Video chat: Picking the carcass of the 2012 election

Kyle Wingfield, Aaron Gould Sheinin and I talk through the implications of last night’s results for Georgia, the nation and the Republican Party.

– Jay Bookman

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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:49 am

(can not BELIEVE the charter schools amendment passed)

theintelligentdesigner

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

Obama’s popular count was down because red state Obama voters knew what their votes meant.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 7th, 2012
10:51 am

USinUK@1049,

Me either. There will still be a fight though. People will be watching.

theintelligentdesigner

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

Any chance the law can make a difference in Ga.? Like, Jesus didn’t say he wanted control of public schools? Big business religion should be pushed into the slimy corner that grew it.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

hey … did I mention that women pretty much rocked the vote yesterday:

According to exit polls, Obama won 54% of the women’s vote nationally, against 45% for his challenger. In fact, Obama won the women’s vote in almost every swing state: by 51 to 48 in Florida, 55 to 44 in New Hampshire, 52 to 47 in North Carolina, 53 to 46 in Virginia and 57 to 43 in Iowa.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/07/barack-obama-victory-rainbow-coalition

The Thin Guy

November 7th, 2012
10:54 am

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. So we are cursed with another four unbearable years of those two low-grade morons systematically destroying the former great USA. This is certainly a significant contest. Not Republicans vs demoncraps, right vs left, liberals vs conservative: the workers vs the bums and the bums won. The only good thing to come out of this disaster is when we lose our health care in 2014 and are forced into zerØcare it will totally destroy our healthcare systems and plunge us into a depression. This will induce the third American revolution. We won the first one against the Limeys, lost the second to the Yankees, and in the third we will battle the bums. USA, RIP.

theintelligentdesigner

November 7th, 2012
10:56 am

CSA, still lost, still stupid.

paulo977

November 7th, 2012
10:59 am

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
10:59 am

“(can not BELIEVE the charter schools amendment passed)”

I can…easily. It was deliberately worded to make it sound like a good thing. My sister voted for it and she is an shining example of how effective the misleading wording was.

paulo977

November 7th, 2012
11:01 am

USinUK …….Charter schools ? ….Back to the past we go !!!
________________________________________________

Some who voted for them are really really ignorant , uneducated and dumb dumb dumb!!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:01 am

ooooo … “John Weaver, a Republican strategist: “We have a choice: we can become a shrinking regional party of middle-aged and older white men, or we can fight to become a national governing party. And to do the latter we have to fix our Hispanic problem as quickly as possible, we’ve got to accept science and start calling out these false equivalencies when they occur within our party about things that are just not true, and not tolerate the intolerant.””

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
11:01 am

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

12 hours and a quart of cheap hooch and that’s what you come up with?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
11:02 am

The supermajorities in the GA legislature does not bode well for Georgia.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:03 am

“12 hours and a quart of cheap hooch and that’s what you come up with?”

Hooch, cheap or not, doesn’t make you foolish…it just releases the foolishness that is already in you.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 7th, 2012
11:04 am

USinUK: “(can not BELIEVE the charter schools amendment passed)”

I can. The snake-oil “efficient market hypothesis” still reigns unchallenged in the American political system, accepted more or less by both parties,. and is thus basically accepted by large parts of the population as well.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 7th, 2012
11:05 am

The Thin Dude – lighten up man. Your party lost at the national level because it didn’t present a good enough case to America for people to vote for it and win.

Brad Steel

November 7th, 2012
11:08 am

Kyle’s discussion of correcting the party with better communication of conservative principles is cute. But ignoring the loudmouth reprobates and vapid Palin-esque in conservative propaganda makes his analysis look deluded.

That said, Reagan’s removal of the Fairness Doctrine created the AM/FOX conservative yelling. And it is that loud-mouh obnoxious child that has become an albatross to the reasonable voice, which even the libs miss.

