The Fox-induced hysteria over Benghazi collapses
What happens when a lie goes astray?
You may recall the right wing’s hysteria last week over the way that events had supposedly played out in Benghazi, Libya. Stoked by inflammatory, deeply irresponsible misreporting on Fox News, they insisted that this scandal was bigger than Watergate, and that for his cowardice President Obama would be disgraced as commander in chief and impeached and removed from office should he win a second term.
Oh, they were in fine, fine form, braying like so many hounds certain they have finally treed the fox.
President Obama, we were told, had AC-130 gunships within an hour of Benghazi but refused to use them to try to intervene on behalf of his ambassador. We had Special Forces units ready to go just two hours away, at Sigonella Air Base in Sicily, but a cowardly Obama again barred a rescue operation, fearful that it might endanger his re-election if it went astray.
And twice — TWICE!!! — former SEALs at a nearby CIA compound had requested permission to intervene in the assault on the U.S. consulate, but twice they had been ordered to stand down and do nothing. Finally, the ex-SEALS defied orders from Washington, made their way to the consulate and rescued some of their fellow Americans. Obama, in contrast, was ready to just let them all die.
Fox News also reported that upon returning to the CIA annex, those same ex-SEALs had “lasered” a mortar targeting their position in hopes that an AC-130 would arrive to take it out, but again no help came. That same mortar later killed two of those ex-SEALs.
But as predicted here, none of that turned out to be true. None. From beginning to end, and in all its details, that story has proved to be false.
– There were no orders from the CIA or anyone else to stand down. According to a CIA timeline released last week, once those at the CIA annex learned that the nearby consulate was under attack, an ad hoc rescue mission was quickly put together and launched within 25 minutes.
– As Pentagon spokesman George Little described it Friday, “there was no AC-130 within a continent’s range of Benghazi” that night. The closest gunship was in Afghanistan, some 2,500 miles away. The two surveillance drones that eventually reached the scene in Benghazi also had to be reassigned from elsewhere; neither was armed.
– Contrary to the Fox report, there were no Special Forces units available for insertion into the situation. Soon after word of the attack reached Washington, a special ops team was scrambled from a training facility somewhere in Central Europe — some sources have reported Croatia — and transported to Sigonella.
In addition, a second special ops unit was immediately alerted and transported from a military base here in the United States to Sigonella, as an option should a hostage situation develop. In other words, major preparations were underway to provide a military option should the opportunity arise to use it.
But as Little put it last week, the units “did not arrive until after the entire sequence of events was complete. … They were in Sigonella many hours after the attacks.” Two platoons of specially trained Marines had also been hustled to Sigonella, but again too late for intervention.
– Finally, there had been no “lasering” of the mortar position used to attack the CIA annex in the second phase of the assault. (That second phase occurred more than seven hours after the attack on the consulate had ended). There was no reason to use a laser in that fashion — the SEALs knew they had no air cover to intervene — and more importantly, no opportunity to do so.
According to the CIA, its personnel at the annex were not even aware that the mortars existed until mortar shells began falling on their position; from beginning to end, the deadly mortar attack lasted all of 11 minutes.
In conclusion, last week’s entire controversy was spectacularly, embarrassingly wrong-headed. No facts exist to justify the overheated rhetoric and allegations directed at Obama and top officials in his administration, but no apologies will follow either. Quite the contrary, I’m sure.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
11:32 am
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
11:32 am
RW
Thanks for being the best advocate you can for the “registered conservative”, but it was pretty weak to say the least.
Maybe next time, buddy. Maybe next time
Aquagirl
November 5th, 2012
11:32 am
Aquagirl:
Do you believe conservative women have equal rights as progressive liberal women? If so explain it.
Yes. And I’m happy to explain my reasoning if you’ll explain why you’re flinging a random question my way. Given your history I can’t discount you’re asking because you’re an angry guy with a stick up his rear end, and I’m not here to jump for your amusement.
Rafe Hollister
November 5th, 2012
11:32 am
Jay,
If their were no military or CIA assets available to come to the aid of these brave diplomats and warriors, that makes me think we do need a bigger Navy as Romney said, and Barry mocked. Why with all the unrest happening in the middle east, do we not have a aircraft carrier group assigned full time to the Med. Could it be that the are all deployed in other hot spots, like the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean.
