Peggy’s story: The cruel cynicism of the voter ID crusade
Hans von Spakovsky, a former Fulton County Republican party official and now a star of the right’s nationwide effort to suppress voting through strict voter ID protocols, continues to pretend that in-person voting fraud constitutes a major threat to American democracy.
Yet when challenged to present evidence of such a threat, as he was in a recent article in The New Yorker, he continues to fail.
For example, in responding to the New Yorker article, von Spakovsky listed a series of recent alleged voting fraud cases that to his mind justified the expense, bureaucracy and obstacles to voting created by voter ID laws. They were:
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– the Democratic nominee for Maryland’s first congressional district removed from the ballot after it was discovered that she had registered and voted in both Maryland and Florida in the 2006 and 2008 elections;
– an Arkansas legislator resigning after pleading guilty (with three other defendants) to committing voter fraud;
– a Canadian couple and a Mexican citizen arrested for illegally registering and voting in Iowa;
– a New Jersey resident convicted on multiple counts of voter fraud;
– three Indiana residents (including a former Democratic mayoral candidate) indicted for voter fraud;
– three Ohioans indicted for double voting;
– a Mexican drug dealer’s guilty plea for voting illegally in the 2008 presidential election;
– Florida’s discovery of nearly 200 non-citizens illegally registered to vote, and
– a city-council race in Vernon, Calif., overturned owing to voter fraud.
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That’s the best he could do?
Once again, none of the examples could have been prevented through voter ID. Requiring a drivers license to vote, for example, does nothing to prevent non-citizens from voting because citizenship is not noted on the license.
Also note that none of the examples cited by von Spakovsky involved an organized effort to alter an election through fraudulent in-person voting. Several involved absentee balloting, the easiest and most popular way to abuse the electoral process. However, it is noteworthy that the Republican Party has in general tried to expand absentee voting without tightening oversight because that’s the means that many of its own voters tend to prefer.
Peggy Cobb
Which brings us to the story of 97-year-old Peggy Cobb of Sandy Springs, as related in an email from her son Bill:
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“I now have a crystal clear, visceral understanding of why some politicians think voter ID laws are so important. The suppressive power of this law to deter people from voting is far greater than I realized. Meet my mother.
She is 97, in good health and with virtually all her marbles (bad hearing loss, though), living an active, independent life in Sandy Springs. She moved here four years ago or so. Had one knee replaced a couple years ago.
Peggy has voted in every presidential election since she was eligible, and most if not all others, too. She pays attention to this stuff more than a lot of people I know. She insists, often with me chafing, on hearing the other side.
She has a Fulton County voter registration card and has voted in every election when she’s been here. Her expired Indiana driver’s license used to be enough ID at the polling booth. No more.
But all she had to do was go to a driver’s services office, show the necessary documents, and get her Georgia Voter ID. Some waiting. No fees. Great deal.
So Peggy gathered up her voter registration card, some utility bills, bank statements, rent receipts and tax returns and went to Driver Services. They said “Great, you have everything you need. Except a birth certificate.”
She went back home and eventually figured out how to order a birth certificate from Minnesota, where she was born and married. Six weeks later, it arrived. Peggy returned to Drivers Services very enthusiastic, since the election was only a couple weeks off. They said “Great, you have everything you need, except the last name on your birth certificate isn’t the same as on all these other documents.”
Well of course not, she got married in 1943. What else could that middle initial “V” stand for except her maiden name, Vanstrom?
No Georgia voter ID card for Peggy without a marriage certificate.
I rarely ever see my mother near tears, but I did then. Some combination of rage and foreboding maybe. Luckily, the Minnesota county that has her marriage certificate is very user friendly. They even do same day turn-around and overnight delivery, if you pay for it. Time was short. $53. But UPS screwed up and misdelivered it, so Minnesota sent another one (no charge) to my house. My wife and I made sure one of us was home all day to sign for it.
Yesterday, back to Drivers Services. A friend drove her. They said, “Great, you have everything you need, except your Social Security number doesn’t match our system. Sorry, no exceptions.”
The friend, who had only bargained for lunch really, drove Peggy home to search for more papers with her Social Security number on it, then drove her to a Social Security office in Marietta. The agent could find nothing amiss, and gave her some papers.
