Video chat: Picking the carcass of the 2012 election
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
10:49 am
(can not BELIEVE the charter schools amendment passed)
theintelligentdesigner
November 7th, 2012
10:51 am
Obama’s popular count was down because red state Obama voters knew what their votes meant.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 7th, 2012
10:51 am
USinUK@1049,
Me either. There will still be a fight though. People will be watching.
theintelligentdesigner
November 7th, 2012
10:54 am
Any chance the law can make a difference in Ga.? Like, Jesus didn’t say he wanted control of public schools? Big business religion should be pushed into the slimy corner that grew it.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
10:54 am
hey … did I mention that women pretty much rocked the vote yesterday:
According to exit polls, Obama won 54% of the women’s vote nationally, against 45% for his challenger. In fact, Obama won the women’s vote in almost every swing state: by 51 to 48 in Florida, 55 to 44 in New Hampshire, 52 to 47 in North Carolina, 53 to 46 in Virginia and 57 to 43 in Iowa.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/07/barack-obama-victory-rainbow-coalition
The Thin Guy
November 7th, 2012
10:54 am
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. So we are cursed with another four unbearable years of those two low-grade morons systematically destroying the former great USA. This is certainly a significant contest. Not Republicans vs demoncraps, right vs left, liberals vs conservative: the workers vs the bums and the bums won. The only good thing to come out of this disaster is when we lose our health care in 2014 and are forced into zerØcare it will totally destroy our healthcare systems and plunge us into a depression. This will induce the third American revolution. We won the first one against the Limeys, lost the second to the Yankees, and in the third we will battle the bums. USA, RIP.
theintelligentdesigner
November 7th, 2012
10:56 am
CSA, still lost, still stupid.
paulo977
November 7th, 2012
10:59 am
US
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
10:59 am
“(can not BELIEVE the charter schools amendment passed)”
I can…easily. It was deliberately worded to make it sound like a good thing. My sister voted for it and she is an shining example of how effective the misleading wording was.
paulo977
November 7th, 2012
11:01 am
USinUK …….Charter schools ? ….Back to the past we go !!!
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Some who voted for them are really really ignorant , uneducated and dumb dumb dumb!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:01 am
ooooo … “John Weaver, a Republican strategist: “We have a choice: we can become a shrinking regional party of middle-aged and older white men, or we can fight to become a national governing party. And to do the latter we have to fix our Hispanic problem as quickly as possible, we’ve got to accept science and start calling out these false equivalencies when they occur within our party about things that are just not true, and not tolerate the intolerant.””
stands for decibels
November 7th, 2012
11:01 am
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
12 hours and a quart of cheap hooch and that’s what you come up with?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 7th, 2012
11:02 am
The supermajorities in the GA legislature does not bode well for Georgia.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:03 am
“12 hours and a quart of cheap hooch and that’s what you come up with?”
Hooch, cheap or not, doesn’t make you foolish…it just releases the foolishness that is already in you.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2012
11:04 am
USinUK: “(can not BELIEVE the charter schools amendment passed)”
I can. The snake-oil “efficient market hypothesis” still reigns unchallenged in the American political system, accepted more or less by both parties,. and is thus basically accepted by large parts of the population as well.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 7th, 2012
11:05 am
The Thin Dude – lighten up man. Your party lost at the national level because it didn’t present a good enough case to America for people to vote for it and win.
Brad Steel
November 7th, 2012
11:08 am
Kyle’s discussion of correcting the party with better communication of conservative principles is cute. But ignoring the loudmouth reprobates and vapid Palin-esque in conservative propaganda makes his analysis look deluded.
That said, Reagan’s removal of the Fairness Doctrine created the AM/FOX conservative yelling. And it is that loud-mouh obnoxious child that has become an albatross to the reasonable voice, which even the libs miss.
Regnad Kcin
November 7th, 2012
11:09 am
“As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. So we are cursed with another four unbearable years of those two low-grade morons systematically destroying the former great USA. This is certainly a significant contest. Not Republicans vs demoncraps, right vs left, liberals vs conservative: the workers vs the bums and the bums won. The only good thing to come out of this disaster is when we lose our health care in 2014 and are forced into zerØcare it will totally destroy our healthcare systems and plunge us into a depression. This will induce the third American revolution. We won the first one against the Limeys, lost the second to the Yankees, and in the third we will battle the bums. USA, RIP.”
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Why, yes, it IS a beautiful day, isn’t it ! Sorry you’re not feeling well this morning. But cheer up – pre-existing conditions will still be covered!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:10 am
“Hooch, cheap or not, doesn’t make you foolish…it just releases the foolishness that is already in you.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 7th, 2012
11:12 am
The Thin Guy is wanting America to fail.
How patriotic!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 7th, 2012
11:12 am
Brett Baier to Karl Rove, on the air:
Ultimately, it was left to Fox’s Bret Baier to make a feeble excuse for the chastened Rove. “Maybe we got you a slow computer,” he offered weakly.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 7th, 2012
11:13 am
The spectacle had dragged on for forty minutes, providing an unparalleled spectacle of schadenfreude for Democrats: Karl Rove, stricken, like Humpty-Dumpty after the fall, as Barone patiently explained to him, as one might talk to a child, that Obama really had won Ohio—and the election.
salon.com
priceless
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
11:14 am
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Yep, The Conservative leaning state of Georgia voted for big government regulation of schools.
gogators
November 7th, 2012
11:15 am
so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:15 am
Charter amendment passed. Nothing will improve education system like a little competition. The public schools aren’t afraid of a little competition are they?
indigo
November 7th, 2012
11:16 am
The Thin Guy
You, on the other hand, wanted us to elect a George W. Bush clone and go back to the glory days of two usless credit card wars, a huge loss of blood and treasure and the worst recession since The Great Recession.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:17 am
USinUK – did you see the message I left you in the previous blog?
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:17 am
“so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid”
As I said…it was worded to make it sound like a good thing. Hate to be the one to break it to you…but parents ALREADY have that choice.
ideasbm
November 7th, 2012
11:18 am
I had rather be a shrinking middle age white mans party than to include someone that is in violation of our laws or who only vote for one issue such as abortion. Personally that is your own choice but to vote for a socialist leader is beyond my idea of the way to go. Bookman is still an idiot.