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:33 am
Time to go set up for tomorrow. Ya’ll be NICE to each other lol.
GT
November 5th, 2012
11:33 am
My question is how many building will be burned down in the south when Obama wins this time. And in those burnings will we be able to filter out terrorist from the usual suspects. You will have the Waffle House gang who are harmless, but maybe some Taliban seek into that group of disgruntles and help torch the landscape with them, kind of merge the two causes. Then, like strangers robbing a bank together, one stranger pulls out his gun and starts shooting up the place killing a few folks. The Waffle House gang now tries to disengage but the Taliban is loading up the guns for a second roll of fireworks. “Who invited these guys?” “I thought you said you were related to them?” the Waffle House gang are heard saying as they leg a retreat.
Once you enter the non reality of militate it get real, real fast.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:33 am
SUCKS – I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM – BUT YOU DO. Have you ever had an idea yourself or do you jut like whine about those that oppose Obama’s socialist agenda?
Thulsa Doom
November 5th, 2012
11:34 am
So what George Watson is really saying is that dan rather and CBS 60 minutes should have been arrested years ago.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
11:34 am
…now go read the endorsement , learn something NEW and report back…
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I somehow answer to you, sport.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:35 am
Mark in mid-town — “Whatever Fox News’ faults, they are one of the few news organizations attempting to do any real reporting on the issue, as opposed to accting like the Palace Guard for Obama.”
Next you’ll try to tell us that they’re doing real reportage now because they feel so guilty about being Bush’s “palace guard” for eight years.
willie lynch
November 5th, 2012
11:35 am
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:22 am
What has Romney shown? When he left Mass. they were 47th in job creation. He’ not even going to win the state he governed. He claims ties to Michigan and that states a toss up. He’ll win Utah but that has to do with the religious ties of that community and he didn’t even get the endorsement of the states largest and most influential newspaper.
It seems to me those who know Romney best are not in his corner. Knowing him seems to cause a dislike for him.
Since most of your rant was about Obama being a socialist and and a bunch of other blabber, what is it that Romney offers that has your support?
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
11:35 am
Morality
You are the last person to speak about whining.
You do nothing else when you post.
Have a tissue
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 5th, 2012
11:36 am
I hear they found a cigar and a blue dress in Benghazi……
Whatever you do, DON’T smoke that cigar! I’m warning you.
stands for decibels
November 5th, 2012
11:36 am
but isn’t bandwagoneering more useful the closer it happens to coincide with election day?
hmm. I honestly don’t know.
I never thought of “bandwagoneers” as anything more than shorthand for “timid people who wait until they have decided it’s safe”, i.e., a mild insult, but I wasn’t really using it as such just now.
(further complicating things, I’ve almost exclusively used it to describe sports fans, not political junkies, so less was riding on it.)
Brosephus™
November 5th, 2012
11:37 am
RW: If we’re going with predictions for calling Georgia for Romney I’ll go with 7:00PM and 3 nanoseconds
I’m going with 7:00:01 due to a glitch in Fulton Co.
—————————-
Mick
I’m hoping we can run the table and return to Miami. I guess it could be a 20 year anniversary celebration of the Alabama vs Miami championship game which was the 1st BCS game.
Krystal'sBalls
November 5th, 2012
11:37 am
@RealTalk
November 5th, 2012
10:17 am
3300 sq ft HOME
401K , IRA, metals, savings…
ONE car payment, all otherS PAID FOR!
low 800 FICO
SORRY “CHARLIE”
And no I don’t drive an Escalade, although I am sure you would feel MUCH better to know that I did.
Goldie
November 5th, 2012
11:37 am
Shame on Fox Noise– its fans are ignorant and filled with misplaced hatred!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
11:38 am
Have you ever had an idea yourself or do you jut like whine about those that oppose Obama’s socialist agenda?
Sez the drudgey spammer.
Whatsamatta?
Why haven’t you posted your usual screed about Samuel L. Jackson
The Truth
November 5th, 2012
11:38 am
Since January 2009, a net of 194,000 new jobs have been created. During that same time, 14.7 million have been added to the food stamp rolls.
Simply put, BO’s policies have not produced jobs. During his time in office, 14.7 million people were added to the food stamp rolls. Over that same time, only 194,000 jobs were created—thus 76 people went on food stamps for every one that found a job.
