Last pre-election jobs numbers look solid, encouraging

Its good to see jobs coming back…. now I am sure we’ll hear about how the numbers are “cooked” or you failed to look at this..

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Everything is lining up for an Obama victory. So sad that the wealthy conservatives wasted so much money propping up Romney when he’s a fail.

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Good news for the people and for Obama.

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I guess there are some who won’t be satisfied and who honestly believe that gutting regulations and finding weird ways to justify cutting taxes even more would somehow produce a better outcome than this. They’ll vote for Romney, and then wonder how so many of their fellow countrymen could be so wrong.

I guess I don’t understand those people, not really.

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Uh Oh! Obama fulfilled the promise that the GOP has harped on for an unemployment rate below 8% during his first term and he did it in spite of the Republican’s best efforts to stop him. Obama: 157,000 jobs created per month; Republicans: 0 jobs created per month.

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Jay, nice try…bottom line, the number went up to 7.9%, that is unemployment increased. Last report the numbers fell from 8.1% to 7.8 and we heard all about the recovery now being in full swing…if Obama’s policies were truly working and we were in a full swing recover, we would see a signigicant and more importantly, constant REDUCTION of the unemployment rate. Not the fluctuation we are seeing now. Czar of Business? Give me a break…just another scapegoat so Obama can side step accountability.

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But…but…BENGHAZI!!!!!

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The operative phrase there is “essentially unchanged”. People are so beat down they think 8% unemployment is good. I was hoping for a true recovery indicator of around 250k. Planned layoffs are also up 40%. I know you have to spin for your devoted followers but this is more of the same.

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United We Stand… Divided We Fall

November 2nd, 2012
8:42 am
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(¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ OBAMA/2012 ¤ ¸.•*¨)

I want this guy to have MY back

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well he does LEAD FROM BEHIND

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if Obama’s policies were truly working and we were in a full swing recover, we would see a signigicant and more importantly, constant REDUCTION of the unemployment rate

You mean the ones the Republicans keep blocking and brag about blocking? Such silly nonsense the conned keep repeating over and over again. Meanwhile, despite every attempt by the GOP to tank this country and to stop recovery, it is slowly working. If only the GOP had worked for this country it may not have to face the backlash that is coming next week.

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Ahhhhh, the new normal of population growth outpacing job growth. That may be good enough for some.

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Looks like all the Republicans have is “but but Romney can do better”.

Weak sauce.

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Peter, I have no idea what you’re talking about and I doubt you do either. I’m simply looking at the hard numbers and they are flatlined. The jobs picture is stagnant at best regardless of how obama supporters try to dress it up. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind because most minds on this board are resistant to open discussion.

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“You mean the ones the Republicans keep blocking and brag about blocking?”

My point exactly…side stepping accountability. What else is new for the left? What the first two years when the Dems had control of the House, the Senate and the White House? Funny how that never gets mentioned.

Whatever. It’s Friday! Happy Weekend everyone!

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JAY

Forget it…I see the Sept numbers were revised upward…confused why one day it’s reduced downward by one source then upward by another..

Anyhow good news….think this will change any votes in his favor?

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we should have had full employment months after the recession ended in June 2009

because that’s what always happens when you have the worst recession in this country since the early 30s. Everything springs back to life like nothin’ happened. Oh if we’d only embraced austerity and gutted the federal government *and* allowed many states to collapse in a heap from revenue shortfalls.

that’d be swell.

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that NEO CONSERVATIVE fish wrapper paper the NYT is spewing garbage about JOBS again

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/business/a-part-time-life-as-hours-shrink-and-shift-for-american-workers.html?pagewanted=all

Those evil Republicans at the NYT are denegrading the Obama job market

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It went from 7.8 to 7.9. Unless liberal math is different that shows there is more unemployment a stiffled economy. But your geniuses will defend the Annoited One no matter what. And then there is BENGHAZIGATE where lives were lost for what–to protect Obama?

