The GOP’s self-defeating image of minorities as ‘takers’
I’m seeing and hearing a lot of this kind of thing, on this blog and elsewhere, as Republicans attempt to come to grips with Tuesday’s election defeat and try to seek explanations for why they lost.
For those unable to watch video, here’s what O’Reilly had to say on Election Night, as it was becoming apparent that it would be a bad night for Republicans:
“The white establishment is now the minority. And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama’s way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”
In one sense, you can understand why that kind of rationalization would be appealing. In effect, O’Reilly is telling his listeners that “We lost by being better than they are. It’s not our fault and there’s nothing we can or should change.” He applies the powerful salve of moral superiority to a open wound, and by doing so he makes people feel better. People like to feel better, so they’ll come back to Fox for more.
But O’Reilly’s wrong. He’s wrong as a matter of politics, he’s wrong as a matter of morality, and he’s wrong as a matter of history. His listeners are equally wrong to believe him. To the degree that they continue to do so, they are likely to experience more tough election nights in the years to come.
Think about it. While older white voters might find O’Reilly’s message reassuring, imagine that you’re black (93 percent for Obama), or Latino-American (71 percent for Obama), or Asian-American (73 percent for Obama). Imagine that you’re flipping through the news coverage on Election Night and you hear O’Reilly make those comments. How do they come across?
They come across as condescending and even racist, because they ARE condescending and racist. The comments equate the fading “white establishment” with all that is good and great in this country, while the rising minority tide is treated as “takers,” as leeches.
It’s not a complicated thing. Hearing that kind of argument, the natural reaction of almost any non-white listener will be to reject the political party from which such sentiments are emanating, regardless of what other affinities you might have with it. Because you and your parents and your cousins and your friends are being insulted.
But is O’Reilly’s formulation nonetheless accurate? Not even close.
To use his term, it was “the white establishment” that created Social Security, and it did so largely for white people, because that’s who dominated this country at the time. It was the white establishment that created Medicare, and it did so largely for white people, because again, that’s who dominated the country at that time. More recently, the white establishment, in the form of President George W. Bush and a Republican Congress, created Medicare Part D.
Who’s on Medicaid, the government-financed health care program that Romney/Ryan proposed to slash? Among the non-elderly, some 43 percent are white, 22 percent are black and 28 percent are Latino. And who’s on food stamps? According to the Census Bureau, 59 percent are white.
And if you really want to get down to it, we can do so.
U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan campaigns at The Villages retirement community in Florida, promising to protect "free stuff" for senior citizens.
When Paul Ryan campaigned in the massive Villages retirement community in central Florida this year, promising to restore the $716 billion in “free stuff” that Obama had cut from Medicare, he wasn’t pitching those remarks to retired black school-bus drivers. He was pitching them to white Americans over 65, 61 percent of whom ended up voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket.
Because let’s be blunt. No demographic group in the country gets more “free stuff” from the government than its senior citizens. In fact, seniors make up roughly half of that infamous “47 percent” who pay no federal income taxes. And a lot of them sat there Tuesday night, watching on Fox and shaking their heads in agreement with O’Reilly.
One final point:
The 2012 exit polls offer further evidence to rebut the notion that Obama’s coalition is motivated largely by the demand for “free stuff.”
For example:
– The 65 percent of Americans who believe that illegal immigrants ought to be given a chance to become U.S. citizens voted for Obama by a 24-point margin. These are people drawn to this country by the opportunity to work to make things better for themselves and their children, and the Obama coalition respects them for it.
– The 49 percent of Americans who believe that gay marriage should be legal voted for Obama by a 48-point margin. (The 46 percent who believe it should be banned voted for Romney by a similar margin.) Younger Americans in particular define that as a basic civil right, and voters in four states confirmed that belief Tuesday.
– The 59 percent of Americans who believe that abortion ought to be legal — that such an issue is up to the individual, rather than government bureaucrats — voted for Obama by a 36-point margin.
That’s not “free stuff.” That’s freedom and opportunity, even if the definitions of freedom and opportunity might differ from those of earlier generations of Americans. That’s how it ought to be. Every generation in this country has re-interpreted the American dream in its own way, and nothing is going to stop that process.
– Jay Bookman
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CJ
November 8th, 2012
11:42 am
Great, great piece Jay! (As usual).