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:18 am
Gogators,
Choice only applies to abortion for the liberals. Otherwise they don’t give a shyte.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:18 am
“USinUK – did you see the message I left you in the previous blog?”
I’ve been popping in and out – I think I missed it … whatup?
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:19 am
Another great and very appropos quote from Huey Long speech for re-election in 1932:
“They’ve got a set of Republican waiters on one side and Democratic waiters on the other side, but no matter which set of waiters bring you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street Kitchen…”
Very profound truth from a man who knew little of the truth..
Joe Hussein Mama
November 7th, 2012
11:20 am
B. Steel — “Kyle’s discussion of correcting the party with better communication of conservative principles is cute. But ignoring the loudmouth reprobates and vapid Palin-esque in conservative propaganda makes his analysis look deluded.”
It doesn’t just *look* deluded; it *is* deluded.
It’s the same kind of self-indulgent confidence in the objective correctness of one’s message that drives some christians to keep evangelizing in the USA; as if the vast majority of Americans haven’t actually *heard* the christian message *dozens* of times in their lives. IMO, the notion that what American evangelistic christianity and what American conservatism needs is MOAR MESSAGE DISCIPLINE and TURN UP THE VOLUME is just patently foolish. The messages are getting out fine, and they’re being *heard* fine, too. They’re just not being *agreed with.*
At this point, conservatives raising their voices to get their message out better is like an American tourist in a foreign country; raising his voice so that the foreign souvenir-seller can understand him better — without bothering to ascertain whether the merchant speaks English or not, or whether he just doesn’t want to bargain with the obtuse American bonehead who’s standing in front of him and shouting.
the cat
November 7th, 2012
11:20 am
Kyle needs to start working out with Christie.
St Simons
November 7th, 2012
11:20 am
yes, the only tragedy in this is (and it may not be a tragedy but an
opportunity), is that there is one property for sale on de island
as of today – ours. We are taking the two littlest indians out of
this god-forsaken Somalia to the civilized world where they can
be properly educated.
In our view, it would be child abuse to not get them out of here
before they have to try to ‘make it’ from a scam business masquerading
as a ’skool’ learning that the earth is 6000 yrs old and jaysus rode the
dinosaurs for profit, because of ‘merkan exceptionalism – duh!
Regnad Kcin
November 7th, 2012
11:21 am
gogators and Thulsa – this was not as amendment allowing “better schools”, as you both appear to believe. Charter schools are somewhat common in Georgia.
This was a an amendment to allow the decisions of a duly-elected local public body to be invalidated by a group of folks appointed by the governor. If you’re both big-centralized-government types, cool, we can discuss it on that level. I just wanted to make sure you understood what you were talking about.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:21 am
After I voted yesterday and had my little peach ticket, I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor to where we all are gonna take it…regardless of who won…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:22 am
“I had rather be a shrinking middle age white mans party than to include someone that is in violation of our laws or who only vote for one issue such as abortion. ”
then you fit right in with the 2012 GOP
long may you reign.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:22 am
“I think I missed it … whatup?”
I had to have one of my dogs euthanized on Monday. He had a massive respiratory infection we just couldn’t get cleared up and it finally became more than his system could deal with.
killerj
November 7th, 2012
11:22 am
Like an orange split down the middle,one side sweet,the other side bitter,so the song remain,s the same,more troubled time,s ahead America.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
11:23 am
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:21 am
After I voted yesterday and had my little peach ticket, I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor to where we all are gonna take it…regardless of who won…
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16 TRILLION in debt. Neither Romney or Obama has a plan for that.
I agree with you 100%
Voters Challenge Charter School Amendment
November 7th, 2012
11:23 am
ATLANTA (CN) – Georgia’s governor is using misleading language to try to sneak a constitutional amendment past voters, to create “a third public school system” to funnel money to profit-seeking private companies, voters claim in court.
Beverly Hedges and the Rev. Timothy McDonald sued Gov. Nathan Deal in Fulton County Superior Court. Hedges is a public school teacher and McDonald is senior pastor at First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta.
They claim the state placed “affirmatively misleading language” in the amendment’s preamble, including language that was rejected by the Georgia General Assembly, to deceive voters about the scope and impact of the amendment.
The purpose, the voters say, is to “create a duplicate bureaucracy for charter school approval.”
“Not having succeeded in passing this deceptive, confusing and affirmatively misleading language through the legislative process, defendants have brought this language in the back door as the preamble to the actual language chosen and passed by the General Assembly which itself presents an inaccurate picture of the dramatic constitutional changes proposed,” the complaint states.
“The ballot language is fatally flawed, because the preamble language prescribed by the governor and designated by the Constitutional Amendments Publication Board when combined with the proposed amendment is affirmatively misleading.
“First, while the ballot language states that the amendment is necessary for ’state and local approval of public charter schools,’ the Georgia Constitution and laws already permit charter schools. Even if a local school board denies an application for a charter school, existing law includes an appeal process to the state.
“Second, while the ballot language speaks to ‘public charter schools’ and the preamble to ‘improving student achievement and parental involvement,’ the amendment actually allows for the creation of a third public school system (that may have for-profit motives of private companies). This third public school system lacks any direct accountability to local voters/parents and drains state money that would otherwise go to local school systems.
“Third, the preamble (in bold font larger than the actual language passed by the General Assembly) contains unbalanced electioneering, making biased and unsupportable promises of ‘improving student achievement’ and increased ‘parental involvement.’” (Parentheses in complaint).
The Georgia General Assembly approved the proposed charter schools amendment, HR 1162, in 2011, after rejecting a version that contained language similar to the current preamble, according to the complaint.
“Contrary to the ballot language, HR 1162 actually would create a state commission that can authorize charter schools across the state of Georgia, and would re-establish a statewide commission that would have the power to approve charters even over the objections of local school districts,” the complaint states. “The constitutional amendment would drain funds from traditional public school systems and allow public money to be used towards for-profit charter facilities. Additionally, this constitutional amendment would direct current taxpayers’ dollars to benefit and increase profits of out-of-state for profit charter school organizations.”
The plaintiffs say the preamble language could shift voting results on the constitutional amendment by as much as 10 percent.
They claim that passage of the amendment “would actually divert $430 million from the schools to create a duplicate bureaucracy for charter school approval.”
They seek a declaration that the ballot language is unconstitutional, and want enforcement of the amendment enjoined if voters approve it.
