The GOP’s self-defeating image of minorities as ‘takers’
I’m seeing and hearing a lot of this kind of thing, on this blog and elsewhere, as Republicans attempt to come to grips with Tuesday’s election defeat and try to seek explanations for why they lost.
For those unable to watch video, here’s what O’Reilly had to say on Election Night, as it was becoming apparent that it would be a bad night for Republicans:
“The white establishment is now the minority. And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama’s way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”
In one sense, you can understand why that kind of rationalization would be appealing. In effect, O’Reilly is telling his listeners that “We lost by being better than they are. It’s not our fault and there’s nothing we can or should change.” He applies the powerful salve of moral superiority to a open wound, and by doing so he makes people feel better. People like to feel better, so they’ll come back to Fox for more.
But O’Reilly’s wrong. He’s wrong as a matter of politics, he’s wrong as a matter of morality, and he’s wrong as a matter of history. His listeners are equally wrong to believe him. To the degree that they continue to do so, they are likely to experience more tough election nights in the years to come.
Think about it. While older white voters might find O’Reilly’s message reassuring, imagine that you’re black (93 percent for Obama), or Latino-American (71 percent for Obama), or Asian-American (73 percent for Obama). Imagine that you’re flipping through the news coverage on Election Night and you hear O’Reilly make those comments. How do they come across?
They come across as condescending and even racist, because they ARE condescending and racist. The comments equate the fading “white establishment” with all that is good and great in this country, while the rising minority tide is treated as “takers,” as leeches.
It’s not a complicated thing. Hearing that kind of argument, the natural reaction of almost any non-white listener will be to reject the political party from which such sentiments are emanating, regardless of what other affinities you might have with it. Because you and your parents and your cousins and your friends are being insulted.
But is O’Reilly’s formulation nonetheless accurate? Not even close.
To use his term, it was “the white establishment” that created Social Security, and it did so largely for white people, because that’s who dominated this country at the time. It was the white establishment that created Medicare, and it did so largely for white people, because again, that’s who dominated the country at that time. More recently, the white establishment, in the form of President George W. Bush and a Republican Congress, created Medicare Part D.
Who’s on Medicaid, the government-financed health care program that Romney/Ryan proposed to slash? Among the non-elderly, some 43 percent are white, 22 percent are black and 28 percent are Latino. And who’s on food stamps? According to the Census Bureau, 59 percent are white.
And if you really want to get down to it, we can do so.
U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan campaigns at The Villages retirement community in Florida, promising to protect "free stuff" for senior citizens.
When Paul Ryan campaigned in the massive Villages retirement community in central Florida this year, promising to restore the $716 billion in “free stuff” that Obama had cut from Medicare, he wasn’t pitching those remarks to retired black school-bus drivers. He was pitching them to white Americans over 65, 61 percent of whom ended up voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket.
Because let’s be blunt. No demographic group in the country gets more “free stuff” from the government than its senior citizens. In fact, seniors make up roughly half of that infamous “47 percent” who pay no federal income taxes. And a lot of them sat there Tuesday night, watching on Fox and shaking their heads in agreement with O’Reilly.
One final point:
The 2012 exit polls offer further evidence to rebut the notion that Obama’s coalition is motivated largely by the demand for “free stuff.”
For example:
– The 65 percent of Americans who believe that illegal immigrants ought to be given a chance to become U.S. citizens voted for Obama by a 24-point margin. These are people drawn to this country by the opportunity to work to make things better for themselves and their children, and the Obama coalition respects them for it.
– The 49 percent of Americans who believe that gay marriage should be legal voted for Obama by a 48-point margin. (The 46 percent who believe it should be banned voted for Romney by a similar margin.) Younger Americans in particular define that as a basic civil right, and voters in four states confirmed that belief Tuesday.
– The 59 percent of Americans who believe that abortion ought to be legal — that such an issue is up to the individual, rather than government bureaucrats — voted for Obama by a 36-point margin.
That’s not “free stuff.” That’s freedom and opportunity, even if the definitions of freedom and opportunity might differ from those of earlier generations of Americans. That’s how it ought to be. Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process.