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
11:09 am

“As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. So we are cursed with another four unbearable years of those two low-grade morons systematically destroying the former great USA. This is certainly a significant contest. Not Republicans vs demoncraps, right vs left, liberals vs conservative: the workers vs the bums and the bums won. The only good thing to come out of this disaster is when we lose our health care in 2014 and are forced into zerØcare it will totally destroy our healthcare systems and plunge us into a depression. This will induce the third American revolution. We won the first one against the Limeys, lost the second to the Yankees, and in the third we will battle the bums. USA, RIP.”
==============
Why, yes, it IS a beautiful day, isn’t it ! Sorry you’re not feeling well this morning. But cheer up – pre-existing conditions will still be covered!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:10 am

“Hooch, cheap or not, doesn’t make you foolish…it just releases the foolishness that is already in you.”

:lol:

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

The Thin Guy is wanting America to fail.

How patriotic!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

Brett Baier to Karl Rove, on the air:

Ultimately, it was left to Fox’s Bret Baier to make a feeble excuse for the chastened Rove. “Maybe we got you a slow computer,” he offered weakly.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:13 am

The spectacle had dragged on for forty minutes, providing an unparalleled spectacle of schadenfreude for Democrats: Karl Rove, stricken, like Humpty-Dumpty after the fall, as Barone patiently explained to him, as one might talk to a child, that Obama really had won Ohio—and the election.

salon.com

priceless

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
11:14 am

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

Yep, The Conservative leaning state of Georgia voted for big government regulation of schools.

gogators

November 7th, 2012
11:15 am

so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:15 am

Charter amendment passed. Nothing will improve education system like a little competition. The public schools aren’t afraid of a little competition are they?

indigo

November 7th, 2012
11:16 am

The Thin Guy

You, on the other hand, wanted us to elect a George W. Bush clone and go back to the glory days of two usless credit card wars, a huge loss of blood and treasure and the worst recession since The Great Recession.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:17 am

USinUK – did you see the message I left you in the previous blog?

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:17 am

“so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid”

As I said…it was worded to make it sound like a good thing. Hate to be the one to break it to you…but parents ALREADY have that choice.

ideasbm

November 7th, 2012
11:18 am

I had rather be a shrinking middle age white mans party than to include someone that is in violation of our laws or who only vote for one issue such as abortion. Personally that is your own choice but to vote for a socialist leader is beyond my idea of the way to go. Bookman is still an idiot.

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:18 am

Gogators,

Choice only applies to abortion for the liberals. Otherwise they don’t give a shyte.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:18 am

“USinUK – did you see the message I left you in the previous blog?”

I’ve been popping in and out – I think I missed it … whatup?

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:19 am

Another great and very appropos quote from Huey Long speech for re-election in 1932:

“They’ve got a set of Republican waiters on one side and Democratic waiters on the other side, but no matter which set of waiters bring you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street Kitchen…”

Very profound truth from a man who knew little of the truth..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:20 am

B. Steel — “Kyle’s discussion of correcting the party with better communication of conservative principles is cute. But ignoring the loudmouth reprobates and vapid Palin-esque in conservative propaganda makes his analysis look deluded.”

It doesn’t just *look* deluded; it *is* deluded.

It’s the same kind of self-indulgent confidence in the objective correctness of one’s message that drives some christians to keep evangelizing in the USA; as if the vast majority of Americans haven’t actually *heard* the christian message *dozens* of times in their lives. IMO, the notion that what American evangelistic christianity and what American conservatism needs is MOAR MESSAGE DISCIPLINE and TURN UP THE VOLUME is just patently foolish. The messages are getting out fine, and they’re being *heard* fine, too. They’re just not being *agreed with.*

At this point, conservatives raising their voices to get their message out better is like an American tourist in a foreign country; raising his voice so that the foreign souvenir-seller can understand him better — without bothering to ascertain whether the merchant speaks English or not, or whether he just doesn’t want to bargain with the obtuse American bonehead who’s standing in front of him and shouting.

the cat

November 7th, 2012
11:20 am

Kyle needs to start working out with Christie.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
11:20 am

yes, the only tragedy in this is (and it may not be a tragedy but an
opportunity), is that there is one property for sale on de island
as of today – ours. We are taking the two littlest indians out of
this god-forsaken Somalia to the civilized world where they can
be properly educated.
In our view, it would be child abuse to not get them out of here
before they have to try to ‘make it’ from a scam business masquerading
as a ’skool’ learning that the earth is 6000 yrs old and jaysus rode the
dinosaurs for profit, because of ‘merkan exceptionalism – duh!

