GOP believes it benefits by making voting difficult

Republicans believe — for valid statistical and historic reasons — that lower voter turnout increases their odds of success. So they have not been shy about using a variety of means, legal and otherwise, to try to keep voter participation as low as possible.

In Virginia, the state has begun an investigation into the destruction of voter-registration forms by a company that was hired by the state Republican Party. On Sunday, Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli sent out an email to his fellow Republicans, celebrating the fact that “when I looked yesterday, so far there are over 357,000 absentee votes cast. That’s barely over 70 percent of the 2008 total. That’s bad for them.”

In Ohio, Secretary of State Jon Husted, also a Republican, had to be forced by federal court order to open early voting to all Ohio citizens. Long voting lines over the weekend in Ohio testified to the importance of that ruling. Husted also had to be forced by court order to count votes that are accidentally cast in the wrong precinct because of poll-worker, not voter, error. Husted was more than willing to just toss those votes aside, stripping those who cast them of their right to be heard.

Furthermore, as the Toledo Blade reports, “Thousands of absentee ballot applications may have been rejected because Mr. Husted’s office did not send 33,000 updated registration records to local election officials until after the deadline for changes.”

The biggest problems, however, are occurring in a state all too familiar with election litigation and controversy. With immensely long lines already apparent throughout the state, Florida Gov. Rick Scott refused to extend early voting opportunities, breaking with the precedent set by his two predecessors in the office, both of whom were Republican. And in what may have been a freelance effort to shut down voting — nobody in an official capacity would ever approve such a stunt — early voting was interrupted Saturday at a Democratic precinct in Winter Park by the discovery of two “suspicious packages,” which had to be destroyed by a bomb disposal unit.

As Andrew Cohen writes in The Atlantic:

” … what is happening this weekend in Florida is simply unacceptable. According to a local election official interviewed by CBS News’ Phil Hirschkorn, the last “early voter” in line for Saturday’s truncated early voting in Palm Beach County finally got to cast a ballot at 2:30 Sunday morning, which means that voter waited in line for more than seven hours. In Miami, another traditional Democratic stronghold, the wait was said to be nearly as long. On Sunday, voters all over the state were begging judges and county officials for more time to vote.

This is happening not because of a natural disaster or a breakdown in machinery. It is happening by partisan design. Alarmed by the strong Democratic turnout in early voting in 2008, Republican lawmakers, including Gov. Rick Scott, reduced the number of early-voting days from 14 to eight….

If Florida’s election officials, and its Republican lawmakers, and its state and federal judges, all were required to stand in line for seven hours to vote, those long lines would go away forever. You know it, I know it, and so do those officials.”

No public official — no American patriot — ought to try to discourage fellow Americans from voting. No political party ought to advance its own prospects by trying to reduce rather than increase participation in the most fundamental rite and right of democratic self-government.

Because if that’s your route to power, you’re doomed to failure in the long term, and you ought to be.

– Jay Bookman

558 comments Add your comment

bleary

November 5th, 2012
12:47 pm

But if everyone gets a vote then the Koch brothers votes don’t count as much. And they are the real Americans! Just ask them.

Steve

November 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

Shouldn’t there be some kind of Federal oversite on these obvious attempts to suppress voter turnout??

N-GA

November 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

Stealing elections, one vote at a time………

Sherman captures Georgia starring Eminem

November 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

heard that he has been spotted near Hinesville….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s

TaxPayer

November 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

Obviously Republicans are incapable of winning fairly so they have to resort to cheating. It’s their nature.

Mick

November 5th, 2012
12:49 pm

Got up early saturday morning to vote in miami, by the time I got there at 6:30 the line was around the building. Finally cast my vote at approx. 9:45, the ballot was ten pages. What a crock of shyte! Do they care? No, and that’s part of the problem. However, it works against republican voting too – epic fail led by rick “the disaster” scott. Never trust a man with two first names…

N-GA

November 5th, 2012
12:50 pm

We have people like Jimmy Carter travel to other countries to verify the integrity of elections. It seems we need to do more of that here at home.

Freedom Riders 2012

November 5th, 2012
12:51 pm

moonbat betty

November 5th, 2012
12:51 pm

Oh my, you have to wait in a line to vote??!!

Call in the UN and Black Panthers!

Good thing Obama changed the period to an exclamation mark in his FORWARD proclamation.

BuckeyeInGa

November 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

That tactic is actually backfiring. There is a huge voter turnout.

East Lake Ira

November 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

We may get a fair election this time but it will take some fighting via the court system.

If the GOP wins though, this will be our last one for a long long time.

MiltonMan

November 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

Funny that Jay mentions absolutely nothing about Obama preventing military personnel from voting in Ohio:

http://aclj.org/us-constitution/obama-trying-limit-military-voting-rights

Jm

November 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

Jay’s not up to date

They’ve extended early voting in FL

Fox spins the news

So does Jay, so you can’t believe much he has to say…

Union

November 5th, 2012
12:54 pm

the whole virginia story is kind of weird..

“On Monday, a manager of a retail store in Harrisonburg, Va. allegedly spotted a man throwing a bag containing eight completed voter registration forms into a dumpster before driving off in a black car with Pennsylvania licenses plates. The manager, Rob Johnson, spotted the same car the next day outside of the GOP’s Harrisonburg Victory Office, located down the street.”

retail must be slow if he is watching dumpsters.. checking the contents and writing down tag numbers..

East Lake Ira

November 5th, 2012
12:54 pm

MiltonMan = Liar.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
12:55 pm

If the Republicans had nominated anyone worth a crap they wouldn’t have to resort to these tactics. But in order to get the nod from Norquist, they have to pass a purity test.

Get rid of Norquist and these shenanigans are unnecessary.

BRW

November 5th, 2012
12:56 pm

MilkMan, Keep repeating it to yourself. Eventually even YOU will believe it.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
12:57 pm

union, that seemed odd to me too. But if you own or work at the business that has rented the Dumpster, you might keep an eye on other people dumping in it, correct?

MiltonMan

November 5th, 2012
12:57 pm

“MiltonMan = Liar.”

East Lake Ira = 3rd grade reading comprehension skills.

SBinf

November 5th, 2012
12:57 pm

“If the Republicans had nominated anyone worth a crap they wouldn’t have to resort to these tactics. But in order to get the nod from Norquist, they have to pass a purity test.”

Is there anyone in the GOP worth a crap? Maybe Huntsman, but that’s about the only decent Republican I can name extemporaneously.

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
12:58 pm

“Republicans believe — for valid statistical and historic reasons”

Can you cite some sources for this conclusion?

Otherwise it could be that for every election, we just want to be sure that those casting votes are legally allowed to vote.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
12:59 pm

“Funny that Jay mentions absolutely nothing about Obama preventing military personnel from voting in Ohio:

That’s because Obama didn’t do that. Nobody did. It was yet another in a seemingly endless list of fabrications by the right. Because apparently, it is impossible to maintain faith in the conservative creed without such fabrications.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
1:00 pm

“Funny that Jay mentions absolutely nothing about Obama preventing military personnel from voting in Ohio”

When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
1:00 pm

” But if you own or work at the business that has rented the Dumpster, you might keep an eye on other people dumping in it, correct?”

Shouldn’t the same care be exercised on those who are casting votes?

deegee

November 5th, 2012
1:00 pm

Maybe we can get some folks from Iraq to come over and verify the integrity of our elections.

Jerome Horwitz

November 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

Friday night made the mistake of listening to two guys discussing how you needed a basic level of education to vote – and mocking the Obama phone women. They were disparaging the education level of Democratic voters. Well, I hope they have a chance to listen to these obviously above average Republicans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY0M7IdNl7U&feature=g-u-u

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

retail must be slow if he is watching dumpsters.. checking the contents and writing down tag numbers..

This time of year dumpsters are locked up in the N.C. Mtns.

Florida folk are closing down the mountain home to migrate to Fla. for the winter and always have a summer’s worth of trash accumulated to throw away.

willie lynch

November 5th, 2012
1:02 pm

Smaller turnout = smaller voting electorate = smaller minds. This is definitely the perfect scenario for the GOP.

DawgDad

November 5th, 2012
1:03 pm

Come on, people. Look around you, look at your local precinct polling place. Where is the Republican-led voter suppression? Come on, now. Where is it? Tell me.

Georgians have little control over what happens in Ohio and Florida and other States. We can run an orderly ship here in Georgia, and in my precinct and county they certainly do.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
1:04 pm

No public official — no American patriot — ought to try to discourage fellow Americans from voting. No political party ought to advance its own prospects by trying to reduce rather than increase participation in the most fundamental rite and right of democratic self-government.

True. America is all about action. If your governance is good and right for this country, you should be rewarded with votes accordingly during elections. We should be working towards ensuring as much participation by all who are eligible as opposed to trying to create “security” by limiting people.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
1:04 pm

And if jm can document his claim that early voting has been extended in Florida, he is more than welcome to post a link to that effect.

Mr. Snarky

November 5th, 2012
1:05 pm

These types of things are proof that the Repubs don’t really care about democratic principals…they only care about pursuing power by any means necessary. Too bad for them that they have such a lousy message.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:06 pm

Is there anyone in the GOP worth a crap? Maybe Huntsman, but that’s about the only decent Republican I can name extemporaneously.

I saw Huntsman do a couple of the late shows a few months ago after Romney won the primary and I thought, wow if they’d just nominated this guy, Obama wouldn’t stand a chance with the undecideds.

BRW

November 5th, 2012
1:06 pm

DawgDad, Supression will only have an effect on states that are close on the voting. GA is not in play and would be a waste of time.

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
1:06 pm

Child, please

November 5th, 2012
1:08 pm

No mention of the letters sent to (mostly) Republicans in FL indicating that they had to essentially re-validate certain of their information in person to be able to vote, failure to show up would result in them being ineligible? Tricks (not done by Democratic Party members, I’m sure) are as old as elections themselves. The Kennedys use to call all the Nixon party phone lines and then leave theirs off the hook (in those days, that made teh other line unusable if you did not hang up your phone). People cheat to win elections, it’s as old as time itself because of the payoff for winning (being in power).
Yes, please don’t mention the open attempts to reduce voting by military personnel, that’s just plain shameful. A new low, someone puts their life at risk to defend you and they don’t want them voting?

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November 5th, 2012
1:08 pm

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DawgDad

November 5th, 2012
1:09 pm

“DawgDad, Supression will only have an effect on states that are close on the voting. GA is not in play and would be a waste of time.”

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20121105_Will_New_Black_Panthers_be_back_this_year_.html

USA Patriot

November 5th, 2012
1:09 pm

Oh Jay, puuuulllllleeeezzzze! As if the democratic / union machines in IL, NY, MI, OH, MN, WI, etc. are as pure as the wind driven snow come election / voting times. Since when is it a rite / right to have early voting? Why can’t people just vote on election day?? Sheesh!

BRW

November 5th, 2012
1:10 pm

Child, for sure, Read the story. No elimination for the military, just opened up the same number of days for EVERYONE……

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:10 pm

PAPER: New Black Panthers ‘may monitor some polling stations’…

drudgey spam

DownInAlbany

November 5th, 2012
1:10 pm

GOP believes it benefits by making voting difficult. You libs believe any crap Jay thows out there, yet, the following is “drudgey spam”

NAACP Takes Over Houston Polling Station, Advocates for President Obama

In 3, 2, 1…

Jay

November 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

That’s right Common. Early voting extended in four of Florida’s 67 counties.

Everywhere else in the state, no luck.

St Simons

November 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

Ask Rick Scott & the holy rollers down here in 2014 if they benefitted

heheheh

BRW

November 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

So PA will not be close, what the heck does your like prove?

barking frog

November 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

All republican voters are born with
proper documentation to vote but
democrats are not and must be
subjected to an obstacle course
to prove their worthiness to vote.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

“perhaps name calling today is drop in bucket.”

now that, Stevie Ray, is 100 percent guaranteed. I wonder what the over/under would be on the number of folks I’m going to have to ban by Wednesday evening.

Mr. Snarky

November 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

“Why can’t people just vote on election day?? Sheesh!”

Some people have to work.

Thulsa Doom

November 5th, 2012
1:13 pm

Looks like Obama is going to win. But just in case he loses the libs do want to have they excuses ready.

Mr. Snarky

November 5th, 2012
1:13 pm

For example, I’m going to be out of town tomorrow for work.
Fortunately, I was able to vote last week.

GT

November 5th, 2012
1:14 pm

They don’t want a democracy. They just talk like they do, they don’t want freedom of the press, and it is a democracy to a finite universe made up of themselves. It gets so desperate this time around you really start wondering how much are the guys really stealing from us. They have lied, legislated and judicated against the will of the people.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:14 pm

NAACP Takes Over Houston Polling Station, Advocates for President Obama

Almost two week old, spoiled, multiple posted, stinky drudgey spam.

Not my fault you’re embarrassed by drudgey, sport.

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Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

That’s right Bookman. It was extended.

Election day is Tuesday. Much ado about nothing.

I am sure if democrats could just sign over proxies so they would not even have to go and vote themselves, they would.

At some point you suck it up and do what needs to be done.

And if it is too hard to show and ID and vote on Tuesday, after four years of knowing EXACTLY when the election would be, I am not sure there is anyone that can help you.

Thulsa Doom

November 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

What are the odds on Fred being the first to suffer the wrath of blog sheriff Bookman. And that’s assuming Obama wins.

Jm

November 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

Jay 1:04

Just the morning news this AM showing people still in line voting

God bless them, they’ve been standing in line long enough….

I don’t know if it’s statewide or just a local thing, but down here they’ve still been voting

indigo

November 5th, 2012
1:16 pm

“if that’s your route to power, you’re doomed to failure in the long run”

Romney has shown that his “route to power” is to flip-flop, do 180’s and lie as much as necessary to win the election.

Therefore, it’s no suprise his Party will be completely unpatriotic and
“try to discourage fellow Americans from voting”.

This kind of political abuse got us eight years of George W. Bush and resulted in the great Bush depression and thousands of American service men and women losing their lives.

And yet, fully half the Country wants a Bush clone to be elected tommorrow. Let’s just hope American hasn’t dumbed down enough for that to happen.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:16 pm

Early voting was extended by a COURT ORDER because of all of the shenanigans to a small number of counties.

Great spin at 12:53 Jm.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:17 pm

I don’t know if it’s statewide or just a local thing…

Walking it back after stepping in it.

Too funny!

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

And Dems believe that voting twice ans dead is a good benefit, just say’n. CNN poll today has it 49-49 nationally with a +9 Dem sampling and +22 to Romney independents. Hang on brothers and sisters.

barking frog

November 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Why no holiday on election day ?

DownInAlbany

November 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:14 pm

NAACP Takes Over Houston Polling Station, Advocates for President Obama

Almost two week old, spoiled, multiple posted, stinky drudgey spam.

Not my fault you’re embarrassed by drudgey, sport.

Prove it…

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

“Looks like Obama is going to win. But just in case he loses the libs do want to have they excuses ready.”

What an ironic post.

Thulsa Doom

November 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Something tells me Jays itchy ban trigger button finger is gonna get a workout Wednesday.

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

“But just in case he loses the libs do want to have they excuses ready.”

Dude, you are fooling yourselves if you do not think that the excuses will be raining out of the sky if Romney loses.

Goes both ways.

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Maybe it’s time to start bringing in international election monitors.

St Simons

November 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Democrats are waiting 7 hours to vote down here across the state line

Rick Scott (R-Voldemort) is at 25%, so he is trying to stop them.
He knows he & his holy rollers are gone in ‘14
So he’s scorching the earth on his way down.

Jm

November 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Why do you need to extend early voting if there isn’t a line anyway?

They extended it here because of very long lines

Even so, one can still go vote tomorrow, and I think the lines will be much shorter because all the precincts will be open

I’ll post something about the south FL lines tomorrow

Hopefully Mick will do the same

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

On the topic of decent Republicans, I’d like to put Buddy Roemer’s name in consideration.

Mick

November 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

The flip side? I do believe all the election day tactics have had the oposite effect; the people are energized to vote and not let them get away with it, higher turnout favors the dems…

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

yourself

excuse me

BRW

November 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

“Why no holiday on election day ?”
Because, GD forbid, it might allow the unwashed masses the opportunity to, you know, decide the election……

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

a simple picture ID might work cowboy….but we know Dems won’t like that

Welcome to the Occupation

November 5th, 2012
1:21 pm

Jay.

I’ve been surprised to learn that some commentators have never actually heard the famous (infamous) Paul Weyrich “goo goo government” diatribe which pretty much laid out the rationale for what we’re seeing today in the plainest of terms. If you haven’t heard it before, it’s essential listening.

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes

Jefferson

November 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

The GOP and their supporters are most like the old Soviets.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

will the "REAL" Mitt Romney please stand up

November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

a simple picture ID might work cowboy….

“[A] simple picture ID” is not sufficient, but a national biometric ID might be.

ad

November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

Studies on how to keep Democrats from voting is one area of science that the GOP embraces.

mark in mid-town

November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

The trend has been to make it easier and easier to vote. At what point is it too easy? Is it good for voting to get easier and easier? Do voters at least have the responsibility to educate themselves just somewhat so that they have a clue as to why they are voting as they are? What bothers me about voting being too easy is that it basically allows the Democratic Party to try and game the system. For example, the ridiculous amount of early voting in a lot of places allows the Democratic Party machine to re-boot on a daily basis doing nothing more than trying to round up the ignorant and apathetic who can’t be bothered to vote unless they’re led there like a horse to water. It’s the modern day equivalent of ballot stuffing, but it’s perfectly legal. The counter to that is that absentee voting benefits Republicans. Maybe that should be trimmed back as well. But the point of absentee voting was not to make it easier for the apathetic and disinterested to vote. Rather, the point of absentee balloting was so that people who were too busy working or traveling for business or spending 75+ hrs per week running their own businesses would be able to vote. Such people are among the least apathetic of voters and know exactly what the issues are and why they’re voting as they are. They’re not being round up like sheep, which for all intents and purposes, is how the Democratic Party attempts to exploit early voting.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

Hard to find the “Redskins” theory talked about much Nationally today…….Oh yea, Redskins lose, incumbent loses……….Yea, it’s only hogwash when it doesn’t go your way.

Jm

November 5th, 2012
1:24 pm

JHM

Mitch Daniels
Chris Christie

USA Patriot

November 5th, 2012
1:24 pm

Mr. Snarky – Absentee ballot seems to work.

ad

November 5th, 2012
1:25 pm

Kamchak – you know that a national biometric id would be seen as “the mark of the beast” by a large swath of the population – esp. here in the South. I’m not sure why having to have a picture id isn’t seen the same way.

ad

November 5th, 2012
1:26 pm

Redskins theory? But what about the Bama/LSU theory? Bama wins, Dem wins.

guy

November 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

Does the AJC actually pay this guy for what he does?What a bunch of junk! Wow!!!!!!!

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

Redskin theory has more clout and longer standing . Been correct 17 of 18 times.

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

“a simple picture ID might work cowboy….but we know Dems won’t like that”

This might be a reason: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/11/03/peggys-story-the-cruel-cynicism-of-the-voter-id-crusade/

Mick

November 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

jm

The problem is the damn ballot, eleven state referendums that are duplicitious, too wordy, and not at all needed! Every one of them could have passed our repub legislature but…the tactic was to load up the ballot so that it would take precious time to vote thereby causing people to be frustrated with the lines and give up. The people down here have shown up en masse, they are not going to let it happen. Rick “the disaster” scott shortened the voting time from 14 days to eight, does that not tell you anything about what’s up in 2012?

Hurst

November 5th, 2012
1:31 pm

I’m a…., the the Redskins theory was proven wrong in 2004, that’s why.

Ken

November 5th, 2012
1:31 pm

Double standard by the media. No surprise. N.Y. needs help !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worse than Katrina. And another storm on the way .

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

From the “Wow, I didn’t see that coming department”.

A week ago Gallup had Romney up by 5 (LV). Their final poll today has Romney up by just 1, Gallup is calling it a tie.

Looks like Obama got a 4 point Benghazi bump! (Or maybe the Gallup LV model is crap.)

Thurston Howell III

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

Well, Muffy and I sent our absentee ballots and I don’t see why everyone doesn’t do it that way. You just have to sign some silly little affirmation that there is no way you can vote in person – just a little white lie. So sophisticated.

Krystal'sBalls

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

GOP – GrandOPressors

Consider the notice SERVED.

A new day has dawned in the U.S.A. No longer will the PEOPLE allow themselves to be marginalized. Our resourcefulness, stamina, and DETERMINATION will outlast and overwhelm you today and going FORWARD!! This is just the beginning of cleaning up the filth of obstruction, diviseness and hatred. Either fall in line or be left behind. Really there is no other option. Please don’t get it confused. That false sense of power because of money, “God” and yes even guns. I put it that way because in many ways you show God to not be in you. I heard something so profound last night – “the work and service of one’s hands is holier than the prayers of their lips”. THAT’S the movement of God in people – compassion and common cause, regardless of who you are.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

Don’t forget to video the vote if you see improprieties. Get it on tape.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

Is it good for voting to get easier and easier?