– Jay Bookman
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Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
1:01 pm
Damn St. Simons: I just remembered. I have to go fix an oven at noon tomorrow. I was about to call Brother O see if he wanted to do a road trip and start packing……….
stands for decibels
November 8th, 2012
1:01 pm
Lil’ Nero sounds just like Benny! (giggling)
yeah, took about four posts to suss that one out…
Partisay
November 8th, 2012
1:02 pm
“I wish I had your job, that dope Hannity’s job, or perhaps that dope Lawrence O’Donnell’s job..easy money…simply take all the ills of society and assign blame to others…”
You just described right-wing talk radio and cable!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
1:02 pm
getalife — “Not one con banned?”
Can’t ban ‘em if they don’t come post.
First, they come back. Then come the meltdowns. THEN comes the banhammer.
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
1:02 pm
Stevie Ray
I don’t see a reason to believe in any of them. At the same time, we have to have hope and faith in all of them or we doom ourselves to failure. You seem so intent and focused on your disection of Obama that you seem to completely disregard the 535 who work under the Capitol Dome. Nothing against you personally, but when you continuously rail againt one person, it gives you the aroma of partisaned bitterness. If you’re seriously expecting Obama to do all that you claim, you’re looking more for a dictator than a president, and you’ll always be disappointed in the outcome.
AmericaShrugged
November 8th, 2012
1:03 pm
We’re approaching the cliff because neither side was willing to adapt the recommndations of the bi-partisan committee, which in short recommended balancing the budget at 21% of GDP by 2035. the balancing came from about 3/4 spending cuts and 1/4 increased tax revenues. An the increased tax revenues came by lowering the rates, broadening the base and cutting the spending (credits and deductions like mortgage interest, retirement and charitable contributions, etc.) in the tax code.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
1:04 pm
E. Cat — “sorta ’splains why I post here often eh?”
May your seat upgrades always come through.
Tom Middleton
November 8th, 2012
1:04 pm
DDR
They’re self-destructing right now, Deb, mostly out of self-pity. But soon enough, they’ll rise up like the Phoenix and blow stuff out their a$$.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:04 pm
Here’s an embarrassing example of racism/racist remarks…they should do time for hate crimes..they probably, in an intellectual sort of ignorance, think they specifically won at Vicksburg and the south….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/higher-education/obama-re-election-protest-escalates-at-univ-of-mississippi-racial-slurs-2-arrests-reported/2012/11/07/1722d70a-2946-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html?tid=pm_pop
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
1:06 pm
I wonder how long USMC is gonna take to sober up and come back and post. Hell If I knew where he was on this bender I’d go join him. Drink a few, buy him a few, it don’t matter…………
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 8th, 2012
1:06 pm
The liberal mantra/campaign slogan continues:
“The government is the only thing we all belong to”
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:06 pm
Joe,
True, many cons are licking their wounds and cut and ran.
Immigration reform will get them back.
Hate for brown people is still too strong for them not to get their hate on.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:07 pm
BRO
I think I’ve been an equal opportunity offender of BO, Congress and the likes of Romney…it is most definitely a group outcome…the system, as preferred by WH, Congress and the like, only allows outcomes that maintain the status quo…I do challenge BO’s leadership capabilities but they are certainly exceed by congressional leadership…
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:08 pm
Fred,
Are you trying to get drunk with every blogger on this blog?
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
1:08 pm
Catch up Stevie Ray. That’s at least the third time that Ole Miss story has been posted that I’ve seen and I’ve been absent mostly. Hell I’m fixing to go absent now. I have a butt load of squash (different kinds) and I need to figure out how to cook it all. Looking at this recipe for spaghetti squash right now…….
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/spaghetti-squash-i/
Nero
November 8th, 2012
1:09 pm
The cons are just as pathetic as you Dems getalife. You’re just opposite sides of the same faded coin. Now hurry up and burn it all down. I’m bored.
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
1:09 pm
getalife
We would have you in the mix if you were closer to the ATL.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
1:09 pm
getalife: It wasn’t a goal until you put it like that. Now it seems like a worthy endeavor lol. I get a few days off and I’ll drive down to the Big Easy and meet you at Pat O’s………
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
1:10 pm
oh and get? I still have to figure out which guy at The Hickory House is Oscar lol. I know he’s got to live within 2 miles of me.
deegee
November 8th, 2012
1:10 pm
Let’s set the record straight. We don’t pay SS taxes now so that we can have a benefit now. We pay SS taxes now so that someone that is retired now can have a benefit. The money doesn’t go into a lock box for you. It’s a socialist program that happens to be very popular. The demographic shift that is causing problems for the program has been on the radar since the 1960’s. If we would stop with the demagoguery we could resolve the problem now.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 8th, 2012
1:11 pm
“Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process.”