Drivers Services finally relented and gave Peggy a Georgia voter ID yesterday, 5 days before the election. What would she have done without that determined friend?
You probably can’t truly appreciate the physical and emotion toll this ordeal has taken on Peggy. She definitely can’t believe it.
“Why is Georgia doing this to me! Do they want me not to be here? I thought government was supposed to make voting as simple as possible. I don’t understand it!”
I explained the reason for Georgia’s anti-fraud requirements with a joke I heard a long time ago. It begins with a guy standing around constantly snapping his fingers.
“Why are you doing that?” someone asked.
“I’m keeping the elephants away.”
“What? There’s never been an elephant within a thousand miles of here!”
“See, it’s working.”
The reality, of course, is much more mean-spirited and pernicious. Peggy got the joke right away. But she’s still not happy. It’s not funny. At all.
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No, Peggy’s not happy. In a later message, she herself spoke of her frustration with what she calls “Beautiful Georgia, my adopted state as I finish life’s journey.” Voting absentee, she says, “seemed sensible.” But on the other hand, she wanted to once again feel the excitement of voting in person, on Election Day.
“This year 2012 held new significance … my last year ever to vote in a presidential election. I wanted to feel part of this great privilege, wanted to again walk out of my precinct tapping my Georgia Peach voter sticker. Even if the day were dark, gloomy and cold, the sun would be shining.”
But “government intrusion stripped me of my established legal right to vote in 2012 unless I complied with new restriction laws…. I will vote in person on Nov. 6 but my spirit is broken. Trust in the government of my adopted state is shattered, a cruel joke.”
– Jay Bookman
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josef
November 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm
IMAM
“In your case, that was issued a year or two ago, no worries.”
Signed by Helen Thomas, no doubt! Can I use it for voter ID on Tuesday?
Jay
November 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm
If you look like Helen Thomas, sure.
But if so, I wouldn’t admit it.
Ayn Rand was Right
November 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm
I understand that technically this is a voter issue, but isn’t it really a DMV issue? I recently moved to a new town and had similar problems getting my license. It was not near an election, so I am not sure the two, though definitely juxtaposed here, are connected.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm
Doggone,
Are you saying let anybody vote who walks in the door? You know, “come one come all.”
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm
“Are you saying let anybody vote who walks in the door? You know, “come one come all.””
those are your words, not mine. Come on, show your proof that voter fraud exists in big enough numbers to change the results of a national elections. We’re waiting.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm
IMAM
Be careful…journalism takes its toll!
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
I understand that technically this is a voter issue, but isn’t it really a DMV issue?
It’s actually a Georgia Assembly issue as they are the ones who decided which forms of ID would be acceptable under this new law. They were also responsible for ensuring adequate funding was available to aid people who needed to go to various government agencies and obtain all the necessary things needed. To this date, I still don’t know if they have exemptions for people who were born and their births not recorded, such as being born at home by a midwife in the country.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm
“Come on, show your proof that voter fraud exists in big enough numbers to change the results of a national elections. We’re waiting.”
Considering it takes over a million votes nationwide to change a presidential election total by even one point, they know there’s no such thing and that even if they ferretted out and prosecuted every provable case, they’d still have a statistically unimportant number. Like every other “scandal”, it’s the foggy spectre of some sort of nefarious plot that’s needed, not the actual facts. All you have to do is get the rumor going and it gets worse as it travels.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
3:48 pm
Are you saying let anybody vote who walks in the door? You know, “come one come all.”
If the Secretary of State does his job and maintains the accuracy of the registration process and the actual voter rolls, wouldn’t that do more to combat proven voter fraud than any photo ID ever would?
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
It is very obvious we need election reform in this country.
Too long and too much money wasted.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
3:50 pm
“they know there’s no such thing ”
Of course they don’t!
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
“Too long and too much money wasted”
Are you talking about elections, or campaigning? Because there’s nothing to do about how long elections last, or how much they cost…we have to have them.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm
BROSEPHUS
“I still don’t know if they have exemptions for people who were born and their births not recorded, such as being born at home by a midwife in the country.”
That would be interesting. Mississippi was for a number of years the only state that licensed midwives and one of the requirements from them was that they facilitate the registration of the birth. Unlicensed midwives were not under this regulation. I wonder if Mississippi has done anything to regulate the paperwork trail for those?