(With respect to your previous post, I wish you’d take a look at this analysis by Steve Benen: http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/08/15023224-boehner-tells-obama-my-offer-is-this-nothing?lite)
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
11:43 am
frog
We’re already headed in that direction. I joke around with Canadians in that the only difference between them and us are the passports. It’s come about as a business necessity as many of our domestic companies have expanded to Mexico and Canada. There has to be almost seamless transfer of goods and persons between the borders to meet the demands of our just-in-time business models.
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EC
I have noticed that Seattle has a very laid back attitude. You might be on to something there. Right now, they don’t do the international traffic that Hartsfield does, but when the logistics are figured out on how to enact the new laws, I can see Seattle becoming a lighter version of Amsterdam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CslOIXporo
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
11:43 am
DownInAlbany
November 8th, 2012
11:36 am
Who’s on Medicaid, the government-financed health care program that Romney/Ryan proposed to slash? Among the non-elderly, some 43 percent are white, 22 percent are black and 28 percent are Latino. And who’s on food stamps? According to the Census Bureau, 59 percent are white.
Never mind that whites make up 72% of the the population, blacks, 13%, huh? Spin, spin, spin. Like I said yesterday: there is no such thing as “unbiased media.”
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Do you need plane fare and luggage too?
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
11:43 am
EC
You down in Mexico or haven’t went down yet?
F. Sinkwich
November 8th, 2012
11:44 am
“Pack your bags and GIT traitor.”
I didn’t vote for O’bozo.
Paul
November 8th, 2012
11:45 am
Okay, here’s a photogenic memory for anyone who wants one.
http://tinyurl.com/clu9oa3
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
11:45 am
“Never mind that whites make up 72% of the the population, blacks, 13%, huh? Spin, spin, spin. Like I said yesterday: there is no such thing as “unbiased media.””
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Even if you accept the “con logic,” more white peolple “choose” to take “handouts” than everybody all the minorities out together, right?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
11:45 am
Rove excuse so not to have to step out of the bubble: The president was also lucky. This time, the October surprise was not a dirty trick but an act of God. Hurricane Sandy interrupted Mr. Romney’s momentum and allowed Mr. Obama to look presidential and bipartisan.
Guess he has to come up with a way to get more money from them billionaires.
Cosby
November 8th, 2012
11:47 am
Yep it is the good old white guy’s fault. I have watched in my life as the Government has taken over the lives of primarily the black community and what have I seen. Destruction of the black family, pushed them into living in government subsidixed housing, made them dependent on the government for food etc. It has spilled over into the hispanic community and even , wow, the white community. When you have almost 50% of the population owing their means of living to government handouts, something is amiss. I have yet to hear the NAACP, any black congress person argue for support to bring the black, hispanic and now the white community back into self respect, self dependency and self respect. I look after some catastrophic even fire, wind etc, and I see people of all races and classes yelling into the microphone about “The Governemnt” should make them whole again. nothing about we can do this together and all jumping in helping each other weather the storm – so to speak. Blame the GOP, blame Bush, blame anyone you want but it sure is sad that the leaders, black white, red, pink etc push government dependency and keeps people on the rat infested plantation. Sad, Jay, very sad.
Paul
November 8th, 2012
11:47 am
But if someone says they have an eidetic memory, they probably look like this:
http://tinyurl.com/cfzvqhm
And if they don’t have one, the caption lets us know they’re a conservative on Jay’s blog.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
11:47 am
Nero
November 8th, 2012
11:38 am
Jeremiah Wright coined it perfect. G**damn America! I don’t care anymore. Screw this country. It deserves everything it gets as it gradually picks up speed in it’s spiraling decent into obscurity. Rome is burning and nothing will change. I’m gonna sit back and laugh while it all crashes on top of your pointy heads. My only hope is it burns hot and slow. That way all you leeches and charlatans all suffer excruciatingly slow before the end. The fire should be exquisite. I’ll bring the marshmallows.
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We REAl Americans would actually much rather that traitors such as yourself would just leave. Denounce your citizenship, leave our Country and never come back. i’ll help you pack. Do you need some cash for luggage or air fare? If it were up to me I’d even let you take all your money and possessions tax free just as long as you left and never EVER came back.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
11:48 am
F. Sinkwich
November 8th, 2012
11:44 am
“Pack your bags and GIT traitor.”
I didn’t vote for O’bozo.