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Keep…and I think this makes your point even clearer:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/bill-clinton-economist-kenneth-rogoff-obama_n_2061734.html

…from the Clinton/Rogoff conversation:

“The $16 trillion in U.S. debt is about equal to the total U.S. economy, though Rogoff and Reinhart’s precise metric was debt held by the public. That figure is about $11.3 trillion and does not include the $4.8 trillion in intra-governmental debt, which refers to money owed by the treasury to government accounts, such as the Social Security trust fund.

Clinton said Rogoff is a moderate Republican. And then he related a conversation he had with Rogoff after reading his book.

“I called him on the phone and I said, ‘I read this very carefully. I just have a question. Do you believe that there’s any way America could have fully recovered from that crash in four years?’” Clinton said. “He said, ‘Lord no.’”

“He said, ‘No serious person believes that.’ He said, ‘The average country takes 10 years,’” Clinton said.”

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Fox Benghazi narrative implodes, Chris Christie bearhugs Obama, good job numbers…

What’s the GOP gonna piss and moan about now?

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Jobs lost October 2008… 489,000

Jobs gained October 2012… 171,000

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“If Obama has been such a failure for the economy, why are we slowly but surely pulling ourselves out of the mess that the GOP created?”

Its been four years Stevie, four years, can you count 1, 2, 3, and 4 years. This crap belongs to your Obama.

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Recon 0311 2533

November 2nd, 2012
9:04 am
I agree totally.

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” . . . not a moment too soon.” and “Still not . ..”

Already broke my resolution to use spell check.

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Posts are going up pretty fast this morning. People must be desperate.

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171k jobs

Only 11 more years before the 24 million unemployed are back at work

Assuming we don’t have another recession over the next 11 years

And assuming no one now graduating from college wants a job

Obama: the worst president since Hoover

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You may be sure Romney and his people will spin this in the worst way possible. Romney’s desire to be president seems to border on the hysterical. Did the chief “prophet” of the Mormon Church tell Romney that God wants him to be president? If so, and if he’s elected, look for more useless wars and more American blood shed.

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Excellent news!

The U.S. must keep on this steady, but sure, economic growth instead of going back to the same “trickle down” economic policies that helped contribute to the economic disaster of 2008. Romney’s words declare “change,” but his policies will be the same as Bush’s.

Obama was the real change the country needed in 2008, and the people must, now, muster up enough faith to stay the course with his policies that have have pulled this nation forward, away from the brink of economic disaster second only to the Stock Market Crash of 1929, which took the nation 13 years to overcome that resulting Depression.

Obama has had your backs for years, folks. Remember that on Nov. 6.

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for 25 yrs of my career, Q3 is historically the weakest quarter.

anecdotal, but (finally) finished with Q3 reporting,
and overall these Q3 statements are better than
anything since the Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat debacle.
I’ll Stamp that.

It must be a liberating feeling to be incapable of embarrassment.

(Faux ‘news,’ a.m. raydio, and con blog-dum)
Responsible people in responsible positions don’t have that luxury.

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Cookin the books again, making the job numbers look good. Ask your neighbor, has his outlook improved, ask the people along the east coast, still 3.8 million without power, little food, no gas, no heat, all after the Photo op where Christie and Barack promised the world. The situation is bad, cost 50 billion, and of course treasury empty except for $16,000,000,000,000 deficit.

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Jay, you are just a glass half full kind of guy when it comes to PrezBO, aren’t you? I guess that punch must still taste pretty good to you.

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Wow. The GOP creates the worst recession since the Great Depression, then whine because Obama can’t make an obstructionist Congress create jobs as quickly as they want. Obama can’t create a miracle recovery (which is impossible) and you guys put us in the hole. Un-freaking believable.

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Fox News leading cable tv news for 12 years running. That is long enough to put most you in grammar school. Indoctrination is effective isnt it.

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Williebkind, hopefully, next week we’ll see that most of the electorate agrees and we can get this country back on track again beginning in 013.

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But Obama said that he would be a one-term president if he didn’t get the unemployment rate below 8 7.9 percent! – Revised Republican Whine

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU27XO5vB2k

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17,000 new construction jobs in October. House prices have risen 5 months in a row. The housing market is now in a solid recovery. That doesn’t mean your house is suddenly worth as much as it was before the Bush real estate crash. It will take years to bring those values back.