And lest there be those who would think this not at issue, this is a factor. Millions of rural Americans of all races and classes were delivered by midwives well into the 20th Century.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
“Are you talking about elections, or campaigning?”
Campaigning.
citizen united needs to be overturned
We can do better than this cycle.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
Are you saying let anybody vote who walks in the door? You know, “come one come all.”
If they are registered then yes.
Don’t you want as much participation as possible?
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
“citizen united needs to be overturned”
Yeah, well…no argument there…but there’s no chance of it happening as long as either house of Congress remains under R control. That’s no guarantee that the D’s would fix it (it can’t be “repealed”) but it’s CERTAIN the R’s won’t.
Ayn Rand was Right
November 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
RF…it still only takes one vote to tip the scales…
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:00 pm
josef
I remember that point being brought up during the whole Real ID debate. There are people who don’t have birth certificates. The family Bible that I told you about earlier was used to give Alabama Vital Statistics information that they did not have on family members.
Mama Says
November 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
Jay,
You stated he had no examples, he gave 5 or 6. You just don’t accept them.
One you should accept is here in your backyard.
I sure you will correct me but didn’t the republican sec of state just order Fulton county not to purge the voters list, even though folks are voting who live at houses which are actually vacant lots ?
That means that in this one county, which just happens to be democratic in majority, you have a bigger problem with the possibility of legitimate voters being purged than you do with dead voters or those who no longer live in the district voting.
By virtue of the fact that you would rather have ghost voting than make sure the real people do your Democratic Party is openly and actively supporting voter fraud.
You don’t care if 10 real voter saber denied the vote as long as 10 ghost get theirs, and you don’t think that’s fraud.
What the hell do you liberals eat that makes you think this way ?
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm
Doggone/GA,
Two more from the left in the SC will do it.
I think the Northeast coast would use those billions wasted in this election.
Civil unrest is brewing there. The New York Times is a tough read at this time.
drudgey is scaring the cons to death and they will be scared to vote with all the negative crap he is linking coming from that area.
The October surprise was definitely the super storm named Sandy.
Skip
November 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
I had to get a Washington State issued birth certificate, did it all on line. I’m sure they didn’t have a clue who I really was. And the fun part, Ga. DMV gave me the web site.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
Ayn: Perhaps, but how many elections have you seen, especially for president, where one vote really made the difference? It’s about getting groups excited and committed and creating a movement that draws those of like mind together to create numbers big enough to change elections, hence our political parties.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
BROSEPHUS
If I am not mistaken, several states do still recognize the data recorded in the Bible, accompanied by a sworn affidavit from a non petitioner that the information is true and accurate. I’m not real sure on that. That and baptismal records.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:10 pm
Doggone,
” show your proof that voter fraud exists in big enough numbers to change the results of a national elections. We’re waiting”
I can’t. I’m not privy to that info but you must since you are saying voter fraud can’t or won’t affect an election. So why don’t you tell me why you think that way? I don’t think the Gov. keeps records or accurate records of illegal voter participation. Although, I think this administration does count on them..
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
4:10 pm
“Two more from the left in the SC will do it”
Not neccessarily. There’s no obligaion by the SC to revisit an already made decision, no matter who sits on the court. They, basically, threw it back to Congress and, so far, Congress has ignored that.
deegee
November 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm
The only case of voter fraud of which I am aware is that of my sister-in-law’s card carrying republican parents. They owned a home in Louisiana but were living in Texas with their daughter. My sister-in-law drove them from Houston to Baton Rouge so that they could vote because they thought that their republican vote would make a difference in Louisiana but not in Texas. My sister-in-law is a Fox News loving republican that saw no inconsistency with what she did and her stance on voter fraud.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm
Mama: prove it and present the information to the DA. If there’s evidence, then get it together. As I said, it takes 50,000+ votes to change the presidential election even one percent in Georgia alone. Even if you found a hundred in Fulton voting from a wrong address, how many would turn out to be actually ineligible to vote? Would that number be enough to change an election? You know it wouldn’t be, and you also know that voter “fraud” happens on both sides. Perhaps one reason noone really wants to do the legwork to find and prosecute those is because it wouldn’t look good for either party.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm
“I can’t.”