…. thought you might be interested ….
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:39 am
Flagboy — “I simply copied and pasted what you typed. I don’t see what I did wrong.”
“I’m not a bit surprised.”
“and as for knowing you. . . this is the internet. . . and it’s a blog. with anonymous names and handles. . . I’d hazard to guess not many here know much about each other. It rarely stops anyone from posting their opinion though.”
Most of the regulars here *do* know each other, at least by reputation.
You, not so much.
Thereby making your opinion of me worthless.
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
11:39 am
They can call GA now.
stands for decibels
November 5th, 2012
11:40 am
Bush’s “palace guard” for eight years.
Of course back in the day, we DFHs used to refer to them as the “Press Corpse.”
Thulsa Doom
November 5th, 2012
11:40 am
Brocephus,
Not that it matters but the first Bcs title game was UT and fsu in 98.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:40 am
Jay – you are like a magnet for the obsessive, militant, Marxist far out left. Nut cases and bi polar abounds here for our entertainment. Whining, crying and gnashing of teeth when the subject of “God” comes up! Gasp! Heaven forbid!
stands for decibels
November 5th, 2012
11:40 am
ooh, can I call OK and UT for Romney? I always wanted to do that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
11:41 am
Since January 2009, a net of 194,000 new jobs have been created. During that same time, 14.7 million have been added to the food stamp rolls.
Week old smelly drudgey spam
St Simons
November 5th, 2012
11:41 am
The unhinged wing has shown up.
Let’s hope they just blog crazy stuff.
and that the FBI is ready for tomorrow.
We knew this would happen though, didn’t we?
Regnad Kcin
November 5th, 2012
11:41 am
538’s got O as a 7-1 favorite.
InTrade’s got O at 2-1.
“Smells like…victory…”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 5th, 2012
11:41 am
Paul Ryan to Right-Wing Activists: Obama Policies ‘Compromise Judeo-Christian Values’
alternet.org
Obma must be like Christ? Maybe he is the 2nd coming? Oh oh oh….
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:41 am
OBIWAN — “Joe Hussein Mama; So you believe the Obozo lies?”
No, I absolutely don’t believe the “Obozo lies.” The lies you people tell about the President are inexcusable.
“I left the democrat party after seeing that they ARE 100% NOT FOR THE PEOPLE, they are 100% about themselves. If you all like Obozo so much move the south side of Chicago, he has done such a good job there, right?”
I’m staying right here and too bad for you if you don’t like it.
“You all cry about the “Bush” wars, but more people are shot and killed in the south side of Chicago than in both wars, yeah your correct he has done such a good job…right?”
I love the sound of conservative heads exploding. (laughing, pointing)
stands for decibels
November 5th, 2012
11:43 am
the obsessive, militant, Marxist far out left.
I will present you with the same challenge I presented our MIA “USMC” over a year ago, who posted that Jay was “far out of the mainstream.”
just which particular view popular here by those who are to the left of you, is “far out left”?
I will own up to having one rather unpopular view–I think the death penalty is stupid and should be abolished. That is about it for me.
Seriously, what is “far out left” in these comments threads, “Morality?” And where, pray tell, are the “Marxists”?
George Watson
November 5th, 2012
11:43 am
PS In what way was this lie ‘astray’? When did intentional repetition of untruths and unsubstantiated fantasy become an unfortunate error. A more interesting approach might have been some quick research on how many Americans had heard and believed this nefarious work of fiction, and suggested it had influenced their vote. That would be a scandal worth demanding answers to – not to get apologies, but heads, preferably on pikes.
Paul
November 5th, 2012
11:43 am
RW-(the original)
Could to have you back. Nice to have a person able to articulate a reasonable position from a certain political viewpoint here on the blog.
Haven’t seen that for a lonnnnnnnnnnng time.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:44 am
R. Hollister — “If their were no military or CIA assets available to come to the aid of these brave diplomats and warriors, that makes me think we do need a bigger Navy as Romney said, and Barry mocked. Why with all the unrest happening in the middle east, do we not have a aircraft carrier group assigned full time to the Med.”
Ever hear of NATO?
