Peggy’s story: The cruel cynicism of the voter ID crusade
Hans von Spakovsky, a former Fulton County Republican party official and now a star of the right’s nationwide effort to suppress voting through strict voter ID protocols, continues to pretend that in-person voting fraud constitutes a major threat to American democracy.
Yet when challenged to present evidence of such a threat, as he was in a recent article in The New Yorker, he continues to fail.
For example, in responding to the New Yorker article, von Spakovsky listed a series of recent alleged voting fraud cases that to his mind justified the expense, bureaucracy and obstacles to voting created by voter ID laws. They were:
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– the Democratic nominee for Maryland’s first congressional district removed from the ballot after it was discovered that she had registered and voted in both Maryland and Florida in the 2006 and 2008 elections;
– an Arkansas legislator resigning after pleading guilty (with three other defendants) to committing voter fraud;
– a Canadian couple and a Mexican citizen arrested for illegally registering and voting in Iowa;
– a New Jersey resident convicted on multiple counts of voter fraud;
– three Indiana residents (including a former Democratic mayoral candidate) indicted for voter fraud;
– three Ohioans indicted for double voting;
– a Mexican drug dealer’s guilty plea for voting illegally in the 2008 presidential election;
– Florida’s discovery of nearly 200 non-citizens illegally registered to vote, and
– a city-council race in Vernon, Calif., overturned owing to voter fraud.
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That’s the best he could do?
Once again, none of the examples could have been prevented through voter ID. Requiring a drivers license to vote, for example, does nothing to prevent non-citizens from voting because citizenship is not noted on the license.
Also note that none of the examples cited by von Spakovsky involved an organized effort to alter an election through fraudulent in-person voting. Several involved absentee balloting, the easiest and most popular way to abuse the electoral process. However, it is noteworthy that the Republican Party has in general tried to expand absentee voting without tightening oversight because that’s the means that many of its own voters tend to prefer.
Peggy Cobb
Which brings us to the story of 97-year-old Peggy Cobb of Sandy Springs, as related in an email from her son Bill:
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“I now have a crystal clear, visceral understanding of why some politicians think voter ID laws are so important. The suppressive power of this law to deter people from voting is far greater than I realized. Meet my mother.
She is 97, in good health and with virtually all her marbles (bad hearing loss, though), living an active, independent life in Sandy Springs. She moved here four years ago or so. Had one knee replaced a couple years ago.
Peggy has voted in every presidential election since she was eligible, and most if not all others, too. She pays attention to this stuff more than a lot of people I know. She insists, often with me chafing, on hearing the other side.
She has a Fulton County voter registration card and has voted in every election when she’s been here. Her expired Indiana driver’s license used to be enough ID at the polling booth. No more.
But all she had to do was go to a driver’s services office, show the necessary documents, and get her Georgia Voter ID. Some waiting. No fees. Great deal.
So Peggy gathered up her voter registration card, some utility bills, bank statements, rent receipts and tax returns and went to Driver Services. They said “Great, you have everything you need. Except a birth certificate.”
She went back home and eventually figured out how to order a birth certificate from Minnesota, where she was born and married. Six weeks later, it arrived. Peggy returned to Drivers Services very enthusiastic, since the election was only a couple weeks off. They said “Great, you have everything you need, except the last name on your birth certificate isn’t the same as on all these other documents.”
Well of course not, she got married in 1943. What else could that middle initial “V” stand for except her maiden name, Vanstrom?
No Georgia voter ID card for Peggy without a marriage certificate.
I rarely ever see my mother near tears, but I did then. Some combination of rage and foreboding maybe. Luckily, the Minnesota county that has her marriage certificate is very user friendly. They even do same day turn-around and overnight delivery, if you pay for it. Time was short. $53. But UPS screwed up and misdelivered it, so Minnesota sent another one (no charge) to my house. My wife and I made sure one of us was home all day to sign for it.
Yesterday, back to Drivers Services. A friend drove her. They said, “Great, you have everything you need, except your Social Security number doesn’t match our system. Sorry, no exceptions.”
The friend, who had only bargained for lunch really, drove Peggy home to search for more papers with her Social Security number on it, then drove her to a Social Security office in Marietta. The agent could find nothing amiss, and gave her some papers.
Drivers Services finally relented and gave Peggy a Georgia voter ID yesterday, 5 days before the election. What would she have done without that determined friend?
You probably can’t truly appreciate the physical and emotion toll this ordeal has taken on Peggy. She definitely can’t believe it.
“Why is Georgia doing this to me! Do they want me not to be here? I thought government was supposed to make voting as simple as possible. I don’t understand it!”
I explained the reason for Georgia’s anti-fraud requirements with a joke I heard a long time ago. It begins with a guy standing around constantly snapping his fingers.
“Why are you doing that?” someone asked.
“I’m keeping the elephants away.”
“What? There’s never been an elephant within a thousand miles of here!”
“See, it’s working.”
The reality, of course, is much more mean-spirited and pernicious. Peggy got the joke right away. But she’s still not happy. It’s not funny. At all.
