34 pm
“There’s some things nobody should be asked to do to win the next election”
well, you know what they say….once you go gay, you stay… and have a much better sense of fashion and throw some wonderful parties.
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:34 pm
Taxpayer….I plan to take advantage of the Obama reality reaction in the market, war on business for another for years but with that will come numerous equity opportunities…
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:34 pm
Once upon a time, america’s top tax rate for millionaires was 90%. It was the 50’s and 60’s, I lived there and the wealth was redistributed magnificently. Never heard much complaints about taxes, just a war nobody understood or wanted…
Krystal'sBalls
November 8th, 2012
7:35 pm
Dichotomy: The most ardent pro-lifers could present the argument that their stance actually promotes bringing more “minorities” into the world.
-However-
Once said minority is IN the world, their chances of being in the “taker”/”moocher”/”parasite”/”non-producer” class is much greater than their not being. We know the pro-lifer do not desire “wealth redistribution”. Thus, they have to suffer the ridicule (and wrath) of the larger society, specifically lack of education and the ever powerful draw of the MILITARY AND PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES. Gotta keep the prisons full and the warriors on the front lines!
So then… a critical thinker is somewhat obligated to juxtapose that against the fact that these same individuals and groups just SO HAPPEN to be the same whose demographic numbers are dwindling. Is it far fetched to believe that the reason “minority” abortions are documented more because they are more likely to obtain the service through publicly funded medical establishments rather than private ones? Does outlawing abortion FORCE more women in the “majority” demographic who are more likely to have them done through PRIVATE entities to bear their children and keep the numbers up? Just points to ponder…
Krystal'sBalls
November 8th, 2012
7:36 pm
@Karl Rove: Obama Won ‘By Suppressing The Vote’
November 8th, 2012
7:33 pm
I heard those clips on the radio. HIlarious!
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
7:37 pm
So does that mean Dems prayed to Allah and he answered?
I don’t know. The Dems have not been so vocal regarding their beliefs about God and Obama as Republicans have been. If you would like to share videos, we could go from there.
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:37 pm
Mick….a different time and a different place which is no longer applicable
Georgia
November 8th, 2012
7:39 pm
Romney was a lousy candidate. All he had was Debate1. and who was cutting his hair? . He looked a little like Alfalfa, didn’t he? Think about it. There was an Alfalfa factor in the election.
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:41 pm
“Mick….a different time and a different place which is no longer applicable”
but I thought the Republicans want to take our country back
Krystal'sBalls
November 8th, 2012
7:42 pm
This needs to be said.
3 MILLION CONSERVATIVES STAYED HOME BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THEIR PRINCIPLES WERE MORE IMPORTANT THAN DEFEATING OBAMA.
THEY RECOGNIZED MITT ROMNEY AS THE PHONY THAT HE IS.
It became obvious to me when so-called Evangelical church leaders starting pushing for this man EVEN THOUGH their religious beliefs deems his religion a CULT (and I am not saying I personally view his religion in this manner because I don’t).
As the old grannies used to say back in the day: “Somethin’ in the milk ain’t clean!”
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:43 pm
**a different time and a different place which is no longer applicable**
Why not? Who’s asking to go back to 90%? We’re asking for four points and the republicans are all aghast, still. Your guy lost and the one who wanted the increase won – the majority of americans say – pay up…
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:43 pm
Yes…let’s elect a president on coolness, geez we are so doomed as a society
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
7:47 pm
billiebobbi is full.
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:47 pm
“geez we are so doomed as a society”
I agree. This election has helped make it clear that the society YOU would like to have IS doomed.
RF
November 8th, 2012
7:48 pm
“Yes…let’s elect a president on coolness, geez we are so doomed as a society”
vs. what, electing a president who flips, flops, and says whatever will get him a vote? A man who can’t even articulate a sensible tax plan, a man who can’t even remember what he’s said “I don’t remember what I said, but whatever it was, I stand behind it…”, a man who believes 47% of the electorate are moochers (including active servicemen and women), a man who espouses “self-deportation”, a man who would sign a personhood amendment, a man who railed against the Affordable Care Act while having created the very plan on which it was modeled? Yeah, that’s a way to elect a president. I’ll stick with “cool”….
