Boehner: ‘We’re willing to accept new revenue’
It’s a long, torturous road from word to deed, but this could be huge …
“Republicans are “willing to accept new revenue” to tame the soaring national debt and avert an ugly battle over the approaching “fiscal cliff,” House Speaker John A. Boehner said Wednesday in a speech that offered a potential path to compromise in year-end budget negotiations.
With President Obama reelected and Republicans returned to a slightly smaller majority in the House, Boehner (R-Ohio) said Tuesday’s election amounted to a plea from voters for the parties to lay down their weapons of the past two years and “do what’s best for our country.”
“That is the will of the people. And we answer to them,” Boehner said, according to advance excerpts of a speech he planned to deliver at an afternoon news conference at the Capitol. “For purposes of forging a bipartisan agreement that begins to solve the problem, we’re willing to accept new revenue, under the right conditions.”
We’ll see what Eric Cantor, Tom Price and Paul Ryan, among other GOP House members, have to say about this. Boehner also repeated his opposition to raising revenue by increasing tax rates, suggesting that he would accept doing so by altering the tax code. But the ice might be breaking.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
9:17 pm
“how unfair this country has been to Black Americans throughout our history”
Truth hurts sometimes.
Travis McGee
November 7th, 2012
9:17 pm
@Recon: Who’ll be sitting in the freakin’ Oval Office for the next four years? If Bill Clinton had been President this obstructionist BS would have given way to his uncanny use of Presidential power. They would have folded like a Walmart suit!
I’m hoping the POTUS will try to work with the Republicans, but if they resist I hope he brings to bear every ounce of Presidential power he has at his disposal.
The situation is dire and action must be taken. The time is long past for this partisan bullshoot to give way to rational governance!
RF
November 7th, 2012
9:20 pm
“I’m gonna save that one for “the talk” with my kids”
I spend my day with teenagers….trust me, have the full detail talk and have it OFTEN. Mine at home get tired of hearing it, but like I tell them “if you ask if we have to have this talk AGAIN, then I know you’ve been listening.”
godless heathen
November 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
9:13 pm
Obama Won!
Dance, TaxPayer,
You get to contribute more, more, more.
http://youtu.be/ZBR2G-iI3-I
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
Brosephus,
Just don’t have that A/B talk with the little ones at an IKEA. No telling what you’ll end up grandparenting
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
Recon, I personally like the Bro man, but his name was originally “Angry Black Man” , so, whatever…
RF
November 7th, 2012
9:22 pm
“rational governance”
Travis: say that too much and the neocons all get pale, start shaking, and run off slapping themselves on the side of the head and yelling “NOOOOOOOO!!!”
Recon 0311 2533
November 7th, 2012
9:23 pm
TBS, as usual you’re jumping to presumptions. I didn’t say that I disrespected brosephus. I don’t know him personally so I obviously couldn’t say that I respect or disrespect him as a person, but I can say that I don’t respect many of his posts, which I think are racial.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
To Pelosi,
may she grab the hammer again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr9zvX-BdYo
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
Recon
you sure talk about being a great law enforcement guy in the TSA a helluva lot more than I’ve ever discussed my military service.
Look at your screen name and then look at mine. One is about military service and the other one has nothing to do with my job at all. I haven’t worked for TSA since 2005 either, nor do I really talk much about it unless someone asks questions.
History is what history is. Only those who don’t learn from it are doomed to repeat it. So, if it bothers you that I discuss the historical treatment of Blacks, then oh well. We can’t change the past. We can only use the past to learn what to do in the future. I tend to discuss history of lots of things as the field of American history is one of my many interests. Unlike you and many like you, I have no problem with discussing the history of this country, and I don’t get uncomfortable about doing so.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
his name was originally “Angry Black Man”
That’s just because he’s a crazed liberal. …or so I read back upthread
godless heathen
November 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
Insert tab A into slot B.
And the result is another Obama voter.
Real Athens
November 7th, 2012
9:25 pm
“the dow down -> 312 points !!
What a pitiful human.
… and first thing tomorrow I make the maximum 2012 contribution to my IRA, idiot.
