Peggy’s story: The cruel cynicism of the voter ID crusade
Hans von Spakovsky, a former Fulton County Republican party official and now a star of the right’s nationwide effort to suppress voting through strict voter ID protocols, continues to pretend that in-person voting fraud constitutes a major threat to American democracy.
Yet when challenged to present evidence of such a threat, as he was in a recent article in The New Yorker, he continues to fail.
For example, in responding to the New Yorker article, von Spakovsky listed a series of recent alleged voting fraud cases that to his mind justified the expense, bureaucracy and obstacles to voting created by voter ID laws. They were:
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– the Democratic nominee for Maryland’s first congressional district removed from the ballot after it was discovered that she had registered and voted in both Maryland and Florida in the 2006 and 2008 elections;
– an Arkansas legislator resigning after pleading guilty (with three other defendants) to committing voter fraud;
– a Canadian couple and a Mexican citizen arrested for illegally registering and voting in Iowa;
– a New Jersey resident convicted on multiple counts of voter fraud;
– three Indiana residents (including a former Democratic mayoral candidate) indicted for voter fraud;
– three Ohioans indicted for double voting;
– a Mexican drug dealer’s guilty plea for voting illegally in the 2008 presidential election;
– Florida’s discovery of nearly 200 non-citizens illegally registered to vote, and
– a city-council race in Vernon, Calif., overturned owing to voter fraud.
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That’s the best he could do?
Once again, none of the examples could have been prevented through voter ID. Requiring a drivers license to vote, for example, does nothing to prevent non-citizens from voting because citizenship is not noted on the license.
Also note that none of the examples cited by von Spakovsky involved an organized effort to alter an election through fraudulent in-person voting. Several involved absentee balloting, the easiest and most popular way to abuse the electoral process. However, it is noteworthy that the Republican Party has in general tried to expand absentee voting without tightening oversight because that’s the means that many of its own voters tend to prefer.
Peggy Cobb
Which brings us to the story of 97-year-old Peggy Cobb of Sandy Springs, as related in an email from her son Bill:
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“I now have a crystal clear, visceral understanding of why some politicians think voter ID laws are so important. The suppressive power of this law to deter people from voting is far greater than I realized. Meet my mother.
She is 97, in good health and with virtually all her marbles (bad hearing loss, though), living an active, independent life in Sandy Springs. She moved here four years ago or so. Had one knee replaced a couple years ago.
Peggy has voted in every presidential election since she was eligible, and most if not all others, too. She pays attention to this stuff more than a lot of people I know. She insists, often with me chafing, on hearing the other side.
She has a Fulton County voter registration card and has voted in every election when she’s been here. Her expired Indiana driver’s license used to be enough ID at the polling booth. No more.
But all she had to do was go to a driver’s services office, show the necessary documents, and get her Georgia Voter ID. Some waiting. No fees. Great deal.
So Peggy gathered up her voter registration card, some utility bills, bank statements, rent receipts and tax returns and went to Driver Services. They said “Great, you have everything you need. Except a birth certificate.”
She went back home and eventually figured out how to order a birth certificate from Minnesota, where she was born and married. Six weeks later, it arrived. Peggy returned to Drivers Services very enthusiastic, since the election was only a couple weeks off. They said “Great, you have everything you need, except the last name on your birth certificate isn’t the same as on all these other documents.”
Well of course not, she got married in 1943. What else could that middle initial “V” stand for except her maiden name, Vanstrom?
No Georgia voter ID card for Peggy without a marriage certificate.
I rarely ever see my mother near tears, but I did then. Some combination of rage and foreboding maybe. Luckily, the Minnesota county that has her marriage certificate is very user friendly. They even do same day turn-around and overnight delivery, if you pay for it. Time was short. $53. But UPS screwed up and misdelivered it, so Minnesota sent another one (no charge) to my house. My wife and I made sure one of us was home all day to sign for it.
Yesterday, back to Drivers Services. A friend drove her. They said, “Great, you have everything you need, except your Social Security number doesn’t match our system. Sorry, no exceptions.”
