Why 2012 election was a message election

In an election year with unemployment hovering at 8 percent and millions of Americans deeply concerned about their future, in a year with no campaign-finance laws to prevent rich conservatives from dumping as much money as they wished into the process, in a year featuring an incumbent who motivated the GOP base by his mere existence, the Republican Party lost.

And it wasn’t just the presidency that they lost. At the beginning of the year, with Democrats forced to defend 23 Senate seats while Republicans defended just 10, GOP leaders were all but certain that they would reclaim Senate control and oust Harry Reid as majority leader. It was an historic opportunity.

Instead, they lost two seats. They lost five seats in the House as well, including, at last count, that of Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh in Illinois. Michele Bachmann barely survived in a heavily Republican district. (UPDATE: The latest numbers suggest that the GOP will lose seven seats in the House, not five.)

In other signs of a changing America, voters in Maine and Maryland approved measures legalizing gay marriage. In Washington, a measure to legalize gay marriage also appears to have passed. In Minnesota, voters rejected a measure that would ban gay marriage. In Wisconsin, voters elected the nation’s first openly gay person to the Senate. And in Colorado and Washington, voters easily approved the recreational use of marijuana.

Three additional points:

The polls were not skewed. Needing an excuse to explain why the polls were so consistently unfriendly to Republicans, Fox News and the conservative media invented one: The pollsters were conspiring with the mainstream media to defraud conservatives. More specifically, the theory went, polls were showing Democrats outnumbering Republicans by a six- or seven-point margin. There’s no way that could be true, conservatives told themselves.

In one sense, it was the perfect explanation. It appealed to the GOP’s inherent distrust of experts who tell them things they don’t want to hear, and also played to their longstanding anger at the media. Eventually, though, all such explanations get “trued up” against reality. And in reality, Democrats did end up with a six-point turnout advantage over Republicans, just as predicted.

This was not Mitt Romney’s fault. Quite the contrary. From the beginning, Romney was the only GOP candidate who was even faintly plausible as president. Would Newt Gingrich have done better? Rick Santorum? Bachmann? Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Please. The blowout would have been epic.

Yes, Romney did pivot from “severely conservative” to moderate right before the first debate, and some in his party will now try to attribute his defeat to that decision. You know the drill: “He was a RINO, and RINOs always lose.” That easy excuse ignores the fact that Romney made that pivot because his “severely conservative” persona was getting killed in the polls at the time. When he changed, the polls changed. This race was close at the end only because he ditched conservatism and embraced moderation.

But here’s where the evidence gets incontrovertible: Last night, the GOP put up a viable Senate candidate in 17 states; most of those 17 candidates ran well to the right of Romney. If conservatism was a winning message, they should have done better with voters than the moderate Romney did.

The exact opposite proved true. In 12 of those 17 states, Romney outperformed the conservative Senate candidate. In six states, Romney outperformed the GOP Senate candidate by a double-digit margin. In five states, Romney outperformed the Republican Senate candidate by 15 points or more.

And the five GOP Senate candidates who did better in their states than Romney?* Every single one ran as a moderate. Overall, voters rejected conservatism, and “moderate Mitt” deserves great credit for squeezing every vote possible out of a tough situation.

But every vote possible wasn’t enough.

The country has changed; the GOP has not.
Republicans lost badly among Latino voters, black voters, gay voters, Jewish voters and women. They once again did quite well among white voters, who comprised 72 percent of the electorate. But that’s down from 74 percent in 2008, which was down from 77 percent in 2004, which was down from 80 percent in 2000.

Does anybody see a trend in those numbers?

But other numbers are just as daunting. In exit polls yesterday, 74 percent of Republican voters said that they believe illegal immigrants should be deported instead of offered a chance at citizenship. That is clearly a core issue for the GOP base. Yet overall, just 29 percent of Americans share that opinion.

How do you convince that 74 percent of Republicans that their party has to change and change pretty dramatically if it’s to compete in the emerging America? How do you convince them that they have to break out of the lily-white political ghetto in which they’ve confined themselves?

It’s going to take leadership. It’s going to take people such as Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal and Jeb Bush and Chris Christie telling hard truths to a base that has often found ingenious ways to avoid hard truths. It’s going to take a willingness to compromise and a willingness to change and a willingness to confront the talk-radio hosts and special interest groups who see no personal benefit to such change.

Overall, the narrowness of the GOP defeat in the presidential race disguises just how significant this election really was. The ground was prepared perfectly for a major GOP victory — everything was in place — and the opposite happened. And it’s not something new. In the last six presidential cycles, the GOP candidate has won a plurality of votes just once. That was George W. Bush in 2004, riding the fumes of his post-9/11 performance.

This was a message election, in terms of both ideology and demography, and from here on out that message is going to be restated louder and louder and louder until the Republican Party finds a way to respond to it.

– Jay Bookman

*The states in question are Connecticut, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico.

665 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
8:23 am

Not that many GOP supporters want to hear this from you, but

It’s going to take people such as Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal and Jeb Bush and Chris Christie telling hard truths to a base that has found often ingenious ways to avoid hard truths.

…lotta truth to that.

Obama

November 7th, 2012
8:24 am

Sweet revenge. I will deliver sweet revenge….

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
8:25 am

to all you out-of-touch deluded conservatives….

SUCK IT, LOSERS!!!!

Mick

November 7th, 2012
8:25 am

Excellent post election analysis…thanks

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
8:26 am

I hope the message is received but I doubt it. We will hear the same tired claims about the economy and Obama that the people have rejected. And I hope Trump has a nice long visit with the FBI.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:27 am

The GOP cannot win the Hispanic vote

Once lost, always lost. It will likely end up like the black vote.

So we will have democrat presidents for the foreseeable future.

Plan accordingly.

Georgia on my mind...

November 7th, 2012
8:27 am

Excellent article!

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
8:28 am

Off topic:

Meanwhile, there is going to be some seriously down-and-dirty politicking during the lame duck period to hammer out a budget deal. I assume that a lot of superPAC money will be thrown at purplish Congressional districts to get House members to go one way or another.

I honestly don’t see how Obama, Reid and Pelosi can do anything but not just play along but actively manage it to get a decent piece of legislation passed that doesn’t sell out the legacies of FDR (Social Security) and LBJ (Medicare).

wowzer

November 7th, 2012
8:29 am

I only hope the republican base can accept the facts and not continue the stalemate political tactics of the last four years.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
8:29 am

Now thta the Republicans have failed MISERABLY in their main stated goal, to make Obama a one term President, will they actually sit down and do their jobs and fulfill their sacred obligation to this Country?

Does ANYONE hold out hope in the Republicans doing anything other than remaining traitors?

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:29 am

Thanks Jay — I got my coffee warmed up before reading this one and you’re brilliant as usual!

:)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
8:30 am

Time to end the filibuster.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
8:30 am

The GOP cannot win the Hispanic vote

Sure they can. They can stop acting racist and crazy. It’ll take time but regaining your reputation always does.

Ball’s in your court GOP.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 7th, 2012
8:30 am

“t’s going to take leadership. It’s going to take people such as Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal and Jeb Bush and Chris Christie telling hard truths to a base that has found often ingenious ways to avoid hard truths. It’s going to take a willingness to compromise and a willingness to change and a willingness to confront the talk-radio hosts and special interest groups who see no personal benefit to such change.”

Especially well said, Jay, but until more of my generation dies off, I don’t believe there will be any compromise. I just hope the GOP remembers that 2014 is just around the corner and if they don’t play ball now, there may be no game left come ‘14.

Rebar

November 7th, 2012
8:30 am

Now should be a time to come together for the good of the nation; we’ll see how many of the cons can swallow their pride and learn to compromise.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
8:31 am

Message to Sheldon Adelson:

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Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:31 am

Foxy lady, keepin it classy

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November 7th, 2012
8:31 am

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Old and Angry White Republican

November 7th, 2012
8:32 am

Glenn Beck is crying again

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 7th, 2012
8:32 am

Jay thanks for all you do.

I cant imagine waking up this morning and having to come to work knowing that Mitt Romney would soon be President.

Gonna be a good day.

I SEE RED PEOPLE

November 7th, 2012
8:33 am

Republican pundits lamenting the fact that their candidate was not conservative enough. Tea Party II, coming soon to a theater near you.

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Scrivener

November 7th, 2012
8:33 am

The reason Obama was re-elected was, A, the storm hit, and B, the media refused to cover the bad economy accurately (can be clearly demonstrated by comparison’s to the Bush economy) and virtually no coverage of Fast and Furious or the Benghazi scandal. The scandals won’t be going away, folks, just because the election is over, and it won’t look good for Obama.

mm

November 7th, 2012
8:33 am

You cons better change your ways if you ever want to win another election. In 2014 the house will be blue,

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
8:34 am

“The country has changed; the GOP has not. Republicans lost badly among Latino voters, black voters, gay voters, Jewish voters and women. They once again did quite well among white voters, who comprised 72 percent of the electorate. But that’s down from 74 percent in 2008, which was down from 77 percent in 2004, which was down from 80 percent in 2000.”

AND WOMEN. AND WOMEN. Ignore those words at your peril, GOP.

you voted against us, against our equality … hell, against our autonomy … and you’ve paid the price. You pretended that the war on women was just a figment of our imagination – it was not. we can smell BS a mile away – and we smelled it on you.

The righties’ reaction on the blog today reminds me of the guys who are shot down when they ask a girl for a date, who then say “bet she’s a lesbian.” Guys – it’s not your country that’s the problem. It’s your party. We’re just not that into extremism or in taking the country back 50 years where civil rights are concerned. Clean your house then we’ll talk.

Brad Steel

November 7th, 2012
8:34 am

It’s going to take people such as Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal and Jeb Bush and Chris Christie telling hard truths to a base that has found often ingenious ways to avoid hard truths. It’s going to take a willingness to compromise and a willingness to change and a willingness to confront the talk-radio hosts and special interest groups who see no personal benefit to such change.

yeah, right. that’s gonna happen. take away these cranky babies’ pacifiers and they will just cry louder.

no way andy of the moderate ‘pubs have the fortitude to take on the blowhards at FOX and on the AM hate frequencies.

expect more of the same form the ‘pubs and more blow-out elections….. and these losers will have to keep sucking it.

LMAO!

November 7th, 2012
8:34 am

“The reason Obama was re-elected was, A, the storm hit”

LMAO!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
8:35 am

It appealed to the GOP’s inherent distrust of experts who tell them things they don’t want to hear

Yes, the wingnuts are not going to learn a thing from this.

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
8:35 am

Right on the mark, Jay.

The Republican Party needs an intervention.

Mick

November 7th, 2012
8:35 am

jm

Actually, repubs can get the latino vote but marco rubio is not the answer. Also, please ditch karl rove, enough of him already. Saw him on fox last nite when he pulled his stunt about ohio. Turd blossom, well said W…

Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:35 am

Aquagirl, keep dreaming

GOP won’t sign on for Amnesty, democrats will insist on amnesty

Illegals will be the punching bag and democrats will win the Latino vote in large part like they did this time

When amnesty happens, 12 million new voters will swing the tide even further

It’s over for the near and intermediate future

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
8:36 am

Jm, keep sucking it, loser!!!!

Mike

November 7th, 2012
8:37 am

If they had not run their Teapublicans or as some say the rapepublicans in many of the races they might have won the senate. On social issues they lose every time when their soft sell gets exposed for what it really is. As for the economy, economic conservatism in practice has never worked. It sounds good but when it keeps being taken to it’s extremes and it faces reality it fails every time. Look on the bright side GOP, you no longer have to pretend to like Willard though!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
8:37 am

Will someone let me know when Rush is leaving the country…. I’d like to waive goodbye to his plane at the airport and say “See ya”.

Jm… weren’t you going to Singapore?

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:37 am

Question: should the GOP go ahead and rename its moniker as OWP (Old White People)… whaddya think Cons???

:)

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BW

November 7th, 2012
8:38 am

Jay

Mitch McConnell has not gotten the message and he’s up for re-election in 2014 to say nothing about Boehner….this will be a fun ride over the next 90 days

Peadawg

November 7th, 2012
8:38 am

“voters in Maine and Maryland approved measures legalizing gay marriage. In Washington, a measure to legalize gay marriage may also be approved once final votes are counted. In Minnesota, voters rejected a measure that would ban gay marriage. In Wisconsin, voters elected the nation’s first openly gay person to the Senate. And in Colorado and Washington, voters easily approved the recreational use of marijuana.”

I love everything about this paragraph.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:38 am

Anybody know what Obama plans to achieve in the next four years other than raising taxes on the wealthy?

It’s pretty clear that’s his only open objective….

vietnam vet

November 7th, 2012
8:38 am

Excellent article, Jay. The GOP will never change as long as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove and Grover Norquist remain the de facto heads of the party. Hate, fear, intolerance and ignorance have been the winning formula for the party for too long. It’s in their DNA, change is not. Today they will load their guns and begin the circular firing squad.

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
8:40 am

“The reason Obama was re-elected was, A, the storm hit, and B, the media refused to cover the bad economy accurately (can be clearly demonstrated by comparison’s to the Bush economy) and virtually no coverage of Fast and Furious or the Benghazi scandal. The scandals won’t be going away, folks, just because the election is over, and it won’t look good for Obama.”

DENIAL is part of the grieving process.

Btw “Scrivener”, new name?

indigo

November 7th, 2012
8:41 am

America is changing, and will continue to do so. Since all the Republican politicians care about is getting elected and re-elected, change will be relatively easy for them.

Trying to change to extreme far-right mindset of their loyal voters, which the Party has done with such ardor,is another matter. It will take some skilled brainwashing and propaganda to pull these tools toward the center.

Watching the Party trying to dig itself out of a deep ideological hole will be something to see. The 180,s, mental gymnastics and lies needed to do this will approach some kind of record.

gm

November 7th, 2012
8:41 am

Mitt the liar lost where he worked(Mass) where he was born(Mich) hey southerner white males, dont you think they knew him better?

bottomline

November 7th, 2012
8:41 am

Bottom line …. we have a divided country. The popular vote shows that 50 million+ people wanted Obama and 50 million+ people wanted Romney. It is the job of the President to bring us together.

Mike

November 7th, 2012
8:42 am

The President and Harry Reid should now point out every day how the GOP house is obstructing, blocking Judge appointments, blocking the Jobs bill, etc.. make the people see how they will continue to try and sabotage this country for their partisan extreme agenda. Then in 2014 things may really get interesting for the GOP out in the wilderness.

Boris

November 7th, 2012
8:42 am

I register and vote Republican. I did not vote for Romney this year. I believe that both major parties need to move in a libertarian direction if they want to grasp the sense of most Americans: stop trying to control our every decision and give us the freedom to choose what we want, whether it is to use marijuana, own a gun, marry an alien, or worship God on Thursday night instead of Sunday morning.

the cat

November 7th, 2012
8:42 am

I would not be surprised if Rush, boortz, hannity et al voted for Obama so they would have something to b itch about.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
8:43 am

Peadawg – 8:38 – haha … no kidding!

“Will someone let me know when Rush is leaving the country…. I’d like to waive goodbye to his plane at the airport and say “See ya”.”

I’m willing to help him pack. Of course, I may leave the bottle of shampoo open, but that would be an accident. really.

Rabbit

November 7th, 2012
8:44 am

The “base” of the Republican party needs to be recentered. It left us and swung into angry, teasoaked talk radio land. There is a willing right-middle for the taking, but the alienating social issues are muddling the long standing fiscal message of the party. This doesn’t mean the Ryan/Rand fiscal message, but a message that Richard Lugar and an unchained Mitt Romney can and should help the upcoming leaders sell back to the faithful.
It will be a painful and probably nasty break to leave the far right, but the coalition has failed.

Mr. Snarky

November 7th, 2012
8:44 am

The poll were skewed for the dems, but only the polling yesterday, and it was the only one that counted.

gm

November 7th, 2012
8:44 am

This election shows you can tell a bunch of southerners conservatives white male anything, these gomers continue to live in the 20th century, while the world and nation moved on.

I SEE RED PEOPLE

November 7th, 2012
8:44 am

Obama didn’t take 60% of the national vote or 350 electoral votes because:
a) he snoozed through the first debate and b) Hannity nailed him good many, many times.

See how ridiculous it sounds in reverse?

East Lake Ira

November 7th, 2012
8:45 am

Largest re-election margin since Reagan.

Elections have consequenses.

Let the House take the heat for taxes going up and sequestration.

Keep your feet on the gas Dems!

Fat Old Angry White Republican

November 7th, 2012
8:45 am

Boris:

I married an alien, ain’t all that great actually.

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Morrus

November 7th, 2012
8:46 am

“lily white political ghetto”, my new favorite way to describe them. Cheers! Jay for another gracious rendering of the facts.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:46 am

Mike @ 8:42 — great assessment… it will be very interesting to see who rises to the top of the GOP slate in 2 more years!

:)

Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:46 am

Anyone know obama’s plans for the next four years other than raising the taxes in the rich?

Good times

Jeff

November 7th, 2012
8:46 am

Reading the CONservative media, I see them making excuses. Boortz whinning about the parasites, National Review stating Ohio was going to be tough, yet all before Rush, Beck and the other rightwing nuts were talking about how the dems votes would be depressed. Rush stating how he could not imaging how Obama could get anywhere near the vote turnout from 2008.
Cognitive dissonance is rampant on the right. It is always someone elses fault, nothing of what they are doing or saying. They are incapable of self reflection, and are doomed to failure for a generation unless something changes.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
8:46 am

UK inner @ 8:34….Word E. McWord.

I’m sure we’ve not heard the last of men screaming ‘I’ll tell you when there’s a war on wimmen, b!tch!”

cookie eater

November 7th, 2012
8:46 am

Wait, wait….NOW the msm is saying the polls were actually correct the whole time?

That means that Ron Paul who was beating Obama in a one on one situation in many polls was actually electable. Sucks to be part of the GOP right now.

oh well congrats to mr. obama, would rather have 4 more yrs of him than 8 more years of his white clone.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:47 am

Snarky @ 8:44 — :)

TaxPayer

November 7th, 2012
8:48 am

Republicans should not waste de feet on de nile.

Mick

November 7th, 2012
8:48 am

“One of the many reasons that the conservative movement is in such deep trouble is that those who were wrong here will suffer no consequences and those who knew the truth will receive no benefit.” john zeigler

Boris

November 7th, 2012
8:48 am

Fat Old Angry White American – But at least you still had the choice.

Edward

November 7th, 2012
8:48 am

I wonder if Delta will need to add some planes to accommodate all the people like Jm leaving the country? Maybe some specially chartered flights, so the rest of us can go wave them off.

morgan

November 7th, 2012
8:48 am

I disagree Jay, the Republican party needs to continue doing exactly what they are doing. This at least goes a long way to insuring that we maintain at least a two party system. They need to continue to let the ultra conservatives retain control and make their decision of how they present themselves to the voting public. Heck, I am hoping the will give even more control to the tea party people, ultra right wing religious and the rich white guys. The last thing we need is to have them cloak themselves in sheep’s clothing and rhetoric that people want to hear and perhaps actually believe. We need them to continue to show their true colors of being of the fascist totalitarian’s that want the the top few percent to control everything in the country based on what they think and believe. I am hoping they take this as a warning they need to strengthen the ties to those type of groups, not weaken them!

Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:49 am

Apparently the liberals on here don’t know obama’s plans.

Figures

Tax the rich! Best platform ever, if you’re a socialist country.

Rabbit

November 7th, 2012
8:49 am

…and Danny.
The claim that the media didn’t cover the issues correctly is weak. Fox is the most watched of all the news channels. If you browse the internet for news articles at any time over the last four years there are articles bemoaning the slow return from the abyss. Of course, rational thinkers understand that some injuries take longer to heal than others.

Jerome Horwitz

November 7th, 2012
8:49 am

Great Day to be an American. Watched the returns with an old friend plus some new ones – a majority who were women. They were quite adamant about the Republicans stomping on the rights of women and it was key in their thinking.

And where is our friend Bill Orvis White. We need his analysis of last night.

Bill

November 7th, 2012
8:50 am

“How do you convince that 74 percent of Republicans that their party has to change and change pretty dramatically if it’s to compete in the emerging America? How do you convince them that they have to break out of the lily-white political ghetto in which they’ve confined themselves?”

Stated more succinctly, how do you open the minds of closed-minded people?

michael

November 7th, 2012
8:50 am

Amen Jay, and Viet Vet you are right on. And Scrivener, just keep watching Fox news for your scandals while the rest of us move on and your stuck in time.

Robert

November 7th, 2012
8:50 am

“Would Newt Gingrich have done better? Rick Santorum? Bachmann? Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Please. The blowout would have been epic.”

Ummm… What about Ron Paul?

Nat Silver

November 7th, 2012
8:51 am

How was my polling results?

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
8:52 am

Hey, where’s RB, Kayaker, USMC, Mighty Righty, Scout, Donovan , etc… to tell us how awesome Romney is and how “Obozo” doesn’t stand a chance?

H.E. Pennypacker

November 7th, 2012
8:52 am

I will be writing a letter to my two Georgia GOP Senators and my GOP member of Congress and implore them to work with the President for the betterment of our great country. I invite others to join me.

real john

November 7th, 2012
8:52 am

The night is darkest before the dawn…

After Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schummer destroy the American economy, the GOP will reign for the following decade. Unfortunately it may be to late by the time this train wreck is finished.

Italy and Greece are perfect examples of spineless leaders who over promise things that eventually have to be paid for. The situation in those countries is getting worse and reports are they are taking it out on immigrants because they are sucking up financial resources. Its only going to get worse there. The US is about 4-5 years behind.

Just look at Clayton County, they just reelected a man that has 34 pending felonies against him…Of course this county also voted heavily for Obama. That tells you a lot about the Obama electorate.

JBD

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

I am a young educated professional and am economically conservative but socially liberal more in line with liberterian beliefs than republican. I dont have any stats to back myself up but I believe there is a large portion of my generation that are the same way. I choose to vote republican because I rate the economic issues more prevalent than the social ones but how many people like me vote democrate because they have a different priority of issues. Im pro choice, pro marijuana if that floats your boat, and I believe immigration reform is needed but the immigration history of America should be embraced. The republicans choose to be the personal freedoms party for the economy but abandon it with social issues that affect many peoples vote.

smike

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

Would Newt Gingrich have done better? Rick Santorum? Bachmann? Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Please.

*COUGH*Huntsman*COUGH*

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

“Fat Old Angry White American”

Boris — so that’s FOAWA instead of GOP… a little long but very descriptive! :)

JBD

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

I am a young educated professional and am economically conservative but socially liberal more in line with liberterian beliefs than republican. I dont have any stats to back myself up but I believe there is a large portion of my generation that are the same way. I choose to vote republican because I rate the economic issues more prevalent than the social ones but how many people like me vote democrate because they have a different priority of issues. Im pro choice, pro marijuana if that floats your boat, and I believe immigration reform is needed but the immigration history of America should be embraced. The republicans choose to be the personal freedoms party for the economy but abandon it with social issues that affect many peoples vote.

Mick

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

jm

Going back to the clinton tax rate of the 90’s certainly didn’t push us into the socialist column. The sky is not falling and 4% will not bankrupt them…

rc

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

It’s over you can spew your liberal crap as long as you like but the Republic lost and the moochers parasites and looters won.
When the masses learn they can vote themselves largess from the treasury it’s over.

I can’t deal with stupidity!

East Lake Ira

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

jm – here you go, please read it and stop whining.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blueprint

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
8:53 am

Jm

November 7th, 2012
8:49 am

Apparently the liberals on here don’t know obama’s plans.

Figures

Tax the rich! Best platform ever, if you’re a socialist country.
++++++++++++++++++

Poor JM is lost. his talk radio puppet masters haven’t told him what to think yet so all he can do is double down on the stupid, repeat and recycle the old bumper sticker lies……….