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
9:25 pm
“but his name was originally “Angry Black Man” , so, whatever…”
Interesting how many conservatives are willing to come here and prove my assertion they have no sense of humor
RF
November 7th, 2012
9:25 pm
Well kids, I stayed up WAY too late last night celebratin’, so I gotta get some sleep. Tired cranky Teacher Man is NOT a welcome sight in the school building. At least now I can relax and sleep knowing the country has avoided the nosedive into the abyss of angry Tea Party Land.
lefty_316
November 7th, 2012
9:27 pm
It’s going to take both new revenue and spending cuts to make substantial progress on the debt.
Today Obama floated the idea of a carbon emission tax. In other words power companies will pass on increased costs and once again screw the middle class. Obama could have gone after the hedge fund guys, close their tax loopholes. But he went to Wall Street and raised big bucks there so, like almost everybody in Washington, he is owned by the Street. Ergo lies one of the fundamental problems in this country.
On the other hand when Boy-George Bush took office our defense spending was around $300 billion a year. Now it’s $600. Time to take out the hatchet, time to quit feeding the defense contractors. A 20% cut would still leave us with more than strong enough.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:27 pm
RW
Ok. Didn’t think about Ikea, so we’ll have the talk at home away from the garage (power tools).
That’s just because he’s a crazed liberal. …or so I read back upthread
I’m waiting on my mouth foaming kit to come in. They were on back order at QVC.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
9:29 pm
Brosephus,
Don’t wait for QVC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKoB0MHVBvM
Doggone/GA
November 7th, 2012
9:32 pm
Been a long day…I’m out for the night.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
9:33 pm
“Interesting how many conservatives are willing to come here and prove my assertion they have no sense of humor”
lol
yeah, Doggone, fact be funny.
And on a serious note, sorry about what you had to do. It’s never easy, whatever the circumstance.
Recon 0311 2533
November 7th, 2012
9:33 pm
” Unlike you and many like you, I have no problem with discussing the history of this country, and I don’t get uncomfortable about doing so.”
Sure you do as long as you think it supports your views. I just don’t agree with your historical views much less where your opinions come from today.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:34 pm
RW
That one’s cool, and of course, it’s bookmarked. I’ve also added diet coke and mentos to the shopping list.
godless heathen
November 7th, 2012
9:37 pm
Today Obama floated the idea of a carbon emission tax. In other words power companies will pass on increased costs and once again screw the middle class. Obama could have gone after the hedge fund guys, close their tax loopholes. But he went to Wall Street and raised big bucks there so, like almost everybody in Washington, he is owned by the Street. Ergo lies one of the fundamental problems in this country.
word
Recon 0311 2533
November 7th, 2012
9:37 pm
moonbat, I don’t dislike Brosephus, I just don’t agree with his political views particularly on race. It seems that he try’s to set himself above and I have too many scars on my back to accept his bull shyte. Others can do so if they choose.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:38 pm
Sure you do as long as you think it supports your views. I just don’t agree with your historical views much less where your opinions come from today.
I’ve never once asked you or anybody else on this blog to agree with my views or opinions. I state mine just as you state yours. One thing I can do that some here can not is, I can prove evidence to support my views. As to history, my views are formed based on studying history. Anything I post or say will sound like it something supporting my view because that’s the information I used to form my view. I like to study and research things before I form my opinions. I don’t do the opinions first and then find supporting information later thing that some people do.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:39 pm
godless @ 9:37
That’s one of the reasons I didn’t vote for him.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 7th, 2012
9:39 pm
May Levy Carbon Tax to Cut U.S. Deficit…
drudgey spam.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
9:43 pm
Why do I get the feeling I missed something by skipping ahead to page 5 after an early scan?
That was rhetorical of course and I ain’t goin’ back…
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I suppose everybody is politicked out but it sure would be nice if the winners and the losers would take a few days for sober reflection on what the electorate really said, but I guess we’re hopelessly stuck in this cycle where we have politicians and their media lapdogs writing a thousand stories today expecting us to believe they have all the answers before they pick the 2016 field tomorrow.