The friend, who had only bargained for lunch really, drove Peggy home to search for more papers with her Social Security number on it, then drove her to a Social Security office in Marietta. The agent could find nothing amiss, and gave her some papers.
Drivers Services finally relented and gave Peggy a Georgia voter ID yesterday, 5 days before the election. What would she have done without that determined friend?
You probably can’t truly appreciate the physical and emotion toll this ordeal has taken on Peggy. She definitely can’t believe it.
“Why is Georgia doing this to me! Do they want me not to be here? I thought government was supposed to make voting as simple as possible. I don’t understand it!”
I explained the reason for Georgia’s anti-fraud requirements with a joke I heard a long time ago. It begins with a guy standing around constantly snapping his fingers.
“Why are you doing that?” someone asked.
“I’m keeping the elephants away.”
“What? There’s never been an elephant within a thousand miles of here!”
“See, it’s working.”
The reality, of course, is much more mean-spirited and pernicious. Peggy got the joke right away. But she’s still not happy. It’s not funny. At all.
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No, Peggy’s not happy. In a later message, she herself spoke of her frustration with what she calls “Beautiful Georgia, my adopted state as I finish life’s journey.” Voting absentee, she says, “seemed sensible.” But on the other hand, she wanted to once again feel the excitement of voting in person, on Election Day.
“This year 2012 held new significance … my last year ever to vote in a presidential election. I wanted to feel part of this great privilege, wanted to again walk out of my precinct tapping my Georgia Peach voter sticker. Even if the day were dark, gloomy and cold, the sun would be shining.”
But “government intrusion stripped me of my established legal right to vote in 2012 unless I complied with new restriction laws…. I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”
– Jay Bookman
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JohnnyReb
November 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:28 pm
reb,
The Monday polls will be accurate.
As of now, our President wins.
Will you be a better sore loser this time and respect our President?
______________________
It’s academic, but if Barry wins – NO. If anything, I have over the last few months grown to respect him even less (if that is possible).
With us taking the Senate, Obama would have little chance of putting anything in place that he does not dictate.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm
“Not many votes separated the winner and loser of that election. ”
yep, on that you are right. it was a 5-4 decision…so, yep, only 1 vote decided that election.
TM
November 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm
Texas Tea- I sure you or your parents will give up there medicare coverage or socials ecurity that those big ugly libs like Jay and his kind enacted.
Tom
November 3rd, 2012
5:39 pm
Another great piece of work by someone supporting the agenda of the ignorant, the illegal and the lazy.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:39 pm
reb,
The Dems keep the Senate you get the house.
Romney: ‘I Ask the American People to Vote for Love of Country’…drudgey.
I am voting Dem for no more collapses or losing wars,
Four more years!
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
Scout,
you were doing nothing more than giving us your opinion regarding rights. There’s no need for you to be sorry about it.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
tom,
Hate Americans much?
Texas Tea
November 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
TM,
Well my future is not in the hands of te government. My family and I have done a little something called “saving”. We worked hard and saved our money instead of blowing it on crap we didn’t need. I don’t need the government to hold my hand or take care of me, which is more than I can say for you Liberals that are dead broke and want the responsible individuals to cover your way through life. Talk your garbage all you want, but getting an education an being fiscally responsible during life is nothing to be sorry about an there is not one thing you can say negatively about it.
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
5:44 pm
I got in my early vote for Obama along with my vote against that amendment one and for every other Democrat on the ticket. That felt good. No more Republicans. Vote against them unless it’s for some job where they can do little harm such as surveyor and coroner.
Jm
November 3rd, 2012
5:44 pm
“ut “government intrusion stripped me of my established legal right to vote in 2012 unless I complied with new restriction laws…. I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”
Oh good grief, cry me a river.
A. She finally legitimately registered to vote in GA, congrats
B. Welcome to the trials and tribulations of government compliance. Now you know how every small business owner feels.
Jm
November 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
Democrats are only anti regulation when they don’t like the results
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
5:47 pm
jm
What’s Republicans excuse? They are responsible for creating this over regulation.