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Oh is that traitor humor?
appleseed
November 8th, 2012
11:48 am
The world evolves as the Republicans stand still.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
11:48 am
Paul
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Common Sense isn't very Common
November 8th, 2012
11:48 am
Brosephus™
We’ll turn this place into the real life version of “Trading Places” as many of the young and minority people want to succeed. We just don’t get the same opportunities to do that.
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I must have been channeling you.
I was looking for the gorilla love scene in Trading Places since it reminded me of how Palin looked on election night.
Thulsa Doom
November 8th, 2012
11:49 am
Keep up,
I handled the election loss very well as a couple of liberal bloggers noted yesterday. If I had a “meltdown” over it then please point out where. As for Fred I’m just not going to put up with his BS. Especially after the man insulted the intelligence of other people with his ridiculously grandiose feats of genius ability and actually thought some of us would believe that BS. Not Doomy. I’ll call his lying ass out on his BS.
Matti
November 8th, 2012
11:50 am
Know who’s a “taker?” Nathan Deal. Saxby Chambliss is another one. They’re doing very well for themselves and their friends and families. I think that’s because they live on the gubmint payroll year after year, taking our tax money, but yet, their personal bank accounts (and those of their family and friends) are getting HUUUUUUUGE. Nice business model they have going for themselves.
Wanna be a “taker” too? Get elected to an important public office in Georgia. You’ll have more friends shoving favors at you than you can process on your own, so you’ll have to put your family to work juggling it around for you. Sure, you’ll offer a few government favors — our tax dollars and interests — in return, but that’s what makes this country GREAT!
Of course, to be a “taker” in Georgia, you’ll have to become a Republican first. Democrats and working folks need not apply.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
11:50 am
As Aaron Sorkin said it … (the GOP’s) problem isn’t that they don’t get it … their problem is that they can’t sell it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRVbWMvi7c
Ashley Judd Touted as Sen. McConnell Challenger
November 8th, 2012
11:51 am
Cosby
November 8th, 2012
11:47 am
How do you feel about jobs being outsourced and U.S. citizens placing money in offshore accounts? Do you think that Americans can answer the customer service call that are outsourced to India?
godless heathen
November 8th, 2012
11:51 am
JHM, (from downstairs)
Not sure I follow. If Cooter the Homeless Dude uses a Fed $ to buy a biscuit and a cuppa joe at the Golden Gallon, and Steve The Civilian Submarine Engineering Specialist spends a Fed $ at the same Golden Gallon for *his* biscuit and cuppa joe, what’s the difference?
The subs defend the whole nation and not just Georgia.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
November 8th, 2012
11:51 am
Jay: “We lost by being better than they are. It’s not our fault and there’s nothing we can or should change.” He applies the powerful salve of moral superiority to a open wound, and by doing so he makes people feel better. People like to feel better, so they’ll come back to Fox for more.
They’ve been doing that for YEARS; not just last night. Their whole platform is “us” against “THEM”. THEY, those takers, don’t want to work — its really funny though that every time, on television, they show those long lines at Job Fairs, there are a whole lot of brown people in them that “don’t want to work”.
But O’Reilly’s wrong. He’s wrong as a matter of politics, he’s wrong as a matter of morality, and he’s wrong as a matter of history. His listeners are equally wrong to believe him. To the degree that they continue to do so, they are likely to experience more tough election nights
Dudley, when I first met him, was a virulent, flag waving, Republican — what turned him to the Independent Party was the rhetoric coming out of his former party. They’re against gays and gay marriage, his sister is gay and married to her partner. They’re against the “brown people”, his wife, his inlaws, niece and nephew are brown. Dudley’s world changed, and with that change his worldview and attitude changed. His reality changed.
Republicans have painted themselves into a corner. If they end up stuck there, that’s THEIR problem.
Mike
November 8th, 2012
11:51 am
Jay, your column today is spot on. I have done a lot of thinking over the last couple of days and, Republicans have got to make changes or they will vanish. They keep blaming some imagined creature that lost them this election. It was not the 10-15% of people they want to point at, it was their own who voted for Obama and they just won’t believe it.