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No, Peggy’s not happy. In a later message, she herself spoke of her frustration with what she calls “Beautiful Georgia, my adopted state as I finish life’s journey.” Voting absentee, she says, “seemed sensible.” But on the other hand, she wanted to once again feel the excitement of voting in person, on Election Day.
“This year 2012 held new significance … my last year ever to vote in a presidential election. I wanted to feel part of this great privilege, wanted to again walk out of my precinct tapping my Georgia Peach voter sticker. Even if the day were dark, gloomy and cold, the sun would be shining.”
But “government intrusion stripped me of my established legal right to vote in 2012 unless I complied with new restriction laws…. I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”
– Jay Bookman
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Mick
November 4th, 2012
8:48 am
Good morning – welcome to another exciting day of life, seize it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5p_U8J0iRQ
Tax Andspend
November 4th, 2012
8:51 am
The right to bear arms is also protected as a fundamental right under the Second Amendment, but liberals have no issue with modest restrictions of that right (yes, showing ID is one requirement.) Abortion is yet another right liberals cite as being protected under the Constitution, and I’m fairly certain ID is required (age verification). My point is that it is ridiculous to assert that showing ID to vote simply as identity and citizenship verification places an unfair burden on the voter.
marko
November 4th, 2012
8:56 am
One party thinks the very word government a huge joke. This is yet another example of just how far they’ll go to prove their point. I’m from the government and I’m and I’m here to help you used to crack people up when Reagan would say it. Somehow it doesn’t seem so funny anymore. I guess some guys just can’t tell a joke. Peggy’s not laughing, and she’s got a lot of company.
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2012
8:58 am
I don’t know how many straw man arguments like the oh-so-wittily sockpupped “Tax andspend”’s were made in this thread, but for the record, I (and many others like me) have no problem with the sort of reasonable verification that had been in place and working just fine-and-dandy for years before the Republicans got hold of this idiotic, short-sighted notion that they would benefit from placing onerous requirements on american citizens.
As I’ve mentioned time and again, all I ever had to do in NJ was sign a form, and a registrar checked the signature against that which was on file. Other verifications that had been ok in the past were utility bills. The notion that a middle initial might disqualify you, or something along those lines, should make any patriotic American furious.
And it speaks volumes for how un-American some of the GOP partisans have become on this issue.
Jack
November 4th, 2012
9:01 am
The poll worker who refused to allow the lady to vote had no choice. Discretion is not allowed at that level of government service nor at any other government agency I’ve dealt with.
TaxPayer
November 4th, 2012
9:01 am
The actions of those in the Republican Party will lead to its demise. Good riddance.
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2012
9:05 am
I could see how looking at an eighty-five percent probability of disappointment on Tuesday projection might make some people surly this morning, so let’s all try to be on our best behavior.
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2012
9:07 am
Don’t let’s be beastly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmFmttQm6o
indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:08 am
Kamchak – “I am responsible for my own happiness”
And yet, you constantly complain here about various political and social things.
Looks like Romney’s flip-floping is getting contageous.
indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:12 am
joseph – 8:21 “inherent racism”
My post is factual. I guess, for you, some facts are just too painful to accept and crying “racism” eases the pain.
What a tool.
indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:15 am
RF – 8:17
That post clearly shows where you fall on the average American IQ chart.
(Hint – you’re in the lower half)
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
9:20 am
Simple Man: Jay, I go to church with a woman who is here illegally (parents brought her). She is a black single mother. She told me that she has voted in the last three elections and will vote Obama in this election. She said that even though he is opposed to most of her principles they share the same skin color and that’s something I just wouldn’t understand. So, there you go. A real life story as valid as yours.
Simple, if you must LIE to prove a point, (aka Mitt Romney), then you have not proven anything other than the fact that you are a liar.
gogators: aiting for Jays blog on how the residents of NY and NJ feel about the regimes handling fo the Sandy response
Why not ask a more salient and poignant question – How do those people feel about their STATE’s Governor (both repugs i think), handling of the situation.
It’s might funny that things that should be attributed to the sates’ governors, like THEIR inability to generate jobs in THEIR state — or THEIR inability to balance THEIR budget, are placed at Obama’s door.
You repugs should take responsibility for your own actions.
indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:22 am
“trust in the government of my adopted state is broken”
Does this mean she trusts all other 49 State Govts. and the Federal Govt? If so, she’s truly whacky and doesn’t need to be voting.
Ben The Independent
November 4th, 2012
9:29 am
The voter ID law is intended to ensure only those that are legal can vote and has passed all legal tests. These ‘tear jerk’ stories are a spin to allow illegals to vote.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
9:29 am
stands: As I’ve mentioned time and again, all I ever had to do in NJ was sign a form, and a registrar checked the signature against that which was on file.
stands, here in georgia everything is now electronic. there’s no way a person can vote more than once because when you go and get your ballot they check in the computer to see if you’ve already voted. If you have, no ballot.
As for the new I.D. laws, georgia could’ve simply started the implementation slowly over a period of a few years so as not to have people like Miss Peggy go through a nightmare like this. They, georgia, CHOSE this onerous route and I guess it’s up to each individual to figure out why……………..i know what i believe…
TaxPayer
November 4th, 2012
9:29 am
And Republicans continue to demonstrate that they can achieve new depths.
indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:30 am
MSN, this morning, has a list of “ten ways not to motivate workers”.