I think Brosephus and I should book a flight to Iowa and get started. We may not fix all the problems but we’d sure as hell shake up the status quo.
lefty_316
November 7th, 2012
9:47 pm
Bloomberg reported on the possiblity of a carbon tax about 2 o’clock this afternoon. Don’t know about Drudge, don’t follow him, have never visited his site.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
9:50 pm
I agree.
Bro/Recon: Give each other a HUG!
or just shake hands.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 7th, 2012
9:50 pm
Convert
Do you have one in a size 6?
Granny, you ain’t wore a size 6 since you left 1st grade.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:50 pm
it sure would be nice if the winners and the losers would take a few days for sober reflection on what the electorate really said
That would be nice, but my first question would be if the electorate really know what they said? I see a conflicting message. Either that, or this country is seriously into S&M type torture.
I’d be honored to take a trip with you to Iowa to shake things up.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
9:53 pm
I don’t do the opinions first and then find supporting information later thing that some people do
Dude I saw a comment on a conservative site today, and I can’t stress enough that it was just a comment like these we’re posting, but the guy was convinced that the vote totals had never really been counted, they just reported whatever would match the polling data going into the election.
You can charge me with being a disappointed conservative and I’ll plead guilty as charged but good Lord some people need to get a grip on reality.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:54 pm
betty
I’m cool. I’m also tickled that you remembered that screen name. It’s funny how our tv and movie images makes impressions all around the world. Sometimes, the mere thought of dealing with the ABM is more than enough to diffuse difficult situations at work.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
9:56 pm
the guy was convinced that the vote totals had never really been counted, they just reported whatever would match the polling data going into the election.
Wow… That’s definitely a face palm moment there.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 7th, 2012
9:56 pm
Anybody hear anything about G Mare? She was suppose to have her surgery Monday.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
9:58 pm
I’d be honored to take a trip with you to Iowa to shake things up.
Don’t go all TNTNBP Party on me, we only get to start in Iowa and I may have to do New Hampshire on my own since I speak Yankee. You can handle South Carolina and we’ll reconvene if Florida.
That would be nice, but my first question would be if the electorate really know what they said?
That’s true and our territories didn’t do much better. Puerto Rico voted that they’d like to be a state and threw out the Governor that was pushing for statehood.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
10:00 pm
Bro, lol.
It’s tough for me when I see good folks like you and Recon go for throats…
but Redneck Converts:
“Granny, you ain’t wore a size 6 since you left 1st grade.”
.
You are going to hell Liberal Redneck!
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
10:01 pm
“ll keep it clean by saying that you don’t have my respect or from the very many like me.”
My bad. Must have been a misinterpretation.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
10:03 pm
Redneck Convert (Liberal ahole), if all went as planned at NorthSide, Forsyth Co. hospital, she done died.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
10:08 pm
Oh my God! That guy might be right, it appears Cartman has stolen the election
Jm
November 7th, 2012
10:10 pm
Obama queuing up the tax increases….
getalife
November 7th, 2012
10:11 pm
The gop civil war is back on and rove is catching hell.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
10:13 pm
Puerto Rico voted that they’d like to be a state and threw out the Governor that was pushing for statehood.
That one made me do a double facepalm earlier today. That one was very strange. I have a few friends down there that I’ll have to call to see what’s really going on. I might try to sneak that trip to New Hampshire with you since that and Vermont are the only two New England states that I haven’t visited yet.
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betty
No need to worry here. I’m not here in search of fights or attacks. At the same time, I’m not gonna roll over for a belly rub like Obama does when somebody comes at me wrong. That’s just not how I function.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
10:13 pm
India’s gonna git a lot of calls about their Turbo Taxes rising!
Recon 0311 2533
November 7th, 2012
10:16 pm
TBS, you sure do pick and choose what can make a case for a guy such as yourself who stands on the side lines of an argument without the balls to take charge of your own. Do you need to get someone to do your effing for you. Damn, I once had a range coach who preached that your first sight picture is your best sight picture…I’ve locked in and missed your easy target too often. No more.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
10:16 pm
India’s gonna git a lot of calls about their Turbo Taxes rising!
as they did in ‘08.
go figure..
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
10:19 pm
Recon
You Effie cry baby. Get over yesterday and yourself.
I said I misinterpreted. Apparently I didn’t.