Of course you can’t. Voter ID is a solution searching for a problem. It’s all smoke and mirrors…it’s real goal is, and always has been, SUPPRESSION of voters…not the “protection” of the voting process. The lack of such calls for ID on mailed in ballots is all the proof needed of that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
RF…it still only takes one vote to tip the scales…
Total number of votes in the 2008 election 129,391,711
indigo
November 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
In the end, it’s who counts the vote that matters. Who’s watching the vote counters? And, who’s watching those who are watching the vote counters?
Since politicians have amply demonstrated they’ll do anything to get elected, a large amount of paranoia is needed here.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
Orange 12
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
“Congress has ignored that.”
Yes, they will until scandals break out then they can change it like insider trading to give themselves amnesty.
Pretty much a lost cause.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm
Hi Jay! You made the TPM editor’s blog with this article. Good job!
RF
November 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm
Orange: here’s why we think that way. I posted the numbers earlier, but here they are again. There are roughly 150 million registered voters in the US, 5 million or so in Georgia. At the national level, you’d need at least 1.5 million votes to move the percentage one point either way…ONE point. In Georgia, you’d need fifty thousand to move the percentage one point. How is that kind of fraud possible?
Moon Mullins
November 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
Rick Scott, governator of Florida, also decided that there was rampant drug abuse among welfare recipients, so the Tea Party controlled Florida legislature passed his bill requiring these poor folks pay for a drug test and if it came back clean they’d be reimbursed.
This was a red hering. Just a means of hassling those with the least amount of money to pay for a test to prove they didn’t do anything illegal. I’m not a constitutional scholar, but what happened to the assumption of innocence — but this is welfare and everyone knows these folk are scum.
Corporate welfare recipients skate while poor folks are hasseled.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:19 pm
Moon,
cons call peeing in a cup and handing it to government freedom.
Don’t tread on me and all that bs.
JohnnyReb
November 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
At the rate we are going, it will not be long before one will need a photo ID to use a public bathroom. Yet, Moonbats find it absolutely unacceptable when voting. The same people who can’t find an ID to vote would produce one in short-order should it be required to cash a check.
This continuing whinning about voter ID suppressing voting rights gets very old. How about you Moonbats coming up with another cause?
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
getalife
Less than 4 hours to kickoff…..
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:22 pm
reb,
The causes at this moment are to vote out the gop kooks and help the people on the Northeast coast.
How is that for causes?
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:22 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/virginia-voter-fraud-case-expands-to-focus-on-gop-firm/2012/11/02/76285252-24eb-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop
The investigation into the arrest of a man on charges of dumping voter registration forms last month in Harrisonburg, Va., has widened, with state officials probing whether a company tied to top Republican leaders had engaged in voter registration fraud in the key battleground state, according to two persons close to the case.
If voter registration fraud is found in this case, there’s not a single thing voter ID laws would do to change it or keep it from happening again.
JohnnyReb
November 3rd, 2012
4:23 pm
BTW, I was just wondering if you Lefties have a supply of crying towels?
There is close to a 20 point change in Independent voters vs 2008 in Romney’s favor.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
This continuing whinning about voter ID suppressing voting rights gets very old. How about you Moonbats coming up with another cause?
Who would have ever thought we would see the day when Liberals are fighting to protect Constitutional rights that Conservatives are basically giving the finger to???
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
Bro,
It will be a sight to behold.
Tiger stadium going crazy.
Geaux Tigers!
JohnnyReb
November 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
getalife, I can agree with one of those. As to the other, my crystal ball shows disappointment in your future.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:26 pm
QUESTION
How many of us thinks that goober on the photo id looks like us, anyway?
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:26 pm
Doggone,
“SUPPRESSION of voters”
Okay. How does it suppress voters?
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:26 pm
The dawgs are chocking like the gators barely beating Missouri.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:28 pm
reb,
The Monday polls will be accurate.
As of now, our President wins.
Will you be a better sore loser this time and respect our President?
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
Bro,
Have they started the draconian cost saving measures with your agency yet?
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
The Romany Lady still ain’t laying odds…
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:33 pm
UGA better getalife pretty soon.
HP67
November 3rd, 2012
4:33 pm
@ jewcowboy
“What botard compares buying a beer with one of the most fundamental and sacred rights enshrined by our founding fathers into the Constitution?”