Jeff

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

Did anyone see Karl Rove idiocy last night. Way funny. :D

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

#1 Foxy Lady is the Reason for the Season!

Dsign

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

For the first time in my life I am afraid. Not of President Obama, because we will survive him. He is simply the focus. In spite of all the facts indicating that the country is in trouble and that President Obama’s policies are the central reason. In spite of the fact that most people admitted that they did not trust him to fix our problems, he was reelected. We have become a greedy mob without a brain believing the gravy train will never end.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

GOP won’t sign on for Amnesty, democrats will insist on amnesty

JM, I’ve asked cons repeatedly for some SANE plan to deal with illegal immigration.

Magic deportation machines and magic impervious fences do not exist in the real world. If the GOP wants to claim some a-hole snottery as moral high ground they’re welcome to it. I don’t think deporting someone who came here fleeing the drug war and extreme poverty is a whoohoo moment of virtue. The same with deportation of a woman brought here by her parents when she was 4 years old.

Watching people who think they’re so damned righteous sink under the waves of history will be a great moment in America. Fright-wingers aren’t morally superior, they’re bitter, angry, creepy a-holes.

Good riddance.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

“Great Day to be an American. ”

G’morning Jerome! :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

So much for No sock-puppet Wednesday.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
8:54 am

real john – “That tells you a lot about the Obama electorate.”

Like what, that their candidate won?

Nat Silver

November 7th, 2012
8:55 am

real john

November 7th, 2012
8:52 am

and Georgia elected Nathan Deal. He resigned before charges could be brought..and look at the issues that is going on in Gwinnett County…what is your point? and Gwinnett went for Mitt Romney!

gm

November 7th, 2012
8:55 am

Obama wins Florida, hey right wing nut jobs anymore ideas to suppress the vote?

Adam

November 7th, 2012
8:55 am

For the record, this would be the “I Told You So” thread. Prepare for deluge.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
8:56 am

Jm, do you need us to call 9-1-1. You are trapped in a paper bag and can’t find your way out?

Jm is still searching for Obama’s plan…… the one that was posted on Obama’s website? No wonder he has not found those flights to Singapore yet.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:56 am

“I will be writing a letter to my two Georgia GOP Senators and my GOP member of Congress and implore them to work with the President for the betterment of our great country. I invite others to join me.”

Woo-hoo, H.E.P. — now we’re talkin’! “)

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
8:56 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
8:52 am

Hey, where’s RB, Kayaker, USMC, Mighty Righty, Scout, Donovan , etc… to tell us how awesome Romney is and how “Obozo” doesn’t stand a chance?
++++++++++++++++

They are here Butch, they just lack the balls to post under their regular names.

smike

November 7th, 2012
8:56 am

@Robert >>Ummm… What about Ron Paul?

Please. Huntsman was the only viable GOP candidate, and the conservative base wanted absolutely nothing to do with him.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
8:56 am

rc – “I can’t deal with stupidity!”

Neither could half the country, that’s why Mitt lost.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
8:57 am

Trump calling for a revolution?

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:57 am

“hey right wing nut jobs anymore ideas to suppress the vote?”

gm — ain’t America great??? :)

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 7th, 2012
8:57 am

“Why 2012 election was a message election”
.
The message is the same one that the good people of the USSR were getting around 1992.
.
It will be the same result.
and the world will be better off for it.

bozzman

November 7th, 2012
8:57 am

Well done article. I am a Republican voter, but I do not like the ultra-conservative views of some of the Party. What is really the deeper problem is on both sides. I read comments like “Suck It” and others that are indicative of the division of this country. Instead of gloating over the victory and trying to rub each other’s face in it or bemoan why Romney lost and blame it fake polls and loaded voting, lets look at the things that divided us. On both sides it was extreme views that made us choose the other. On both sides it was “my way or the highway”. This is a chance to listen to what the other side and improve this country for all of us. We have become a very selfish and entitled nation. It is killing this great country. Stop bashing and start working together.

Rabbit

November 7th, 2012
8:57 am

The President’s plans, Jm?
Implement Obamacare and reduce overall health costs. Wrestle with what is hopefully a more rational congress to promote new economies that will promote jobs. Counteract stupid state efforts that try to turn education over to corporations. Yes, tax reform.
Improve domestic oil production and (back to those new economies) promote battery technology, fuel efficiency, and fund research and technology to reduce greenhouse gases.
Help coastal areas develop (job creating) plans to combat rising sea levels.
Find a Secretary of State as good as Hilary to continue to work with the world on the big problems out there.
Here’s a tip. Turn off the radio and pick up several publications to read: be sure they represent several points of view so you can begin to make your own opinion instead of adopting one from the spinmasters.

real john

November 7th, 2012
8:58 am

Jay, here is my take on the election.

1. African American’s will vote Democrate NO Matter what..Black unemployment is through the roof. Blacks are far worse off financially than four years ago, but they will vote for “their” candidate no matter what he did or said.

2. Latinos will vote for the Dems because the Repubs are the only ones trying to do something about our rampant illegal immigration problem. Of course the Dems don’t want to do anything about it, they just want their votes.

3. Jews..I have no idea why they vote for this man. He has not had anything nice to say about Isreal.

I guess since I’m a white, heterosexual male I’m considered the enemy by the Democratic party.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
8:58 am

Jm

Put the rum punch down. You will be alright, just put down it down. All those little umbrellas must be adding up by now.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
8:59 am

just put it down………..

Heck, maybe I need some of that punch

:-)

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
8:59 am

Reince Priebus is a JOKE! The Republicans found out in exit polls that the people understand that the problems we are digging out of are directly related to the policies they espoused preceding President Obama’s first term. This is the reason why they wouldn’t touch the two term Republican president or ask him to do any appearances or high profile endorsements. This election is a sound rejection by an emerging demographic that said the real politics of division is what the Republicans represent, small tent politics.
This should once and for all put down the neocon warmongering side of the right and send a clear message to the Tea People that their politics are not national level politics.

Now Dick Cheney and his daughter can slink back into their hole never to be players again. Rush Limp…’s can continue his appeal to his Honey Boo Boo radio audience, and Sean Hannity can continue his ignorant racist appeals.

There is a story that was told about an early battle where the General kept sending his men forth to die because he refused to accept the superiority of the crossbow. Republicans this is your crossbow moment.

Republicans you are out of the mainstream and out of the White House for FOUR MORE YEARS!!! And did I mention Reince Priebus is a JOKE!

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
8:59 am

bozzman

November 7th, 2012
8:57 am

On both sides it was extreme views that made us choose the other. On both sides it was “my way or the highway”.
++++++++++++++++++++

No it wasn’t. The Republicans are on record MANY TIMES saying that their main goal was to make Obama a one term President. They refused to negotiate on ANY issue.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:00 am

real john – “I guess since I’m a white, heterosexual male I’m considered the enemy by the Democratic party.”

Not at all, your free to vote for one of their candidates anytime you want to.

smike

November 7th, 2012
9:00 am

>>We have become a greedy mob without a brain believing the gravy train will never end.

If we were really that greedy, we would have voted for Romney. He was the one promising big tax cuts for everyone.

333

November 7th, 2012
9:00 am

Gloat, you delusional fools—and watch our once great Republic become the land of Federalism. Get used to that hand on your shoulder guiding your every move—enjoy.

Jay

November 7th, 2012
9:00 am

Yes, Jeff, I did witness that Karl Rove meltdown over Ohio. It was epic, bizarre television. Even Fox viewers had to be stunned by his refusal to acknowledge reality.

Jerome Horwitz

November 7th, 2012
9:01 am

Good Morning Goldie! The sun is shining in our world today!

We watched the returns with some friends last night. We rattled the floor when the announcement was made.

Dunwoody Granny

November 7th, 2012
9:01 am

A little bit of a repudiation of “government of older white men, by older white men, for older white men” by the portion of the electorate” that’s younger, darker, and less likely to think “legitimate” and “rape” belong in the same sentence.

Also, GM is still alive and OBL is now dead. Results matter.

But let’s not kid ourselves. There’s also the power of incumbency and the advantage of not having to go through a bruising primary season.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
9:01 am

Thulsa

If you are on, I guess that Romney surge and potential victory you were speaking about fizzled……….

:-)

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:02 am

“I guess since I’m a white, heterosexual male I’m considered the enemy by the Democratic party.”

Unreal John — you forgot to insert “with his eyes closed” after the word male.

You’re welcome! :)

howard emmons

November 7th, 2012
9:02 am

Well, thank God, Fox News, Karl Rove and Rush all secretly work for the Democratic Party…the depiction of Republicans as lunatics will secure their Democratic team victories for decades to come…what an asset to the Democratic Party!

ap

November 7th, 2012
9:02 am

Funny how He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named is still not named even after this election. And the reason is precisely what this article refers to: The Republican old guard must realize that the platform W ran on no longer resonates. And the reason this writer doesn’t include Ron Paul in his list of those he thinks the public could not imagine as president is because Ron Paul’s unifying message of liberty is the very winning message the Republican party should embrace. Status quo politics (R and D) is about personalities seeking power, taxpayer-funded special interests, and government control wherever possible. The message of liberty will end that cycle. While Dr. Paul is retiring, there’s an inspired groundswell of young, intelligent, future-minded Americans ready to defend the cause, and a few in the electorate to take the challenge.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:02 am

Aquagirl

D’s and R’s are light years apart

Immigration reform may happen, it won’t help the republicans

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
9:03 am

Lets show some compassion for our Republican friends. They are grieving right now, and the Republican way of dealing with grief is very difficult.

The 7 stages of Republican grief are…

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Negotiation
4. Anger
5. Fox News marathon
6. Denial
7. Finally, 4 years of Anger

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:03 am

Jm. the Republican’s can choose to help illegal aliens become legal…… The Latino’s are a hard working group, they are the only group willing to work the fields in Georgia, where farmers lost millions on crops that never got picked.

They are the guys cutting the Rich Republican lawns….. They are growing in number, and the tax revenue will be wonderful as a way to cut the deficit.

White Republican males are the same demographic that are the Boy Scout leaders under fire, the one’s responsible for the under age sex trade…….. all at the same time wanting to tell women if they get rapped it is a blessing from God.

Time to wake up…and the South that was once a Republican strong hold, will slowly become a mixed bag as the voting population changes.

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
9:03 am

@jm

Hey buddy if you’re not happy here in what you term this socialist country last time I checked there were other country’s for you to live in.

Like the say, “Don’t go away mad just go away.”

moonbat betty

November 7th, 2012
9:03 am

Well, I picked up a spicy crow biscuit from Chik-Fil-a this morning and it was damn good!

Congrats to Obama and the liberals, but I doubt we are going to have a one party system any time soon.

Hope he is more effective as a leader this go around, but don’t hold your breath.

fedup

November 7th, 2012
9:04 am

Yes, I watched Karl Rove last night. So funny. I never watch Fox “News” unless the Republicans have lost a national election. And it was so worth it last night. Watching them being forced to accept reality and watching Rove struggle to prevent it was great. And very satisfying.

straitroad

November 7th, 2012
9:04 am

This election came down to a few things. 1) There are a lot of people on the tax payer dime and they vote. 2) The media is a powerful tool and it deflected long enough on several issues (gas prices, benghazi, debt). 3) Division – obama successfully divided enough people into groups and motivated them with fear and promises of other people’s stuff. Now that the election is over, he will do one of two things, go hard left and leave us with more of the same or take Clinton’s advice and be willing to work with the opposition to find common ground. Let’s hope it’s the latter.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

November 7th, 2012
9:04 am

Hety CONS you can all thank Bushie no one wanted to go back to that. ..LOL

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
9:05 am

moonbat

Have an awesome day

H.E. Pennypacker

November 7th, 2012
9:05 am

Last night Karl Rove was like Randolph Duke at the end of Trading Places when he lost all of his money yelling to turn the machines back on as they wheeled out his brother on a stretcher.

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:05 am

What about Ron Paul?

His age, and the fact he does not beleive in a big military and controlling the world….. Republican’s in general do not like him.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:05 am

DannyX @ 9:03 — :) :) :)

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

November 7th, 2012
9:06 am

Maybe now Robme can outsource himself and take the rest of the Loser GOP/ Teaturds with him.

Peadawg

November 7th, 2012
9:07 am

“Clinton’s advice and be willing to work with the opposition to find common ground”

Compromise is a 2-way street. Hopefully the Republicans are able to work w/ Obama as well.

moonbat betty

November 7th, 2012
9:07 am

“White Republican males are the same demographic that are the Boy Scout leaders under fire, the one’s responsible for the under age sex trade…….. all at the same time wanting to tell women if they get rapped it is a blessing from God.”

Yeah, Peter, perhaps you can get Obama to deport all the Republican white males and legalize all the illegal aliens?

Hope and Change!

Kay

November 7th, 2012
9:07 am

The GOP lost because they tried to change Mitt Romney, they had this man so confused he didn’t know his own name at times, If he would have been the Governor of the past and not trying to please the Hardcore GOP and Tea Party, He might have won! GOP needs to stop looking like visiting day at the nursing home and more like the real america.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:08 am

I think we should band together as a team and look after JM. I think he needs outr help. Let’s keep him on a suicide watch to make sure he doesn’t harm himself.

We are here for you JM, let it all out. Share brother. Don’t hold it in. We want to help, just reach out we are here for you man………….

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

November 7th, 2012
9:08 am

Deport Grover and the Koch Bros.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:08 am

Now that the election is over, do you think that businesses will have enough “certainty” to start hiring again?

the cat

November 7th, 2012
9:08 am

Lifelong blue voting person here who would vote for a Huntsman.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

Yeah, Peter, perhaps you can get Obama to deport all the Republican white males and legalize all the illegal aliens?

Damn Betty, you may be on to something there. I like it.

Fedup

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

On foreign policy. Bibi go suck an egg. Obama will bring the runts in Iran to their miserable knees. They are already halfway there. And rich folks I hope your tax rates go up.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

I’m conservative

Stop debating abortion.

Stop arguing gay marriage.

Embrace the illegals that are here while coming up with a viable solution from more illegal immigrants crossing the border. I’m not sure how border protection isn’t a major concern for both parties, but apparently it isn’t.

Come up with a real solution for the deficit. Cutting foreign aid, which is less than 1% of the budget, isn’t a solution. Someone is going to have to tackle Medicaid/Medicare, Social Security, etc. Thing is, if someone actually tried to fix those problems, they’d be crucified by the other side.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

Jm

You picked GA and FL for Romney. You are one down and one to go. Hold on, man. You never know.

Keep track of the local news down there for the latest updates

:-)

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

“Hey, where’s RB, Kayaker, USMC, Mighty Righty, Scout, Donovan , etc… to tell us how awesome Romney is and how “Obozo” doesn’t stand a chance?”

with Unca Karl at the bottom of a scotch glass … 300+ electoral college votes my fuzzy white butt!!

Paul

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

“telling hard truths to a base that has found often ingenious ways to avoid hard truths”

I think that’s the key, Jay. That the base does not want to hear the truth and they’ve plenty of people telling them what they want to hear (whole those people continue to get rich by doing so).

Congrats, Jm. You are here, about the only regular from the conservative end of the spectrum, making your case.

What happened? Didn’t hear 0311 yell “Retreat!!!”?

moonbat betty

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

Thanks, TBs.

You do the same.

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
9:09 am

straitroad

November 7th, 2012
9:04 am

Stop it! The president has nothing to do with gas prices. and who doesn’t know about the debt? And thirdly, what is the time frame for having all the information about an attack in a non governed foreign land?

Grasshopper

November 7th, 2012
9:10 am

The message that I take out of this election is that half of the country doesn’t recognize poor leadership even when they live under it for four years. I’m not surprised by that though; half the country has lived with one hand out and the other over their eyes for a long time now.

For the next four years, whenever one of our liberties falls, whenever government grows even larger and more unresponsive, whenever federal taxes increase, I’ll simply say, “Thanks Ohio.”

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:10 am

Peter

November 7th, 2012
White Republican males are the same demographic that are the Boy Scout leaders under fire, the one’s responsible for the under age sex trade…….. all at the same time wanting to tell women if they get rapped it is a blessing from God
_________________________________

great argument. . . . . .

. . .

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:10 am

“The message is the same one that the good people of the USSR were getting around 1992.”

um. you mean that the GOP politics isn’t working and they need to get back to center?

yeah. I can agree with that.

nobodyyouknow

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am

Well Mr. Bookman congratulations. You and you media buddies did it again. You got your man in for a 2nd term. What a choice we had, Morman Mitt, and O,bama. A man no one seems to know alot about. Most people looked at Romney as another rich republican. (and thats what he is) O,bama is someone who we can connect with. One on our level.Just a common man. Nothing could be futher from the truth.. I wonder where all these “experts” are? The ones who said it would be a Romney landslide.I enjoy reading about politics. But I’m never goin to proclaim I,m an expert. As old and senile as I am I could see it was going to be close. There are so many people that depend on the government to get them through life. They want someone they think will not take the freebies from them. If one is well educated and has made his own success and wealthy, they just can’t relate. I hope the so-called experts that claim if O,bama was re-elected we would have a financial disaster. I pray they are wrong. God help us.

Tinkerella

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am

I was a lone wolf while I voted among the pickup trucks, camouflage, and gun racks yesterday. The only downside….no baby unicorn from Mitt as he promised me one.

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am

Karl Rove…. We haven’t counted Cats and Dogs as of yet !

WOW… will the Tabby’s and Chihuahua be part of it ?

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am

VIVA OBAMA……ROBME ES UN PENDEJO!

Fedup

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am

Lost MA, MI & WI. What a loooooooser.

A Moderate Independent

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am

The GOP went off and left me a long, long time ago. I think the Tea Party is the worst thing to ever happen to the GOP.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:12 am

Capitalism doesn’t like the result

Dow futures down 120 as of now

deegee

November 7th, 2012
9:12 am

The highlight of my night came around 10:30 when the irrelevant Karl Rove was explaining how Romney could still win 5 battleground states. When he was finished, the highly partisan Fox News anchor looked him in the eyes and said, “Are you saying this to make yourself feel better or do you have some basis in fact?” It was hilarious!!!

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michael

November 7th, 2012
9:12 am

kay you are right about that an until the GOP deals with their far right wing views like Jim Demint, Rove Limbaugh they will be in trouble. And I am a 60 some year old white male independent.

bookman parrot

November 7th, 2012
9:13 am

jay,
continues speaking in half-truths and inuendo. would not expect anything else.

what about foreign money dumped into BHO campaign. oh that is ok, because that is the side i (jay) support and anything goes and is ok when it is the side i (jay) support.

the message is, there is alot of people on the public dole and they want to continue there and the message is if you spin falseness enough, the foolish people will believe.

and you sir jay and your cohort are just plain better at it and have a few more foolish and simpleton people to work with.

i will help you out now, and say that if the economy still stinks in 4 years from now and the deficit is 25 trillion or more … it is Bush’s fault. you’re welcome!!!

i hope i’m wrong … time will tell …

lastly, what is truly disconcerting is the posts and ideology from the “tolerant/enlightened” that basically say the hell with everyone else, what’s in it for me, ….

Fedup

November 7th, 2012
9:13 am

Need to fix these voter fraud kicks these loser are in. If they fix that the house will flip to blue too.

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
9:13 am

real john

November 7th, 2012
8:58 am
“Jay, here is my take on the election.”

=============

Then you reduced everybody to a stereotype, and express your confusion as to why things did not work out as you expected.

Until you realize people are real individuals, you will continue to be confused. Try reality; it’s liberating!

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:13 am

Stuff to fix before 2014:

1. Citizens United
2. GOP governors who keep trying to suppress voters from voting
3. Tea Purity patriots needing lobotomies
4. Electoral College with “winner takes all” distribution of electors
5. Florida

:)

the cat

November 7th, 2012
9:14 am

I still want to see Lord High Hair Gel’s (thanks St. Simons for that name) taxes.

Mary Elizabeth

November 7th, 2012
9:14 am

Well analyzed and well stated article.

Consciousness has changed in Americans and so have America’s demographics. America will not see a return to an outdated perception of interpersonal dynamics based on hierarchy and on the control of the less fortunate through the wealth and power of the more fortunate, as was true with slavery and Jim Crow. Americans are becoming more egalitarian in their perceptions, just as our Founding Fathers had envisioned would happen to citizens within our nation, over time.

President Obama understands well that egalitarian vision, with both his head and his heart. Watch for him to try to enhance that consciousness through programs that will strenghten the working middle class, lift the under classes (especially through education), and foster an egalitarianism, as best he is able, throughout the world. If only Republicans will not remain intransigent toward him and his vision, as they have been in the past few years, America, under Obama’s leadership, will continue to move toward that “more perfect union” to which she was destined.

Simple Truths

November 7th, 2012
9:14 am

As the GOP thinks up new ideas on how to fix problems, perhaps they will drop the abortion issue. It is not a winning issue.

gm

November 7th, 2012
9:14 am

To the right wing conservatives is it time to get ride of losers like Dick Morris, Hannity, Rush the scum Limbaugh, Karl Rowe? , these angry white men time is up, no one under 30 listen to these people yet they have made millions off old angry white men of the south.

Where is Sara Palin, who has made millions off this party, do you get it now? rest of the country as moved to the 21 century.

Paul

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

USinUK

“300+ electoral college votes my fuzzy white butt!!”

http://tinyurl.com/c6blz72

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

Jm

If you are measuring the stock market based on one day’s results, you might not be as good of a finance & economics guy as you pretend to be.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

Tax the rich! Best platform ever, if you’re a socialist country.

Do you know what the tax rate was for the rich under JFK

77 percent.

Taxes on the rich are at historically low levels. Some pay little if any tax at all.

Heck Romney only pays 14 percent.

So spare me will ya.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

“The GOP went off and left me a long, long time ago.”

Moderate — you are the new GOP awakening… keep pushin’! :)

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

A Moderate Independent

November 7th, 2012
9:11 am
The GOP went off and left me a long, long time ago. I think the Tea Party is the worst thing to ever happen to the GOP.
___________________

I think the Tea Party, in the beginning, was a great idea. The idea of actually holding representatives accountable for financial decisions and shrinking government. . . but then they lost their minds. the idea of signing something pledging to never raise taxes. . . .

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

Jm Capitalism doesn’t like the result Dow futures down 120 as of now

Sorry to dispel your belief system….. Wall Street likes a Democrat in the white house……numbers will prove it in the end.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

“Fred”

I’m about to go speak to the crowd here in Chicago, but I wanted to thank you first.

I want you to know that this wasn’t fate, and it wasn’t an accident. You made this happen.

You organized yourselves block by block. You took ownership of this campaign five and ten dollars at a time. And when it wasn’t easy, you pressed forward.

I will spend the rest of my presidency honoring your support, and doing what I can to finish what we started.

But I want you to take real pride, as I do, in how we got the chance in the first place.

Today is the clearest proof yet that, against the odds, ordinary Americans can overcome powerful interests.

There’s a lot more work to do.

But for right now: Thank you.

Barack

What Happened to the Tea Party?

November 7th, 2012
9:15 am

Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh of Illinois… Goners!