Needless to say, every manager I’ve ever worked for regularly practiced every one of these “not’s”
Their bosses were only interested in results, and, as long as cruelty and browbeating got it done, they looked the other way.
Romney is one of these cruel Big Business types and, since I hate these people so much, if he’s elected I’ll never consider him my President.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
9:31 am
The Super Duper Double Secret Dumbing Down Of American Plan Continues — And Its Working:
The voter ID law is intended to ensure only those that are legal can vote and has passed all legal tests. These ‘tear jerk’ stories are a spin to allow illegals to vote.
kayaker 71
November 4th, 2012
9:39 am
Liberals always believe that someone is trying to keep them from doing something, especially if it involves a minority or some old person, and that they must champion some cause to make things “equal” or “fair”. They seem to pick pet causes, like voting registration or voting “disenfranchisment”, if that is a word, as one of their stellar pet peeves and it is always that evil white guy or that Koch Bros Republican that is standing at the polling booth with his big bank account keeping the little guy from performing his civic duty, especially if the voter is black or old. In a liberal view, it seems that anyone who shows up at the polls should be able to vote, whether he is entitled to vote or not. Keeping some illegal immigrant from voting is just not “fair”. “It is is just not fair to expect a person to obtain a picture ID to vote”. It is just “too much trouble”, “inconvenient” or “expensive” to expect someone to comply with state laws and prove to the polling persons that they should be at the polls at all. The many venues that require a picture ID are legend in our society. And voting should be at the top of the list.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
9:40 am
TP from your link:
Baumhower said he’s used to hearing politicians promise that the economy will get better under them and would be worse under their opponent — that, after all, is generally the driving message behind a campaign (along with gay marriage and abortion). But what he saw from Romney was something new.
“I don’t think I’ve ever really seen people running for political office threaten people with their employment,” he told HuffPost. “It might be fair game for somebody to say, I can improve the economy. I can grow the jobs market and you’ll have more opportunities under me than the other guy. I’ve heard that. I don’t think I’ve heard anybody come out like this and say: ‘You’re going to lose your jobs if you don’t vote for me.’ Pretty ridiculous. But he did.”
Since all the “Big Businesses” want me to vote for Romney, if I was one of their employees, I”d do just the opposite and vote for Obama.
After you’ve seen millions of your friends, co-workers and family laid off by “Big Business” while they smiled and lied to them about how valuable they were to the company — i wouldn’t believe a damn word they had to say.
And if THEY’RE FOR ROMNEY, then you should KNOW they are NOT for you.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
9:41 am
The Super Duper Double Secret Dumbing Down Of American Plan Continues — And Its Working:
In a liberal view, it seems that anyone who shows up at the polls should be able to vote, whether he is entitled to vote or not
kayaker 71
November 4th, 2012
9:44 am
Debbie, 9:41,
How would you ensure that persons who show up at the polls are entitled to be there?….. that is if you even care.
indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:46 am
joseph – rf
http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1012/101222albuquerque.h
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2012
9:48 am
Since all the “Big Businesses” want me to vote for Romney, if I was one of their employees, I”d do just the opposite and vote for Obama.
I’ve seriously wondered how many people who might’ve been wavering on this, who considered their a$$hole boss’ email/memo to be the last straw, who’ve cast a vote for Obama just to tell him to stick it, in their own way.
(Eric Blair would be proud.)
“In every one of those little stucco boxes there’s some poor b@st@rd who’s never free except when he’s fast asleep and dreaming that he’s got the boss down the bottom of a well and is bunging lumps of coal at him.”
reflectionephemeral
November 4th, 2012
9:49 am
Poor people and minorities tend to have a harder time getting ID. They also tend to vote Democratic. So The Republican Party will try to prevent them from voting. It is what it is.
Woodstock Mike
November 4th, 2012
9:49 am
But it’s not Obama’s fault… LOL
“There was only one trouble with these assessments. They weren’t true. African Americans, as a group, are far worse off now than they were when Obama came to power and the gap between whites and blacks in terms of wealth and income has increased under Obama’s tenure. The overall rate of unemployment may be close to where it was when Obama took office, but black unemployment is up 11%. Meanwhile the wealth gap has doubled during this recession with the average white American now having 22 times more wealth than their black counterparts. So too has the educational achievement gap with the rate at which white Americans graduate from high school growing at a far faster clip than black students.”
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
9:51 am
Tony Soprano Explains Bain Capitol’s Business Plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reiq4lEvnEw
Woodstock Mike
November 4th, 2012
9:53 am
“Since all the “Big Businesses” want me to vote for Romney, if I was one of their employees, I”d do just the opposite and vote for Obama.”
I guess this idiot hasn’t seen who is paying for Obama’s re-election campaign. Obama really has you fooled. If you think he’s not backed by all kinds of “big businesses” you don’t even deserve to vote in this election.