TM
November 3rd, 2012
5:47 pm
Tea- I am thankful that you and your family will not be receiving any social security or medicare benefits when you turn 65, It will make the program last longer. Give me a break- you will probably be paying someone to stand in line for you when it comes time to sign up,
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
What’s Republicans excuse?
IOKIYAR
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
It is just plain ignorant to allow our congress to get their hands on SS and Medicare.
Their job is to make them better not end them.
If they can’t do their job, fire them.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
“yep, on that you are right.”
Doggone,
I’m thrilled!v Do I get back in your good graces now? It means the world to me.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
“Hate Americans much?”
A Getalife classic.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
Nate Silver Is The Lovechild of Harry Potter & Hari Seldon
Heh, heh, heh.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
5:52 pm
Ole Miss had to give up Colonel Reb…they’re now the Rebel Black Bears…and who sez there were no melanin enhanced Rebels? The irony has not been missed on the denizens of the Magnolia State. The first vote to come in on the matter from the students was for Admiral Ackbar, but them stodgy Hollywood types wouldn’t permit the University of Mississippi to honor the Muslim Rebels–and, yes, there was such a thing….
But, hey, don’t get me started…we may wind up with a new thread!
josef
November 3rd, 2012
5:54 pm
SCOUT
Yeah, but the Florida Seminoles (the nation as much as the University) put a quietus to that effort there…
Jm
November 3rd, 2012
5:55 pm
Bro
Yes, republicans are only against regulation unless it works (potentially) to their advantage
I just have no problem with verifying someone’s identity
Voting is one of the most sacred things we do and there are people who abuse the process
The process isn’t that big a deal unless you don’t have your act together
indigo
November 3rd, 2012
5:56 pm
Obama and Romney have two very different messages and visions for America.
The race is a virtual dead heat.
This means our Nation is deeply divided.
A pundit recently likened this situation to a cold civil war.
If this deep and even division continues, nothing good will follow.
Jm
November 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm
“It is just plain ignorant to allow our congress to get their hands on SS and Medicare.”
Someone is confused about how these programs originated
Congress has their paw prints all over them
The problem is they HAVEN’T done anything to fix them in 25 years
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm
Anxiously waiting for Politico’s Wednesday morning big story: “GOP Hopefuls Line Up For 2016 Presidential Nod”.
Heh, heh, heh.
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
5:59 pm
Jay, do they actually allow you to work for a newspaper? Your STUPID comment “a drivers license doesn’t prevent an illegal from voting because it doesn’t note status” , TYPICAL LIBERAL, just spewing brainwashed dribble as fact… FACT your comment doesn’t apply here in Georgia or 95% of the US. GA doesn’t issue Drivers License to Illeagals , and only 4 States do, CA, WA, NM and UT, and 3 of the 4 have a designation on them noting the status. So few people do not have a picture ID now days that it’s statistically irrevelant, you need a picture ID for everything from cashing checks , to opening accounts, to boarding aircraft, to drive, to get EMPLOYED, for Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Welfare ! I bet these people would get a picture ID to claim Lottery winnings over $5000, because you HAVE to have one…IDIOT
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm
The first vote to come in on the matter from the students was for Admiral Ackbar…
IT’S A TRAP!
Recon 0311 2533
November 3rd, 2012
6:01 pm
Some on here should really consider moving to a blue state. They’re misery here is self inflicted and well, stupid.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:03 pm
Some on here should really consider moving to a blue state.
I was born on Peachtree Street.
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
6:05 pm
I’m a native of Georgia and I voted Democrat.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
6:06 pm
I just have no problem with verifying someone’s identity
I’ll ask you the same question I asked earlier that not one ID supporter has answered. If verifying the identity is so important, why are states not working towards ensuring the security and accuracy of the entire process as opposed to focusing on a photo ID? If someone registers a false name and uses a photo ID under that name, how will the fraud be caught using existing laws?