They are represented by Gerald Weber.
Also named as defendants are Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle and Secretary of State Brian Kemp.
Fedup
November 7th, 2012
11:24 am
Competition is fine. In the old way a school district had the choice of having a charter school. In the new system Nathan’s buddies will decide. Can you see Nathan retiring his debts. Fools.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:25 am
I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor[sic] to where we all are gonna take it…
Another fan of El Rushbo.
YouLibs
November 7th, 2012
11:26 am
As a rule, I don’t make predictions about politics or football because I don’t like wearing egg on my face. I’ve pretty easily resisted the tendency to gloat so far this morning, but thulsa, skinny, gogators, and all these “newcomers” are putting a few cracks in my resolve.
What does it take to cure people of tone deafness? In some cases it seems to be incurable.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
11:26 am
so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid
You definitely prove that you can’t fix stupid. Local school systems already have the ability to set up charter schools to give parents a choice for schools. What you stupidly voted for was to give the state government power to overrule the local wishes of the people who pay local taxes for schools. However, given your track record here, stupid is as stupid does.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 7th, 2012
11:26 am
Doggone, sorry to hear about your dog. It’s never easy.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 7th, 2012
11:26 am
The Charter School amendment was a phoney issue. People already had the choice to set up a charter school within their district. If the school board didn’t agree then you vote those people out at the next election and get people who want charter schools. With this amendment you now have an unelected, unaccountable board that will make the decision for you whether or not you want them to.
So much for small, non-intrusive government.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:28 am
Thanks Keep up, and no it’s never easy
Joe Hussein Mama
November 7th, 2012
11:28 am
Doggone — “I had to have one of my dogs euthanized on Monday. He had a massive respiratory infection we just couldn’t get cleared up and it finally became more than his system could deal with.”
(((hug)))
I am SO sorry for your loss. We lost one of our two dogs to acute renal failure in the spring of last year; my wife is convinced it was those damn chicken treats from China that did him in.
We asked the vet to do whatever he could to save our little guy, but the doctor said that whatever time he could give would be full of pain and misery. So we made the same choice you did.
I know you’re hurting; I will show my wife this post and we will hurt along with you.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
11:29 am
Doggone
Sorry to hear about your loss…..
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:30 am
Reginald,
I was initially opposed to the amendment based on Jays blog. But when I saw who opposed it and it was all the public education folks then common sense took over. If the big money folks who opposed it were teachers unions and education bureaucrats then it definitely needs support.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
11:30 am
Kamchak – how are you tying Stevie Ray to Rush with that link?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:31 am
Thanks Keep up, and no it’s never easy
My condolences as well.
I know that pets bring much joy into our lives, but the heartbreak of losing them is more than I can bear.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:32 am
FLAGBOY
C’mon, we both know they both offer attractive plans to address the debt/deficit…BO’s plan is to generate $80 billion a year (compares favorably to the $1.3 trillon or so we spend beyond our means every year, and negotiate cuts that won’t begin until he is near done in 2016..We haven’t heard the rest of the plan but addressing the other 90% plus should be a lay-up…or gimme put as the case may be..
Of course we’d have to borrow more but the DEMS and their economists don’t feel debt or deficits are really a problem..not good for business but ok for gubment..
The challenger suggested a very clear plan…cut revenues for all including businesses, cut all departments except defense where we need to increse to get votes from shipbuilders in VA…
How dare you suggest neither had a plan!
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
11:34 am
Doom @ 11:30
Don’t complain about big government running the education system since you voted for it. If you do, I will remind you time and time again how you supported “Big Government” on November 6, 2012.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:35 am
Thanks JHM – he’d been fighting that infection for over 3 years, but nothing we did could get rid of it and it finally just got to be more than he could handle. And sorry to hear about your guys too.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:35 am
Thank Bro
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:35 am
I’m sorry to about doggones dog. We all love our pooches and it sucks when they die.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:35 am
Kamchak – how are you tying Stevie Ray to Rush with that link?
emphasis mine
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:21 am
After I voted yesterday and had my little peach ticket, I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor to where we all are gonna take it…regardless of who won…
Shared anal fixation.
gogators
November 7th, 2012
11:35 am
georgia ranks in public education is near the bottom of the barrel something needs to change so we can give the kids abetter chance
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:36 am
KAMCHAK
Hello my dear friend…nice to hear you have let me know that you are around, active, and putting out comments without and sense of accuracy..
Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..I can understand its more fun for you to speak (at least you are consistent) without regard for context
Congratulations on yet another example of your sheer brilliance..have you considered writing that philosophy text as I suggested? A guy with your mind should take advantage of the glut in supply of new, macro thought!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 7th, 2012
11:36 am
Well, looks like us conservatives need to start cuddling up with the Mexicans. The White vote has went from 79% to 72% and it will be below 70% in the next election. The Mexican percent just keeps going up. Meanwhile Those People are holding steady at 13%. It’s time to open our homes to the Mexicans and lie to them like a lazy dog if we ever want to have the White House and Senate again. I can’t hardly beleive they’d get so upset about Mitt’s saying he was going to starve them out and let them self-deport.
Looks like the women are POed at us too. Better learn to fall in love with abortion and birth control and stop saying what we really think. The young people don’t like us neither and Those People just keep on voting for the librul Democrats in big numbers.
If we don’t change quick our grandkids are going to talk about their granddaddy being a Republican like we talk about people that were Whigs.
We’re in a bad fix and the only answer we got right now is No. I don’t about you but I’m planning on learning to talk in Spanish and I’m going to see if I can grow a ‘Fro, start hanging out at the Apple store, and get in touch with my feminine side.
Regnad Kcin
November 7th, 2012
11:36 am
“I was initially opposed to the amendment based on Jays blog. But when I saw who opposed it and it was all the public education folks then common sense took over. If the big money folks who opposed it were teachers unions and education bureaucrats then it definitely needs support.”
Do I understand correctly that you were “initially opposed to the amendment ,” but changed your mind because of who was supporting it?
That could lead one to the conclusion that you allowed “teachers unions and education bureaucrats” to dictate your political stance?
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
11:36 am
Stevie Ray
Well, considering the only plan the GOP has put forth was to shake down fed employees for $75 Billion over TEN years, seems as if Obama’s $80 Billion a year would do far more towards debt reduction, don’t you think?