Same with the jobs market. You don’t go from losing 750,000 jobs a month to full employment overnight.

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That’s a great Austin City Limits show, US.

If you can find it get SRV’s performance at Germany’s Palladia on tape or DVD. Great stuff.

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For those wanting to know about the numbers behind the numbers, this month’s unemployment went up 200,000 people while the labor force increased (somehow) by 600,000. In other words, more people started looking for work again than normal, and that’s a net positive, since that only happens when those people are optimistic that they indeed will find a job.

If the labor force goes up 600,000 and only 200,000 are unemployed… then those 400,000 people got jobs and don’t have Romney to thank for it

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Obama has had your backs for years, folks. Remember that on Nov. 6

What she meant to say is don’t turn your back on him, otherwise you may get a knife in it.

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Question – who is more responsible for job creation? President or Congress?

So far, neither.

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STEVE

Also remember that the increase to 7.9% is just 1% away from 8%….I think he promised something like 5.6%? Perhaps i’m mistaken..

Deflecting to mess he assumed is funny….I guess not if you really believe the WH or Congress can really influence unemployment materially…strange scorecard

You think this will result in any changing their vote from Romney to Obama?

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Question for Jay: Why has neither of these two parties of big capital every considered a jobs work program as in the Roosevelt era?

Has human suffering just become a matter of complete irrelevance before the invincible power of the “market”?

Why are we getting excited about unemployment rates hanging in the 7-8 % range a full four years after the financial collapse of 2008?

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BTW, going from 7.8 to 7.9 is not up to normal people!

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Nobody said that was up to normal.

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STEVE

Glad things are going well for you…what about the millions still out of work or otherwise losing homes etcetera…why aren’t they better off?

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NBC is a joke and full of lies!

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The Fallen

November 2nd, 2012
9:06 am

National Debt October 2008 $10 Trillion
National Debt October 2012 $16 Trillion
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Unemployment when Bush came and left. Your point?

2001-4.3%
2009-7.9%

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why aren’t they better off?

Why can’t it be their own fault? Why does it have to be the government’s fault?

Remember the Republican argument against health care reform was that it would “only” affect 15% of the population, so why bother since the other 85% had health insurance? Why is the Republican argument concerning unemployment/underemployment — also at 15% — a problem then?

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I’m still better off than I was four years ago. Too bad Republicans are not. Poor thangs.

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Welcome, don’t overlook the fact that Republicans in Congress stopped Obama’s Jobs Bill from passing. Their interest was in making Obama a one term president, not in helping create more jobs in any way possible for working Americans.

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Just saw a heaeline that said Sandy destroyed a lot of cars, but created a need for replacements. And replacements of a lot of other things.
Don’t see how people in New York and New Jersey are surviving. No heat, clean water and little food. Tough spot.

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Probably the most telling indicator of obama’s lack of understanding of economics is this joke about creating a secretary of business. Creating another federal bureaucracy will not create economic growth. He is so far in over his head folks.

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And out little ex-marine (preemptive strike against anti-patriotism) says the cons were on track??

Delusional.

They shiite the bed for eight straight years and then bitched for the next four when the skinny black guy couldn’t make THEIR stench go away fast enough.

Barry brought us back away from “This sucker could go down” precipice”!

Osama bin Laden is dead and the neocons hate it!

GM is alive and the neocons hate it!

America is rocking again (albeit to a slower rhythm) and the neocons hate it!

Later today, I’ll be listing the biggest GOP-pigs up for reelection in the US Congress and hoping every one of those jerkoffs get sent packing next week…

Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It’s off to work I go…

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Just saw a heaeline that said Sandy destroyed a lot of cars, but created a need for replacements. And replacements of a lot of other things.

True. In general, after a major disaster, GDP in the affected area goes WAAAAY up, because of increased economic activity… but first, they’re losing about $200M per day while things are not normal. That’s the number I heard last night, I think.

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You Libs are amazing. The UE rate goes up and you’re peddling it as good news and cheering from the rooftops. WTF? Pour yourselves another glass of Koolaid!