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

First up: debt ceiling

tooltime234

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

stritroad you do realize we have almost no control over gas prices right? And there might be a lot of people on the tax payer dime that will vote straight democrat as you say but there are also a lot of intolerant rednecks that will vote straight republican so the gays cant get married. I don’t particularly like Obama but Romney seems like a bigot. I don’t think that really is what this country needs and it was telling in the election last night. I feel like if the Liberatrian party could put a strong charismatic canidate out there in the next election a lot more people are actually libertarian than liberal or conservative.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

“Capitalism doesn’t like the result

Dow futures down 120 as of now”

(shhhhhh … don’t anyone tell him about the fiscal cliff)

Fedup

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

bookman parrot

“what about foreign money dumped into BHO campaign. oh that is ok, because that is the side i (jay) support and anything goes and is ok when it is the side i (jay) support”
Addelson and Romney goes to Isreal and brings in bag full of money from the Cons over there. That is OK for you.

real john

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

Regnad Kcin:

Please dispute one thing I said. Obama overwhelmingly won the black, latino, and Jewish vote by HUGE margins. Even Jay mentioned it in his article. Those are ACTUAL, INDISPUTABLE FACTS.

will the "REAL" Mitt Romney please stand up

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

just thought that I would watch this one for the LAST time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE

East Lake Ira

November 7th, 2012
9:16 am

Boortz is losing it right now…

Hilarious!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:17 am

Flagboy — “Embrace the illegals that are here while coming up with a viable solution from more illegal immigrants crossing the border. I’m not sure how border protection isn’t a major concern for both parties, but apparently it isn’t.”

Actually, it is. The problem is that your party’s rhetoric on the topic consists of ‘We have GOT to do (insert wildly implausible solution here) or else our country will be OVERRUN by illegal brown people.’ To which Democrats respond ‘that’s not a very good idea.’ And then the Republicans say ‘you just LOVE illegals coming here and voting in our elections, you SNAKES.’

Consequently, the problem doesn’t get fixed. So drop the rhetoric and the demonizing, and let’s talk turkey. I’ve actually proposed a partial solution to the problem here several times, and some of our conservative posters have agreed that it’s a good approach. Perhaps we could bat it around; you might have some ideas on how to improve it.

midtownguy

November 7th, 2012
9:17 am

Looks like the “southern strategy” with it’s attack on black citizens first then gay citizens then “illegals” has come full circle. Yes, GOP, it won you the South. But it lost you America.

gm

November 7th, 2012
9:17 am

bin ladin just rose up and said “Dam I hate this guy”

Simple Truths

November 7th, 2012
9:17 am

Anyone heard from Redneck Convert? Is he sleeping off a monster bender?

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:17 am

As the GOP thinks up new ideas on how to fix problems, perhaps they will drop the abortion issue. It is not a winning issue.

Yes…….Since when do white males have the ” judging power ” over women in general ?

the cat

November 7th, 2012
9:18 am

Where is Ben Shockley???? hahahhahahahahahahahahha

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:18 am

IABF — “ROBME ES UN PENDEJO!”

I LOLed. :D

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:18 am

bookman parrot – “what is truly disconcerting is the posts and ideology from the “tolerant/enlightened” that basically say the hell with everyone else, what’s in it for me, ….”

Agreed, if the GOP and it’s supporters have any hope of winning in 2016, they will really need to change that message.

Why 2012 election was a message election

November 7th, 2012
9:18 am

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gm

November 7th, 2012
9:18 am

Hey bigot Neal B. how you like the thug from Chicago now?

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:18 am

First up: debt ceiling hey Jm.

Please tell us how many times Bush raised the debt ceiling during his 2 terms…..all while bankrupting America ?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:19 am

“Obama overwhelmingly won the black, latino, and Jewish vote by HUGE margins. Even Jay mentioned it in his article. Those are ACTUAL, INDISPUTABLE FACTS.”

yes. AND WOMEN.

if I was the GOP, I’d be taking a long, hard look at my platform and trying to figure out how long I can survive when I alienate so many people .

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:19 am

“Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh of Illinois… Goners!”

Woo-hooo — yep, we’re weeding out the loonies slowly but slowly!

:)

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:19 am

Peter 9:15 hilarious

Alright, talking to the dim is a waste of time

Democrats will probably rule for decades

Out

PartyTime

November 7th, 2012
9:19 am

Enjoy the next 4 years, i.e., you get what you pay for:
= higher unemployment
= higher taxes
= worsening economy
= rising cost of health insurance (aka, obamacare)
= speaking of obamacare = more taxes – just wait to see what you have to pay when you sell your house (one-time obamacare fee paid at closing – you’ll wish you had rented)
= less money in your paycheck (for those who still receive a paycheck)
= skyrocketing national debt (your kids and grandkids will have to pay off = less money in their paychecks assuming they have jobs = nothing left to take care of you)
= reduced government spending (how’s that going to impact “entitlements” aka govt. handouts?)
= what …….. family values? (I sort of remember hearing that term way back when …….)

ENJOY THE RIDE!!!!!!

Tundra Dude

November 7th, 2012
9:19 am

Karl Rove…. We haven’t counted Cats and Dogs as of yet !

and the BungWazi vote ain’t in yet….

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:19 am

WHttTea Party — “Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh of Illinois… Goners!”

And Alan Grayson of FL — back in! :D

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:20 am

Funny to see libs gloating about their victory and the “end of the GOP”. The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found. Electoral votes will continue to leave the blue states. Pelosi said herself that the dems would take back the house.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:20 am

“If you can’t beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party,” (Laura Ingraham) said. “Shut it down, start new, with new people because this is a give-me election, or at least it should be.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/laura-ingraham-to-republicans-%E2%80%98if-you-can%E2%80%99t-beat-barack-obama-then-shut-down-the-party%E2%80%99/

JamVet

November 7th, 2012
9:20 am

Republicans lost badly among … Jewish voters…

Right on, MOTs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtv5qe5o3c.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:20 am

J.H. Mama — como se dice “pendejo” in ingles? No comprendo… gracias!

:)

fred

November 7th, 2012
9:21 am

The challenge always facing all of us has to with creating the changes we want to see happen no matter what your political leanings are. Republicans have little tolerance for change and they actually value being rigid and immovable. Their reliance on violence and fear to achieve their ends hurts us all. As an older white man the changes have been liberating. May my white brothers and sisters who are willing to change step Forward!

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:21 am

At least JM has the balls to post under his real name (and maybe 3 or 4 others as well lol), thta’s more than you can say of the other dishonorable right wingers.

Moonbat Betty: I don’t consider you a right wing fanatical nutcase lol, just a regular old Republican, so you don’t fit in the dishonorable category. You have shown you can disagree without being a ‘richard.”

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:21 am

E. L. Ira — “Boortz is losing it right now… Hilarious!”

Hey, Neal!

Big Bird wants you to know that this election was brought to you by the letters F and U.

:D

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 7th, 2012
9:21 am

My fellow progressives, let’s not spike the ball or do any touchdown dances. Like it or not, to make this political system work, we need GOP help. We have to work together, so let’s not rub it in. There ARE big things that need to be addressed and at the risk of repeating myself, we don’t need animosity…

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:21 am

the cat – “Where is Ben Shockley????”

Where is Joseph?

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
9:21 am

To the right wing conservatives is it time to get ride of losers like Dick Morris, Hannity, Rush the scum Limbaugh, Karl Rowe?

That’s the problem with the fright-wing base tools. They can only keep ratings up and voters agitated by upping the ante. Next thing you know they’re out in lala land and even the most partisan hate-charged nuts start noticing what they’re hearing doesn’t match reality.

There’s a limited shelf life to Faux/talky radio and it’s expired. Karl Rove’s flameout last night was their Waterloo.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:22 am

Oh look up above, I have a wannabe……

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
9:22 am

Hey, where’s RB, Kayaker, USMC, Mighty Righty, Scout, Donovan , Butch etc…

These LOSERS are too busy SUCKING IT!!! to spew stupid, deluded solipsistic drivel…

What Happened to the Tea Party?

November 7th, 2012
9:22 am

Ann Marie Buerkle lost to Dan Maffei and Nan Hayworth was shut out by Sean Patrick Maloney.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:22 am

M. Man — “The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found.”

Maybe you should change your search parameters, because not a single one of the nitwits I saw on stage at those debates last winter was “viable.”

Jason

November 7th, 2012
9:22 am

I identify myself as a conservative but not a republican. The republicans don’t seem to want to include people such as myself so I am forced to vote democratic. Republicans have four years to get it together and realize that must of us live in the middle and if they don’t adapt they are done. Stop being decisive. We want so badly to vote republican but you seem to give us every reason not to.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:22 am

Partytime @ 9:19 — so what happened to your Party and “The Math” that was working so well for America? Any self-reflection or accountability at all from you???

:)

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:23 am

Joe. . . .”So drop the rhetoric and the demonizing, and let’s talk turkey”

Is this addressed to me?

howard emmons

November 7th, 2012
9:23 am

Well, thank God, Fox News, Carl Rove, and Rush are secret Democrats, their mission was to convince Americans that the Republican Party has gone “mad”, that they are a bunch of raving lunatics…I have to say they did an outstanding job! We can only hope they will keep up the good work!

Adam

November 7th, 2012
9:23 am

THE FALLEN:

Here lies the dead predictions of many on the right, who were just so far in the right wing bubble that they thought Obama would lose.

Jm
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/09/22/government-shutdown-again-looms-as-possibility/?cp=1#comment-731493
Granny 8:37 that’s fine. Continue.

And see the results in 2012
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/10/25/why-did-romney-react-so-harshly-to-news-of-iraqi-withdrawal/?cp=3#comment-763526
Obama is going to lose

Get used to it libs
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/04/04/what-the-georgia-legislature-got-right-in-2012/?cp=1#comment-915453
Game set match

Romney going to pummel Obama next

kayaker:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/02/03/jobless-data-critical-in-2012-political-campaign/?cp=1#comment-852297
Before you liberals start counting the votes in November, a few pesky statistics might help to explain the spin that Bozo and his gang hang on this all important parameter. According to the Bureau of Labor statistics, the following states still have unemployment above 8.5%….. IN,NJ,KY, MI, SC, GA, IL, FL, NC, DC (not a state),RI,CA,NV,WA,AZ,TN and OR. That’s 36% of the states that still are under water, according to Bozo. The new spin is 8.3% but has ignored all of those who have quit looking, They are conveniently removed from the roles of the unemployed after an extended period to massage the numbers. Real unemployment, if you crank in all of the parameters, could reach as much as 12-14%. Blacks still are the highest with black youth running about 40% in some parts of the country.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/09/08/gallup-documents-good-post-convention-jump-for-obama/?cp=3#comment-1068014
Romney 320 electoral votes. He will take all of the “swing states”. America is not that stupid.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/09/08/gallup-documents-good-post-convention-jump-for-obama/?cp=10#comment-1068703
Romney….. 320 electoral votes. America will wake up in the voting booth. They did for Reagan, they will for Romney as well.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/30/jeep-were-staying-in-u-s-and-romney-is-wrong/?cp=1#comment-1131580
Romney…. 320. Bozo…. 218. Count on it.

Donovan:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/02/13/surprise-wall-street-casts-its-lot-with-the-gop/?cp=4#comment-862464
Anyone who voted for Obama and continues to believe in his cause speaks for itself. You will never be taken serious nor will your ideas become real.

All this nonsense you spill out on this left wing site is typical elitist double talk for stupidity. I rather enjoy rubbing your faces in reality each day only because you need it.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/28/will-the-supremes-be-obamacares-real-death-panel/?cp=2#comment-995115
Yeah, the decision is not even out yet and this blog today is a liberal rant against Republicans, big business and middle class suppression.

Lord knows how you all will react to Obama’s defeat in November.

Day counter (It’s 1535 days, b**ch!):
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/02/romney-tax-plan-soaring-debt-huge-breaks-for-rich/?cp=3#comment-884905
Thanks to all you Democrats/liberal/progressives out there.
Over ther past three years, you guys have set up the rules for the future, such as DEFLECTION, BLAME IT ON BUSH (O’Bama in 324 days), LYING, NOT TAKING ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS, STUPID STATEMENTS, PERSONAL ATTACKS, HOLYIER THAN THOU ATTITUDES and HATEFUL MEANT SPIRITED.COMMENTS

Thulsa Doom (I am really disappointed I didn’t save more from you :D ):
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/23/developer-bailout-bill-a-sordid-case-study/?cp=6#comment-904522
Contrarian,

303 days? The math depends on whether you are looking to early November when the community organizer will be soundly defeated or later on in January when the lame duck actually leaves the white house with his tail between his legs.

JohnnyReb:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/04/17/starters-gun-fires-in-great-race-of-2012/?cp=1#comment-927809
A month ago the Left was crowing how the primaries were damaging Romney. A week after Santorum withdraws Romney is at a minimum even with Obama. Yet, the Left projects Obama to win. Bless their loyal, optimistic bleeding hearts.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/08/barack-obamas-war-on-free-enterprise/?cp=3#comment-947068
All you Moonbats who keep disparaging Republicans, I’m coming after you as we get closer to November and it has become obvious Obama will not win. When? When you are down to having nothing left but the race card.

Billybob:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/07/states-compete-to-buy-jobs-with-taxpayer-money/?cp=3#comment-946149
i love to see the leftists trying to project obama’s socialist/marxist mindset and his central gov’t planning policies on people who are screaming to limit gov’t and get gov’t out of the way and are screaming for our elected officials to actually follow the constitution/cut debt/cut deficits……that’s why leftists are on the way out this fall b/c people see their lies more and more every day……keep talking libs, you are creating the landslide that will hit the dem party on nov 7th

Recon/Del:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/08/the-other-half-of-the-real-estate-collapse/?cp=2#comment-947407
It appears by the polls that the Obama campaign that really began in September of last year isn’t resonating very well with voters. Now with an existing weak economy that appears to be going into further decline it’s hard to see what more Obama can blame.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/09/the-trouncing-of-dick-lugar-is-a-cry-for-war/?cp=1#comment-948052
It’s looking like it might be getting time for Obama to get ready for the shellac.

Joseph:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/11/wall-street-oops-we-did-it-again/?cp=1#comment-951545
Is it true that Dan Savage will be a keynote speaker at the Dem Convention? Wow they are taking this homo marriage thing seriously…. To their own peril…. LOL…
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/31/the-race-for-the-white-house-what-the-numbers-say/?cp=2#comment-967378
I do understand that your trying your best to keep a straight face and sugarcoat the fact that Obama is about to go down to a resounding defeat. As it stands he’s not even close to the mid 50 approval that Bush enjoyed before the election of 04′. You know that Jay. Assuring your most avid foaming at the mouth far left readers is all you got I guess. No sitting President has been in a position like this in recent memory. Get ready for it libs…
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/09/07/no-president-could-fully-repair-the-damage-in-just-four-years/?cp=2#comment-1067223
Absolutely not Paul. Obama’s debt when all is said and done will be will be closer to $6 trillion by the time he leaves office Jan. 20th….

EJ Moosa (by the way, what happened to this fella when the jobs numbers started showing GOOD NEWS?):
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/31/the-race-for-the-white-house-what-the-numbers-say/?cp=3#comment-967369
The economic numbers (forget the poll numbers) point to a resounding defeat for an administration that spent trillions with nothing but debt to show for it.

USMC:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/01/gwinnett-county-and-its-culture-of-corruption/?cp=3#comment-969455
This President is a complete disaster!

tick tock, tick tock, tick tock…

Romney by 3%

Common Sense:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/15/obama-offers-temporary-reprieve-to-young-illegal-immigrants/?cp=3#comment-984048
Obama’s 1 term predicition if he did not get the job done in 3 years was the only honest statement he has made during the last 4 years.

Mighty Righty:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/21/a-lot-of-baloney-flying-fast-and-furious/?cp=4#comment-988108
The day after the election, the very media that is now claiming fast and furious is no big deal and praising the the illegal executive order last week making the “dream act” law without the legal process, will be citing these among others as the reason Obama was defeated.

Zap:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/08/31/hugely-profitable-companies-pay-more-to-ceos-than-to-uncle-sam/?cp=9#comment-706998
Uh huh, 2012 is gonna be a bad year for the rats.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/08/31/hugely-profitable-companies-pay-more-to-ceos-than-to-uncle-sam/?cp=9#comment-707012
Oh, and your beloved Obama is done. Over with.

Other Fallen:
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/16/lets-unleash-the-true-power-of-the-job-creators/?cp=5#comment-956110
Bad news for the true Obama believers on here. The guy is losing. The campaign has really got started yet….and he’s losing…….against a Mormon. A former governor of the liberal state of Mass. A the NY Times/CBS poll is telling us that………………Only surprise I have, it’s not by more……But it will be. And no, it’s not a love affair with Mitt………………It’s anybody but Obama driving this. I know most of regulars on here will go into a depression and turn to heavier pot use in November.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/29/debt-ceiling-standoff-is-an-act-of-economic-sabotage/?cp=8#comment-967084
Don’t matter what you libs say, Obamab is out, Repubs take senate as well, the makers inthis country get confidence back, and this economy will tke off. Get ready for 8 years opf Romney.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/01/latest-jobs-data-say/?cp=2#comment-968969
Adam:

There is nothing positive to say about the current president. We will have a new one in January.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/28/most-of-obamacare-including-mandate-upheld/?cp=1#comment-995378
The Tea Party is not dead. This was the last straw, and Obama will be voted out in November, along with the rest of the Dem goons.
h ttp:// blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/07/03/romney-puts-that-sleeping-giant-back-to-sleep/?cp=7#comment-1002299
Dear Adam,

Obama will lose by a wide margin in November. His numbers trail Jimmy Carter’s at this point and will go into free fall by September. Obama is the laziest, least intelligent, and most poorly qualified person that has EVER held the office. Obama could not run a corner convenience store…

What Happened to the Tea Party?

November 7th, 2012
9:24 am

Wow, Boortz is in complete melt down mode!

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:24 am

“The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found. ”

Oooh, here we go with the “the candidate was the problem” theme!

:)

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:25 am

“Hey, where’s RB, Kayaker, USMC, Mighty Righty, Scout, Donovan , Butch etc…

These LOSERS are too busy SUCKING IT!!! to spew stupid, deluded solipsistic drivel…”

Good to see the libs are staying classy.

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
9:25 am

PartyTime… dream on. good times ahead peeps!

PartyTime, you enjoy the SUCKING IT, LOSER!!!

clem

November 7th, 2012
9:25 am

time to put fork in the intransigent tp party….it is time to compromise

Skip

November 7th, 2012
9:25 am

Cons can’t run a campaign, how could they run a country?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:25 am

Goldie — “J.H. Mama — como se dice “pendejo” in ingles? No comprendo… gracias!”

It’s a common insult in Spanish, mostly used in Mexico and Central America, from what my Hispanic wife tells me. Its literal translation is ’stupid’ or ‘dummy,’ but there’s a big shading of nastiness to it as well. My wife says it’s closer to ‘m-f’er’ or ‘pubic hair’ but your mileage may vary. :D

KARMA KARMA KARMA Caught Up With The Chameleon Myth Robme

November 7th, 2012
9:26 am

@Scrivener

November 7th, 2012
8:33 am
The reason Obama was re-elected was, A, the storm hit, and B, the media refused to cover the bad economy accurately (can be clearly demonstrated by comparison’s to the Bush economy) and virtually no coverage of Fast and Furious or the Benghazi scandal. The scandals won’t be going away, folks, just because the election is over, and it won’t look good for Obama.

========================================

The REASON CONS lost:

A. God don’t like UGLY.

B. You reap what you sow.

C. Don’t mess with the 47%, minorities, hispanics and women

clem

November 7th, 2012
9:26 am

milton man, you have no room to talk about class.

Not the one

November 7th, 2012
9:26 am

Heres some great news in 4 year Ms Obama can run for prez and serve 2 terms and then Oblama can run again and win. We have lost America there ain’t no turning us around.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
9:27 am

“Fox is the most watched of all the news channels”

No, it isn’t. It’s the #1 CABLE news channel. The broadcast channels still hold the top spots over all news.

Cosby

November 7th, 2012
9:27 am

A message…The country is still split – 50/50. But I guess the moochers vs the producers voted more. I know Jay and all his media hypes are just getty…but wait until the Annoited one pushed his agenda of marxism to the brionk – ignores the constitution, breakd the law even more than he has, ignores congress and continue to do anything he wants. I’m not sour, but I do feel for all the stupidity in the USA who have no clue where we are now headed, but then perhpas we have become a nation of servants to the Big Government in DC.. Look for higher energy prices, dictation as to what kind of vehicle you drive, how far you can drive it, how much your job is worth ( how much you will be paid), look for your medical care to be dictated by the un elected panel, look for doctors to leave the practice and for get about research and development in the health field. Look for a weak military and the continued rise of Islamic movement, look for a Nuclear Iran and North Korea. but then I have no answer for stupidity and am ashamed of America, but then I guess when most think American Idal is the greatest thing ever, this is what you get. I feel for the young people in this country that will never know freedom, personal responsibility, feeling of acompolishments. Sour, not in the least, just feel sorry for the dumb masses and what awaits them, but then a true republic historically only last 200 years and The USA outlived that expectation. I guess when people feel they can vote themselves confiscation of other peoples money, dictoral government takes over. A sad, very sad day in the USA..May god have mercey on the soul of the USA.

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:27 am

The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found. ”

Oooh, here we go with the “the candidate was the problem” theme!

Yes, when you cannot win your home state of MA (not expected to win) or a state you had close ties with (MI) & your VP candidate cannot win his home state (WI) you are not the right candidate.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:27 am

Flagboy — “Is this addressed to me?:”

It was intended to be more the amorphous and indefinite ‘you,’ but I’ll certainly discuss it with you (specifically) if you like.

home&home

November 7th, 2012
9:28 am

I suppose there were no rich liberals dumping as much money as they could into the process. yeah, right…

Other than that, you’re right. The country has changed, comrade. Hope you guys are right, otherwise…

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:28 am

MiltonMan – “The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found.”

Too bad you didn’t think of that before the election.

Michael

November 7th, 2012
9:28 am

Scrivener the reason Romney lost is because of people like you. You still don’t get it. You blame everybody else for your the mistakes of your own party.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:28 am

Bloomberg headlines:

Dollar falls on Obama re-election

US stock futures decline as Obama wins re-election

Keep whistling past the graveyard

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:29 am

Gracias, J.H.Mama — comprendo ahora! Como “muy loco” pero con huevos! :)

Redneck Rick

November 7th, 2012
9:29 am

The next “big” steps for the GOP:

Step one: Blame the “Lame-Stream” Media for the Obama win.
Step two: Claim voter fraud or intimidation.
Step three: Lament the choice of a RINO candidate.
Step four: Blame Blacks and Hispanics.
Step five: Drag feet on Obama-initiated legislation
Step six: Begin House Impeachment proceedings on Fast and Furious or Benghazi “cover-up”.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
9:29 am

Oh man it felt SOOOO GOOOD to post that.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:29 am

“The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found”

that’s the POINT, Captain Observant.

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
9:29 am

MiltonMan, please see Limbaugh’s definition of “slut” or the GOP’s codification of “legitimate rape” to glean a little class. As for my comments, you can…. well you know…… SUCK IT, LOSER!!!!

HDB

November 7th, 2012
9:29 am

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
8:56 am
“I will be writing a letter to my two Georgia GOP Senators and my GOP member of Congress and implore them to work with the President for the betterment of our great country. I invite others to join me.”

Woo-hoo, H.E.P. — now we’re talkin’! “)

COUNT ME IN on this!!!

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Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

Electoral votes will continue to leave the blue states

And red states will start turning blue with them.

See Virginia.

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

I identify myself as a conservative but not a republican.

Thank you Jason !!!!!!!

He has correctly identified a large group of the population with an education…….. perhaps the Republican’s will now begin to work for all American’s and not the FEW they choose to help.

Tundra Dude

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

como se dice “pendejo” in ingles? No comprendo… gracias

keine Obszönitäten auf diesem Blog erlaubt

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

Not the one — “Heres some great news in 4 year Ms Obama can run for prez and serve 2 terms and then Oblama can run again and win.”

No, he can’t. Obama is ineligible to run again.