Woodstock Mike
November 4th, 2012
9:54 am
“Tony Soprano Explains Bain Capitol’s Business Plan:”
Every stupid comment like this one gets Mitt Romney another vote, keep them coming!!
kayaker 71
November 4th, 2012
9:54 am
Any liberal….. how would you ensure that those that show up at the polls are supposed to be there? What measures would you take to make sure that those that vote are entitled to the privilege?
Lee
November 4th, 2012
9:54 am
But the fact remains this LEGAL voter was able to produce the documents necessary to get her voter ID card and was confirmed as being eligible to vote.
What’s so hard to understand about that Jay?
No, the “cruel cynicism” is politically correct hacks like Jay and the AJC who want to gut voter ID requirements and let any illegal alien who walzes across our southern border to vote. Our inept politicians have alreaded ceded southern California and most of the south western states to the invading hordes and now want to hand the keys to the government to them.
Aided and abetted by hacks like Jay…
Recon 0311 2533
November 4th, 2012
9:56 am
For liberals voter fraud is perfectly alright, so long as it’s done to benefit Democrats. It is what it is.
marko
November 4th, 2012
10:06 am
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”- Groucho Marx
Boy we’re lucky to have all these hard working politicians save us. Otherwise we’d all be drowning in a sea of voter fraud. Campaign financing has become so secretive that we can’t tell for what planet these contributions are coming from, let alone their nationality. Shouldn’t there be a law stating that only American citizens have the right to brainwash the masses?
I saw where Rupert Murdoch, Born in Australia, Spends most his time in England, instructed Chris Christie that he should re-endorse Mitt. Why are foreign billionaires telling American governors what to do?
Memo to Rupert Murdoch: Please feel free to fornicate yourself at your earliest possible convenience.
Mighty Righty
November 4th, 2012
10:06 am
My wife and I went through exactly the same thing but instead of whining we recognized the protection afforded by this law to protect the right of legal citizens from the invasion of illegal immigrants. I know Democrats want illegal voters to vote for them because they need illegal votes to be elected. All of the voter fraud charges are examples of Democrat fraud.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:07 am
African Americans, as a group, are far worse off now than they were when Obama came to power and the gap between whites and blacks in terms of wealth and income has increased under Obama’s tenure
You guys LOVE to quote this tripe – here’s a solid for you and a guess what:
Guess what? Obama does not HIRE anyone; those companies that are making billions daily do. Solid.
k71 — What a dumb question!! and I have an equally dumb answer for you:
Ask their mothers.
stands:I’ve seriously wondered how many people who might’ve been wavering on this, who considered their a$$hole boss’ email/memo to be the last straw, who’ve cast a vote for Obama just to tell him to stick it, in their own way
I know I would!! Besides, we as Americans are known to be rebels; we’re not about to fall in line with the status quo just because you said i should! I know that the repubs have been trying their best to dumb down america (see previous posts for examples of their work), but there are still people out here with enough sense to see through the bullcrap.
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What do the “job creators” really think of everyone else? ever see that movie by Orson Welles called the Third Man? In it this guy has been caught knowingly selling bad/ineffective medicine to people dying of a contagious disease. He sells this bad medicine at 10x it’s value and millions have died from it and the contagion is spreading.
His friend meets him just before he tries to slip out of the country (with all his money), and his friend asks him why he did it:
Martins: Have you ever seen any of your victims?
Harry Lime: Victims? Don’t be melodramatic. Look down there. Tell me. Would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you twenty thousand pounds for every dot that stopped, would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money, or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare? Free of income tax, old man. Free of income tax – the only way you can save money nowadays.
Harry Lime could work for Bain Capitol and make millions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i47-QBL4Qo
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 4th, 2012
10:08 am
Woodstock Mike
Spot on about african americans being adversly affected by Obama but still 96% will continue to support him…unemplyment still rising over 14% which is read is worst in 27 years..
I’m sure the standard response is that it’s all Bushes fault as usual but seems to me the african american’s vote for him because he is black…
I really can’t blame them and see nothing wrong with this…as long as they suspect he is best bet to provide hope and change, despite numbers very much to the contrary..
lib idiot
November 4th, 2012
10:09 am
requiring an ID is not voter suppression. if you think it is, you show your foolishness and your wish to cheat the system with dead voters and multiple votes per person.
Jm
November 4th, 2012
10:10 am
Plouffe on MTP is a broken record
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 4th, 2012
10:10 am
…but seems to me the african american’s vote for him because he is black…
There’s your sign.
Jm
November 4th, 2012
10:13 am
You know its not just cons focused on Benghazi
MSM is too
Lots of questions on MTP about inadequate security at the consulate even with advance warning
Recon 0311 2533
November 4th, 2012
10:14 am
Obama has not been a successful president and that should deny him a second term but none the less it appears that both he and Romney will be going neck and neck right down to the wire.
kayaker 71
November 4th, 2012
10:16 am
Debbie, 10:07,
A dumb question? I think not. Is it even important to you and other liberals who votes? Should it be open season on the polls with no regard for the law? It appears that you could give a tinkers damn who votes, as long as they vote for Bozo.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 4th, 2012
10:17 am
KAMCHAK
You can stick with your politically correct crap that suggests it’s not popular to point out the obvious…I guess being seen as a champion for all minorities is more important to you than glaring facts…96% will continue to support BO regardless of 27 year high unemployment?
