Peggy’s story: The cruel cynicism of the voter ID crusade

Hans von Spakovsky, a former Fulton County Republican party official and now a star of the right’s nationwide effort to suppress voting through strict voter ID protocols, continues to pretend that in-person voting fraud constitutes a major threat to American democracy.

Yet when challenged to present evidence of such a threat, as he was in a recent article in The New Yorker, he continues to fail.

For example, in responding to the New Yorker article, von Spakovsky listed a series of recent alleged voting fraud cases that to his mind justified the expense, bureaucracy and obstacles to voting created by voter ID laws. They were:

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– the Democratic nominee for Maryland’s first congressional district removed from the ballot after it was discovered that she had registered and voted in both Maryland and Florida in the 2006 and 2008 elections;

– an Arkansas legislator resigning after pleading guilty (with three other defendants) to committing voter fraud;

– a Canadian couple and a Mexican citizen arrested for illegally registering and voting in Iowa;

– a New Jersey resident convicted on multiple counts of voter fraud;

– three Indiana residents (including a former Democratic mayoral candidate) indicted for voter fraud;

– three Ohioans indicted for double voting;

– a Mexican drug dealer’s guilty plea for voting illegally in the 2008 presidential election;

– Florida’s discovery of nearly 200 non-citizens illegally registered to vote, and

– a city-council race in Vernon, Calif., overturned owing to voter fraud.

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That’s the best he could do?

Once again, none of the examples could have been prevented through voter ID. Requiring a drivers license to vote, for example, does nothing to prevent non-citizens from voting because citizenship is not noted on the license.

Also note that none of the examples cited by von Spakovsky involved an organized effort to alter an election through fraudulent in-person voting. Several involved absentee balloting, the easiest and most popular way to abuse the electoral process. However, it is noteworthy that the Republican Party has in general tried to expand absentee voting without tightening oversight because that’s the means that many of its own voters tend to prefer.

Peggy Cobb

Peggy Cobb

Which brings us to the story of 97-year-old Peggy Cobb of Sandy Springs, as related in an email from her son Bill:

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“I now have a crystal clear, visceral understanding of why some politicians think voter ID laws are so important. The suppressive power of this law to deter people from voting is far greater than I realized. Meet my mother.

She is 97, in good health and with virtually all her marbles (bad hearing loss, though), living an active, independent life in Sandy Springs. She moved here four years ago or so. Had one knee replaced a couple years ago.

Peggy has voted in every presidential election since she was eligible, and most if not all others, too. She pays attention to this stuff more than a lot of people I know. She insists, often with me chafing, on hearing the other side.

She has a Fulton County voter registration card and has voted in every election when she’s been here. Her expired Indiana driver’s license used to be enough ID at the polling booth. No more.

But all she had to do was go to a driver’s services office, show the necessary documents, and get her Georgia Voter ID. Some waiting. No fees. Great deal.

So Peggy gathered up her voter registration card, some utility bills, bank statements, rent receipts and tax returns and went to Driver Services. They said “Great, you have everything you need. Except a birth certificate.”

She went back home and eventually figured out how to order a birth certificate from Minnesota, where she was born and married. Six weeks later, it arrived. Peggy returned to Drivers Services very enthusiastic, since the election was only a couple weeks off. They said “Great, you have everything you need, except the last name on your birth certificate isn’t the same as on all these other documents.”

Well of course not, she got married in 1943. What else could that middle initial “V” stand for except her maiden name, Vanstrom?

No Georgia voter ID card for Peggy without a marriage certificate.

I rarely ever see my mother near tears, but I did then. Some combination of rage and foreboding maybe. Luckily, the Minnesota county that has her marriage certificate is very user friendly. They even do same day turn-around and overnight delivery, if you pay for it. Time was short. $53. But UPS screwed up and misdelivered it, so Minnesota sent another one (no charge) to my house. My wife and I made sure one of us was home all day to sign for it.

Yesterday, back to Drivers Services. A friend drove her. They said, “Great, you have everything you need, except your Social Security number doesn’t match our system. Sorry, no exceptions.”