Absodamnlutely!

Do voters at least have the responsibility to educate themselves just somewhat so that they have a clue as to why they are voting as they are?

Nope, this is America.

No fascists here telling us who is qualified to vote and who isn’t. ALL American citizens not otherwise ineligible, have the constitutionally guaranteed right to franchise. (Notwithstanding that idiot last night who contended otherwise.)

And as soon as our modern day Jim Crow boys in the GOP get OK with that, the more they will earn some respect…

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

That’s right Common. Early voting extended in four of Florida’s 67 counties.

Equal Protection Bro!!!!!! However, the GOP doesn’t believe in equal outcome of equal protection.

:)

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

JAY

Do you suppose the DEMS are going to again go with David Boies to dispute outcome if GOP wins? Perhaps he is already on retainer..??

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:33 pm

…you know that a national biometric id would be seen as “the mark of the beast” by a large swath of the population – esp. here in the South.

Absolutely, but it would be a step in the direction of a “valid ID” to address the whiner’s complaints about voting and illeeeegalz. It would also have to be produced and distributed to the estimated 311,000,000 some odd residents in this country, along with producing and maintaining a database along with a department to administer this ID — and an “ID Czar” to run this dept.

I’m not sure why having to have a picture id isn’t seen the same way.

I’m not either, but I have ceased trying to understand the mind of the deranged.

OBIWAN

November 5th, 2012
1:34 pm

This is one of the biggest liberal lies out there, I would not expect anything less from you Jay, but repeating a lie does not make it true…If you believe the lies you are saying, then the cops should not be allowed to ask for your ID when you get pulled over, or a liquor store to ask for an ID, right? Do you losers realize that you can get a free ID card from the state? I guess the airlines should not ask for ID also, but I could go on forever on the stupidly of the lie that the left keeps repeating…

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
1:34 pm

KRYSTALSNUTS

That’s quite a rallying cry…whats the plan to proceed?

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:35 pm

CNN poll out this AM has got to have Dems troubled . 49-49 tie with a +9 Dem sampling. Has Romney up 22 with independents. Being reported as a close race……Well, what else they gonna say…LOL

MANGLER

November 5th, 2012
1:35 pm

Things I notice when I’ve voted over the years. Having moved a few times in four States, my precinct was different each election. There were times when I was in a more heavily populated area which was , based on observation only, more heavily minority populated and by all antidotal evidence, Liberal. There were times when I was in a more suburban or wealthier part of town (gotta love apartment hopping sometimes) which was by all observational data, white and conservative. Every election I voted in when my district was urban and liberal was in a small room inside of a much larger library or civic center, was under staffed, had malfunctioning machines or they weren’t all operating on voting day, did not provide ballot descriptions ahead of time while waiting, or didn’t even have working A/C and was rather uncomfortable inside, and had very long lines, typically from 30 minutes to almost 2 hours on the Presidential election.
I wouldn’t have noticed the stark contrasts had each and every time I voted in a conservative district it was an entirely different experience. Each time was in a church (which I’ve always found odd), offered many more voting machines that the other precincts did, had so much staff they greeted you in the parking lot and were there at each bend or turn on the way into the building, handed out ballot initiatives for you to pre fill out or read while waiting in line, had A/C and was comfortable inside, and lacked a long line. Between immediate and 10 minutes was what I got each time.
And looking around at who was in those precincts voting was also very telling. Discouraging urban liberal voters is something I’ve seen every time I’ve voted. If you’re angry about that in an urban liberal setting, get out and see what your neighboring suburban conservative polling stations look like at the same exact time. Then you’ll be furious.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:35 pm

“Do you suppose the DEMS are going to again go with David Boies to dispute outcome if GOP wins?”

Maybe they should call the Republican lawyer that handled the Minnesota senate fight a few years back.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 5th, 2012
1:36 pm

They’re not being round up like sheep, which for all intents and purposes, is how the Democratic Party attempts to exploit early voting.

So, getting people to the voting booths is exploiting early voting? You admit you subscribe to the what Jay is railing against here.

Mr. Snarky

November 5th, 2012
1:36 pm

“Mr. Snarky – Absentee ballot seems to work.”

Not if you don’t have much advanced notice.

Voting should be easy…obviously controls should be in place, but one person being deprived of their vote is a terrible thing. That is why we should err on the side of voter encouragement vs. fraud prevention.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
1:36 pm

Stevie Ray, I don’t know who they’ve hired, and I very much hope I don’t learn who they hired, because that would be a very bad sign. But I have no doubt whatsoever that both parties already have a full contingent of lawyers straining at the leash to be sicced on the other side.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 5th, 2012
1:37 pm

CNN poll out this AM has got to have Dems troubled

Not at all.

Vote for 2 Pot Pies in every Oven

November 5th, 2012
1:38 pm

Hi folks do you know in the constitution of Usa there is no federal are that you are made to vote//Not in any law..Just have right vote at age 18 in all states….Look it up folks now Jay not cause Neal Boortz use be on AJC till they fired off…Further more if turn out is huge rommey will win if other well for more years of lettin Muslims take over Usa!

Justin Addison

November 5th, 2012
1:38 pm

I’m using Granny’s beetles to predict the election. They’re saying Obama. But, hey, I’m Justin Addision, so what do I know?

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:39 pm

If Obama wins, I will come on here and give congrats. Book it…..How about any of you if it’s the other way?

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
1:39 pm

JAY

Where is Clarence Darrow when you needed him?

Who was the cretin who argued in favor of Citizens BS? He must be pretty damn good to pull that off…or the guy who got Roberts to re-define mandate as tax…

Mr. Snarky

November 5th, 2012
1:40 pm

Hmmm…if you can’t convince people of your position, you deserve to lose…plain and simple. All this BS about democrats “rounding people up” to vote is nuts. If you don’t want democracy, move to China.

ideasbm

November 5th, 2012
1:40 pm

I cannot believe anyone with the Chicago mafia, who has stolen a many of elections for the Dems, would say anything about voting fraud. Kennedy comes to mind. But what the republicans want is a fair election free of fraud and voting often just like Bookman does. What a fruitcake he is and all of the people on this string that agrees with him. This is coming from an independent voter.

larry

November 5th, 2012
1:40 pm

If people are tired of the President and the Republicans believe so strongly in their message, then why are they trying to keep people from voting ?

By the way, I am a voter ID supporter. I dont support the way the states are implementing it.

But why are Republicans so intent on keeping people from voting ? Did they ever think they might be keeping Republicans from voting ?

I dont understand.

joe

November 5th, 2012
1:41 pm

When you have to present ID to buy alcohol, board an airplane, access a political convention, etc, then why is it presenting ID to vote is anything different? Where is the outrage when you go to the supermarket to buy a damn six pack? It’s the same thing.

The only reason Libs want to make an issue of this is because it directly affects illegals, who in turn affect Dem candidates. Case closed.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:42 pm

Amen Joe. You nailed it

KARMA - you reap what you sow

November 5th, 2012
1:42 pm

What you do will come back to you.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:43 pm

Remember the “well, they ask for id at the bank to cash a check”, and all the other examples given to defend the voter id laws?

Well how about this. Internet voting. After all I can pay bills over the internet and even make deposits through the internet now, without showing id!

Republicans would hate internet voting, they hate democracy.

Krystal'sBalls

November 5th, 2012
1:43 pm

Just as I stated Lil’ Ray Ray.., and spend the next 4 years watching you whine like a little baby who soiled his diaper. Cheers!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

I wonder what the over/under would be on the number of folks I’m going to have to ban by Wednesday evening.

Well, if the librul Democrat (Marxist Kenyan Communist) wins, I hope you ban this #1 Foxy Lady after she gets on here and tells us Republicans to do a lewd act. It’s always the same with her but I never seen you ban her.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

Democrats believe they benefit by eliminating all integrity in the voting process. If you want to invalidate the selection of an honest vote, don’t allow simple identity verification – makes it a lot easier to cheat.

Democrats similarly believe they benefit by allowing felons to vote, and people who have no meaningful historical tie to the country – the quid pro quo is “more welfare.” Vote buying, the Illinois way.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

Ima Librul — “a simple picture ID might work cowboy….but we know Dems won’t like that”

Of course not. Picture IDs are too easily forged; any illegal immigrant could manage to vote if we set the bar that low.

What are you, some kind of minority-loving anti-American crazoid? Letting illegals vote?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:46 pm

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November 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

Joe – where is your proof that illegals voted? I certainly agree it would be wrong, but just haven’t seen anything saying it is real. They’d have to be on the voter rolls, or have to be impersonating someone who is on the rolls, but isn’t going to show up. Heck, there are Republicans who have gone on record saying that the whole idea is to keep the turnout low and that it could mean as much as a 3% swing in some states. Voting by the dead and illegals is really fun to talk about – like any science fiction.

Mr. Snarky

November 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

“The only reason Libs want to make an issue of this is because it directly affects illegals, who in turn affect Dem candidates. Case closed.”

Yes because illegals are looking to take risks. They sneak across the border and make their way to the swing states and vote illegally so Barack Obama will be President.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

If Obama wins, I will come on here and give congrats.

Under which name?

Mitt the Morpher?

LOL…

randy

November 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

Jm supports his claim that Jay is spinning the truth by failing to identify a single fact that Jay listed that is untrue or even slightly misleading. Regardless of whether they were ultimately successful in every single attempt, the point remains that Republicans in Florida and other states are subverting democracy through voter suppression.

Don't Tread

November 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

“No political party ought to advance its own prospects by trying to reduce rather than increase participation in the most fundamental rite and right of democratic self-government”

Yeah, I guess that’s why there “wasn’t enough evidence” to prosecute the Black Panthers, right? :roll:

And “increased participation” by those who have no right to vote is perfectly OK according to liberals, too.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:48 pm

joe, I can buy a ticket from an airline on the internet. I guess we should allow internet voting.

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November 5th, 2012
1:49 pm

Don’t tread – same question I asked earlier – where is all this voting by illegals happening? Who has been arrested? Is this a fact or something you heard on Fox News?

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
1:50 pm

KRYSTAL

We are screwed either way…I’m not supporting either….both represent the status quo…I’m within a couple-three decades of strapping on the diapers again…

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
1:50 pm

“Yeah, I guess that’s why there “wasn’t enough evidence” to prosecute the Black Panthers, right?”

That’s right. Because the “Black Panthers” were not involved.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
1:50 pm

R. Danneskjold — “Democrats believe they benefit by eliminating all integrity in the voting process. If you want to invalidate the selection of an honest vote, don’t allow simple identity verification – makes it a lot easier to cheat.”

How terrible for you that I’ve advocated — here on Jay’s several times — a national ID system with a MUCH higher level of security and integrity than anything any conservative poster here has done.

Your supposition is just plain wrong; your dishonesty is on display and your partisanship obvious. The fact of the matter is that Republicans don’t have a serious approach to the problem and only advocate feel-good quick fixes that don’t actually seal the loopholes; besides that, they don’t bother to address the security holes in the absentee voting system.

When you’re ready to get serious about the problem, Rags, get back to me. Until then, stop blowing smoke and wasting time.

ATL Tiger

November 5th, 2012
1:51 pm

“joe, I can buy a ticket from an airline on the internet. I guess we should allow internet voting.”

try getting on the plane without an id

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:51 pm

DannyX…you might buy a ticket, but you won’t get on a plane until your rectum has been examined.

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
1:51 pm

“Wisconsin State Journal is latest of 33 newspapers to flip endorsement from Obama in ’08 to Romney for president”

One has to wonder as the end of the race approaches, why not just one, but 33 newspapers that supported Obama in 08 have chosen to state publicly that Obama is not the best choice.

You can dismiss it at your own risk. But no POTUS making the right choices would have this occur

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
1:51 pm

ad — “Joe – where is your proof that illegals voted?”

Ask the cons where *their* proof is.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
1:52 pm

DannyX — “joe, I can buy a ticket from an airline on the internet. I guess we should allow internet voting.”

It’s part of the plan I’ve advocated.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
1:53 pm

“Joe – where is your proof that illegals voted?”

Yea where is the proof, joe? Maybe in Gwinnett County or a couple North Georgia counties with large illegal alien populations? Must be plenty of minorities on those school boards, county commissions, and other countywide offices.

Whoops, in fact in Gwinnett there is only 1 minority officeholder.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
1:53 pm

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
1:53 pm

“If you believe the lies you are saying, then the cops should not be allowed to ask for your ID when you get pulled over, or a liquor store to ask for an ID, right? Do you losers realize that you can get a free ID card from the state? I guess the airlines should not ask for ID”

Again, I need to ask, what botard equivocates buying a beer or airline travel with one of the most fundamental and precious rights enshrined by the Founding Fathers into our Constitution?

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
1:54 pm

FINN/IMALIBERAL

Both sides are anxious…there are more suffering from tightsphincteritis about the outcome than all the xanax in distribution could alleviate…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
1:55 pm

DannyX — “Yea where is the proof, joe? Maybe in Gwinnett County or a couple North Georgia counties with large illegal alien populations? Must be plenty of minorities on those school boards, county commissions, and other countywide offices. Whoops, in fact in Gwinnett there is only 1 minority officeholder.”

I know, right? :D

The cons are all up in arms over picture IDs — which can be FORGED — and they somehow think that will fix the problem they’re worried about. :D

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
1:55 pm

Dear Joe @ 1:50, I respectfully note that Jimmy Carter has also been a forceful advocate for photo id as prerequisite for voting. So you may modify my blanket statement to exclude you and Mr. Carter.

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
1:55 pm

BEST ever quote regarding the BLACK PANTHERS…

“I’m sorry I ruined your little black panther party..”
Forrest Gump

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November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

If you’re GOP, why not just admit that you’d like to suppress voter turnout? It fits right into the narrative that Dems want to take money from the “producers” and give it to the “moochers” in exchange for votes. Of course, it doesn’t matter that people supporting Obama are producers, too; and, it doesn’t matter that moochers can be billionaires wanting a new sports stadium or to raid your company’s pension fund with their leveraged buyouts.

Steve-USA

November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

“Republican lawmakers, including Gov. Rick Scott, reduced the number of early-voting days from 14 to eight…”

8 days to early-vote seems plenty to me.

GT

November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

Wonder if the Georgia right ever thought of relocating some of their surplus voters to the battleground states. There are polls saying they may poll 70% in Georgia, which may be 400,000 more votes than they need. Seems to me they should have done a freedom bus ride in reverse and taken some of that bigotry up north. Moved in some abandon houses say in Ohio and registered to vote, tip the election.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

Oh boy, if Obama wins, I’m excited about higher taxes, more entitlements, higher energy cost, more regulations, fewer jobs,higher premium less choice health care, 5-7 trillion more debt….all kinds of goodies.

Barrack Hussein Obama….Mum Mum Mum…

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
1:57 pm

Anybody hear of this one before?

There is news developing that TAGG ROMNEY owns voting machines in Ohio!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/19/1147245/-There-is-news-developing-that-TAGG-ROMNEY-owns-voting-machines-in-Ohio

I googled it and came up with a few articles nothing more………

Matti

November 5th, 2012
1:57 pm

Actually, Republicans believe they benefit by eliminating all integrity in the voting process. If you want to invalidate the selection of an honest vote, don’t allow **simple** identity verification – make it too complicated for the poor and elderly.

Republicans similarly believe they benefit by enabling unidentified special donors — people who have no meaningful historical tie to the country to dump unlimited amounts of money to the candidate they want to purchase. The quid pro quo is “welfare for the rich.” Vote buying, the Citizens United way.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
1:57 pm

Derek Hunter funny: “Liberals are warning about riots if Obama loses, Republicans are promising jobs if Romney wins. Which vision more closely represents hope?”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
1:58 pm

Oh boy, if Obama wins…

Doubling down on the capitulation.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
1:58 pm

“Again, I need to ask, what botard equivocates buying a beer or airline travel with one of the most fundamental and precious rights enshrined by the Founding Fathers into our Constitution?”

Alas, there is no Constitutional right to vote for POTUS.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
2:00 pm

Our president finally advocates a policy we conservatives can get behind: “Voting is the best revenge”

luangtom

November 5th, 2012
2:01 pm

Just one question to ask…..If this sitting President did so well during his first-term, why is it so close right now?

ATL Tiger

November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

Public Opinon polls favor Voter ID Laws

Jay’s earlier piece about Benghazi was a joke. He is still defending the lies about a youtube video. Where is his outrage at CBS witholding a 60 min video catching the President in a lie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvVMkWkCok

ad

November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

Joe HM, I believe I was asking the cons where their proof was. There are too many joes on this board.

td

November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

Jay

November 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

“perhaps name calling today is drop in bucket.”

now that, Stevie Ray, is 100 percent guaranteed. I wonder what the over/under would be on the number of folks I’m going to have to ban by Wednesday evening.

It depends on who is winning. If Romney is winning then I will predict that you are going to have to give several of your most loyal regulars a huge timeout. If Obama is winning I doubt that many of your right leaning regulars will come on and post but you will probably get a lot of people off the sports blogs that you will have to ban.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

“Liberals are warning about riots if Obama loses, Republicans are promising jobs if Romney wins. Which vision more closely represents hope?”

Funny…I heard it the other way around

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

Dear Matti @ 1:57, by “welfare for the rich” you mean “quit stealing individually earned wealth.”

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 1:50, I respectfully note that Jimmy Carter has also been a forceful advocate for photo id as prerequisite for voting. So you may modify my blanket statement to exclude you and Mr. Carter.”

Carter’s actually advocated for a National ID system, much along the lines of what I recommend. So I will modify your blanket statement to indicate that you’re once again pointedly leaving out things that make you look bad.

Mick

November 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

ragnar

Why do I and so many others find it difficult to believe romney promising jobs? Maybe because his record as governor was abysmal concerning jobs or is it because at bain his specialty was wrecking companies, squeezing out all the assets for himself and other cronies, then let the company wither on the vine. There’s just no proof or record to believe in that empty promise…

USA Patriot

November 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

Hey, KosherCowboy – you need to read up on the Constitution, there is nothing in it about “the right to vote”. There are many clauses and amendments detailing ways people can’t be denied the ability to vote, but nothing about voting as a “right”.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

Democrats believe they benefit when there are no requirements at all to vote. They prefer to allow non citizens, residents of other states, drunks, winos and even dead people. Democrats are famous for paying people to vote and to commit registration fraud. The examples of ACORN are well known and numerous. Democrats know they have no chance in a national election if voters are restricted to those who live in the district or state where their vote is cast, or that the voter be sober, registered, mentally competent and alive. Obamacare was rammed through congress because of a Minnesota democrat precinct where 500 more people voted for the Democrat Senatorial canidate, Al Franken, than were living in the precinct at the time. That election fraud gave the Democrat party a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate which resulted in a majority of the american people who opposed Obamacare to be disenfranchised by a dishonest political party and have their representation stolen by Democrat election fraud. That the election fraud was upheld by the Democrat controlled Minnesota Supreme Court is another example of politics being more important than the law and representive of the ease with which our country can be stolen right under our eyes… That is one example of many election frauds committed by the national Democrat party. We Republican prefer honest elections. It is a shame that Democrats prefer theft.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

“Voting is the best revenge”

For Republican governors try to suppress the vote.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
2:04 pm

What do we do with the 4 million Obama phones in the warehouse if Obama loses?

southpaw

November 5th, 2012
2:04 pm

Madge @1:57
Did this come up in your search?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/votingmachines.asp

If not, take a look. It’s a good read.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:04 pm

Luangtom — “Just one question to ask…..If this sitting President did so well during his first-term, why is it so close right now?”

I was asking that same question in 2004.

stands for decibels

November 5th, 2012
2:04 pm

“Why can’t people just vote on election day?? Sheesh!”

Some people have to work.

Also too: Some people remember 2000, and 2004.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
2:04 pm

The pollsters in 1980 said it was a dead heat, slight advantage to the democrat incumbent.

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November 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

luangtom

November 5th, 2012
2:01 pm

Just one question to ask…..If this sitting President did so well during his first-term, why is it so close right now

————
Well, have you ever heard the football announcers tell you in a 31-7 game that’s in its last 5 minutes to come back after the commercial because you never know what might happen?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

If Romney is winning then I will predict…

I will predict that gasoline will be less than $6 a gallon tomorrow.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

GT

November 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

ragnar danneskjold the talk shows yesterday are worried if Romney loses that the paranoia of the south may be at the ER stage. One of the writers that has covered the south for 30 years said he has never seen the mindless, baseless, pure paranoia stirred up in the south. I see it thick as mud down here, people physically sick over this election, and you rd show the way by suggestioning racial riots, I guess rednecks are a race.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

“Alas, there is no Constitutional right to vote for POTUS”

Ahhhh! A refinement to the Constitutional argument. And you are correct, but we DO have a Constitutional right to vote for the electors who vote for the President.

WHAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN?

November 5th, 2012
2:06 pm

What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies? We psychologists have been examining the origins of ideology ever since Hitler sent us Germany’s best psychologists, and we long ago reported that strict parenting and a variety of personal insecurities work together to turn people against liberalism, diversity, and progress. But now that we can map the brains, genes, and unconscious attitudes of conservatives, we have refined our diagnosis: conservatism is a partially heritable personality trait that predisposes some people to be cognitively inflexible, fond of hierarchy, and inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death. People vote Republican because Republicans offer “moral clarity”—a simple vision of good and evil that activates deep seated fears in much of the electorate. Democrats, in contrast, appeal to reason with their long-winded explorations of policy options for a complex world.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
2:06 pm

The guy who is sweating right now is the supplier of the EBT cards to the government. He has a lot riding on this thing.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

USA Patriot — “Hey, KosherCowboy – you need to read up on the Constitution, there is nothing in it about “the right to vote”. There are many clauses and amendments detailing ways people can’t be denied the ability to vote, but nothing about voting as a “right”.

If the Constitution explains how states and the Federal governmment *can’t* prevent you from doing something, it’s a dead certainty that that ’something’ is an individual right.

Tealiban Party

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

MiltonMan
November 5th, 2012
12:53 pm
Funny that Jay mentions absolutely nothing about Obama preventing military personnel from voting in Ohio:

If you are going to try to push your lies, then maybe you should have better evidence than some kooky right-wing nutjob website, also full of lies.

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/obama-not-trying-to-curb-military-early-voting/

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

“They prefer to allow ”

And yet it was the Republicans that voted for W twice.

I’ll take “non citizens, residents of other states, drunks, winos and even dead people” over Republican voters any day.

Vote drunk, and stoned too!

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

Dear Luangtom @ 2:01, The last president re-elected with a smaller vote than his initial tally was Woodrow Wilson. The power of progressivism. Those who can think recognize their errors, and correct them; thinkers are not always enough, however.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

And you accuse fox news of sounding hysterical? Seriously, this is just sad. One day before the election and this is the tripe you dig up?

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

you need to read up on the Constitution, there is nothing in it about “the right to vote”. There are many clauses and amendments detailing ways people can’t be denied the ability to vote, but nothing about voting as a “right”.”

YOU need to read it again. It details ways that people can’t be denied their RIGHT to vote. Reading comprehension is a good thing, why don’t you try it sometime?

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

Right Wing Watch put up this video of Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, to explain why the right wing engages in voter suppression. A explanation straight from the source.

“I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.” ~ Paul Weyrich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN7IB-d7Hfw&feature=player_embedded

Matti

November 5th, 2012
2:08 pm

ragnar the rand cultist @ 2:02,

You clearly are confused about what the word “earn” means. When fat little heirs pay a lower tax rate on interest income they “earn” while out on their fancy sailboats, drinking french booze and snorting south american blow than a hard-working parent “earns” putting in a long day’s back-breaking work, then somebody’s not paying a fair share. But then, my words are probably lost on you, given your profession and how you “earned” your money. Too bad “conservatives” don’t respect work.

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
2:08 pm

independent thinker

November 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

Mitt’s base busy at work:
“”"”"”"”"”"The last place I would expect elder statesman George W. Bush to show his face would be the Cayman Islands, home to some of the world’s most notorious and nefarious financial intrigue. After the 9/11 attacks, U.S. investigators focused on secret Cayman Islands accounts thought to be used by al-Qaeda operatives to funnel money to the hijackers. Right around that time, Enron was collapsing as various shell companies its top executives established in the Cayman Islands proved not to be the promising new business ventures that Enron investors were led to believe they were.

At the time, the founder and head of Enron was Kenneth Lay, a good friend of President Bush. They were so tight, Bush liked to call him “Kenny.”

When you want to hide what you’re doing, the Cayman Islands is the place to go. Just ask Mitt Romney, who according to MSNBC invested up to $25 million in 12 Cayman Islands-registered funds. His old company, Bain Capital, has more than 138 investments in the Caymans and 40 secret offshore accounts.

This stuff really doesn’t look good when you’re running for president and you’re trying to distance yourself from the worst aspects of the previous Republican administration, or when you’ve been president and you’re trying to distance yourself from the worst aspects of your own administration’s behavior: an obsession with secrecy, an obsession with breaking the law under the cloak of secrecy, an obsession with trampling on First Amendment rights, sweetheart treatment of old friends like Enron and Halliburton. The list goes on and on.

So why would George W. Bush, less than a week before the presidential election, go to the Caymans and give a top secret speech to selected audience members who, according to The Associated Press, were “forbidden” to discuss any of the contents of that discussion? Forbidden. Not, “we strongly discourage you from discussing this speech outside this room,” but “you are forbidden from discussing this.””"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/11/bushs-top-secret-cayman-islands-speech-youre-welcome-america.html/

Probably a Fox News sponsored fund raiser for storm victims – ya think?

Don't Tread

November 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

More crying about Citizens United? Too bad. That’s what happens when you try to limit the 1st Amendment rights of people you don’t like and it blows up in your face.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

“If the Constitution explains how states and the Federal governmment *can’t* prevent you from doing something, it’s a dead certainty that that ’something’ is an individual right.”

Especially when it specifically states: “The RIGHT to vote…”

td

November 5th, 2012
2:10 pm

Taking people by bus to the polls and giving them a lunch or a little “walking around money” and tell them exactly how to fill out their ballots is the biggest voter fraud of all.

One weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) to vote in person at your local precinct with a voter id. Absentee voting must be for military or people out of the country only. If you can not make plans for one weekend every four years then you do not need to vote.

Tealiban Party

November 5th, 2012
2:11 pm

The world badly wants Barack Obama to be president, but either way American clout will still decline

http://www.canada.com/world+badly+wants+Barack+Obama+president+either+American+clout+will+still+decline/7500020/story.html#ixzz2BNQqDIcG

“The world would have voted for Obama out of hope in 2008,” Dominique Moisi, the highly regarded French historian and political scientist said the other day on a CNN talk show. “They would vote for Obama in 2012 out of fear.”

A sample of public opinion in 21 countries for the BBC published two weeks ago found that if the planet was a giant electoral college, U.S. President Barack Obama would win an unprecedented landslide on Tuesday. Thumping majorities in many countries, Canada included, supported Obama’s re-election.

Pakistan, which has more than its share of Islamic extremists, was the only country polled where people favoured Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
2:11 pm

“That’s what happens when you try to limit the 1st Amendment rights of people you don’t like”

“Corporations are people, my friend…of course they are.”

Jack

November 5th, 2012
2:12 pm

While Bookman wasn’t watching his dumpster, he was writing his columns for an Obama win or a Romney win. Since all the lastest polls favor Romney, he can put the Obama column in that dumpster.

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

Thank you 1959 GOP for waking up the sleeping Giants, this is why Blacks, Latinos are breaking voting records thru out the country.

Then these people wonder why there party is filled with bigots, redecks, Nazis, white conservative males, tea party (klan) women who care less about their equal rights, but who benefit off f lib women and civil rights leaders.

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

“Alas, there is no Constitutional right to vote for POTUS”

Ahhhh! A refinement to the Constitutional argument. And you are correct, but we DO have a Constitutional right to vote for the electors who vote for the President.

Wrong. The State Legislatures get to decide how the electors are chosen.

Get Real

November 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

More liberal spew….the daily directive from Ms Cutter to all the liberal “journalistic-like” surrogates

luangtom

November 5th, 2012
2:14 pm

Joe Hussein Mama @ 2:04 PM …..I asked the same question of Jimmy Carter and Billy Beer.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
2:14 pm

I understand Obama has appointed a committee consisting of Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder and David Axelrod to investigate why after a week there are still millions of victims of hurricane Sandy with out food, water, clothing, medical attention and sanitation facilities. Axelrod said he thought the delay was due to an anti muslim film which was see in Hoboken. The good news is the Giants football gane yesterday was televised locally and will be rebroadcast just as soon as power is restored. Obama did promise if reelected he will personally get involved in the relief effort beginning in December and will work toward having most power restored by Christmas, excuse me, by Kwanza.

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
2:14 pm

This takes the cake…unbelievable..

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/05/obama-promises-college-costs-of-23000-a-year-by-2022/

Talk about saying anything to get (college)votes…if he doesn’t get this on the path by 2016, in his memoirs he can blame congress or his predecessor for failure..blame back…and blame FORWARD!

td

November 5th, 2012
2:15 pm

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

“Thank you 1959 GOP for waking up the sleeping Giants, this is why Blacks, Latinos are breaking voting records thru out the country. ”

Link please?

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

Tealiban Party

Those country know Obama is a leader and will not bully the world, how did that bully work out with the last administration? 3500 Americans dead 911, 4,0000 American soldiers dead.

snoqualmiefalls

November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

But Jay, no mention of Romney having a secret mistress in Cuba, no mention of Romney getting real close to the Mexican drug cartels, no mention of Romney’s good friend Raul Salinas, former Prez of Mexico ensconsed in Ireland since Mexico and Ireland have no extradition treaty. It’s gotta be the LIBERAL press that is keeping these facts to themselves… but hey the people have a right to know all about this sorid affair, don’t they? Just like the people have a right to know all about our communist, socialist, Buddist, Muslim, Keynan terrorist, President Obama. there’s a sucker born every minute… ha ha ha

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

td — “One weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) to vote in person at your local precinct with a voter id. Absentee voting must be for military or people out of the country only. If you can not make plans for one weekend every four years then you do not need to vote.”

So if I got stuck in another city for two weeks like I did right after 9/11, that’s just too bad for me, huh?

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

“Wrong. The State Legislatures get to decide how the electors are chosen”

Nope. They get to choose WHO they are, and how their votes are allocated…but the general population votes on electors for each candidate

ad

November 5th, 2012
2:17 pm

I see our GOP posters still don’t have any proof cited of this massive movement of illegals voting for Democrats. Also, how are all those absentee voters (largely GOP’ers) presenting their picture ID’s?

bookman parrot

November 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

Jay,
You are right. We should let dead people vote, and people go from precinct to precinct and vote multiple times, and what the hell, let foreign nationals vote as well … no wait that would be the liberal way… oh yeah you support that though.
I will say that anyone that taints the voting process by illegal methods should be jailed.

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

td

Turn off low information fox and look at the lines in the Latinos and blacks areas, of course Fox is not going to show you iditos this because they dont want to scare the bigots and exremist on the right.

Tealiban Party

November 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

gm
November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm
Those country know Obama is a leader and will not bully the world, how did that bully work out with the last administration? 3500 Americans dead 911, 4,0000 American soldiers dead.

Exactly GM. I found it interesting that Pakistan is the only place favoring Romney. I guess birds of an extremist feather, still do flock together.

GT

November 5th, 2012
2:19 pm

The electorial is going to kill ya. Just like it did Gore. Payback is going to be hell but I seriously think O will win the electoral college and lose the popular vote.

bookman parrot

November 5th, 2012
2:19 pm

you could just as well title your propaganda “dems believe anything goes, legal or not, helps them”

Jap6205

November 5th, 2012
2:19 pm

I don’t get it. I see all of these comments about how people disagree with the tactics the republicans use. But Georgia is still a republican state. Someone please explain this to me.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:19 pm

Jack — “Since all the lastest polls favor Romney, he can put the Obama column in that dumpster.”

So you slept through the weekend, huh? :D

St Simons

November 5th, 2012
2:20 pm

oh yeah Rush is blubbering nonstop about the redskin theory.

i got your redskin theory right here, buddy.

no comments yet on his dominican boys theory.

Don't Tread

November 5th, 2012
2:20 pm

“When fat little heirs pay a lower tax rate on interest income they “earn” while out on their fancy sailboats, drinking french booze and snorting south american blow than a hard-working parent “earns” putting in a long day’s back-breaking work, then somebody’s not paying a fair share”

There’s a lot of hate and wealth envy in one sentence, with a side order of unfounded accusations of criminal behavior.

Other people have more money than you, and maybe some inherited it. Get over it.

td

November 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

td — “One weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) to vote in person at your local precinct with a voter id. Absentee voting must be for military or people out of the country only. If you can not make plans for one weekend every four years then you do not need to vote.”

So if I got stuck in another city for two weeks like I did right after 9/11, that’s just too bad for me, huh?

You had 3 years and 11 months to make sure you were home for the weekend to vote so yes to bad for you under these circumstances. BTW: Under your example, you could get on a bus or rent a car and be in Georgia in 12 hours.

Get Real

November 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

ad, yes I completed an entire identity theft on line to get my fake absentee ballot..you caught me…..good grief, is that all you got?????

STEVIE RAY

November 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

WTF? Who cares and why on earth would you submit such a missive? I think I flared up my arthritis just scrolling past this useless cut and past job..just damn

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

“Nope. They get to choose WHO they are, and how their votes are allocated…but the general population votes on electors for each candidate”

Sorry, but you are wrong. Each state legislature decides. The fact that all states have chosen generally selected the same method does not make it a right.

They could change if they wanted to. Get your facts straight.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

“We should let dead people vote, and people go from precinct to precinct and vote multiple times”

got proof that that happens in large enough numbers to justify inconveniencing the many millions of honest voters?

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

The other half of your brain.

Obama will win, if not can not wait till he sends poor, middle classs whites to die for the war he will start, while his sons take vacation, what a party of idiots.

GT

November 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

The other half of your brain I will give you even a better list that support Georgia football, but that doesn’t mean their politics is any good.

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

Tealiban Party

Those country know Obama is a leader and will not bully the world, how did that bully work out with the last administration? 3500 Americans dead 911, 4,0000 American soldiers dead

It worked out just about as good as Kennedy with over 58,000 American troops dead in Vietnam.

Do people like you really get to vote?

Donovan

November 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

Doing your part as an eleventh hour DNC surrogate? Please, is that all you’ve got?

You people own the franchise on election shenanigans. Have you all forgotten the Black Panthers outside the polling place? How about the DOJ trying to sue states from cleaning up the voter registration rolls? Ever hear of A.C.O.R.N.? What about your union thugs throwing nails in the parking lot of a Tea Party rally? Slashing tires on GOP vans in Wisconsin? SEIU thugs threatening Las Vegas casino workers to get Harry Reid elected.

This is a Jay Bookman appeal to rally the pathetic troops for Obama. Nice try, liberals.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

November 5th, 2012
2:23 pm

If Obama wins, where do you go to get your 40 acres and a mule?

bookman parrot

November 5th, 2012
2:23 pm

this crap of GOP wanting to go back to the 1950s is a bunch a lib baloney. but it is scaring the simpletons to vote for BHO.

getalife

November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

Vote for more American exceptionalism like this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/curiosity-self-portrait-photo_n_2066944.html

We built that robot.

Four more years!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

TOHOYB — “We, the undersigned, proudly support Governor Mitt Romney as our nation’s next
President and Commander-in-Chief.”

As I’ve asked on several of the last few threads, how many of those flag officers are employed by, executives of or principals in defense companies or contractors?

Follow the money.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

“A sample of public opinion in 21 countries for the BBC published two weeks ago found that if the planet was a giant electoral college, U.S. President Barack Obama would win an unprecedented landslide on Tuesday. Thumping majorities in many countries, Canada included, supported Obama’s re-election”.

The foreignors would vote for Obama for exactly the same reason that Democrats in this country will. One they have no idea what he stands for or the think he will destroy the United States. Two, he is the only name they have heard of. Three, they are polically immature useful idiots. Four, they are merely expressing something they have heard thinking it makes them sound intelligent.

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

I believe that Jay prays every night for Romney to win, that way he has job security for the next 4 years. That way he will have someone degrade.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

“So you slept through the weekend, huh?”

JHM, I think that when Jack says “all the latest polls” he means “all of the Rasmussen polls”.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

“Get your facts straight”

We still vote for the electors. Get YOUR facts straight.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

Alas, there is no Constitutional right to vote for POTUS.

Alas, the Constitution doesn’t give rights to do anything. The Constitution protects rights that are considered granted by our Creator. Big, big difference there. The Constitution actually leaves voting legislation and such to the States. As a result of doing that, there have been protections enshrined in the Constitution to keep the states from stomping on the rights that citizens have.

gm

November 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

The other half of your brain.

It worked out just about as good as Kennedy with over 58,000 American troops dead in Vietnam.

Kennedy died in 63, how could he be responsibe?, it was Nixon you idiot, this is you right wing nut jobs problem you try to change history,and you wonder why Georgia is never a factor, gee

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

TOHOYB — “We, the undersigned, proudly support Governor Mitt Romney as our nation’s next
President and Commander-in-Chief.”

As I’ve asked on several of the last few threads, how many of those flag officers are employed by, executives of or principals in defense companies or contractors?

Follow the money.

Joe, One thing for sure, Repubs & Dems all levae office Millionaires. Take a look at how many Millions that Obama is worth today and what he was worth when he took office, there’s a prime example.

getalife

November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

The polls show a President Obama victory.

Lying, cheating and stealing are sins.

You lose sinners.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

“Have you all forgotten the Black Panthers outside the polling place?”

You can’t forget what never happened.

southpaw

November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

What makes people-

Interesting read. I particularly liked this part later in the article:

Back in the United States the culture war was going strong, but I had lost my righteous passion. I could never have empathized with the Christian Right directly, but once I had stood outside of my home morality, once I had tried on the moral lenses of my Indian friends and interview subjects, I was able to think about conservative ideas with a newfound clinical detachment. They want more prayer and spanking in schools, and less sex education and access to abortion? I didn’t think those steps would reduce AIDS and teen pregnancy, but I could see why the religious right wanted to “thicken up” the moral climate of schools and discourage the view that children should be as free as possible to act on their desires. Conservatives think that welfare programs and feminism increase rates of single motherhood and weaken the traditional social structures that compel men to support their own children? Hmm, that may be true, even if there are also many good effects of liberating women from dependence on men. I had escaped from my prior partisan mindset (reject first, ask rhetorical questions later), and began to think about liberal and conservative policies as manifestations of deeply conflicting but equally heartfelt visions of the good society.

Junior Samples

November 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

May be time to bring in ACORN and the black panthers to monitor elections like in 2008.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:31 pm

Mighty Righty @ 2:03

Democrats are famous for paying people to vote and to commit registration fraud. The examples of ACORN are well known and numerous.

When are you going to start raising hell about Republicans, Strategic Allied Consulting, and/or Nathan Sproul? Until you address that, all your whining is for naught as it expressly shows you don’t truly give a rats ass about fraud. You’re nothing more than a partisaned whiner.

DannyX

November 5th, 2012
2:32 pm

“I believe that Jay prays every night for Romney to win, that way he has job security for the next 4 years. That way he will have someone degrade.”

I think the other half of your brain is crazy! There will always be tons of Republicans to mock, no matter who wins. Remember the parade of crazy the Republicans trotted out during primary season? How about the current batch of Republican Senators. Right here at home we have Gov Deal, and the rest of the Georgia Republican circus.

Jay has plenty of job security as long as there are Republicans.

SBinf

November 5th, 2012
2:32 pm

“you need to read up on the Constitution, there is nothing in it about “the right to vote”. There are many clauses and amendments detailing ways people can’t be denied the ability to vote, but nothing about voting as a “right”.”

Detailing how you can’t be denied the ability to vote means it’s a right. If the action can not be denied to you by the government, it is a right by its very definition.

And of course….there’s that thing called the Voting RIGHTS Act of 1965.

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
2:33 pm

The other half of your brain….doesn’t realize what constitutes spam.

Jefferson

November 5th, 2012
2:33 pm

Pips some of you are.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

If there is one FUC*ING moron on here it’s you Sport!

Red card or yellow, sport?

HDB

November 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

ATL Tiger

November 5th, 2012
1:51 pm
“joe, I can buy a ticket from an airline on the internet. I guess we should allow internet voting.”

try getting on the plane without an id”

It CAN be done!! ….from USA Today:

Traveling Without ID

If your ID is lost or stolen, traveling is possible but can be extremely difficult. According to the TSA, airline passengers traveling without proper identification will be required to provide the TSA officers at the checkpoints with identity-verifying information. This process will add additional time to the screening process. If the passenger’s identity cannot be verified through this process, passengers will not be allowed to board the aircraft.

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/identification-required-airline-travel-13294.html

….so the airline argument doesn’t hold true…….

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

getalife

November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

The polls show a President Obama victory.

Lying, cheating and stealing are sins.

You lose sinners.

Getaclue, How do you know who is cheating, lying or sinning, you sure as hell aren’t God.

Aquagirl

November 5th, 2012
2:35 pm

WTF? Who cares and why on earth would you submit such a missive?

There’s an odd slobbering quality to some armchair generals. They can pull up that list and wave it around but can’t tell you jack crap about the local VA that serves their sainted heroes.