Btw, am I the only one who has a problem with this department publishing these jobs numbers that are routinely off by 25-50%? Why are we putting any faith in them knowing they’re totally unreliable?

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Are you serious?

My point, since you can’t seem to figure it our on your own, is that the national debt has increased 60% under the guise of “job creation” and the unemployment numbers is unchanged. In financial terms, ROI is 0%. What did we get for the money? I can tell you.

More food stamps and government dependency.

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Why are you looking to government (Obama) to solve your problems?

Steve, This is the first intelligent thing that you have posted, THANK YOU. Now you need to understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats, because this is exactly what Romney & the Republicans have been saying for Months.

Are you sure that you don’t have your parties mixed up?

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Stevie Ray, why are you, as a conservative, demanding that the government fix peoples’ problems?

That one’s easy. You see, Stevie Ray is not really a conservative. Just ask him. He’ll tell ya.

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red card?

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This idea of a secretary of Business is not new. It has been considered under several different administrations. In and of itself it won’t create jobs but it’s goal is to get rid of duplication in programs, which is a good thing, and allow businesses a single agency to go to for assistance instead of having to investigate which agency best serves its needs. I want Obama out but this is a good idea.

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Scooter

November 2nd, 2012
8:55 am

Scooter,
If population growth is out pacing job growth, maybe we should consider for free contraceptives…just a thought.

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Unemployment still higher than when Obama took office.

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‘You see, Stevie Ray is not really a conservative. Just ask him. He’ll tell ya.’

He is not a conservative, but he swallows and then parrots Fox News spunk reliably…go figure…

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The Fallen

November 2nd, 2012
8:49 am
Jay, nice try…bottom line, the number went up to 7.9%, that is unemployment increased. Last report the numbers fell from 8.1% to 7.8 and we heard all about the recovery now being in full swing…
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The average growth during non-recession months since 1992 is 157,000. So in reality the job growth for October is better than average for a non-recession month. Obama’s average for non recession months is 80,000. His average over the last twelve months is 162,000. Although in the last 6 months he has only beaten the average this month.

The numbers are such that the left and the right are able to draw whatever preconceived belief they have for the economy. The numbers are not oeverwhelmingly bad nor good enough to change anyone’s current beliefs. That is probably better news for Romney than Obama. What is interesting is 25% of the people have probably already voted.

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I see the brain-dead lib-turd parasite masses are hard at work again today. Sitting behind a computer stealing from their employers and posting their ignorance. Funny how all the geniuses on the left denigrate the right for math skills yet they can’t add up the total unemployed (the marginally attached and those that have given up) is at 14.6%. Oh and no one mentions unemployment among those whose populace votes over 93% democratic is at 14.3%.

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JamitVet, Please take your meds before going to work, or they may fire you. I have never seen anyone rant & rave more on this site than you.

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Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

November 2nd, 2012
9:24 am
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Could not have said it better myself. (Obviously, since I tried and didn’t.)

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“In what has to be interpreted as a sign of desperation, The Romney campaign is running an ad in Florida that says Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez support Obama. The idea is to convince Floridians–especially Cuban-Americans–that Obama is buddy buddy with socialist dictators. The real takeaway here is that Florida is still up for grabs and Romney is very nervous. Ohio is looking bad and losing Florida on top of losing Ohio would seal his doom. In football, this would be called a “Hail Mary pass.”

TOLD you Obama will win Floriduh, unless they cheat again.

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The JamVet casino in Las Vegas has posted odds (7 – 1) that the neocon virulence will now grow exponentially up until Tuesday night when many, if not most of these brave Republican souls will slink back into the shadows.

Later. good peeps and Republicans!

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Why do republicans hate middle class Americans? They voted against the bill that would give tax breaks to companies bringing jobs back to American.

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Why do good liberals like Jay Bookman so obsequiously accept the confines of the politics of the “possible” ?

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You mean why do they face reality. And no one has accepted our slow growth. The administration is working to make the figures better, and they are getting better.