The friend, who had only bargained for lunch really, drove Peggy home to search for more papers with her Social Security number on it, then drove her to a Social Security office in Marietta. The agent could find nothing amiss, and gave her some papers.

Drivers Services finally relented and gave Peggy a Georgia voter ID yesterday, 5 days before the election. What would she have done without that determined friend?

You probably can’t truly appreciate the physical and emotion toll this ordeal has taken on Peggy. She definitely can’t believe it.

“Why is Georgia doing this to me! Do they want me not to be here? I thought government was supposed to make voting as simple as possible. I don’t understand it!”

I explained the reason for Georgia’s anti-fraud requirements with a joke I heard a long time ago. It begins with a guy standing around constantly snapping his fingers.

“Why are you doing that?” someone asked.

“I’m keeping the elephants away.”

“What? There’s never been an elephant within a thousand miles of here!”

“See, it’s working.”

The reality, of course, is much more mean-spirited and pernicious. Peggy got the joke right away. But she’s still not happy. It’s not funny. At all.

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No, Peggy’s not happy. In a later message, she herself spoke of her frustration with what she calls “Beautiful Georgia, my adopted state as I finish life’s journey.” Voting absentee, she says, “seemed sensible.” But on the other hand, she wanted to once again feel the excitement of voting in person, on Election Day.

“This year 2012 held new significance … my last year ever to vote in a presidential election. I wanted to feel part of this great privilege, wanted to again walk out of my precinct tapping my Georgia Peach voter sticker. Even if the day were dark, gloomy and cold, the sun would be shining.”

But “government intrusion stripped me of my established legal right to vote in 2012 unless I complied with new restriction laws…. I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”

– Jay Bookman

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Newt Gingrich

November 3rd, 2012
10:56 am

The only difference between a Liberal & a Conservative is that we only vote once in an election. Liberals vote often & even after the’re deceased!

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:01 am

That story doesnt suprise me in the least bit. I’m actually in support of Voter ID, but the way this state along with others who have adopted voter ID has done it so backwards that its reasoning is questionable.
Voter ID should be done to ALLOW people to vote, not prevent it.
And it should be done in phases, not all at once and not voted on and implemented in election years.
That in itself is a dead giveaway why it was done.
But i dont understand , if Georgia is such a safe Republican state, why is there such a worry about not letting voters vote ?

vince neil

November 3rd, 2012
11:02 am

Voter ID requirements suppress fraud, just like checking ID for beer and tobacco supress underage drinking and smoking! If you are not who you say your are then you should not vote….

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:04 am

The only difference between a Liberal & a Conservative is that we only vote once in an election.

Considering most conservatives vote absentee, are you sure about that ?

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:07 am

I also find it interesting that the new requirements for getting a driver’s license were voted on and passed in 2005 and the state of Georgia asked for and recieved an extention that ended Aug.1 of this year.

jewcowboy

November 3rd, 2012
11:07 am

“Voter ID requirements suppress fraud, just like checking ID for beer and tobacco supress underage drinking and smoking! ”

What botard compares buying a beer with one of the most fundamental and sacred rights enshrined by our founding fathers into the Constitution?

KC

November 3rd, 2012
11:08 am

This is exactly why these laws are insane. Anyone, liberal or conservative, who can see the ordeal Peggy went through and not find our system of voter registration horribly flawed is either delusional or simply heartless. In person voter fraud has NEVER been proven to be an issue in this country. It’s a belief that, much like those people who think the earth really is only 6000 years old, is rooted in mythology and faith. No facts exist to support it. Hopefully these attempts will allow Republicans to extend their stay in power a few years beyond its expiration date. Eventually population demographic shifts will erase ultra-conservatives from most of this country. Then maybe the old, rational, moderate Republican party will emerge from its cocoon and we can again have a sane back and forth between the two major parties in this nation. Hope I live to see that day.

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:09 am

But “government intrusion stripped me of my established legal right to vote in 2012 unless I complied with new restriction laws…. I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”

Welcome to Georgia , where we dont believe in “big, bad gubmint” unless…………….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 3rd, 2012
11:10 am

YAWN ! Nothing about charter schools or MARTA today ?