Using the military as your sockpuppet is gross.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
2:36 pm

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
2:36 pm

“so the airline argument doesn’t hold true”

And, yet again, airline travel is not a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

Jack

November 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

For gm’s edification, klan membership consisted solely of Democrats and segregationists were all Democrats as well.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

td — “You had 3 years and 11 months to make sure you were home for the weekend”

You have pretty clearly never had to travel for work; I did for many years. That means that I was on planes EVERY week, td. San Francisco one week, Dallas the next week, Washington the week after that and then Chicago. It’s a lot more difficult than you seem to think it is, and you’ve clearly never had the phone wake you from a sound sleep, telling you that you have a lunch meeting scheduled in Boston and you’d better be there one way or another. The planning that you think is so easy is only easy for you because your life is a lot less complicated and busy than other peoples’. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to plan things that far ahead.

“to vote so yes to bad for you under these circumstances.”

Then screw you and screw your plan. It figures that you’re a conservative; you’re only too eager to screw someone else out of their vote.

“BTW: Under your example, you could get on a bus or rent a car and be in Georgia in 12 hours.”

BTW: you’re high. If you weren’t in New York or Washington on 9/11, then you have no idea how incredibly difficult it was to find transport home that day and the remainder of that week. Amtrak, Greyhound, Trailways and every bus company in the region were all overbooked. Rental car agencies were overwhelmed and had no cars or trucks to rent; I personally know people who carpooled *hundreds* of miles to get home — to DIFFERENT STATES — immediately after 9/11. I’ve even heard of people who rented Ryder trucks to get home.

And when planes DID start flying again, it was nearly impossible to get rebooked; it was 2+ weeks before the airlines got their booking and routings straightened out. If you didn’t already *have* a seat on a given flight in the first few days after flights resumed, you had to fight with several thousand other people who wanted the same seat you were after.

One size doesn’t fit all, td. And shame on you for trying to make it so.

getalife

November 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

Unhinged.

President Obama wins Ohio by 3.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

Stevie Ray: WTF? Who cares and why on earth would you submit such a missive?

I think he’s trying to show that Romney has a lock on the Military and Intelligence Industrial Complexes. At least, that’s what it seems like.

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

jewcowboy

November 5th, 2012
2:33 pm

The other half of your brain….doesn’t realize what constitutes spam.

Doesn’t that come in a can, sorry for the pun.

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

“If the neo-con progressives on the right have to resort to voter suppression to keep the neo-con progressives of the left from voting for their respective war criminal…….then you shall know that your society is surely doomed.”
Thomas Heyward jr 2009

RLJ

November 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

A couple of weeks ago, Jay did a column on how Republicans would react and avoid the facts in President Obama is re-elected. This column gives an idea of how Democrats will avoid what a loss says about their ideas. This will be added to the mantra that apparently only ignoramuses who watch Fox News would vote against the President, so the majority must be ignorant and less intelligent. Honestly, I don’t know who will win but I have no doubt the losing party will spin it well.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

For gm’s edification, klan membership consisted solely of Democrats conservatives and segregationists were all Democrats conservatives as well.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:39 pm

JHM: One size doesn’t fit all, td. And shame on you for trying to make it so.

Simple minds are only capable of simple thinking and logic.

USMC

November 5th, 2012
2:39 pm

DNC believes it benefits by making voting easy for Illegal Aliens and Dead People. :-)

Matti

November 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

Why exactly am I supposed to give a rat’s fuzzy what a bunch of government nip suckling retired generals and admirals think?

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

Stevie Ray: WTF? Who cares and why on earth would you submit such a missive?

I think he’s trying to show that Romney has a lock on the Military and Intelligence Industrial Complexes. At least, that’s what it seems like.

I wish I had the same crystal ball that you do, it’s amazing that you don’t know 1 of those people and yet you know where they work.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

DannyX — “JHM, I think that when Jack says “all the latest polls” he means “all of the Rasmussen polls”.

Razzie snapped back several points late on Friday. There was TONS of raging about it in the conservative blogosphere over the weekend.

One Brave American on Free Republic said that he wanted to drag Governor Christie and Mr. Rasmussen behind his boat while he ladled chum over the side to attract sharks. :roll:

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

Hi folks do you know in the constitution of Usa there is no federal are that you are made to vote//Not in any law..Just have right vote at age 18 in all states….Look it up folks now Jay not cause Neal Boortz use be on AJC till they fired off…Further more if turn out is huge rommey will win if other well for more years of lettin Muslims take over Usa!

Aren’t you guys sick and tired of repeating that same………………lie / falshooded misstatement? The STATE is the one who authorized you your right to vote and the FEDS upheld that right. The “right to vote” is taken from our original “founding document” t the Articles Of Confederation.

In 1787 the United States had reached an economic and diplomatic crisis. That summer a Constitutional Convention was called to amend the Articles of Confederation. Among the most important issues to be resolved were electing representatives, senators, and the president.

Direct election of the president and vice president sparked contentious debate. The convention settled on the Electoral College – delegates elected by the state legislatures who would reflect the popular vote in their state, a device which would help non-regional candidates. The Constitution also gave Congress the authority to make or alter federal electoral regulations.

Eligibility to vote for representatives would be based on each state’s rules for voting on the state legislature’s lower house. For example, the 1777 New York State Constitution required that a man have considerable wealth to be able to vote for the state Assembly – he had to pay taxes as well as own property worth at least 20 pounds or pay an annual rent of 2 pounds. Ten of the original 13 states had property and/or tax requirements when the U.S. Constitution came into effect.

The states NEED your votes — without your votes they will have NO representation in Congress/Senate and not ONE electoral vote.

So YES you do have a “right to vote” that, even though it is not spelled out explicitly in the Constitution verbatim, is nonetheless upheld by our Amendments:

The Fifteenth Amendment, adopted in 1870, prevented states and the federal government from restricting suffrage based on “race, color, or previous condition of servitude [i.e., slavery].”

the Nineteenth Amendment made women’s suffrage the law of the land.

In 1924 that Congress would pass the Indian Citizenship Act granting all Native Americans, on or off the reservation, citizenship and the possibility of suffrage. In 1956 Utah was the last state to give Native Americans the vote.

1926 would California’s suffrage provision, allowing “no native of China” to vote be overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. The Chinese Exclusion Act would remain in effect until 1943, when the United States lifted the immigration ban.

Civil rights Act of 196 and Voting Rights Act of 1965

the Jones Act in 1917 would the United States allow Puerto Ricans to elect their own bicameral legislature.

The Jones Act also made all Puerto Ricans citizens of the United States, allowing them to migrate to the mainland when other immigrant groups found the doors barred by the Immigration Act of 1924.

HDB

November 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:31 pm

Do you remember in 1968 that Kevin Phillips, a Nixon spokesman and designer of the “Southern Strategy” publically came out and said “…black people have no place in the Republican Party.”??

The idea that Democrats are the trailblazers in voter suppression is nuts!! People fail to realize that the Southern Strategy’s main focus was to suppress the minority vote….and this was designed and amplified!!

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
“Have you all forgotten the Black Panthers outside the polling place?”
“You can’t forget what never happened”.

Are you that dense? Can’t be that stupid and still function. But here is proof: There are plenty more.

New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case

The New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case, sometimes known simply as the Black Panther Case, is a political controversy in the United States concerning an incident that occurred during the 2008 election for president in the United States. The New Black Panther Party and two of its members, Minister King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson, were charged with voter intimidation for their conduct outside a polling station in Philadelphia. The Department of Justice later narrowed the charges against Minister King Shabazz and dismissed the charges against the New Black Panther Party and Jerry Jackson. The decision to dismiss the charges has led to accusations that the Department of Justice under the Obama administration is biased against white victims and unwilling to prosecute minorities for civil rights violations. These charges have been most notably made by J. Christian Adams, who in May 2010 resigned his post in the Department of Justice in protest over the Obama Administration’s perceived mishandling of the case, and by his former supervisor Christopher Coates.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

Brosephus — “The Constitution protects rights that are considered granted by our Creator.”

Actually, the Constitution makes it clear that We The People assert our *own* rights and that the Constitution lays out the limits for the powers that We permit Our government to use in Our name.

The Declaration speaks of granted rights, but the Constitution itself doesn’t.

The other half of your brain.

November 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

Matti

November 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

Why exactly am I supposed to give a rat’s fuzzy what a bunch of government nip suckling retired generals and admirals think?

Probably because they don’t like the way our country is being run. If you ever served your country you may feel different.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

November 5th, 2012
2:43 pm

VOTER FRAUD HAPPENS
so does IDENTITY THEFT

here is an example of VOTER FRAUD that CANT BE DETECTED

SNOWBIRDS are elderly people who live up NORTH but come down to Florida between Jan and Apr………….. they have HOUSES in FL…………………….. all they have to do is ask for an ABSENTEE ballot from FL and vote then also go to the polls in the state in which they live…NEITHER STATE WILL CHECK WITH THE OTHER TO SEE IF THEY VOTED TWICE

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
2:44 pm

We, the undersigned, proudly support
Governor Mitt Romney

These are all old retired guys who are no longer in the field. What do the troops who are in the field today say? Any word on them?

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

Fake conservatives and randian rubes, your candidate stinks.

On ice.

To high heaven.

He is unfit to lead.

Better luck in 2016…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E8S1H3y9KE&feature=player_embedded

td

November 5th, 2012
2:46 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

Considering that your first post said you was stuck for two weeks then you would not have been able to early vote in GA this year as well.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:46 pm

“Detailing how you can’t be denied the ability to vote means it’s a right”

What the Constution doesn’t say is anything about the ability to vote. It specifically says “The RIGHT to vote…”

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:47 pm

Brosephus — “Simple minds are only capable of simple thinking and logic.”

I knew you’d pick up on that. :)

Were you working in a similar job as your current one on 9/11?

I had just started a new consulting gig in the Washington area; my employer actually called me to make sure I wasn’t going to quit because of 9/11 (I didn’t).

td

November 5th, 2012
2:49 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

November 5th, 2012
2:43 pm

VOTER FRAUD HAPPENS
so does IDENTITY THEFT

here is an example of VOTER FRAUD that CANT BE DETECTED

SNOWBIRDS are elderly people who live up NORTH but come down to Florida between Jan and Apr………….. they have HOUSES in FL…………………….. all they have to do is ask for an ABSENTEE ballot from FL and vote then also go to the polls in the state in which they live…NEITHER STATE WILL CHECK WITH THE OTHER TO SEE IF THEY VOTED TWICE

You are absolutely right. I have a house in GA. and a condo in FL and have no problem getting an absentee from FL and vote in person in GA.

Liberal Nightmare

November 5th, 2012
2:49 pm

Ruh Roh, just heard from my buddies up in Cleveland/Akron at the U of Akron and they are telling me their local polls which are evenly weighted are showing Romney up by 5 points with a margin of 2.5. For those in the dark, southern Ohio is red, only the north has any hopes in carrying the state for the Demographicrats. For the geographically challenged, Akron to Cleveland is blue Ohio and it ain’t looking good for the O-dumber. Surprisingly, the number of undecideds in the polls have dropped to below 2%. You’re toast libs. You won’t see this in the media, but stay tuned for Tuesday night. I’ll be around to rub it in….. assuming I am not a riot victim. Note to self – avoid SW Atlanta Wednesday.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

Half A Brain, if you resort to namecalling again, you will be banned.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

I wish I had the same crystal ball that you do, it’s amazing that you don’t know 1 of those people and yet you know where they work.

You don’t need a crystal ball to figure that out. Who founded Blackwater, XE, or whatever their name is now?? Ex-military. When generals retire, where do they go to work? They end up on the payroll of defense contractors as lobbyists or advisors.

If you don’t believe me, here’s proof from a conservative source.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/04/retired-generals-and-admirals-overwhelmingly-support-romney/

An article on the far-left website Truth-out.org offers two alternative explanations for Romney’s overwhelming support from retired generals and admirals, both of which call into question the character of the endorsers.

“I cannot read the minds of these top officers but, based on years of revolving door practices and other types of abuses, maybe many of these officers were motivated by the fact that they had lucrative post-retirement jobs with defense contractors who promise to become even more flush with money if a budget of this size passes. The lure of money for the revolving door might have clouded their judgment,” the article reads.

Nowhere beyond that point does the author attempt to disprove that criticism. In fact, the author completely ignores that because it’s a widely known issue. Just as government workers in national security have begun to flock to the Intelligence Industrial Complex upon retirement from the public sector.

RLJ

November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

Personally, I agree with GT. Romney wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral vote. The Republicans will be fit to be tied and the Democrats will somehow spin it to be a mandate.

getalife

November 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

lib,

Funny.

You lose Ohio by 3.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

“all they have to do is ask for an ABSENTEE ballot from FL and vote then also go to the polls in the state in which they live”

Yep, that’s right. And Voter ID will do NOTHING to correct that. It’s the absentee ballot system that needs reforming, not in-person voting.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

td — “Considering that your first post said you was stuck for two weeks then you would not have been able to early vote in GA this year as well.”

Which is exactly why I voted absentee while I was a consultant. And FWIW, at that time, Georgia didn’t send you an absentee ballot if there was a runoff. You either voted in person or you were out of luck.

They probably have a file on me in the Georgia Secretary of State’s office with the angry letters I sent each time I couldn’t get a ballot for runoffs. :)

Matti

November 5th, 2012
2:52 pm

Probably because they don’t like the way our country is being run.

So? Why do I care? My tax dollars support their lifestyles, their life-long government health care and pensions, and the nice income they earn from their defense contractor stocks and “consulting” jobs. They don’t support me, and to the best of my recollection, those generals and admirals have never personally defended or protected ME from anything. That they’re still alive only indicates that they sent lesser officers and enlisted men to die for their defense stocks, so why am I still supporting those leeches? That they endorse Rmoney only tells me they are not — and never were — my defenders.

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

Are you that dense? Can’t be that stupid and still function. But here is proof: There are plenty more

First off Mighty Whitey — don’t call DogGone dense; especially since she’s NOT dense. that makes you look really weak, pathetic and needy when you do that.

Secondly she’s more or less right — the people involved WERE prosecuted; however, this is a salient point, NONE of the people at the polling place felt threatened. NONE.

the fact that the administration DID pursue a successful prosecution against Shabazz or that it was the *Bush* administration that chose not to press charges. And the especially interesting thing is that the Bush administration refused to press similar charges against the Minute Men in Arizona:

DOJ did not pursue allegations that Minutemen intimidated Hispanic voters with a gun in 2006. Perez testified that in 2006, the Justice Department “declined to bring any action for alleged voter intimidation” “when three well-known anti-immigrant advocates affiliated with the Minutemen, one of whom was carrying a gun, allegedly intimidated Latino voters at a polling place by approaching several persons, filming them, and advocating and printing voting materials in Spanish.” [U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 5/14/10]

Anti-immigrant activist in 2006 case reportedly had “9mm Glock strapped to his side” at polling place. A November 8, 2006, Austin American-Statesman article reported (from the Nexis database): “In Arizona, Roy Warden, an anti-immigration activist with the Minutemen, and a handful of supporters staked out a Tucson precinct and questioned Hispanic voters at the polls to determine whether they spoke English.” The article continued:

Armed with a 9mm Glock automatic strapped to his side, Warden said he planned to photograph Hispanic voters entering polls in an effort to identify illegal immigrants and felons.

I believe what this all boils down to is a black man with a stick is frightening. Not pursuing charges against black men with sticks is showing racial bias. A white man with a gun, on the other hand, is doing the government a *favor*, see. Helping to monitor and control the situation. Why on earth would one pursue charges against this white man?

I understand it–why don’t you?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

L. Nightmare — “Ruh Roh, just heard from my buddies up in Cleveland/Akron at the U of Akron and they are telling me their local polls which are evenly weighted are showing Romney up by 5 points with a margin of 2.5.”

Evenly weighted? Pfffffft. You’re giving away your ignorance of polling and statistics.

If you’d left that part out, I might have worried. As it is, you’ve actually *encouraged* me. :D

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:54 pm

HDB @ 2:40

You’ll never get people to admit to that though.

—————

JHM

The Constitution and Declaration go hand in hand when it comes to defining rights. The Declaration established where our rights come from and the idea that we get to assert them as individuals. The Constitution, as you stated, was written to limit government intrusion upon those inherent rights. The rights protected in the Constitution are the same rights from the Declaration, and they both come from the same place. ;)

RB from Gwinnett

November 5th, 2012
2:54 pm

Doggie, “got proof that that happens in large enough numbers to justify inconveniencing the many millions of honest voters?”

Got any proof “millions of honest voters” are being inconvenienced? Even the left wing propoganda mouthpiece AJC doesn’t have any evidence of all these millions of voters who were turned away at the last election for lack of an ID. Where are they?

And why are only D’s unable to get a damn ID?

getalife

November 5th, 2012
2:54 pm

“Democrats will somehow spin it to be a mandate.”

Just another thumpin.

Try working with him.

Jealous Often?

November 5th, 2012
2:54 pm

The only benefit that I can see in a Romney election is that the rednecks I’m surrounded by down here in Georgia will finally turn their frowny faces upside down.

Until Romney utterly destroys us, of course,at which time the frowny faces will return with a long finger pointed at the Democrats.

WTF

November 5th, 2012
2:56 pm

Jealous Often? Your too funny. Dumb as an ox but funny.

Liberal Nightmare

November 5th, 2012
2:56 pm

“These are all old retired guys who are no longer in the field. What do the troops who are in the field today say? Any word on them?”

Overwhelming support for Romney: http://militarytimes.com/projects/polls/2012/results/politics/

They also overwhelmingly supported Bush in 2000 and 2004. There’s a certain demographic that votes democrat no matter who is running, if you subtract that demographic out, the numbers are oven more overwhelming. Guess the military is a bunch of ignorant Fox News watchers according to this blog.

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
2:56 pm

Bro

While not 100% by any means, it is a case of follow the money…….

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:57 pm

Brosephus — “The Constitution and Declaration go hand in hand when it comes to defining rights. The Declaration established where our rights come from and the idea that we get to assert them as individuals. The Constitution, as you stated, was written to limit government intrusion upon those inherent rights. The rights protected in the Constitution are the same rights from the Declaration, and they both come from the same place.”

FWIW, the Constitution is the basis of law in our country, whereas the Declaration carries no such weight. At least, that’s what my First Amendment and Con Law profs told us. :)

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
2:57 pm

JHM: Were you working in a similar job as your current one on 9/11?

At that time, I was straight private sector and climing the success ladder. I had finished my first year in management, and I actually had to travel in Oct 11 for traning for a promotion that I got that same September. Post 9/11, I decided to switch gears and go public to do something for country. My knee kept me out of the military, so I went the DHS route.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:58 pm

Madge, thanks…but: “Secondly she’s more or less right — the people involved WERE prosecuted; however, this is a salient point, NONE of the people at the polling place felt threatened. NONE”

That was not my point. My point was that the Black Panthers were NOT INVOLVED in that episode. It was a tiny splinter group that calls themselves “The New Black Panthers” and they have NOTHING to do with the Black Panthers and have been repudiated by that larger group.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

November 5th, 2012
2:58 pm

DOGGONE

please tell me your name and bank!
how would you like it if your bank let me walk in-person to the bank and withdraw money from your account WITHOUT id?

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
2:59 pm

“Got any proof “millions of honest voters” are being inconvenienced?”

In other words: you got no proof.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
2:59 pm

L. Nightmare — “Guess the military is a bunch of ignorant Fox News watchers according to this blog.”

Um, there’s a big difference in a passel of retired flag officers and a bunch of junior and mid-grade enlisted soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Generals and Admirals know what their men and women think and feel.

I’m a disabled veteran and I approve this message. ;)

Misty Fyed

November 5th, 2012
3:00 pm

Or Maybe Republicans simply want something as important as voting limited to those legally entitled to do so. Democrats simply want free access to voter fraud.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:00 pm

FWIW, the Constitution is the basis of law in our country, whereas the Declaration carries no such weight. At least, that’s what my First Amendment and Con Law profs told us.

That, I can not disagree with. ;)

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:01 pm

” The rights protected in the Constitution are the same rights from the Declaration, and they both come from the same place.”

Actually Bro…no they don’t. The rights we have are what WE agree are rights, and then the Constitution protects them. God has nothing to do with them.

HDB

November 5th, 2012
3:01 pm

FWIW…this is the path I see happening tomorrow…..

WA, OR, CA, CO, NM, MN, IA, WI,MI, IL, PA, MD, DE, DC, NJ, NY, CT,MA, RI, VT, NH, ME, HI…that gives Obama 272 electoral votes!! If he gets OH, and lose CO, Obama gets 281 electoral votes……..

Obama can lose both FL and OH…and still win!! If he gets EITHER FL or OH, Romney’s toast!!

barking frog

November 5th, 2012
3:01 pm

half a brain
the retirees want the 200 billion
Romney is promising to the
military to ensure the pensions
keep on coming.

lurker

November 5th, 2012
3:03 pm

N-GA
November 5th, 2012
12:50 pm

Jimmy Carter’s definition of “integrity” is a little different than mine. In one election that he “verified”, there was more than ample evidence of fraud. Carter still “verified the integrity”, because he was afraid that violence would break out if they told the truth.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:03 pm

“how would you like it if your bank let me walk in-person to the bank and withdraw money from your account WITHOUT id

False comparison. Care to try again?