Actually, the Constitution doesn’t give the right to vote. It only prohibits certain cases to deny voting. So for example, the 19th amendment doesn’t give women the right to vote but rather states you cannot deny the vote based on sex. A subtle but important difference.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
4:34 pm
“Okay. How does it suppress voters?”
It’s easy to see you aren’t paying attention to what’s going on around you. But just so you can’t claim you didn’t ever get an answer: it suppresses votes by discouraging people (like the one in Jay’s piece) from getting the ID they need to vote. If Peggy hadn’t had the assitance she had, if she had given up, if her documentation had come in too late…her vote would have been SUPPRESSED
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
4:37 pm
“Actually, the Constitution doesn’t give the right to vote”
Haven’t read the Constitution lately, have you?
AMENDMENT XV
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:38 pm
Kinda makes you wonder who Peggy’s going to vote for. She is a white immigrant from Up Nawth who lives in Sandy Springs with the surname COBB! Profile THAT!
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:39 pm
“According to a Gallup poll released on Wednesday, Americans expect Obama to be re-elected by 54 percent to 34 percent. Among those believing that Obama will win were most independents and almost a fifth of Republicans: NYTimes.
Even republicans love him.
Just ask Christie and Powell.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:41 pm
Orange,
The dawgs scored on blown coverage so that will probably wake them up.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
4:43 pm
Even republicans love him.
Not Lindsay Lohan.
Willard has captured the all important house arrest ankle bracelet demographic.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:47 pm
Have they started the draconian cost saving measures with your agency yet?
How do you start something that’s basically been your method of operation all along?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
4:47 pm
“Some cons that have enlisted in the past think they have more rights than others. Not in this land.”
Nope ……….. just the right to a different opinion and to express it in the ballot box.
P.S. Correction:
We do have the “right” to veterans preference on federal jobs. Sorry ………..
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:48 pm
Doggone,
Blah, blah, blah. If she had done it correctly the first time she would not have had a problem. If you feel sorry for her – too bad. The laws are public knowledge easily accessable.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:48 pm
K’chak
“Willard has captured the all important house arrest ankle bracelet demographic”
Not to be sneezed at in GOP circles…
Is a mug shot a valid photo id?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 3rd, 2012
4:49 pm
josef
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:50 pm
Bro,
“How do you start something that’s basically been your method of operation all along?”
I see they haven’t started initiation at your agency yet.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
4:50 pm
Actually, the Constitution doesn’t give the right to vote. It only prohibits certain cases to deny voting. So for example, the 19th amendment doesn’t give women the right to vote but rather states you cannot deny the vote based on sex. A subtle but important difference.
The Constitution doesn’t give any rights at all. It protects the rights granted to us by *Insert name of Deity here*.
Text of the 19th Amendment:
“Section 1. The right of the citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.”
As per all other amendments and such, the protection of said right, voting in this case, is articulated in the Constitution.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:51 pm
Kinda interesting to see that the faction most in support of the voter id and the bureaucratic journey into Kafka are the very ones who claim that government regulation is what’s stifling the economic life of the country…who says you can’t have it both ways.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:52 pm
Getalife,
Maybe they gotalife. like I said.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:54 pm
Getalife, they just lostalife.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:55 pm
Orange,
And they fumbled, then Miss. fumbles.
Good game.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:56 pm
Another fumble.
Miss. gets it back.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
4:58 pm
Interception.
Wow.
Bad pass.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
4:59 pm
getalife, Orange
With all them fumbles…you talkin’ foo-ball or politics…
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
4:59 pm
And an int, UGA gets it back. You take it. No, you take it.No, you take it
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:00 pm
Josef,
Sorry. A little of both.
josef
November 3rd, 2012
5:01 pm
Orange
Kinda hard to tell the difference, eh?
TM
November 3rd, 2012
5:02 pm
Meanwhile on the other channel Pitt is giving ND a ball game
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:02 pm
josef,
Rebel football from your home State.
You want them to beat the dawgs don’t you?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
5:02 pm
Come on guys …………. we can see it on t.v. !!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
5:04 pm
josef:
With all of the NCAA teams that have had to change their “Indian” names/mascots, I just can’t believe they allow this “Rebel” and “gray” uniforms thing. How disgusting to promote the Southern Confederarcy in any way. Just horrible !!!
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
5:04 pm
Orange 12
I haven’t heard of initiation. I can tell you that we’ve been running on stretched personnel numbers for many years now.