What do you think this is, Alabama? They only pull that kind of spit there and in Argentina. :D

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

“I know Jay and all his media hypes are just getty…but wait until the Annoited one pushed his agenda of marxism to the brionk – ignores the constitution, ”

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

And on it goes! :)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

Tundra Dude — “keine Obszönitäten auf diesem Blog erlaubt”

Wirklich?

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
9:30 am

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:27 am

Maybe they just weren’t the right party.

Sarah Palin

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

I finally found where Korea is!

Thanks to Bristol for this big ol’ map she gave me.

Senor Coughee

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

Good article, Jay. BUT, BOTH “sides” need to learn to work together. BOTH “sides” need to realize they cannot have it all, and need to make concessions. BOTH need to stop worrying about the D and the R, who “wins” or “loses”, or who “one ups” the other guy. If not, we’re in for another long four years of bitter partisanship.

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

MiltonMan – “The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found.”

Too bad you didn’t think of that before the election.

Oh believe me, I did but the field was pretty “slim pickens”

Li'l Aynie

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

The Republican Party should split. The moderates should retain the Republican name. The rascist, rabid radicals should be called Dixiecrats, which they have been all along, or intransigent old white men (OWM).

Did you notice that, for the first time, the wacky electoral college scheme favored the good guy? In the past, the western flyover states and third-world southern states were able to distort the votes of the American people.

But, the persistent political division of the states, roughly along the lines of the Union/Confederacy split in the 1860, is troubling. A massive influx of Latinos should solve that problem.

youcantseetheforestforthetrees

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

You are right-the people who want the handouts outnumber the people who actually work. Democrats/Liberals only vote for their special interest, not the general good.

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

“Regnad Kcin:

Please dispute one thing I said. Obama overwhelmingly won the black, latino, and Jewish vote by HUGE margins. Even Jay mentioned it in his article. Those are ACTUAL, INDISPUTABLE FACTS.”

RJohn – if you re-read my post, you will find that I never disputed those facts – I commented on your self-admitted confusion as to why these groups of individuals (who, in your post, you converted into monolithic, stereotypical blocs), did not act in a way you expected. I advised you to view people as real individual people, as this may help dispel some of the confusion your you were bemoaning.

Always glad to help! :)

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:31 am

Joe – I just wanted to make sure you weren’t accusing me of demonizing or obfustication/rhetoric . I actually take a small bit of pride in not seeming like a complete idiot on the interwebs.

So shoot. What’s your idea?

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:32 am

Foxy lady is beyond annoying

Butch isn’t even a con you twit

JamVet

November 7th, 2012
9:32 am

And what about that mystery meat rube who used the handle of X more days?

Does he now add 1461 to that total?

(Peals of laughter at his expense here…)

trailerparkted

November 7th, 2012
9:32 am

The Tea Party, Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox News, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin etc….. have been 100% detrimental to the Republican Party, the party can no longer be the party of Angry Middle Age White Men, The Religious Right and Confederate States, the United States is changing and republicans had better get on board!!!!!!!!!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:32 am

” Electoral votes will continue to leave the blue states

And red states will start turning blue with them.”

:lol:

I know – this is the “logic” that cracks me up everytime … like all the folks moving south are suddenly going to become Republican just because they start eating fried okra.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:33 am

home&home — “I suppose there were no rich liberals dumping as much money as they could into the process. yeah, right…”

And here y’all though Romney was good at managing other people’s money, yet he managed to waste $3 billion. :D

I heard a good one on Morning Joe this morning; it was pointed out that Linda McMahon has now spent ~$100 million of her own money trying to win a Senate seat in Connecticut — so Willie Geist said that in six years, she will just cut out the middleman by putting $42 million in a dumpster in New Haven, CT and lighting it on fire. :D

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
9:33 am

Remember the Republican “skewed polls” scream?

Funny thing about that! Turns out Rasmussen was the skewed poll! Rasmussen was horrible, turns out they were nothing but a Republican puppet poll. I know, hard to believe.

Their final poll in these crucial swing states were very wrong…

Ohio
Wisconsin
Colorado
Iowa
Virginia
Florida

Unskewed PPP picked all of the swing states correctly.

will the "REAL" Mitt Romney please stand up

November 7th, 2012
9:33 am

Yes, when you cannot win your home state of MA (not expected to win) or a state you had close ties with (MI) & your VP candidate cannot win his home state (WI) you are not the right candidate.

_____

but MANY Repubs felt as if Romney would win by a landslide. They were against the polls that stated that President Obama was holding a small but constant lead.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 7th, 2012
9:33 am

You are right-the people who want the handouts outnumber the people who actually work.

Most of the people on welfare and looking for handouts are from the red states.

PartyTime

November 7th, 2012
9:34 am

KARMA KARMA KARMA and Cosby – SO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ad

November 7th, 2012
9:34 am

The (or at lease “a”) reason Obama won was that enough of us old white guys voted for him along with blacks, Hispanics, etc. Obama was inclusive – the GOP, not so much. If the GOP thinks their mistake was that Romney wasn’t conservative enough or that they just didn’t nominate enough Tea Party crazies, then even more of the old white guy crowd will vote Dem.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
9:34 am

here kitty kitty……

Karl Rove

November 7th, 2012
9:34 am

Wow! I’m truly an idiot. I didn’t get ONE thing right about this election.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:34 am

Cosby — “Look for a weak military and the continued rise of Islamic movement, look for a Nuclear Iran and North Korea.”

North Korea is ALREADY nuclear, you clueless nit. They tested a bomb during Bush’s adminstration, while we were busy jerking around in Iraq.

Catch up to the rest of the class.

the cat

November 7th, 2012
9:34 am

Anyone have Dickie Morris on youtube?

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
9:35 am

You are right-the people who want the handouts outnumber the people who actually work. Democrats/Liberals only vote for their special interest, not the general good.

Of course, it had absolutely nothing to do with the GOP’s agenda or policy positions. Nothing at all. You forgot to blame the main stream media too, LOSER.

Clydesdale

November 7th, 2012
9:35 am

The American Dream is dead in urban areas. We’ve all seen the map. 80% of the map turns red on election night but only draws 48% of the vote. A few states, mostly with high urban concentrations drive us to a democratic presidency. I don’t think we need an intervention. We need to sell the American dream to urban people of all colors including single white women. The American dream is alive in 80% of the land. If your dream is to own a tiki hut selling surfboards in Key West you can go do that. If you want a ranch in the country with horses you can chase that. No where in this old classic dream do we think of government needing to assist us in this dream. Urban people apparently have added that element to the American dream. Unfortunately look at the stats for those who supported Obama twice now. Darker skinned people drove the unemployment rate. They are in the mid teens. The you need the government assist for the “Dream” fails the very people who support it.

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:35 am

Tax increases targeting the “rich” is smokescreen nonsense; taxes will rise for everybody, directly or indirectly. This election was lost to the GOP because Blue States are beholden to big government and entitlement programs and . . . debt, and we’ve crossed the threshhold as a country where there is no recourse. They’ll be knocking at your door, Georgians, to fund their bailout. The mandates will come down harder, billions for this, billions for that. Somewhere down the line the debt will be called.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
9:35 am

Jam @ 9:32

That was good.

:-)

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

Jm Do you day trading based on a hope and a prayer ? Or are you an investor looking at the market, doing your home work, and finding great picks, the next up and coming ideas that will grow into the new business of the future ?

Gee Under Bush didn’t the stock market implode ?

Darwin

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

Jay – Same thoughts were shared in 2008 and look what happened. After the sweep in 2010 Republicans did not see the need to change because the white vote carried them. It will take more than a decade for the demographics to shape the Republican message via necessity. The Republican field was so weak this time. Probably will go even more hard line since the election was still close and the House remains Republican. Anyway, Go President Obama. You earned a second term.

HDB

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

OK….I’m going to bring this out this way:

When you attempt to run a demographic campaign and alienate the largest-growing segment of the populace…when your party does everything possible to marginalize and dissuade that changing demographic from exercising their right to vote….when your policies find themselves being anathematic to that growing segment….is there any wonder that a new coalition is formed to defeat you??

Romney galvanized the white vote….scoring 60%…but that demographic is FALLING! With 70% of the Hispanic vote and over 90% of the African-American vote…and Romney’s admission that 47% of the American populace doesn’t matter to him….is there any wonder that he lost??

The GOP needs to wake up….the “ol’ Confederacy” is unsustainable!!

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:25 am

Good to see the libs are staying classy.
++++++++++++++++++

They are just following the example YOU have set for the last year or so…….

teamguy

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

H L Mencken was right.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

“so Willie Geist said that in six years, she will just cut out the middleman by putting $42 million in a dumpster in New Haven, CT and lighting it on fire. ”

I heard that one too, J.H. Mama — and Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Bros. can do the same!

Bwaaaaa! :)

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:36 am

“but MANY Repubs felt as if Romney would win by a landslide. They were against the polls that stated that President Obama was holding a small but constant lead.”

Nothing more than wishful thinking.

333

November 7th, 2012
9:37 am

Well said Cosby—I’m afraid we have lost our Republic to the moochers—This will become a Federalist society run by the non-producers.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 7th, 2012
9:37 am

Congrats. signing off for good.The moniker is dead. Wish all of you good health and good luck.Been fun.

Michael

November 7th, 2012
9:37 am

Cosby, may I suggest that you move to another country with your values. Maybe Pakistan.

#1 Foxy Lady

November 7th, 2012
9:37 am

thank you Clydesdale for letting us know for sure that your are a bigot. thanks for clearing that up.

Senor Coughee

November 7th, 2012
9:38 am

There was a message sent last night that neither party seems to “get”. We’re split nearly 50-50, and they are going to have to come to some compromise in order for things to work.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:38 am

“Turns out Rasmussen was the skewed poll! Rasmussen was horrible, turns out they were nothing but a Republican puppet poll.”

not that we didn’t already know this.

NATE RULES!!!

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:38 am

“Unfortunately look at the stats for those who supported Obama twice now. Darker skinned people drove the unemployment rate.”

WOW — you Cons got a lotta work to do before 2014!!!

:)

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

“They are just following the example YOU have set for the last year or so…….”

That I have set??? I guess you conveniently forgot about all the name calling directed my way??? Your man won – congratulations.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

333 – “This will become a Federalist society run by the non-producers.”

When does your flight leave?

HDB

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:35 am
“This election was lost to the GOP because RED States are beholden to big government and entitlement programs and . . . debt, and we’ve crossed the threshhold as a country where there is no recourse. They’ll be knocking at your door, Georgians, to fund their bailout.”

There…fixed your statement!1

It’s known that the RED states take more funding fro the government…for every dollar in taxes, the RED states get about $1.40 back…..

getalife

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

Good morning Americans.

A beautiful morning isn’t it?

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

“80% of the map turns red on election night but only draws 48% of the vote”

Clydesdale – Obama won more states than Romnry – figure it out…

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

“We need to sell the American dream to urban people of all colors including single white women.”

How do you sell YOUR dream to people who do not want to embrace it, many of whom live in the moment?

a voice in the wilderness

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

what a disaster…

Tundra Dude

November 7th, 2012
9:40 am

“The GOP will bounce back once a viable candidate is found.”

Sorry, but no viable candidate will ever pass your litmus tests.
ps: If the US ever instituted mandatory voting, there would be no GOP

deegee

November 7th, 2012
9:40 am

I can’t stand Ann Coulter but she accurately called this race months ago when she said that if the party picks Romney, Obama will be re-elected.

trailerparkted

November 7th, 2012
9:40 am

Well Cosby, there is always Afghanistan, sounds like you will fit right in…..

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:40 am

Clydesdale – Obama won more states than Romnry – figure it out…

Vermont, Rhode Island, New Hampshire . . . figured it out.

independent thinker

November 7th, 2012
9:40 am

MESSAGE – If the GOP keeps putting elitist and self centered members of the 1% up as presidential candidates and they saddle with the ultra nationalist neocons they will lose no matter how bad the economy is.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:41 am

“When does your flight leave?”

good luck finding an industrial country without socialized medicine!!!

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:41 am

Soros guru Jim Rogers

“get ready for cheap money run amok”

“more inflation, more money printing, more debt, more spending”

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:42 am

Just as a point of interest, I followed the 11/6/2012 map on electoralvote.com last night. It was amazingly accurate when compared to the actual state EC votes from last night. I only say this, becuase more than once i posted the link to the site and was told that I needed to get “more accurate information”. Check for yourself: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/Maps/Nov06.html

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:42 am

““80% of the map turns red on election night but only draws 48% of the vote”

Yeah, the U.S. Constitution can be a b]tch sometimes — that darn Electoral College, what were the Founding Fathers thinking???

:)

tooltime234

November 7th, 2012
9:42 am

Dawgdad you could say the same thing about Montana, Idaho, Wyoming too. I’m glad we have 4 more years of Luther the angry Obama translator.

gadem

November 7th, 2012
9:43 am

This article right here sums up what is wrong with the Republican party. As many has stated, instead of them looking at themselves and the message that they are peddling. They are rationalizing that the only way that Obama won re-election is because that people that wants things voted him in…

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/OReilly-white-minority-establishment/2012/11/06/id/463114?promo_code=F470-1&utm_source=Fox_Politics&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase2

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
9:43 am

Good morning, getalife – yes, it’s a beatiful day indeed… :)

Jm

November 7th, 2012
9:43 am

Treasuries rallying

Safe have run

Trump is Freaking Out

November 7th, 2012
9:43 am

Donald Trump: Election Is ‘Total Sham And A Travesty,’ and suggests ‘Revolution’ Is Necessary.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 7th, 2012
9:43 am

While many of us hoped and prayed for a Romney/Ryan victory ………… today it is what it is.

A couple of thoughts:

1) Sure the demographics are changing but I believe historians 100 years from now will mark yesterday as the “point of no return” for what was once a great Republic. As Caesar said when he crossed the Rubicon, “Alea iacta est” (the die is cast).

2) The United States of America is no better than Israel of the Old Testament. When as a nation we collectively turn our back on God it is possible His protective hand may be withdrawn.

3) There is nothing more dangerous than a Chicago lame “thug” duck.

Where is Sean Hannity?

November 7th, 2012
9:43 am

Where is that race baiting lying ass clown? I looked for him all night!

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:44 am

MiltonMan — hint: “the candidate” is not the problem.

:)

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:44 am

Hey Jm. pick up some Silver Wheaton, and if you haven’t owned Sprint during the run up, you still can..they just purchased more cellular markets.

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. (AP) — Sprint is buying U.S. Cellular markets in the Midwest for $480 million to boost its network capacity in that region.

Sprint Nextel Corp., the third-largest U.S. cellphone carrier, said Wednesday that it is buying spectrum and 585,000 customers in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri and Ohio. That covers about 10 percent of U.S. Cellular’s customer base and includes its key Chicago and St. Louis markets.

trailerparkted

November 7th, 2012
9:44 am

for the record there coz, abut $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs and about $92 billion is spent on corporate susidies. 3% of the total federal budget is spent on rental aid, public housing, and food stamps. That’s about .01% of your paycheck, now guess how much of your check goes to that $92 billion for corporate welfare?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 7th, 2012
9:44 am

I never saw so many people so excited over their taxes going up. Oh wait, those who are excited probably don’t have to pay any taxes, they let the working people pay their taxes while they sit on the couch and watch “reality” TV.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:44 am

Flagboy — “Joe – I just wanted to make sure you weren’t accusing me of demonizing or obfustication/rhetoric . I actually take a small bit of pride in not seeming like a complete idiot on the interwebs.”

FWIW, I’m not insensitive to your position. I voted Republican for over 20 years of my adult life before I left the party in 2003/2004.

“So shoot. What’s your idea?”

You may have seen me discuss the notion of a national ID card, to be used for voting purposes. It would utilize a national data infrastructure and would have to be nigh-unforgeable. Leaving aside the technical considerations for a moment, it could *also* serve as proof of citizenship OR as work authorization for legal immigrants. Prospective employers could use the ID card for instant checks against the national database to be *assured* that they’re hiring a citizen or work-authorized immigrant, and job applicants could be assured of a quick, hassle-free check. Plus, we impose FAT fines and penalties for hiring *without* checking the card, or for forgery or fraud — and those penalties apply both to the worker and the employer. If the fines are stiff enough and a few companies are made into examples (let’s say each individual offense incurs a fine of one percent of the company’s previous annual gross income, as reported to the IRS), employers will get the message and jobs will dry up for illegosos. Plus, we’ve made working without authorization a crime, which means that offenders so caught *wouldn’t* be eligible for future immigration. IOW, play by the rules or risk getting cut off from the US job marked *forever.*

With a system like this, we could bring back the ‘bracero’ guest-worker program so that industries that need and want unskilled labor that most Americans won’t do (e.g. agricultural) can get *authorization* and be above-board about it.

In short, such an ID system protects American workers, American employers and even gives us a way to bring in foreign ‘temp’ workers when and where needed. It gives everyone involved an *incentive* to work within the system.

What do you think? Any ideas to improve it?

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

MiltonMan

November 7th, 2012
9:39 am

Your man won – congratulations.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Thank you. Maybe you can convince YOUR folks to grow up and start working with him now that they failed in their main goal of making him a one term President. It would be nice if the Republicans would actually start working FOR America rather than for China……….

Beyond the Middle of the Road

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

Most surreal moments from last night had to be Rove’s total denial of reality and Trump’s complete twitter meltdown. If you missed his tweets here’s a link: http://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-reacts-to-election/ And of course the biggest winners were mathematics and Nate Silver. I’d like to say that BOTH sides will now bury the hatchet and work together for the good of the country. Yes, I’d like to say that.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

smike

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

@deegee >>I can’t stand Ann Coulter but she accurately called this race months ago when she said that if the party picks Romney, Obama will be re-elected.

Yeah, but at that point Romney was their best option. I don’t think Coulter ever backed Huntsman, who was their one truly viable candidate.

Tundra Dude

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

— “keine Obszönitäten auf diesem Blog erlaubt”

Wirklich?

Was just guessin’…kinda looked like naughty words.. ;-)

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

The 2012 election was Americas way of politely inviting the right wingers to enjoy a nice hot cup of STFU while the adults run the country.

ad

November 7th, 2012
9:45 am

DawgDad – the blue states, by and large, are subsidizing the red states as far as taxes to and from the Federal government. Those people voting for Obama in the industrial heartland were working people. People in New York and New Jersey work and they’ve started a few businesses over the years. Some have even done it without going bankrupt over and over (see Trump). The GOP framed this as a “producer” vs. “moocher” election, but most people saw through that c$ap.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
9:46 am

80% of the map turns red on election night but only draws 48% of the vote

We need a constitutional amendment. All those disenfranchised prairie dogs, cattle, and huge tracts ‘o empty land are a travesty.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
9:46 am

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:46 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 ……….. There is nothing more dangerous then a Group of old White Men wanting to tell Women and the world how to behave, as they act poorly themselves.

Dirty Dawg

November 7th, 2012
9:46 am

Two things…as is if anybody cared…white folks, particularly older white men, have desperately been trying to hold onto the reins – and whip – in the belief/fear that once the black and brown minorities become the majority they’ll treat the ‘new’ white male minority the way they’ve been treated all these centuries…and who could blame em? The other thing is that ‘thinking off’ about how great it feels to realize that the Kochs, Adelsen, Rove, and all those other a-hole billionaires have awakened today to the realization that they’ve ‘pi$$ed it all away’. That they’ve squandered hundreds and hundreds of millions of non-deductible dollars with nothing to show for it but the hatred of a good portion of the American people. Can’t wait to hear that the DOJ has indicted Adelsen for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. As for the Kochs, I don’t know what it’s gonna take to make their lives miserable, but I’m all for it…guess I’ll have to settle for continuing to boycott Georgia Pacific products until they get the tar and feathers ready. As for those companies that promised to layoff their folks if Obama won…we’ve got our eyes on you and if there ain’t a law against what you’re planning, we’ll make one.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:46 am

Rubio will be the next Republican candidate.

Sad state of affairs when you can make that prediction based on demographics rather than ideas, but I have to think that will be the GOP’s response.

pw

November 7th, 2012
9:47 am

Excellent article and very much on point but good luck with the GOP ever owning up to their real reality.

will the "REAL" Mitt Romney please stand up

November 7th, 2012
9:47 am

when “FACTS” become reality….

Nate Silver’s New Book
Posted on October 19, 2012 by Rob I’ve been reading and greatly enjoying Nate Silver’s book, The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail—and Some Don’t. I’d recommend the book based on the introduction and first chapter alone. (And, no, that’s not because that’s all I’ve read so far. It’s because they’re that good.) If you’re the sort who skips introductions, I strongly suggest you become a new sort and read this one. It’s a wonderful essay about the dangers of too much information, and the need to make sense of it. Silver makes the point that, historically, when we’ve been faced with more information than we can handle, we tend to pick-and-choose which ‘facts’ we wish to believe. Sounds like a presidential debate, no?

http://citizen-statistician.org/2012/10/19/nate-silvers-new-book/

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
9:47 am

Yes, American is a “center right” nation, which is why the center-right party — the DEMOCRATIC party — is winning — Peter Beinart

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:47 am

“MESSAGE – If the GOP keeps putting elitist and self centered members of the 1% up as presidential candidates and they saddle with the ultra nationalist neocons they will lose no matter how bad the economy is.”

Ok, how do you explain Democrats? Oh, they find an empty suit front-man, who in the process becomes 1%.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
9:48 am

“then Oblama can run again and win”

No, he can’t

trailerparkted

November 7th, 2012
9:48 am

@nunna yobinnes, Our colleagues at PolitiFact National found last year that for the average middle-class family, the effective tax rate — how much the average taxpayer pays as a percentage of his income — fell between 2008 and 2011.

smike

November 7th, 2012
9:48 am

@Nunna >>I never saw so many people so excited over their taxes going up. Oh wait, those who are excited probably don’t have to pay any taxes, they let the working people pay their taxes while they sit on the couch and watch “reality” TV.

I’m happy to pay my fair share of taxes so that I can live in the world’s best country.

Gator Joe

November 7th, 2012
9:49 am

Jay:
The only thing that could make this morning nicer, would be for Congressional Republicans moving forward, to make a sincere effort to work with President Obama to make this an even better country (I know we Liberals are dreamers).

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
9:49 am

Jay, I think it’s time for some early travelin music for the cons on here. Don Meridith is ringing in my ears.

philospher

November 7th, 2012
9:50 am

Karl Rove’s refusal to accept the loss in Ohio was absolutely no surprise. If I had spent that many billions of mine and others’ dollars trying to buy an election, there’s no way I would believe it failed!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:50 am

USinUK — “not that we didn’t already know this. NATE RULES!!!”

FWIW, Dean Chambers, the “Unskewed Polls” guy, tried to rewrite some history last night. He updated his site somewhere around 1-3 AM to make it match the election results, but someone posted on his website and berated him for doing it. Seems that Chambers didn’t realize that people were caching old versions of his site for future reference, conservabloggers like him having tried to pull this sort of thing in the past.

So Mr. Shirt-Buttoned-Up-To-His-Three-Chins changed his site back the way it was, with all his bullspit intact.

Romney 400+ EVs, my butt.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
9:50 am

Oh believe me, I did but the field was pretty “slim pickens”

(shrug)

We were assured several times, by several different people here that even Elmer Fudd could easily defeat Obama.

Peter

November 7th, 2012
9:50 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

When as a nation we collectively turn our back on God it is possible His protective hand may be withdrawn.

Gosh . I had no idea you were into Voodoo ? Do you really beleive that stuff you typed ?

Perhaps all ought to join the catholic Church, and do as the priest do and molest little boys…or do as the Vatican does, and launder money for the Mafia ?

Will that makes us great again ?

