Conservative media betrayed, failed its audience

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There’s truth being told in conservative circles today, for those who are willing to hear it.

Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, for example, appears to be throwing his support behind the so-called DREAM Act, which would allow young immigrants brought here illegally as children to attend college and earn citizenship:

“In the next Congress, I am committed to working on upward mobility policies that will ensure people who work hard and play by the rules can rise above the circumstances of their birth and leave their children better off. The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities who are trying to make it, and Republicans need to work harder than ever to communicate our beliefs to them.”

And Conor Friedersdorf, writing in The Atlantic, asks why so many of his conservative colleagues were shocked and surprised last night, given that the outcome had been predicted for weeks by polls and expert analysis.

His conclusion: Because under the business model employed by the right-wing media at Fox News and elsewhere, it is more profitable to tell conservatives what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.

“But guess what?” he asks his fellow conservatives.

You haven’t just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven’t tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they’ve done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.

Why do you keep putting up with it?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because Romney supporters like Jennifer Rubin and Hugh Hewitt saw it as their duty to spin constantly for their favored candidate rather than being frank about his strengths and weaknesses. What conservative Washington Post readers got, when they traded in Dave Weigel for Rubin, was a lot more hackery and a lot less informed about the presidential election.

Conservatives were at an information disadvantage because so many right-leaning outlets wasted time on stories the rest of America dismissed as nonsense. WorldNetDaily brought you birtherism. Forbes brought you Kenyan anti-colonialism. National Review obsessed about an imaginary rejection of American exceptionalism, misrepresenting an Obama quote in the process, and Andy McCarthy was interviewed widely about his theory that Obama, aka the Drone Warrior in Chief, allied himself with our Islamist enemies in a “Grand Jihad” against America. Seriously?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because their information elites pandered in the most cynical, self-defeating ways, treating would-be candidates like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain as if they were plausible presidents rather than national jokes who’d lose worse than George McGovern.

How many months were wasted on them?

How many hours of Glenn Beck conspiracy theories did Fox News broadcast to its viewers? How many hours of transparently mindless Sean Hannity content is still broadcast daily? Why don’t Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy as they once did? In part because conservatism hasn’t grappled with the foreign-policy failures of George W. Bush. A conspiracy of silence surrounds the subject. Romney could neither run on the man’s record nor repudiate it.

The most damaging Romney gaffe of the campaign, where he talked about how the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income taxes are a lost cause for Republicans? Either he was unaware that many of those people are Republican voters, or was pandering to GOP donors who are misinformed. Either way, bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.”

The piece gets stronger from there, including language I’m not allowed to publish on this blog. If you’re a conservative seriously concerned about your movement’s future, I highly recommend it. Because if you don’t get this part right, you cannot get the rest of it right.

– Jay Bookman

546 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
12:39 pm

Because under the business model employed by the right-wing media at Fox News and elsewhere, it is more profitable to tell conservatives what they want to hear, not what they need to hear

The bubble is very profitable………lalalalalalalalalalallalalalalalallalalalalalalalalallalalalalalal….. Fox drowns out all others for the cons

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
12:41 pm

HANNITY LIED AND ROMNEY DIED!!!!!!!!! :)

hewhoasks

November 7th, 2012
12:42 pm

Betraying their audience is what they do. They are propagandists striving to persuade decent people that what they’re pushing is good for them, even though it is not..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
12:42 pm

But but but….the liberal MSM…. don’t let them burst the bubble with them skewed polls and rabbitholes

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
12:43 pm

“You haven’t just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven’t tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they’ve done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.”

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Rockerbabe

November 7th, 2012
12:44 pm

Well, at least my own distress about all of the Obama bashing from the left is somewhat relieved by the knowledge of the self-disillusion on the right. Wanting to win at all cost, even to the detriment of the vast majority of Americans is never a good sign of things to come. I have always disregarded Hannity, Boortz, Coulter, Faux News, etc and now I more clearly know why.

What America needs now, is for everyone to let go the petty party politics so we can solve our most pressing issues and get back to being the powerhouse we have come to believe about ourselves.

Logical Dude

November 7th, 2012
12:44 pm

quoting the quote: bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.

And still I hear “Can any liberal tell me anything that Obama has actually done?”