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am

gogators and Thulsa – this was not as amendment allowing “better schools”, as you both appear to believe. Charter schools are somewhat common in Georgia.

This was a an amendment to allow the decisions of a duly-elected local public body to be invalidated by a group of folks appointed by the governor. If you’re both big-centralized-government types, cool, we can discuss it on that level. I just wanted to make sure you understood what you were talking about. :)

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am

After I voted yesterday and had my little peach ticket, I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor to where we all are gonna take it…regardless of who won…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:22 am

“I had rather be a shrinking middle age white mans party than to include someone that is in violation of our laws or who only vote for one issue such as abortion. ”

then you fit right in with the 2012 GOP

long may you reign.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:22 am

“I think I missed it … whatup?”

I had to have one of my dogs euthanized on Monday. He had a massive respiratory infection we just couldn’t get cleared up and it finally became more than his system could deal with.

killerj

November 7th, 2012
11:22 am

Like an orange split down the middle,one side sweet,the other side bitter,so the song remain,s the same,more troubled time,s ahead America.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:23 am

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am
After I voted yesterday and had my little peach ticket, I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor to where we all are gonna take it…regardless of who won…
____________________________

16 TRILLION in debt. Neither Romney or Obama has a plan for that.

I agree with you 100%

Voters Challenge Charter School Amendment

November 7th, 2012
11:23 am

ATLANTA (CN) – Georgia’s governor is using misleading language to try to sneak a constitutional amendment past voters, to create “a third public school system” to funnel money to profit-seeking private companies, voters claim in court.
Beverly Hedges and the Rev. Timothy McDonald sued Gov. Nathan Deal in Fulton County Superior Court. Hedges is a public school teacher and McDonald is senior pastor at First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta.
They claim the state placed “affirmatively misleading language” in the amendment’s preamble, including language that was rejected by the Georgia General Assembly, to deceive voters about the scope and impact of the amendment.
The purpose, the voters say, is to “create a duplicate bureaucracy for charter school approval.”
“Not having succeeded in passing this deceptive, confusing and affirmatively misleading language through the legislative process, defendants have brought this language in the back door as the preamble to the actual language chosen and passed by the General Assembly which itself presents an inaccurate picture of the dramatic constitutional changes proposed,” the complaint states.
“The ballot language is fatally flawed, because the preamble language prescribed by the governor and designated by the Constitutional Amendments Publication Board when combined with the proposed amendment is affirmatively misleading.
“First, while the ballot language states that the amendment is necessary for ’state and local approval of public charter schools,’ the Georgia Constitution and laws already permit charter schools. Even if a local school board denies an application for a charter school, existing law includes an appeal process to the state.
“Second, while the ballot language speaks to ‘public charter schools’ and the preamble to ‘improving student achievement and parental involvement,’ the amendment actually allows for the creation of a third public school system (that may have for-profit motives of private companies). This third public school system lacks any direct accountability to local voters/parents and drains state money that would otherwise go to local school systems.
“Third, the preamble (in bold font larger than the actual language passed by the General Assembly) contains unbalanced electioneering, making biased and unsupportable promises of ‘improving student achievement’ and increased ‘parental involvement.’” (Parentheses in complaint).
The Georgia General Assembly approved the proposed charter schools amendment, HR 1162, in 2011, after rejecting a version that contained language similar to the current preamble, according to the complaint.
“Contrary to the ballot language, HR 1162 actually would create a state commission that can authorize charter schools across the state of Georgia, and would re-establish a statewide commission that would have the power to approve charters even over the objections of local school districts,” the complaint states. “The constitutional amendment would drain funds from traditional public school systems and allow public money to be used towards for-profit charter facilities. Additionally, this constitutional amendment would direct current taxpayers’ dollars to benefit and increase profits of out-of-state for profit charter school organizations.”
The plaintiffs say the preamble language could shift voting results on the constitutional amendment by as much as 10 percent.
They claim that passage of the amendment “would actually divert $430 million from the schools to create a duplicate bureaucracy for charter school approval.”
They seek a declaration that the ballot language is unconstitutional, and want enforcement of the amendment enjoined if voters approve it.
They are represented by Gerald Weber.
Also named as defendants are Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle and Secretary of State Brian Kemp.