Nero
November 8th, 2012
11:51 am
No thanks. I’d rather watch you all burn
nelson
November 8th, 2012
11:52 am
I feel good. We are headed towards a “feel good” society where all work for the common good of the whole. No more of that traditional capitalism where, striving mightily could land a worker at the top with millions of net worth. Now, we are all for each other,a new society where happiness and tranquility reign supreme. It is great, no more of everyone thinking of themselves and getting ahead of the neighbors. Now, going to a Georgia-Georgia Tech game, the opponent can score all the touchdowns he wants and vicea-versa.
Nero
November 8th, 2012
11:53 am
I can’t wait for the implosion. It’s gonna be magnificent !!!
rightwingextreme
November 8th, 2012
11:53 am
King of Planet Kolob
November 8th, 2012
11:05 am
And the biggest moochers and takers of all are those who make millions but pays 0% – 15% on their taxes while the rest of us pays 30% on a tens of thousand.
I call BS on this….no way you’re paying 30% tax rate on your 1040 form.
Do you know the difference between taxes on income and investments? Doubt it.
Learn your stuff before you show your stupidity. typical obamite.
DownInAlbany
November 8th, 2012
11:54 am
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
11:43 am
DownInAlbany
November 8th, 2012
11:36 am
Do you need plane fare and luggage too?
First of all, I still believe the US is the GREATEST country on the face of God’s earth! But, are you telling me that just because I disagree, just because I point out the spin of the libs, that I’m welcome to leave the country? Thank you, Fred, for once again proving that both libs and cons can be equally hypocrits. And, you stand in the front of the line!
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
11:54 am
Brocephus: One of my favorite lines from that movie comes just seconds after that clip ended. The General yells at his men, “You men go northward, you go southward, I’m gonna walk here around in a circle……….
godless heathen
November 8th, 2012
11:55 am
Midori I want my social security benefits when I’m eligible.
You know, the same benefits I’vecontributed to during my entire life as a working person.
Word. We have a deal with the government. Guv takes 14% of my income for my entire working life in exchange for a pittance to be returned to me after I retire.
That’s a freebie?
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
11:56 am
NoCom
Check the vid I put up at 11:43 because that’s probably going to be the commercial for the Denver and Seattle Tourism Board in the near future. Denver’s going to really be the “Mile High” city now.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
11:57 am
“We are headed towards a “feel good” society where all work for the common good of the whole. No more of that traditional capitalism where, striving mightily could land a worker at the top with millions of net worth.”
I see the fine folks of Colorado are joining us on this blog …
Lord Help Us
November 8th, 2012
11:57 am
Sock puppet alert…
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
11:57 am
“I can’t wait for the implosion. It’s gonna be magnificent !!!”
Based on your posts, your “implosion” is already taken place. The wait is over..
GT
November 8th, 2012
11:57 am
The GOP is in deep trouble, their main support is in the Deep South, not exactly a poster child for success themselves and they can’t see the playing field being so far away from it. The Latino vote that they practically locked the door on this year is growing by double digits every election. Another thing that is happening for the first time in America, those “liberal” young voters, unlike their parents and generation before them, are staying “liberal” now in their late 30s with the new generation in their 20s adding to the numbers coming into voting age.
One of the problems with the right is anything in the middle is described as liberal instead of moderate. Newt even goes as far as calling it socialism to add a little more spin. You cannot insult your way to a presidency or scare your women voters or Latino voters, and then like an abusive husband ask for forgiveness. This will be the closest the GOP ever comes to an election and it was a 2 billion dollar loss. Look how much money your boy Murdock made off your mystery. Don’t you fools ever get tired of being played?
Nero
November 8th, 2012
11:58 am
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire. We don’t need no water let that mother****** burn!!!!
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
11:58 am
Nero,
Go ahead and leave – America doesn’t need quitters.
Or, are you going to sit around and just “take” without contributing? America needs people who want to build a better future.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
11:58 am
Nero
November 8th, 2012
11:51 am
No thanks. I’d rather watch you all burn
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We won’t. DESPITE the efforts of mooching traitorous Republicans, we will over come.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
11:59 am
Sorry Doomsy….. you can find your own name calling meltdown on your own. Your petty insults only demonstrate your inability to deal with your issues. Perhaps you need to address your own dishonesty and lack of credibility. Quit spreading the bull.
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
12:00 pm
Fred
I hear Denver’s talking about replacing the bronco statue at the entrance to the airport with one of Mighty Joint.
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Guv takes 14% of my income for my entire working life in exchange for a pittance to be returned to me after I retire.
That’s a freebie?