Adam

November 7th, 2012
9:50 am

Fedup

November 7th, 2012
9:51 am

When you build your party platform around “you lie” you have a problem. The cons are still stuck in the mindset that they will never compromise. I’ll bet they hate Christie for not being like Jindal.

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:51 am

“Two things…as is if anybody cared…white folks, particularly older white men, have desperately been trying to hold onto the reins – and whip – in the belief/fear that once the black and brown minorities become the majority they’ll treat the ‘new’ white male minority the way they’ve been treated all these centuries…and who could blame em?”

This is utter nonsense. Not a single person alive today has been mistreated “all these centuries”, by ANYBODY. Now, that certainly does not stop a lot of people from playing the race card, or the reparations card, or the woe-is-me card, does it? Says so much more about them than “old white men”.

gadem

November 7th, 2012
9:51 am

Stay classy Mississippi…

http://www.wmctv.com/story/20025451/riots-on-ole-miss-campus-after-election-results-announced

The south will always be a century or two behind the rest of the country.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:51 am

“Donald Trump: Election Is ‘Total Sham And A Travesty,’ and suggests ‘Revolution’ Is Necessary.”

my favorite was when he said “they’re all LAUGHING at us”

No, Donald.

They’re laughing at YOU.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
9:51 am

*Football spike*

fair and balanced

November 7th, 2012
9:51 am

Now Anne Romney can go back to her horse, car elevator, Cadillacs,millions in profits in Delphi from government bailout money and offshore accounts and lead the privileged life she deserves.
“We have given you people all the information you need” did it for me in considering Romney. It only got worse from there.And the icing on the cake- Romney having a fundraiser in Tampa with the 1% on a yacht with the Cayman Islands flag.
Hey Mitt and Anne- join Michelle and Jill Biden on a visit to wounded veterans- those 47% moochers you detest and never mentioned once.

midtownguy

November 7th, 2012
9:52 am

As a gay man I can’t vote Republican even though I am a fiscal conservative having come from a family of small business owners. The GOP needs to divorce itself from the religious right, drop all social and family issue and concentrate on promoting conservative, pro-business tax and fiscal policies. Otherwise, they are doomed. I hope I get to vote “conservative” before I pass this earth, but the GOP just won’t let me. I can’t vote for people who openly despise me even if I go bankrupt.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:52 am

Joe – in this plan, are all US citizens required to get the ID card?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:52 am

Clydesdale — “We need to sell the American dream to urban people of all colors including single white women.”

No, you need to stop selling and START LISTENING.

Most Americans have heard your message and don’t want any part of it.

Darwin

November 7th, 2012
9:53 am

Hey Gator Joe – The Repubs first announcement will be to make Obama a Two Term President!

jconservative

November 7th, 2012
9:53 am

Jay – “This race was close at the end only because he ditched conservatism and embraced moderation.”

Correct. Romney was being buried and moved to the Left and made a race out of it.

But that is bad news for we conservatives. Only after Romney moved to the Left did the race become competitive. That means, to me at least, that the country is getting more Liberal, not more Conservative, as we conservatives have preached for the past 60 years.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

“According to witnesses, the riot originally started on social media and ended with 300 to 400 students protesting on the campus.

The riot blew up on social networking sites overnight. Photos were posted all over Twitter, and a video was even uploaded to Youtube.

Photos show huge group of people on the campus, some even lighting Obama-Biden signs on fire in response to the presidential election results.”

but … but … but … I was told that it was the DEMS who were threatening riots … Michelle “get yer hate on” Malkin told me it was so!!!

indigo

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

Scout – 9:43

1. Neither you or I or anyone else can possibly predict what
historians, 100 years from now, will say.

2. There’s not one shred of evidence that any God exists. How is it you can’t understand this?

3. Calling Obama a “thug” is foolish and makes you look very lame.

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

“Now Anne Romney can go back to her horse, car elevator, Cadillacs,millions in profits in Delphi from government bailout money and offshore accounts and lead the privileged life she deserves.”

Now Michelle Obama can go back to . . . the privileged life she deserves. See how utterly non-sensical your statement is?

youcantseetheforestforthetrees

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

foxy lady-the facts are the facts. The “47 percent” is the Democratic base-what are they going to do-vote away their entitlements and go back to work?

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

Tundra Dude: The German says: No profanity is allowed on this blog. It was referring to the filthy gutter Spanish posted earlier.

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

I think USMC, Scout and Del are all at a Tea Party with Allen West :-)

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

“80% of the map turns red on election night but only draws 48% of the vote

That’s because land doesn’t vote…people do

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:54 am

Aquagirl — “We need a constitutional amendment. All those disenfranchised prairie dogs, cattle, and huge tracts ‘o empty land are a travesty.”

No doubt the Limbaugh crew will trot out a map showing all the districts that went for Romney, as if acreage somehow is entitled to suffrage. :roll:

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:56 am

Fair and Balanced. . .i’m going to go out on a limb and say your mind was made up before “We have given you people all the information you need” . .

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
9:56 am

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:56 am

As for those companies that promised to layoff their folks if Obama won…we’ve got our eyes on you and if there ain’t a law against what you’re planning, we’ll make one.

Boortz was just bragging about a guy who told him he called in 5 people that he employs who have Obama bumper stickers and fired them to get below 300 employees………..

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:56 am

saywhat? @ 9:45 — :) :) :)

sirwinston

November 7th, 2012
9:56 am

This morning here in the state of Georiga there are many dissappointments on this Presidential Election. There are people who talk of racism and wanting the White House back to be lived in by whites. For millions……God saw to it that things cannot continue to be onesided, rather, he is about to show us that we are thinking and living wrongly among one and other. We all must learn that being a Republician or Democrat don’t make us better than the other or set anyone of us apart; even if we want to continue to be haves and haves not types of life. I will end with this…Katrina and Sandy should send a message to us all. What we have to day and how we live can be gone with one word for the master. Something is wrong that all of this destructions around us and we don’t pay attention. You now see the light, if not, you need too!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:57 am

“The Repubs first announcement will be to make Obama a Two Term President!”

:lol:

PartyTime

November 7th, 2012
9:57 am

Hey Goldie girl, do you know how “to do math?” Maybe you haven’t taken it in school yet?

Anyway, as of 9:46 AM, here is the official vote count:

Barry 59,666,526 51.1%
Mitt 57,045,501 48.9%
Total 116,712,027 100.0%

I’d say that’s more like 51% to 49%, so it’s pretty safe to say Mr. Romney drew 49% of the vote, not 48%. But hey, who’s counting? Barry rocked the election winning the “popular” vote by about 2.6 million votes, which is equivalent to (means about equal to) less than half the population of Metro Atlanta. Is that a mandate or did he just squeak by?

Enjoy the Ride, aka, the next 4 years!

Morality?

November 7th, 2012
9:57 am

FOUR MORE YEARS FOR THE SOCIALIST MOVEMENT : WINNERS? Vlad Putin – Iran LOSERS? democracy and the USA

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:57 am

Can’t wait to watch Hannity tonight. Any takers on how many times he uses the word “outraged”?

Darwin

November 7th, 2012
9:58 am

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. “The voters have not endorsed the failures or excesses of the president’s first term,” McConnell said. “They have simply given him more time to finish the job they asked him to do together” with a balanced Congress.

Sound familiar?

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
9:58 am

DawgDad

November 7th, 2012
9:47 am

“MESSAGE – If the GOP keeps putting elitist and self centered members of the 1% up as presidential candidates and they saddle with the ultra nationalist neocons they will lose no matter how bad the economy is.”

Ok, how do you explain Democrats? Oh, they find an empty suit front-man, who in the process becomes 1%.
++++++++++++++

Sounds to me like you could find YOUR ideal candidate here…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDe5WnN8ujk

Union

November 7th, 2012
9:58 am

message.. the biggest liar won this one. the other message.. sadly.. is that the party of “give me” now outnumbers the people that actually produce something in this country..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

Flagboy — “Joe – in this plan, are all US citizens required to get the ID card?”

Yes; it also serves as a voter ID.

Without going into too much detail, IMO this would be a multi-year project, set to launch on a certain date. Let’s say, for example, that the cards would be available (and the supporting data infrastructure brought online) by 1 JAN 2017, with all Americans being required to have the card by 1 JAN 2018.

The long lead time would help ensure that everyone can get it without the pressure of an election staring them in the face.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

Morality – “FOUR MORE YEARS FOR THE SOCIALIST MOVEMENT”

Don’t wait too long to book your flight.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

oh god, Rush will be EPIC today. heheh

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

There is some light in the darkness today.

The House remains in Republican hands.

At least for the next two years Obama’s policies can be restrained if not totally thwarted.

Alphare

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

I believe Limbaugh doomed Romney from the beginning. Limb labeled Rom as a flip-flopper, which made Rom shift too much to the right, which he cannot dig out by himself.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

Scout

You must have had the names transposed, when you were posting about Reagan and Carter in 1980.

But in the end, it wasn’t as bad.

:-)

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

“Boortz was just bragging about a guy who told him he called in 5 people that he employs who have Obama bumper stickers and fired them to get below 300 employees………..”

LAWSUIT!

I hope they drag his sorry ass the court and take him DOWN

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
9:59 am

“Hey Mitt and Anne- join Michelle and Jill Biden on a visit to wounded veterans- those 47% moochers you detest and never mentioned once.”

fair and balanced — more good advice for the Cons (like they really care)!

:)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:00 am

K’Chak — “Michelle Malkin.”

So pretty on the outside, but so horribly ugly on the inside. :(

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
10:00 am

“No doubt the Limbaugh crew will trot out a map showing all the districts that went for Romney, as if acreage somehow is entitled to suffrage.”

Yep JHM, they will spin, spin, spin. They’ll try to turn us into ‘geocracy’

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:01 am

mitt said stop the bickering and solve problems on his way out.

This is good advice for the gop and a classy move.

The wealthy will pay more taxes to help the deficit and we will help the middle class get back on their feet.

Our President won the argument but will not get everything he wants . Most of it but not all of it.

There will be deals cut that will upset both partisan sides.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:01 am

midtownguy @ 9:52 — more good advice for the Cons (like they really care)!

:)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:02 am

Hmmm…. I am sure that Boortz would have no problem if employers terminated people for supporting Romney. Perhaps Boortz should just man up and quit before he is terminated. :D

Jeffrey

November 7th, 2012
10:02 am

Their main objective for the last four years was to make Obama a one term president. They should have kept that to themselves. America disagreed that’s the message. Go USA!!!!!!

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
10:02 am

“It is the job of the President to bring us together.”

Uh…No. It is the job of EVERY politician to come together and COMPROMISE and do what is best for the country. It is NOT just the President’s job.

There are things I do not like about Obamacare, but I really like the basic parts. The Republicans had a great opportunity to make changes to it (in return for votes for it) and NOT ONE Republican would work with the Democrats on it, not even Olympia Snowe. The Republicans were too concerned with “our main goal is to limit Obama to one term”. Well, that has failed, so why don’t you now turn to doing what you were elected to do – help run the country. Don’t be just the “Party of No”.

I am sure that Democrats also have played party politics and they need to buckle down and get real with bi-partisanship, also.

But compromise is the answer and you can’t compromise if you go into negotiations with a list of absolutes you will not agree to (e.g. NO INCREASE IN TAXES).

Peter

November 7th, 2012
10:02 am

That means, to me at least, that the country is getting more Liberal, not more Conservative, as we conservatives have preached for the past 60 years.

Define conservatism for us please…… Is it telling women what to do ?

Is it invading other countries ? Is it saying deficits don’t matter ? Is it creating a larger government, as with Bush ? Is it bilking the US Treasury with cost plus contracts ?

Man behind the Curtain

November 7th, 2012
10:03 am

“After Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schummer destroy the American economy, the GOP will reign for the following decade. Unfortunately it may be to late by the time this train wreck is finished.”

After Bush destroyed the economy, the democrats are putting things right, and if they do their jobs and serve the people honorably, will win many elections to come.

Rightwing Troll

November 7th, 2012
10:04 am

“1) Sure the demographics are changing but I believe historians 100 years from now will mark yesterday as the “point of no return” for what was once a great Republic. As Caesar said when he crossed the Rubicon, “Alea iacta est” (the die is cast).”

Scout, I say to you and your ilks that now is the time to get onboard and become part of the solution and no longer part of the problem before “Murum aries attigit” because once the assault has begun there is no quarter given…

Regan forever

November 7th, 2012
10:04 am

Ok Liberals. You guys asked for him, you got him. I now see how clear this is not the country it once was. God help us. Obama will destroy this county.

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
10:04 am

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
9:46 am

Interesting point. They scrambled to put Michael Steele in as RNC chair then had the largest gains in 30 years but their base wasn’t comfortable with “one of them” in such high position. They force Steele out and put in that clown Priebus and look what they got.

As much as many may not like it Obama offered the country something it needed in’08, hope and change and this re-election says most people understand you need time to make this happen. To select Marco Rubio simply because he represents a minority block is like putting Clarence Thomas on the supreme court. Most people know pandering when they see it that’s why Romney/Ryan lost.

Rubio, Jindal, why? What will they represent in 2016? If they represent the same tired nonsense they’ve always brought they’ll get shot down too.

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:05 am

cons might want to think about stopping the lies and living in the real world or they lose all the future elections.

Personally, I hope the cons stay the course so we can finally marginalize them as kooks.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:05 am

The shameful performance of the Florida voting system and other states should not be tolerated. NO one should have to wait in lines for hours to cast a vote, ever.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:05 am

“At least for the next two years Obama’s policies can be restrained if not totally thwarted.”

looks like SOMEONE didn’t read Jay’s analysis

John Wayne

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

Bush destroyed this country? Not as bad as Obama is doing it. LOL you Liberals are clueless. Don’t you know he will over tax you as well. No one is immune to socialism. Morons.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

KUTGF — “Perhaps Boortz should just man up and quit before he is terminated.”

I believe his retirement was announced earlier this year. I think he leaves shortly after the first of the year.

And FWIW, on the day of the SCOTUS decision on the ACA, he said he was taking his family and leaving the country.

Fine by me. One less poisonous gasbag in North America suits me.

Peter

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

“Boortz was just bragging about a guy who told him he called in 5 people that he employs who have Obama bumper stickers and fired them to get below 300 employees………..”

Well this is How Republican’s create jobs isn’t it ?

Since Republican’s are for American’s ….. and being an American means you can voice your opinion, unlike backward countries ?

Alphare

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

PartyTime,

The west is still counting. When it’s all said and done, Barry’s popular vote lead will go up from the current 2.6mill.

BTW, only about 1/3 of all americans voted because of age/absentee or other reasons. So your “less than half the population of Metro Atlanta” is totally flawed. It’s more like the state of Georgia than half of atlanta.

Rightwing Troll

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

Huntsman could’ve won this.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

Union

November 7th, 2012
9:58 am

message.. the biggest liar won this one. the other message.. sadly.. is that the party of “give me” now outnumbers the people that actually produce something in this country..

This is the Neal Boortz lie that those in the trailer parks love the best. I makes them feel good about themselves…….

USA Patriot

November 7th, 2012
10:06 am

Congrat’s to those who are Obama supporters, your guy won.

As for JB’s comment that the GOP must change (conform) to the Democrat agenda, when negotiating a deal both sides have to compromise to achieve a win-win situation (politics, business, marriage, etc.). Let’s hope progress is made for the country, not one side or the other.

Mike

November 7th, 2012
10:07 am

Nice summary Jay. Thanks!

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
10:07 am

Joe, it looks like PPP had the most accurate model in the
history of polling, of those entities that actually do polling.

nobodyyouknow

November 7th, 2012
10:07 am

Back when O,bama was elected 4 years ago some Boston newspaper reporter started his column with “OBAMA WINS STOCKMARKET SOARS” Well theres a big selloff going right now. I wonder where that stupid basterd is today?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:08 am

I now see how clear this is not the country it once was. God help us. Obama will destroy this county

Ahhh… didn’t you already tell us how Obama already destroyed the country….. you are still not seeing clearly. Perhaps it could be constipation that has backed up so badly your vision is impaired.

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:08 am

Keep,

Our President wants to fix the voting system.

Long lines are due to government failing to do their jobs.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:08 am

Regan forever

November 7th, 2012
10:04 am

Ok Liberals. You guys asked for him, you got him. I now see how clear this is not the country it once was. God help us. Obama will destroy this county.
++++++++++++++++

No Republican traitors like you ARE destroying this Country.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
10:09 am

Ok, next part Joe – What happens to people in the country who can’t get an ID card that are here now?

Chris

November 7th, 2012
10:09 am

How can anybody vote for someone who calls terrorists ‘folks he will bring to justice?’ Very disappointed in my country today.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:10 am

Ted Nugent’s tweet … keepin it classy:

“Pimps whores & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America”

nope. no idea WHY no one likes you, Ted … we’re going to need to think about that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:10 am

So pretty on the outside, but so horribly ugly on the inside.

Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:10 am

And RuPaul … keepin it FABULOUS:

“Condragulations @BarackObama Shantay U Stay!”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:10 am

JHM, thanks. I had forgotten about that.

Ol' Timer

November 7th, 2012
10:11 am

My guess is that after all the analysis, the GOTP will conclude they lost because they weren’t conservative enough. I hope that’s their conclusion as it will insure continued Democratic control of the White House.

By the way, has anyone heard whether or not hoards of bicycle riding Mormon Missionaries have breeched the gate of the Senior Enclave in Woodstock? I know they were concerned and locked themselves in at 6:00 last night.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:11 am

And best of all … Mr. Steve Martin:

To commemorate Obama’s victory, I’m having a tea party.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:12 am

SSI — “Joe, it looks like PPP had the most accurate model in the
history of polling, of those entities that actually do polling.”

It does so appear at first blush. I hope to actually crunch some final poll numbers this weekend, but my wife and I have to figure our benefits elections and retirement contributions this weekend and we might not get around to it. During open enrollment, we always crunch the details and agree on things before we actually pull the trigger.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:12 am

Well theres a big selloff going right now.

1.6% is “big”?

Oooooooooookay.

:roll:

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:12 am

Chris

November 7th, 2012
10:09 am

How can anybody vote for someone who calls terrorists ‘folks he will bring to justice?’ Very disappointed in my country today.
++++++++++++++++++++++

US policy UNTIL Bush was to treat terrorists like common criminals, thus denying them the “legitimacy” that they craved. I realize that is too deep a concept for you to understand, especially since Rush didn’t explain it to you, but still, be quiet while the adults talk.

If you need cash for luggage or a plane ticket out of this Country, let me know. I’ll gladly donate to get to Republican traitors the hell out of my Country.

sam

November 7th, 2012
10:13 am

what this comes down to is the fact that you cant just get up there and say anything depending on who is listening and expect people to accept it. Even with high unemployment and everything else, the moderates among us who actually decide these elections are too smart to fall for that stuff. at the very least we know what Obama stands for and believes. After all this attention i still have no idea what Mitt Romney really believes and how he would’ve governed. that is scary. if the GOP had found a good, truly moderate candidate they would’ve (or should’ve) won easily. problem for GOP is because of declining numbers they’ve had to jump in bed with anyone willing to have them (tea party, religious zealots, etc) and now they have to play along with them during elections. by humoring these groups they turn away the folks that are on the fence. for me, i see the way those groups act and think and do the opposite. Obama stepped in to a mess 4 years ago, it is now 100% his mess. Lets hope he can get it turned around quick or it will truly get ugly around these parts.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:13 am

“Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.”

and she SO IS.

moonbat betty

November 7th, 2012
10:14 am

Wow! Just WOW!

So much hate spewed from the left here.

You would think they had lost or something?

Good thing they didn’t…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:15 am

“1.6% is “big”?”

yes, that IS a banana in his pocket. No, he’s not happy to see you.

Country Before Party

November 7th, 2012
10:16 am

Checking the obituaries this morning… no Ted Nugent. Has amyone seen todays arrest report?

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:16 am

moonbat betty

November 7th, 2012
10:14 am

Wow! Just WOW!

So much hate spewed from the left here.
+++++++++++++++++++++

I think you need to change the tint on your glasses mb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ8mlC3mWW4

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:16 am

moonbat,

The destruction of our country argument from the right is just plain silly.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:16 am

Schat-their-pantzen-freude

Heh, heh, heh.

Oscar

November 7th, 2012
10:16 am

Four more years.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
10:16 am

“The shameful performance of the Florida voting system..”

Keep, I was in Jax all day yesterday, and that effort begins today,
It will take 24 months. Rick Scott and his holy rollers will be
utterly destroyed, removed, and rode out on a rail, which he will
then try to bill medicare for…(hosp administrator joke)

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:17 am

UsinUK – off topic, but I just wanted to let you know that I had to have one of my dogs euthanized on Monday. He had a massive respiratory infection we just couldn’t defeat.

Juan

November 7th, 2012
10:17 am

Jay,
Thank you for your insightfull observation of the real America. I look forward to the next election [2014] to really get us on track to having a real two party political system. My father taught me to respect the advantage of our political system that makes America GREAT. And, I am a proud Democrat, in a red state.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
10:17 am

Yep JHM, they will spin, spin, spin. They’ll try to turn us into ‘geocracy’

Bigot! Cows are 3/5ths of a person!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:17 am

Flagboy — “Ok, next part Joe – What happens to people in the country who can’t get an ID card that are here now?”

It’s another reason for the long lead time on going live with the cards. This would be a major governmental undertaking; a huge national project. Such people would be sought out, based on the 2010 census and affirmatively *helped* to get their cards. There might have to be some sort of ‘triage’ done, whereby people who are able to work get helped first and people who are, say, invalids or in nursing homes are helped later (because their main use of the cards will be for voting), but the gov’t would help those people get theirs.

There is an element of ‘I’m-calling-your-bluff’ in here for conservatives. They talk a lot about keeping illegals out of the country and out of our job market, and this is the surest, most effective and cheapest way I can see of doing it (and solving a couple other issues while we’re at it). If conservatives balk at the price, then it makes me think that they’re not *really* serious about the issue.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:17 am

“Obama will destroy this county.”

Regan — do you mean Cobb county or Walton county? I’m confused.

:)

Alex

November 7th, 2012
10:18 am

Jay, so immigration is more important than economics, hmmm. Overall agree with the supposition, the GOP is TOO socially conservative, let’s hope Obama notes that fiscally the country still has some conservatism left…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 7th, 2012
10:18 am

Yes, it was a message election but they won’t really “get” the message
till the 2014 mid-terms.

The GOTV effort in two years will be modeled on what we accomplished
last night. The democrats will not sit out another mid-term. There is already a movement to sweep out the House in 2014.

Oh, and it appears with President Obamas “We got to fix that” comment on voting issues there will be some tidying up of the really messy
way we vote.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:18 am

“The destruction of our country argument from the right is just plain silly”

It always has been…not matter who said it.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:19 am

“Very disappointed in my country today.”

Chris — you might look a little longer in that mirror and ask why.

:)

bill arp

November 7th, 2012
10:19 am

Glad to see Americans(well, northerners, as the map clearly shows), want to pay $5.00 a gallon for gas and have a higher grocery bill, along with having more people on food stamps. Mark my words, the President will somehow seek to get re-elected again four years from now.

If the country is this divided, squarely down the middle, then, the country should be literally divided. Liberals to the north, Conservatives to the south, and be done with it. We’d all live happily ever after, right?

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
10:20 am

Goldie…”Regan — do you mean Cobb county or Walton county? I’m confused.”

LOL!!!

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

“want to pay $5.00 a gallon for gas ”

Gas near me went down 4 cents since Monday

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

K’Chak — “Schat-their-pantzen-freude”

I prefer “Blogenfreude.” :D

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

“Oh, and it appears with President Obamas “We got to fix that” comment on voting issues there will be some tidying up of the really messy way we vote.”