Like i said, I can’t imagine that demographic sees any possibility things will get better with Romney..or anyone else for that matter..I can’t blame them and it isn’t an issue as far as I’m concerned but it speaks for itself..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 4th, 2012
10:19 am
…96% will continue to support BO regardless of 27 year high unemployment?
What percentage of the black vote did Clinton get?
marko
November 4th, 2012
10:20 am
Mitt’s strongest support comes from the great state of Utah. You don’t suppose the fact that he’s Mormon has anything to do with it do you?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:22 am
Woodstock — oh ye of little intelligence and even smaller brain cells or balls, the only idiot on the blog is you. Duh!
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Why are foreign billionaires telling American governors what to do?
Great question — and another one is why are people like Woodstock Mike, k71 et al, too dumb to see what’s right in front of them?
“America will fall without a shot being fired. It will fall from within.” — Nikita Khrushchev
Mighty Righty
November 4th, 2012
10:28 am
As of today, six days after “hurricane Sandy” did its thing, millions of people are without food, water, shelter, clothing, medical help, sanitation facilities and hope. Compared to Katrina, when our Coast Guard was rescuing people within hours, we all watched them in action rescuing people off of roofs by helicopter and in boats, within hours of the levees being breached. Compare that to bodies still being found in the streets of New Jersy and New York. Within six days FEMA was all over New Orleans with food, water and shelter. Hurricane Sandy? Where is FEMA? I heard they are riding around in their pretty yellow shirts with clip boards taking notes. I heard they had established a web site to keep the victims posted on what they are doing without considering the victims have no electricity. The latest? FEMA won’t have water until Monday! Monday! I guess they don’t work week ends. Where is Obama? All talk, no action. Romney did more for the victims when he collected a few cans of food at one of his rallys. All we get from Obama is more BS.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 4th, 2012
10:30 am
KAMCHAK
Clinton actually got historically low black support relative to other DEMS…I’m sure you can’t even suggest that DEMS don’t generally get less than 90 % of that voting block…
I do blame african american’s a bit for preference in Obama..most minorities follow the same path and I don’t blame them a bit…they feel much more connected..despite BO”s horrid record..
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 4th, 2012
10:34 am
MIGHTYRIGHTY
All BO needed was perception that he got out of the gates quickly..its the outcomes that will matter which we need to wait and see..as of today, those affected don’t appear to be much better off than Katrina victims but hopefully time will tell better response…I’m thinking that the demographics of those affected have an impact as well…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:35 am
The Mitt Motto: i want private business to take over everything, since I own a lot of businesses, my modus operand is simple — You got a sick kid with cancer? F##k you, you pay me. You had a fire? F##k you, you pay me. Hurricane comes through your town and decimates everything? F##k you, you pay me.
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Limited GOVERNMENT? Really? Corporatist government, that limits sexual rights, dismantles health and education, profits from the misery of the weak in society, shapes wars for profits, obliterates environmental health, and uses RELIGIOUS DOGMA to shape public policies, is FAR from a “limited government”!
Fred ™
November 4th, 2012
10:37 am
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
November 4th, 2012
10:08 am
Woodstock Mike
Spot on about african americans being adversly affected by Obama but still 96% will continue to support him…unemplyment still rising over 14% which is read is worst in 27 years..
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Ah, and here is our “fair and balanced”, Stevie Ray, the *independent* spouting more Republican propaganda.
How come Mr. Independent i have never seen you spout Democratic propaganda?
JamVet
November 4th, 2012
10:39 am
If you do not vote for Obama because he is black………not cool.
Stupid, with a capital S.
Wayward, your made up nonsense is as valuable as t*ts on a bull.
Speaking of which, how about that cred-free 8:21?
Is it any wonder that you southern, white, “Christian”, Republican males have the gawdawful and decades long reputation that you do?
Welcome to the Occupation
November 4th, 2012
10:39 am
Luckily, the Minnesota county that has her marriage certificate is very user friendly
Ah, socialists.
They’re all Scandinavian commies up there ya know?
JamVet
November 4th, 2012
10:41 am
Romney did more for the victims when he collected a few cans of food at one of his rallys.
Just another Sunday morning, Uncle Sam-hating scumfest by the anti-American Party.
Mike, are you going to self-deport after Tuesday night?
Maybe you can find a country that you love…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:42 am
I guess the clowns are out and about early this a.m.:
seems to me the african american’s vote for him because he is black…
Oh the stoooopid it burns it burns!!!!!
Clinton actually got historically low black support relative to other DEMS…
IF you must LIE to prove a point, the only point that you’ve proven is that you’re a liar. And a republican……
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Here’s a great example of how repuglicans love to rewrite history from Mighty Silly:
millions of people are without food, water, shelter, clothing, medical help, sanitation facilities and hope. Compared to Katrina, when our Coast Guard was rescuing people within hours, we all watched them in action rescuing people off of roofs by helicopter and in boats, within hours of the levees being breached.