According to the logic of some Americans. It’s an entitlement that deserves to be cut. Nevermind the fact that you’ve paid your hard earned money into that “entitement” over the entire course of your working life. That’s why I despise the term “entitlement” altogether when people talk politics. It’s pure bullsh*t to call something an entitlement when you’ve busted your ass and paid into it the entire time you’ve been working, and that goes double for business owners who have to pay both parts for themselves.
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
12:00 pm
The GOP lost because of Romney, not because who voted. If he was not a radical liar or a real normal American who banks at home, he would have have a good chance considering all the crap the country had to go thru after 8 years of GOP damage and 4 years of the republicans in congress, throwing little chit balls in the fan.
The tragic demise of a once-great country
November 8th, 2012
12:02 pm
In the future, when historians determine the date when the United States went over the cliff into chaos and oblivion, that date will be November 6, 2012, the day the deadbeats and morons took over the country.
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
12:02 pm
Has there been any sigtings of the following?
kayaker, Joseph, Ahem, Ben Shockley, Liberal Pariah, Town Crier, USMC, etc. etc…
I’m sure they have been around, most in disguise or just looking in.
If so, greetings and salutations…
You would have surely been around had the outcome been different. There is no need to be shy now.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
November 8th, 2012
12:02 pm
The CONS love this racist B.S. that pinheads like Oreily, Rush Boortz bark out of there stoopid pie hole’s . They are all on the fast track to there own demise…..LOSERS…
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
12:03 pm
Nero
Come out of the “closet” and tell us who you were before Tuesday night…………
It is ok, little buddy
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
12:03 pm
tragic is full.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 8th, 2012
12:04 pm
Looks like the natives are growing restless. Self-immolation anyone?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/higher-education/obama-re-election-protest-escalates-at-univ-of-mississippi-racial-slurs-2-arrests-reported/2012/11/07/1722d70a-2946-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop
Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arrests reported
JACKSON, Miss. — A protest at the University of Mississippi against the re-election of President Barack Obama grew into crowd of about 400 people with shouted racial slurs as rumors of a riot spread on social media. Two people were arrested on minor charges.
The university said in a statement Wednesday that the gathering at the student union began late Tuesday night with about 30 to 40 students, but grew within 20 minutes as word spread. Some students chanted political slogans while others used derogatory racial statements and profanity, the statement said.
Regnad Kcin
November 8th, 2012
12:05 pm
“The GOP lost because of Romney, not because who voted. If he was not a radical liar…”
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1) No republican can run for president without winning the primary.
2) No republican can win the primary without committing to positions that are anathema to most Americans.
The republican nominee HAS to be a liar, or he can’t get elected.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
12:05 pm
“Guv takes 14% of my income for my entire working life in exchange for a pittance to be returned to me after I retire.”
a pittance? it will support you from your mid-60s through the rest of your life – it’s cost-adjusted (401Ks are not) plus, if you die young, will provide benefits for your children. It’s meant to be a SUPPLEMENT to your retirement, not your entire living.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
12:06 pm
First of all, I still believe the US is the GREATEST country on the face of God’s earth! But, are you telling me that just because I disagree, just because I point out the spin of the libs, that I’m welcome to leave the country? Thank you, Fred, for once again proving that both libs and cons can be equally hypocrits. And, you stand in the front of the line!
You have severe comprehension problems. I never told you to leave the Country. I ASKED you if you needed air fare or luggage like those others who are telling us this Country is done. I’m sick of their traitorous asses and traitorous lies. I merely wanted confirmation that you either are or are not one of them. Since it would seem, despite your poor reading comprehension skills, that you are one of us and not one of them, you might also want to donate to the fund to help rid us of the traitors……..
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
12:06 pm
Nero — “I don’t care anymore. Screw this country. It deserves everything it gets as it gradually picks up speed in it’s spiraling decent into obscurity. Rome is burning and nothing will change. I’m gonna sit back and laugh while it all crashes on top of your pointy heads.”
And you people call yourselves “patriots.”
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
12:07 pm
Baby crys about paying SS and the check he gets, but its insurance too — benefits for wifes and kids if you die early, disablility. Its an obligation not and entitlement. The GOP wants to dump its responsibilty and stiff Americans.