Sure, but you do you really want to pop that bubble that you’re in?

martin the calvinist

November 7th, 2012
12:45 pm

November 7th, 2012
12:07 pm

Random points on topic, 1. I disagree with Jay’s assessment that this was a statement election or mandate election, ABC and CBS both agree with me, both said this is a very divided country and that Obama has a lot to prove and a lot to do to win over almost 50% of this country who disagrees with his political ideology.

2. I have to concede the polls were right even though they were weighted 7-13 percent heavier Democrat, I’ll still argue that if the polls were weighted by that amount to the Republicans and had Romney favored, You’d say the polls were wrong too, at least before the election

3. You are going to have to prove to me that Big Gov’t with the Federal Gov’t expanding it’s intake of revenue will solve high unemployment, create equality in people’s treatment, in pay, ect….You are going to have to prove to me that we will be fiscally sound governmental wise and economic wise by gov’t increasing it’s role in the economic affairs of Americans.

4. I find it absurd that Liberals get angry over gov’t “restrictions” on who you can sleep with, who can get contraception, who can get married, who can have children, what religion you must follow, but are complete advocates of the Federal gov’t telling you to buy health insurance, and soon will be telling you how much energy you can use, and de facto telling you how much of your own money you earn you can keep. ie higher tax rates on the more income you earn.

Before you go nuts I’ll tell you even though I’m a devote believer, I don’t believe it’s the gov’ts job to tell you who you can or can’t marry, whether abortion should be done or not, whether you should or shouldn’t smoke cigarettes or pot, drink alcohol…not the gov’ts business until you hurt someone else, ie drink and drive….

but i surely am against the gov’t dictating economic behavior. if this election was a mandate for free markets and limited gov’t involvement, then I will say that most people want the gov’t to dictate economic behavior, they want gov’t to step in and solve every problem they have in life fiscally, they (if lower income) wants the gov’t to hand out grants to pay for college, give them money to buy food, give them rental assistance, guarantee them health care, guarantee retirement and let those “more fortunate” than others pay for it…

trying not to sound too sour grapy, I believe in God more than I believe in the goodness of man, I believe in Proverbs 21:1 and my faith will always be in the Lord, not in what man can do, because it falls short anyway….

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
12:45 pm

“HANNITY LIED AND ROMNEY DIED”

:lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
12:45 pm

In conservative fantasy-land, Richard Nixon was a champion of ideological conservatism, tax cuts are the only way to raise revenue, adding neoconservatives to a foreign-policy team reassures American voters, Benghazi was a winning campaign issue, Clint Eastwood’s convention speech was a brilliant triumph, and Obama’s America is a place where black kids can beat up white kids with impunity. Most conservative pundits know better than this nonsense — not that they speak up against it. They see criticizing their own side as a sign of disloyalty. I see a coalition that has lost all perspective, partly because there’s no cost to broadcasting or publishing inane [bullspit]. In fact, it’s often very profitable. A lot of cynical people have gotten rich broadcasting and publishing red meat for movement conservative consumption

The denials will continue on the right as long as profit can be made.

Steve

November 7th, 2012
12:48 pm

I posted over and over that Nate Silver’s predictions were dead on, and all the right wing “I believe Obama is a Muslim” naysayers were adamantly in opposition.

I was right. Every time.

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
12:48 pm

“Because under the business model employed by the right-wing media at Fox News and elsewhere, it is more profitable to tell conservatives what they want to hear, not what they need to hear”

Those conservatives want “red” meat.

Continue with the red meat all you want red stater’s, (its seems to be an aphrodisiac for a lot of them,) just don’t expect to win many national elections.

larry

November 7th, 2012
12:48 pm

The problem is with concervatives, you can tell them until you are blue in the face, but they have to make the decision to move off the Fox bandwagon.

Because unless viewership declines and the money stops rolling in, you can bet in four years that Fox will be spewing the same misinformation they are now.

And whomever the Democratic candidate for president will be, will win , maybe in a landslide.

Man behind the Curtain

November 7th, 2012
12:49 pm

WOW! That about sums it up

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
12:50 pm

Scout

If you are looking in, what # post is this in regards to Jay’s quest to elect Obama or whatever you were calling it?