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96% will continue to support BO regardless of 27 year high unemployment?
here’s a solid for you and a guess what:
Guess what? Obama does not HIRE anyone; those companies that are making billions daily do. Solid.
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you show your foolishness and your wish to cheat the system with dead voters and multiple votes per person
The dumbing down of America continues………
The other half of your brain.
November 4th, 2012
10:42 am
KC
November 3rd, 2012
11:08 am
This is exactly why these laws are insane. Anyone, liberal or conservative, who can see the ordeal Peggy went through and not find our system of voter registration horribly flawed is either delusional or simply heartless. In person voter fraud has NEVER been proven to be an issue in this country. It’s a belief that, much like those people who think the earth really is only 6000 years old, is rooted in mythology and faith. No facts exist to support it. Hopefully these attempts will allow Republicans to extend their stay in power a few years beyond its expiration date. Eventually population demographic shifts will erase ultra-conservatives from most of this country. Then maybe the old, rational, moderate Republican party will emerge from its cocoon and we can again have a sane back and forth between the two major parties in this nation. Hope I live to see that day.
I will repeat this for the third time and maybe someone on here will be able to comprehend it.
Google is your fuc*ing friend. On or about Oct 27th, 2010 Jay wrote an article that there was never any proven voter fraud in the US. If you Google voter fraud you will find that 18 people were found guilty of voter fraud and several of them went to jail afted being convicted.
I even listed several of their names.
To date, Jay the blogger, will not admit that he lied to you and the libs on here won’t acknowledge the truth either.
They would rather believe a liar who has an extreme liberal agenda, how pathetis!
Again GOOGLE is your FUC*ING friend, use it.
Donovan
November 4th, 2012
10:43 am
Tuesday cannot come soon enough. I prefer to vote on Election Day, yes. And I have no problem showing valid proof of who I am.
There would be no problem with voting or for that matter no discussion of voter fraud if it hadn’t been for Democrat collusion in voter fraud.
Democrats are the quintessential snake oil salesmen and greasy get-things-done political party. They are the ones who vote from the dead and they are the ones who rail against rules to make voter fraud difficult for unlawful voters. Democrats prescribe to the rule whereby “if you can beat the Republicans fairly, then cheat”. Democrats got caught red-handed with A.C.O.R.N and the Democrats have used the corrupt pit bull DOJ to sue states from cleaning up voter register rolls. Think about it for God’s sake!
The Democrat Party is the problem and its supporting voters are the problem. The only way for the Democrat Party to pass its kooky agenda is through voter fraud and the liberal court system. Fair minded voters will never pass liberal ideology. You get the point? Enough with the hand wringing and disdain for lawful oversight. You people caused the problem.
Mighty Righty
November 4th, 2012
10:43 am
Guess what? Obama does not HIRE anyone; those companies that are making billions daily do.
This statement contradicts Obama himself. He claims over and over to having created either two million jobs or five million jobs depending on which lie he is using at the time. He ignores the fact that there are fewer people working today than the day he took office. His incorrect math was on display Friday when he claimed he added 171,000 jobs during the month od October. While that is true he left out the fact that 170,000 others lost their jobs making a net gain of 1,000 jobs for the month which is why in spite of his claims of two million or five million jobs being created unemployed has increased during his term. But the teleprompters make him sound intelligent and the air heads believe.
Fred ™
November 4th, 2012
10:45 am
Jamvet: Mike loves THIS Country, the same way the Germans in 1932 did………….
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:46 am
Romney did more for the victims when he collected a few cans of food at one of his rallys. All we get from Obama is more BS.
You guys must be getting desperate to politicize a hurricane!! Duh!
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:49 am
He claims over and over to having created either two million jobs or five million jobs depending on which lie he is using at the time.
He has SAVED jobs by saving the auto industry and he’s also signed into law a jobs initiative package which he gave to the STATES to handle.
Some states, like TEXAS and FLORIDA, used their money to balance their budgets — NOT to create jobs.
Why don’t any of you repugs EVAH criticize the republican led STATE officials in your states for THEIR mismanagement?
Too hard for you guys to tell the truth at least once OR to own up to your own inefficiencies and lies?
RF
November 4th, 2012
10:50 am
“If you Google voter fraud you will find that 18 people were found guilty of voter fraud and several of them went to jail afted being convicted”
18 out of oh, about 150 MILLION….yeah, that’s statistically alarming.
Tundra Dude
November 4th, 2012
10:51 am
Romney did more for the victims when he collected a few cans of food at one of his rallys.
I heard he also donated a yacht-load of flip flops to NJ.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:51 am
Donovan at 10:43 — So much stoooopid, so little time…………….
Mighty Righty
November 4th, 2012
10:52 am
Latest polls show Romney ahead in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia, and Colorado and even in Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsis and Ohio. If that is true, a large stench will be removed from our nation on Tuesday.
Jackie
November 4th, 2012
10:52 am
It appears the US Constitution, First Amendment and the 14th Amendment, clearly states that voting is a right, not a privilege
Many seem to feel that we should have poll taxes and qualifications tests in order to vote.
Please read the posted article that clearly states both actions are unconstitutional.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0383_0663_ZO.html
Tundra Dude
November 4th, 2012
10:53 am
half brain wrote:
Again GOOGLE is your FUC*ING friend, use it.