They BOTH suck
November 7th, 2012
10:20 pm
effn
you get the point
sour grapes and sour loser
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
10:20 pm
If anyone could be honest here, I would like to see who will pay smaller taxes in the 40-95K households?
You know, the “upper” class…
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
10:21 pm
Brosephus,
I used to have Puerto Rico as part of my responsibility in an earlier life. The guys I worked with spoke English until about two hours after the sun went down and then my high school Spanish couldn’t catch up. You can ask your friends about that language thing too, but I suspect rum had something to do with it.
There was a place in San Juan called the Black Angus which I thought was probably a steakhouse when they said they were taking me. Turned out to be something a little different.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
10:27 pm
I would like to see who will pay smaller taxes in the 40-95K households?
Not for this year, but I will for 2013 thanks to the little tax deduction that’s due in March.
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RW
I had not heard that name before, but Yahoo knows the Black Angus pretty well. I got lucky when I went down there because I wasn’t there long enough to get in trouble. I’ll have to ask them about the Spanish thing, but I’m sure you’re on the right track. It was like that at one of my training courses with all the Spanish speakers whether they were on the Southern Border or from PR.
lefty_316
November 7th, 2012
10:29 pm
If you are really interested in how Washington works (or doesn’t work) check out a book by Mike Lofgren called “The Party is Over.” Lofgren was a GOP policy wonk for 28 years who recently retired. This book is definitely worth your time.
I’m not going to review the book, there are plenty of well written reviews on Amazon. But I will say while the Dems get trashed a bit, Lofgren absolutely eviscerates the GOP, and rightly so.
Recon 0311 2533
November 7th, 2012
10:30 pm
RW,
I was on pre-deployment training on Vieques an Island off Puerto Rico. We would go over to Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station and catch a cab outside the base in Ceba and go into San Juan for the week ends. Loved it there.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
10:35 pm
“Not for this year, but I will for 2013 thanks to the little tax deduction that’s due in March.”
Congrats, Bro.
Bless you and yours.
over and out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC1pZfbGpHI
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
10:37 pm
“The gop civil war is back on and rove is catching hell.”
Come on now getalife. There’s no civil war going on. We learned our lesson about fighting 2 wars with Iraq and Afgh. So right now we’re fighting just one war and are still waging the war on women. I’m reloading as I speak. I thought I saw one out in my chocolate field. I mine the field with chocolate treats and when the fat ones come out to grab a Hersheys kiss well hell I just up and unload on em. Now most of the fat ones are gone and the skinnier ones are harder to get a fix on. One being they skinny so they don’t present as big a target and 2 being they faster than the heavier ones.
Brosephus™
November 7th, 2012
10:40 pm
Thanks betty.
Time to call it an evening. Y’all have fun.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
10:41 pm
Recon,
I had to catch a flight from St. Thomas to San Juan not nearly as long ago as it should have been on a DC-3 where they made us move around in the plane before takeoff to distribute the weight. I’m not sure we saw Vieques, but we never got very far off the ground either and I saw lots of places I made a mental note of that I could swim back to.
Brosephus,
I can’t believe you put the word groups “Black Angus” and “got lucky” so close together. Luck was never involved and one of these days I’ll let you know of blog what one of my hosts said about the whole thing.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
10:42 pm
or off blog….
IHB
Recon 0311 2533
November 7th, 2012
10:51 pm
RW,
Sure brings back memory’s…We went over to St.Thomas to work some with UDT { they were in the process of becoming SEALS). A couple of former UDT got out of the Navy and set up a beach bar outside of the UDT, (SEAL) team base. They would bring island ladies down and it was a week of wild parties. During the days I don’t know how we were able to function in the water still about three quarters drunk.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2012
11:11 pm
During the days I don’t know how we were able to function in the water still about three quarters drunk.
Recon,
You may have just hit on the theme that brings us all together!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
South Park is done and I’ll sign off as well. Congrats to my lib friends and chin up to my conservative friends.Love you both and goodnight.
moonbat betty
November 7th, 2012
11:23 pm
Good to “see” ya, RW!