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:10 am

Then maybe the old, rational, moderate Republican party will emerge from its cocoon and we can again have a sane back and forth between the two major parties in this nation. Hope I live to see that day.

Me too.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 3rd, 2012
11:11 am

NORMAL LIBERAL VS. CONSERVATIVE DOUBLE STANDARD:

“Bill Maher on HBO’s Real Time Friday might have said one of the most disgraceful things uttered during the 2012 campaign season.

“If you’re thinking about voting for Mitt Romney, I would like to make this one plea: black people know who you are and they will come after you”

Imagine for a moment the outrage if a conservative commentator said even jokingly to Obama supporters, “White people know who you are and they will come after you.”

That would be the end of that person’s career. Period. No questions asked. Done!

But Maher who’s adored by the Obama-loving media can say this with total impunity.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: HBO should be ashamed to have this disgusting man as one of its on air personalities. Period. End of story.”

Article and video:

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/03/maher-if-you-vote-romney-black-people-know-who-you-are-and-will-come#ixzz2BAhbuJbI

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 3rd, 2012
11:12 am

“Peggy’s story: The cruel cynicism of the voter ID crusade”

True voting means never having to say your sorry ……….. sniff, sniff.

lefty_316

November 3rd, 2012
11:13 am

So……restrictions on abortion, restictions on birth contol. Which leads to expansion of the welfare class. Those who will never vote for a republican. The solution? Do everything possible to make sure the welfare class doesn’t vote.

Pathetic.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 3rd, 2012
11:14 am

jewcowboy

November 3rd, 2012
11:15 am

“YAWN !”

Yeah…the disenfranchisement of legal citizens of this country is such a bore.

Aquagirl

November 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

YAWN !

Nothing’s more boring to Senior Digits than somebody else’s legitimate problems. Voting is a bureaucratic nightmare? YAWN! When an independent contractor can’t get his permit to clearcut land in 15 minutes THAT’S a big deal and equivalent to p*ssing on the Constitution.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

Yeah … and keeping illegals and others from illegally voting is such a blast.

TaxPayer

November 3rd, 2012
11:20 am

Georgia, the home of small government. How much longer before it’s small enough to call Grover so he can come over and drown it in the tub for us. :lol:

Don’t vote Republican unless it’s for someone in a local office that can do little harm such as surveyor or coroner.

Pamphlet Presidency

November 3rd, 2012
11:22 am

Oh here we go trotting out the sad story of voter ID laws. I’m sorry…if we have to show an ID to board a freaking AIRLINER, then we damn well should have to prove who we are in the most important process in America! But of course, the UN wants to get their filthy paws into our voting process too, so the liberals have no problem with international meddling either (BUTT OUT). But what the hey. Since January 2009, a net (that’s NET) of 194,000 new jobs have been created under Obama. During that same time, 14.7 million have been added to the food stamp coffer. Methinks the liberals doth protest too much about the wrong things. And America will right the wrong done in 2008. Four more days until V-day.

paulo977

November 3rd, 2012
11:24 am

Enter your comments here

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
11:24 am

ID laws make sense if they’re properly phased in. Trying to make people become circus seals just to get a friggin’ piece of plastic if foolishness. If government spent the proper time and resources on proper registration and maintenance of voter rolls, none of this ID crap would even be necessary. That IS a function of government, by the way.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

November 3rd, 2012
11:25 am

Pamphlet Presidency:

Thank you.

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:25 am

VOTER FRAUD ALERT!!!

Meat Loaf may be supporting Romney in every way, except voting for him.

Meat Loaf came out in support of Romney in a big way on Thursday. The “I’d Do Anything for Love (But I Won’t Do That)” singer led an interesting rendition of “America the Beautiful” with the GOP candidate and spoke of storm clouds that have “come over the United States” — presumably the metaphorical kind, not the Hurricane Sandy variety.

While Meat Loaf urged the crowd at the rally to “go out and vote,” it turns out that he may not be able to do the same. Smoking Gun is reporting that Meat Loaf never registered in his home state of Texas, where voters must register by October 9 to vote in the November 6 election.