Amen Sister G.– this should be high on our To-Do list! :)

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

The “message” that I GOT FROM THIS ELECTION IS THAT WE ARE A VERY POLARIZED COUNTRY. We hate each other and want everyone that thinks differently from us to all DIE. We can’t get along and we would rather take the entire USA down the tubes than compromise with the “enemy”.

Partisanship is killing this country. It isn’t the Democrats or the Republicans, IT IS BOTH.

Now y’all get together, compromise and do what we elected you to do: run this country, TOGETHER.

We should make the Senators and Representatives be handcuffed to a person of the other party for an indefinite time.

Obamas_a_regionalist

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

Yes, Jay.

Increased immigration makes a lot of sense when we already have a shortage of jobs for the Americans that are already here.

williebkind

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

Well finally Bush is off the hook! Now the bias media has four more years to report on conservatives and not mention anything about those they gave power. This is WillieBKind turning out until 2015. The ball is in your hand now liberals, let’s see how long it takes you to turn us into a European type country.

PartyTime

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

Hey Alphare, I was referencing an absolute number, not eligible voters. Hence, if Barry won by 2.6 million that is a number equal to just less than half the population of Metro Atl., i.e., if Metro Atl has a population of about 6 million …… Conversely, to use your number, if Barry had won by a number equal to the population of the state of GA, then he would have won by about 10 million. Capisce?

only about 1/3 of all americans voted because of age/absentee or other reasons. So your “less than half the population of Metro Atlanta” is totally flawed. It’s more like the state of Georgia than half of atlanta

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

If the country is this divided, squarely down the middle, then, the country should be literally divided. Liberals to the north, Conservatives to the south, and be done with it. We’d all live happily ever after, right?

Here we have another Republican traitor. Since he can’t have his way he wants armed revolution…………….

The people of Spain

November 7th, 2012
10:22 am

In 1898 you defeated us in Cuba and destroyed our fleet in Manilla Bay ( that Dewey fellow), then we had Franco and we’ve been in the Dumps since, now we have 35% unemployment, BUT we promised to get you Americans back and we HAVE!!! Welcome to our world and you can thank us AND yourselves for it..

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:22 am

No collapse, no more losing wars, no scandals and no attacks on our homeland.

Time to focus on our country and our middle class.

This is not destroying our country.

It is making it better.

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
10:23 am

Doggone – my condolences…

redneckbluedog

November 7th, 2012
10:23 am

Georgia and Texas will be Democratic in 2016…!!!!!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:23 am

“So much hate spewed from the left here.”

dyslexic much???

the hate is coming from the right, m’dear

king of mean

November 7th, 2012
10:23 am

its a great day in America – just look at how the Dow is reacting to this fantastic Obama win.

redneckbluedog

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am
If the country is this divided, squarely down the middle, then, the country should be literally divided. Liberals to the north, Conservatives to the south, and be done with it. We’d all live happily ever after, right?
=====================

UH…the last time we tried that….WT Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground…!!!!

the cat

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

The GOP has already trotted out Jeb Bush for 2016. God help us all.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

If conservatives balk at the price, then it makes me think that they’re not *really* serious about the issue.

“If”?

More like “when”.

You and I have discussed this before.

Some people bitch about election fraud and illeeegalz and bureaucracy and czars and government intrusion and constitutionality and costs of governing.

These people don’t want problems solved.

They just want to bitch.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

Goldie — “Regan — do you mean Cobb county or Walton county? I’m confused.”

Bwaaaaaaah! :D

Well spotted, ma’am!

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

Thanks Regnad…he’d been fighting that infection for 3 years, but when he started losing weight I knew he was losing the fight.

n

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

Maybe a couple of months will pass before they fire up the impeachment rhetoric.
Oh wait, they already have started.
Any pretense to thwart a duly elected president.

smike

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

@Doggone >>“The destruction of our country argument from the right is just plain silly”

>It always has been…not matter who said it.

Except for when the left said it at the start of GWB’s 2nd term. Turned out it was a pretty accurate prediction.

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
10:25 am

JAY

I disagree about GOP not changing…the country has changed a lot less than the GOP…unfortunately for the conservatives, they have changed in an incredibly adverse way…they have become much, much more vehement against gay marriage, womens rights and the like which are really of no consequence to those on the right except some BS divine arrogance..some things haven’t changed in terms of big vs small FED government…even that has changed a bit as FED has grown no matter who was in office..

Nothing will change, the best deal that we can hope for re the cliff is $80 billion a year from those making over $500K which is already spent..and cuts that will be punted into the next administration..

The vote wasn’t for blue or red, both were votes for the status quo disguised as change…rubbish

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:25 am

St. Simons, let’s hope so but its not just Florida. Voter suppression, long lines, restricting early voting and other shameful efforts in so many GOP controlled states should never happen again. The US should never become the banana republic the current GOP seeks.

Obama is right, we need to fix it. It is one of the core beliefs of this country: the right to vote and to representation. I think there was even a little party up north about that a few years ago with that beer guy. :D

Clydesdale

November 7th, 2012
10:25 am

Several took me on regarding 80% of the map being red and only 48% of the vote. Your guy got 49%. Don’t think this is a beatdown. The population is divided. Interesting, nobody took me on regarding my final point. The very people who have elected this president twice (blacks, latinos, single women) are the taking the brunt of the “worse off”. Look it up yourself. What has happened to black unemployment in the last 4 years? The Governement will not fix this awful discrepency. Restoring the American dream will!

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

November 7th, 2012
10:25 am

Ok libs/Dems, your guy won, congrats! Now promise me, stop saying its Bush’s fault, during the next four years. Good luck in getting the Repubs House to work with you?

N-GA

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

The GOP contends that they (and they alone) know what’s good for business, the economy and, hence, the American people. They don’t really care what the American people actually think….or want.

A simple observation. Conservatives talk about dealing with illegal immigrants by sending them home, yet at the same time Vidalia onion farmers and Alabama tomato farmers and Florida produce growers scream, plead, beg for cheap, hard-working laborers. Capitalism requires two key ingredients: Economic expansion/growth and cheap labor. When both are in short supply in the USA, they look for them overseas. In the meantime we export weapons and war in order to support the military industrial complex. Eisenhower’s speech bears re-reading: http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

I think he represented the Republican Party much better than those calling themselves Republicans today. So did Reagan. They were true Americans, not ultra-nationalist ideologues. We can only imagine how they would view Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of them…not very kindly I would think.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

Dow down 222

jconservative

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

The politics of the next few months is set in stone. The Sequestration is law and will take place, unless………..! The question on the table is who will compromise or not compromise. No compromise and Sequestration goes into effect. Compromise and it does not.

The Bush/Obama tax cuts are set to expire 1/1/2013. Will there be a compromise or will they expire?

Would combining the two into one deal lead to a compromise? What if Republicans gave the Dream Act to Democrats to sweeten the pot in exchange for a better deal on taxes?

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

redneckbluedog

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am
If the country is this divided, squarely down the middle, then, the country should be literally divided. Liberals to the north, Conservatives to the south, and be done with it. We’d all live happily ever after, right?
=====================

UH…the last time we tried that….WT Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground…!!!!
++++++++++++++++

Learn to quote CORRECTLY.

Confused

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

I’m confused. The republicans keep talking about Fiscal responsibility, socialism, and morals that the country was founded on. Does anyone here know what these things mean? Go ahead and bash me but just remember what you say when China calls in the debt.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

MOTR — “We hate each other and want everyone that thinks differently from us to all DIE.”

I don’t want that at all. I’ve never expressed a wish for death or misfortune to befall a Republican, either one who’s a national figure or one who just posts here.

That said, I think your idea about handcuffing Republican and Democratic lawmakers together is a pretty good one, though.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:26 am

In Fox News’ election coverage Tuesday night, there was little pretense of fairness or balance. What there was, from the start, was a glum tone that turned downright funereal by the time Mitt Romney finally conceded, near 1 a.m. To watch the network’s anchors and guests work through the dawning realization that their candidate was doomed was to witness a textbook case of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross’s five stages of grief.

Denial: With the early returns breaking badly for Romney, Karl Rove points to an exit poll suggesting that Democratic turnout was low in Ohio’s Cuyahoga County. Everyone basks in the critical importance of Ohio’s Cuyahoga County. Anchor Megyn Kelly asks, “Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?” Rove assures her it’s real.

Mike Huckabee, meanwhile, is counting on rural voters to turn things around: “I still think Mitt Romney wins when it is all over.”

Anger: Shortly before the race is called, Sarah Palin says an Obama victory would be a “catastrophic setback to our economy” and lashes out at the public: “I just cannot believe, though, that the majority of Americans would believe that incurring more debt is good for our economy. … I cannot believe the majority of Americans would believe it’s OK not to follow the Constitution and not have a budget.”

As midnight nears and reality sinks in, Megyn Kelly takes out her frustration on liberal colleague Susan Estrich: “You, having managed the Michael Dukakis campaign, are familiar with the losing feeling.”

Bargaining: With all of the networks calling the race for Obama, including Fox News, Karl Rove pleads for his fellow hosts to un-call Ohio, promising that forthcoming returns in the state will be favorable to Romney.

Kelly, followed by the cameras, heads back through the bowels of the building to grill Fox News’ decision desk and see if the network’s analysts will change their minds. They won’t.

Depression: Ed Henry, reporting stone-faced from Obama headquarters as it erupts in jubiliation: “The crowd is near pandemonium now, despite the fact that unemployment is hovering near 8 percent.”

Charles Krauthammer: “As a psychiatrist, I will offer to write prescriptions for anyone who needs them right now.”

Acceptance: Still waiting on this one.

http://slate.me/TKNQIR

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
10:27 am

Jay, in your book the focus is all on the GOP and how they need to “adapt” to a “changing” America.

But what about the Democrats who got trounced in 2010? Weren’t they also facing a ‘change’ of sorts?

If the Democrats go through with their cuts to the big 3 as Obama is already very clear telegraphing, look for the mother of all “shellackings” in the ‘14 mid-terms.

smike

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

@king >>its a great day in America – just look at how the Dow is reacting to this fantastic Obama win.

You mean the same Dow that nearly doubled during his first term?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

…want to pay $5.00 a gallon for gas…

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me.

For those who predicted $6 a gallon gasoline on election day, I filled up at $3.22 a gallon yesterday in Conyers.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

“Except for when the left said it at the start of GWB’s 2nd term. Turned out it was a pretty accurate prediction”

No, it wasn’t. The country is still here, still strong. Economic bumps, even BIG ones, don’t equal desctruction of the country. Rome is gone. We are not.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

king of mean

November 7th, 2012
10:23 am

its a great day in America – just look at how the Dow is reacting to this fantastic Obama win.
++++++++++++++++++

Yeah they were all set for all they could steal if Romenty had been elected. Imagine their surprise when they encountered people who couldn’t be bought and voted for PRINCIPLE not personal wealth to be gained of others misfortune.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

Peter, as to your request for a definition of conservatism, it’s quite simple. Personal responsibility. Don’t expect the taxes that others pay to fund your lifelong paid vacation. Stop looking for the gub-ment to do everything for you.

Hope that helps you.

nelson

November 7th, 2012
10:29 am

The stock market down 243 points, that is their reaction to Prez Os reelection

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:29 am

Tom — “Ok libs/Dems, your guy won, congrats! Now promise me, stop saying its Bush’s fault, during the next four years.”

Just as soon as cons stop bleating about Clinton and Carter. Carter’s been out of office for THIRTY YEARS, for crying out loud.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 7th, 2012
10:29 am

bill arp

“Mark my words, the President will somehow seek to get re-elected again four years from now.”

What? a miss a chance for a Clinton/Warren ticket?

I can imagine it now…..

President Hillary in the Ovarian office!

Krystal'sBalls

November 7th, 2012
10:29 am

And now all of the lunatic fringe know why we do not take them seriously and view them as PROPAGANDIZED, LOW-INFORMATION (but “rugged”) individuals.

They willingly come out here and perpetuate the propaganda and talking points, they LIVE in a conspiracy theory world and rely HEAVILY on hack websites of people who are DEAD to instill and govern their socio-political pholosphy. I reeled whenever i would read things like “landslide” and “poll skewing due to oversampling Democrats”, declare “apocalypse”, etc. NEVER ONCE doing their own research or expanding it. They just happily regurgitate what is implanted into them by HACKS who exploit them to make a dollar – blowing the walls off the echo chamber. To a sane person this appears as INSANE, which is why we laugh and poke fun. We have to laugh in order to keep from CRYING…and it’s sad, because unlike many of THEM we actually view our fellow man (and woman) as such. Amazing.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
10:30 am

he’d been fighting that infection for 3 years, but when he started losing weight I knew he was losing the fight.

Sorry to hear that Doggone…doing the right thing can sure feel awful. :(

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

“Hope that helps you”

It shouldn’t…because you have not described conservatism…you’ve described social Darwinism

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

nelson: “The stock market down 243 points, that is their reaction to Prez Os reelection”

Get a clue. It was brought on by Draghi’s announcing further contagion in Europe affecting German economic outlook. Nothing to do with US election.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

Jm — “Dow down 222″

Traders are just trying to draw attention to themselves so they get thrown another fish, uh, round of quantitative easing. :)

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh of Illinois…

Gott im Himmel, danke.

(just in case she’s a Kraut.)

TBone

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

Everybody knows that the US is full of stupid people. As the sheep are led to their slaughter, I marvel at the arrogance of the enlightened. Of course you are not one of the stupid people. Look at how blacks flocked to a man that has never been down for the struggle with them because he is in fact an elitist. In fact, he has created policy that has worsened his peoples plight, yet they seem more willing to accept a handout than hand up.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

Kam, a family member told me gas was under $3 in SC 2 days ago.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:32 am

“doing the right thing can sure feel awful”

It can indeed…but when the Vet called me after the necropsy to tell me how bad it really was, it helped a lot to know I made the right decision.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
10:32 am

Joe, i would say ‘host has my email’ if you have an accounting
question, but you don’t need it, your figgers here are impeccable.

I just got through with this –
United Health Care cadillac plan is going up 27%
oh crap, you say?
Amount it went up during the (three) Bush terms – 1,200.0%
in everywhere but kolob & con-world, that’s improvement.
Thanks, Mr Obama & ACA

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:32 am

“But what about the Democrats who got trounced in 2010? ”

Occupation– it’s a typical scenario that the White House gets “trounced” in off-year elections and then it reverts back the other way 2 years later… a la 1992 Clinton wins, 1994 Repubs win Congressional majority, then 1996 another Clinton term. Usually the off-year elections produce over-reaching by the loonies who think they have “a mandate” and start creating crazy bills in Congress that never get passed, etc. Just like 2010… you’re welcome!

:)

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
10:33 am

Joe – So, once everyone has a card, that’s it? What happens to people who come into the country afterward? Are they deported? And what if they come into this country, live for a year and have children? What happens to that family?

I don’t have an issue with this plan. I’d argue that we have the ability to do the same thing now if someone actually had the stomach to do it. I mean, i’m sure it’s easy to fake SS#’s, but it might be the same with fake a national ID card number or something. There would be a ton of specifics to hammer out, but that’s a given with any plan.

I think it’s a losing battle trying to “find” illegals who are here now. But something has to happen with continued illegal immigrants coming across the border. But I honestly don’t think the Democrats have the stomach to make a concerted effort to stop this. Maybe you disagree with me on that.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:34 am

“Everybody knows that the US is full of stupid people. As the sheep are led to their slaughter, ”

And TBone thinks that insulting 50% of the American people will win his Party the votes in 2 more years… keep it comin’ TBone!

:)

Partisay

November 7th, 2012
10:35 am

Excellent, excellent article. I have not read any of the postings yet, but I can guess those on the right will attack it and say it’s just not true. I’m sure they will have other excuses. It was spot on.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

November 7th, 2012
10:35 am

The GOP message on jobs, the economy/fiscal responsibility is a good one.

Based on his first term, these issues are clearly not President Obama’s strengths. And he hasn’t shown the slightest interest in remediating his breathtaking ignorance about business and the economy, so I don’t expect him to get religion during his second term.

He certainly has the capacity to acquire the knowledge, but it’s not where his passions lie. He’s an uncompromising social reformer. Health Care reform trumped economic recovery during his first term.

Bipartisanship is as foreign to him as paying income taxes are to his base constituency.

But the extreme stance the GOP takes on gay marriage, abortion and immigration killed Romney yesterday with LGBT, women and hispanic voters.

There is no doubt Republicans need to tweak their message if they aspire to appeal to these groups.

Erwin's cat

November 7th, 2012
10:35 am

A 2% differential in the popular vote is hardly a “mandate” or “clear choice”
Congrats Dems….time it own it…all of it

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:36 am

“But what about the Democrats who got trounced in 2010? Weren’t they also facing a ‘change’ of sorts?”

um. yeah. did you notice the votes last night??? you might want to peruse Jay’s analysis above for a refresher.

as the song goes … it’s a new dawn, it’s a new day, it’s a new life.
and I’m feeeeeelin’ gooooood …

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:36 am

A 2% differential in the popular vote is hardly a “mandate” or “clear choice”
Congrats Dems….time it own it…all of it

Pats by 3.

Where is Izzy today ?

November 7th, 2012
10:36 am

Good Morning Izzy? Its a great day now that oblunder as you say, was re-elected. I hope you have your crying towel because last at 8:41pm you had Romnesia and claim Mitt would win VA, FLA ,Ohio, etc. Just goes to show when you are the party of liars, lying to your base and media comes naturally. You been had, hoodwinked, led astray, bamboozled…Now take that crying towel you stuck up your @$$ after the first debate and wipe your face with it!!

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
10:36 am

Lotta hate spewing from the left today. Like Moonbat said you would think they would be happy. Or maybe they just know deep down inside that in the next 4 years that we will vault towards 20 trillion in debt with continued sluggish economic growth.

The gf showed me a comment this morning from her Facebook page from a former coworker who said she was looking forward to getting her Obama care. Apparently the woman thinks its more free shyte that she doesn’t have to pay for. Can’t wait to see her comments when she realizes that not only is it going to cost more but that if her employer drops coverage that she will have to pay a fine if she doesn’t purchase it. Can’t wait to see it unfold. But in reading her comment it was sad to see that it was this kind of sheer ignorance that got Obama elected. Gonna be a hilarious 4 years to watch. Just remember. You guys voted for this!

Elliot Garcia

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

The message has clearly been sent….Nobody cares about jobs or gridlock! It’s all about gay sex and free stuff….

Erwin's cat

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

My European colleagues have been congratulating me (read Americans) all morning on the O victory…Apparently Mexico could care less

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

“I prefer “Blogenfreude.”

Bwaaaa — I wish I had more sleep last night and could think up these multi-lingual insults this morning! Well done, Libs! :)

BoogerFling

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

The message is:

Buckle up… the road’s about to get nasty moving FORWARD!

Hysterical Right Wing Bible Thumpin' Gun Nut

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

Great News!

Donald Trump said he is getting a complete re-count and has a copy of Obama’s REAL birth certificate!

I told you we would prevail!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:38 am

SSi — “I just got through with this – United Health Care cadillac plan is going up 27%”

I freakin’ HATE UHC, but I will give them this; my United rheumatologist is *miles* better than the one I had at Kaiser.

IMO, in most other respects, UHC sucks on toast compared to Kaiser, but I haven’t got a choice any longer.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:38 am

Oh, and Jay you gave the o/u for number of bloggers banned last night as 4 and I took the under.

What did I win?

indigo

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

Doggone/GA

I’m sorry for your loss.

All you can really do is grieve and cry.

A dog can be the best friend you ever have.

They have all the good qualities of people and none of their bad ones.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

Bottom line here, folks…The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans voted for president Obama, therefore a MAJORITY of Americans liked his view. If you are in the minority, please learn to live with the fact that most Americans don’t think like you. It is just our Democratic system at work. AMERICA! DON”T YOU JUST LOVE IT?

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

NGA

“The GOP contends that they (and they alone) know what’s good for business, the economy and, hence, the American people. They don’t really care what the American people actually think….or want”.

Tread carefully…lest ye forget the PelosiCare that, despite significant majority against, was suggestive that DEMS know what was better for us…The DEMs also think that a tax increase (im in favor) of $80 billion per year that is already spent is the grand plan…both parties seem to agree that we should continue spending 30% more than we take in annually..

Both are guilty of knowing what is better for us..look where we are..

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

Goldie:

Of course, that’s true, the back and forth of gen and mid-term elections is part of a natural rhythm of the political system. But right now the wild swings we’re seeing from term to term is part of a deeper set of symptoms suggesting a political system that is in deep crisis and with profound problems of representation. Large blocs of people are feeling underrepresented, poorly represented, or not at all represented by the two big capitalist parties of big business.

That problem is not going to get better. It’s going to get much, much worse. The so-called fiscal “cliff” will kick that off.

Erwin's cat

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

Spank

November 7th, 2012
10:40 am

Everybody gets taxed more,the poor get poorer,the rich get richer,not one rich person said they were against being taxed more,they can afford it but the middle class on down are the losers,more services less taxes not ever

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:40 am

Thanks Indigo

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
10:40 am

Can’t wait to see it unfold.

Yeah, I really enjoy watching sick people deprived of healthcare. I plan my life around such enjoyable moments.

Now what were you saying about hatefests?

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:40 am

“Stocks Plunge As Europe Reveals Bad Economic News”

Austerity caused another recession so it will be like this for a while.

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
10:41 am

So now that Obama has won exactly what is going to be different in his 2nd term?

Crickets chirping…

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:43 am

stevie,

ObamaCare won.

It had to be addressed because insurance became unaffordable.

Get over it.

monty

November 7th, 2012
10:43 am

Jay, you are right, obviously the country is emerging, but into what? Legalized dope, same sex marriage,doctor assisted suicide, government controlled healthcare, and on and on we can go. THe loonies are running the assylum. But you know and your readers know, that the greatest generation and all generations since the country was founded would be rolling over in their graves the way we are emerging. Just because everyone is going to hell doesn’t mean I have to go with them. I’ll stay true to my values no matter how far left the culture drifts. Maybe that means my party will never be in power again,so be it, but everyone saying a foot is really 13 inches in length, doesn’t make it so.

SwamiDave

November 7th, 2012
10:43 am

Jay:

To your points:

1) Yep, the polls weren’t skewed. It is disappointing, but more people voted who supported a continuation of the existing policies. Policies which are not and will not improve our economic condition.

2) It is no secret that I supported other candidates for the Republican nomination. That said, Romney would have been a much better option than Obama, but that die is cast and the consequences will result. Since I hold a generally optimistic world view, I ascribe to the outlook that America is a center-right nation with a populace that values freedom over dependence & equality of opportunity over outcomes. Frankly, I do not think that Romney is a very good at articulating that vision & would have preferred a nominee that could.

3) As for changes, this is a different country & recent trends highlight this. There are numbers of issues in our country and there is a marked divide in the proposed solutions to them. One of America’s biggest problems is a complete lack of trust between the two sides. The end result of 2012 is effectively the same government that we started with when the election cycle began & something will have to markedly change for things to be any different. Sequestration, the “Fiscal Cliff”, stagnant growth, growing debt / deficits, & systemic unemployment / underemployment await those who won and are going nowhere on our current path.

Unfortunately, recent events make a past quote foreshadow a potentially bleak reality:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” -de Toqueville

We shall see.

-SD

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:44 am

“A 2% differential in the popular vote is hardly a “mandate” or “clear choice””

I’m sorry … but exactly WHERE is that HUGE trounce that we were promised by the right??? you know the one … “2010 was a warning shot” … THAT landslide …

where is it again???

SS88

November 7th, 2012
10:44 am

All that you need to know about the election is summed up in these words ~ “The country has changed.” And that is a good thing.

getalife

November 7th, 2012
10:44 am

doomy,

Instead of asking silly questions, start listening to our President.