Balls the size of Cue Balls (for the fool Joe Biden and for the good men abandoned in Libya by Obama)
November 7th, 2012
11:35 pm
Mr. Bookman,
Raising revenue by taxing the rich is fool’s gold–maybe even intentionally so. It won’t avail the US treasury of nearly as much money as growing the economy would. Still, we can’t have rich people not willing to give some “skin” in the game.
Oh, and did anyone see the DOW today?
Looks like Democrats are already getting their wishes coming true. There is more skin in the game, and the rich are getting skinned after all.
Will that help the treasury?
Oh, who cares. Let’s just throw a big party for our fool President, our Obambarassment and his dippy snarking sidekick, “that’s just” Joe!
Balls the size of Cue Balls (for the fool Joe Biden and for the good men abandoned in Libya by Obama)
November 7th, 2012
11:45 pm
It’s going to take people such as Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal and Jeb Bush and Chris Christie telling hard truths to a base that has often found ingenious ways to avoid hard truths.
The big takeaway quote from the Bookman-ator (-hater?).
Good thing the Democrat base doesn’t have to face hard truths, like Benghazi or outrageous debts…. they’ve got the media running interference from the truth.
Unfortunately, these things, like the truth, eventually catch up with you.
Banderson
November 7th, 2012
11:47 pm
Balls – Dow down today, but up over 60% under Obama (after being down 25% under the last disasterous prez). I’ll take up 60% anytime, but you fret about today. Maybe sell your stocks and go buy a few years worth of freeze dried food and bottled water for the coming apocalypse.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 8th, 2012
12:24 am
Oh, and did anyone see the DOW today?
Yep, down 2.36%.
Are you gonna make as big a deal if it goes up 2% tomorrow?
My late Da always said don’t try to make too much stew out of only one oyster.
Marc
November 8th, 2012
3:16 am
JamVet just for you
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/26/Exodus-Inter-City-Blacks-Fleeing-Obama-Democrats
Tom Middleton
November 8th, 2012
4:17 am
Jay, we Dems know how to win now against impossible odds. And if we can avoid the trap of becoming our own worst enemy, especially since our Republican friends just reminded us that doesn’t work, we will quite literally change the whole world for the better!
It’s finally time, wouldn’t you think? …and not a moment too soon!
Ronald Reagan Parkway
November 8th, 2012
5:13 am
。☆ 。☆。☆
★。＼｜／。★
Obama 4 MORE
–Deal with it TroIIs–
★。／｜＼。★
。☆。 。☆。
marko
November 8th, 2012
5:53 am
For all the billionaires that literally spent billions trying to buy the election, It would seem that all you got show for it was some lousy tee-shirts. My heart bleeds for you.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:06 am
“I can say that I don’t respect many of his posts, which I think are racial.”
oh, FFS
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:12 am
Marc – 3:16 – hahahaha … oh, yeah – that TOTALLY needs to be saved next time someone holds up Breitbart as a source of quality journalism
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:14 am
http://e-edition.metro.co.uk/home.html
go to pages 6-7 for a fantastic graphic on who voted O
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
6:15 am
marc, interesting read. With some valid points.
But two people are an “Exodus”?
And this opening – “Over the past few weeks we have begun to see the ultimate unraveling of support for the president, with women and youth fleeing from his side.” – is rather ironic in that he heavily carried both demographics, huh?
Somewhat sensationalist journalism, I would say…
GREAT record, though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP3VsZ7QD08
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
6:20 am
Just one of those LPs where pretty much everything on it was awesome…
From the very first time I blessed my eyes on you, girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6NNGVHrqho
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
6:26 am
The bigots and haters next door have gone into full meltdown mode.
Sad…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vM3EI9-s4
Rightwing Troll
November 8th, 2012
6:29 am
“moron”, “retarded”, “black on the inside”, “mentally ill”, “Unamerican”, “we should all wear black today”, and more…
These were the things said to my 11yo daughter yesterday as she went to the defense of a friend who was being harassed by a group of 7 kids at their East Cobb middle school yesterday. She tells me at least one of those kids has been spouting all this crap for the last couple weeks.
So now on top of all else a parent has to worry about when we send our children off to school, we have to worry about political bullying as well.