:-)

Steve

November 7th, 2012
12:51 pm

Democrats have now won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections.
President Barack Obama is the first Democrat to get reelected with an absolute majority of the popular vote since FDR.

George W. Bush won’t 40 percent of the Latino vote in 2004. John McCain won 31 percent of it. Mitt Romney won 21 percent. The trend is unmistakable.
13 percent of the vote was African American, 10 percent was Latino, 3 percent was Asian. In 2008, it was 13 African American, 9 percent Latino, 2 percent Asian. Whites went from 74 to 72 percent of the vote. They’ll be under 70 percent in 2016.

Pollsters assumed that non-whites would stay home last night. They didn’t. But they’re still not voting at their percentages of the overall population. Democrats need to keep registering those voters and getting them politically engaged. It’s already exceedingly difficult for Republicans to win the White House without non-white, heavily male vote. It will be virtually impossible

Every top elected office in New Hampshire is held by women—the governor’s office, two U.S. Senate seats, and both House seats.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
12:51 pm

” I find it absurd that Liberals get angry over gov’t “restrictions” on who you can sleep with, who can get contraception, who can get married, who can have children, what religion you must follow, but are complete advocates of the Federal gov’t telling you to buy health insurance, and soon will be telling you how much energy you can use, and de facto telling you how much of your own money you earn you can keep. ie higher tax rates on the more income you earn.”

in reverse order … progressive tax rates are nothing new. personally, I’m for a flat tax with no deductions, but I’m nutty that way.

how much energy we can use?? really?? do tell.

force us to purchase health insurance – considering I have to buy car insurance, I really don’t have a problem with it. Frankly, I prefer a single-payer, but we compromised to try to get you guys on board. Silly of us, I know.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

November 7th, 2012
12:51 pm

So you think any of the deluded conservatives would be worrying about Democrats if the Democrats were falling all over themselves to deny reality and kept losing big elections? Or would they stomp on Democrats harder and manipulate things to enforce their continued power?

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
12:51 pm

Fred,

Nathan s “double secret commission”. Good grief. Future govs both r and d will also be answerable to so your point is without merit.

Secondly bringing up one charter school crook is just plain asinine. Do you have any idea how many people have ripped off or wasted money in the public system? What an idiotic point. For profit universities? As if public ones don’t waste resources or have students default on student loans.

And enough of your standard bullshyte about listening to talk radio. We hear that stupid crap from you every day. SSDD. You’re guilty of the exact same BS you accuse cons of. Jay writes something and you take it as the holy grail of truth. Talk about brainwashing. Start using your own mind and doing some research as opposed to regurgitating kook gobbledegook.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
12:52 pm

Democrats have permanently won the Hispanic vote by advocating for Amnesty

That extreme position will not be reconcilable with Republican views

So Democrats are destined to win a lot (all) of elections going forward

The introspection will be a waste of time

Democrats have Republicans cornered

Intown

November 7th, 2012
12:53 pm

Having watched this entire election cycle from the detached perspective of data driven polling websites, I 100% agree with EVERYTHING in this column today. The Conservatives just love to drink their own Kool-Aid rather than think critically. And it is killing them. The nation would be better served by two (or more) rational parties that conduct business upon good objective information, not just one.

Steve

November 7th, 2012
12:53 pm

Why are conservatives just so flat out wrong about so many things (like predicting this election), and so stubborn with their views? How many times do progressives have to be right about something before the rest of the brainless public gets it?

Man behind the Curtain

November 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

Love Stewart’s take that Romney had won the old confederacy.

Bill Campbell

November 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

Come on Jay! This is some the biggest crap you have ever written! Liberals are the biggest liars ! The only reason Obama won is because of all the folks who won’t work and want Obama to take care of them from birth to the grave!

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
12:55 pm

In all fairness to Fox News, if not for them, where else could I get coverage of Benghazi 24/7? :)

Mick

November 7th, 2012
12:55 pm

Yes, jeep going to china was the straw that broke the camels back…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
12:55 pm

Conservatives need to figure out where the bad information is coming from and cut it off. And I think that source is going to be found in Fox News and the likes of Hannity et al.

Butch Cassidy (I)

November 7th, 2012
12:56 pm

Bill Campbell – “The only reason Obama won is because of all the folks who won’t work and want Obama to take care of them from birth to the grave!”