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
11:37 am
Stevie. .you’re right. I stand corrected.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:37 am
Thank Thulsa
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:37 am
Doggone – oh, honey!! I’m so very sorry!!! oh, my heart hurts for you. it’s the hardest decision – no matter how much your head tells you it’s right, it just hurts.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
11:37 am
georgia ranks in public education is near the bottom of the barrel something needs to change so we can give the kids abetter chance
Adding more political bureaucracy isn’t going to make things better. Why not work towards moving politics out of the educational system?
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:37 am
KAMCHAK,
I guess my “anal fixation” is of great worry to you…is that homophobic or something more complicated relating to the process of your admirable development?
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
11:38 am
weak.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:39 am
USinUK – Thanks. Yes it did hurt…but when I found out how bad it really was, that helped. At least I knew I made the right decision
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:39 am
Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..
Irrelevant to your anal fixation.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:39 am
(Last time I took the Wondermutt to the vet for her regularly scheduled bloodwork, there was a family there on a one-way ticket … it was all I could do not to start crying with them in the lobby )
one of my wiser friends once said “when you get a dog, you’re investing in heartache 15 years later” … I dread the day when we have to make that trip.
Jay
November 7th, 2012
11:39 am
Politico now reporting Dems will pick up seven seats, not five, in the House.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:40 am
BRO
It’s all already spent…$80 billion a year is 6% and I guess a start but the other 94% seems to be lacking..no spine in DC to make difficult decisions…they may lose votes or find themselves in competition with a formidably funded competitor next election cycle..
Paul
November 7th, 2012
11:40 am
Jay
I find those moderated discussions most informative. Please continue them.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
11:41 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:39 am
Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..
Irrelevant to your anal fixation.
______________________________________
. . .really?
you have a link memorized to something Rush said about grabbing ankles, and Stevie is the one with a fixation.
geez. grow up.
gogators
November 7th, 2012
11:41 am
how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:41 am
Doggone – 11:39 – sending you and yours hugs.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
11:42 am
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:40 am
BRO
It’s all already spent…$80 billion a year is 6% and I guess a start but the other 94% seems to be lacking..no spine in DC to make difficult decisions…they may lose votes or find themselves in competition with a formidably funded competitor next election cycle..
__________________________
Stevie. .run for office
i’d vote for you, anal fixation rumors or not.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:42 am
“I dread the day when we have to make that trip.”
It’s never eay, but when they have lived a long, good life…at least you have that satisfaction. To lose one young (he was only 8 1/2) hurts just that much more.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:43 am
“how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions”
ohfercryingoutloud … please tell me ONE THING the Ga Teachers Union has ever done … tell me one thing they’ve lobbied … tell me one time they’ve threatened strike … tell me one thing they’ve ever done about teacher tenure
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:43 am
“how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions”
In Georgia…you don’t have teachers unions.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:44 am
“Politico now reporting Dems will pick up seven seats, not five, in the House.”
it IS a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
SUCK IT MITCH MCCONNELL
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:45 am
“In Georgia…you don’t have teachers unions.”
you do – the only thing they do, however, is administer the teachers’ retirement plan – that’s IT.
getalife
November 7th, 2012
11:46 am
We have a check on power in the house and legalized weed in Colorado and Washington.
Life is good.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:46 am
“you do – the only thing they do, however, is administer the teachers’ retirement plan – that’s IT”
yeah, but they aren’t really a union in the sense he meant. The don’t negtiate teachers contracts and stuff.
stands for decibels
November 7th, 2012
11:47 am
“Poorly-phrased comments on abortion and rape, doesn’t begin to cover it…”
yep, Kyle, but it’s baked into your cake, so to speak.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:47 am
“yeah, but they aren’t really a union in the sense he meant. The don’t negtiate teachers contracts and stuff.”
exactly the point I was trying to make in my 11:43
Adam
November 7th, 2012
11:47 am
Looks like I overbid on my popular vote prediction. Obama seems to have gotten 50.3% of the popular vote, not 50.5%. Still, MANDATE!
monty
November 7th, 2012
11:48 am
Everythings going to be covered, somehow. When we are taxed out the whazoo. No one will have a job, but at least those that do, can pay for eveyone’s pre-existing conditions.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:48 am
. . .really?
you have a link memorized to something Rush said about grabbing ankles, and Stevie is the one with a fixation.
I have a link bookmarked because that has been a popular meme to throw around here. More than one individual has posted the BOHICA acronym as a “snicker snicker”.
I have called out many people from all over the political spectrum for marginalizing what I see to be no laughing matter.
Paul
November 7th, 2012
11:48 am
USinUK
Wanna bet if they’ve invested their retirement fund in Bain Capital, like the Calif public employees’ union and a whole host of Ivy League universities?
(been too long without EOI-ing)
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:48 am
Adam – don’t give up hope, the counting isn’t over by a long-shot
Mr Right
November 7th, 2012
11:48 am
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:48 am
Reginald,
Georgia is near the bottom in education. We gotta at least try something different. Throwing more money at the public school system hasn’t worked. Competition brings about the best in every thing. Does it not?
Adam
November 7th, 2012
11:49 am
Doggone: True. I think popular vote took a small hit for people in line when they called Ohio.
getalife
November 7th, 2012
11:50 am
I stopped reading Kyle when he picked the newt to win the primary.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:50 am
Paul – sweetjeebus, let’s hope not! they participate in this instead of SS, so if it goes under, so do they.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:50 am
BRO
We both know that the unions would never allow a shakedown of $75 billion over ten years..heck they’d close down the government!
What is the plan to make sure this money isn’t already spent, which is a given, and the 94%? I’m waiting and hope I’m missing something..
Put another way, our deficit will grow another $5 trillion (at 4.25 trillion a year) and trillion minimum more if our cost of debt increases, regardless of who occupies WH, that’s $5 trillion by $800 billion and thats assuming it won’t be sucked up in the other overspending which I think has already happened..
Ergo, we really need to have a plan for the other $4.2 trillion? I must be missing it? We both know we will see no sustained cuts in spending for political reasons…nothing will change..how long do you thing we can continue down this path?