You are correct and that’s why we are in such big trouble. No nation is guaranteed true freedom or even its very existance forever.
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:12 pm
nero,
You are boring.
I did change my registration to Dem because they voted against Medicare vouchers.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:12 pm
JAY
I owe you an apology..lumping you in a category with Hannity and O’Donnell was not appropriate…my bad…it’s difficult to compete with that level of stupid and you certainly are not remotely dopey or the like one of them..
That was wrong..I get a bit overheated when the r word gets tossed around in ways that I think inappropriate..
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:13 pm
“We will burn together” – Nero
Anybody remember Tom Lehrer?
Oh we will all burn together when we burn.
There’ll be no need to stand and wait your turn.
When it’s time for the fallout
And saint peter calls us all out,
We’ll just drop our agendas and adjourn
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:14 pm
Fred,
I like your goal.
Did you buy Jay a bourbon yet?
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:15 pm
FRED
I seem to be the last to know everything
What kind of squash? Any type lends itself to soup….many ways to go with that as I’m sure you know..
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
November 8th, 2012
1:16 pm
Tom – Too funny!!
Paul: Do we have our first chagrined, post-election conservative blogger returning under a new moniker?
Nah! not even close — there were a few who blogged yesterday, (under a different name). However I wanna give a big shout out to JM, Doom, and __________ (can’t remember the other one); who came on the blog, used their ORIGINAL Blog names, and took it like men.
They were polite, but they threw a couple of punches too. But at least they didn’t slink back like rabbits running from the fox.
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:16 pm
scout,
Our country is not in trouble.
It might be in your mind but there are meds for that .
Go to the VA scout and tell them about our country in trouble and they will help you.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
November 8th, 2012
1:17 pm
TBS – big fan, thanks. It was easy, you can feel the Fla vibe changing.
Fred – dam that oven, I’m puttin on a trailer hitch, & the toilet has trouble
flushing, but that’s probably ’cause its at sea level.
Paul
November 8th, 2012
1:17 pm
getalife
You do know how to attract them, you know that?
Stevie Ray
If more conservative bloggers followed your lead, Jay wouldn’t have to ban any of them.
But they won’t.
GT
November 8th, 2012
1:18 pm
I think you will see a different more empowered Obama this time around. The right has tried to beat up the alpha dog and twice have failed. In the coming debacle I see Obama using executive power to pay the bills if necessary. I love how the right thinks this is solely the discretion of the Congress. You have voted these laws in that cost money and if you do not pay them and it is to the detriment of the country the president has the power of executing executive authority.
I think O hesitated last time because he was being trapped by the Tea Party, and really wanted the country to know in its slow learning curve, how the reality of this “do nothing” Congress can damage the country. Now he has proof this kind of gamesmanship by the right will, not could, but will cause damage to the good name of the USA. What FOX and most of us don’t appreciate is Obama is damn near a genius or listens to one anyway. These people don’t make stupid moves and really make their living waiting for the right to make their half dozen a week. Like stealing candy from a baby.
Paul
November 8th, 2012
1:19 pm
DDR
Yeah, I always enjoy watching someone(s) who don’t even realize they’re supposed to be embarrassed!
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:19 pm
Thanks Both,
I will let y’all know when I am back in Atlanta for a wedding and hopefully no more funerals.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
November 8th, 2012
1:19 pm
Nero, you can only miss 7 days of school this year in Ga.
make this one count dude
unless you go to one of those jaysus-rode-the-dinosaur-for-profit-skools.
disgusted
November 8th, 2012
1:20 pm
Whiny White Boys…..Get over it!!!…We had to send a Black Man in to clean up a White boy’s mess…not once but twice.
HNIC will get things straightened out .No worries there.
Perhaps the Republikkkans in Washington will pay close attention and learn how things are properly done handling the people of the USA’s business and maybe, just maybe we ( Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays) will give you another chance at representing us.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
November 8th, 2012
1:20 pm
Well, since I’m a lazy-feel like i’m entitled-gubmint loving-can’t support myself-EPPI Card carrying-Whole Foods shopping Brown person……………………..I’d better get back to work before my employer sees that Obama sticker on my car and target me for dismissal.