Liberal Nightmare

November 5th, 2012
3:03 pm

“Evenly weighted? Pfffffft. You’re giving away your ignorance of polling and statistics.”

More of the same, calling someone who specializes in statistics ignorant is of course the epitome of ignorance. The guys at Akron who do the polling for…..the O-dumber campaign, were asked to weight based on populations in the northern counties so they could look at the “real” numbers. You’re messiah is toast and they now are looking at alternatives that do not include Ohio – which ain’t happening. Stay tuned…I’ll be back to rub it in on Wednesday!

Mick

November 5th, 2012
3:03 pm

matti@2:52

Well said!!! :lol:

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:03 pm

They BOTH

It usually boils down to money. That’s sad in some cases, but when you worship money above all else, that’s usually where you end up.

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:05 pm

nice liberal media template to incite emotions after your guy loses tomorrow……seems there are a number of these very same opinion pieces across the country jay……media matters directive…check
DCCC says the tea party is over ‘even if more republicans are elected they are now talking compromise’……delusional
obama today says we tried it his way and the economy grew, he created jobs, and deficits went down…..talk about delusional
hay jay,
your party is the party that will not agree to have a voter id law to ensure fair elections and like a typical leftist LIB you project what you do and say onto the republicans…..problemn is that it’s too late and radical leftists like obama and hacks like you that parrot them have lost the country and independents and reagan dems are going to the polls for the other guy this time……….enjoy reaping what the radcial leftist ideology has sown on this country since pelosi in 2007……….time to get in the back if i may borrow hussein’s own words…..this is fun

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:05 pm

Guess the military is a bunch of ignorant Fox News watchers according to this blog.

LN, you sure seem to know an awful lot about the US Military.

Is that from the History Channel?

LOL at the guys who talk real loud from the back of the crowd…

tm

November 5th, 2012
3:05 pm

This is how the Repubs respond to the shewed polling- making it harder for those who it is skewed in favor to vote.

Matti

November 5th, 2012
3:05 pm

Who “walks into a bank and withdraws money” anymore? :roll:

FYI, retired folks: modern payroll is done through direct deposit, as are SS and many other benefits. You can deposit checks with no ID, and even without being there in person!! Use your smart phone ap, or drop it in the drive thru tube. Cash is withdrawn via debit cards they send in the mail. You can still pay bills with checks, or do it online. NO ID REQUIRED. You can access your bank account and finances for decades without a valid drivers license. Welcome to the 21st Century.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:06 pm

Doggone: The rights we have are what WE agree are rights, and then the Constitution protects them. God has nothing to do with them.

I agree to a point. It ultimately ends up in how one defines where the right originates. Some could say it’s ideas from man, while others could say it’s divine intent. I wouldn’t really quarrel over either one as they could both be correct in my book.

Tundra Dude

November 5th, 2012
3:06 pm

Half Brain posted the entire list of (ret) military officers, all of whom are probably heavily invested ($$$) in the War industry.
The Caymans candidate promised even more Wars and, of course, $pending.
(Is this a great country, or what?)

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:06 pm

I’ll be back to rub it in on Wednesday!

No.

But it will be fun (not) to see what exciting new name you have come up with then…

UNCLE SAMANTHA

November 5th, 2012
3:08 pm

you are just DOGGONE ignorant

you didn’t give an explanation on why YOU THINK that
so therefore you know you are bested

thus as explained by the blue book……. when bested tell everyone they are wrong and ignore any attempt to explain why

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:09 pm

L. Nightmare — “More of the same, calling someone who specializes in statistics ignorant is of course the epitome of ignorance.”

I call bullspit.

If you or the people you cite “specialize in statistics,” then you’d know that weighting a demographic sample invalidates the survey results. You’d also know that if you apply weighting to a sample, that invalidates the claimed Margin of Error.

“The guys at Akron who do the polling for…..the O-dumber campaign, were asked to weight based on populations in the northern counties so they could look at the “real” numbers.”

I very seriously doubt that. Weighting doesn’t reveal “real” numbers in this context.

“You’re messiah is toast”

I keep telling you people, but you don’t get it. I’m an atheist, and atheists don’t have ‘messiahs.’ (giggling) :D

“and they now are looking at alternatives that do not include Ohio – which ain’t happening. Stay tuned…I’ll be back to rub it in on Wednesday!”

I look forward to that. (laughing) :D

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
3:09 pm

Bro

Exactly. I don’t begrudge those Generals and Admirals for their opinion and for backing Romney. In fact I thank them all for their service.

With that said, it would be nice to know how many of those on that list work or worked in some capacity for the defense industry or contracting / consulting for the DoD after leaving the military.

stands for decibels

November 5th, 2012
3:09 pm

what this all boils down to is a black man with a stick is frightening.

that, in a nutshell, all you need to know when you hear some doofus in here going on about the “new black panthers.”

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:09 pm

Thanks for the link found this to be intersting and it may/may not be relevant but………:

In general, would you describe your political views as:
Percent Total
Very conservative ██████ 6.84% 54
Conservative ████████████████████ 38.91% 307
Moderate ████████████████████ 37.01% 292
Liberal ██████ 6.72% 53
Very liberal █ 1.39% 11
Decline to answer ██████ 9.13% 72

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:10 pm

Or Maybe Republicans simply want something as important as voting limited to those legally entitled to do so.

Sounds good. And if you have been living in a cave for the past four decades, even believable.

But no, that is not the case at all.

The right-wing American fascists DESPERATELY want to limit voting, any way that they can.

The New Jim Crow Parity advocating literacy tests to replace poll taxes.

The great irony being that their failure rates in said tests would be just as high as it would be among their perceived enemies!

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:10 pm

” I wouldn’t really quarrel over either one as they could both be correct in my book”

Well…I might be inclined to argue it, but mostly because of the separation of church and state thing. I’ve got no problem if someone puses a right because their religion tells them they should, but it’s still up to the people to agree. It can’t be made a right JUST because a religion says it should be. It still takes agreement.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:11 pm

“you didn’t give an explanation on why YOU THINK that so therefore you know you are bested”

If that was addressed to me, I have NO IDEA which of my posts it refers to.

the cat

November 5th, 2012
3:11 pm

I would like to suggest which ever candidate wins, the name calling stops. I myself have called the republican candidate Mittens but the names for our president pale in comparison. Can we pledge to drop the horrible names for either candidate?

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:13 pm

“I would like to suggest which ever candidate wins, the name calling stops”

I hope you’re not going to hold your breath waiting though.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
3:14 pm

Here are some uncomfortable facts the Democrats and their coconspirators in the press do their best to keep concealed. Total United States Kia’s in Afghanistan under eight years of Bush were 636. In the three plus years of Obama United States KIA’s total 1,220. A more meaningful fact is that under Bush our soldiers controlled more than 60% of the country side and were for the most part safe in their own forts. Under Obama our troops have total control of no areas and are in great danger in their own beds. That is change no one can possibly believe in.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:15 pm

Doggone

I think the agreement part is the ultimate deal maker. Regardless to where the idea originates, it won’t float unless there is mutual agreement from all parties.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:16 pm

McCain Strategist: Voter Fraud Is GOP ‘Mythology’ (VIDEO)

A strategist for Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign said on Monday morning that voter fraud was virtually nonexistent in the U.S. and yet has somehow become part of the Republican “mythology.”

“I think that all of this stuff that has transpired over the last two years is in search of a solution to a problem, voting fraud, that doesn’t really exist when you look deeply at the question,” strategist Steve Schmidt said on MSNBC.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/steve_schmidt_voter_fraud_mythology.php?ref=fpa

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:16 pm

Madge, yet Civil Rights, Women’s rights, legalized abortion, no Jesus or Adam and Eve in public schools and an entire society’s worth of liberal laws rule the land.

Thank gawd! We’re not stuck in the Republican wet dream of the 1950s!

So who cares what people call themselves…

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:16 pm

“I would like to suggest which ever candidate wins, the name calling stops”

I hope you’re not going to hold your breath waiting though.

Sounds like a reason to invest in one of those “Help, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” buttons. :)

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:17 pm

jamvet,3:10
welcome to the day of DCCC, Hussein and your delusional thinking……the strawman liberal debate tactic is out and doesn’t work anymore……valid picture legal id to vote will be the norm in 2016….time to actually fix these issues…….no more strawman liberal bullspit……

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:17 pm

M. Righty — “Total United States Kia’s in Afghanistan under eight years of Bush were 636. In the three plus years of Obama United States KIA’s total 1,220.”

How many American lives were wasted by us screwing around in Iraq when we should have been going after OBL in Afghanistan in the first place?

I really don’t think you want to do the math on this, Righty.

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:18 pm

I’m with you cat!!

After tomorrow no more awful names for the two contenders!!!

No more MittMonster

Magic Mormon Underpants guy

Maniac Eyes (ever see his eyes?!? Every picture he takes looks like he’s high on crack or something!)

Plastic Man

The incredibly shrinking brain

Or Flippity Flopper!

No more names like the ones above I PROMISE!!!

but……….since it’s not over yet……………..

Mr. Etch-o-Sketch

Mr. Sissy Pants

Mr. 47%er

Mr. Fake Laughter Cause He Can’t Understand The Freaking Joke But He Doesn’t Want To Seem Like A Dunce

Mr. Freeze.

Whew!! Glad i got that out of my system!!!

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:18 pm

billybob,

English, please.

Slow down, take a deep breath and tell me what your problems are.

LOL…

independent thinker

November 5th, 2012
3:18 pm

Republicans cheat? Never! Not even to get W. reelected in 2004 -would they?

“”"”"”"”"”Despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots — or received them too late to vote(4) — after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations. A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots. Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment — roughly one for every 100 cast.

The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush’s victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.

But what is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush. After carefully examining the evidence, I’ve become convinced that the president’s party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election. A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004(12) — more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes.(13) (See Ohio’s Missing Votes) In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots.(14) And that doesn?t even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes — enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.”"”"”"”
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

And guess which candidate has ties to ownership of a significant number of voting machines?
Karl Rove; the master of dirty tricks going back to Nixon, has a lot of money placed on Romney winning . He wouldn’t be involved would he?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 5th, 2012
3:19 pm

Either way Obama is going to win and at this point they know it.

Got a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue all set aside for the occasion.

Most enjoyable moment of the night will be when they start to call it for Obama.

Then ill switch right over to Fox to see how many heads explode.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 5th, 2012
3:21 pm

valid picture legal id to vote will be the norm in 2016….

Umm no it wont.

Gay marriage may be legal everywhere by then though.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:21 pm

Cheesy Grits — “Then ill switch right over to Fox to see how many heads explode.”

Did you ever see Scanners? :D

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:22 pm

Former Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R) sharply criticized Gov. Rick Scott (R) on Sunday for his refusal to extend early voting hours in the state as individuals waited for hours in lines at the polls.

“The only thing that makes any sense as to why this is happening and being done is voter suppression,” Crist said in an interview with The Huffington Post on Sunday. “That’s unconscionable. I think it’s just the wrong thing to do. And the right thing to do would be to sign an executive order to make sure this doesn’t happen and you expand the hours.”

Scott has denied that there’s any problem, saying it’s “very good” that people are turning out to vote. Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner (R) argued the current situation is not an actual emergency that necessitates longer hours.

Crist disagrees. In 2008, he signed an executive order that increased the number of early-voting hours after individuals faced long lines at the polls.

“I did it because the disaster that was happening was that people weren’t being able to exercise this precious right that is the foundation of our democracy. That’s a disaster,” he said. “When you have people waiting in line for four or five or even more hours — and a lot of them are senior citizens like they are in the state of Florida — that’s a disaster. And it’s wrong. And it’s indefensible.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/charlie-crist-rick-scott-florida-early-voting_n_2073661.html

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:22 pm

“Regardless to where the idea originates, it won’t float unless there is mutual agreement from all parties.”

Yep, and that is why they come from US, not from any God!

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 5th, 2012
3:23 pm

Madge, yet Civil Rights, Women’s rights, legalized abortion, no Jesus or Adam and Eve in public schools and an entire society’s worth of liberal laws rule the land.

In the end the liberals always win. All the conservatives can do is try and keep the status quo for as long as they can.

But in the end they lose.

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:24 pm

Total United States Kia’s in Afghanistan under eight years of Bush were 636. In the three plus years of Obama United States KIA’s total 1,220.”

Seriously , what does the amount of Kias in Afghanistan have to do with anything? Seriously?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 5th, 2012
3:25 pm

Did you ever see Scanners? :D

Yeah LOL.

Id actually give 100 bucks to see the look on Hannity’s face when he realizes its over and Barrack Husein Obama is still President.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:25 pm

Yep, and that is why they come from US, not from any God!

Check and mate!! :)

Pare O'Dox

November 5th, 2012
3:26 pm

Paul Ryan squeezed in time on a four-stop, five-state day for a conference call with evangelical voters Sunday evening, issuing a warning about a second Obama term saying the president is putting the country on a “dangerous path” that compromises “Judeo-Christian, western civilization values.”

“It’s a dangerous path,” Ryan said on his opening remarks on the call, which has been rescheduled at least once. “It’s a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty, and compromises those values, those Judeo-Christian, western civilization values that made us such a great an exceptional nation in the first place.”

GOP code-speak for “Obama is a Muslim”. Trouble is, Obama is an avowed Christian, whereas Mr. Ryan’s running mate is…well…he certainly cannot be embraced under the umbrella of a Judeo-Christian.

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:27 pm

jam,
your use of strawman argument at 3:10 doesn’t address the problem or offer any solutions for the problem which is a typical democratic spin tactic now for decades…..a legal, picture ID to vote will solve the problem which is the solution republicans have been offering for years now……your ideology is on the way out of the white house and congress in just a short time now so i hoipe this was clear enough english for you even though i know you understood all of my previous points……but keep believing biden when he tells the uneducated and emotional democratic masses that the republicans are gonna take blacks and gays and women back 50 years…..it’s amazing adults can actually find some sort of truth in this nonsense……wouldn’t you say?

Old Goober

November 5th, 2012
3:27 pm

NEITHER STATE WILL CHECK WITH THE OTHER TO SEE IF THEY VOTED TWICE

Not quite true. After the 2008 election, the Georgia Secretary of State’s office conducted a pretty serious investigation involving people who voted in Georgia and also voted in Florida. The investigation uncovered several such instances. It was covered by the AJC.

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:29 pm

madge,
christ endorsed obama…..enough said

Oscar

November 5th, 2012
3:30 pm

I don’t have any problem with the Georgia I.D. law. Seems reasonable to require proof of id and current address as a requirement for voting.

And be sure to remove all names from voter roles at least two years after their death. Dead people should only be allowed to vote in one presidential election. Two would be unreasonable.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:32 pm

billy, what in the name of Sam Hill are you blathering about?

I have NO issues whatsoever with requiring a photo ID to vote.

Now what the hell was that other racist and bigoted nonsense in your last diatribe about?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
3:32 pm

HEY

I got no action on OBAMAS promise to cut college tuition in half by 2022…does anyone out there see this as legitimate? Must be a ruse by that dirty old GOP…

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:32 pm

nice job to try to get the base revved up with this post here jay…….i think your words will be worth at least 2 extra obama votes….but only one of those voters will probably show up to the polls…..

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:33 pm

Billybob — “…..a legal, picture ID to vote will solve the problem which is the solution republicans have been offering for years now……”

It won’t solve the problem, not by itself. Many state IDs are too easy to forge, or to obtain with forged documents.

Oscar

November 5th, 2012
3:33 pm

Rights and powers come from the people. That’s us.

Constitution only establishes the government branchs and states the powers, and limits of powers, that the people have given to the governemnt.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:34 pm

I got no action on OBAMAS promise to cut college tuition in half by 2022…

If I were a female, I wouldn’t give you any action either if you tried a sorry assed pickup line like that on me. :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
3:35 pm

…..a legal, picture ID to vote will solve the problem which is the solution republicans have been offering for years now…

Yawn.

What’s needed is a more tamper-proof photo ID, but producing, delivering, and maintaining the requisite data base would cost plenty and only serve to give you another point or two to bitch about.

lynnie gal

November 5th, 2012
3:35 pm

Democrats and minorities need a “Get Out of My Face” campaign, so they are aware of what to do when these “True the Vote” thugs try to intimidate them from voting. They should be instructed to push them aside and tell them to “Get Out of My Face”. I don’t advocate violence, but I admit I secretly wish that some harassed minority voters would take those self-appointed Republican “poll watcher” thugs out to the back parking lot and beat the crap out of them. The Republican thugs in Florida just successfully stopped the handing out of water to people (mostly of color, of course) standing in Florida’s hot sun for over 7 hours to vote. This should make Floridians even more determined to vote.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171030/tea-party-group-blocks-florida-voters-stops-water-handouts-polls

Patty

November 5th, 2012
3:35 pm

Really, the Florida voters only get EIGHT days plus ELECTION DAY to vote and they can’t drag their butts out to the polls! Not because of a nature disaster, no! So it has to be those mean old Republicans’s fault, not the voters for not planning out their time so they could vote within the time limit.

Last Thursday, I finally got to vote after visiting the polls over the last two weeks–most wait times at the nearest polling place was between 3-5 hours. So I drove to another polling area in the county and voted.

Sorry, Jay, but you libs are just grasping at straws.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

…does anyone out there see this as legitimate?

We’re just not that into you, sport.

Mary Elizabeth

November 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

Thank you for this article. Voter suppression is unAmerican, unethical, and inexcusable. Every eye in America should especially be on Ohio’s Secy. of State John Husted tomorrow. Every American should condemn these actions of voter suppression and should speak out against their happening. If voter suppression can happen to some Americans – and be gotten away with – it can happen to all Americans, including you, in the future.

Please sign the petition below, as I did, and post it on your Facebook page.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/ohio_voting/?r_by=50024-2278204-nWYPUkx&rc=confemail

———————————————————————————–

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

read your own 3:10 post and try to follow……..
and that racist and bigoted diatribe you attribute to me was actually the words of your fearless vice president Joes Biden a couple of weeks ago to dem voters at a rally…..classic

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
3:37 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

November 5th, 2012
3:19 pm

Why are BO supporters so sure BO is gonna win? Is it the polls, Kentucky windage, or some other form of entertainment? You can (arguably) only vote once…how do you know who and in what numbers are actually gonna vote this time around?

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:37 pm

“What’s needed is a more tamper-proof photo ID”

There’s no such thing…and I have yet to see any proof that it is needed at all.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
3:37 pm

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:09 pm
Thanks for the link found this to be intersting and it may/may not be relevant but………:

In general, would you describe your political views as:
Percent Total
Very conservative ██████ 6.84% 54
Conservative ████████████████████ 38.91% 307
Moderate ████████████████████ 37.01% 292
Liberal ██████ 6.72% 53
Very liberal █ 1.39% 11
Decline to answer ██████ 9.13% 72

So 46% consider themselves conservative or very conservative while 8 plus admit to being liberal or very liberal. The 9% who wouldn’t answer are likely liberal since most liberals will not admit to being liberal in public. This is particularly true of Democrat politicians. Your statistics confirm every poll I have ever seen. When questioned, most Democrats want smaller government, less federal spending, a strong military, a balanced budget, less entitlements, lower taxes more freedom and less government intervention in their lives and believe in personal responsibility; all conservative values Their politicians campaign on most if not all of these beliefs but when elected throw out all of their promises. Obama is a prime example of someone who campaigned on a balanced budget, reduced government spending, a strong military, lower taxes, etc. Quite the opposite of what he did and attempted to do during his first and hoppefully last term. Yet the same Democrats who he betrayed are willing to vote for him again, It is like they are retarded or simply don’t pay attention. It is shocking to see the disconnect between words and action.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:38 pm

“Why are BO supporters so sure BO is gonna win?”

For the same reasong Romney supporters are so sure Romney is going to win. They WANT it to happen.

Billybob

November 5th, 2012
3:38 pm

lynnie,
don’t worry……leftists will cause violence……nice that you want that……definitely a emotional shaped democratic pawn…

Adam

November 5th, 2012
3:39 pm

I am amazed now at the number of conservatives I argue with over this and other issues, only for me to be proven right in the end about every single stance I take while they vehemently deny the possibility that I am right.

For example, one guy I was arguing with insisted – INSISTED – that the OFA lawsuit against the early voting restrictions would mean that the court would cut early voting for everyone, instead of simply restoring it for everyone.

I also predicted accurately (as did Jay, come on, it’s kind of obvious) that the Benghazi story was basically a pack of lies and nonsense. See Jay’s previous column for a succinct explanation of the facts. But I have one friend who just WOULD NOT let that go, claiming this proves he was a moron in foreign policy, etc, despite that fact that in every other area of foreign policy he has done extremely well. Somehow, the one screwed up event meant Obama was “in over his head.”