RW-(the original)
November 5th, 2012
11:44 am
I’m going with 7:00:01 due to a glitch in Fulton Co
Brosephus,
You’ll be closer to right on all the non-Fox channels since they’ll call the Obama states, if there are any
, first
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
11:44 am
stands
I think it is safe to call Idaho, Nebraska, Wyoming, both Dakatos and South Carolina as well.
William J. Clinton
November 5th, 2012
11:44 am
I did not have sexual relations with that woman!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 5th, 2012
11:44 am
Just think, 36 hours from now the mittens will be off our TV’s until 2015!
getalife
November 5th, 2012
11:45 am
Our President remains undefeated.
Great news for our country.
Depression sets in for the cons.
stands for decibels
November 5th, 2012
11:46 am
I think it is safe to call Idaho, Nebraska, Wyoming, both Dakatos and South Carolina as well.
You forgot
Poland!Kansas!…but seriously, I am just interested in *who* gets to bravely call those states. I think we should be generous and allow different regulars here make the call.
Bradley
November 5th, 2012
11:47 am
“Obama killed my son. Words spoken by the father of one of the Seals that died.”
Thats a pretty disgusting comment and I feel ashamed that you would ever use that as an attack. By that logic any time Bush sent a troop overseas he was personally responsible for killing him. Please, people, think before you talk. And before people jump down my throat, its absolutley horrible that anyone had to die, but to blame it on a president? The big picture needs to be looked at, and the fact that somehow the president, single handed has brought everything down is outlandish.
RW-(the original)
November 5th, 2012
11:47 am
Paul,
I’m just breifly loitering here, but it’s good to “see” a few old friends still around. What’s the latest Cowboys news after last night?
Thulsa Doom
November 5th, 2012
11:47 am
The kook echo chamber is particularly loud today. At least 90 decibels.
ATLien
November 5th, 2012
11:47 am
@independent thinker 11:31 Spot on. But, I suspect we won’t hear anything from the conservative posters in this forum regarding that. Or if they do post the comment will center around “we’re not talking about the past we’re talking about now” The blind hypocrisy of these people is galling and offensive.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:47 am
You mean Samuel L. Jackson’s interview with Ebony? Why haven’t I brought up today? Because you already know what he said and I know that SLJ lied about why he vote for Obama. He voted for Obama because he is a left of center, socialist democrat……. and that’s the real reason he voted for him. We both know that he wouldn’t vote for Herman Caine ” ’cause he’s black.”
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:47 am
“Morality” — “Whining, crying and gnashing of teeth when the subject of “God” comes up! Gasp! Heaven forbid!”
The only whining, crying and gnashing of teeth I see in here when god is mentioned is that coming from the conservatives who get all butthurt that the atheist posters don’t bang down on their knees and start singing hosannas.
Some people don’t believe in your god. Get over it.
Rafe Hollister
November 5th, 2012
11:48 am
They Both Suck
My point exactly, no matter how loud one yells, a deaf man never hears you. The willfully deaf are even more of a challenge, sign language doesn’t work well either, as usually, they are willfully blind as well.
If anyone reads what is known about Benghazi and absorbs that their is a lack of information coming out of the WH, an honest thinking person realizes they are either stalling or hiding something. If they are just stalling, then why?
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:48 am
SUCKS – to handle your whining we need to get out the sponge mop….. I prefer a Swiffer for Liberal tears myself.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 5th, 2012
11:48 am
Here is a very interesting read…
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Jim-Cramer-election-prediction/2012/11/04/id/462697?s=al&promo_code=10965-1
Oscar
November 5th, 2012
11:48 am
It’s not over till it’s over.
Yogi Berra
JohnnyReb
November 5th, 2012
11:49 am
Jay, what a partisan hack you verge on becoming. Just because you don’t agree, or wish it was not so, does not mean it not true.
There are several US Senators and Representatives that believe there is more to be learned of the incident.
Typically, FOX is the only big boy carrying the water. The rest are complicit in Obama’s coverup.
Anyone who defends Obama sending out the dogs to try and persuade people the attack was from the video has no concern of their credibility.
This thing is far from being over.