Later gators!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
1:21 pm
R. Kcin — “Anybody remember Tom Lehrer?”
Just sing out a Te Deum
When you see that I C B M
stands for decibels
November 8th, 2012
1:21 pm
On Topic:
Mark Steyn Explains To Fox’s Doocy How Dems Win: They “Bribe People With The Obama Phone”
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
November 8th, 2012
1:22 pm
Yeah, I always enjoy watching someone(s) who don’t even realize they’re supposed to be embarrassed!
Paul
November 8th, 2012
1:22 pm
stands
In my best Bosch voice: “the stoopid, it burns!!!!”
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
1:22 pm
SSI — ” jaysus-rode-the-dinosaur-for-profit-skools.”
You can go to school to learn how to ride dinosaurs for profit? Hot diggity!
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
1:23 pm
getalife
Saints offense looked good the other night. Hope I am wrong, but I see them beating the Falcons this week. They will have the Super Dome rocking
Tom Middleton
November 8th, 2012
1:24 pm
Regnad Kcin
Genuflect
Genuflect
Genuflect
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
1:25 pm
“unless you go to one of those jaysus-rode-the-dinosaur-for-profit-skools.”
Damn………… Going to be difficult to top that post as the funniest of the day.
hahahahaha
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:26 pm
“Genuflect
Genuflect
Genuflect”
The best, of course.
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
They BOTH: It is ludicrous and yet sad that people are buying into that crap.
He wouldn’t even take office until Jan. What legislation was going to be pushed through to save these jobs for people whose business owners do not have demand and or cash flow to pay them today?
All the result of living inside that closed loop information bubble. When you rely on others to think for you, you eventually lose the ability to think for yourself.
booger
November 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
Hey folks! Be happy. Hell, you won. Somehow you seem more pissed off than ever.
And also, as soon as you get through spiking the ball, Maybe you could explain Obama’s blue print fo getting the economy going, and putting the brealks on an unsubstainable national debt.
disgusted
November 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
Klansmen – Crackers in sheets
Tea Party- Crackers in St. John Knits
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
Booger — “Somehow you seem more pissed off than ever.”
The universe wasn’t created in seven days.
Tax cuts don’t create jobs.
Liberals aren’t pissed off.
Done with this troll now. Jay, can you throw me a new one, please?
stands for decibels
November 8th, 2012
1:30 pm
“The government is the only thing we all belong to”
I must be a terrible liberal, because I’ve never heard that one before.
However, it’s arguably true of all US Citizens, or at least more true of the government, than of any other entity one might name.
Goldie
November 8th, 2012
1:32 pm
Thank God — She has kept the Wackadoodles away from the White House for another 4 years!!!
It’s a beautiful day, life is good!
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:32 pm
PAUL
Thanks…I’m moderate conservative on centralized and decentralized government and some fiscal policy but liberal on human issues….
My big beef is that sadly, nothing is going to change in terms of our fiscal direction regardless…systemic IMO..
I’m disappointed in BO’s record but would likely be more so if Romney was in WH…in retrospect…as mentioned, I couldn’t vote for either..
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
1:34 pm
Stevie
You tend to heap more on Obama than any other, or at least that’s how it seems to me. That said, you don’t have to do or say anything here other than what you know, think, or see.
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:35 pm
“And also, as soon as you get through spiking the ball, Maybe you could explain Obama’s blue print fo getting the economy going, and putting the brealks on an unsubstainable national debt.”
Sure, booger! Continued slow-but-solid economic recovery, and, when the economy is strong enough to handle it without re-tanking, deficit reduction and revenue enhancement.
Glad to help.
JOE COOL........
November 8th, 2012
1:36 pm
Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson gambled more than $54 million on Tuesday’s elections. And he lost.
Yet whine about 4-5% tax increase…. go figure.
getalife
November 8th, 2012
1:37 pm
Both,
We might beat Atlanta once this year.
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
1:38 pm
My big beef is that sadly, nothing is going to change in terms of our fiscal direction regardless…systemic IMO..