Yes, and those 303 EC votes didn’t hurt either.

Paul

November 7th, 2012
12:56 pm

There it is again.

Money and power.

It always seems to get down to money and power.

Dang.

And now, a moment of silent sympathy for the fleeced suckers…..

Steve

November 7th, 2012
12:56 pm

Two words – Medicare Vouchers.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
12:56 pm

Since Democrats will pander to issues focused on individual ethnic and demographic groups, any party not willing to play that game will be at an inherent disadvantage

Democrats have chopped up and pandered to various segments of America

We are now the weaker for it

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
12:56 pm

“Democrats have permanently won the Hispanic vote by advocating for Amnesty”

:lol: see? there’s the difference between Dems and the GOP … Dems don’t believe we’ve ever “permanently won” anything – we work to earn their votes every year.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
12:58 pm

Jay

I disagree with you on your title’s premise. They sold what most of their constituency wanted to buy. Their audience “failed” themselves. I listen to some right leaning radio, so I hear their diatribes.

Gender gap did not exist: really?

Repub ground game had caught up and maybe passed Obama’s: really?

Polls were sampling was incorrect and this would show on election day: really?

The left was still defeated after 2010 and the right was enthused more than ever: really?

It goes on and on. That crap is sold on talk radio and right leaning websites 24/7.

It is sold because it is being ate up like no tomorrow.

michael

November 7th, 2012
12:58 pm

Martin, yes it is still a divided Country, but if the Repulicans do not compromise they will continue to be seen as the Party of “no.” If they step out of line they are forced to apologize to Limbaugh or to Fox. As long as that is the case they will never be a diverse party.

Steve

November 7th, 2012
12:59 pm

Daedalus

November 7th, 2012
12:59 pm

Sure, the GOP can deny reality that’s old news — but what matters now is that the BCS system must recognize the inevitable: Alabama v Oregon for the Natty.

Go Ducks!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
12:59 pm

Glad you are trying to help these conservatives get help. An informed , honest Republican party can only make America stronger.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
12:59 pm

Jm

You mean like the Spanish speaking ads that Romney ran?

Jm

November 7th, 2012
1:00 pm

“Dems don’t believe we’ve ever “permanently won” anything – we work to earn their votes every year.”

Pure BS. Prior to Obama, Democrats hadn’t done a darn thing to help black folks post LBJ.

Steve

November 7th, 2012
1:00 pm

Romney was the older white man’s last Confederate Bugle Call. Look at the map of the states that went for the old white man – pretty much the Old South.

Folks, it’s time for you in the South to join the rest of us in the 21st Century, or become obsolete.

(note that these same red states take in more money for entitlements than they pay out).

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
1:00 pm

“Bitter, Jm?”

It isn’t that obvious is it?

larry

November 7th, 2012
1:01 pm

I imagine Carl Rove is going to have a lot of explaining to do.

Steve

November 7th, 2012
1:02 pm

So for those of you, and there were many, who denied Nate Silver’s poll analysis…

he was nearly 100% accurate for every state and the national results.

Ahem

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
1:04 pm

“Pure BS. Prior to Obama, Democrats hadn’t done a darn thing to help black folks post LBJ.”

:lol:

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. that’s why they vote for the GOP by the droves. particularly during the Clinton era.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
1:04 pm

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, “What went wrong?”, they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: “Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?”

That’s classic.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
1:04 pm

Democrats have chopped up and pandered to various segments of America

And by “pandered” he means “not telling those dumb minorities what’s good for them.”

Those mean libs should have more sympathy for the White Man’s burden.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
1:05 pm

“he was nearly 100% accurate for every state and the national results.”

49 for 50 in 2008

50 for 50 in 2012

Nate rocks.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
1:05 pm

Jay

All one has to do his read the drudge headlines (most screw the articles presented) and some of the links that get posted on this blog each day to prove 12:58.

Extrapolate that too many, not all, on the right and it is not hard to see that they let themselves down by taking in all that opinion as if it were facts.