bob
November 8th, 2012
7:49 pm
Mick, you are clueless. The rate was high but the deductions were higher. Any rich guy with a good accountant did not pay those rates. In the late sixties congress held hearings that showed the wealthiest sometimes paid zero in taxes, let alone the 90% you mention. If you can, tell me why congress passed the alternative minimum tax ? They did it because the rich didn’t pay the 90%, if they did then we would not have needed a new tax law. And if redistribution was so magnificent then why did we have things like the Watts riots ? Why did Johnson start welfare if redistribution was so magnificent in the fifties and sixties ? Why was poverty so rampant that we needed a war on poverty ? Were those poor people that lived in squalor under democrat rule rioting because of the magnificent redistribution of wealth ? You were right about the wars nobody wanted, democrats gave us a war in Korea that we are still paying for on a credit card and the war in Vietnam paid for with the now extinct Social Security trust fund.
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
7:50 pm
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you support republicans .
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:50 pm
“a man who espouses “self-deportation”"
Which was originated as a JOKE, by a comedian
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:51 pm
I do not have a fundamental problem with the increase, I do have a problem with where the additional funds will go. The tax increases that will be forthcoming now that Obamacare is here to stay will make for a very shakey 2013 but then again the country will get what it deserves. The debt will double over the next four years and we will soon be Greece Jr…..a very sad time for our once great Republic
liberal hack
November 8th, 2012
7:52 pm
Mick, when the tax rates were that high in the 50’s, there were upteen hundred more deductions you could take, a millionaire never had an effective rate of 90% when it was all said and done…..
that little bit on it’s just four percent, look at it this way…if a small business made 500,000 in total revenue and had to pay 4% more that total would be an extra 20,000 to the federal gov’t….that 20,000 could have gone into savings to potentially be used to grow his business or he could’ve used it to give raises to his employees, instead you want it to go to the federal gov’t which really doesn’t know how to spend wisely…. just a different perspective to think about….
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
7:53 pm
Fair share.
Get Real
November 8th, 2012
7:54 pm
RF….you richly deserve everything coming your way….good luck
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
7:56 pm
You want fair taxes, well let’s have fair income while we’re at it.
indigo
November 8th, 2012
7:56 pm
josef – 6:43
Logic and reason do NOT rest either on Christian or any other religious faith.
pete
November 8th, 2012
7:57 pm
Hmmm…more than 2 weeks now, and still have folks in the northeast without power and heat.
But…but…but…George Bush blah blah blah.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
7:58 pm
Forget Morphin’ Mitt and Lyin’ Ryan.
I told you Republirubes many months ago that based on that second straight laughable slate of losers, that whoever won the GOP’s nomination was going to be just another footnote in Barry’s biography.
It was the overall decimation of the lunatic fringe that was most satisfying.
Top five reasons to celebrate this election:
1) Joseph McCarthy’s insane nephew, Alan West got kicked to the curb in Florida.
2) The deadbeat dad from Illinois lost to the first female combat veteran ever elected to the US Congress! Go Tammy Duckworth!!!
3) A second female combat veteran – Tulsi Gabbard – made history when she shocked the Hawaiian political establishment and won election to the US Congress!!!
4) That miserable moron from Missouri – Todd Akin – was politically raped and sent home.
5) His loutish pal in Indiana – Richard Mourdock suffered a similar fate for a similar insane position.
Rock on, America!
We kicked the Uncle Sam haters right in the balls!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZQwKVspiMA
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 8th, 2012
7:58 pm
Yes…let’s elect a president on coolness
Yawn.
No different than people voting for a man because he is someone that they could have a beer with.
Doggone/GA
November 8th, 2012
7:59 pm
“Logic and reason do NOT rest either on Christian or any other religious faith”
Not all faith is religious
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 8th, 2012
7:59 pm
But…but…but…
George BushJimmy Carter blah blah blah.Get Real
November 8th, 2012
8:00 pm
Jammie, just like RF, you deserve evrything coming your way..
josef
November 8th, 2012
8:00 pm
Okay, just remember, a song will help you along the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TDqvD34hEA
Rockerbabe
November 8th, 2012
8:01 pm
I did something today, I haven’t done in quite awhile. I attempted to listen to Boortz and Hannity for a short while as I was driving from one clinic to another. Their pity party was just too much to take and I had to turn to another station after about 15 minutes. They were using all of the same comments about takers and makers, etc. The very same verbage that turned so many voters off this election season. What a shame; the GOP could be part of a great reniassance in this country, but they just refuse to let others help with making the future brighter for everyone.