And tomorrow, roughly at 8 or 9 Eastern, I believe, we will treated to the major networks calling Ohio for Obama. I have been saying for a while now that Obama would win, and there are STILL conservatives on here who insist he won’t. I have a WHOLE LIST of posts ready to go Tuesday night or Wednesday morning on this.

And this voting suppression may give them more “hope” that Obama will lose, but in my estimation from looking at everything available, I predict this will not affect the states or the popular vote in too significant a fashion. Ohio will still be called for Obama, and Obama will also win the popular vote.

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:40 pm

“It’s a dangerous path,” Ryan said on his opening remarks on the call, which has been rescheduled at least once. “It’s a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty, and compromises those values, those Judeo-Christian, western civilization values that made us such a great an exceptional nation in the first place.

Aw Dang! The GOP/Ryanbot are trying to turn America into Afghanistan II. They’ve already made a step towards Sharia Law with their oppressive laws against women.

If romney wins, all of his wives, (and every other female), will be legally made to walk around in those ugly Mormon dresses and sing those depressing songs about death!

My only hope is that TheElder Wife Romney (Anne), insists that Gucci designs some of those burqas.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
3:40 pm

BRO,

My most effective pick up line is as follows: “Would you possibly be interested in an extremely brief, meaningless, physical relationship?”

Saves on the bar tab and idle chit chat..

KAMCHAK

Well hello my close personal friend…. so instead of responding to Obama’s promise, you deflect with you not being that into me…great new strategy for you…

I am exceptionally proud of you! Can I send you a card?

Patty

November 5th, 2012
3:40 pm

lynnie gal–before you get your panties in a wad, we were told at our polling place in Gwinnett that they couldn’t hand out water or food to anyone in line. That line was over FIVE HOURS long! And the guys telling us this were black. This isn’t voter intimidation; it’s logistics.

Peace

November 5th, 2012
3:42 pm

Here’s how Jay’s lead graph would have appeared if written by a conservative. Not much difference:

“Democrats believe — for valid statistical and historic reasons — that higher voter turnout increases their odds of success. So they have not been shy about using a variety of means, legal and otherwise, to try to keep voter participation as high as possible…”

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

November 5th, 2012
3:42 pm

“GOP code-speak for “Obama is a Muslim”. Trouble is, Obama is an avowed Christian, whereas Mr. Ryan’s running mate is…well…he certainly cannot be embraced under the umbrella of a Judeo-Christian.”

According to what i have read about the Mormon “faith”, their idea of what heaven is going to be like is pretty cool. A celestial gang bang all through eternity…I wonder if there are any 72 virgins things involved in it…ha ha…

stands for decibels

November 5th, 2012
3:43 pm

To the long list of “weird stuff our Mighty Righty appears to believe” you may now add:

The 9% who wouldn’t answer are likely liberal since most liberals will not admit to being liberal in public.

Richard Nixon

November 5th, 2012
3:43 pm

Why didn’t I think of that in Chicago?!

Tealiban Party

November 5th, 2012
3:45 pm

Mighty Righty
November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm
The foreignors would vote for Obama for exactly the same reason that Democrats in this country will. One they have no idea what he stands for or the think he will destroy the United States. Two, he is the only name they have heard of. Three, they are polically immature useful idiots. Four, they are merely expressing something they have heard thinking it makes them sound intelligent.

Thanks for proving the stereotype of the unaware, selfish American.

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
3:45 pm

Stevie Ray: I got no action on…………..

You should be used to that son…..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
3:45 pm

I am exceptionally proud of you!

Wonderful, ’cause the first thing I said to myself when I awoke this morning was, “Self, what can you do today to make Stevie proud of me?”

Always great to have validation of my goals.

Tundra Dude

November 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

got no action on OBAMAS promise to cut college tuition in half by 2022…

If I were a female, I wouldn’t give you any action either if you tried a sorry assed pickup line like that on me

LOL!!! Good Wun!
(as the resident party pooper, he should be used to the Maytag repairman-like role)

josef

November 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

QUESTION

Why are we still talking about this? This is about the biggest non issue to come down the political pike in years…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

ADAM

Have you always been the smartest guy in the room? Congratulations!

So voter suppression provides hope? No further discussion remains on Beghazi? I can’t disagree with you about BO winning but there certainly exists more credible forecasters than you that still suggest it will not be too difficult for Obama to lose..

Anyhow, good luck with your projections and I look forward to seeing you already drafted commentary directed at your detractors…

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
“What’s needed is a more tamper-proof photo ID”

There’s no such thing…and I have yet to see any proof that it is needed at all.

Easily resolved. The card could be bar coded with a complete physical description of the bearer. Computeriized to keep track of number of times and locations where the card has been previously used as well as a photo embeded in the code. We have the technology to do it and we waste more than enough money on green jobs to pay for it. It could allow for a voter to vote anywhere while out of town on business or pleasure. It would forever eliminate voter fraud which means it would never be approved by Democrats.

stands for decibels

November 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

For the same reasong Romney supporters are so sure Romney is going to win. They WANT it to happen.

well no. Obama supporters are fairly sure Obama is going to win because that’s what the majority of state polling says is going to happen.

For it NOT to happen, a majority of state polls will have to not only be wrong, but they’ll have to be wrong in a way that happens to benefit Romney.

Such a thing is possible, but it sure isn’t what you want to be hoping for on Election Eve.

Tundra Dude

November 5th, 2012
3:47 pm

Ind thinker:
Republicans cheat? Never! Not even to get W. reelected in 2004 -would they?

Retired NSA Analyst Proves GOP Is Stealing Elections
http://bit.ly/U7vbn3

In Ohio, GOP consultant Michael Connell claimed that the vote count computer program he had created for the state had a trap door that shifted Democratic votes to the GOP.
He was subpoenaed as a witness in a lawsuit against then-Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, and lawyers for the plaintiff asked the Dept. of Justice to provide him with security because there were two threats made against Connell’s life by people associated with Karl Rove. But in Dec. 2008, before the trial began, Connell was killed in a plane crash outside Akron Ohio.

Jaddy Baddy

November 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

Ten years ago, GM sent our troops into battle in
Afghanistan and Iraq in Humvees that GM Knew did
not have heavy enough armor to withstand the
explosion of an IED, and got hundreds of our soldiers
killed. Barack Obama rewarded GM with a Five Hundred
Billion Dollar Bailout. From Wallstreet Banks to
Wallstreet insurance companies to Wallstreet Mortgage
brokerages to Wallstreet credit card hounds,
time and again, we have seen Barack Obama reward
failure, with excuses and bailouts.

How many months did he sit on his hands and wait for
British Petroleum to stop the Deep Horizon oil spill?
It took a congressional investigation to stop him selling
arms to Mexican Drug Lords. It took another congressional
investigation to beef up security at our embassies.
Yes we Can has turned into Oh No He Di’n't.

We no longer reward athletes and pass them, just for
showing up in class, we no longer reward students and
pass them just for showing up in school. What kind of
lesson do we teach our kids, when we reward a president,
just for showing up at a disaster? Like the victims on
the Gulf of Mexico, the victims of Sandy are beginning
to realize that a president’s presence, alone, is not
enough.

How long will the American voter reward failure; four,
more, long, years?

Winston Howell III

November 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

@ Kamchak: just devour your use of “Sport”, Luvie and I are heading off to the club to watch the ponies, ta,ta….

Pare O'Dox

November 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

Why are the majority of the polls only focusing on the popular vote? The fact that Romney or Obama holds a lead in a general sense makes no difference, since the Electoral College is the determinant.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

Tealiban Party

November 5th, 2012
3:45 pm
Mighty Righty
November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

Thanks for proving the stereotype of the unaware, selfish American.

You are welcome.

stands for decibels

November 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

Why didn’t I think of that in Chicago?!

probably because you still would’ve lost. 303-27=276, enough for JFK to win.

Travis McGee

November 5th, 2012
3:52 pm

Some of these ol’ boys have made a fine art of Mark Twain’s adage, “Get all the facts first, then you can distort them as you please.”

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
3:53 pm

billy, I accept your surrender.

Why are we still talking about this? This is about the biggest non issue to come down the political pike in years…

Of course it is.

But the faux conservatives are not convinced…

RW-(the original)

November 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

Why are BO supporters so sure BO is gonna win?

They get secret messages from a shiny Silver Nate

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

Righty — “Easily resolved. The card could be bar coded with a complete physical description of the bearer. Computeriized to keep track of number of times and locations where the card has been previously used as well as a photo embeded in the code. We have the technology to do it and we waste more than enough money on green jobs to pay for it. It could allow for a voter to vote anywhere while out of town on business or pleasure. It would forever eliminate voter fraud which means it would never be approved by Democrats.”

The funny thing is, Righty, that this is about 70% of the idea that *I’ve* been presenting on Jay’s blog for the last several months — so you’re late to the party.

Good to see that you’re onboard with my idea, though. I’ll be sure to let the state GOP know that you’re no longer ideologically pure, okay? :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

Luvie and I are heading off to the club to watch the ponies

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

MADGE

Son? Can you send me money mom?

I take no action to confirm the points I raise are legitimate…of course anything said ill about you messiah is not to be tolerated here…same goes for Romney on Kyles.. Keep the silence coming..

KAMCHAK,

The only thing that outweighs your admirable humility is your soaring intellect..you know there exists a serious void in the publication of philosophy and logic text books…you should have a go!

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
3:56 pm

Why are BO supporters so sure BO is gonna win?

For the very same reasons that Romney supporters are so sure that Romney’s gonna win. They wouldn’t be supporters if they didn’t believe their candidate will win.

Saves on the bar tab and idle chit chat..

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Adam

November 5th, 2012
3:56 pm

Stevie Ray: So voter suppression provides hope?

Hope of “taking our country back” yes. As far as conservative whackos are concerned, anyway.

No further discussion remains on Beghazi?

Read up and catch up:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/timeline-of-events-surrounding-effort-to-rescue-us-personnel-from-consulate-in-benghazi-libya/2012/11/02/c7670ec4-24c8-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/us-officials-no-delay-debate-over-rescue-effort-in-libya-libyans-slow-to-give-aid/2012/11/01/4c8697b6-2481-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html

I can’t disagree with you about BO winning but there certainly exists more credible forecasters than you that still suggest it will not be too difficult for Obama to lose..

It would not have been, at some point before now, difficult for Obama to lose. Except that he didn’t run a stupid campaign and only screwed up in the first debate. Benghazi didn’t even affect the polls.

Anyhow, good luck with your projections and I look forward to seeing you already drafted commentary directed at your detractors…

For clarity, I haven’t drafted it yet. All I have so far is a list of links with the appropriate names next to them in a note.

But yes, to the “smartest guy in the room comment,” when it’s me in a room full of conservatives, that would be accurate. :)

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
3:57 pm

Pare O’Dox

November 5th, 2012
3:50 pm
Why are the majority of the polls only focusing on the popular vote? The fact that Romney or Obama holds a lead in a general sense makes no difference, since the Electoral College is the determinant.

Very true. However there is some benefit to the popular vote. For example, Bill Clinton never receieved a majority of the popular vote proving for ever that the majority of the American People at that time were not as stupid as the election would appear at first blush. That may very well be the case this time. Without a majority of the popular vote a president cannot claim a mandate making it much more difficult to govern. In Obama’s case a loss in the popular vote would temper his wild marxist ideas and make him copromise some of his radical ideas.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
3:58 pm

RW

Now you should know better than to challenge Nate Silver…for god’s sake man, his resume is full of success in 2000, no…2004…no, oh yeah his rookie year was 2008..

How dare you?

Adam

November 5th, 2012
4:00 pm

Why are BO supporters so sure BO is gonna win?

Because the polling trends show Obama will win.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:01 pm

Nate Silver Is The Lovechild of Harry Potter & Hari Seldon

Heh, heh, heh.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
4:02 pm

ADAM

I agree with you on BO’s victory tomorrow, however, the campaign he ran was not unlike the general outcome of debates on this site…deflect and attempt by any means to discredit the competition…whatever you do, don’t keep on topic..

I’ve been keeping up with the stale Benghazi yet feel strongly that this will not go away soon…too much room for detractors to run…

Guess I won’t be saying the Clown is dead…long live the Joker…you must agree that is a great line..

Rightwing Troll

November 5th, 2012
4:03 pm

“In Woodstock, Ga., about 30 miles north of Atlanta, the president of a homeowners’ association sent an e-mail on Sunday informing residents that the entrance gates would be closed 24 hours a day beginning at 6 p.m. Tuesday, out of concern over possible civil unrest after the election.

“I feel it is better to take a position of caution to enhance controlled access to the community until we see what (if any) negative repercussions may occur because of the results of the election,” wrote Bill Stanley, the president of the homeowners’ association at the Cottages of Woodstock, a residential community for people 55 and over.

WOW… just WOW…!!!!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
4:03 pm

ADAM

Funny thing about statistics advanced or not…the aspect with the most credibility is the margin of error…I don’t see many polls picking victors beyond that measure..

Plus, who knows who will show up to vote…

UNCLE SAMANTHA

November 5th, 2012
4:04 pm

ALL YOU BODY ODOR SUPPORTERS NEED TO USE RIGHT GUARD

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:04 pm

The card could be bar coded with a complete physical description of the bearer. Computeriized to keep track of number of times and locations where the card has been previously used as well as a photo embeded in the code. We have the technology to do it and we waste more than enough money on green jobs to pay for it. It could allow for a voter to vote anywhere while out of town on business or pleasure. It would forever eliminate voter fraud which means it would never be approved by Democrats.

And all one needs is a computer, equipment, and programming necessary to edit the card information. Either that, or one can outright damage the electronic chip part, alter the information, and use that to get a new one with the complete information of the false bearer.

It still doesn’t disprove the fact that no ID is alter or counterfeit proof.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:04 pm

RW Troll — ““I feel it is better to take a position of caution to enhance controlled access to the community until we see what (if any) negative repercussions may occur because of the results of the election,” wrote Bill Stanley, the president of the homeowners’ association at the Cottages of Woodstock, a residential community for people 55 and over.”

Anyone feel like doing a road production of The Walking Dead? :D

Pare O'Dox

November 5th, 2012
4:05 pm

I don’t think the popular vote tempers ANY President from installing their agenda. That’s the role of Congress, sport.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:06 pm

In Woodstock, Ga., about 30 miles north of Atlanta, the president of a homeowners’ association sent an e-mail on Sunday informing residents that the entrance gates would be closed 24 hours a day beginning at 6 p.m. Tuesday, out of concern over possible civil unrest after the election.

The politics of fear in action and deed.

Rightwing Troll

November 5th, 2012
4:06 pm

Maybe its just the sites I go to, but it sure feels a LOT tighter than all these polls make it out to be. IMHO it’s a flat out toss up at this point.

Adam

November 5th, 2012
4:07 pm

Stevie Ray: no, oh yeah his rookie year was 2008..

Is there a threshold for which you would consider him credible? Given the massive swing in elections in both 2008 and 2010, I think him being the most accurate in both situations is a pretty clear indicator that he’s onto something.

As for Obama’s debating, I am not seeing what you see there. The way he debates is many levels above most of what happens here.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
4:07 pm

TROLL

Stop picking on your elders….rioters can scale any fence as we all know…I don’t know why they need to shut the gates as they are probably 80% NRA members….

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:07 pm

Brosephus — “And all one needs is a computer, equipment, and programming necessary to edit the card information. Either that, or one can outright damage the electronic chip part, alter the information, and use that to get a new one with the complete information of the false bearer.”

Right. You don’t store the data *on* the card.

“It still doesn’t disprove the fact that no ID is alter or counterfeit proof.”

Right now, the best bet would be keeping the data on remote servers, and using multi-factor authentication to unlock card-driven activities (e.g. voting, employability checks, passport).

I’ve said before, it bothers the civil libertarian in me, though. And yes, Doggone, I do recollect your objections. :)

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:08 pm

Regnad Kcin

November 5th, 2012
4:08 pm

“Nate Silver Is The Lovechild of Harry Potter & Hari Seldon”

I get this- does that make me a nerd? :D

76 more days

November 5th, 2012
4:09 pm

Let’s see now….We have three states (Virginia, NC & Ohio) that have had voter machine iiregularities, ie, voting for Romney and the ballot reads they voted for O’Bama,
No way the DEMS had anything to do with this, could they, wink wink, nudge nudge

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:10 pm

I’ve said before, it bothers the civil libertarian in me, though.

That’s why we’re more likely to see “secure” borders before we see ID’s like that. We value our freedoms and civil liberties more than anything else.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:10 pm

I get this- does that make me a nerd?

Not specifically, just a sci-fi fan.

Adam

November 5th, 2012
4:10 pm

Hey, day counter, got any evidence to back up your baseless accusations of voting machines flipping to Obama?

Winston Howell III

November 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

I left out a TA,sport….

Ginger or Mary Ann ? or for Madge: Gilligan or The Skipper ?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

R. Kcin — “I get this- does that make me a nerd?”

I got it, too. It probably makes us old nerds, unless the kids today are still reading Asimov. :)

Cosby

November 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

Yep..voter fraud is all the Republicans fault..lets see..Black Panthers standing at the polls with billey clubs and no charges by holder / Obama, Al Sharpton looking for Voter fraud, Obama and the Dems making it very difficult for our Service men and women to vote, The dems believe in no ID,anyone can show up and vote, Yep but lets blame it on the Republicans..and Jay if you knew anything about the constitution, the citizens have no vote…The appointed electorial college does not even have to vote for the two idiots running..they can put someone else in the white house..to bad we do not have enough intellectual individuals to serve on the electorial College look what we have now!!!

Rightwing Troll

November 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

“Anyone feel like doing a road production of The Walking Dead? ”

These people are fearful of a legitimate election result, how do you think they’d react to some zombies strolling up… (keep in mind these old wingnuts are almost certainly Zimmerman supporters…)

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

The funny thing is, Righty, that this is about 70% of the idea that *I’ve* been presenting on Jay’s blog for the last several months — so you’re late to the party.

Good to see that you’re onboard with my idea, though. I’ll be sure to let the state GOP know that you’re no longer ideologically pure, okay?

I could say something about great minds and all that but I’ll give you credit for a great idea. I have talked about this for years although maybe not on this blog. This has to be done at the federal level and it has to be mandated. The feds are all hot and bothered about a national ID card so why not go all the way? Confidentialality would have to be part of the deal as it was once upon a time with social security numbers but as usual the best laid plans seem to get screwed up when the government is involved. The technology is in place. Just do it!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

W. Howell III — I think you meant your handle to be *Thurston* Howell III.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

Ginger or Mary Ann

Both.

At the same time.

Toodles.

Alex

November 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

Voter Fraud from both sides already? I see the Lawyers salivating.. God, what a mess this could be.

Regnad Kcin

November 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

Bro – that form of ID sounds like real “mark of the beast” stuff (remember Mark? :) ). There would be real trouble getting either party to endorse.

Also, no database is secure, either…

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

But in Dec. 2008, before the trial began, Connell was killed in a plane crash outside Akron Ohio

Curioser and curioser……………….

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

ADAM

As mentioned before, in my dull actuarial circles this guy is a rock star..yours truly being a fan…his amazingly green track record is a huge detriment when considering the number of variables he must weigh…no matter what, some subjectivity, if not only for the data he selects…I hope he is right or close to being so…

Also and not to discount his 2008 performance..but a vast majority of the states he nailed in 2008 where polling well outside of confidence intervals

I made no mention of debates…my issue is that he took the complete low road and spent likely 90% of his funds degrading and attempting to discredit Romney…very sleezy…Romney hurt himself enough…if BO would have simply focused even 50% on a detailed road to recovery, we are probably not having any questions who will win….

He debates fine…except in high altitudes..:-)

Adam

November 5th, 2012
4:15 pm

Cosby: Obama and the Dems making it very difficult for our Service men and women to vote

Bullsh*t. The Ohio law was designed to allow ONLY active duty members to vote early, and the lawsuit against that was to restore voting for everyone, which is exactly what happened in the court decision.

Winston Howell III

November 5th, 2012
4:16 pm

In your dreams,Mine too, chow…. Yes you are right Joe, I stand corrected and thanks, now where are those gals ?……

Adam

November 5th, 2012
4:17 pm

Stevie Ray: if BO would have simply focused even 50% on a detailed road to recovery, we are probably not having any questions who will win….

Perhaps he just gets tried of repeating the details. See: American Jobs Act.

See also the fact we have basically recovered and it would take a severe event to change the right track we’re on. Not even the party of no can stop the train.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:17 pm

The feds are all hot and bothered about a national ID card so why not go all the way?

And how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to produce, distribute the cards and maintain a database with the requisite dept and “Czar”?

Bear in mind that there are 311,000,000 some odd residents of the U.S.

Alex

November 5th, 2012
4:18 pm

@Madge; …and the plane was filled with BANANAS, look there’s one now……………. Gotta split !