Thulsa Doom
November 8th, 2012
12:07 pm
So fantastical Fred regurgitates bookmans post and then claims he’s educated on the subject. Too funny. At least he was able to use that remarable photographic memory of his to rehash Jays column point for point. I guess the photographic memory took precedence over the genius IQ which would have required the man to actually think for a change.
DannyX
November 8th, 2012
12:07 pm
“Now, going to a Georgia-Georgia Tech game, the opponent can score all the touchdowns he wants and vicea-versa.”
Nelson, I see you are a big fan of socialist college football.
godless heathen
November 8th, 2012
12:07 pm
Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arrests reported
Two arrests! OMG it’s a wholesale insurrection. Back in the day we had more arrests than that at a kegger.
Erwin's cat
November 8th, 2012
12:08 pm
BOTH
In Queretaro as I type…a very nice old colonial town….a wide variety of tequila to pass the evenings…My meetings are a little boring today so I’m checkin in here to look busy
Nero
November 8th, 2012
12:08 pm
Are you kidding?! I’m not going anywhere! This self-immolation is going to be f’ing brilliant!!! Think I may even start mooching a little before the rest of you takers leave the cupboard bare. Hang on let me get the popcorn..
bookman parrot
November 8th, 2012
12:08 pm
you are partially correct jay; “takers” do come in all shapes, sizes, ethnicities, … etc whites included. and i can agree that Repubs did a poor job of convincing people of that; but you and yours did a pretty good job of half-truthing to convince people it was a conspiracy against minorities
you do miss that “illegals” are takers in a way, as they are not paying into the system (income taxes) yet take services; this is not to say that many do not work and work hard and at tough jobs. if you had any backbone you would state that people that have ability to work but have just chosen to stay on the public dole are “takers”. i don’t know how anyone would ever disagree. well anyone but the taker.
lastly you did miss the part that the Dem spin machine falsely stated that the clock would roll back and all latinos would be thrown out and slavery would return. what a crock that was spun. and too many bought the lie. the last Repub was Bush Jr. and i don’t recall a decline in latino population or a concerted effort to remove legal latinos AND i don’t recall slavery during those eight years…
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
12:08 pm
Paul — “Okay, here’s a photogenic memory for anyone who wants one.”
I’m not clickin’ on that. It’s probably GOATSE or something else disgusting.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
12:08 pm
“And you people call yourselves “patriots.””
fair weather patriots, maybe?
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
12:09 pm
COMMONSENSE
11;27
Couldn’t agree more about GOP but I think it goes beyond media as IMO the big money, on either DEMs of GOPS comes from the fringes..evangelicals, unions et al…
When the media became news, we all got screwed..
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
12:10 pm
G. Heathen — “The subs defend the whole nation and not just Georgia.”
Point well taken. Thanks for following up.
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
12:10 pm
Nero is a baby traitor, in fact.
mm
November 8th, 2012
12:10 pm
Cons even tell lies to themselves and believe them.
Brosephus™
November 8th, 2012
12:10 pm
EC
You flying back through Hartsfield?
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
12:11 pm
The tragic demise of a once-great country
November 8th, 2012
12:02 pm
In the future, when historians determine the date when the United States went over the cliff into chaos and oblivion, that date will be November 6, 2012, the day the deadbeats and morons took over the country.
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Here is another traitor who needs to go. You renounce your citizenship, leave and NEVER come back and I’ll pay your airfare the hell out of our great Country. I’m sick of traitors like you bringing us down. Need luggage? Need help packing? Whatever it takes to be shut of your traitorous ass I’m willing to do.
Jay
November 8th, 2012
12:11 pm
By the way, in the interest of full disclosure, I should admit that the electoral model that I bragged about back in September — http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/09/28/heres-the-math-behind-the-2012-presidential-race — proved to be badly out of whack and will have to be adjusted in future presidential cycles.
My model predicted an Obama win with 331.014 electoral votes. If and when they finally give him Florida, he’ll have 332 EVs, which means that I was off by 0.986 votes. I’m going to have go back, take the model apart and figure out where I went wrong.
Nero
November 8th, 2012
12:11 pm
Take your patriotism and cram it! I could care less what you call me. I won’t give two squirts while you all burn. Can’t wait to sift through your ashes.
godless heathen
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
a pittance? it will support you from your mid-60s through the rest of your life – it’s cost-adjusted (401Ks are not) plus, if you die young, will provide benefits for your children. It’s meant to be a SUPPLEMENT to your retirement, not your entire living.