It’s one thing to come a blog like this and fling zingers, but in my personal life I choose to NEVER discuss 2 things with people, politics and religion. I’m not one of those folks who has been incessantly posting political items on my facebook page, or covers my car with bumper stickers. I have a dear friend, more than one really, who has gone nuts with all the Oblama stuff on FB, I love him like a brother so I just read it and chuckle, but these things don’t interfere with who he and I are when we get together.
It’s one thing to strongly believe something and/or strongly believe in something, it’s quite another to instill this crap into your children. I speak to right or left. The ex Mrs. Troll is fairly verbal about her beliefs, I have no control over that. I’m proud of my daughter for stepping up to defend a friend who was set upon, but I did talk to her about publicly espousing your political beliefs, it’s just not a good idea.
Kids need to be kids, and this kind of stuff ain’t kid stuff. Think about what we’re doing to the children.
Finally, the “unAmerican” comment makes my blood boil, her grandfather joined the navy at the age of 17, then the army after that, he saw action in two wars. Her Uncle went to Grenada, her other uncle almost bled out on a dirt road in Fallujah in 2004 from an IED, I’d be willing to bet that not one of those 7 kids spouting this crap in an East Cobb middle school can say the same.
UnAmerican indeed.
Joel Edge
November 8th, 2012
6:31 am
Sorry, Jay, game remains the same. If there ain’t some cuts involved it ain’t gonna work.
Rightwing Troll
November 8th, 2012
6:31 am
“Unfortunately, these things, like the truth, eventually catch up with you.”
Kinda like what happened on Tuesday night?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:40 am
“The bigots and haters next door have gone into full meltdown mode.”
yep – the navel gazing in the right-wing papers has been entertaining … my favorite?? “we lost because we weren’t conservative enough”
MOST EXCELLENT!!!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266649-conservatives-lambast-romney-vow-to-take-over-gop
middle of the road
November 8th, 2012
6:42 am
I am amused by the people who say Romney lost because he was too liberal. Let’s see, the Republicans have alienated the blacks, the Hispanics, a whole lot of women – and now they want to alienate the center, independent voter?
That is NOT smart. The reason that Romney did as well as he did is because of support from centrist independent voters. Call him a RINO if you want, but a very conservative Rebublican candidate would have lost by a landslide.
Carl
November 8th, 2012
6:42 am
It’s time Obama led instead of blaming other people for his failures! Hiding behind Hillary Clinton’s skirt on the coverup isn,t working either!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:42 am
“If there ain’t some cuts involved it ain’t gonna work.”
and no one is saying that cuts aren’t part of the deal – all Dems have said all along is that taxes need to increase as well
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:43 am
“It’s time Obama led instead of blaming other people for his failures!”
hey Carl –
he was reelected in a landslide …
it was in all the papers
maybe you missed it.
Jefferson
November 8th, 2012
6:47 am
Taxing the upper class their fair share may not solve all the revenue problems , but it’s a dang good start.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
6:49 am
“their fair share”
mmmm … that language gets me nowhere. we have a progressive tax already – they already SHOULD pay their fair share.
what we need to do is close the loopholes so that they actually pay what they’re supposed to.
Orange12
November 8th, 2012
7:00 am
“Taxing the upper class their fair share may not solve all the revenue problems , but it’s a dang good start.”
You’re right, it won’t solve anything. It’s Obama’s same old class warfare.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
7:01 am
“it won’t solve anything.”
that’s not what he said, Mr. Reading is Fundamental.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 8th, 2012
7:04 am
USNUK
I’m having a real tough time getting a handle on the definition of “fair share”…seems to me that amount is governed by the tax code…despite all its flaws. I guess I’m mistaken as I have learned from DEMs that “fair share” means other people not including their base need to pay more and pushing the tax code to the limit is akin to stealing from women and children.
The vilification of the wealthy is a sad outcome/successful strategy of the DEMS…our dysfunctional government spends more than we can pay and it’s the fault of the evil wealthy…I think that the issue with whether individuals of any means, like the government, life beyond their means, bought too much house poorly timed…etcetera….argueably our government is a microcosm of all of us…
We borrow money to finance luxuries that we should pay cash for…in risky fashion, mortgaging that which should be left for our kids..talk about screwed..