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
4:18 pm

did someone mention zombies:

.Black Panthers standing at the polls with billey clubs and no charges by holder / Obama….

Its like the lie that won’t die….ever…….it keeps being repeated again and again over and over and over……..

[Cue in scary laughter here]

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:19 pm

Regnad Kcin

:lol: :lol:

I don’t think it’s even related to good ol’ Mark. People have a fear of government having “too much information” on us. At the same time, we have no problem with Equifax, TransUnion or any other company, with no loyalty to protect us at all, knowing so much about us that they can predict what time we’ll take a dump this evening.

http://www.spokeo.com/

If you’ve never used a site like this before, take a look and check out what’s readily available on you and people you know. You can also see how little someone has to pay them to get even more detailed information on you.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:19 pm

R. Kcin — “Also, no database is secure, either…”

If the operating DB was read-only, that’d be as secure as you could get. Update the DB offline, then reload the operating DB as an entirely new copy. It would slow down updating, but improve security.

Madge From Accounting

November 5th, 2012
4:21 pm

I made no mention of debates…my issue is that he took the complete low road and spent likely 90% of his funds degrading and attempting to discredit Romney…very sleezy…

What PLANET are you from?

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:25 pm

Its like the lie that won’t die….ever…….it keeps being repeated again and again over and over and over……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkdtEkAZhM#t=00m07s

Common Sense

November 5th, 2012
4:26 pm

“Get your facts straight”

We still vote for the electors. Get YOUR facts straight.

That does not make it a constitutional right at the state of federal level.

In effect, casting a vote for electors is a privilege granted to you by your state legislatures. And it could be changed at any time.

Get your “rights” straight.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

November 5th, 2012
4:29 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
The feds are all hot and bothered about a national ID card so why not go all the way?

And how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to produce, distribute the cards and maintain a database with the requisite dept and “Czar”?

Bear in mind that there are 311,000,000 some odd residents of the U.S.

=====================================================================

ever heard of Social Security??????????
and not all of the 311,000,000 vote………
and shouldn’t all citizens pay taxes or get refunds???????
tie the card to taxes….
and clean up SS and tax fraud as well

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:33 pm

and not all of the 311,000,000 vote…

It’s not just about voting, sport.

This ID could also be used to quell the bitching about the illeeeegalz.

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
4:34 pm

GOP suppressing the VOTE?

Its stealing the vote in our faces.

After running for 6 years to be president is this

how Myth Robme want to be known for?

STEALING THE VOTE.

NoMoreRawDeal

November 5th, 2012
4:34 pm

I don’t know, it hasn’t hurt black turnout in Georgia at all. Your own newspaper has covered the uptick in turnout in the black community here.

TaxPayer

November 5th, 2012
4:35 pm

Okay. I’m all set for Wednesday morning. Now, all of you cons out there will no doubt sell all of your stocks first thing Wednesday and then take that money and buy gold. You got that. Don’t let me down now. I know all of you cons will be thinking that the end of the world has come and the only thing that will still have value will be the most precious of metals.

Pare O'Dox

November 5th, 2012
4:35 pm

Somewhere, deep in the bowels of DC, someone is crafting Articles of Impeachment for Elizabeth Warren, to be pulled from archives in 2017.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
4:36 pm

“In effect, casting a vote for electors is a privilege granted to you by your state legislatures. And it could be changed at any time.

No, it is not. And no, it could not.

Your assertion that the Georgia Legislature could simply strip me of my right to vote for president is ludicrous. Absolutely ludicrous.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:37 pm

It’s not just about voting, sport.

This ID could also be used to quell the bitching about the illeeeegalz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9dula_de_identidad

A Cédula de Identidad also known as cédula de ciudadanía or Documento de identidad (DNI) is a national identity document used in many countries in Central and South America. The word cedula means, in general, an order or authorization; in earlier times such a document on the authority of a king, or a royal decree.[1]

In certain countries, such as Costa Rica, a cédula de identidad is the only valid ID document for many purposes; for example, a driving license or passport is not valid to open a bank account. The term “cédula” may also colloquially refer to the number on the identity document.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
4:37 pm

Cosby

November 5th, 2012
4:11 pm
Yep..voter fraud is all the Republicans fault..lets see..

Remember the Florida vote for Bush over Gore. Democrats insisted the election was stolen,still do. Voters were supposedly intimidated and kept from voting. Democrats said the votes weren’t counted correctly. Democrats charged minorities were prevented from voting in Jacksonville. On and On ad infitum. The left wing socialist press recounted the entire statewide vote on two seperate times after the election had been certified and Bush was in the White House. Bush won each time again infact actually picked up a few more votes. The Democrat controlled congress appointed a committee to investigae the Jacksonville charges of voter intimidation headed by a minority democrat women. They interviwed a couple of hundred of suspected victims of voter intimidation. they advertised for someone, anyone to step forward and make the charge they were trying to find and did not find a single case of voter intimidation. LOL. All the while the Democrats claimed while only recounting Democrat majority counties that they only wanted to count all the votes, except for the miliatry absentee votes which they did everrything in their power to throw out because they knew those were republican votes. The state was recounted twice by the state and twice more by the media and Bush won each time. The non sense wound up before the Supreme Court of the United States and they voted 7 to 2 that it was unconstitutional for the Democrats to just recount selected counties and in their decision criticised the Florida Supreme Court for allowing such stupidity and violation of constitutional rights. The Democrats then wanted a third statewide count and the Supreme by a 5 to 4 vote said enough is enough, and there isn’t time. So anytime you hear a Democrat say the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush they are badly and stupidly misinformed.

Judge Smails

November 5th, 2012
4:40 pm

Here is a fact that you don’t know… In Ga, if you are over the age of eighteen, you are REQUIRED by State Law to carry a photo ID. You can get one for free at any driver’s licence facility, OR, you can whine and complain about being “left out” and “disenfranchised” by “the man”

Just shut the #$&% up and go get your ID. It will make you a better citizen, I promise.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
4:40 pm

Intrade has a helluva deal for you Bush/Romneybots.

Sell shares for $6.71 and make $10/share when the Uppity Muslim loses.

C’mon you big talking heavy hitters!

That’s a 49% overnight return!!!

What are you brave men waiting for!

You could ensure that financial security you’ve slaved away the past 40 years for!

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:43 pm

M. Righty — “The non sense wound up before the Supreme Court of the United States and they voted 7 to 2 that it was unconstitutional for the Democrats to just recount selected counties and in their decision criticised the Florida Supreme Court for allowing such stupidity and violation of constitutional rights. The Democrats then wanted a third statewide count and the Supreme by a 5 to 4 vote said enough is enough, and there isn’t time. So anytime you hear a Democrat say the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush they are badly and stupidly misinformed.”

I think your aim’s off, Righty.

If States have authority and control over the conduct of their own elections, then where, exactly, does the SCOTUS derive the authority to tell a State how to conduct an election and recount the votes therefrom deriving?

The answer is in what the Scotus itself said in Bush v. Gore, e.g. ‘don’t rely on this decision as a precedent,’ which was itself an unprecedented statement.

The SCOTUS *could* have allowed FL to proceed with the recount with a single standard, with the understanding that if not complete by the deadline, the State’s EVs would not be awarded, thereby throwing the election to the Congress to decide.

Oscar

November 5th, 2012
4:44 pm

Judge Smails

November 5th, 2012
4:40 pm
______

No one is required to carry a photo id. That’s fantasy and nonsense.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:45 pm

Mighty Righty

I asked you earlier, and I’ll ask you again. What do you have to say about Strategic Allied Consulting? What do you have to say about Nathan Sproul and his previous issues with voter registration fraud?

Yep, voter fraud is all about Democrats and ACORN. :roll:

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:46 pm

J. Smails — “Here is a fact that you don’t know… In Ga, if you are over the age of eighteen, you are REQUIRED by State Law to carry a photo ID.”

I’m pretty sure that it’s a felony to impersonate a law enforcement officer or a judge in the state of GA.

getalife

November 5th, 2012
4:46 pm

Half our country will lose.

Amazing, they think the gop will not destroy our country again.

Mind boggling.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
4:48 pm

Jay

Again — your Sunday dead tree edition piece was real good.

Why don’t we get it here?

Michael

November 5th, 2012
4:50 pm

You’re right that the members of that community in Woodstock all belong to the NRA. Locking the gates is for the protection of people living outside the community.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
4:50 pm

“Here is a fact that you don’t know… In Ga, if you are over the age of eighteen, you are REQUIRED by State Law to carry a photo ID.

No. You are not.

Jay

November 5th, 2012
4:51 pm

Kamchak:

Patience, sir.

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
4:52 pm

Bro

One’s sources of information would have to tell them about shenanigans on both sides for any given individual to be able and willing to speak about the issue. And to go a step further, one must be willing to seek out information that is not just “preaching to the choir” talking points to know those things as well.

You are being too generous with your assumptions that some of these folks are seeking out more than just what they want to hear and read.

:-)

Pare O'Dox

November 5th, 2012
4:53 pm

Had the Republicans OWNED their miscues from 2000-2008, I would have listened to them.

Had the Republicans FORMULATED a new set of policies and demonstrated their departure from their old, failed ways, I would have listened to them.

Had the Republicans proven that these new policies were workable and preferable to the policies of President Obama, I would have listened to them.

It’s Election Eve, and I’m not listening.

AmericaShrugged

November 5th, 2012
4:53 pm

Hoping for something really fun like another election decided by the SCOTUS or Romney winning the popular vote but losing the election, riots is the street Either way the adults should start being ashamed of the world they’ve left for the Milleniums: on our way to $20T in debt, jobless recovery, especially if your’e under 25, nuclear weapons in Iran, subsidizing the dumbest and laziest to reproduce, allowing an invasion by millions of illegal aliens without firing a shot, and every day the distribution of wealth gets worse.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:53 pm

JamVet — “Sell shares for $6.71 and make $10/share when the Uppity Muslim loses.”

“C’mon you big talking heavy hitters!”

“That’s a 49% overnight return!!!”

“What are you brave men waiting for!”

First, they need to see an ad for it on FNC or else Rush or Glenn Beck has to tell them to go do it. :D

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
4:55 pm

They BOTH

That all sounds good and such. However, if you’re gonna come here bitching about election fraud and not address ALL fraud, then one should be called out to either address it or shut the hell up about it altogether. Anybody who’s seriously concerned would address all fraud.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
4:56 pm

P. O’Dox — “It’s Election Eve, and I’m not listening.”

I don’t think I’ve seen you post here before, but I like what you have to say.

Cons, if you don’t offer something that is *objectively* and *measurably* better than Obama, then why does your nominee deserve my vote?

I’ve been saying it for the last year and a half — if the GOP doesn’t give positive, affirmative reasons to vote for Romney, then this election is going to be 2004 all over again, but with the parties reversed.

AmericaShrugged

November 5th, 2012
4:58 pm

If Romney represents the evil rich and Obama the middle and lower classes, why has the income disparity gotten so much worse during Obama’s administration? Average wages are down, but wanna guess what’s happened to the average guy’s income? Dems have been duped by a man who is just another lackey for the rich and powerful, sending 50,000 to be killed and maimed in Afghanstan for absolutely nothing but the greater wealth and glory of General Dynamics!

They BOTH suck

November 5th, 2012
4:58 pm

Bro

Wake up buddy. This is the Bookman blog. Nothing changed. Most on each side only have the “talk points”…….

;-)

AmericaShrugged

November 5th, 2012
4:58 pm

Should say average rich guy’s income.

josef

November 5th, 2012
5:01 pm

BIG DADDY

the Steppes
November 5th, 2012
4:48 pm

Jay

“Again — your Sunday dead tree edition piece was real good.

Why don’t we get it here?”

______________

PLEASE, PURTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR AND HONEY ON IT…

Anything but this dead horse…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
5:02 pm

A. Shrugged — “sending 50,000 to be killed and maimed in Afghanstan for absolutely nothing”

That’s strange. OBL was there right after 9/11, and we d*cked around and didn’t get him.

At the same time, we were wasting money and lives in Iraq.

So if you’re upset about Afghanistan, you must be absolutely incensed over Iraq, right?

As a disabled vet, I certainly am.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
5:03 pm

Party Animal

November 5th, 2012
5:05 pm

If campaign expenditures are any measure, I seriously question how genuine the GOP truly is in shrinking government and constraining the budget.

Why didn’t they simply tell the American people that they would put their money where their mouths are and serve as an example of responsible government?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:05 pm

PLEASE, PURTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR AND HONEY ON IT…

*&#@^*(& SONS #%$)^$ OF (#^^@& CONFEDERATE ((^%##@$^ VETERANS! @%&!^

Joe Hussein Mama

November 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

I’m out. All be well and drive safely.

And turn your lights on; it’s getting dark already.

Don Abernethy

November 5th, 2012
5:08 pm

Because Democrats vote “Chicago” style ( cheat as much as you can without getting caught) Republicans are trying to keep down voter fraud.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:10 pm

“Easily resolved. The card could be bar coded with a complete physical description of the bearer”

Anything that can be made can be countefeited

josef

November 5th, 2012
5:11 pm

K’CHAK

Yeah, that, too! :-)

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:12 pm

“Black Panthers standing at the polls with billey clubs and no charges by holder ”

When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point.

Rightwing Troll

November 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

“Because Democrats vote “Chicago” style ( cheat as much as you can without getting caught) Republicans are trying to keep down voter fraud.”

Liar.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

Anything that can be made can be countefeited

I will agree with that point.

I will also agree to your earlier point (if I may paraphrase) that this is a solution in search of a minute problem.

kayaker 71

November 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

Do all of those “stolen” votes that the evil Repubs stole equal all the names that ACORN took to the polling place from tombstones in 2008. Bookman implies that Republicans make it difficult for people to vote but so far, the only ones complaining are Democrats. Are you implying that it is harder for a Democrat to vote than it is for a Republican? That’s hogwash, Bookman, and you know it.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:15 pm

“Update the DB offline, then reload the operating DB as an entirely new copy”

And all it would take is a bribable DB operator to get false information in there. And there there’s the issue of talented hackers. “Read Only” is only as good as the sys op who maintains it. Hack into that sys op account and change it to editable and you have an insecure DB.

Rightwing Troll

November 5th, 2012
5:15 pm

“That’s strange. OBL was there right after 9/11, and we d*cked around and didn’t get him.”

W and Rummy let OBL ride away from Tora Bora on the back of a donkey…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 5th, 2012
5:16 pm

Again — your Sunday dead tree edition piece was real good.

Why don’t we get it here?

Well, to my mind the reason is because Bookman saves his best stuff for the numbskulls that want to lay out 50 cents for a real paper the fuddie-duddies that want newspapers to pile up in their house. Us bloggers get stuck with whatever else he wants to copy and paste. Maybe because we’re cheap thrifty and smart.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:17 pm

“In effect, casting a vote for electors is a privilege granted to you by your state legislatures”

Not for federal elections it’s not. It’s Constituional right. And, BTW, the Consitution doesn’t not parse out that election right. It just says “The RIGHT to vote…” And the Constitution overrides state and local laws that conflict with it. States CANNOT take away our RIGHT to vote arbitrarily.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:22 pm

“The SCOTUS *could* have allowed FL to proceed with the recount with a single standard, with the understanding that if not complete by the deadline, the State’s EVs would not be awarded, thereby throwing the election to the Congress to decide”

More than that. They should have refused to hear the case. The states control how the elections are conducted. Florida laws was being followed per the decisions of the STATE Supreme Court. AND Presidential election problems should be handled by the Congress per the Consitution.

The Supreme Court should NEVER have intervened in that case, and the Congress sat on their damned hands and let them do it.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
5:25 pm

From the nasty threat department: ” @MichelleObama: If this is what the President can do in 4 years, imagine what he can do in twice the time”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:27 pm

MICHELLE: ‘Imagine what Barack can do in 4 more years’…

drudgey spam

getalife

November 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

rag,

Reality.

getalife

November 5th, 2012
5:32 pm

The reelection campaign of President Obama had one stumble. The first debate.

mitt’s campaign is like he would govern.

Train wreck and after the attack in Libya, he freaked out and blamed America.

Party Animal

November 5th, 2012
5:41 pm

After six years of campaigning for President, Romney’s platform has finally evolved into a giant question mark.

The one poll number I want to hear: out of Romney supporters, how many are voting for the candidate, and how many are simply voting for him because he is a Republican?

I think the split would be somewhere around the 20/80 range.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
5:41 pm

get, you are absolutely right.

Willard is weak on defense.

Obama sent bin Laden to the bottom of the Indian ocean. Mitt said in so many words that he wouldn’t have even bothered to go after him.

At this point in our nation’s history, we simply cannot afford to have an effete coward from Massachusetts in the West Wing.

And we do NOT need a president who will blame our own American personnel overseas for sympathizing with their murderers.

Mitt – Unfit to lead.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
5:42 pm

Adam

November 5th, 2012
4:17 pm

How credible a connection can you make between Obama and the “recovery”? If I recall correctly, an abundance of Democrats would not vote in the bill in its entirety because of mant aspects of the plan…another piece of crap legislation that like his budgets, got a lot (or in the latter case, unanimous) got less than favorable scores by his own people..

We have not remotely recovered Adam…the unemployment rate is very unstable (despite the spin it did actually go up…)…what about real effort to reform immigration…balls to make difficult decisions as opposed to political decisions to cut deficit, pursue criminal charges against Wall St and Telecom? He’s done nothing but enhance the power of lobbyist…

A litany of events can cause the economy in the reverse direction…increase in interest rates we pay to borrow the 30% of receipts we overspend…a continued downward spiral in europe, another doubling of currency in circulation (since 2000), another trillion of wasted spending..

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:45 pm

“The one poll number I want to hear: out of Romney supporters, how many are voting for the candidate, and how many are simply voting for him because he is a Republican?”

That’s actually 2 questions…but I would add a third: how many are voting for him because he’s not Obama?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:45 pm

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

November 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

Sounds kind of like the Democrats with military voters. What goes around comes around.

I would actually take it a step further. Make payment of either income tax or property tax a prerequisite to vote. Need to have some skin in the game. That is how you stop the 47% voting themselves stuff from the 53%.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:47 pm

Make payment of either income tax or property tax a prerequisite to vote.

Poll tax.

Making strippers pay to vote?

Pole tax.

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

“Make payment of either income tax or property tax a prerequisite to vote”

That amounts to a poll tax, and that is unconstitutional

getalife

November 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

JamVet,

He freaked out after Sandy and attacked christie. too.

Glad he will be gone soon.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:49 pm

Obama should offer free abortions from 2-4PM on Weds if he wins, like that free Doritos Taco Bell stolen base offer from the World Series

Heh, heh, heh.

josef

November 5th, 2012
5:50 pm

DOGGONE

“…how many are voting for him because he’s not Obama?”

I’d hazard about the same number who are voting for Obama because he’s not Romney.

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

@kayaker 71

November 5th, 2012
5:14 pm
Do all of those “stolen” votes that the evil Repubs stole equal all the names that ACORN took to the polling place from tombstones in 2008. Bookman implies that Republicans make it difficult for people to vote but so far, the only ones complaining are Democrats. Are you implying that it is harder for a Democrat to vote than it is for a Republican? That’s hogwash, Bookman, and you know it.

===============================================

There’s simply no proof to back up claims that ACORN tampered with ballots.

Yes, CONS are making it difficult for people to vote.

They are even making it difficult for OTHER CONS TO VOTE.

CONS are “Cutting off the nose to spite the face.”

They will pay for trying to STEAL THE VOTE.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

JAMVET

I don’t think your guy needs to spike the ball over OBL…he wouldn’t have a the chance to make the easy decision if he didn’t benefit from rebuilt ME intelligence network…anyone would have made the same decision..

As a liberal, do you see any issue with Obama sending tacit approval to the world that it is ok to use drones to assassinate folks on foreign soil? I’m getting the impression that the Taliban will completely take back Afghanistan shortly after we split, al queda continues its expansion likely back to pre war levels…of course this is better than sending our troops over there but it’s an interesting precedent for liberals to establish..

I don’t think we should have gone to war at either…our arrogance continues to write checks our piggie bank can’t cash…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:52 pm

Doggone/GA

You owe me a soft drink — Mountain Dew Throwback will “dew” just fine. I had my first one just the other day. Do you find that it tastes different than regular MD?

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
5:52 pm

We have not remotely recovered Adam…the unemployment rate is very unstable (despite the spin it did actually go up…)…

I think any and most Americans would gladly take adding 130k jobs per month if the other option was to lose 500k-700k in that same month. When the economy bottomed out, I remember reading an article that stated that when we were about to see a substantial recovery begin, unemployment would actually go up for a while. That would be because of people re-entering the job market after giving up. If we see jobs being added and the unemployment rate climbing, that could be the reason.

I’d much rather take the more optimistic approach to this, especially since you can’t spell American without I-C-A-N as opposed to taking your overly pessimistic view on things. That’s just me though.