It’s robbery for the people that work their entire lives. And if you die young after your children are grown the balance does not go into your estate, it’s just gone.
NTL, not a “freebie”.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
“You flying back through Hartsfield?”
if he says he’ll meet you, don’t believe him!!!
Thulsa Doom
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
Keep up the sorry fight,
Speaking of issues I see that you’re still consumed with me. In all seriousness you really should see a shrink about these fixations you get with other bloggers. C R E E P Y.
Karl Rove
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
I didn’t realize that many stupid people existed? Speaking of existance……where are we on Benghazi? I’ll be watching the View & Letterman for updates!
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
EC
Enjoy the libations. I hope the commerce part of the trip goes well. Be safe and enjoy.
Back in 2006, I used to have to go to Guadalajara on business. A week at a time for 5 months. Great times.
SwamiDave
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
Joe Hussein Mama: (posted below, but appropriate for this thread as well)
Fair enough. If our Leaders (Democrat & Republican) approach the discussion in the way that you and I just did, there’s a possibility of getting to some resolution.
I’ve got no problem with a property owner (in our case, the U.S. Government) negotiating the royalties it receives from resources that are produced from its land. Frankly, its good business sense because both parties only benefit with the recovery. The alternative (in places like off our Gulf Coast) is simply that other interests tap the same reserves in international waters and we get nothing.
Likewise, implementing policies that promote economic growth leads to year-over-year increases in tax revenues as evidenced by both historical figures from both Kennedy, Reagan, & Clinton.
We disagree on a lot. The current logger-head results from a lack of trust.
In my opinion, American Taxpayers have been lied to in every “budget compromise” in history. Tax increases occur immediately while spending cuts are either “reductions in rates of growth” (aka less of an increase than planned) or ignored altogether (because the recipients of the program / benefit / transfer payment “need” it). Speaking as an individual, I have no interest in another “compromise” that confiscates what I earn, but releases the beneficiaries from their end of the agreement.
The onus is not on America’s Taxpayers; we have done our job. It is up to the beneficiaries of programs, benefits, and transfer payments to accept the responsibility for their own lives and quit expecting others to do for them what they should do for themselves.
If they are willing to work in cooperation to resolve the mess that we are currently in, great – let’s work.
We shall see.
-SD
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
CONS love sucking on the Fox news titty. Enjoy the spoiled milk …LOSERS>>>
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
12:13 pm
Occupation — “The university said in a statement Wednesday that the gathering at the student union began late Tuesday night with about 30 to 40 students, but grew within 20 minutes as word spread. Some students chanted political slogans while others used derogatory racial statements and profanity, the statement said.”
Gosh, IF ONLY our cons were here to denounce this the same way they denounced Occupy Wall Street!
Yeahrite.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
12:14 pm
Jay – just link to Nate, the man of the hour!!
They BOTH suck
November 8th, 2012
12:14 pm
Jay
Are you the AJC’s Nate Silver or is Nate Silver really Jay Bookman?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
12:15 pm
heading home early tonight … have a good one!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
12:15 pm
Jay, you really need to stop using that Republican Math.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
12:15 pm
Jay — “My model predicted an Obama win with 331.014 electoral votes. If and when they finally give him Florida, he’ll have 332 EVs, which means that I was off by 0.986 votes. I’m going to have go back, take the model apart and figure out where I went wrong.”
I think that Dean Chambers’ gravitational pull (the “Unskewed Polls” guy) somehow got all up in yr math and discombobulated the cosine from the mean.
Nero
November 8th, 2012
12:15 pm
Just remember one thing leeches. All Americans were born as traitors. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.
STEVIE RAY
November 8th, 2012
12:16 pm
JAY
Your response was telling…can you explain to me further exactly how those particular comments are racist and how in the verbiage they are directly solely to hispanics and the like?
You above all others should be careful in the use of the term racist…love to see you go on his program and debate his racists ways..
I thought the definition included an amount of control over the subject class as opposed to bigotry..
Pick an appropriate label…your complete mis use of the word is surprising from a professional writer..do you view his comments as animosity or percpetion that one class is better than the others?
You can do better..
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
12:17 pm
Nero
November 8th, 2012
12:11 pm
Take your patriotism and cram it! I could care less what you call me. I won’t give two squirts while you all burn. Can’t wait to sift through your ashes.