Thanks.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

“government controlled healthcare”

when you have to lie to make your point, you have no point

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

Aquagirl,

Can u point out where specifically I am applauding sick people not getting health care? That’s not what I’m laughing about. What I’m laughing about is the look on peoples faces when they realize they’re not getting more free shyte after all.

clem

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

reading conserv comments illustrates clearly why they lost and likely to lose in future

Alex

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

I see the making of the left overplaying their hand, do not be fooled the country is NOT happy with Obama and his economic policies, the right was too overloaded with social conservatives that do NOT reflect a changing America. This election has given the far right a wake up call, will they answer it?-I don’t know . To Kamachk, Granny, Joe, your anger and vitriole still hangs in the air like sewer effluent, disappointing really……

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

Obama just signed an executive order banning speedos.

Same old failed whines from our conned failure prognosticators demanding attention.

monty

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

The dollar fell against the euro when the election results were announced. Wrap your brains around that one, if you can.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

“So now that Obama has won exactly what is going to be different in his 2nd term? ”

he’s not running for reelection.

Goldie

November 7th, 2012
10:47 am

Yes, Corbin Sharpe. I love America! She keeps on kickin’, flaws and all!

:)

ad

November 7th, 2012
10:47 am

Nunna – You’ve just illustrated the problem with the GOP’s thesis on things. Yes, there are people who are “moochers,” but MOST people want to be productive. When Romney labeled 47% of the country as unimportant, he was including a ton of hard working people who just don’t make enough money to owe income taxes. Those are the people serving in our military, picking our crops, working in our food service industry and, in general, keeping civilization functioning, while barely making enough to get by. The right called Obama divisive and then turned around and thought they could win while berating half the country. Stupid.

clem

November 7th, 2012
10:47 am

why does a slightly center right country elect a dem for prez and increase numbers in senate? with still high unemployment and everyone looking over their shoulder?

SwamiDave

November 7th, 2012
10:48 am

Corbin:

“AMERICA! DON”T YOU JUST LOVE IT?”

Yep, just like I love my kids even when they make the wrong decision. In the same way, I work with them to pick up the pieces, understand that their decisions have consequences, and try to help them make better decisions the next time.

-SD

Alex de Toqueville Trebek

November 7th, 2012
10:48 am

The country has changed.

The Republican party has not and has withered away and died.

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
10:49 am

JOE,

Interesting commentary on lack of proper ID…I’m not sure it is as expensive, given our governments concept of money of course, as you may think…

Per AARP, there are 21 million who do not have picture ID which is 11% of senior population..it may cost a 5 billion tops if we include the rest of those who citizens but still without ID….if we have to borrow 30%, then the outstanding principal and interest need to be accounted for..of course we could offset this with estimated $5.6 billion for getting rid of the dollar and going with coin:-)

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-10-24/dollar-enters-deficit-debate/50898164/1

Money well spent IOHaving a driver’s license or photo identification card is commonplace for most Americans, but about 11 percent of adult citizens — more than 21 million people — lack a valid, government-issued photo ID, according to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.

Get Real

November 7th, 2012
10:49 am

I am seeing the message in the market today….CRASH; off to meet with financial advisor before everything I have worked for is taken away by our new entitlement driven society….what a shame

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
10:50 am

USinUk…”I’m sorry … but exactly WHERE is that HUGE trounce that we were promised by the right???”

Lol. That Republican landslide that would give Republicans the Presidency, Senate and House, ended up giving us a Democratic President, 2 additional Democratic Senate seats, and +5 Dem House seats.

Republicans, you may now spike the football!

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
10:50 am

“why does a slightly center right country elect a dem for prez and increase numbers in senate? with still high unemployment and everyone looking over their shoulder?”

I know, I know!!!!!

Because the “dem” was as close to “center right” as makes no difference, and nobody could tell just WHAT the other candidate was about!

monty

November 7th, 2012
10:50 am

Doggone

Are you naive or just stupid?

ATLien

November 7th, 2012
10:50 am

Republicans are just flat out of touch with the way the country is moving. Increasing diversity increasing social tolerance. Republicans social values and reliance on bigoted older white males are going the way of the dodo. Wake up or face obscurity (hopefully the latter).

The funny thing is they started to debate this briefly last night on Fox News…..Fox News is a major perpetrator of this bigoted, ignorant and intolerant POV. The SOUTH was lock step for Romney (though we await Florida’s results). Is there correlation b/w the south and racism and social conservatism?!. Of course! Hence your resounding defeat in an election that could have been won

Very happy for your continued stupidity and I hope that your party and the factions that focus on a bigoted intolerant way of life fade into obscurity.

FORWARD!!!!!

AmericaShrugged

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

Thanks Jay. Now tomorrow will you please explain the message behind 55% of the House and 60% of the Governors being Republican?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

Flagboy — “Joe – So, once everyone has a card, that’s it?”

New cards would have to be issued on an ongoing basis as Americans’ families grow. And, of course, there will always be illegal immigration and lost cards will have to be invalidated (and replacements issued).

“What happens to people who come into the country afterward? Are they deported?”

Same thing that happens now. They visit under the terms of whatever visa they have. If they stay and obey the laws and regulations, they can obtain work authorization (and their card would only be good for that; they couldn’t use it to vote). Foreign professionals who come here temporarily to work (e.g. in technical fields) would receive work authorization as part of their visa, so they’d get a card that *only* entitled them to work (not to vote or do anything else) for the *approved* duration of their stay. When their authorization runs out, their card stops working.

“And what if they come into this country, live for a year and have children? What happens to that family?”

Existing law would be followed. You seem to have an issue with existing law in this area; my idea doesn’t address that; it’s merely a tool to help enforce laws and limits that are already on the books. Of course, in the case of *changes* to those laws, my idea would still be a useful tool.

“I don’t have an issue with this plan. I’d argue that we have the ability to do the same thing now if someone actually had the stomach to do it. I mean, i’m sure it’s easy to fake SS#’s, but it might be the same with fake a national ID card number or something. There would be a ton of specifics to hammer out, but that’s a given with any plan.”

Again, this would need to be high-tech and difficult to forge. And I’d make forgery or fraud pertaining to these cards a *serious* Federal felony.

“I think it’s a losing battle trying to “find” illegals who are here now.”

I agree. It would be cost-prohibitive to find and deport them.

“But something has to happen with continued illegal immigrants coming across the border. But I honestly don’t think the Democrats have the stomach to make a concerted effort to stop this. Maybe you disagree with me on that.”

I think we do, and I think the GOP is more interested in making illegosos the target of their efforts, rather than the employers who give them a *reason* to come here. Develop a system where employers stand to incur *serious* penalties for violating the law, and the jobs dry up. And when the jobs dry up, illegosos stop coming. But if prospective immigrants *know* they can benefit by working through the system and getting temporary work authorization (and employers know that, too), then we bring everyone in from the cold, PLUS we gain a measure of control over the system.

Frankly, I think that all sides and all interested parties benefit from that.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

jm- Dow down 222

double secret mystic Native american advice – buy low, sell high

that’ll be $250, i don’t take checks

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

Get Real: “I am seeing the message in the market today….CRASH”

Get real? How about you get a clue instead? As I said above, it’s nothing to do with the US election, but Draghi’s announcement today concerning contagion in the Euro Zone, affecting the German economic outlook.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:52 am

So now that Obama has won, exactly where is all the talk about Elmer Fudd defeating him easily?

Crickets chirping…

Halftrack

November 7th, 2012
10:52 am

This is a win by the Media for Obama. But what did they win? Our Country will be worse off by the end of the next 4 years.

Alex

November 7th, 2012
10:52 am

to all: in MY opinion (as if that matters), the ideas of swammi and escape from purgatory are very realistic, rational and historically sound, read them…or you can be like Kamchak……..

de Touqueville-doesn’t get ANY better than that!

Mama Says

November 7th, 2012
10:53 am

Generally agree Jay however its hard to accept the message from you when you start it out with a typical left wing lie. The rich conservatives dumping money ? You put that out there like there are no rich liberals dumping money into the races.

Another problem with your thesis is that it assumes that conservatisim as you put it is not liked. It was not conservatisim that was the problem, it was extreme comments and thoughts by some conservatives which enabled you guys to argue the old “see i told you so” BS.

To act like Romney or McCain were extreme cons in the last two cycles is stupid. The cons could not have nominated two more moderate conservatives than those two. Romney was no right wing neo con and you know it. He was a moderate who passed a state wide healthcare bill and worked with a very unbalanced legislature in that state.

His needed to appear more conservative to the republican base, no different than the need Obama himself used in order to beat Hillary.

You libs know Romney wasnt going to kill Obama Care and you know he cant outlaw abortions. You also know tha in truth, he agrees with 98% of Obamas approach to world events.

Does the right need to moderate the overall message ? Surely. However the redefining efforts of our moderate canidates, by the left, played a large part in the results. Could Romney get nominated by arguing for heathcare and open borders ? No ! but Obama could not get elected openly agreeing with Bush on national security, So he acted as if he didn’t. Once in office he moderated that stance.

The problem for cons is that for us it’s a right or wrong world. If the law says you have to follow a legal process to enter the country then thats what you need to do. If the law says marraige is between a man and a woman thats what it is. To liberals, laws need to modified when disagreed with. Generally cons think they should just be enforced.

The cons have two big issues before them at this point. They have to reconcile the constitution with the Bible (and that may not occur) and they have to understand that moderate compromise is required. We have the economic base to win that part of a national discussion, we need to reach out to minorities and find common ground on social issues. When we can moderate to support abortion in certain circumstances we will be more in line with African Americans, when we can support a immigration policy that isnt so black and white we will have the hispanics.

The libs should careful. This path to the future is potentially just as damning for you guys. If we conservatives can push out the old guy party leaders and talk to the minority folks of this country like they are people, your party will die. But then again we havent been able to do that as of yet.

but if we ever do it I have no idea what the liberal argument could be.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:53 am

Doom — “So now that Obama has won exactly what is going to be different in his 2nd term? ”

Nothing; y’all will still complain about him.

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
10:53 am

JOE,

My bad..I was assuming a net cost of $100 per..but once we add the vigorous for contractors and other leeches, I understated estimated cost..perhaps materially..as you likely assumed I the $100 per is a rectal estimate…

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
10:53 am

Clem, Regnad Kcin: “why does a slightly center right country elect a dem for prez …. / Because the “dem” was as close to “center right” as makes no difference”

Light bulb starting to come on?

As I said above, quoting Pete Beinart fr last night: Yes, America is a “center-right” nation, and that’s why the center-right party – the DEMOCRATIC party – is winning.

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

“monty”

Yet another new name around here today. Well, today is Republican change your name day.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

Liberalism won pretty handily last night. Just thought I’d point that out again. And no, not because Obama was re-elected. He’s only psuedo-liberal. Pot legalization, same sex marriage legalization, newer taxes being approved, etc etc. For the record, forcing people to BUY health care was the conservative Heritage Foundation’s idea, so any ballot measures meant to repudiate that, that won, actually repudiate conservatism. And also have no effect.

DownInAlbany

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

I’ve eaten my crow this morning. It’s not tasty…even with salt and pepper. The people have spoken, I accept that. I do not agree with Obama’s policies. I think he has a misguided vision of what this great country should be. He is, though, the president for the next 4 years. I will support him when I agree and criticize when I don’t.

Have a blessed day!

Jackie

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

Shawny

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

The message is that if a party puts in a weak candidate that lost to a weaker candidate 4 years ago (McCain), then they will lose.
DOW down big. Gold (hedge against inflation) up. Dollar value down.
Companies replacing FT workers with PT ones so that they do not have to cover them with insurance or pay the fine.
I think the real message may have not been understood by the mob mentality masses.

monty

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

Nanny state, hard to wean people off of freebies. Everyone is entitled. I think it was Maryland that voted to send kids of illegal aliens to school(paid for by you the citizen). Great gig if you can get it!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

S. Dave — “Yep, just like I love my kids even when they make the wrong decision. In the same way, I work with them to pick up the pieces, understand that their decisions have consequences, and try to help them make better decisions the next time. ”

Then you understand the liberal position vis-a-vis our conservative friends and neighbors. :D

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

“Are you naive or just stupid?”

Unanswerable question…since I don’t know what you are talking about.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

joe – i was just asking. you’re very quick to assume I have an issue with existing law. I was simply asking if that would continue in your plan.

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

Like Moonbat said you would think they would be happy.

I am. I think it is a little unseemly to go on about it though.

Don't Forget - Obama is a two term president.

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

“So now that Obama has won exactly what is going to be different in his 2nd term? ”

Either the R’s realize that this is a democracy and NOBODY gets their way on everything and start compromising with the dems or they lose the house in 2014.

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

carcass SHEETZ.

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
10:56 am

“Halftrack”

Welcome aboard???? Do you know monty?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
10:56 am

For all the conned now apparently demanding to know what Obama is going to do (cause they were not paying attention to the announced plans during the election when making their informed choices?), tell us….. what are the House republicans going to change to work with the Senate and the President?

We already know that most conned want to continue the same blocking nonsense…. how did that work out for ya?

the cat

November 7th, 2012
10:56 am

Thulsa-it must be hell to be you.

monty

November 7th, 2012
10:57 am

Dannyx

No one’s changed their name, I come around here every once in awhile. Jay can verify that if you like.

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
10:57 am

He is, though, the president for the next 4 years. I will support him when I agree and criticize when I don’t.

And DowninAlbany joins my list of decent fellers.

headin’ upstairs.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:57 am

S. Ray — “Interesting commentary on lack of proper ID…I’m not sure it is as expensive, given our governments concept of money of course, as you may think…”

You’re only getting part of the discussion; the national ID would need to be tied to a national data infrastructure and have a high level of data security involved. This would have to be a major national project.

I think that guesses have been tossed around involving tens of billions in costs for such a program.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
10:57 am

…or you can be like Kamchak…:

So, are you campaigning to be the president of the local chapter of my fan club?

Are you promising matching sweatshirts?

Don't Forget - Obama is a two term president.

November 7th, 2012
10:57 am

Compromise – it’s not just for dems anymore.

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
10:58 am

GETALIFE

I could care less who got elected..you, as usual, have no clue whatsoever on the actuarial estimates of premium to offset loss leaders comprised by newly insured and the fact that we have a shortage of physicans and nurses that will get much worse…the “cuts from squeezing costs out of system” will never happen for reasons you likely will never understand..

As usual, you posts are shallower than a hair folicle…

Alex

November 7th, 2012
10:58 am

@ATLien, now your statement really pushes the discussion FORWARD…..Goodness, same old -if you think diferently you must be a racist -the same old inner city ATLANTA mentality—yes, yes…..

monty

November 7th, 2012
10:59 am

Doggon-”since I don’t know what you are talking about”

Question answered!

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:00 am

De Tocqueville was right. The pigs at the trough are victorious. They will continue to vote themselves goodies right up until when they collapse the whole system. And what will they do then?

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:01 am

JOE,

You may be correct as I’m not remotely familiar with national security costs…the proposals I see are state driven..the states would be responsible for costs to campaign/media, the actual cost to provide and deliver, in some cases, the free ID..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:01 am

S. Ray — “the $100 per is a rectal estimate…”

Is that a professional, term, ‘rectal estimate?’ :D

Atlantan

November 7th, 2012
11:03 am

GOP clearly has work to do, but interesting they kept the House. The good news this is now Obama’s and the left – no more blaming Bush. It is time for real leadership, self- responsibility and maybe Harry will write a budget…

Will Jay and the MSM finally tell us the real unemployment rate and discover Benghazi or care? Also I noticed the Afghanistan death count ended in Jan 2009. Why? The Obama rules of engagement are hurting our troops, but who cares?? Also Sandy clean up is a mess, but they are blue states so have at it.

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:03 am

The cat,

Life is still good for me. But then I don’t depend on the gubment.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:04 am

Flagboy — “joe – i was just asking. you’re very quick to assume I have an issue with existing law. I was simply asking if that would continue in your plan.”

Well, I did say that you ’seemed’ to have an issue. I simply articulated how you were coming across.

No, my plan wouldn’t change existing law; it would simply be a tool to help enforce existing law and to streamline some processes of national importance (e.g. voting, ensuring only Americans and authorized aliens obtain jobs, etc.)

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
11:05 am

What I’m laughing about is the look on peoples faces when they realize they’re not getting more free shyte after all.

Doomy, it’s healthcare. Nobody loves going to the doctor and having medical procedures, that “free shyte” you’re talking about is not beer or speedos. I realize you’re young and have benefited from things like women willing to pay for their own birth control while you take the free ride, so you don’t get it. You think wanting healthcare is like wanting beer, ice cream or an SEC championship.

Apparently this woman has a job and would prefer not to worry about going broke maintaining her health. She joins the legions of entitled parasites jonesing for things like colonoscopies.

If you want to laugh at her because she’s freaking out over serious business go ahead with your @$$ey behavior. Maintain the conservative/Republican sleigh ride to hell. The non-@$$holes of this country are apparently tired of your “whoo-hoo lookit that b!tch suffer haw-haw!” fratboy ways.

So I’ll leave you to your poutfest. It’s guys like you who handed Democrats lots of votes, the DNC can’t buy that kind of advertising for all the money in the world.

Jack

November 7th, 2012
11:05 am

Obama didn’t win the election because he’s qualified to govern. He won because over half of the voters suffer from a Hollywood type of mentality and because of a white-guilt syndrome. I got the message, Bookman, the voters prefer a Muslim in the White House. Good luck with that.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:06 am

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

“New cards would have to be issued on an ongoing basis as Americans’ families grow. And, of course, there will always be illegal immigration and lost cards will have to be invalidated (and replacements issued).”
_________
I understand where you’re coming from about going after the jobs rather than the people, but there are more benefits from being in the US than just jobs. Education, expanded health care, etc. And, of course, it would be difficult to watch/regulate who is being paid or how people are being paid, so it would still be difficult to stop.

I would agree with basically legalizing all illegals who are here now. But there really needs to be a better effort to make coming across the border more difficult as well. cue laughter and jokes about the border wall

I’d be with the ID card. I’d also want more effort in protecting the borders.

Honest Conservative

November 7th, 2012
11:06 am

Jay, I think you’re right. I hate to say it, but I do. I’m white, upper middle class, suburbanite, Christian, conservative, etc. Typical dyed in the wool GOP voter. But I woke up this morning and realized two sobering truths – 1) “Whitey” is dead. It’s no longer good enough to only cater to the white (shrinking) majority in this country; and 2) this may be the last time we see the GOP as it used to be. I say “may be” because traditions and habits are hard to break, but I think there are enough young up-and-coming GOP stars that are smart enough and articulate enough to induce a change in the party that can appeal to both the conservative base and the changing demographics. You want to talk “hope and change”? Well, hope for change may be all we’ve got at this point if our party is to remain relavent.

barking frog

November 7th, 2012
11:07 am

Just an election. We’ll do half of
it again in two years and all of
it again in four years. May even
elect a native american president
someday.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:07 am

Doom — “Life is still good for me. But then I don’t depend on the gubment.”

The cat, don’t let him pull the wool over your eyes. He sells Medicare supplement policies. I’m thinking his bidness is dependent on Medicare continuing to have holes in its coverage. :D

I’m headed upstairs, Doom; you may berate me there if you wish.

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
11:08 am

“To act like Romney or McCain were extreme cons in the last two cycles is stupid. The cons could not have nominated two more moderate conservatives than those two.”

You are correct, and if it had been a case of just voting for these two without the baggage of their VP choices and the go-extreme-right shift to appease the party, I would have probably voted for them. But if they can’t CAMPAIGN on a centrist platform, then they AREN’T centrist, no matter what you might say they will or won’t do. If they are that much in the sway of the party, then the party may TELL them how they will act as President.

The Democrat party at least had disagreements in their ranks about Obamacare, so it was not a dictatorial party. They had to compromise among themselves. The Republicans were left out because they REFUSED to compromise.

PartyTime

November 7th, 2012
11:09 am

Fiscal cliff? What fiscal cliff? With Barry still in the saddle for another 4 years, the economy is going to boom/continue to improve (oh wait, did I really say that? continue to improve? … I think I may have exaggerated a bit ….), the unemployment rate will drop dramatically despite going up to 7.9% in October (from 7.8% in Nov), the unemployment rate for Blacks that increased to 14.3% in October (check it out http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm) will surely continue to improve, oops, I meant to say will certainly stage a major turnaround because quite frankly it has only continued to worsen the past couple of years (is the economy really getting better?), taxes will surely drop (oops, I forgot, taxes will go up to help pay for the $16 trillion debt which is projected to rise to over $20 trillion in 4 years ….), but other than that ….. no more blaming W and ………

ENJOY THE RIDE!

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:10 am

Joe – I should have added.

I can agree with the card and naturalization thing, but what effort will be made after that for people who enter the country illegally?

Or will we have to do another round of naturalization in 10-20 years?

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:11 am

JOE,

That is indeed a professional actuarial term…synonyms include: Kentucky Windage, (resulting from) Donkey Pictures, sandbagging with tampons, and the list goes on…

I appreciate your interest in my nerdish very small world..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:11 am

Flagboy — “I understand where you’re coming from about going after the jobs rather than the people, but there are more benefits from being in the US than just jobs. Education, expanded health care, etc. And, of course, it would be difficult to watch/regulate who is being paid or how people are being paid, so it would still be difficult to stop.”

Another part of the card. I did say I was only giving you part of the plan.

The card would *also* serve as an ID/access key for Federal benefits like Social Security, Medicare and the like. Obviously, for resident aliens who only have work authorization, those functions would have to be disabled on their cards.

Perhaps the card could be leveraged to serve as a gatekeeper for some of the other holes you mentioned.

“I would agree with basically legalizing all illegals who are here now. But there really needs to be a better effort to make coming across the border more difficult as well. cue laughter and jokes about the border wall”

What sorts of efforts would you like to see?

“I’d be with the ID card. I’d also want more effort in protecting the borders.”

I’m listening. Tell me your ideas regarding physical border security.

monty

November 7th, 2012
11:11 am

4 more years of no budget being submitted by our Prez. amazing how someone could win by being so inept.

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

“But then I don’t depend on the gubment.”

I hear a lot of people say that. But then they want “what is coming to them” as far as Medicare Part C (which they didn’t pay for), and Social Security, and Federal Disaster RElief after a hurricane, and bailouts for the banks that made stupid decisions, and roads built where they want to go, and safe food. But they don’t want any help from the “gubmet”.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

Aquagirl – So are you saying that Obamacare is going to reduce healthcare costs? I think not. People like myself will continue to pay ridiculously high prices for healthcare, and now we’ll get to share in the healthcare costs of all the deadbeats. Yippy. I am so excited.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

Flagboy — “I can agree with the card and naturalization thing, but what effort will be made after that for people who enter the country illegally?”

I don’t know what kind of work they’re going to do. With the employer penalties associated with employing illegals (mentioned earlier), who would give them a job and risk that level of fines?

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:14 am

STEVIES QUOTE OF THE DAY:

“We have now sunk to a depth at which re-statement of the obvious is the first duty of (the) intelligent..

George Orwell review of a Bertrand Russell article circa 1939..

The system is broke….doesn’t matter if the pig has red or blue lipstick..it’s still swine!

clem

November 7th, 2012
11:18 am

welcome to occupation…no the republican party went too far right, dems stayed sorta in the middle which despite the rights claim is where they have been since clinton

monty

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am

gay marriage,illegal alien free college, assisted physician suicide, legal dope. Welcome to the new center. LOL!