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:51 am
“Throwing more money at the public school system hasn’t worked”
Somehow I don’t think it’s “throwing money at the school system” when the state CUTS how much they get.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 7th, 2012
11:51 am
“how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions”
Normally people say when you are looking to solve a problem ask the people who actually do the work. They are closer to the problem and can tell you how things really work. So to me the answer is simple – let the teachers help solve the problem. There is no union in Georgia so that argument is moot point. In those locations that have unions, work with them instead of threatening them. That would go a long way on getting a solution.
barking frog
November 7th, 2012
11:51 am
Teachers like other professionals
do not unite, they associate.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:51 am
“We both know that the unions would never allow a shakedown of $75 billion over ten years..heck they’d close down the government!”
they can’t. Federal unions are barred from striking.
Gale
November 7th, 2012
11:52 am
DogGone, I am sorry for your loss. I know you love your dogs. It is like losing a family member. Dogs only live for now and we are left with the hard decisions when they can no longer live a happy life. A tear dripped on my keyboard while I was typing. Many of us have had this experience and know your grief.
Mick
November 7th, 2012
11:52 am
doggone
I still miss my shephard rottweiler a decade later, sorry for your loss…
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:53 am
KAMCHAK
“marginalizing”? Big word!
Perhaps your perspective is skewed as you appear to suffer severely from tightsphicteritis…if you are puckered all the time, I can see how you’d deflect by suggesting I have an anal fixation like that of Rush Limbaugh..
I remain very proud of your fine work!!
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:53 am
Thanks Gale
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:53 am
Thanks Mick
DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)
November 7th, 2012
11:54 am
It was deliberately worded to make it sound like a good thing. My sister voted for it and she is an shining example of how effective the misleading wording was.
HEre in Georgia they should pass the same mandate that they have in florida — all ammendments on the ballot must be in PLAIN ENGLISH.
They shrouded the wording in subterfuge and confusion; and now, we Georgians are STUCK with this crappy law unless we man a massive recall vote (which costs a lot of money).
The best thing to do however, is to change how they word initiatives ont the ballot.
the cat
November 7th, 2012
11:54 am
Doogone-so sorry for your loss. It is the last nice thing we can do for our pets but is never easy.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:54 am
DOGGONE
I stand corrected thanks…so they have no means to fight a $75 billion reduction in pay and benefits? How does the union protect them?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
11:55 am
stevie ray
Not my fault that you posted your “snicker snicker”.
Not my fault that you’re embarrassed that you secretly listen to El Rushbo.
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:55 am
Doggone,
My point is that we as a nation are spending more on education than ever before. And getting worser results. Time to at least try something new because the status quo is simply not working.
Mick
November 7th, 2012
11:56 am
Where oh where is recon? Oh yeah thats right, he’s in the bathroom scrubbing out all the egg plastered on his face…
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:57 am
“How does the union protect them?”
It can negotiate and represent them, but it can’t call a strike. Or at least, I suppose they can…but it would be an illegal strike. All the Federal employees unions can really do is negotiate contracts and respresent employees in disciplinary hearings.
gogators
November 7th, 2012
11:57 am
in georgia the teachers have tenure after 3 years and are virtually impossible to fire maybe thats part of the problem
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:57 am
Thanks the cat
Mick
November 7th, 2012
11:57 am
doom
Didn’t you say your sister was a teacher? Listen to her and what she has to say. She’s on the frontlines of this battle…
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:58 am
KAMCHAK
Of course you, being the philosopher your are, must be familiar with that radical Bertrand Russell..one of my favorite of his findings..
A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:58 am
“all ammendments on the ballot must be in PLAIN ENGLISH”
I don’t think that would help in this case. The English was pretty darn plain…it was just misleading.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
11:59 am
“My point is that we as a nation are spending more on education than ever before”
The problem is that the “nation” doesn’t control how STATE money is allocated and in THIS STATE the funds have been CUT.
St Simons
November 7th, 2012
11:59 am
Yes, it was a Message election, but of course they didn’t get the msg.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
11:59 am
“tightsphicteritis”
oh dear … you obviously don’t know the first thing about the person you’re referring to
barking frog
November 7th, 2012
11:59 am
DDR
he best thing to do however, is to change how they word initiatives ont the ballot.
…….
You would need to change the legislature.
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:00 pm
gogators
November 7th, 2012
11:15 am
so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid
+++++++++++++++
Which you prove with your completely mindless statement. Parents already have the choice of sending their kids to better schools. What YOU voted for goofy if for Nathan Deal to appoint some folks that NO ONE has control over to steal money from YOUR school district and give to the company that kicks them back the most.
Paul
November 7th, 2012
12:00 pm
USinUK
Hopefully you don’t have there what they have in Texas – even for people who go into teaching as a second career after retirement, you retire from teaching, they offset your SS by your retired pay. State reps here say ‘we don’t like double dipping.” Yeah, right… one’s state, one’s federal.
(substitute all sorts of pejorative invective here)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 7th, 2012
12:01 pm
My point is that we as a nation are spending more on education than ever before. And getting worser [sic] results. Time to at least try something new because the status quo is simply not working.
Ummm…charter schools are NOT new. As you have been told but choose to ignore because you can never stick to reality, this gives control to the states and takes away from local schools.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:01 pm
“in georgia the teachers have tenure after 3 years and are virtually impossible to fire maybe thats part of the problem”
bollocks.
All tenure means is that you have to offer them a contract. It doesn’t say that the contract has to be for the same money they received before.
Jm
November 7th, 2012
12:02 pm
Where’s Normal?
He and I have a bet to settle
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
Stevie Ray
You still didn’t answer my question. I know the money is already spent. You keep harping on how bad Obama’s plan is, yet you say absolutely nothing about the GOP’s even worse actions. When will you stop acting like it’s all Obama’s job to fix and realize that there are two parties and 537 elected people who can contribute to finding a solution?
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how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions
Teacher’s unions in Georgia have about as much use as teats on a bull. You’d probably get more use from a football bat than you would from teacher unions in Georgia. I love how some of y’all conservatives are afraid of ghosts.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
Paul – “even for people who go into teaching as a second career after retirement, you retire from teaching, they offset your SS by your retired pay”
from what my sister told me, GA teachers don’t contribute to SS at all, so they don’t receive any of the benefits – therefore, nothing to offset.
now, what would happen if it was a second career? no idea.
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
11:55 am
Doggone,
My point is that we as a nation are spending more on education than ever before. And getting worser results. Time to at least try something new because the status quo is simply not working.