JackThrock
November 5th, 2012
11:50 am
Jay – We don’t know what the facts are on Benghazi as they are still coming out. And you’re right, there are conflicting reports from DOD, CIA, NSC and ground reports from Benghazi itself. Within hours of the Bin Laden attack, however, the president reported to the American people exactly what he ordered, what was done, and how it was done. We don’t have that here, which makes the optics for the admin bad. If the optics were good for the president, there’s no way the president would not be out front on this, not least because of the political benefits. But he’s not. He has vacillated significantly. He has equivocated. Why not just hold a press conference with president, VP, SoS, DefSec, NSA, Joint Chiefs head, and CIA director? Lay it out there. Explain to the American people what was done, when, by whom. It has been nearly 2 months. The reason I and many others think he has not is because the optics are bad for him, because there was a breakdown somewhere, and because we failed to protect our men on a battlefield. Perhaps, I am wrong. But until and unless the president and his chief advisers lay out the events, others will fill a vacuum, even if incorrectly.
Ben
November 5th, 2012
11:50 am
The controversy at its base is still there, you just continue to ignore it.
Why was Obama lying and blaming this on a video (and thus a US citizen) for two weeks after he knew it wasn’t true?
Yes, I know, lies are only bad when a Repuiblican said it, lies are fine when Obama says them because he never does anything wrong, so obviously he had a good reason to lie to us for weeks. So what was this reason?
Nice strawman argument, Jay. Hardly anyone is talking about that stuff, they are talking about how Obama lied and blamed a video. Why don’t you respond to the actual controversy instead of this junk no one is talking about?
Regnad Kcin
November 5th, 2012
11:50 am
“The kook echo chamber is particularly loud today. At least 90 decibels’
And, Thulsa, EVERYONE on the blog agrees!
Oscar
November 5th, 2012
11:51 am
Just realized. Life without Mitt will be a great relief and improvement. Only a couple of more days and he will fade into memory. I feel better already.
getalife
November 5th, 2012
11:51 am
mitt will be gone and the one that wears the pants in the family said no more campaigns with the unhinged cons yelling at her.
They will be fine and the cons have plenty of other wealthy Americans they can slobber on.
Life is good.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:51 am
He is not my God. He is everyone’s God. You have the free will to reject him if you wish. God still loves you.
JohnnyReb
November 5th, 2012
11:52 am
I see many of the Lefties are practing their statements for the Obama defeat – it’s all because of the racists.
No, it’s because he is not an acceptable POTUS and the majority reject his policies.
But, I get ahead.
Oscar
November 5th, 2012
11:53 am
Ben
November 5th, 2012
11:50 am
_____
It’s a non issue. Give it up. Nothing happened that can be blamed on Obama and Obama did nothing wrong.
independent thinker
November 5th, 2012
11:53 am
And again how many Americans died in the only war Obama started- Libya compared to Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan??
Hey folks when you put our folks in harms way -sh-t happens.
My son has a classmates who was one three siblings who were foster children adopted by a couple who were assigned to Kenya by the CDC. the mother was killed in the Kenya embassy bombing. I do not remember everyone blaming Clinton for her death and others.
Cons just desperate to claim Al-Quaida not wiped out by Obama; Ever hear of the Salafis and Wahabis??? Why were they not wiped out by your boy Bush in the war on terror?
Why did your patron saint turn tail and run when 249 Marines were killed by Hezbollah?
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
11:54 am
Rafe
I have not exonerated nor condemned anyone relating to the Libya incident.
Seems you have or are leaning that way.
Some already have the entire administration charged, convicted and executed while others claim the opposite.
____________________
Morality
I picked up the tab and have a wet vac heading your way to clean up your constant crying. You must have your duck shoes on to keep your feet dry.
Also sending some Gouda and Pepper Jack to go with that whine of yours.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:54 am
Our ambassador asked for help – he got none. However, “The Muslim Brotherhood” has been pledged $1000,000,000 of our tax dollars by Obama – shows where his allegiance lies.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:55 am
“Morality” — “He is not my God. He is everyone’s God.”
No. You are quite simply wrong.
“You have the free will to reject him if you wish. God still loves you.”
I don’t care to get into a discussion with you today about your nonexistent deity.
Go pray and participate in your religious services and rituals to your heart’s content, but don’t bother pretending that people who don’t adhere to your religion are going to play by your rules.