Marc

November 7th, 2012
1:06 pm

Jay that’s BS and you’re a perfect example. You and the rest of the liberal Obama cultist failed the US. Worse you failed 4 men in Benghazi with you cover up of Obama. You failed the US because you failed to scrutinze Obama with the same fervor as any of his opponents! You squawk about Romney’s tax returns but we have yet to see Obama’s college transcripts and you let this slide.
Obama campaigns on transparency and that the Obamacare meetings would be on CSPAN but NONE were. The list could go on but there isn’t enough room here to post it.

DannyX

November 7th, 2012
1:06 pm

“Democrats have permanently won the Hispanic vote by advocating for Amnesty”

Reagan gave amnesty to millions. Rubio today said we need a Dream Act.

George W. won 40% of the Latino vote in 2004, McCain won 31%, Mitt Romney won 21%.

Why is that Jm? That trend is going down because Latino’s know they have become part of the “red” meat conservatives now have a taste for. “Self Deport”?????

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
1:07 pm

Thulsa Doom

November 7th, 2012
12:51 pm

Fred,

Nathan s “double secret commission”. Good grief. Future govs both r and d will also be answerable to so your point is without merit.

Secondly bringing up one charter school crook is just plain asinine. Do you have any idea how many people have ripped off or wasted money in the public system? What an idiotic point. For profit universities? As if public ones don’t waste resources or have students default on student loans.

And enough of your standard bullshyte about listening to talk radio. We hear that stupid crap from you every day. SSDD. You’re guilty of the exact same BS you accuse cons of. Jay writes something and you take it as the holy grail of truth. Talk about brainwashing. Start using your own mind and doing some research as opposed to regurgitating kook gobbledegook.
+++++++++++++++++++++

I gave you several examples Doomy, not one. Examples from every part of this Country, Philadelphia, Florida, California.

As to for profit Universities? I’m an expert in that field of scams pal. I know both sides of that coin and personally know some of the scammsters. Don’t EVEN try your BS lies to me on that scam.

Once again you haven’t a F’ing clue as to what you are talking about. You are spouting BS party lines without an ounce of understanding. WHy I ever gave you credit for thought I don;t know but you have made it perfectly obvious that you are one of the ingonant voters who applaud Nathan Deal for his thievery. Like I said in the last thread, you WANT him to steal. He’s the White Republicans answer to ‘The Bishop” Eddie Long or Creflo Dollar.

Since you have no facts to argue and no clue even what the conversation is about, you just want to talk juvenile crap, I’m done with you. The “dog effect’ didn’t last very long……..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
1:08 pm

Democrats have chopped up and pandered to various segments of America

This from the GOP which has depended and pandered on increasing an older white male conservative christian religious segment, albeit a single segment, rather than embracing all Americans. :roll:

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
1:08 pm

HANNITY LIED AND ROMNEY DIED!

This will never not be funny.

Jay

November 7th, 2012
1:09 pm

Marc, rather than refute my point, you’ve confirmed it.

I’m sure you disagree of course. But still…

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
1:09 pm

Bill Campbell

November 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

Come on Jay! This is some the biggest crap you have ever written! Liberals are the biggest liars ! The only reason Obama won is because of all the folks who won’t work and want Obama to take care of them from birth to the grave!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You keep telling yourself that lie pal. It will make you feel better about yourself for your ridiculous , FAILED, ideas and beliefs.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
1:09 pm

that article feels eerily like trying to help a loved one with a serious addiction.

Jeffrey

November 7th, 2012
1:09 pm

If it wasn’t for George w bush and his expansion of govt and deficit spending it would be really hard to tell who the hypocrites are.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
1:10 pm

Jay, I agree that many Republicans/conservatives choose their information to what suits them, it’s hardly a one party problem.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/03/blue-truth-red-truth/

It’s an interesting read, whatever your party affiliation.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 7th, 2012
1:11 pm

“Pure BS. Prior to Obama, Democrats hadn’t done a darn thing to help black folks post LBJ”

and what ARE some of the things that were done?
ensuring that poor areas weren’t left behind in regards to broadband
ensuring that poor people have access to health care
ensuring that school breakfast / lunch programs are funded
head start

that’s just a few off the top of my head.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
1:12 pm

Democrats have chopped up and pandered to various segments of America

What’s wrong with that? Those people aren’t Americans? When Obama bailed out the auto industrry, was it a politically savvy move? Hell yes it was. It’s always a politically savvy move to help Americans!