He reportedly requested a California mail-in ballot from a property that he lived in for six years but sold 17 months ago. Because California requires voters to be California residents to vote in the election, this could be a little problematic for Meat Loaf.

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
11:26 am

Oh here we go trotting out the sad story of voter ID laws. I’m sorry…if we have to show an ID to board a freaking AIRLINER, then we damn well should have to prove who we are in the most important process in America!

IF an WHEN flying becomes a right protected by the Constitution, you’ll have a point. I won’t hold my breath in anticipation of that ever happening though.

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:28 am

Yeah … and keeping illegals and others from illegally voting is such a blast.

What’s preventing them from voting absentee?

TaxPayer

November 3rd, 2012
11:28 am

If we have to show a passport to board an airliner headed out of country then yes out of country voters should have to show a passport in order to absentee vote once they return to the states. It’s time to put an end to the fraudulent voting that simply must be happening with all these so-called patriots that vote from out of the country. If they are so patriotic then they should be here in the country and every true patriot knows that. :lol:

Dudley

November 3rd, 2012
11:28 am

And Rush Limbaugh is the republican voice of reason????

paulo977

November 3rd, 2012
11:28 am

This is incredible ……
larry’s question is right on target…”If Georgia is such a safe Republican state, why is there such a worry about not letting voters vote ?”!!!!!!!!!!

Jackie

November 3rd, 2012
11:29 am

Restrictive voter laws violate the First Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

The US government should take these states to court and prosecute those that “stand in the courthouse door.”

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0383_0663_ZO.html

GT

November 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

There is not a bucket big enough to but the fears of the right in it. Someone is always trespassing on what they see as theirs. They are climbing over fences, getting a double scoop of voting, sneaking their dinner tab on your bill, taking your guns away leaving your manhood naked, making the movie Deliverance into a marriage ceremony, and on and on. Every fear either causes a war or a law, both limiting our freedoms, our lives and costing us extreme amounts of money.

Jay

November 3rd, 2012
11:31 am

In this blog as well, conservatives offer NO evidence of in-person voting fraud attempting to swing elections. None. Instead we get emotive wailing and paranoia about the UN, neither of which is an acceptable substitute for facts.

TaxPayer

November 3rd, 2012
11:31 am

What are the requirements again for voting a provisional ballot. And remember, if someone tries to stop you from casting your vote, they are breaking the law. Get their name and address and take their picture with your cell phone, etc. Document them as well as they insist that you be documented.

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
11:34 am

conservatives offer NO evidence of in-person voting fraud attempting to swing elections.

You can’t offer factual evidence where none exists. Hence, the emotional “waaahhhhhhss” and such.

Jay

November 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

“Yeah … and keeping illegals and others from illegally voting is such a blast.

And again, requiring drivers’ licenses to vote does nothing to prevent non-citizens from voting, because drivers licenses do not contain citizenship data.

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

But…………….but…………………Jayyyyyyyy, the U.N. wants our guns and votes and the, the U.N. wants this , that and they are coming after our……………..

um, wait a second, I’m thinking.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

TM

November 3rd, 2012
11:36 am

Jay you can thanks homeland security for this issue. Have you tried to renew a professional license lately, no drivers license no license to practice your profession. I have a friend who is trying to get a birth certificate for his elderly mother so she can renew he drivers license, They are telling him it will take 6 weeks.

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:37 am

um, wait a second, I’m thinking.

I GOT IT!!! They are coming after our meat supply. That’s the ticket!!

They want us all to become vegitarians.

Mick

November 3rd, 2012
11:38 am

The florida take

Why do we distrust republicans so? I just spent three hours in line for early voting, yes got up at 6 am to do my civic duty, one hour before the polls opened. Arrived at 6:30 and the line was wrapped around the building! The republicans that control our legislature got 11 state referendums on the ballot which was 10 pages long!!!! Unfrickenbelieveable…what a tactic,,discourage voting…yes that’s the way to win by default…unfortunately for them they will fail because the people know the stakes and they are showing up in force; in my neck of the woods not to damn many for romney…thank the lord…

Jay

November 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

I also see that in Florida, Gov. Rick Scott has refused to extend early voting to Sunday, despite very long lines and despite the fact that his Republican predecessors had taken that step when confronted with overwhelmed polling places.