++++++++++++++++++++++
That is such Bullspt Doomy. Taking the money from local dostricts and stealing it is a GOOD solution because “it’s something different?”
How about we whack of your pee pee in the name of better schools and see what that does to improve them? It’s something different………
gogators
November 7th, 2012
12:04 pm
where does georgia rank in education?its stupid to keep the staus quo and continue to waste $ on whats not working
Paul
November 7th, 2012
12:05 pm
Doggone/GA
My deepest condolences to you. They’re family and it hurts.
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
12:05 pm
Mick,
Yes. She is a teacher. And I’ve mixed feelings about teachers unions. I’m glad they’re there to protect the teachers but on the other hand I think their union is more concerned about their turf then about the kids. I think the problem is more bureaucrats than anything else. But as I said we gotta try something. We owe the kids that much.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:05 pm
A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:21 am
I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor[sic] to where we all are gonna take it…
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
11:36 am
Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..
Are you trying to say that you are not comparing the outcome of this election to rape?
I think the evidence makes it more than clear that you are.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
12:06 pm
USNUK
You are correct, my only exposure is his very angry tone on this forum…of course I’m not a medical doctor…but I know a duck when the symptoms surface..
How’s the weather and what’s the UK chatter today?
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:06 pm
gogators
November 7th, 2012
12:04 pm
where does georgia rank in education?its stupid to keep the staus quo and continue to waste $ on whats not working
+++++++++++++++++
No stupid ones want to steal even MORE money from the school districts and give it to politicians as payoffs so private corporations can steal it with no oversight.
barking frog
November 7th, 2012
12:07 pm
The charter school amendment
is now part of Georgia’s etch-a-
sketch Constitution. If you don’t
like it, change it.
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:08 pm
Are “Count on it” Kayaker and “Landslide” Del both on vacation?
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
12:08 pm
Stevie Ray: We both know that the unions would never allow a shakedown of $75 billion over ten years..heck they’d close down the government!
#1 The deal for the $75 Billion over ten years has already been signed into law as part of the debt ceiling and deficit negotiations. That amount came by way of pay freezes and increased contributions to pensions.
#2 Fed Unions can not strike or even participate in slow downs. Fed Unions are about as viscious as a toothless hound dog.
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
12:10 pm
Fred,
How are they “stealing” money Fred. Hyperbole doesn’t make for a good argument. The fact of the matter is that charter schools around the country do a decent job. Why are you guys so afraid of new ideas and competition? Does competition not create a better product?
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
12:11 pm
KAMCHAK
Damn, more brilliance..
My answer is, as I have consistently posted, that we are getting raped everyday by dysfunctional government..dressing it up in blue or red is irrelevent..if you can prove me wrong, knock yourself out…\
Since your game consists primarily of out of contextual positions that only serve to dig a bigger hole as the discussion proceeds, you appear to be hung up in the twigs as the forrest proves elusive..
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
12:11 pm
Thanks Paul
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm
“where does georgia rank in education?its stupid to keep the staus quo and continue to waste $ on whats not working”
and what’s REALLY dumb is to give it to a pseudo-government entity that has NO OVERSIGHT.
getalife
November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm
I think the speaker will return to the table to cut a deal.
I think they will pass a jobs bill.
I think they will try immigration reform.
I think they will address election reform.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm
USinUK,
some school systems choose to opt out of Social Security. Not all of them do though.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:13 pm
“How’s the weather and what’s the UK chatter today?”
we had our first frost yesterday … I’m not emotionally prepared for winter.
as for as UK chatter … a friend of mine said it best – “it’s really windy today – that’s the rest of the world breathing a sigh of relief”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:13 pm
“some school systems choose to opt out of Social Security. Not all of them do though.”
aaahhhhh … I assumed it was all – my sister has worked for 3 – they all did.
the cat
November 7th, 2012
12:14 pm
“it’s really windy today – that’s the rest of the world breathing a sigh of relief”
Love this!!!
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:17 pm
getalife
Not sure what will be attempted and of course passed, however I would say that you will be seeing some compromise on both sides.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:19 pm
USinUK.
It’s a choice some of them make. A lot of the people who work at those schools view it as a pay raise.
And, in response to your earlier comment about tenure. It is a long process to fire a teacher. Many schools have used the recent RIF’s (reduction in force) as a tool to fire specific teachers instead. But you’re right about them only having to offer a contract.
Aquagirl
November 7th, 2012
12:19 pm
Why Doggone…and the rest of us…love our dogs:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/dog_paradox
Don't Forget - Obama is a two term president.
November 7th, 2012
12:20 pm
Thulsa, charter schools can pick and choose their students. It’s hardly a fair comparison. We need leaders who fix problems, not bail on them.
Jefferson
November 7th, 2012
12:20 pm
When the state cuts school funding they are saying cut pay for teachers, locals should not raise property taxes to make up the difference. The state is responsible let it lay with them.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
12:21 pm
BRO
I stand corrected and concede on those points…what purpose exactly does the union serve this astounding number of folks?
Anyhow, my perspective still remains..BO and his constituency wants to play small ball…7.5 billion cut here, and additional $80 billion there…I, especially given my profession, look at the relationship to what is being proposed versus the depth and trends relative to the $16 tillion debt and 1.25 give or take trillion in overspending per year..
GOP plays more of a softball but the approach is reckless and poorly vetted..
How much longer can we sustain this? $25 trillion..$2 trillion deficit spending…borrowing 50% of our spend..scary
independent thinker
November 7th, 2012
12:22 pm
How much money is Tagg Romney and other 1% ers going to make as vulture capitalists that fund for profit schools now that Georgia turned local governance of education over to the state and private enterprise. Haven’t seen a word in this paper about Tagg’s little conflict of interest created from the ten million he somehow siphoned out of Daddy’s blind trust. Doesn’t have to disclose that now, I guess. How many of Deal’s buddies will get benefits from state run charter schools?????. When all three of you report on these serious considerations, I will be all ears. of course conflicts of interest has a strange definition in this state. Kinda like bizness as usual.
getalife
November 7th, 2012
12:23 pm
rw media is not credible.
rw pols will move left.
Our country will move forward.
We are on the right track.
Lets stop the lies and live in the real world where facts matter.