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:05 am
Taxing the upper class is a good start, then start cutting programs and going after fraud. Why do so many guppies want to protect the wealthy sharks? It’s insane…
Orange12
November 8th, 2012
7:07 am
What is Obama going to do to enable people getting free stuff to stand on their own two feet and earn a living instead of depending on the Gov for their very existence? Free stuff isn’t really free. It’s being paid for by the working class.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 8th, 2012
7:08 am
JEFFERSON
How do you define fair share? I agree that we can use the projected $80 billion a year, regardless of the fact that it has already been spent and its fractional relationship with the $1.2-1.4 TRILLION that we spend beyond our means..what’s the plan for the other 94%?
This lifestyle, like socialism (but not yet) is fine until you run out of other peoples money….I think we should jump off fiscal cliff…at least we’d all be in this together..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
7:12 am
Stevie Ray – which is why I have a problem with the phrase “fair share” – I don’t disagree with you in the least on that one.
(and, as anyone here who knows me well will attest, I’m all for a flat tax with no deductions)
I don’t / won’t / can’t speak for all Dems, but I can say that *I* don’t vilify the wealthy – I only vilify those who think that they EARNED the money they inherited and those who look down their noses at the working class, calling them scroungers and takers. The majority of the poor ARE working poor – working. As in, they HAVE a job. If they don’t pay income taxes, it’s because of programs that RONALD REAGAN started because he thought that was the best way to help them get out of poverty. Don’t like it? Take it up with him.
Lastly, I couldn’t agree more on debt – the mister and I are completely debt-free. No mortgage. We pay off our credit-card every month. We don’t just live within our means, we live well under our means. But, I also know that we’re lucky – we’re both gainfully employed in good companies that pay a decent salary. Neither of us have an illness – and, if we did, we have health insurance + the NHS.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 8th, 2012
7:13 am
“What is Obama going to do to enable people getting free stuff to stand on their own two feet and earn a living instead of depending on the Gov for their very existence? ”
yay!!!
I’ll play!!!
Please, list all the free stuff.
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:13 am
orange
Why do you believe in such propaganda? Do you really believe that is the cause of our massive debt? Try unfunded tax cuts, 2 wars, medicare part d, interest on the debt, lower revenue because of the great recession. Get off the merry go round of blaming welfare for all our ills. In the great scheme of our debt, it is insignificant…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 8th, 2012
7:13 am
MICK
So everyone that you define as “wealthy” are sharks? You have no idea what you are saying. If you are a liberal desiring to continue to spend 30% (taxing the rich as proposed will get you $80 billion a year..its already spent) to maintain a lifestyle we can’t afford, I view your comments as just another exaggerated talking point..
Who do you think already pays 80% of the taxes? Who do you think pays the vast majority of charity donations? I could go on but generalizing as you do is not exactly a well thought out commmentary…IMO
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:16 am
stevie
Wake up dude…I’m only talking about raising taxes on them four percentage points not confiscating all their wealth. They can easily afford more…geez, how did we ever have millionaires and billionaires in the 90’s? Let them pay more, it’s a no brainer…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 8th, 2012
7:18 am
USNUK
Amen for the flat tax..the 20% will still pay 80% but at least transparency will be legit.
I’m heading your way for my bi-annual visit to Lloyds to mingle with the most astounding group of arrogant, mostly trust funded, group of “aristocracy” in you land..at least in my limited travel..
Been doing this for years..most memorable things I’ve viewed were DaVinci’s hand drawings during Queens Jubilee in early 2000 and a Picasso/Matisse comparative exhibit at the Tate…The food has certainly made amazing strides since the 80’s and prior..love that town.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 8th, 2012
7:21 am
MICK
I agree with you on those making $500K or more and we should make it more transparent by eliminating all deductions and applying a flat tax..unfortunately and as is the case with all issues, the tax lawyers pay too much vigorous to our elected money sponges that the likihood of putting them out of business is remote
Sorry if I came off as a dick…not adequately caffeinated:-(
Mick
November 8th, 2012
7:21 am
Love the fact that karl rove spent 400 million and got….nothing, no wins, serves the creepy huckster right…