Your beef is with C-O-N-G-R-E-S-S then. Historical re-election rates between 80% to 90% should be your focus on ranting. When Congress never changes, our trajectory won’t change. It doesn’t matter who’s in the White House. All that person does is sign the legislation. Obama could come out and preach the Ryan Budget (which won’t address our fiscal issues either), but if Congress doesn’t act, we’re still f**ked.
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:38 pm
Question for cons: Why do YOU think the republicans lost?
So far, I’ve only heard variations on two themes.
1) Peolple are stupid
2) Romney sux
Got any other reasons?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 8th, 2012
1:40 pm
I guess Paul Ryan can go back to being just a normal guy….a normal guy who is faster than a frickin’ cheetah, beeeyatches!
MadMax
November 8th, 2012
1:40 pm
Stands – that was stated by someone on the left (BO or Biden I believe a couple of months ago). Those of us on ther right took offense to it then and still do because we don’t believe we are the property of or owned by the government. We believe we are subject to it’s laws but unless you work directly, we are not part of the government.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
1:40 pm
Debbie, I agree a few came back on under their own monikers (or at least a common sock puppet). I don’t give them much credit for that thought since I don’t think one of them reflected on the losses and what it demonstrates for the GOP. A few like Doomsy did have some meltdown personal insults and more blatant dishonesty. One just signed off completely under that moniker.
I would love to see a few more come on and urge their fellow GOPpers to leave the bubble and come into the real world.
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:41 pm
Hey, where did “Nero” go? As soon as his “secret identity” was discovered, he vanished!
booger
November 8th, 2012
1:41 pm
regnad,
Really! That’s the plan? Very sad.
JOE COOL........
November 8th, 2012
1:41 pm
Kenyan mother names twins Barack Obama and Mitt Romney………… O_0
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/kenyan-mother-names-twins-barack-obama-mitt-romney-132344622.html
indigo
November 8th, 2012
1:42 pm
Jay – 12:11
That’s the same kind of pressure I got from working for Republican managers in different corporations.
Turn out highly detailed and extremely accurate work, do it at a frenetic pace, all day, everyday. And of course, watch them go out of the office to play golf several times a week. And, about every two weeks, be called into the manager’s office and told “you’ve just got to start working faster”.
This is the kind of Corporate mentality that currently owns the Republicans. Believe me, one way or another, and despite changing demographics, they will find a way to keep cheating, gouging and lying to the American people.
pete
November 8th, 2012
1:42 pm
I just peered over that fiscal cliff, and it is not pretty down there. Looks like California will be the first to slide down the hill, who will be next? Man, I hope you dems have a plan. Tick…tock…
You do know you can’t blame conservatives…right? We tried to help, but bi-partisanship is not in the democratic party dictionary.
TaxPayer
November 8th, 2012
1:43 pm
Our local Newspaper:
Headline in big bold print: ROMNEY WINS COUNTY!
Subtitle in smaller plain type: Obama wins nation.
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:43 pm
“regnad,
Really! That’s the plan? Very sad”
Perhaps. The republican alternative seemed to be “spend more, cut taxes, and hope for the best.” Didn’t really sell, though…
jconservative
November 8th, 2012
1:44 pm
Goodman is correct on this one.
Obama received 55% of the women’s vote. More telling, he received 68% of the unmarried women’s vote.
Do you get that group, women, to vote for you next election by insulting them after this election? Is that the way to win friends and influence people?
Of course, O’Reilly’s job is not to win elections. His job is to win viewers and listeners. And he is really good at it. On the other hand David Plouffe, David Axelrod and Jim Messina’s job is to win elections. And so far they are really good at it. In fact, they may be the best ever.
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
1:44 pm
Keep @ 1:40
See my 12:58 with an emphasis on the last part of that post.
Ronald Reagan Parkway
November 8th, 2012
1:44 pm
。☆ 。☆。☆
★。＼｜／。★
Obama 4 MORE
–Deal with it TroIIs–
★。／｜＼。★
。☆。 。☆。
St Simons - he-ne-ha
November 8th, 2012
1:44 pm
Public Service Announcement –
DO NOT drink every time you hear Fox/AM radio say ‘Makers/Takers’
(for the children)
Man, I can hear THAT dog-whistle all the way down heah
at the Lighthouse.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:44 pm
Regarding Big NJ Chris…I can see him as president and riding his cart back and forth to the hill…wouldn’t it be great to see him yelling at Congress to stop being stupid…?