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“All of the numbers trending in a positive direction , not off hte charts but positive, this is what is called and indicator and CONS listen up it is not done with the smoke and mirrors crap of BUSHIES real estae and wall street bubble . Its being driven by Solid U.S manufacturing…. SUCK IT CONS…”

Ignorance is bliss. A “trend” is not created in a year from a much larger data set. I doubt you can digest facts genius – but here they are……..

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/

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2016
Obama’s Part Time America

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/business/a-part-time-life-as-hours-shrink-and-shift-for-american-workers.html?pagewanted=all

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NIGHTMARE , you have been played like a SUCKER along with the rest of you repugs in hate..losers..

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St Simons: “The Romney campaign is running an ad in Florida that says Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez support Obama. The idea is to convince Floridians–especially Cuban-Americans–that Obama is buddy buddy with socialist dictators”

It’s absolutely hilarious, and so pathetic. Obama buddying up to Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez? Ha! Were that it were so. I’d love to see it someday! You’re about as likely to see Mitt Romney or Marco Rubio buddying up to them as Obama, of that you can be sure! What a joke.

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You have a party, in the Republicans, that positions itself on no news is good news. A one trick pony that has the same trick for every question, Eeyore the donkey, all is lost, cloudy skies and pain lots of pain in the forecast. A party that doesn’t create nor does it invite creativity into its circles. A candidate that shadows the policies of the man he is running against and repeats them like a parrot as being his. A party not hungry for the future, hoping for status quo, save our position as opposed to pushing the boundaries, not bringing in new blood with new ideas.

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TOLD you Obama will win Floriduh, unless they cheat again.

St Simons, Floridas chads were counted twice by independent parties and Bush still won the state, Geeesh! get over it, your worse than Gore.

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still looking for hope

November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
Retail jobs for xmas. After being unemployed long term I finally have a 2 month temp job at Macys. I guess that gets counted in the numbers. Until I can get interviews for real jobs, it won’t feel like a recovery to me. (and yes, I have a college degree and experience-there are still several hundred people applying for every job opening)

I don’t know what you have a college degree consist of but the “I have a college degree” is often misleading. Your marketability definitely depends on what your college degree is in.

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According to AP reports two days ago, Sept jobs reports were revised down to 88,000 with the accompanying good news boys and girls that the BLS has just introduced into their curriculum a new math that will be used to estimate Oct figures.So no surprises there. Also the Libyans failed to respond to calls for assistance during the Benghazi attack and anyway the CIA security team on the ground there made all the key decisions, so time to move along now. All is fine in Obama world.

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The real job losses will not show up until the November jobs report is released since that is when the Republican billionaires will be forced to fire all their employees after Obama is re-elected. I wonder who would suffer the most from such a lame threat, the employees or the employers.

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7.9% is as good as Obama can deliver. And every time the quarterly numbers are released they are then reduced a week later. But what do I know. Maybe someone can help me with something. We are told we need to increase taxes to generate more revenue. We have automatic tax increases on the way and democrats are complaining about the impending tax increases. Shouldn’t we welcome all the tax increases we can get along with forced military spending cuts ? Or is this a case of saying we need some people to get an increase while most do not ? Let the taxes go up and our economy will respond by generating jobs, isn’t that what we want ?

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Liberal Nightmare

November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am

“brain-dead lib-turd parasite masses”

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Oh you smooth talker!

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Stevie Ray, why are you, as a conservative, demanding that the government fix peoples’ problems?

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The cons idea of the governement fix peoples’ problems is to dismantle the governement and let the people fend for themselves.
Just as Romeny would dismantle FEMA. I hate to think what the result would have been in NY and NF without FEMA and without the other federal aid. – which the cons want to eliminate.

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“When Obama was handed this mess, he tried to fix it, without Congress’ help. It’s a miracle we’ve gotten this far.”

You mean when he had a supermajority in the House and one Senator away from a fillibuster proof Senate? Yeah he had almost no help!

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“One would rise to the pinnacle of ignorance to not acknowledge the FACT that it was Republican policies that caused the great food stamp migration in the first place.”