For example, we have approximately 7500mi – 8000mi in borders between Canada and Mexico that’s being covered by 20,000 BP Agents. You’re talking about coverage that would net 2-3 officers per mile, or 1 per mile per 8hr shift for 24 hour coverage. You also have about 20k – 25k CBP officers manning ports of entry (air, land, and sea) that deal with passenger and cargo traffic 24 hours a day.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:05 pm
We are live blogging football scout.
TM
November 3rd, 2012
5:05 pm
“Come on guys …………. we can see it on t.v. !!”
But can Peggy see it without her photo ID???
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:06 pm
Josef,
Yes, they both have good guys and bad guys. But I’ve never heard football players lie.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:09 pm
Bro,
How about your office spaces?
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm
I just can’t believe they allow this “Rebel” and “gray” uniforms thing. How disgusting to promote the Southern Confederarcy in any way. Just horrible !!!
That’s ok. The NCAA makes them play Alabama every year. That puts those “Rebels” right back in their place.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:11 pm
They are booing the dawgs.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
5:11 pm
Orange 12
Losing support staff since I’ve been there with replacements taking care of about half the losses from what I can see. The new terminal led to us getting more officers though.
TaxPayer
November 3rd, 2012
5:12 pm
Con veterans have certainly earned the right to first call on border patrol. Go for it, scout. Keep us safe from the invading hordes of Hispanic Muslims.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
5:14 pm
“Blah, blah, blah.”
Yeah, that’s pretty much all you’ve had to say on the subject…nice of you to admit it in public.
getalife
November 3rd, 2012
5:14 pm
Now they are cheering the dawgs.
Texas Tea
November 3rd, 2012
5:15 pm
Bookman, I don’t think you are in any company to talk about bringing facts to the table. Your entire life revolves around unproven facts as you are a Liberal. History proves big government is damaging, as is wealth distribution and higher tax rates. History is a fact any Republican can run on because it is proven smaller government, lower taxes, higher education, and a strong workforce that can drive a civilization, not welfare, highe taxes, high unemployment rates, lower test scores and education rates. So once again, you are in no shape or form able to run on facts because the world you and you Libbies want have no facts to support the eutopia y’all seem to have pictured.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:17 pm
Getalife,
No, they were booing Murray.
RF
November 3rd, 2012
5:18 pm
@reb: we moonbats weren’t the ones who yelled “FRAUD” in the first place. That is your wingnuts idea of a cause celebre this year.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
5:20 pm
A) Counterfeit currency in our nation is really not a “serious” problem because:
1) It’s one of only two crimes specifically mentioned/provided for in the Constitution.
(Article 1, Section 8: “To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States”)
2) It is considered to be “ECONOMIC TREASON”
3) It’s a federal, state and even local crime.
4) Knowingly passing even a small amount of counterfeit currency will get you promptly arrested.
5) Therefore the public’s faith in our currency is ensured.
B) Knowingly voting illegally in our nation may not be a “serious” problem but it is “POLITICAL
TREASON” and should get you promptly arrested thereby ensuring the public’s faith in our electoral system.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 3rd, 2012
5:22 pm
TaxPayer:
“Con veterans have certainly earned the right to first call on border patrol. Go for it, scout. Keep us safe from the invading hordes of Hispanic Muslims.”
Sorry ………. I was just correcting your incorrect statement about “rights”.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:22 pm
Doggone,
You don’t have to get short with me. I told you where I stand on the voter ID issue. It may or may not influence an election. But I think it probably can. I know this sounds pretty weak, but it is the law.
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:26 pm
Doggone,
Case in point. Bush/Gore election. Not many votes separated the winner and loser of that election. Do I think fraudulent voting could have swayed that one? Yes I do.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm
“You don’t have to get short with me”
You don’t deserve any better.
Brosephus™
November 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
Knowingly voting illegally in our nation may not be a “serious” problem but it is “POLITICAL
TREASON” and should get you promptly arrested thereby ensuring the public’s faith in our electoral system.
If that is indeed the case, why are the GOP Governors and State Legislatures not increasing funding to their Secretaries of State to ensure the security and accuracy of their voter registration rolls? Wouldn’t it be far easier to know who’s voting illegally if the list you were using to determine such were actually accurate and trustworthy?
Orange12
November 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
Okay Fine.