Enough with the doom and gloom.
We will be fine.
STEVIE RAY
November 7th, 2012
12:23 pm
USNUK
Classic…does that mean all the hot air expansion from our election process has turned cold resulting in your frost?
I don’t recall if you have an hour change in time twice a year…twists me up for a week or so every october or so..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
Best synopsis I’ve heard yet as to why Romney lost the election:
“When children are involved it’s hard to compete with Santa Clause vs. the discipline of doing your
household chores.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
We all love our pooches
And our Red-Ear Slider turtles!
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
Aquagirl – that was just TOO cute, and so true!
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
12:10 pm
Fred,
How are they “stealing” money Fred. Hyperbole doesn’t make for a good argument. The fact of the matter is that charter schools around the country do a decent job. Why are you guys so afraid of new ideas and competition? Does competition not create a better product?
++++++++++++++++++++
You are arguing to seperate entities Doomy and trying to “equate” them.
Charter schools are cool. Some of the better schools in Georgia are charter schools. Beofre this money grab, local communities COULD form charter schools. If local school boards said no, they could appeal to the State School board and STILL get a charter school. That has nothing to do with amendment one as you fully know.
Amendment one creates a double secret double nought commision appointed by Nathan Deal and answerable to no one BUT Nathan Deal that decides willy nilly where to put an UNFUNDED Charter school and then steals money from that local school system to “pay” for it. The local system doesnt’ run that “charter school” no some special privately owned supposedly “not for profit” company run by people like Dorothy June Hairston Brown. Ms Brown of course is under federal indictment for stealing over 6.5 million dollars from Philly schools but she is by no means the only one doing this, nor the only one being indicted.
Now for you completely insane “school competition” thing. Are you completely unaware of the BILLIONS that for profit Universities have cost this Country? The operators aren’t, why do you think they are clamoring to become the “competition” for public local schools. More money to steal.
You should educate yourself Doomy and quit spouting the f’ing party line as they steal tax payer money. You are too smart for that. Unless of course you are one of the thieves who stand to benefit directly off this thievery.
larry
November 7th, 2012
12:25 pm
Well, i was wrong about Mitt in Georgia. I thought Gary Johnson would steal a lot votes from him considering what Mitt did in the primaries . I would like to add that i did breathe a big sigh of relief last night considering the presidential race.
As far as the admendment 1 goes, we are screwed. Education did not need more bureaucracy, especially a commission appointed by the governor of all people. I read where someone posted that throwing money at education wasn’t working. With all due respect, what state are they living in? The state of Georgia hasnt thrown money at education since 2002. I know cutting funding and creating more bureaucracy will not work at all.
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
“Best synopsis I’ve heard yet as to why Romney lost the election:”
Translation: the excuses are running rampant in right leaning circles
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
Here’s another “charter school” scam. http://bullischarterscam.org/
Aquagirl
November 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
When children are involved it’s hard to compete with Santa Clause vs. the discipline of doing your
household chores.”
At least wait until Rush takes his first commercial break before you parrot his nonsense.
Woodstock Mike
November 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
Ok guys, the country has made it’s choice, congratulations to President Obama. Now let’s support our President and get some things done in Washington!!
getalife
November 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
Both,
The President won so he gets his tax increase on the wealthy and the speaker will get his cuts.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:27 pm
“And, in response to your earlier comment about tenure. It is a long process to fire a teacher. Many schools have used the recent RIF’s (reduction in force) as a tool to fire specific teachers instead. But you’re right about them only having to offer a contract.”
yes. which is why it’s not that difficult to get rid of tenured teachers – you’re not firing them, you’re offering them their contract – if they choose not to take it, that’s their decision.
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:27 pm
ANother charter school fraud, this one lists several: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/26/1113769/-Unregulated-charter-school-finances-wasting-taxpayer-money-Fraud-is-rampant-harm-to-students
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:28 pm
Charter School Fraud in Miami:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/12/herald-investigation-into-charter-school-cozy-connections-taxpayer-paid-profits-.html
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:28 pm
getalife
I would agree that something along those lines is coming and it should be.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:29 pm
My answer is, as I have consistently posted, that we are getting raped
Your Bertrand Russell quote insinuates that I misunderstood your references, but now you are confirming that my original assertion is true.
Rape is not a joking matter to be taken lightly, as I am sure that Todd Akin and that other republican asshat can confirm.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 7th, 2012
12:30 pm
how many days until Alan West gets his Fox show?
getalife
November 7th, 2012
12:30 pm
Doggone,
Sorry for your loss.
We had a rat terrier puppy show up and the Humane Society found someone that wants him or I would offer him to you.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:30 pm
USinUK. . . but what happens when they decide to take the contract?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 7th, 2012
12:31 pm
Doom — ” Hyperbole doesn’t make for a good argument. The fact of the matter is that charter schools around the country do a decent job. Why are you guys so afraid of new ideas and competition? Does competition not create a better product?”
Doom, did you not read the proposition before you voted on it?
It wasn’t a vote to permit or deny charter schools; they’re already permissible under state law. School districts can already set them up, and if parents get rebuffed by school boards, they can go to the State Board of Education to override the local school board’s refusal.
It sounds to me like you don’t even know what the referendum issue was about.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
12:33 pm
Thanks Getalife…but I’m not looking for another dog right now. I’ve still got 2 at home. It’s getting to feel really odd, though, not to have 10 anymore!
the cat
November 7th, 2012
12:33 pm
Fred-thanks for all those links. I voted no but I truly believe many people voted yes because of the intentional poor wording in the amendment. Any chance there will be a lawsuit and a do over?
chram
November 7th, 2012
12:34 pm
What a fantastic night for America. Landslides on marriage equality and marijuana reform. Although unlike most papers, this doesn’t even seem to be mentioned on ajc’s front page. The country has finally evolved and moved beyond the hatred and ignorance of the Christian right. You can be proud to be an American again.
Aquagirl
November 7th, 2012
12:34 pm
that was just TOO cute, and so true!
It’s one of those things that makes you laugh and cry…Like those explosive paradoxes of enthusiasm we call dogs. (sniffle)
Jm
November 7th, 2012
12:34 pm
Dow down 300
Obama, that’s not a ringing endorsement by capitalists for 4 more years….