Darwin

November 7th, 2012
1:13 pm

Jay – I’m sorry but you will get no introspection by the Republicans here. Their message is that Obama won by pandering to minorities and that liberal hypocrisy abounds. I for one don’t plan on wasting my time trying to get the right wing to understand that their message does not carry outside of a narrowly defined group of people or region. There is no diversity in Republican circles and there are no plans to have it in the near future. For today, Republicans simply feel that they didn’t win the election. But they will never concede defeat regarding their views.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
1:13 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 7th, 2012
1:14 pm

Pure BS. Prior to Obama, Democrats hadn’t done a darn thing to help black folks post LBJ

Obamaphones? :lol: :lol:

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
1:14 pm

Democrats have permanently won the Hispanic vote by advocating for Amnesty

That extreme position will not be reconcilable with Republican views

Bullsh*t!!! When you candidate for president supports self-deportation, you’re not gonna get the vote. The GOP had 6 years under Bush to deal with immigration reform, but they did no such thing. They actually castigated Bush for even suggesting it. Don’t make up sh*t about amnesty when Reagan is the most recent amnesty granter. It only makes you look more delusional than normal.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
1:14 pm

Fred @ 1:07

Took me awhile as well, but finally figured it out.

:-)

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
1:15 pm

I find it absurd that Liberals get angry over gov’t “restrictions” on who you can sleep with, who can get contraception, who can get married, who can have children, what religion you must follow, but are complete advocates of the Federal gov’t telling you to buy health insurance

ok, Calvinist, take a deep breath and think about what you just posted there.

You know for a fact, don’t you, that going the insurance mandate route is absolutely NOT what Liberals supported during the legislative battle for the PPACA? That we wanted a single payer insurance program, aka “Medicare for all”, and were willing to accept as a fall back a strong public option to compete directly with the private insurance industry?

You know, don’t you, that Obama ran against Hillary on this issue but had to backpedal because he couldn’t get the ####ing Blue Dogs to go along with him?

And if by some reason you DON’T know this, ask yourself: Why?

is it, perhaps, because I get my “news” from an inbred echo chamber?

well is it?

if so, then you have to acknowledge that this Atlantic opinion guy, and Jay, are correct.

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
1:15 pm

Jay: You are SO right in this piece. We can see it here. Instead of regrouping, trying to learn and find better ways, the Far right wing nutcases on this blog and doubling and tripling down on the stupid. They just keep repeating the same lies over and over again like that’s going to somehow make last night go away and they’ll awake anew in a Never Never Fantasy Land where the “liberal boogeyman” has disappeared and all their failed ideas work………

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
1:16 pm

flagboy @ 1:10

While I did respond to Jay in regards to the article, you are correct. Many on the left do the same exact thing

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
1:16 pm

Because under the business model employed by the right-wing media at Fox News and elsewhere, it is more profitable to tell conservatives what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.

Profits before prophets.

Christian Coalition Kills Republican Party

November 7th, 2012
1:17 pm

The Republicans keep shooting themselves in the foot when they preach a social conservative agenda that much of the populous does not just dislike but hate with a rabid passion. Until the Republican party wakes up to smell that much of this country is now socially liberal or other wise wants the government out of our personal lives, they will continue to let the financially inept Democrats rule the government. So, Republican leadership, would you rather permit abortions and gay marriage or have the country go bankrupt? The choice is yours.

willie lynch

November 7th, 2012
1:18 pm

What appeared to be a strength of conservatives (their ability to stay on message) was in the end their biggest weakness. Their message was empty and held no intellectual content. They could go on show after show and say, “It’s the uncertainty” and “leading from behind” and “Divider in Chief”, but all of this nonsense was rejected by the majority of the voting populace as more mumbo jumbo created to distract.

I think it’s time for the “leaders” on the right to be called on the carpet. They need to be held responsible for their obstruction and stonewalling. The President has always shown his willingness to work with Republicans but when you’ve said you wanted to make this guy a one term President who’s limiting the possibility for dialog and compromise?

In my opinion the past 4 years has seen the Republican party devolve into the mindset of a paranoid schizophrenic in need of long term help.

They say the first step to a solution is acknowledging you have a problem. All together now Repub’s …..”My name is —— and I’m…..