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Don’t hold your breath traitor. We’ll be just fine. Hell, we’ll be better than fine. It’s a great day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4tSE2w53ts
Paul
November 8th, 2012
12:17 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Me, provide a link one shouldn’t click on?
NeVah!
Just a pic of a brain with various regions in bright, happy colors.
Bright colors. Photogenic. Get it?
JAY
I’m so glad you set the blog example, admit the error of your ways, apologize and show an ability to change when you come up short.
Just couldn’t believe you blew it so badly in the first place. What happened to you, man?!!? Write the thread after a night at Manuel’s?
SwamiDave
November 8th, 2012
12:18 pm
Jay:
I’m going to have go back, take the model apart and figure out where I went wrong.
LOL!
In my younger days, this is about the time I’d get a 15 yard penalty for “Unnecessary Roughness” after that spike of the football. Think I’ll go review the pictures and correct mistakes for the next play instead!
-SD
Welcome to the Occupation
November 8th, 2012
12:18 pm
JHM: “Gosh, IF ONLY our cons were here to denounce this the same way they denounced Occupy Wall Street!”
Great point.
Scout?
Scout?
You there, Scout?
Think these kids had taken baths before their mayhem spree?
getalife
November 8th, 2012
12:18 pm
Nate Silver and Jay Bookman are credible.
cons just ignore them and use pretend math.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
12:19 pm
Karl Rove
November 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
I didn’t realize that many stupid people existed? Speaking of existance……where are we on Benghazi? I’ll be watching the View & Letterman for updates!
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You need a new set of talk radio/Fox lies there pal. That one has already FAILED. Man are you slow……..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
12:19 pm
How funny. When you reply to a specific Doomsy post directed to you….he then whines about you being fixated with him. Guess he is really melting down. He’s taking this whole election loss so very badly.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 8th, 2012
12:20 pm
SD — “Fair enough. If our Leaders (Democrat & Republican) approach the discussion in the way that you and I just did, there’s a possibility of getting to some resolution.”
“We disagree on a lot. The current logger-head results from a lack of trust.”
As I’ve said repeatedly (despite the refusal of some of our con regulars to believe it), I voted Republican for 20+ years of my adult life. I’m *not* insensitive to the conservative position, nor am I ignorant of it.
That said, I’m willing to accept pain in the negotiations to get our national debt under control so long as it’s spread around and both sides show their cards. It’s clear that the Grover Norquist ‘no taxes EVAR’ approach isn’t working and won’t start to, either. So IMO, we need to get both sides serious about the problem.
“If they are willing to work in cooperation to resolve the mess that we are currently in, great – let’s work.”
I’m totally down with that.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
12:21 pm
The hijacked and hemorrhaging GOP deserves Bill O’Reilly.
And the plethora of their other slimeball talking heads…
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
12:21 pm
Nero
November 8th, 2012
12:15 pm
Just remember one thing leeches. All Americans were born as traitors. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.
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And here he adds liar to the traitor label. Benedict “Pinocchio” Arnold. A proud LYING traitorous moocher.
Thulsa Doom
November 8th, 2012
12:22 pm
Keep up,
Sure buddy. If you say so…
Bill O'Reilly
November 8th, 2012
12:22 pm
Watch tonight we will be explaining free stuff vs. working for your own stuff!
MaJo
November 8th, 2012
12:22 pm
Both conservatives and liberals like to talk about how much they love freedom and choice, but they really mean only the kinds of freedom and choice of which they approve. They want us all to live within the boundaries they set according to their values.
Nero
November 8th, 2012
12:22 pm
This whole traitor thing is liberating! I need to get me on of those Guy Fawkes masks. I’ll be able to blend in perfectly with the other leeches and “patriots”.
Fred ™
November 8th, 2012
12:23 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 8th, 2012
12:19 pm
How funny. When you reply to a specific Doomsy post directed to you….he then whines about you being fixated with him. Guess he is really melting down. He’s taking this whole election loss so very badly.
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Don’t forget to wash when you are done playing with him. I would also suggest penicillin……
getalife
November 8th, 2012
12:24 pm
nero,
The leeches are corporate welfare.
What about those leeches that don’t need our money nero?
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
12:24 pm
A baby.
Erwin's cat
November 8th, 2012
12:24 pm
Bro – Coming thru on Hartsfield Sunday @ 17:30
you working?