Joe Hussein Mama
November 7th, 2012
12:34 pm
0311 — “Best synopsis I’ve heard yet as to why Romney lost the election”
Romney lost the election because he was a spitty candidate who ran a spitty campaign.
The people saw him, heard him and decided to stick with the other guy.
There’s your explanation; you can quit looking for excuses now.
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:34 pm
Aquagirl
Rush and many others fooled many folks that yesterday was going to be a walk in the park for Romney, yet the majority of those folks are right back today for more of the same.
getalife
November 7th, 2012
12:35 pm
Doggone,
I have one big dog and he is having fun playing with the puppy.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:37 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:29 pm
My answer is, as I have consistently posted, that we are getting raped
Your Bertrand Russell quote insinuates that I misunderstood your references, but now you are confirming that my original assertion is true.
Rape is not a joking matter to be taken lightly, as I am sure that Todd Akin and that other republican asshat can confirm
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you have completely changed tact on this. your original post had very little to talk about how lightly “rape” is taken. you wanted to say someone listened to Rush, complete with eyeroll. . . .
Anyway. . . have at it.
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:38 pm
Could it be that Lindsey Graham was on to something when he spoke about minority outreach and “not enough angry white males”?
He was basically laughed at by a good percentage of his party and those who vote Republican.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
“USinUK. . . but what happens when they decide to take the contract?”
when you make the offer so low as to be insulting, they don’t
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
Dow down 300
Obama, that’s not a ringing endorsement by capitalists for 4 more years….
The Dow opened at 8279.63 on 1/20/09.
The Dow is now trading at 12950.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
I’m a fan of charter schools offering alternatives to poor public schools in certain areas. . .I just don’t want people/groups to be able to set up shop with public funds to do it.
I think the wording was misleading.
Jm
November 7th, 2012
12:42 pm
Tbs
I don’t know how many times I will have to say this
Republicans can’t win the Hispanic vote
Democrats have put them in a box by being willing to do amnesty
Republicans can’t win
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:42 pm
you wanted to say someone listened to Rush, complete with eyeroll. . . .
Not my fault that you are embarrassed for listening to Rush either.
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
Jm
You don’t have to say anything if you do not wish to do so.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
“USinUK. . . but what happens when they decide to take the contract?”
when you make the offer so low as to be insulting, they don’t
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I’m not 100% certain on this, but I don’t believe they can do that. They still have to follow the state pay scale, as well as the local supplement pay scale in regards to years of experience.
Are you saying they could offer them a job as a janitor or something? (no disrespect towards janitors intended)
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
Stevie Ray: what purpose exactly does the union serve this astounding number of folks?
Conflict management, representation in administrative hearings, contract negotiations to cover scheduling, vacation, and other personnel issues.
Anyhow, my perspective still remains..BO and his constituency wants to play small ball…7.5 billion cut here, and additional $80 billion there…
You still fail to recognize the significance of getting a group that is beholden to no increases at all to concede to increasing revenue, even if it’s a small, insignificant amount. If Obama and the Dems got the GOP to agree to a .5% tax increase, I would celebrate as though Alabama won the national championship as that would signify that Grover Norquist’s grip is loosening, and that, more than anything else, is what this country needs. Once we can break that mentality, we can begin to address debt and deficit management in earnest.
Mick
November 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
0311
Rush is always wrong in his twisted analysis. Romney is the one who was playing santa claus and promising everything to everyone, except the forty seven percent were not buying his lie. It’s over, move on and let’s see what happens…
Mick
November 7th, 2012
12:49 pm
jm
The dow is off because the house did not change, they are the obstuctionists and the market is reacting to their past history of no compromise. It’s the house, not obama they are worried about…
DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)
November 7th, 2012
12:49 pm
DogGone — Sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences
Frog: You would need to change the legislature.
We’ can follow Florida’s model — they figured out a way to do it.
flagboy?
November 7th, 2012
12:51 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:42 pm
you wanted to say someone listened to Rush, complete with eyeroll. . . .
Not my fault that you are embarrassed for listening to Rush either.
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my friend, I can honestly say I have never listened to Rush, nor do I visit any website of his, so your fault would be making an incorrect assumption.
Keep going with the cute one liners and all. I know the MO around here is to just keep replying until you’re the “winner”, but you seriously would have been better served just admitting your original was poor judgement.
i’ll leave the next comment to you. I won’t be replying.
the cat
November 7th, 2012
12:52 pm
I would have voted for the Romney that was the governor of Mass before the fright wing bought him but could not even consider after he selected Paul Ryan as his running mate. Romney is not a young man, dies in office and then we have Lyin Ryan as pres and Boner as VP??? oh hell no.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
12:58 pm
i’ll leave the next comment to you. I won’t be replying.
(shrug)
Fred ™
November 7th, 2012
12:59 pm
he cat
November 7th, 2012
12:33 pm
Fred-thanks for all those links. I voted no but I truly believe many people voted yes because of the intentional poor wording in the amendment. Any chance there will be a lawsuit and a do over?
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No cat. Republicans will NEVER admit they made a mistake or hold their leaders responsible for stealing. They knew Nathan Deal was a thief when they nominated and elected him. They WANT him to steal them blind. He’s the white republican man’s version of Eddie Long or Creflo Dollar.
steve whitmire
November 7th, 2012
1:04 pm
the US is divided into two groups of people. Obama and his supporters, most of them intelligent and attractive. And then there’s the other group, the looooooooooooooooooooosers, na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye, what a whining bunch of old white Confederacy loving slugs
independent thinker
November 7th, 2012
1:05 pm
Reasons Willard lost and did not get my vote even though I voted for McCain.:
1. Draft dodger who protested for the war while his father lost to Nixon for telling the truth about how we were being lied to by the military that the war was being won. Then Mitt hires Dan Senor who got paid by Bush to lie about Mission Accomplished for our puppet government in Iraq.
2. Bill Clinton showed up and made voters understand what Obama accomplished and why Romney was a bullsh—er;
3. Paul Ryan was a hypocrite and liar with his voting and stimulus history;
4. Chris Christie
5. “We gave you people all you need” comment;
6. Profiteering off of the auto bailout through Delphi
7. lying about outsourcing and offshoring of jobs;
8. GOP obstruction in Congress;
9.tax cuts for the wealthy
10. George Bush
11. and getting in bed with the worst of the Neocons and not having a clue about foreign affairs.