Like you, I have no problem with verifying identity. However, I don’t see how verifying anybody’s identity works worth a crap when you can’t verify the accuracy and security of the list you’re trying to verify.
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Derek
Most states will issue a driver’s license to non-citizens who are here on work visas or student visas. How do you tell them from citizens when there is no indicator on the driver’s license to show citizenship?
As to your list of what you need ID’s for, when those things become rights protected by the Constitution, you’ll have a valid comparison. Until then, you’re pissing in the wind and hoping to stay dry.
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
6:07 pm
Republicans should bear the mark just to make sure there is no voter ID fraud.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:09 pm
TaxPayer:
“you were doing nothing more than giving us your opinion regarding rights. There’s no need for you to be sorry about it.”
Nooooooooooo …………… I was correcting YOUR incorrect statement that those who “have enlisted” don’t have extra rights. That’s not opinion ………. they do ………… namely the right to veterans preference in federal hiring.
Please try to stay current on the law.
U.S. Department of Labor:
“Veterans who are disabled, who served on active duty in the Armed Forces during certain specified time periods or in military campaigns are entitled to preference over others in hiring for virtually all federal government jobs.”
http://www.dol.gov/vets/programs/vetspref/main.htm
TM
November 3rd, 2012
6:10 pm
“I was born on Peachtree Street ” Ouch, some of us made it to Piedmont
Recon 0311 2533
November 3rd, 2012
6:11 pm
“I was born on Peachtree Street.”
Hope you’re happy even though the politics throughout this state doesn’t doesn’t seem to blend with your own, unless I’m missing something.
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
6:12 pm
No scout, veterans are not given extra rights. They are given an extra privilege in some cases.
Jm
November 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm
Bro
Gotta go eat dinner
Later
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:14 pm
“Despite a carefully narrated version of events rolled out late this week by the CIA claiming agents jumped into action as soon as they were notified of calls for help in Benghazi, security officials on the ground say calls for help went out considerably earlier — and signs of an attack were mounting even before that.
The accounts, from foreign and American security officials in and around Benghazi at the time of the attack, indicate there was in fact a significant lag between when the threat started to show itself and help started to arrive.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/03/exclusive-security-officials-on-ground-in-libya-challenge-cia-account/#ixzz2BCUEgNbZ
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:15 pm
Hope you’re happy even though the politics throughout this state doesn’t doesn’t seem to blend with your own, unless I’m missing something.
I am responsible for my own happiness no matter what “state” I am in.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account…
drudgey spam
Recon 0311 2533
November 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
“I am responsible for my own happiness no matter what “state” I am in.”
I’m glad you’re among those of us who take responsibility.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
TaxPayer:
“Federal Merit Systems Protection Board”
“Veteran’s Preference Rights”
“Veterans have sacrificed a lot for our country. They have put their lives at risk and taken time away from their jobs and families to serve in the United States military. Accordingly, federal law provides some veterans with veteran’s preference RIGHTS (their words not mine ….. emphasis added) in employment with the federal government when they are honorably or generally discharged from duty.”
http://www.mspb.org/Veterans-Preference-Rights.html
Recon 0311 2533
November 3rd, 2012
6:19 pm
Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account…
drudgey spam
Nope it isn’t you have to get better informed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:20 pm
“right” (noun)
18.
“a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:20 pm
Kammie spam alert !!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:22 pm
Nope it isn’t you have to get better informed.
15th story from the top, left hand column.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Veterans’ Rights – Legal Dictionary :
“According to data from the 2000 U.S. census, about 26.4 million civilians, or 12.7 percent of the civilian population, consisted of veterans of the armed forces. This number includes those who served on active duty for the duration of their military careers and those who served for only a short time on active duty, such as individuals who were called to serve in the Gulf War in 1991. Given that such a significant percentage of the population consists of veterans, the United States has extended a number of RIGHTS (their words not mine …. emphasis added) to and provides benefits for these servicemen.”