Fedup

November 7th, 2012
11:24 am

Competition is fine. In the old way a school district had the choice of having a charter school. In the new system Nathan’s buddies will decide. Can you see Nathan retiring his debts. Fools.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
11:25 am

I decided to wear it on my ass as a precusor[sic] to where we all are gonna take it…

Another fan of El Rushbo.

:roll:

YouLibs

November 7th, 2012
11:26 am

As a rule, I don’t make predictions about politics or football because I don’t like wearing egg on my face. I’ve pretty easily resisted the tendency to gloat so far this morning, but thulsa, skinny, gogators, and all these “newcomers” are putting a few cracks in my resolve.

What does it take to cure people of tone deafness? In some cases it seems to be incurable.

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
11:26 am

so you dont want parents to have the choice of sending their kids to better schools? you cant fix stupid

You definitely prove that you can’t fix stupid. Local school systems already have the ability to set up charter schools to give parents a choice for schools. What you stupidly voted for was to give the state government power to overrule the local wishes of the people who pay local taxes for schools. However, given your track record here, stupid is as stupid does.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
11:26 am

Doggone, sorry to hear about your dog. It’s never easy.

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 7th, 2012
11:26 am

The Charter School amendment was a phoney issue. People already had the choice to set up a charter school within their district. If the school board didn’t agree then you vote those people out at the next election and get people who want charter schools. With this amendment you now have an unelected, unaccountable board that will make the decision for you whether or not you want them to.

So much for small, non-intrusive government.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:28 am

Thanks Keep up, and no it’s never easy

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
11:28 am

Doggone — “I had to have one of my dogs euthanized on Monday. He had a massive respiratory infection we just couldn’t get cleared up and it finally became more than his system could deal with.”

(((hug)))

I am SO sorry for your loss. We lost one of our two dogs to acute renal failure in the spring of last year; my wife is convinced it was those damn chicken treats from China that did him in. :(

We asked the vet to do whatever he could to save our little guy, but the doctor said that whatever time he could give would be full of pain and misery. So we made the same choice you did.

I know you’re hurting; I will show my wife this post and we will hurt along with you.

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
11:29 am

Doggone

Sorry to hear about your loss…..

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:30 am

Reginald,

I was initially opposed to the amendment based on Jays blog. But when I saw who opposed it and it was all the public education folks then common sense took over. If the big money folks who opposed it were teachers unions and education bureaucrats then it definitely needs support.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:30 am

Kamchak – how are you tying Stevie Ray to Rush with that link?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
11:31 am

Thanks Keep up, and no it’s never easy

My condolences as well.

I know that pets bring much joy into our lives, but the heartbreak of losing them is more than I can bear.

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:32 am

FLAGBOY

C’mon, we both know they both offer attractive plans to address the debt/deficit…BO’s plan is to generate $80 billion a year (compares favorably to the $1.3 trillon or so we spend beyond our means every year, and negotiate cuts that won’t begin until he is near done in 2016..We haven’t heard the rest of the plan but addressing the other 90% plus should be a lay-up…or gimme put as the case may be..

Of course we’d have to borrow more but the DEMS and their economists don’t feel debt or deficits are really a problem..not good for business but ok for gubment..

The challenger suggested a very clear plan…cut revenues for all including businesses, cut all departments except defense where we need to increse to get votes from shipbuilders in VA…

How dare you suggest neither had a plan!

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
11:34 am

Doom @ 11:30

Don’t complain about big government running the education system since you voted for it. If you do, I will remind you time and time again how you supported “Big Government” on November 6, 2012.