“You want to vote? Tough.”

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
11:40 am

Have you tried to renew a professional license lately, no drivers license no license to practice your profession. I have a friend who is trying to get a birth certificate for his elderly mother so she can renew he drivers license, They are telling him it will take 6 weeks.

Homeland Security has no bearing on STATE regulations. Nice fail though.

larry

November 3rd, 2012
11:41 am

I also see that in Florida, Gov. Rick Scott has refused to extend early voting to Sunday, despite very long lines and despite the fact that his Republican predecessors had taken that step when confronted with overwhelmed polling places.

Wonder why his approval rating is in the low 30″s? This is a perfect reason why.

SueEllenEwing

November 3rd, 2012
11:42 am

Republicans (better known as conservatives, well, so they say) are trying so hard not to enter the 21st century. Wake up guys, realize the world is changing and you might as well join the rest of us and accept it; because no matter how hard you resist, it’s going to happen anyway. Look around you.

Jay

November 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

TM, the professional licensing issue has nothing to do with Homeland Security. That’s the anti-illegal paranoia of the Georgia Legislature playing out. They’re the ones requiring that procedure.

TaxPayer

November 3rd, 2012
11:44 am

That link from Kam at 11:35 is a riot. Obama is a Muslim and an athiest and a communist and he went to that Church where Bill Ayers preached for twenty years. :lol:

Mick

November 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

Here’s the next cog in the wheel: “It’s Not the People Who Vote that Count; It’s the People Who Count the Votes” that quote is to good to be true…

Jackie

November 3rd, 2012
11:47 am

The Ohio voters cited by Kam is reflective of the so-called conservative approach to justifying why President Obama should not be re-elected; lots of words with no facts to support those thoughts.,

kidgie

November 3rd, 2012
11:47 am

Voter ID is the last ditch effort to keep an old dying Republican party in power. First, why should people jump through hoops to get a voter id card?I would like to know why Republican governors are making harder to vote by also cutting early day voting. I would love to hear how that contributes to voter fraud. As one Republican operative stated it brings out the African-Americans out in force to vote and that does not suit them. The exact words he used were actually offensive.

GT

November 3rd, 2012
11:48 am

Conservatives figure out what is putting drag on their movements and then concoct some homemade remedy for fixing it. Newt won congressional elections changing the goal post, and then became speaker of the house inventing ways to laundry money to his fellow Republicans; none of this is ever questioned by the conservatives. Divorce is every bit the sin of homosexuality, and many times more destructive, wonder why Newt doesn’t lay into that hive of bees. And now real Americans are voting and instead of rejoicing at a democracy at work, they want to use the same fence they use to keep out illegals to fence out legals too. The want a look but don’t touch democracy, where tricky people become power brokers, and this inclusive voting is killing that dream.

JamVet

November 3rd, 2012
11:52 am

The UN?

Neocon nimrods.

I’ve never figured out why cons hate that Americans want to participate in our democracy.

The new Jim Crow days in Dixie…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
11:53 am

Taxpayer

BEWARE OF THE BUDDHISTS!

Jackie

November 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

@JamVet

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

JAY

Two thoughts..first as respects the elderly who generally get no respect in our evolving culture, I think it is possible to bring the voting to them where they reside in senior housing of any sort..

Second…do you think the current checks and balance system of voting catches all those who cheat? Just subjectively as of course no real evidence will exist…

As long as we keep illegals and others who never had or lost the right to vote from exercising a right they don’t possess…I’m sure if a smart group of folks got together they could come up with a simple solution…that accomplishes this….

Too bad there exist no smart group of folks among our elected officials…at least smart enough to put our interests above all else…

TM

November 3rd, 2012
11:57 am

Jay does homeland security have anything to do with driver licenses or the ID that Peggy needed or was this just a Georgia requirement to get an ID?