Regnad Kcin
November 5th, 2012
11:56 am
It seems the only defense for Fox on this blog is the “The outlier is always true” theory…
Obama is over
November 5th, 2012
11:56 am
Who cares what FOX news says? The American public watched Obama speak before the U.N.and blame the Benghazi attack on a youtube video. Then Susan Rice spoke on the Sunday talk shows continuing the spin. These speeches were unfiltered by MSNBC, Fox, and any other service. Obama then denied it all in Debate #2 before the eyes of the American public. This was particularly damaging to Obama because it removed the only success of his administration-”I killed Bin Laden”. Killing bin Laden is not a foreign policy. The entire Benghazi episode highlights what has become the hallmark of the Obama presidency- lack of accountability and responsibility. It’s Bush’s fault, it’s the Tsunamis’ fault, it’s the evil 1%, it’s Congress’s fault, it’s Wall St’s fault, ad nauseum. At some point, President Obama must grow up and accept responsibility for his own actions, or more importantly, his inactions. His re-election campaign has been based on completely ignoring his time in office. We have spent four years and $5 Trillion playing the blame game. I am really tired of all the divisive rhetoric, misinformation, and partisan crap we have been inundated with for the past year or so from both parties and particularly the media. I guess that is the brave new world of 24/7 electronic media that has to fill time with endless in your face soundbites. It seems that the arts of diplomacy and negotiation are no longer essential for successful politicians. It is more important to gauge which party is “winning” at any given moment.Obama’s inabilty to create a bipartisan coalition on anything has resulted in one of the most mediocre administrations in history.
St Simons
November 5th, 2012
11:56 am
The Wednesday Rush show will be epic, one for the ages.
if the ***** *** pig shows up for work.
Now run along trolls. Your leader is ’bout to speak.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
11:57 am
SUCKS – you are such a waste.
Bob
November 5th, 2012
11:57 am
Enter your comments here
Is it really WIN at all cost. Florida cutting early voting from 14 days to 8 days.
Yes goob, it’s easier for the boss to take off to vote than it is the lowly worker.
Let’s go back to just land owning white males allowed to vote. It would be awesome. Only aristocrats would be military officers and we only target soldiers not officers in battle.
The good ole days.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
11:58 am
O is O — “I am really tired of all the divisive rhetoric, misinformation, and partisan crap we have been inundated with for the past year or so”
Coming from a poster named “Obama is Over,” this comment is MOST risible and humorous. (giggling)
You don’t often see a poster turn into a troll mid-post.
Thulsa Doom
November 5th, 2012
11:58 am
So why are the kooks so loud today? Is it desperation because of a possible mitt victory and an imminent reduction of their beloved welfare state? Or is it glee over an impending Obama win and the expectation of 20 trillion in debt, even more folks on food stamps, and mediocre economic growth for another 4 years?
Rafe Hollister
November 5th, 2012
11:58 am
For those who want to read a differing opinion on the CIA timeline (not from Fox)
http://dewgeneral.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/cia-account-of-benghazi-simply-not-true-libya-scandal-being-suppressed/
British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren’t called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don’t know why we didn’t get the call?” one said.
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
11:58 am
Morality
Would your God be proud of you and the negative comments you throw at those who do not agree with your views?
Paul
November 5th, 2012
11:58 am
RW-(the oiginal)
same as ever – Jerry micromanages and takes no responsibility, we can expect a new head coach and another season goes down in flames.
getalife
Condolences. Lou Holtz had it right – LSU was the better team but Alabama won the game.
nobodyyouknow
November 5th, 2012
11:59 am
I am sick and tired of hearing about the Bengazzi attack. I am NOT taking it lightly that Americans were killed. The truth will come out eventually. Its a wonder the American people know anything about events like this. The news media on BOTH SIDES are so biased. Yes FOX news is conservative and yes NBC and MSNBC are liberal. My concern is the media on both sides should report the damn news on the FACTS. O’bama has been attacked every since he’s been in office, as BUSH was when he was in office. I know Jay you hate to hear “if Bush were in office” bla, bla bla. But its true. His name is mentioned by the O,bama crowd. “Look what I enherited”. all the time. I get so frustrated reading your columns and others because you NEVER critize O’bama’s crowd when we all know he makes bad decisions. Please don’t come back with “name them”. You are far more informed than I and you know the history of this administation the past 4 years. I just don’t understand why you and your peers are not more concerned about the future of this country than party affiliation? I vote for who I think will do the best for this country. Sometimes its a Democrat, sometimes a Republican. The political parties always do the same thing, get some person with a great appearance, personality, attractive family, likable, good speaker, (no matter experience) and stick them in front of the media and they do the rest. If you and your buddies would just look at everything on both candidates and leave party out of it the country would better off.
getalife
November 5th, 2012
11:59 am
The last four years gave us our economy and auto industry back, occupations ended, no scandals and no attacks on the homeland.