Then you must be the god of ignorance beyond the pinnacle to make this statement. The economic collapse was a combination of policies from both sides which created a cooked derivatives market that was very short sighted by those on the left and right, and it didn’t start in the Bush era. I’ll simplify it for your simpleton government schooled mind….you loan money to those who can’t pay it back and you’re going to lose your arse. Look no further than Clayton County Georgia as a prime example of under lying reasons for the economic collapse (lack of personal responsibility).

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The good news is that the unemployment rate ticked upward by .1% for October because 578,000 more people were out looking for jobs in October, than had been the case in previous months, because they believed that the the economy was improving enough that they actually had a chance of getting a job.

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St Simons, Floridas chads were counted twice by independent parties and Bush still won the state, Geeesh! get over it, your worse than Gore.

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It was not the chads, it was the butterfly ballot that made, or would have made the difference. And there was no way to recount those.
But I agree. It’s time to get over it and move on.

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LORD

Missed that question..I think there is no doubt that FOX, as usual being anti Obama has as usual, reported unconfirmed reports…both sides (included BO out of the gate on this re to it’s a terror attack…no its a video..no its terror attack)…can only believe half from either side..

I’m not remotely the FOX news influenced person you think..just because I think the response to the people and the families of those killed is not acceptable, bears no relation to an affinity for FOX or any other outlet..they all are biased..

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WOW!!! You demwits have lost your minds. The unemployment numbers WENT UP, and somehow that is good news?!?! When he took office the number was 4.3%. when he left it was 7.9%. You combine 8 years of horrible economic policy, add to that the cover up in Abu Ghraib, and you have to wonder how in the hell can anyone in their right mind support this failure. And you have a tragedy in Louisiana (Katrina) and 9/11, and Bush got 8 years WOW…you’re pathetic!

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Poor Republicans. They’re jealous of Obama. Obama has created an average of 157,000 jobs per month while the Republicans have created zero jobs since their 2010 jobs campaign.

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Nightmare – deregulation of banks and mortgage industry was a liberal thing? Really? The three trillion dollar wars and the Bush tax cuts were pushed by Liberals? You realize that most of our problems are tied to these issues.

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9:43 post was directed to pete. Is that short for peter?

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/opinion/romney-vision-for-america/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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The New York Times:

In the last assessment of the job market before the U.S. presidential election, the Labor Department announced that the nation’s employers added 171,000 jobs in October. The unemployment rate rose to 7.9 percent. The overall report showed persistent but modest improvement in the American economy.

What about adding 171,000 jobs is bad, when we were hemmorhaging jobs when BUsh left office?

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Mary Elizabeth, did repubs block cash for caulkers, cash for clunkers, Dodd/Frank, the stimulus ?
Those were passed and were supposed to reduce unemployment to under 6% at this point. Please tell us what was in the jobs bill that was not in the stimulus bill.

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Stevie Ray – ‘FOX, as usual being anti Obama has as usual, reported unconfirmed reports…’

But that is NOT my point!

Reporting ‘unconfirmed reports’ is sometimes OK as long as that is part of the reporting…FOX has created a narrative, embellished unconfirmed, cherry picked info to support that narrative and left out any mention of ‘unconfirmed’ in the process.

That goes WAY beyond reporting ‘unconfirmed reports.’ The fact that you are trying to put them into the ‘well, they all report unconfirmed reports’ equivocation further exposes your ‘independent’ facade…

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I see Jay is still putting out smoke in final attempts to keep the base pumped up for Obama. However, there must be some sense of reality and reason creeping in as the piece is very short.

While any improvement in the jobs numbers is good news, anyone with two grey cells to rub together knows it is not anywhere near good enough to even off-set new people to the workforce. And, the real unemployment rate is close to 15%.

The numbers are also incredibly weak for the money Barry spent. Face it Moonbats. Barry and his policies are failures.

Vote Mitt !