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Veterans‘+Rights
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:26 pm
2nd Kammie spam alert ………. this is no drill !
sheepdawg
November 3rd, 2012
6:28 pm
the days of the bible thumping racist bigoted ignorant gop hate mongers are numbered, this too shall pass with their demise
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:28 pm
Recon 0311 2533:
Just in case you haven’t kept up with “Kammie”, the New York Times can print something that he/she doesn’t like and if Drudge chooses for some reason to add it to his website then it becomes “drudgey spam”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:29 pm
UPDATE: Tampa Bay Monkey that attacked elderly woman tests positive for Herpes B…
drudgey spam
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
6:30 pm
“Historical Reasons for Attack on Pearl Harbor Revised”
Cambridge, Mass.
“Celebrated historian Bertram Oxley has uncovered a memorandum from former Japanese Emperor Hirohito to Admiral Yamamoto dated December 6, 1941, showing that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was motivated by an offensive film made by Charlie Chaplin ridiculing Japanese cuisine.
“Contrary to historical accounts over the last seventy years,” Professor Oxley said in an interview today with the BBC, “What appeared to be a meticulously planned surprise attack was actually a spontaneous demonstration by moderate sushi connoisseurs in the Imperial Navy in response to a hateful and offensive movie. Thereafter, extremist elements within the Japanese military co-opted the spontaneous attack, transforming it into the overseas contingency operation sometimes referred to as ‘World War II.’”
The discovery has created a sensation in scholarly circles. “This is a remarkable find,” declared Reginald Smythe, chairman of the Progressive Historians Assocation and former Obama State Department official. “Had President Roosevelt condemned this movie — instead of uttering that infernal ‘Day of Infamy’ provocation — the war could have been avoided and millions of lives would have been saved.”
Reached at his home in Houston, former President George H. W. Bush, an aviator in the Pacific during the war, expressed skepticism. “It’s simply inconceivable that the Japanese First Air Fleet, with six aircraft carriers, could have staged a spur of the moment attack on an island thousands of nautical miles from the Japanese homeland with such stealth and precision.” Most experts dismissed Mr. Bush’s remarks, however, since it’s widely understood that World War II was primarily his son’s fault.
White House spokesman Jay Carney, asked this afternoon about the memo’s discovery stated, “Of course, hindsight’s 20-20. But one can only wonder how much pain and suffering could have been averted had FDR simply apologized to Hirohito at the outset.”
“Fortunately,” Carney continued, waving off questions from White House reporters anxious to return to questions about Mitt Romney’s grooming habits, “We’ve evolved to a more sophisticated strategy of leading from behind, so we’re unlikely to repeat the disastrous mistakes of the past.”
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
Taxpayer,
“veterans are not given extra rights. They are given an extra privilege in some cases.”
You are right. Vets do not have any rights than any other U.S. Citizen. 0311 is right in that they do have certain percs.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Recon @ 628,
Kind of like MSN which I assume is kamchuk’s Bible.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:45 pm
… I assume is kamchuk’s Bible.
There’s your sign.
Mark
November 3rd, 2012
6:48 pm
“That’s the best he could do?”
That’s all he need to do ahole.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
Well, it’s now November and all we got for an October surprise was Benghazi and Sandy. Benghazi wore thin pretty quickly with the spotlight on the natural instead of man made storm. It looks like the divisiveness of the former has taken a second second seat to the unity of the latter and Obama and Christie come out of that one smelling like a rose. I would imagine that in many, if not most, voters minds it will be the response to Sandy at home and not Benghazi abroad that will be forefront when thinking “leader.”
The GOP might want to look ahead to 2016 and think Christie…
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
Hey kamchuk,
Say these old Indian words very slowly at first, progressively getting faster. Make sure you recite them in public (that’s the only way the majic will work for you.
OWHA TAFOO LIAM
Remember to say them in public! Very important!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Orange12
Pull my finger.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Three minutes to figure that one out. HMMMMM
josef
November 3rd, 2012
6:58 pm
ORANGE
And an Indian chant for you…
A-yv wa-do Gi-si na-s-gi-na-i u-nv-tsi-da!