Michael

November 3rd, 2012
11:57 am

This is probably just the warm up. As the electorate of Georgia swings more toward minorities, the repubs will need more aggressive voter suppression efforts to maintain control.
Peggy was just an unfortunate bystander who got caught in the crossfire aimed at minorities who are more likely to have less than perfect documents.
To my knowledge there is only one party that has a voter suppression campaign. I wonder what Dwight Eisenhower would think of the current republican party.

indigo

November 3rd, 2012
12:00 pm

If illegals could not get driver’s licenses, maybe there wouldn’t be so many of them in America.

I keep asking the same question, and never get a good answer. How many other Western countries have as many illegals as we? If the answer is none, do they know something we don’t? Or, do we know something they don”t?

Which do you think is more likely?

Jay

November 3rd, 2012
12:00 pm

TM, Homeland Security regulations do require tougher documentation before issuance of drivers’ licenses, although it is my understanding that Georgia has been more aggressive about implementing that change than Homeland Security requires.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

JAY

You should get your like minded thinkers in FL to exercise their right to change things from the outside and get a DEM of our choice to replace Scott?

Do you believe we even have a GOP party? All they do is stupid things cause they are all stupid CONS and should just leave the country eh?

In the words of my pal GETALIFE;

Get over it you lying cons…you lose…just vanish…we got this…

Mick

November 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

Being president, one of the most difficult jobs in the world, and the process it takes to make it to the top is really the ultimate game of survivor. Who in their “right” mind would want to endure the marathon, then be a target for the slings and arrows for four long years?
Whoever wins, you have to love your country to even walk the walk….

Ooh La Lah

November 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

Word is that a Nascar ticket stub or NRA membership card can be used in lieu of other ID.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:06 pm

INDIGO

A very good point which like anything else is politicized….I guess nobody in politics want to actually enforce our immigration laws…they may lose cash or votes…

At least BO promised us this….he just needs 4 more years to get it done…

weetamoe

November 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

To renew a driver’s license in GA one needs a number of documents. This regulation has been published over and over and over—many times on the front page of the newspaper that employs Mr Bookman. Since I am searching for my MA marriage license at the moment I share the frustration of many who have the same problem. However I reject the premise of Bookman’s argument. The regulation is uniform and applicable to everyone. I still think there should be a literacy test requirement. The first such test was instituted in Connecticut in 1850, the next in MA in 1857. At least 28 states still required such tests in 1975, which was the year they were banned.. It is obvious that they are needed once again.

TM

November 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

So is is the problems that Peggy faces in order to get a valid Id because of a Georgia Law (blame Deal) or an Obama law?? Granted the premise that you need a valid ID to vote should not result in a denial of ones right to vote but who made it so difficult to get the ID?

GT

November 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

Conservatives really don’t want democracy. Part of being conservative is wanting the past, not believing in the future, standing your ground not advancing. The best way to obtain that is to clap off the new blood of a democracy, lock it up in a closet, like FOX pretend it not there and maybe it will go away. They pledge alliance to their America, their homogenous party make up gives them away. They tried sneaking black faces from the Virgin Islands, that can’t vote themselves, to the front row of their convention, to deceive the public, find the women in their congressional leadership, get a roster picture of 1950 and compare the similarities. These people do not really like this country, they have great loyalty to each other, but even that group represents less than 50% of this country.

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
12:10 pm

As long as we keep illegals and others who never had or lost the right to vote from exercising a right they don’t possess…I’m sure if a smart group of folks got together they could come up with a simple solution…that accomplishes this….

It’s as simple as the government doing it’s damned job in the first place in the proper registration and maintenance of voter rolls. That should not be a 3rd party job, whether for-profit or non-profit. When you can’t ascertain the security of the registration process, then the entire house of cards falls down.

indigo

November 3rd, 2012
12:13 pm

Stevie Ray – 12:06

How sad and how true. And, to make matters worse, in this area at least, Romney would be just like Obama.

I have an uneasy feeling when important issues that concern many of us are ignored by BOTH candidates. The phrase “this is not going to end well” comes to mind.

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

How many other Western countries have as many illegals as we?

How many other countries would you want to go and live illegally, if not the US?

weetamoe

November 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

I think the US Supreme Court in 2000 pointed out that it is a fact that voting is not a constitutional right.