This President did a great job and the cons know it.
The Obama’s are role models are there are none from the right.
He is calling for unity to govern for his second term to solve problems.
Will the right cooperate?
Hell no..
willie lynch
November 5th, 2012
11:59 am
JackThrock
November 5th, 2012
11:50 am
It would seem to make sense that having all the information on a surprise attack against you (Bengazi) would be a lot harder than disseminating information on an attack you planned. It’s really difficult for me to understand where you people keep coming up with this time frame.
RB from Gwinnett
November 5th, 2012
12:01 pm
Sorry, Jay, but no 2-bit blog writer is going to convince the people who actually care what happened in Libya to stop asking questions. From Foxnews.com this morning..
“”1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel who are on loan to the agency. They don’t leave Benghazi airport until 4:30. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport, obtaining vehicles, and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they correctly suspect is already dead. But the hospital is surrounded by the Al Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Shariah militia that mounted the consulate attack.”
So the U.S. Ambassador to Libya is at the Benghazi hospital and suspected dead. The CIA contractors know that, but they can’t get there because the hospital is surrounded by the Al Qaeda-linked group Ansar al Shariah, the “militia that mounted the consulate attack.”
This goes up the chain communication at 1:15 a.m. on Sept. 12. The White House, the Situation Room, and all of those paying attention to intel channels know that the guys on the ground have determined the group that’s behind this. It’s the Al Qaeda-linked militia that are still fighting and have the hospital surrounded.”
So, Jay, when you’re done with all the other BS “divert, dodge, and deny” stories, how about you tell us where in this picture the BS story about the youtube video comes into play. You know, Jay, the video they were blaming this crap on for 2 full weeks after the attack.
You’re a hopeless stooge, Jay. Atlanta deserves better.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
12:01 pm
Christianity is not a religion and I have already explained. But, not being a Christian, you would not understand. I don’t hate you because you are not a Christian…… have good day.
Bob
November 5th, 2012
12:02 pm
History will judge this Presidency as one of the most successful in history. Think like it’s 2012 not 1861. Just think. What really drives you. Forget what your neighbors. YOU, just think.
williebkind
November 5th, 2012
12:02 pm
Media’s coverage of 2012 race was a war on truth and no matter who wins, the American public loses
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
12:04 pm
getalife – would the left cooperate? Same answer and Hairy Weed said as much last week. Neither side is willing to cooperate. TERM LIMITS for Congress.
No
November 5th, 2012
12:05 pm
Don’t you realize that calling out “white racists” makes you the racist in the room?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
12:06 pm
Media’s coverage of 2012 race was a war on truth and no matter who wins, the American public loses
And so the capitulation begins….
getalife
November 5th, 2012
12:06 pm
Paul,
Holtz is having a good year picking winners.
Alabama did not play their best football but still managed to win.
Championship teams get it done.
DownInAlbany
November 5th, 2012
12:06 pm
500 Admirals and Generals Endorse Gov. Romney Today
I would guess because they know they cannot trust the current administration. Go ahead, jump on me, won’t change my mind.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
12:07 pm
History will judge Obama and the far left as an economic failure that takes us over edge of the fiscal cliff in his 2nd term – if reelected.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
12:07 pm
TERM LIMITS for Congress.
We already have TERM LIMITS, they’re called ELECTIONS.
Morality?
November 5th, 2012
12:08 pm
Obama’s Dems are paying out millions to install bird houses in forests that are already abundant with natural bird habitat while Bhengazi burns.