Refreshing at any rate..
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:46 pm
“regnad,
Really! That’s the plan? Very sad”
=========
What is it you don’t like about that plan, booger?
hsn
November 8th, 2012
1:48 pm
Jay,
Let them continue living in their own bubble, DENY reality, and when it hits, it is guaranteed these GOP fools will create a new “reality” and try to impose it own us. The sweep of the swing states by O ought to send the message that most Americans are catching on to the right’s foolish fear-mongering. The more they refuse to listen the better the news for the Dems as their base will continue to grow and become larger.
Earlier in the campaign, when the polls showed O up by 5 the cons DENIED reality.
When Romney won the first debate, even the most liberal Dem gave it to him, but when O won the remaining two debates, the cons DENIED reality and either blamed the media or the moderator.
When the jobs report showed unemployment down to 7.8, they DENIED reality.
When polls showed O leading in all swing states, they DENIED reality, and concocted their own poll “reality” to make them feel better.
When polls showed O surging with women and minorities, they DENIED reality, still insisting that Romney will win by a “landslide”. After spending $300M Karl Rove failed to win A SINGLE SENATE seat.
Heck even on election night, when O won Ohio, Rove was DENYING reality live on TV.
Let them continue living in DENIAL.. They will get the rude-awakening when Texas becomes a swing state, and eventually start slowly turning Blue, just like VA. It will be too late for them by then.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:49 pm
BRO
My beef is with the WH, congress, lobbyist, the cash providers, defense contractors, unions and all other influence…I’m definitely beefed at the office president and the executive branch for not spending more time on the hill (Clinton was a master and invested geometrically more time working the phones and walking those halls), politicizing issues, taking credit and laying blame..
My beef is with anyone of influence, including the WH in shaping policy that simply mimics the status quo…
Krystal'sBalls
November 8th, 2012
1:49 pm
This attitude unfortunately permeates among many in the majority. It’s highly offensive as a minority, and is the reason why the Democratic party will continue for generations to be the Party of today’s minority.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
1:49 pm
TBS, definitely a lot of doubling down. It will be an interesting battle tween the double downers and the moderates for the heart and soul of the party. I hope the moderates win. It would be nice to have a viable 2 party system with real competition on real ideas and not fictions. We need real answers on climate change, infrastructure.
Stevie, amazing. One second you are in dismay about nothing changing in both parties and how you did not vote and the next you are championing Christie.
How absurd.
Kenyan mother names twins Barack Obama and Mitt Romney
November 8th, 2012
1:50 pm
A young Kenyan mother has named her newborn twin sons after the U.S. president-elect and his defeated Republican challenger.
Millicent Owuor, 20, gave birth to Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on Wednesday at the Siaya District Hospital in southwest Kenya, according to the Standard.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/kenyan-mother-names-twins-barack-obama-mitt-romney-132344622.html
Steve-USA
November 8th, 2012
1:51 pm
I watched O’Reilly last night for the purpose of seeing how he would handle Dick Morris. Morris just said he was wrong and I had the fantasy that Billy would say “There is wrong and there is being totally out of touch with reality while being arrogant at the same time, sorry but after this election and 2008 I don’t think you should appear on my show”
Like I said that was my fantasy, the reality was Morris said since he elected Clinton he was elite and beyond criticism and Billy added you can “visit Morris at DickMorris,com”
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
1:51 pm
““LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.
“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and that “at the end of the day, I need to survive.””
I sure hope David selected his layoff candidates by first making note of any O’bozo stickers on the cars driven by his employees.”
Well, I just hired 500 employess as a direct result of Obama’s re-election. I would like to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
1:52 pm
Pete is full.
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
1:53 pm
Keep
Agreed. That is why I hope Republican outreach in the minority communities actually gains some traction. Will be good for the Republican party to be more diverse and look more like the overall country’s demographics, as well as a wake up call to Democrats. Democrats at times do take minorities for granted.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:53 pm
BRO
Lumping more on BO is accurate as this is a liberal site and I see no value in being part of a gushing mutual admiration society…can you imagine the material Romney would have provided? Both of us would be banging Kyle relentlessly…
We need leaders with stones…they may start intentioned such but the system and a burning desire to become professional permanent politician softens the sack as it were..