No it’s not!
Friends don’t spy on you.
Use ixquick.com
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
10:54 am
18 out of oh, about 150 MILLION….yeah, that’s statistically alarming
Good God! EIGHTEEN!!?? Ethel – go get my gun!
Jeffrey
November 4th, 2012
10:55 am
I feel for Peggy but she and her family and friends handled it with class. Me, I’d have gone jersey on em and I wouldn’t feel bad about it at all.
DannyX
November 4th, 2012
10:56 am
“Latest polls show Romney ahead in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia, and Colorado and even in Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsis and Ohio. If that is true, a large stench will be removed from our nation on Tuesday.”
LMAO!!!
josef
November 4th, 2012
10:57 am
INDIGO
You posted:
Indigo
“November 3rd, 2012
8:12 pm
Some illegals from Mexico are masters of phony ID’s. A driver’s license is nothing to them. I imagine most illegals know who to go to for a SS card, driver’s license, etc.
Am I the only one here who knows this?
To which I responded”
“josef
November 3rd, 2012
8:21 pm
indigo
“Some illegals from Mexico are masters of phony ID’s”
Aside from the inherent racism involved in that statement, the second part
“I imagine most illegals know who to go to for a SS card, driver’s license, etc.”
has a modicum of truth to it…and, no, you’re not the only one who knows it…what documents do you need, how much are you willing to pay, when do you need them? What type of potential inspection will they have to pass?”
To which you respond:
“indigo
November 4th, 2012
9:12 am
joseph – 8:21 “inherent racism”
My post is factual. I guess, for you, some facts are just too painful to accept and crying “racism” eases the pain.
What a tool.”
You made that the attribution of such to “Mexicans,” equating such fraud to a single class of people. That’s the inherent racism. You could have just as easily made the point using any other group of people. You might have said Russians, Israelis, Nigerians, Romany, Iranis, or Bulgarians, classes who have some expertise in producing fake documents.
Yes, inherent racism in the presentation of “the truth.” You are getting your tail feathers in a ruff over “some facts are just to painful” when applied to you.
And finally, the swipe at RF and IQ is just plain silly, Girlfriend, and it certainly does not incline one to take seriously anything else you might have to say.
Tundra Dude
November 4th, 2012
10:58 am
Latest polls show Romney ahead in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia, and Colorado and even in Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Ohio. I
Rasmussen needs to quit dialing landline phones……..he gets mostly old flatulating conservatives.
RF
November 4th, 2012
10:58 am
@indigo 9:15- then pray tell and enlighten us all as to the expert knowledge you have of how it’s done. The best we can do is speculate, unless you have done it yourself. I never said it can’t be done or isn’t being done- but where’s the proof? How would you go about it? It’s not like you go on Craigslist or find it at some mall kiosk. How then does one get such illegal paperwork?
Sheesh…just because you “know” it’s happening or read about it on breitbart.com or Fox doesn’t make it so. Some folks “know” there are aliens abducting them and poking them with anal probes. We call them crazy.
josef
November 4th, 2012
10:59 am
THAT SAID…
How the hell are y’all this fine I’m-stuck-at-the-keyboard Sunday a.m.?
Fred ™
November 4th, 2012
11:00 am
Just about time to go get the voting materials…………..
Mighty Righty
November 4th, 2012
11:00 am
Tundra Dude
November 4th, 2012
10:51 am
Romney did more for the victims when he collected a few cans of food at one of his rallys.
I heard he also donated a yacht-load of flip flops to NJ
Thank you, I didn’t know that but after seeing a lot of Sandy victims who are without shoes and Obama doing nothing, I say way to go Mitt! If When Obama flew Air Force One to the catastrophe last week he would have spent some of his millions and used our airplane to deliver Pizzas like he did in Florida during the hurricane he could have actually done some good. But alas, all we get from Obama is hot air.
Fred ™
November 4th, 2012
11:01 am
I’m fine josef. Just waiting a few more minutes to go get all my stuff for the election Tuesday. Aftert hat I have to chase down a guy at a bar to get some appliance repair info……… that is if I can persuade him to give it up lol.
Jackie
November 4th, 2012
11:04 am
The posted information indicates that being employed by the Federal government has declined substantially since 1968.
http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historicaltables/totalgovernmentsince1962.asp
The US Labor Department demonstrates a statistical breakdown of those who work for the Federal, State and Local governments.
http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/#.UJaDLaDeAjU
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
11:04 am
From his post at 11:00 — I think Mighty Silly has finally lost what’s left of his mind. That ODS must have finally driven him over the edge.
Either that or he dranked his breakfast this morning………
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
11:06 am
The posted information indicates that being employed by the Federal government has declined substantially since 1968.
That’s because the repugs DEMANDED a cut in government. You cut government jobs you get unemployment. You cut enough government jobs you get HIGH unemployment.
This is so simple even a repug should be able to do the math on it.
Junior Samples
November 4th, 2012
11:06 am
Dems would prefer that no ID be required. Before long we’ll have farm animals voting. Dems would sell their soul and destroy tis country for a few votes….how sad.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
11:08 am
What voting materials do you need Fred?