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am

Adam: “Liberalism won pretty handily last night”

Yes, so it appears. But remember that liberalism has many faces, and the Romney/Ryan ticket represented one of them, one which is not nearly the polar opposite of the one represented by Obama as his supporters generally believe. There are serious storm clouds and Obama’s brand of liberalism Obama represents does not really have any serious long-term answers. The economic crisis of global capitalism will continue, centered in Europe, but involving the entire globe, and the US will continue to have to respond to those factors without being in control of them.

Erwin's cat

November 7th, 2012
11:23 am

STEVIE – Per AARP, there are 21 million who do not have picture ID which is 11% of senior population.

Not sure I understand these numbers…are you saying that of 400 Million people 210 Million are seniors?…data I found suggests in the us population 40 million are seniors….or is AARP saying 4 million seniors w/o ID…or 21 million seniors are w/o ID….what am I missing here

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
11:24 am

“4 more years of no budget being submitted by our Prez. amazing how someone could win by being so inept.”

Monty – Here is the link to the 2012 Budget Proposal that you say the President did not submit:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/files/documents/budget_2012.pdf

You can find these by going to google.com and typing in the words “2012 Presidental Budget Proposal”

Each year the President of the United States is required to present a budget proposal, then Congress takes it from there and either passes it, or creates a different one and passes it (or not).

Got any more lies you want us to believe?

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
11:26 am

clem: “welcome to occupation…no the republican party went too far right, dems stayed sorta in the middle which despite the rights claim is where they have been since clinton”

I would basically agree, but w/one objection. The Dems have not been in the center, but have cleaved to the center right since Clinton as our entire political spectrum represented by the two-party system has swung sharply right over the last 20 yrs.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
11:26 am

monty: The President has submitted a budget every single year. I thought you guys liked pointing out how it always gets voted down?

getalife

November 7th, 2012
11:28 am

stevie,

Just the facts stevie.

Yes, stevie facts still matter.

Adam

November 7th, 2012
11:29 am

WttO: The economic crisis of global capitalism will continue, centered in Europe, but involving the entire globe, and the US will continue to have to respond to those factors without being in control of them.

That will not end until we achieve near unlimited resources or zero-point energy, I’m afraid.

Mark Davis

November 7th, 2012
11:30 am

this is a thoughtful analysis. it would also help republicans if they would stop listening to the echo chamber of their own fraudulent propaganda machine and start listening to what they describe as “the mainstream media.” they also need to confront their word-coded racism and start representing people instead of corrupt corporate money.

getalife

November 7th, 2012
11:33 am

The good news is the cons will stay the course with their lies and will repeat the same losing mistakes.

Still living in la la land so lets marginalize them as kooks.

skippy

November 7th, 2012
11:34 am

here goes another 4 years of false promises…

Alex

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

@Mark, more Racism——

John Wayne

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

Republican Traitor? Fred, go back to your antique ship and help Lamont.

appleseed

November 7th, 2012
11:38 am

TD why you are laughing?Is to keep from crying.What would be the best for this country,is for the President,and congress to work together.I think in one of his speeches President said “vote for anyone that will work with me”.He did not say that will agree with me.
I think Romney would have made a good President,and congress would have worked more with Romney than Obama.I did not want to vote for a president feeling I was being blackmailed or forced to vote for.So I think we have kicked the can to the end of the dead end street.Unite work together to get out of this long term mess.

BellBell

November 7th, 2012
11:42 am

It absolutely amazes me how childish the left side opinion is(on this thread and in general.)
Just bashing the other side with elementary comments.
Educate yourselves and have your opinion be interesting or factual or mature even.
(27 and terrified of our futures)

.

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
11:44 am

Where did Monty go?

ad

November 7th, 2012
11:47 am

mama says – You libs know Romney wasnt going to kill Obama Care and you know he cant outlaw abortions. You also know tha in truth, he agrees with 98% of Obamas approach to world events.
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a) We knew that there was a version of Romney that was moderate and would have been attractive to many moderates who voted for Obama, but we also saw the GOP platform and we’ve seen so many versions of Romney, we weren’t sure which one we’d get.
b) We also were pretty sure the TP members of the GOP, who would be required for a Romney second term were expecting the Romney who would appoint anti-choice people to SCOTUS and would have to be responsive to their other agenda items.

Move the party back to right of center, instead of “far” right of center and let’s talk.

Vashtai

November 7th, 2012
11:52 am

I love the schadenfreude up in here!

monty

November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

Each year, the President of the United States is required to submit his budget on or after the first Monday in January but not later than the first Monday in February. While other Presidents have been late as well, President Obama’s tardiness has set several new records:

•First President to deliver three budgets late in just one term. President Obama has delivered all of his fiscal year (FY) budgets—except FY 2011—late.
•First President to deliver two budgets late in a row. President Obama delivered both the FY 2012 and the FY 2013 budgets after deadline.
•First President to take an extra 98 days to deliver his transition year budget. While a President’s first-year budget submission is delayed for practical reasons—there is not enough time between entering office and the budget deadline—President Obama’s first budget was delivered more than 30 days later than any other President’s budget.
Concerning midsession reviews, President Obama’s record is no better. Each year, the President is also required to submit a supplemental summary of the budget for the fiscal year, including any changes made, before July 16. It’s July 18, and Congress has yet to receive the President’s obligatory midsession review. In fact, President Obama has never delivered a midsession review on time.

Great leader, that Mr. Obama! I’m getting all warm and tingly feeling.

monty

November 7th, 2012
12:05 pm

Adam- “monty: The President has submitted a budget every single year. I thought you guys liked pointing out how it always gets voted down?”

Not even a single HOR dem vote, for his budget?

middle of the road

November 7th, 2012
12:05 pm

Oh, Monty, there you are. So you admit you lied in your earlier post about the President not submitting a budget? Now you just say he was late.

With people like Monty arguing against Obama, it is easy to see why he was elected.

If Obama wins, Repubs still control the House

November 7th, 2012
12:06 pm

Hey Fred,

Wake up, many validated stories of the one you heard Boortz speak on.

It is the new normal!

Martin the Calvinist

November 7th, 2012
12:07 pm

Random points on topic, 1. I disagree with Jay’s assessment that this was a statement election or mandate election, ABC and CBS both agree with me, both said this is a very divided country and that Obama has a lot to prove and a lot to do to win over almost 50% of this country who disagrees with his political ideology.

2. I have to concede the polls were right even though they were weighted 7-13 percent heavier Democrat, I’ll still argue that if the polls were weighted by that amount to the Republicans and had Romney favored, You’d say the polls were wrong too, at least before the election

3. You are going to have to prove to me that Big Gov’t with the Federal Gov’t expanding it’s intake of revenue will solve high unemployment, create equality in people’s treatment, in pay, ect….You are going to have to prove to me that we will be fiscally sound governmental wise and economic wise by gov’t increasing it’s role in the economic affairs of Americans.

4. I find it absurd that Liberals get angry over gov’t “restrictions” on who you can sleep with, who can get contraception, who can get married, who can have children, what religion you must follow, but are complete advocates of the Federal gov’t telling you to buy health insurance, and soon will be telling you how much energy you can use, and de facto telling you how much of your own money you earn you can keep. ie higher tax rates on the more income you earn.

Before you go nuts I’ll tell you even though I’m a devote believer, I don’t believe it’s the gov’ts job to tell you who you can or can’t marry, whether abortion should be done or not, whether you should or shouldn’t smoke cigarettes or pot, drink alcohol…not the gov’ts business until you hurt someone else, ie drink and drive….

but i surely am against the gov’t dictating economic behavior. if this election was a mandate for free markets and limited gov’t involvement, then I will say that most people want the gov’t to dictate economic behavior, they want gov’t to step in and solve every problem they have in life fiscally, they (if lower income) wants the gov’t to hand out grants to pay for college, give them money to buy food, give them rental assistance, guarantee them health care, guarantee retirement and let those “more fortunate” than others pay for it…

trying not to sound too sour grapy, I believe in God more than I believe in the goodness of man, I believe in Proverbs 21:1 and my faith will always be in the Lord, not in what man can do, because it falls short anyway….

monty

November 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

middle of the road

I mis-spoke. But to my credit I did my research. And it still looks bad for the so-called greatest leader of our time. He can’t even put forth a budget that his own party in the House can feel good about. He gets pushed into givng a budget like forcing your kids to eat squash.

smike

November 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

@Mama: >>The libs should careful. This path to the future is potentially just as damning for you guys. If we conservatives can push out the old guy party leaders and talk to the minority folks of this country like they are people, your party will die. But then again we havent been able to do that as of yet. but if we ever do it I have no idea what the liberal argument could be.

If you do all that, we’ll probably all be on the same side.

Martin the Calvinist

November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm

welcome to the occupation, I kinda disagree that the Democrat party is to the right, George Stepanouplous (sp) pretty much said Obama ran on a liberal agenda and won, Obama said he wants to raise taxes, increase gov’t spending, supports gay marraige….George said that McGovern is somewhere smiling…..

Krystal'sBalls

November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm

@smike
November 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

RIGHT!!!!! They just do not get it. LoL

Joshua

November 7th, 2012
12:13 pm

I don’t think Mitt Romney was really a good candidate in general. But when you take into account the others who were in the primary, then yes, he was the only choice that even stood a chance.

monty

November 7th, 2012
12:15 pm

Send us all the crims in the Mexican prisons. We’ll send them to school and buy their books! Because it’s their rights! Loonies are in control. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

smike

November 7th, 2012
12:16 pm

@Joshua >>I don’t think Mitt Romney was really a good candidate in general. But when you take into account the others who were in the primary, then yes, he was the only choice that even stood a chance.

Again, Huntsman would have won the general election handily. But the conservative base wouldn’t even give him the time of day.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
12:23 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

Flagboy — “I can agree with the card and naturalization thing, but what effort will be made after that for people who enter the country illegally?”

I don’t know what kind of work they’re going to do. With the employer penalties associated with employing illegals (mentioned earlier), who would give them a job and risk that level of fines?
___________________________________

We already have fines for employing illegals, but it still happens.

What level of fines would your plan include?

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
12:28 pm

Joe – as laughable as it sounds, I think we need some type of increased patrol system of the border. I think we ask that branch of law enforcement to do an impossible job with the resources at their disposal.

Partisay

November 7th, 2012
12:30 pm

Poor Monty. This election has him so rattled he doesn’t even know what month it is.

“…including any changes made, before July 16. It’s July 18, and Congress has yet to receive the President’s obligatory midsession review.”

It’s not July, It’s November. Oh wait, maybe he copied and pasted.

If the best you can do is copy and paste something that’s 4 months old about late budgets, you just might as well hit that “X” in the top right corner and go back to bed.

monty

November 7th, 2012
12:30 pm

Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can see the need to change the path you’re on. We obviously are still on the descent and aren’t there yet as a nation. The time will come though, just hope that there is still something left to salvage when we bottom out. Or we can just go the way of the Titanic when the band played on.

monty

November 7th, 2012
12:35 pm

As some pundits said last nite after the results were in that the US is becoming more like western Europe. That in and of it’sself otta give us the willies. But I doubt it will to most of the bloggers here.

Partisay

November 7th, 2012
12:37 pm

We were losing 800,000 jobs per month when President Obama took office. Read that again and let that sink in. We’ve already hit rock bottom. I don’t know about you, but everybody else is on their way up! So sorry you’re getting left behind Monty.

clem

November 7th, 2012
12:38 pm

welcome to occupation, very true. i am older white who is amazed at how my peers get so conservative in their old age. i guess we all circle the wagons in our old age, the passion for a better way seems to flicker. i seem to sense more ethnic clinging in older generations too. realize these are generalizations. the right ran on campaign of this and referendum on obama. yet they did little to help the country advance and obstructed way beyond the pale. i am also amazed at lack of giving back to society on part of upper income folks. look at mitt hiding his money in a charitable trust to his church and paying minimal taxes %. while his church may do some good works i wonder how truly ecumenical they truly are. look at stock market today. guess the big money boys see their world changing not for the good.

Conservative

November 7th, 2012
12:40 pm

Its funny reading all the liberals claims of victory. All you have won is the right to continue to screw up this country for another 4 years in the name of “I deserve something for nothing”. Yes, this country is changing but not for the better. If this new majority voted for values and not handouts you might be on the right track. Just because less people still understand what is right doesn’t make it any less true.

Partisay

November 7th, 2012
12:41 pm

Who said we were becoming more like western Europe? Which “pundits?” – more than one? (I can imagine which network.) You put alot of stock to what a pundits say? I must say, I’ve never let anything a pundit say ever give me the willies.

Mama Says

November 7th, 2012
12:50 pm

Middle of the Road,

The dems were bribed into compromise on the ObamaCare bill.

They did not support it they held out long enought to get what they needed in their districts. To say the dems compromised on a bill that they did not read but unanimously voted for is wrong and is the very definition of politics at its worse.

Exclusion from the bills requirements in order to get a vote is not compromise its bribery.

and again, if you are telling me that Joe Biden is a moderate in your eyes, well thats another indicator of where the thought process is. If cons are to compromise on their beliefs why are the libs not expected to ?

Nunna Yobinnes

November 7th, 2012
12:53 pm

Unfortunately with this election, there was no good candidate to vote for, only a choice of the “lesser of two evils.” The two party system is broken, and until both sides come out of their extremist views (right and left) we don’t even have a chance of fixing things.

clem

November 7th, 2012
12:58 pm

hey conservative, how about the something for nothings on wall st…..they bribe congress to make more money on the backs of middle america and third world countries…..

Conservative

November 7th, 2012
1:10 pm

The people that run companies actually employ people so they can make a living. If they go away then where are the jobs for middle america going to come from? Certainly not from the people ‘occupying Wall St’ or using the welfare system as a way of life.

tireofit

November 7th, 2012
1:28 pm

The republicans drank too much of their kool-aide.

Democrats Are Devils

November 7th, 2012
1:48 pm

stocks are plunging today ! plunge stocks !, plunge 1000 points !! plunge !!

George

November 7th, 2012
1:48 pm

Even if the top 5% of Americans were taxed 100% of their yearly earnings it wouldn’t even pay for 1/10 of the Government spendings for the year. Do the math and wake up please.

Democrats Are Devils

November 7th, 2012
1:50 pm

come on stocks !, plunge !! beginnings of god’s wrath !! plunge stocks plunge !!!!

Democrats Are Devils

November 7th, 2012
1:51 pm

how about another hurricane ?!! plunge stocks !, plunge !!!

Dum-Bass

November 7th, 2012
1:55 pm

It was a “message election” alright. Here’s hoping those who re-elected bear the brunt of all the pain and suffering that will go on for 4 more years. I say it’s going to get worse. Here’s who put him through again per CSM: 93% African Americans, 71% Hispanics, 73% Asians, and a huge majority of young college-age and slightly older young people. These are naive and gullible members of society who don’t have even the slightest idea of what they just did to this country. BUT, they will soon!

Democrats Are Devils

November 7th, 2012
1:56 pm

i want a check !!

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Doc

November 7th, 2012
2:12 pm

Well here we go. 4 more years of the same as the last 4:
Bigger government, more regulation, higher gas prices, more debt, high unemployment, more people on welfare, etc. sounds wonderful. I guess us poor working stiffs are the idiots. We should all just let the government pay for everything we want, problem is the government doesn’t generate any money. only those of us who work do. So let’s tax the rich until there are no more rich people. then we can all be equally in debt to China. I wonder who the libs will blame 4 years from now when things are so messed up that it may not be possible to fix? I guess they’ll still blame Bush?

DanH

November 7th, 2012
3:29 pm

The problem the Republicans have and will continue to have is that they refuse to examine “their message” to voters.The Republicans send a message that is basically against women,gays,minorities and then wonder why it doesn’t get them elected.They think they just need someone to sell their message better which is like saying “I have a bunch of dog crap to sell now if I can just pick out the right wrapping paper to wrap it up in they will buy it”. How about you actually realize nobody wants what you are selling America has grown up we know that women,gays and minorities are equal to middle aged and older white men and that America has more than just one religious view and that we do not want “your” religion to dictate how we live our lives.

Krystal'sBalls

November 7th, 2012
3:30 pm

Conservative

November 7th, 2012
4:24 pm

DanH. “America has grown up?” More like turned into a spoiled idiot who wants without working and
who if he ever has to make a living on his own will not have the slightest idea how to begin.

DanH

November 7th, 2012
4:57 pm

We just had an election and the spoiled idiot lost.You sound like Mitt “the loser” Romney “how dare people in America think that their kids should not go hungry”.”How dare people think that in America their sick kids should get medical care”.”How dare people in America think that they deserve better than living in a cardboard box somewhere”"how dare women think that they should decide their own medical care instead of some old white guy”"how dare minorities in America think that they are equal to white men in power”.When Republicans get rid of the crazies in their party maybe America will take them serious right now the Republicans are on their way to being as relevant to the American people as the whig party.

Brad

November 7th, 2012
5:30 pm

It absolutely was Mitt Romney’s fault. Romney was a RINO and RINOs are losers. The RINO establishment gave us Bob Dole and John McCain. Both of them lost elections they should have won. Then, they gave us Mitt Romney and he found a way to lose when he should have won in a landslide. I voted for Mitt and I thought he was going to win, we were going to get a Republican sweep and he’d actually govern as a real Republican instead of a RINO. Mitt’s RINO strategists (the same idiots that advised McCain how to lose in 2008) purposely told him to play prevent defense the entire campaign, secretly hoping that Democrats would keep the Senate, but Mitt would win so that he could govern as a leftist. The arch-RINOs were actually writing articles hoping that Mitt would win narrowly so that he would govern with a Democrat Congress and thus be the kind of RINO they want. They put Paul Ryan on the ticket to basically move him out of the way so he wouldn’t be able to do anything and then he’d get the blame for Romney’s leftist policies. If there was any reason whatsoever for RINOs to exist, it was so that they could beat an ultra-leftist Democrat who lied about being an Indian to advance her career prospects. Yet, Scott Brown lost, proving that RINOs are absolutely worthless and all of them need to be driven out of the Republican Party.

My first choice was Ron Paul. He certainly would have done better among minority voters and especially among younger voters. I think it is regrettable that Congressman Paul doesn’t realize that he is being used by the leftist media and that they would have turned viciously against him if he ever became a threat to their ideology. His son Rand learned this during his first Senate campaign when he went on BSNBC. Rand Paul has the positives of his father, without the negatives and he really should be our candidate in 2016 if we want to win and if we want to reverse leftism.

I also think Herman Cain could have done better, if some far-left ambulance chaser hadn’t conjured up some scandal playing off racist stereotypes of black men to drive him out of the race (there’s more truth to this claim than any of the myriad of “racism” accusations made by the left in the last 4 years). If Barack Obama was white or Mitt Romney was black, I believe this election would have gone the other way. Apparently, many swing voters didn’t want to remove the first black President even though he is incompetent and a complete failure. The opportunity to replace one black President with another probably would have helped convince swing voters to vote Obama out.

Besides Cain and Paul, I don’t think any of the candidates that ran for the nomination could have done better. If Obama can paint Mitt Romney as “anti-women” and scare women into voting for him, he could have done the same with Santorum. If Newt Gingrich had been the candidate, he couldn’t have out-performed Romney’s performance in the debates and his attempts to expose Obama would be “fact-checked” by the leftist media. If we ran Michele Bachmann, she would have been utterly crushed after being painted as crazy by the media. Rick Perry wouldn’t have worked either because he was awful in debates and would have been portrayed as being just like George W. Bush.

In 2016, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie are at the top of my list of most unacceptable nominees. Chris Christie probably cost Romney the election because he’s obsessed with being liked by Bruce Springsteen. Jeb Bush openly advocates tax increases. If the RINO establishment tries to foist either of them on us, we’re looking at 4 more years of Democrat rule. Next time around, we need to find a genuinely conservative candidate that can win and unite around that candidate before the RINOs stick us with another loser. My choice right now is Rand Paul. I’m willing to support a different candidate if I believe that candidate is a strong conservative (especially on economic issues) and can win. Over the next 4 years, the Republican wing of the Republican Party needs to work together against the RINOs and the Democrats. We need unity between those of us that supported Romney-Ryan (as I did) and those that didn’t because we can’t win without growing our base and driving out those that undermine us and foist loser candidates upon us.

In an America with rising levels of social liberalism and war-fatigue, we need to stand strong on economics while viewing social issues as state issues and favoring a foreign policy focused solely on defending America, not rebuilding other nations or trying to promote democracy around the world. We should probably embrace open borders on immigration, which is incompatible with the existence of a welfare state (so let’s get rid of the welfare state!) and self-determination on the gay marriage issue (now that gay marriage has actually won at the ballot box in some areas). There are areas in America where social conservatism and traditional hawkish foreign policy can still win. There are other areas where libertarian conservatism is the only kind that can win. If we leave social issues at the federal level, we’re looking at the left imposing social liberalism on the entire country and forcing social conservatives to fund things they consider morally repugnant. If we make it a state issue and shrink the government, that means the federal government would be greatly reduced in size and scope and wouldn’t be funding anything controversial. That also means that social conservatives would have be able to win locally in some areas. Winning nationally is impossible in an increasingly secular America, but there are still socially conservative areas in this country.

Somebody needs to identify every pundit who was responsible for selling us the “Mitt Romney can win” BS (especially the ones who also sold us “Bob Dole can win” and “John McCain can win”) and expose them as the frauds they are. They need to go because they have brought about 3 electoral defeats in recent years and none of their candidates they’ve told us is “electable” has ever actually been electable. The importance of finishing the job of RINO removal is one thing every member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party can agree upon despite our differences on other issues. I do believe that Reagan’s coalition needs to be tweaked just as Calvin Coolidge’s coalition was tweaked by Reagan. Ronald Reagan won 2 landslide victories (and George H.W. Bush won a big victory on Reagan’s coattails). Since then, we have won the popular vote once in the last 6 elections and have never won more than 50.7% of the vote and 286 electoral votes. We won 51.5% of the vote for the House in 1994 and 51.4% of the vote in 2010 (this is probably the best result the current coalition can achieve nationally). We like to talk about how 40% of the country is conservative, 40% is moderate and 20% is leftist, but really many of those “moderates” are simply leftists who are too dishonest to label themselves accurately so the numbers are much closer to 20% moderate and 40% leftist. We have to accept that the country has changed and expand our coalition, while removing the cancerous RINOs that lead us to our defeat. Democrat-lite isn’t going to work. We need to come to terms with what kind of country we live in and develop a form of conservatism that can win and that can fix the problems we face, whatever that may be. The Democrat coalition can reach 52.9% as their high-water mark. We need to expand our coalition by at least another 1.5% to be even with the Democrats and preferably by more than that to be able to govern.

Rabbit

November 7th, 2012
6:03 pm

“They need to go because they have brought about 3 electoral defeats in recent years and none of their candidates they’ve told us is “electable” has ever actually been electable”

Why are they not electable? Until you can be honest with yourself about issues that turn elections you will support losing candidates. Like Karl Rove last night who could not accept the math in Ohio, denial of what sells to the MAJORITY is a losers game.

Joel Edge

November 8th, 2012
6:24 am

“change and change pretty dramatically if it’s to compete in the emerging America?”

Sorry, Jay, we already have one party dedicated to grievance and division, we don’t need a carbon copy. We’ll stand on principle and go down swinging. If people can’t understand why a large intrusive government is damaging their children’s and grandchildren’s future, maybe at some point in the future they will.

Vince

November 10th, 2012
10:17 am

Jay, you forgot one thing in your post. While a lot of factors for Romney and the republican’s loss are correct, you forgot to mention how yourself and the rest of the mainstream media absolutely refused to hold Obama accountable for any of his failings, not to mention downright lies. Refusal to provide support to our Ambassador in Libya immediately comes to mind.

I hope you guys can sleep well at night knowing that your own personal biases directly helped a man that you, the media, have created this Jesus-like myth around, and a man you have never once held accountable.