:)

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:35 am

Thanks JHM – he’d been fighting that infection for over 3 years, but nothing we did could get rid of it and it finally just got to be more than he could handle. And sorry to hear about your guys too.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:35 am

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:35 am

I’m sorry to about doggones dog. We all love our pooches and it sucks when they die.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
11:35 am

gogators

November 7th, 2012
11:35 am

georgia ranks in public education is near the bottom of the barrel something needs to change so we can give the kids abetter chance

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:36 am

KAMCHAK

Hello my dear friend…nice to hear you have let me know that you are around, active, and putting out comments without and sense of accuracy..

Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..I can understand its more fun for you to speak (at least you are consistent) without regard for context

Congratulations on yet another example of your sheer brilliance..have you considered writing that philosophy text as I suggested? A guy with your mind should take advantage of the glut in supply of new, macro thought!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 7th, 2012
11:36 am

Well, looks like us conservatives need to start cuddling up with the Mexicans. The White vote has went from 79% to 72% and it will be below 70% in the next election. The Mexican percent just keeps going up. Meanwhile Those People are holding steady at 13%. It’s time to open our homes to the Mexicans and lie to them like a lazy dog if we ever want to have the White House and Senate again. I can’t hardly beleive they’d get so upset about Mitt’s saying he was going to starve them out and let them self-deport.

Looks like the women are POed at us too. Better learn to fall in love with abortion and birth control and stop saying what we really think. The young people don’t like us neither and Those People just keep on voting for the librul Democrats in big numbers.

If we don’t change quick our grandkids are going to talk about their granddaddy being a Republican like we talk about people that were Whigs.

We’re in a bad fix and the only answer we got right now is No. I don’t about you but I’m planning on learning to talk in Spanish and I’m going to see if I can grow a ‘Fro, start hanging out at the Apple store, and get in touch with my feminine side.

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
11:36 am

“I was initially opposed to the amendment based on Jays blog. But when I saw who opposed it and it was all the public education folks then common sense took over. If the big money folks who opposed it were teachers unions and education bureaucrats then it definitely needs support.”

Do I understand correctly that you were “initially opposed to the amendment ,” but changed your mind because of who was supporting it?

That could lead one to the conclusion that you allowed “teachers unions and education bureaucrats” to dictate your political stance?

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
11:36 am

Stevie Ray

Well, considering the only plan the GOP has put forth was to shake down fed employees for $75 Billion over TEN years, seems as if Obama’s $80 Billion a year would do far more towards debt reduction, don’t you think?

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

Stevie. .you’re right. I stand corrected.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

Thank Thulsa

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

Doggone – oh, honey!! I’m so very sorry!!! oh, my heart hurts for you. it’s the hardest decision – no matter how much your head tells you it’s right, it just hurts.

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

georgia ranks in public education is near the bottom of the barrel something needs to change so we can give the kids abetter chance

Adding more political bureaucracy isn’t going to make things better. Why not work towards moving politics out of the educational system?

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

KAMCHAK,

I guess my “anal fixation” is of great worry to you…is that homophobic or something more complicated relating to the process of your admirable development?

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:38 am

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:39 am

USinUK – Thanks. Yes it did hurt…but when I found out how bad it really was, that helped. At least I knew I made the right decision

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
11:39 am

Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..

Irrelevant to your anal fixation.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:39 am

(Last time I took the Wondermutt to the vet for her regularly scheduled bloodwork, there was a family there on a one-way ticket … it was all I could do not to start crying with them in the lobby )

one of my wiser friends once said “when you get a dog, you’re investing in heartache 15 years later” … I dread the day when we have to make that trip.

Jay

November 7th, 2012
11:39 am

Politico now reporting Dems will pick up seven seats, not five, in the House.

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:40 am

BRO

It’s all already spent…$80 billion a year is 6% and I guess a start but the other 94% seems to be lacking..no spine in DC to make difficult decisions…they may lose votes or find themselves in competition with a formidably funded competitor next election cycle..