Fred ™

November 7th, 2012
1:19 pm

Until the Republican party wakes up to smell that much of this country is now socially liberal or other wise wants the government out of our personal lives, they will continue to let the financially inept Democrats rule the government. So, Republican leadership, would you rather permit abortions and gay marriage or have the country go bankrupt? The choice is yours.

Can we get an AMEN?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
1:19 pm

The “dog effect’ didn’t last very long……..

Heh, heh, heh.

Classic Fredism.

arnold

November 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

Fox News: We Deceive; You Believe!!!

getalife

November 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

Saw noonan on fox and she was very uncomfortable after predicting a romney win.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

USinUk. . . something in the other blog about contracts for teachers. I can’t say i’m 100% certain about it though.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
1:21 pm

well sir, Rush is not betraying me, hahahahaha

that babbling fat pig is the BEST whining, crying wahwah I have
heard in years. It is music to my ears. He must have thrown
back an armload of the goofballs today. It is truly epic.

Mick

November 7th, 2012
1:21 pm

**It only makes you look more delusional than normal.**

I kinda think normal is pretty reasonable myself… :lol:

jconservative

November 7th, 2012
1:22 pm

“I have to concede the polls were right even though they were weighted 7-13 percent heavier Democrat,”

Actually the polls under “weighted” Democratic strength. The youth vote was larger than 2008. The Latino vote was larger than 2008. The black vote was larger. None of the pollsters, as it turned out, had a clue as to what the Obama campaign people had organized for this election.

Jm

November 7th, 2012
1:23 pm

Finn

It’s cool to help Americans irrespective of race gender etc

It’s not cool to help them simply based on race ethnicity etc

IMO

Obviously others disagree

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
1:23 pm

I kinda think normal is pretty reasonable myself…

He just needs to stay away from ladders around the xmas holidays.

flagboy?

November 7th, 2012
1:23 pm

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
12:58 pm

Jay

I disagree with you on your title’s premise. They sold what most of their constituency wanted to buy. Their audience “failed” themselves. I listen to some right leaning radio, so I hear their diatribes. . . .

It is sold because it is being ate up like no tomorrow.
___________________________

I agree with you. There is a line in that article about how we no longer look for information to make decisions, but rather to affirm our already established beliefs.

It’s only getting worse.

stands for decibels

November 7th, 2012
1:23 pm

that’s just a few off the top of my head.

Let’s add something that had been passed by Pelosi’s Congress but vetoed by Bush: Expanding SCHIP to include more working-class families.

St Simons

November 7th, 2012
1:24 pm

Fred, tune in to 750 up there, dude. Its off the chain,
as my daughters say

MANGLER

November 7th, 2012
1:26 pm

Daedalus, I love my Ducks!

Christian Coalition Kills Republican Party

November 7th, 2012
1:27 pm

Willie Lynch, the reality is that the Republicans have gotten more radical as the Democrats have gotten more unwilling to fix the massive problems facing our country so they have decided that it is preferred to block than to let the Democrats bankrupt this country but since the Democrats get 4 more years, we will likely get some movement eventually but i would guess much of the same for some time. Our financial problems have
been going on since Bush I with the 2001 Tax Act, a temporary 10 year tax act to spend money like a drunken sailor for 10 years with the belief that all would be solved during the subsequent 10 years, but lo and behold, no deals done and we got the second worst tax act, the 2010 Tax Act, which spent about $800 Billion to push the can down the road for 2 more years. One can only get excited by all the money about to be spent to push it down the road for the next 4 years, which is likely to take place in 1 or 2 year increments. Oh joy!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

November 7th, 2012
1:27 pm

Got about half way through the posts when it became obvious that the conservatives could give a rats hind end about conservative media failing them so badly.

They just don’t give a crap.

How can so many be so proud of being so gullible?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 7th, 2012
1:28 pm

M. Calvinist — “2. I have to concede the polls were right even though they were weighted 7-13 percent heavier Democrat, I’ll still argue that if the polls were weighted by that amount to the Republicans and had Romney favored, You’d say the polls were wrong too, at least before the election.”

No, I wouldn’t, but that’s because I know how polling and statistics work. You clearly don’t, because you fell for that stupid ‘weighting’ bullspit.