RF
November 4th, 2012
11:11 am
“Democrats got caught red-handed with A.C.O.R.N ”
Exactly what did they get caught with? A few disinterested voter registration folks making up names or something, if I recall. That “scandal” didn’t last long and isn’t any worse than this:
“On Monday, North Carolina election officials became the latest to announce they were taking a closer look at the unfolding voter registration scandal surrounding a notorious Republican consulting firm hired to sign up new voters in five key election states; Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada and North Carolina.
The firm made headlines last week when potentially fraudulent registration forms were flagged in “at least 11″ Florida counties, all submitted by the state Republican Party and collected by Strategic Allied Consulting. The firm is run by GOP operative Nathan Sproul, a former head of the Arizona Christian Coalition and the Arizona Republican Party.
At the center of the controversy are recently submitted registration forms deemed to be “questionable” by states elections officials. The suspicion surrounds “similar-looking signatures, missing information and wrong addresses on the forms,” according to the Palm Beach Post. (In the wake of allegations, the Republican Party of Florida, North Carolina, and Colorado pulled the plug on Sproul’s voter registration project. The Republican National Committee has also reportedly cut ties with the firm.)”
How many actual cases of voter fraud did they find with ACORN? Who got convicted?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
11:12 am
The double down on the dumbing down continues:
Before long we’ll have farm animals voting. Dems would sell their soul and destroy tis country for a few votes….how sad
Somewhere, a baby is crying,cause he knows he’s going to grow up around stupid people………
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 4th, 2012
11:15 am
GOP operative Nathan Sproul, a former head of the Arizona Christian Coalition
OMG a CHRISTIAN doing those things? Say it isn’t so!
RF
November 4th, 2012
11:18 am
Mornin’ josef: I’m good this morning. Got to sleep in and put off ironing for a bit. I’m too cheap to take clothes to the cleaners these days. Furlough days necessitated getting the old ironing board out and doing it the old-fashioned way.
RF
November 4th, 2012
11:21 am
DDR: It’s okay if you’re doing “God’s work” dontcha know?
Midori
November 4th, 2012
11:22 am
Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Arrested For Allegedly Trying To Vote Twice
Investigators today arrested a Southern Nevada woman suspected of trying to vote twice this week at two different polling locations.
Roxanne Rubin was taken into custody as she arrived for work at the Riviera hotel-casino, investigators said. Rubin, 56, is a registered Republican who lives in Henderson, according to the Clark County Registrar.
Rubin allegedly cast a vote Monday at the Anthem Community Center in Henderson. Later that day, she tried to vote a second time at an early voting location on Eastern Avenue, investigators said.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/nov/02/southern-nevada-woman-arrested-suspicion-trying-vo/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 4th, 2012
11:23 am
..most minorities follow the same path and I don’t blame them a bit…they feel much more connected..despite BO”s horrid record..
This “connect[tion]” that they feel — are you aware of it’s existence because you saw it in the grocery cart of the woman in front of you at Whole Foods?
TaxPayer
November 4th, 2012
11:25 am
Latest polls show Mitt is a loser.
RF
November 4th, 2012
11:27 am
Oh, and btw, Strategic Allied Consulting was paid more than 3.3 MILLION from the Republican National Committee this year alone for its…work (guess I coulda made up for some furlough days with a good scheme like that).
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 4th, 2012
11:29 am
Recon 0311 2533 :
“For liberals voter fraud is perfectly alright, so long
as it’s done to benefit Democrats. It is what it is.”
You hit the nail on the head. THANK YOU!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 4th, 2012
11:29 am
Hiya, Midori!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 4th, 2012
11:29 am
DEBBIEDORIGHT
Please examine and let me know what you conclude..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992
Also, I guess relative to the creation of jobs, I guess you are confirming that your buy President Trillions is directly responsible per his policies of all the new jobs despite mean old business men not being charity providers?
You should take some time to study the business objectives of all those unpartriotic companies hoarding cash instead of paying the unemployed to do nothing..you can do better..
josef
November 4th, 2012
11:30 am
RF
Having that leisurely extra cup of coffee, myself. The usual Sunday koffee klatch was put on hold this week. No need to rehash the election.
And those furlough days,,,ouch!
Been meaning to ask, what do you teach?
Doggone/GA
November 4th, 2012
11:31 am
“For liberals voter fraud is perfectly alright, so long
as it’s done to benefit Democrats. It is what it is.”
That’s right… a lie is always a lie
Midori
November 4th, 2012
11:32 am
hi Kammy
isn’t it strange none of the knuckleheads commented on the REPUBLICAN crook trying to vote twice?
not ONE comment?????
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 4th, 2012
11:32 am
KAMCHAK
You last post…changing the goal line…how can you suggest that blacks and minorities feeling more connected to BO regardless of his putrid track record representing them, has anything to do with who is standing in front of me at the grocery store?
Look around your house….maybe you dropped your game on the floor somewhere..
josef
November 4th, 2012
11:32 am
Hi ya, MIDORI! You doin’ all right?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 4th, 2012
11:33 am
Midori
IOKIYAR