Paul

November 7th, 2012
11:40 am

Jay

I find those moderated discussions most informative. Please continue them.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:41 am

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
11:39 am
Did you happen to notice that I am suggesting that regardless of party, we will continued to get screwed..

Irrelevant to your anal fixation.
______________________________________

. . .really?

you have a link memorized to something Rush said about grabbing ankles, and Stevie is the one with a fixation.

geez. grow up.

gogators

November 7th, 2012
11:41 am

how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:41 am

Doggone – 11:39 – sending you and yours hugs.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
11:42 am

STEVIE RAY

November 7th, 2012
11:40 am
BRO

It’s all already spent…$80 billion a year is 6% and I guess a start but the other 94% seems to be lacking..no spine in DC to make difficult decisions…they may lose votes or find themselves in competition with a formidably funded competitor next election cycle..
__________________________

Stevie. .run for office

i’d vote for you, anal fixation rumors or not.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:42 am

“I dread the day when we have to make that trip.”

It’s never eay, but when they have lived a long, good life…at least you have that satisfaction. To lose one young (he was only 8 1/2) hurts just that much more.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:43 am

“how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions”

ohfercryingoutloud … please tell me ONE THING the Ga Teachers Union has ever done … tell me one thing they’ve lobbied … tell me one time they’ve threatened strike … tell me one thing they’ve ever done about teacher tenure

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:43 am

“how do you get politics out of education when you have teachers unions”

In Georgia…you don’t have teachers unions.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:44 am

“Politico now reporting Dems will pick up seven seats, not five, in the House.”

it IS a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

SUCK IT MITCH MCCONNELL

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:45 am

“In Georgia…you don’t have teachers unions.”

you do – the only thing they do, however, is administer the teachers’ retirement plan – that’s IT.

getalife

November 7th, 2012
11:46 am

We have a check on power in the house and legalized weed in Colorado and Washington.

Life is good.

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:46 am

“you do – the only thing they do, however, is administer the teachers’ retirement plan – that’s IT”

yeah, but they aren’t really a union in the sense he meant. The don’t negtiate teachers contracts and stuff.

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
11:47 am

“Poorly-phrased comments on abortion and rape, doesn’t begin to cover it…”

yep, Kyle, but it’s baked into your cake, so to speak.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:47 am

“yeah, but they aren’t really a union in the sense he meant. The don’t negtiate teachers contracts and stuff.”

exactly the point I was trying to make in my 11:43

Adam

November 7th, 2012
11:47 am

Looks like I overbid on my popular vote prediction. Obama seems to have gotten 50.3% of the popular vote, not 50.5%. Still, MANDATE!

monty

November 7th, 2012
11:48 am

Everythings going to be covered, somehow. When we are taxed out the whazoo. No one will have a job, but at least those that do, can pay for eveyone’s pre-existing conditions.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
11:48 am

. . .really?

you have a link memorized to something Rush said about grabbing ankles, and Stevie is the one with a fixation.

I have a link bookmarked because that has been a popular meme to throw around here. More than one individual has posted the BOHICA acronym as a “snicker snicker”.

I have called out many people from all over the political spectrum for marginalizing what I see to be no laughing matter.

Paul

November 7th, 2012
11:48 am

USinUK

Wanna bet if they’ve invested their retirement fund in Bain Capital, like the Calif public employees’ union and a whole host of Ivy League universities?

;-)

(been too long without EOI-ing)

Doggone/GA

November 7th, 2012
11:48 am

Adam – don’t give up hope, the counting isn’t over by a long-shot

Mr Right

November 7th, 2012
11:48 am

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
11:48 am

Reginald,

Georgia is near the bottom in education. We gotta at least try something different. Throwing more money at the public school system hasn’t worked. Competition brings about the best in every thing. Does it not?

Adam

November 7th, 2012
11:49 am

Doggone: True. I think popular vote took a small hit for people in line when they called Ohio. :)

getalife

November 7th, 2012
11:50 am

I stopped reading Kyle when he picked the newt to win the primary.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
11:50 am

Paul – sweetjeebus, let’s hope not! they participate in this instead of SS, so if it goes under, so do they.