Wasting time here no doubt
November 5th, 2012
12:08 pm
Where will all the little propagandists go when their self-respect and credibility disappear forever in the crush of the truth? What happens to your infantile prating when your little rag is gone forever? Speak up, Jay. I can’t hear you . . . and nobody else appears to be listening . . .
getalife
November 5th, 2012
12:08 pm
no morals,
Yeah, mitt thought he could end ObamaCare and Medicare and the left would cooperate.
mitt is not real and will be gone.
curious
November 5th, 2012
12:08 pm
Hope all those big time contributors to the various candidates get a good return on their investment.
Unless they want nothing but a better life for all Americans.
They BOTH suck
November 5th, 2012
12:09 pm
getalife
Have to give Bama credit on that last drive, but Myles coached you guys out of the game.
The 4th and 2 run instead of a FG attempt then an FG attempt instead of a punt in efforts to pin Bama inside the 10.
Mett looked good. Receivers dropped some key passes.
LSU is probably the best 2 loss team and better than many 1 loss teams.
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
12:10 pm
What happens to your infantile prating when your little rag is gone forever?
Isn’t it deliciously ironic that an infantile prater whines about infantile prating?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 5th, 2012
12:11 pm
RB — “Sorry, Jay, but no 2-bit blog writer is going to convince the people who actually care what happened in Libya to stop asking questions”
Fight The Power, RB! (laughing, pointing)
curious
November 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
DownInAlbany
November 5th, 2012
12:06 pm
500 Admirals and Generals Endorse Gov. Romney Today
“I would guess because they know they cannot trust the current administration. Go ahead, jump on me, won’t change my mind”
Trust Obama for what?
That he won’t keep feeding the Military-Industrial Complex?
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
Christianity is not a religion…
This made up out of thin air nonsense and insanity AGAIN?
Lordy be…
Bob
November 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
What do you really care about?
Did you donate to the familie memorial?
No, you’re just in the cycle trying to start a fire.
Envy vs jealousy
You really hate seeing the President do good.
We’ve never ha any President who knowingly allowed an ambassadors death.
Poisoning the water.
Not a real American. Just exploit the dead.
Beyond The Middle of the Road
November 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
All I’d like to say is regardless of your political leanings please vote tomorrow if you already haven’t.
DownInAlbany
November 5th, 2012
12:13 pm
Finally, there had been no “lasering” of the mortar position used to attack the CIA annex in the second phase of the assault. (That second phase occurred more than seven hours after the attack on the consulate had ended). There was no reason to use a laser in that fashion — the SEALs knew they had no air cover to intervene — and more importantly, no opportunity to do so.
Sources who have debriefed the team that was at the CIA annex the night of the attack in Benghazi say that the CIA operators from the Global Response Staff, or GRS, were equipped with Mark 48 machine guns and had two types of laser capability. Each weapon had both a “passive” as well as a “visible” laser that could be used against the Libyan attackers.
The presence of laser capability on the roof of the CIA annex confirms what Fox News sources that night in Benghazi originally said, which is that they had laser capability and for 5 hours and 15 minutes were wondering where the usual overhead air support was, especially since, according to this source, they radioed from the annex beginning as early as midnight asking for it.
The presence of lasers raises more questions about why air support was not sent to Benghazi even protectively once it became clear that the fighting had followed the CIA rescue team back to the annex.
U.S. military officials say they “thought the fighting was over” after the team left the consulate and that there was a lull in the fighting.
Whose source is reliable?
larry
November 5th, 2012
12:13 pm
I have seen several on here blaming Obama and his policies or his stances calling him all sorts of things from dumb to weak, saying these people are dead because of him. Well pointing out a little history here on Embassy attacks.
Under President Eisenhower in 1958 the Ankara Turkey Embassy was attacked.
3 under Embassies were attacked under President Nixon (Phonm Penh, Manila and Nicosia) with a total of 3 killed.
The 1983 Beruit Embassy attack was under President Reagan’s watch which killed 63 employees and contractors total 17 being Americans. There were also 6 more Embassy attacks during his Presidency with a total of 31 more killed.
Under George HW Bush there was an RPG attack on the Bogata Embassy.
Under George W Bush there were 11 attacks on US Embassies with a total of 60 killed.
If this one is Obama’s fault because he is a “bad leader” wouldn’t you have to say all the others above were bad leaders too? Embassies were attacked under their watch and in many cases more people were lost. If not how do you justify saying Obama is responsible for this while the others weren’t when the same things happened while they were President?