Texas Tea
November 3rd, 2012
7:00 pm
TM,
Nice rebuttal. Is that all you’ve got? May want to go back to the drawing board. It’s just pathetic you attempt to make a negative out of a positive that better suits this country. You’re the main reason this country is at such odds with itself because you thrive on being negative instead of being a solution. Have fun living off the minimum the rest of your life and one day when your funding gets pulled through lack of overall funding, look back at this conversation and realize you we’re wrong bubba.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
“Republicans should bear the mark just to make sure there is no voter ID fraud.”
The Romney/Ryan bumper stickers and yard signs oughta be enough…
ben
November 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
I guess buying beer is more sacred and important to democrats than voting since they favor higher safeguards for beer.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Two weeks in a row — take the Dawgs and the under.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Josef,
Is that the Hakowi Tribe lingo? Hmmm, is it?
Seriously though. Google Castillo De San Marcos. Another atrocity of many endured by the American Indian.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
7:11 pm
Getalife,
UGA really wants to move up to #5. I think your team is going to help them out big tonight
HP67
November 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
@ Doggone/GA
“Haven’t read the Constitution lately, have you?
AMENDMENT XV
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–”
Sorry dude…that doesn’t give the right to vote. It just says how the vote cannot be denied due to race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Like the other provisions about voting, it doesn’t grant the right to vote, just how it cannot be denied.
It’s a common and understandable mistake that people make but the Constitution does not give the right to vote.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
Orange
I’ve been there…interesting place…
You caught me on the Hakowi one! I had forgotten that…I loved that TV show!
But as for the “chant,” It’s Tsa-la-gi (Cherokee,,,)
Scout, known by his Cherokee name, A-ga-te-no, and Del, or Wa-do, should be able to translate it for you, being as how they are by their own claim the arbiters of what is and what is not Tsa-la-gi!
kayaker 71
November 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
Have you tried to get your GA drivers license renewed lately? They require either a birth certificate or passport, social security card and two documents that prove that you live where you state that you live. Ever wonder why these drastic measures are necessary? The influx of illegals who try to get a drivers license who are not citizens. When I moved to GA five years ago, the amount of documentation for obtaining a drivers license, being qualified for a concealed carry permit and even registering your car were much more strict than in FL where I came from. If this lady had trouble voting, it probably was because she didn’t do what was required of voters. What the hell is wrong with someone having to be documented to perform the most important civic function that we have? No one is being “disinfranchized” here…… far from it. Just keeping everyone straight. If you want to vote, get your ducks in line. If not, stay home.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
7:28 pm
“he influx of illegals who try to get a drivers license who are not citizens.”
Kinda like those welfare queens Reagan cooked up….another convenient excuse. Prove the numbers who were applying for driver’s licenses. How would an illegal, even before the paperwork requirement have gotten a driver’s license? If they did, it was because they bought the documentation, which supposedly can be done. How would that be different now? I’m sure for a price, which would exclude most illegals because they couldn’t afford it, one could still get fake documents. Where are the numbers to prove this supposedly large number?
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Kayaker
Them illegal aliens is shore a damned pesky lot…ever since 1492 they ain’t been nothin but a plague and pestilence. Send ‘em all back where they came from…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Ever wonder why these drastic measures are necessary? The influx of illegals who try to get a drivers license who are not citizens.
Too funny!
Illeeeeeegalz have been getting driver’s licenses since St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun’s 1986 amnesty.
It’s only been since 2008 that it’s been a poutragey issue for silly cons.
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Jay says TM, Homeland Security regulations do require tougher documentation before issuance of drivers’ licenses, although it is my understanding that Georgia has been more aggressive about implementing that change than Homeland Security
Have you actually looked into this? Actually the issuance of license to illegals will cause those states to be not in compliance
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Veteran’s preference rights = a privilege. We all have equal rights, scout.