M. Ayres Gardner

November 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

Just to be clear, Mr. Gingrich, Peggy is not dead, despite heartless comments like yours. Don’t you have anything better to do than attack a senior citizen who has been dragged through so much emotional distress by the government just to be able to vote?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

I have an uneasy feeling when important issues that concern many of us are ignored by BOTH candidates.

Oh, puh-leeze. :roll:

The issue of the illeegalz was never on the front burner until after the 2008 election.

This has been ignored since St. Ronnie-of-the-Raygun’s 1986 amnesty.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

BRO

Yup…I really can’t think of anything government does well over the long run…alas, they are very good at overspending and have a bi-partisan spirit to disrespect our money..I just can’t believe the number of us who want to yell in various ways (im sure they have all been covered by now) that the others suck..it really is irrelevant given the ill sloping trend of the obvious dysfunction and related flawed outcomes…

They spend money well but they clearly are aweful shoppers…

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

The issue of the illeegalz was never on the front burner until after the 2008 election.

See housing boom of the 2000’s for evidence.

1965 Voting Rights Act

November 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

A Summary of the Act

Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed this bill into a law following the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Act specifically established federal control over elections in those states that have historically proven discriminatory voting practices. In order for those states to implement any changes to the state voting laws, they must first contact the Department of Justice for pre-clearance. The majority of these states were situated in the south.

Glynis

November 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

having a voter registration card should be enough. All the rest is simply unnecessary hoops to jump through. The more barriers in place, the more they hope people will just give up out of frustration. Disgusting.

GT

November 3rd, 2012
12:21 pm

This house is strong, has been because of inclusion not exclusion. Truth not lies is how to fix this. The first truth is the cons can’t win if the truth is told, so they lie, and do the tricks they have been famous ,decades, for doing. I will admit when we housed your Dixiecrats we were as inventive as your gang, but most of those geniuses have jump ship to sail with your big white sheets. That is what you call new blood, the party of tricky Dick merging with southern segregation, not the exact recipe for apple pie is it.

Orange12

November 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

Mary Elizabeth

November 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

“Why is Georgia doing this to me! Do they want me not to be here? I thought government was supposed to make voting as simple as possible. I don’t understand it. . .
I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”
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Today’s Georgia exemplies today’s Republican Party, both of which promote exclusivity, small government, and small-mindedness, imo.

Readers should keep an eye on Ohio’s Secretary of State, John Husted, a Republican who has tried to suppress voter turnout of Democrats in Ohio, in the opinons of many. See link below.

I would also encourage readers to register their disapproval – of what Husted has been trying to do and which has reached the courts in some cases – on the blogs of Ohio’s papers in Cincinnati (Enquirer), Columbus (Dispatch), Cleveland (Plain Dealer), Toledo (The Blade) in order to keep Husted on the “up and up” on election day. This nation does not need another attempt at partisan control of voting processes, as happened in Florida in 2000.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170626/another-loss-voter-suppression-pre-election-early-voting-upheld-ohio#

Mary Elizabeth

November 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:24 pm

Just pulled this from GA License folks

Effective July 1, 2012, the following documentation requirements are in place at DDS resulting from the Federal requirements of the Real ID Act. Please be sure to bring the required documents in each section with you when you visit a DDS Customer Service Center to obtain your DL or ID.

So are the REAL ID ACT requirements more strict than those previously in effect?

JamVet

November 3rd, 2012
12:24 pm

Jackie to your point,

Today’s Republicans cannot change. They will not change. These neocons absolutely refuse to change.

This has been their great, great downfall. And why the GOP is a total train wreck.

And the educated world laughs at them for their self-imposed disease.

For gawdssakes, they are still adamantly devoted to McCarthyism!!! Sixty years after it was shamed off of the national stage!!!

Think about it, they still deny evolution! Incredible! They continue to deny man-induced climate change. Amazing. They took forever to even admit that cigarettes cause cancer. Disgusting. They desperately want to bring back coathanger, back-alley abortions. (Long live the war on women). They want their Jesus back in public class rooms and everywhere else they can force him onto all Americans.