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

Obama should offer free abortions from 2-4PM on Weds if he wins, like that free Doritos Taco Bell stolen base offer from the World Series

===================================================

Myth Robme should offer FREE RELIGIOUS UNDERWEAR if

he wants to win.

Maybe they could help him WIN.

heeheeheeheehee

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

Make payment of either income tax or property tax a prerequisite to vote.

What part of the 24th Amendment to the United States Constitution do you not understand?

“1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.” — 24th Amendment

Paul

November 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

When a Party can’t convince a majority of voters of the superiority of their cause and has to resort to lies, deception and suppression to gain power, that Party is a stain on the democratic process.

Power and money. Corrupt acts always get down to power and money.

Old Goober

November 5th, 2012
5:57 pm

As a liberal, do you see any issue with Obama sending tacit approval to the world that it is ok to use drones to assassinate folks on foreign soil?

As a Republican lackey, do you see any issue with G.W. Bush fabricating a rationale for attacking another nation and with torturing people on an American base to obtain information?

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
5:57 pm

Make payment of either income tax or property tax a prerequisite to vote.

You do realize there are millions of foreign nationals who pay US income taxes and/or property taxes, right? If that becomes a prerequisite to vote, how do you draw the line as to who can and can not vote?

Paul

November 5th, 2012
5:57 pm

Kamchak

My interruption: yes, it does. But as is true with most things, it doesn’t taste nearly as good as the memory of my childhood tells me it should -

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 5th, 2012
5:58 pm

GETALIFE

If it were me, i’d go easy on predicting not only tomorrow (your guy will win) but the customer satisfaction surveys the will come out of FEMA’s/Obamas performance with Sandy…

The tone has changed from Obama getting quick photo ops to reality setting in and FEMA getting poor scores.

Its getting ugly…how long did it take Bush’s dopes to get water to the big easy?

Doggone/GA

November 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

“Do you find that it tastes different than regular MD?”

Yep, but I also think it tastes better. But like a lot of drinks sweetened with cane suger it has to be really cold. It start to get cloying as it warms up.

Paul

November 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

“how do you draw the line as to who can and can not vote?”

According to the theme of the thread, first they gotta register Republican -

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
6:00 pm

@Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
5:52 pm
Doggone/GA

You owe me a soft drink — Mountain Dew Throwback will “dew” just fine. I had my first one just the other day. Do you find that it tastes different than regular MD?

=================================================

Beware of the DEW.

Have you heard about the MOUNTAIN DEW MOUTH?

When dentists examined the teeth of adolescents who drank a steady diet of Mountain Dew, they observed a high level of tooth decay.

Beware of the DEW.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
6:01 pm

Paul

Sierra Mist switched over to sugar from HFCS a couple of years ago and I noticed the change in taste immediately. Not worse, just different.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
6:02 pm

…anyone would have made the same decision..

Says you.

I don’t buy it

Willard is a pansy without the balls to have called the thumbs up on that mission.

The downside was politically HUGE.

And had those SEALS been captured and tortured or even out-right killed, the cons here would still be partying.

The skinny lite black guy punked the chickenhawks in the GOP…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

Have you heard about the MOUNTAIN DEW MOUTH?

I drink more beer than MD.

Beer belly is my bane.

JamVet

November 5th, 2012
6:04 pm

Obama should offer free abortions from 2-4PM on Weds if he wins…

Geez! Can’t you Republicans get your women to pay for their own damn abortions?

LOL!

Marc

November 5th, 2012
6:05 pm

Jay hwy do you and every liberal out there not see the difference between having laws that protect the legitimate voters vote being negated by illegal voters? I forgot the vast majority of voter irregularities have been perpetuated by the left that’s why. If you can’t win fair cheat the MO of the Democratic party!

josef

November 5th, 2012
6:09 pm

ZamVet

Republican “women” don’t need no abortions. They got balls…!! (from last p.m.) :-)

Thomas

November 5th, 2012
6:09 pm

Sign of an inept and lazy writer:

“Republicans believe”

really- all Republicans believe this to be true Jay Bird?

So not being a lazy arse I blogged and got this:

President Obama told a crowd of college students on Wednesday (August of this year) that Republicans are “banking” on low voter turnout in November and hoping that the key demographic, which catapulted him to the presidency in 2008, will just stay home this time around.

So I then google “Democrats want low white turnout”.

interesting.

Jay Bird- it is a great country that you make a generous living putting out such folly.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
6:10 pm

Jay hwy(sic) do you and every liberal out there not see the difference between having laws that protect the legitimate voters vote being negated by illegal voters?

Marc

How do you and every conservative out there not see that the crap you’re peddling as protecting legitimate voters does not do what you say and does nothing to stop illegal voting?

I forgot the vast majority of voter irregularities have been perpetuated by the left that’s why.

Got proof, or is this “fact” colonesque in reality?

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
6:12 pm

Joe:

I think your aim’s off, Righty.

“If States have authority and control over the conduct of their own elections, then where, exactly, does the SCOTUS derive the authority to tell a State how to conduct an election and recount the votes therefrom deriving?”

“The answer is in what the Scotus itself said in Bush v. Gore, e.g. ‘don’t rely on this decision as a precedent,’ which was itself an unprecedented statement.”

“The SCOTUS *could* have allowed FL to proceed with the recount with a single standard, with the understanding that if not complete by the deadline, the State’s EVs would not be awarded, thereby throwing the election to the Congress to decide.”

You are off on several points. Just because the constitution allows states to determine the method of selecting electors does not mean the state is not bound by those sections of the constitution that require citizens to have equal rights. For example the Democrats could not just count those areas of the state they so desired. Would you have thought it okay to just recount the military bases in the Florida pan handle or just the white neighborhoods?

The supremes didn’t want the decision to be precedent because the circumstances of each election would be unique.

The federal law requires all votes to be in by a deadline to avoid endless recounts and endless law suits by sore losers.

Fact, is Bush won four state wide voter counts. He won the original election, he won the automatic recount, and he won two post election media counts which is why for wnyone to say if the Democrats had been allowed more time Gore would have won is simply not true because Bush won each post election recount as well as the actual recounts. So all the whinning about more counts is meaningless because there were two more statewide counts by the media and Bush won those as well. My point is that Democrats.to this day lie about the results of that election without mentioning tat one of the major news networks called the election for Gore befofre the polls closed in the panhandle which is heavy Republican terrirtory. That vote was supressed by the false news costing Bush several hundred if not several thousand votes which might have made a recount not neccessary. So, keep dreaming. Bush won fair and square. Close to be sure, but nothing funny happened.

Wilbur

November 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

Democrats believe that they benefit by making fraud easy. They have depended on voter fraud in close elections for generations.

If it’s important that every vote count, it’s an unavoidable truth that election integrity is just as important.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

Doggone/GA

Cloying — an apt description and I hadn’t noticed that until you just brought it up.

Boris Badnoff

November 5th, 2012
6:15 pm

How could anyone not vote for Our Beloved Messiah considering his endorsements? Extremely impressive: Vladimir Putin, the Czar of Russia who dedication to free speech and democracy is validated by the imprisonment of the notorious Pussy Riot; Raul and Fidel Castro who have taken Cuba to the same level of economic development as the USA will be after another 4 years of Our Beloved Messiah; Hugo Chavez, the liberator of Venezuela, Honey Boo Boo, noted philosopher, and our own Jay Bookman, internationally renowned unbiased political commentator. As Michael Palin said in “A Fish Called Wanda”: Revenge. Revenge. Revenge. The Maya may rescue us after all.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
6:15 pm

F. Sinkwich

November 5th, 2012
6:23 pm

Lib ilks think this Silver guy is some sort of Nostradamus.

Figures.

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
6:27 pm

Proof of Nate Silver’s genius:

Well, given that Huntsman has often been seen as a much better choice to actually defeat Obama, that whole calculator might have a bit of truth connected to it. If Romney comes up short, I’m sure the self flagellation will begin shortly thereafter along with the what if’s about Huntsman.

Truth-o-meter

November 5th, 2012
6:27 pm

Mick, glad you were able to vote. Now what are you people going to do to get rid of gov. Scott? I will never spend another penny in Fla. as long as he is gov.

F. Sinkwich

November 5th, 2012
6:29 pm

“Well, given that Huntsman has often been seen as a much better choice to actually defeat Obama,…”

Sez who? You?

Bwaahahahahahahaha

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
6:29 pm

Just sat down with an electoral map, assumed Romney would lose Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan, but I still have him winning. I differ from Joe Trippi by giving Romney Wisconsin, Colorado, and Virginia. Those six states seem to be the ones to watch – if Obama loses as many as three of them, he loses the election, he has to take four out of six. Romney could run the table and finish with 325.

ragnar danneskjold

November 5th, 2012
6:32 pm

While I admit having fun at the expense of those locked into Nate Silver’s analysis, note his clear-eyed odds for Romney assuming a rotten growth rate of 2.25%.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
6:33 pm

Brosephus™

I forgot the vast majority of voter irregularities have been perpetuated by the left that’s why.

Got proof, or is this “fact” colonesque in reality?

Just in the last couple of days there are reports of the NAACP inside a polling place in Houston, TX promoting Obama and moving their favored voters to the head of the line in violation of laws. There have been votes for Romney being tallied by the voter machines as votes for Obama in North Carolina, Ohio and other states. (Strange the reverse has not happened!) There have been reports of Democrats threatening riots, and harm to Romney including murder that have not been investigated by our racist Justice Department. There are reports of Miami, Dade and Broward counties, Florida polling places being held open extra hours in violation of state laws, All majority Democrat counties. There is a report of a Democrat in Virginia caught live on TV teleing a reporter how to cheat the sustem and vote multiple times. There is a Democrat in Maryland running for office that was caught voting in Florida as well as in Maryland. There is the president of the United States himself advocating class warfare and seeking “revenge” which sounds like violence to me. Just a few examples of Democrat voter fraud while there are no known cases of Republican voter fraud. None. All of the above examples of Democrat fraud have been reported by the media. Look them up.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
6:35 pm

nobodyyouknow

November 5th, 2012
6:39 pm

I’m in my 70’s. I just don’t see what the problem is with having to show picture I.D. to vote.It will not stop all voting fraud but its a start You have to show I.D. for everything else. And please stop with the “disinfranciseing talk”. I’m sick to death of that. What ever happened to the term all the media was useing “grivetaus” (spelling?) They stopped using it this election. I guess neither candidate has “grivetaus”.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
6:40 pm

True this is a Romney internal poll. But then most of the other polls are Democrat generated so this is about the same only different.

Exclusive: Romney UP one point in Ohio and TIED in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to his campaign’s internal pollingRomney is also three points up in New Hampshire
But he is trailing in Nevada, according to campaign pollster Neil Newhouse
If the figures hold true Romney will almost certainly become the 45th President of the United States

By Toby Harnden
PUBLISHED: 15:28 EST, 5 November 2012 | UPDATED: 18:23 EST, 5 November 2012
Comments (153) Share

..Mitt Romney is ahead by a single percentage point in Ohio – the swing state that many believe could decide the election, according to internal polling data provided to MailOnline by a Republican party source.
Internal campaign polling completed last night by campaign pollster Neil Newhouse has Romney three points up in New Hampshire, two points up in Iowa and dead level in Wisconsin and – most startlingly – Pennsylvania.
If the Romney campaign’s internal numbers are correct – and nearly all independent pollsters have come up with a picture much more favourable for Obama – then the former Massachusetts governor will almost certainly be elected 45th U.S. President.

RF

November 5th, 2012
6:46 pm

“Just in the last couple of days there are reports of the NAACP inside a polling place in Houston, TX promoting Obama and moving their favored voters to the head of the line in violation of laws.”

as reported by breitbart.com……yeah, folks are really gonna believe that source.

The Florida polls were held open because folks had been in line as much as seven hours. If they were in the line before scheduled closing time, should they have just shut and locked the doors like they did Sunday in the middle of the day because they weren’t ready for the line? With a TEN PAGE ballot, what do you expect?

RF

November 5th, 2012
6:49 pm

“Lib ilks think this Silver guy is some sort of Nostradamus.”

Yeah, kinda like the right worships and signed pledges for Grover Norquist.

Figures.

RF

November 5th, 2012
6:52 pm

Is it just me, or do the wingnuts seem especially agitated today? Generally those who are confident of a win don’t get so snippy. Are you that afraid that the moderate Dem might just win again despite all your conspiracies that never were and all the Kenyan Muslim/Socialist/America Hater bullshyte you’ve screamed for four long years?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 5th, 2012
7:01 pm

Is it just me, or do the wingnuts seem especially agitated today?

They’re also agitated upstairs in the new thread.

Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
7:11 pm

The Obama administration kicked out volunteers from the National Guard, Army and Air Force who are in New York to assist the victims of hurricane Sandy from their sleeping accomodations in a National Guard Armory where they have been sleeping in shifts because of lack of accomodations. The reason, Victoria Secret Models need the space to put on a show. In addition, the show is using badly needed generators that could be used to provide power to victims of the hurricane as well. This is what happens when Obama puts the resources of the federal governmnet at the victims disposal and stands at their backs. What a derilict. One thing is clear from Obama’s actions in Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and hurriicane Sandy is you can’t count on Obama to help you if you are in trouble. Now in fairness to Obama he does take care of his friends, especially the ones who make large donations or can draw a crowd.

Charles Douglas Edwards

November 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

The United States of America is a democracy. It is the home of the brave and the land of the free.

Every eligible citizen should have the right to cast a vote. The right to vote is the heartbeat of a free society and democratic society.

Voting is a right that many have fought for. Many Americans have lost their lives fighting for the rights of people to vote.

Any man, group or organization that would willfully try to suppress, intimidate, deceive or deny you the right to vote is unpatriotic and goes against the very fiber of a free country.

You may not vote for me so you cannot vote.

The United States of America should encourage all it citizens to vote and make the process as easy as possible.

WE THE PEOPLE STAND UP AND REJECT VOTER SUPPRESSION !!!

Brosephus™

November 5th, 2012
7:23 pm

Mighty Righty

There have been reports of dogs humping in the French Quarters. If that’s all you have, I wouldn’t quit my day job. I understand that living in an echo chamber, such as you do, makes those things seem like OHMYGOSH!!!!! when there would be sirens and bells going off all over the place if there were really voter “irregularities” going on.

kayaker 71

November 5th, 2012
7:24 pm

Wonder if that Black Panther thug will show up in Philadelphia tomorrow and give a speech on killing white babies? Now there’s a true Democrat.

RF

November 5th, 2012
7:40 pm

“The Obama administration kicked out volunteers from the National Guard, Army and Air Force who are in New York to assist the victims of hurricane Sandy from their sleeping accomodations in a National Guard Armory where they have been sleeping in shifts because of lack of accomodations.”

Got a link to that…other than breitbart.com or wnd.com?

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
8:16 pm

@Wilbur

November 5th, 2012
6:14 pm
Democrats believe that they benefit by making fraud easy. They have depended on voter fraud in close elections for generations.

If it’s important that every vote count, it’s an unavoidable truth that election integrity is just as important.

===================================================

CONS believe that they benefit by STEALING. They have depended on STEALING in close elections for generations.

Like they did in 2000 WHEN THEY STOLE THE ELECTION

between Bush/Cheney and Gore/Lieberman.

It is not the mouse who is the thief, it is the hole that allows the mouse in.

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
8:19 pm

@kayaker 71

November 5th, 2012
7:24 pm
Wonder if that Black Panther thug will show up in Philadelphia tomorrow and give a speech on killing white babies? Now there’s a true Democrat.

======================================================

Wonder if the KKK/Tea Party thugs will show up at any of the polls and give

a speech on white pride?

NOW THERE’S A TRUE CON.

What is the difference between stealing an office and stealing a purse?

November 5th, 2012
8:25 pm

@Mighty Righty

November 5th, 2012
6:40 pm
True this is a Romney internal poll. But then most of the other polls are Democrat generated so this is about the same only different.

Exclusive: Romney UP one point in Ohio and TIED in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to his campaign’s internal pollingRomney is also three points up in New Hampshire
But he is trailing in Nevada, according to campaign pollster Neil Newhouse
If the figures hold true Romney will almost certainly become the 45th President of the United States

By Toby Harnden
PUBLISHED: 15:28 EST, 5 November 2012 | UPDATED: 18:23 EST, 5 November 2012
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The former Massachusetts governor will almost certainly be elected 45th U.S. President.
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The former Massachusetts governor will almost certainly be elected 45th U.S. President?

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Thank you for that joke.

I NEEDED A GOOD LAUGH. :)

Adam

November 5th, 2012
10:22 pm

Stevie Ray: We have more than “remotely recovered” thanks to the overall trend, and the fact that the BLS has under estimated job gains for over a year now.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 6th, 2012
9:24 am

Doggone — “And all it would take is a bribable DB operator to get false information in there.”

Which is why you don’t rely on a Single Point Of Failure like *one* DB operator. Seriously, that’s one of the *easiest* things to fix; a simple division of labor, where *multiple* operators have to mutually agree to any changes

“And there there’s the issue of talented hackers. “Read Only” is only as good as the sys op who maintains it.”

You can’t hack into a system that’s physically disconnected from a network, Doggone.

Hack into that sys op account and change it to editable and you have an insecure DB.

One of the first systems I ever participated in developing/implementing was a detached, secure payroll line. There was no way to hack into the system because the system wasn’t *connected* to anything hackable.

If you’d like to detail how you could hack into a system that has no physical or wireless connections to *any* other data networks, I’m all ears.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 6th, 2012
9:36 am

Righty — “You are off on several points. Just because the constitution allows states to determine the method of selecting electors does not mean the state is not bound by those sections of the constitution that require citizens to have equal rights. For example the Democrats could not just count those areas of the state they so desired.”

Which wasn’t what happened anyway. The issue wasn’t how the votes were *counted,* but how they were *re*counted. Once again, your aim’s off.

“Would you have thought it okay to just recount the military bases in the Florida pan handle or just the white neighborhoods?”

I love how you leave out key information and then act like your misunderstanding is in some way representative of what actually happened. :D

“The supremes didn’t want the decision to be precedent because the circumstances of each election would be unique.”

SCOTUS decisions ARE precedent. That’s the whole notion behind Stare Decisis. You DO know what that is, don’t you? Conservatives HATE it.

“The federal law requires all votes to be in by a deadline to avoid endless recounts and endless law suits by sore losers.”

You pretty clearly need reminding of who filed the legal complaint in Bush v. Gore, because it wasn’t the Democratic side. And as far as ‘avoiding endless recounds and endless law suits by sore losers,’ how come you never complain about the 2008 election for Senate in Minnesota? Sore loser Norm Coleman’s lawsuits kept Minnesota from having two sitting Senators for six months.

Frankly, I suspect that sore Republican losers are just fine with you.

“Fact, is Bush won four state wide voter counts. He won the original election, he won the automatic recount, and he won two post election media counts which is why for wnyone to say if the Democrats had been allowed more time Gore would have won is simply not true because Bush won each post election recount as well as the actual recounts.”

So once again, why haven’t I ever heard you complain about the 2008 Senate election in Minnesota? That went on for MONTHS, with Al Franken winning every recount.

Frankly, I think you’re just a hypocrite.

“So all the whinning about more counts is meaningless because there were two more statewide counts by the media and Bush won those as well. My point is that Democrats.to this day lie about the results of that election without mentioning tat one of the major news networks called the election for Gore befofre the polls closed in the panhandle which is heavy Republican terrirtory. That vote was supressed by the false news costing Bush several hundred if not several thousand votes which might have made a recount not neccessary. So, keep dreaming. Bush won fair and square.”

Kinda like Franken, huh? :D

“Close to be sure, but nothing funny happened.”

Having the SCOTUS stop the recount doesn’t *prove* that nothing funny happened. It just demonstrates that *someone* was afraid of the counts continuing. If the FL EVs hadn’t been counted because of the delay, the election would have gone to Congress and Bush still would have won — so it’s clear that Republicans wanted the recount stopped for some other reason.

Regrettably, we shall probably never know what the real reason was.

Back in the USSA

November 6th, 2012
9:45 am

Jay, I like you personally; you are charming, funny and smart. But, you are a minion of the democrats, an Obama underling, corrupt and disgusting in your attempt to propagandize this election. You are supposed to be a journalist, not a rah-rah cheerleader.

You can do better. You don’t really believe all this tripe you write, do you?

hnbc

November 6th, 2012
10:46 pm

I read about these voter suppression tactics by Republicans and I just want to cry. It is so terribly sad that they believe the only way they can win is by stopping the democratic process in its tracks. One day these tactics will come back and bite ‘em on the you-know-what. I just hope I’m around to see it.

This is something that the federal government needs to take up but I seriously doubt that will happen.

Banderson

November 7th, 2012
11:29 pm

This is still a great country. I mean, college dropouts like Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh can make millions selling snake oil. Opportunity abounds, even if they have to pay a tad more in taxes. Of course, they can leave – it wouldn’t hurt my feelings.