Every time a con tried to bring up ‘weighting’ during the campaign, it was a flag to me that I was dealing with either a liar, or else someone who didn’t understand how stats and polling worked. And usually, it was both at the same time.

Brosephus™

November 7th, 2012
1:28 pm

Regnad Kcin

November 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

“None of the pollsters, as it turned out, had a clue as to what the Obama campaign people had organized for this election.”

Nate Silver – dead-on accurate. Check out the blog. Every state correct. He had Florida at a 50.3% chance of an Obama win.

larry

November 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

well sir, Rush is not betraying me, hahahahaha

well sir, Rush has never betrayed me………….

This Rush that is…………..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8nOjru9w0o

Truth Squad

November 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

It wasn’t just the so-called “conservative media” that played the game. It would be hard to find a media outlet that didn’t tell people that the race was “neck-and-neck”.

If people paid attention to sites such as Nate Silvers’ and others like his, then they would have seen that at no time was President Obama not leading or in any real jeopardy of losing. I think we can easily make the case that there is a ton of money to be made from elections and if the truth about President Obama’s chances had been told, that media outlets would have lost money many cannot afford to lose.

JIMBOB

November 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

Fox is barely any different than CNN. It lies for US policy too, and agrees with CNN on what constitutes ‘liberal’ ideology and what constitutes ‘conservative’ ideology. Jay (and all similar shills for US policy) must emphatically prop up the lie that FOX is some sort of alternative/anti government information source.

Sewer Rat Democrats

November 7th, 2012
1:32 pm

Well, when you start your campaign in the gutter lying about Romney’s taxes and progress to the sewer calling him a murder and the tell me that I didn’t build the business that now employs 410 people, I know you haven’t done anything positive and have to depend on the moron vote…..Black folks, illegal immigrants and too broke teenagers…..Wait until this punk President admits that he have “evolved” into a Muslim…And you’ll look surprised….And now this azzwhole President praises Romney….What a POS this shuck and jive President is .

lynnie gal

November 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

Anybody with half a brain could have seen this electoral spanking coming. Fox News’ Tourette’s syndrome flared again in the last weeks–Benghazi! Benghazi!– as two great American states, NY and NJ suffered a horrific natural disaster. And Romney refused to answer any questions about whether he’d cut FEMA for days after, until at last he caved and his press secretary typed up a little memo. Romney never released the tax forms expected of a presidential candidate, and FOX would never ask such a thing from a millionaire. Heavens, no! Romney thought he could lie in TV ads bought with billionaire’s money and win the election that way. Look how he doubled down on his Jeep lie even when he was caught. Romney deserved to lose–and lose badly. But, he was the most electable of all the other fools in the Republican primary. That, I can give him.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

Christie lashes out at ‘know-nothing disgruntled Romney staffers’…

drudgey spam.

Dixie Chicks

November 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

Where is George W. Bush? I wonder how he feels about the election outcome?

lynnie gal

November 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

Anybody with half a brain could have seen this electoral spanking coming. Fox News’ Tourette’s syndrome flared again in the last weeks–Benghazi! Benghazi!– as two great American states, NY and NJ suffered a horrific natural disaster. And Romney refused to answer any questions about whether he’d cut FEMA for days after, until at last he caved and his press secretary typed up a little memo. Romney never released the tax forms expected of a presidential candidate, and FOX would never ask such a thing from a millionaire. Heavens, no! Romney thought he could lie in TV ads bought with billionaire’s money and win the election that way. Look how he doubled down on his Jeep lie even when he was caught. Romney deserved to lose–and lose badly. But, he was the most electable of all the other fools in the Republican primary. That, I can give him.

bill arp

November 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

cold hard facts..
-Gas prices are double what they were 4 years ago, and will probably keep rising. This helps the middle class.
-Grocery prices are higher. This also helps the middle class.
-Employers are cutting wages. Also helps.
-More people on food stamps and un-employment.
-Higher taxes on the rich folks, who do all the hiring. Really helps the middle class.

Obama is good for this country. plain and simple. free stuff, it’s the American way…well, it is now.

Intown

November 7th, 2012
1:35 pm

South to rest of Nation: Take a lesson from this election. Nah. We’d rather double down on hatred, stupid nativism and self-defeating Ayn Rand bullcrap.