And on topic, they desperately want to minimize voting among certain elements of Americans.

They have excised ALL elements within their ranks who dare question their motives or expose their crimes. They are now so far to the political right, that they are America’s quasi-fascists. They HATE Uncle Sam and want to drown him in a bathtub. Yet they take and take and take from him like teenage brats with daddy’s credit card. They despise the middle class tht they are in???? To the point where the ONLY voice left for us – labort unions – are treated with Hitler-like disdain.

Stuck on 1950s stupid. Insanely self-destructive, servile, cowardly, bigoted, ignorant, incompetent and deadly.

They are not conservatives, they are reactionaries – opposed to political or social change.

And they need to be run out of the US Capital Building, tarred and feathered…

ragnar danneskjold

November 3rd, 2012
12:24 pm

Only leftists oppose a basic level of integrity in the vote. We all know why.

TM

November 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

to get Medicaid- need a valid id
to get medicare -need a valid id
to drive a car-need a valid id
to fly on a plane-need a valid id
to get a professional license – need a valid ID
to get food stamps- need a valid Id
want a mortgage for a home- need a valid ID
want to rent an apartment- need a valid Id
want to pay income taxes= need a SS number
want to vote- who cares what you cares what you have as long as you vote democrat

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

When it Rains, it pours.

4 days until the election and gasoline is $3.25 a gallon.

Gonna have a steep hill to climb to make $6 by Tuesday.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

GT

Yeah couldn’t agree more..we should see if we can effect legislation to make the GOP illegal…they are really good for nothing eh?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

want to vote- who cares what you cares what you have as long as you vote democrat

How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to produce and distribute a “valid” ID to every citizen in this country?

And please bear in mind there is an estimated 311,591,917 in this country

How the racist Mormons view Blacks

November 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

another reason why ALL religious instutions should pay taxes…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFP6VUGwmAg

Matti

November 3rd, 2012
12:30 pm

My most fervent prayer:

DEAR GOD (If you’re up there),

NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, PLEASE GIVE ME THE STRENGTH TO NOT BE LIKE THE VILE NASTY HATERS ALL AROUND ME.

In the name of Christ, and all your other offspring I pray, AMEN.

Love,
Matti

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:30 pm

KAMCHAK

Darn right..stinking republicans ruin everything they touch…the legacy of all those rotten liars over the past 50 years is the root of all evil today…all they do is ruin our buzz and make it impossible to get done the things that us progressives stand for…they have a lot of nerve!

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

I really can’t think of anything government does well over the long run…alas,

Given that we’ve been up and running since 1776, I’d have to disagree with you on that one. I’d actually say it’s the opposite. Government doesn’t function well in the short term as government is designed to be deliberate in actions. Long term actions are usually better, but we don’t see them because of our need for instant gratification.

JamVet

November 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Darn right..stinking republicans ruin everything they touch…

Pretty much.

At least since the coming of Ronald Reagan…

Trilln451

November 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

MATTI

Great idea, clearly god knows those evil church going evangelicals are just good for attending church and more importantly putting money in the baskets…who needs that?

Orange12

November 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

Darn right..stinking republicans ruin everything they touch…

I never said that, sport.

You don’t have my permission to speak for me, so please don’t try to put words in my mouth.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

November 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

Just say NO to Mitt Romney and the Charter School Amendment.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 3rd, 2012
12:34 pm

GrooveSDC

November 3rd, 2012
12:35 pm

Wow. When conservative attempts at voter suppression target elderly white women the Republican Party has cleared located the shark and jumped over it several times

Brosephus™

November 3rd, 2012
12:36 pm

So are the REAL ID ACT requirements more strict than those previously in effect?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

Yep.

Hourglass

November 3rd, 2012
12:36 pm

1950’s the Republicans cherished time in history…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA

sorry but we are NOT going back….

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 3rd, 2012
12:36 pm

KAMCHAK

I beg your forgiveness but if it weren’t for all those scumbag GOPs, we could definitely solve all our problems..I don’t know how we tolerate them…get over it CONS, your time is nearing the end!