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
1:55 pm
The house and senate will be more blue next year. GOP work for americans or be replaced.
pete
November 8th, 2012
1:55 pm
Regnad Kcin ,
I will play your game, but I guarantee you will not like my answer. Ready?
This country has become a majority of moochers, looking for a hand out. Look at your party. Their solution to our problem is to take from the rich, and give to the poor. Your leader said it himself a few weeks ago. What was that comment…”you didn’t earn that”.
We have passed the tipping point where there are more folks taking (51%) then producing (49%). It is sad, and I threw in my towel on Tuesday night. If this is the society that you want, then you got it. My question is this, when there is nothing left to give out, what is next?
Steve-USA
November 8th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Well, I just hired 500 employess as a direct result of Obama’s re-election. I would like to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.”
You hired 500 employees in a day and a half? My BS meter just exploded.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
1:56 pm
STEVE
I think the best was Brett Baier asking Karl Rove why he was so off base and asking if Fox provided him a slow computer…also, miss piggy took Rove to task as well…clealy they were embarassd as should be the case…problem is not that they were wrong…they were unforgivably wrong and are probably discussing proceeding with both relationships..
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
1:56 pm
… of crap in the highest degree. What a pip.
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
1:57 pm
Has numbers ever earned a paycheck from anywhere but the gov’t. ?
Nero
November 8th, 2012
1:58 pm
I didn’t go anywhere. Lunch was calling. No secret identity here. Long time lurker who has finally decided to speak up and enjoy it all burning down on your leech heads.
ad
November 8th, 2012
1:59 pm
Well, he that cannot do math, Lead Financial Reporter Lou Dobbs, and panel were just on Fox discussing how the election was just America voting to get free stuff. I used to think they were just cynically using this narrative to sway the weak minded, but now I think they’ve told it so long that they believe it too.
small disclaimer – I’m sure there were people voting for Obama because they thought they’d get free stuff, just like people voting for Romney because they thought Obama was a Muslim – just not most people.
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
2:00 pm
“This country has become a majority of moochers, looking for a hand out. Look at your party. Their solution to our problem is to take from the rich, and give to the poor. Your leader said it himself a few weeks ago. What was that comment…”you didn’t earn that”.”
I understand that you object to the plan – grow the economy, then cuts and revenue enhancements – but your reply above does not appear to speak to that at all. Perhaps you need to read the previous post again?
Thanks for your response, though…
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
2:00 pm
KEEP,
Championing Christie? A bit strong…I think…my fantasy of anyone going into congress and in front of the country suggesting they are being stupid (like those not heeding storm warnings)would be worth the taxes we pay…momentarily at least..
We won’t get that from BO or Romney…
Also I did vote but not for either BO or Mitts…for the record anyway…the weed guy got my vote..
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
2:02 pm
AD,
Typical business pundit is that Brit..of course the other side wanted freebies as well….more tax reductions…
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
2:02 pm
“You hired 500 employees in a day and a half? My BS meter just exploded.”
Good – then it was working (before the explosion).
Just as much proof for my claim as for the other, though (which was my point).
JohnnyReb
November 8th, 2012
2:03 pm
I seldom have time lately to stay on these threads but occassionally drop in to kick the ant hill.
I would have been on sooner after the election but was traveling.
I predicted Romney by a landslide; obviously wrong there. In fact, the election was an F’n disaster for Republicans.
It is however too early to know why. Libs like Jay think they know why, and they could be correct, but for me I will take a while to decide for myself.
It is true, no matter what Jay and his fellow Lefties state, the Democratic Party is where people turn when they want free stuff. You can believe they deserve the free stuff; that’s your choice, but you can’t deny Dems is where to find it.
My biggest question is, what am I going to do with all these crying towels I had lined up for you guys?
Steve-USA
November 8th, 2012
2:05 pm
Regnad-
My apologies, I missed the sarcasm. In defense it’s hard to tell when people are serious here or just plain crazy.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 8th, 2012
2:05 pm
Megyn asking Rove strait up if he was pulling figures out of his arse was a shining moment – one of many!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
2:05 pm
The Romney Campaign’s Final HURRRRRRRRR:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/07/romneys_transition_site.html#051365a