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Also Kamchuk, only 4 states issue to illegals, get your facts straight
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:31 pm
Instead of spewing liberal brainwashed statements
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
“Sorry dude…that doesn’t give the right to vote”
As Bro says: the Constitution doesn’t GIVE rights, it PROTECTS them…and that amendment is protecting the RIGHT TO VOTE
RF
November 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
@josef 7:29- good point!! LOL
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
November 3rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Something had to be done to keep the Democrats from voting early and often. Your case is the first one I have ever heard of, and at the end of the day, the lady is voting. Wait until she tries to get some health care under Obamacare – I hope you will print that story if and when the time comes, Jay, but I doubt you will.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:34 pm
K’CHAK
“…it’s been a poutragey issue for silly cons…”
That’s “poutragé” and theirs is a bit rickety!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
Also Kamchuk, only 4 states issue to illegals, get your facts straight
Illeeeeeeegalz have been getting licenses for over 26 years, sport.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
“Instead of spewing liberal brainwashed statements”
speaking of brainwashing, thanks for the reminder. The liquor cabinet IS getting a little low and the holiday season is upon us…that and another UGA win (just watching Murray in the first half of just about any game requires a stiff drink or two).
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:37 pm
Taxpayer- TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
6:05 pm
I’m a native of Georgia and I voted Democrat.
That’s a shame since all your have to do is win in GA and ALL electoral votes go to that candidate , State rules, so at almost a 10% lead even by AJC Poll , Romney will get ALL of GA votes for President
Typical Obama Voter
November 3rd, 2012
7:38 pm
Jay is right…we should let anyone who wanders into the polling place vote.
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:39 pm
What’s really a shame Jay , is that poor Peggy Cobb will have to have a photo ID to get seen under Obamacare
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:39 pm
RF
Well, as you might imagine, in this household any yapping about illegal aliens meets with a “do tell, u-ne-ga” response…
Same thing with the outrage over the West Bank…Unmentionable is a die-hard Zionist hoodlum (a bone of contention with me, BTW) and says his advice is “just sit there and overpopulate for a couple of hundred years, it’ll no longer be an issue…” Whenever somebody questions that, his comment is, “well, it’s worked in Georgia, so why not in Palestine?”
Jay
November 3rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Yes, Derek, I have looked into it. Homeland Security gave states the leeway to implement the regs more gradually, and some did so. Georgia chose not to use that leeway.
Thomas
November 3rd, 2012
7:42 pm
I am very concerned about the voter id law. I am even more concerned about Obamacare requiring proof of insurance or a fine by the US gov’t administered by the IRS.
If you don’t write about that in the same article you are a pathetic hypocrite.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:48 pm
I’m very concerned about the end of the world come December 21…what WILL Jay post for his topic…
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:49 pm
Also you need a photo ID for everything from applying for a job, getting any public assistance, Medicare , Welfare, Food Stamps, Unemployment, buying a house or car, setting up accounts, writing checks, Social Security, any legal issues , applying to school, flying, traveling out and into the country, even visiting the White House, and for you Kamchuk if I ever pull you over!
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
7:50 pm
“I’m very concerned about the end of the world come December 21…what WILL Jay post for his topic…”
Bush’s fault?
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:50 pm
Ah! Derek is with the Gestapo!
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
7:51 pm
UGA really wants to move up to #5. I think your team is going to help them out big tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soXMCkoWfQo
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
7:51 pm
I am very concerned about the draw that my Blue Lions had with Swansea combined with the win of those evil red devils of Man U over Arsenal.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:52 pm
ORANGE
No doubt! Him and Obama. Bush is the devil and Obama is the Anti-Christ, you know!
Derek
November 3rd, 2012
7:52 pm
Exactly, for a limited amount of time Jay, every state will have to comply or face restrictions on their residents… If you need I can forward you the entire regulation, by the way, do you know who’s endorsements are required so this act can be enforced?
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:53 pm
I am very concerned with the narrowing of the lapels…how gauche!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
7:54 pm
…and for you Kamchuk if I ever pull you over!
Whenever you feel froggy sport, jump.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
7:54 pm
josef @ 7:50
Soooo wrong!!!!
josef
November 3rd, 2012
7:56 pm
BROSEPHUS
Well, you WOULD say that!