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Welcome to the Occupation

November 2nd, 2012
9:42 am

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Good points. But I think you answered your own question. The power of big capital – corporations and money – today. Part of that may be the power of television. Also the Super Pacs resulting from the Supreme Court decision that corporations can have unlimited contributions. Lot’s of factors make things different now.
But, there are a lot of people who don’t accept it and are trying to change it.
Another thing, more people don’t trust government now. They have seen a lot of waste. Most people in the western red states don’t want any government to speak of, and the south has its own reasons for not wanting to give the federal govt. power. (Remember the sixties)

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If Obama and his team are doing so well why is Obama telling us that we need a Secretary of Business ? Everybody knows that if you get the wealthy to pay 39% instead of 36% we would not have a trillion dollar a year debt, what would a sec of biz tell us that we don’t already know ?

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By the way:

Where’s EJ Moosa?

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Why are conservatives such whiners, hate America, and want the government to fix all their problems?

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The Fallen

November 2nd, 2012
9:44 am

‘Come on man’ are you really throwing around the you didn’t build that nonsense again? Things like that really demean any argument you put before or after it for that matter.

Ireland is broke and sports one of the highest unemployment rates in Europe. Economic liberty isn’t putting food on the table sound recovery policy is, as evidenced by our movement in this country. That’s why the austerity nonsense touted by the Republicans has been credited with exacerbating the economic problems of the EU and have many of the countries questioning whether they will even remain committed.

The countries across the pond are trying to emulate the American recovery policies not the other way around. Look, nobody wants to spend at the rate you have to in this day and time but this is a once in a hundred year world problem. In the words of the streets: “you gotta do what you gotta do.”

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For all the conservatives that love to act like they have superior knowledge, why did a recent poll of Harvard MBA students forsake the Harvard MBA running for President and 2/3rds of them select Obama?

If only they would put down those books and watch Fox I suppose.

http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20121031184343-17970806-why-harvard-mbas-favor-obama-over-one-of-their-own

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Also btw, anyone notice that the “real” unemployment rate went DOWN?

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Alas, the Jaycolytes cannot rethink their positions nor can the far right. Will the last moderate please turn out the lights.

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Anyone who thinks this economy is doing well is looking through rose colored glasses. Planned layoffs are up, capital spending is down, average wages are down and no one has a clue what our economic conditions are going to be in just 3 months.

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You all know the saying about putting lip stick on a pig, don’t you?

what does Snowbillie Snooki have to do with this?

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‘The pathetic jobs numbers are solid proof that leftists have been in control for too long.

As opposed to those wonderful numbers in the waning days of the Bush admin…

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Steve

November 2nd, 2012
8:59 am

If Obama has been such a failure for the economy, why are we slowly but surely pulling ourselves out of the mess that the GOP created?

Less people employed now than when he took office. Only a Democratic shill would consider this a success.

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Steve – If McCain had won, we would be out of this recession by now
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Yes, and in a depression or living in caves.

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Drudge — “So even though UE went back up to 7.9, you are looking at net jobs and seeing it as a win? Wow. Your cup is indeed 1/2 full – even if your cup doesn’t keep pace with population growth.”

I think it’s pretty funny how cons crow about the unemployment rate in relation to population growth NOW when they didn’t even recognize its existence during the Bush Administration.

In the 96 months of the Bush Administration, job growth outpaced natural population growth for only 24 of those months.

That’s right, only 25%. And you’re slagging on Obama? Better check the BLS stats, kids, because Obama beats Bush on that metric, hands down.

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I don’t understand why some on this blog seem to be unhappy with the rise in employment.

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‘Funny line by David Burge’

Yeah…hilarious…ashole.

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More Burge: “In 2009 Obama forecast Oct 2012 unemployment of 5.2%. Missed it by 4.2 million jobs.”

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Good thing all those defense contractors didn’t lay off all those employees (thanks to Obama’s sequestration) before the election…..

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Four more days until we find out what the American people really think of this administrations performance

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ragnar danneskjold

November 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

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We need government by moderates and people in the center who are not bound by ideology. And the candidates closest to the center generally win.

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FLAT…it’s the new UP

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If you’re grandpa liked Herbert Hoover’s Great Depression and if you liked GW Bush’s Great Recession, then vote for Republican businessman Mitt Romney. You aint seen nuthin’ yet!

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*your

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Hey CONs look on the bright side , you still have Grover Norquist and Rush maybe they can by some land way out in the wilderness and you all can take vacations out there.. LOL…

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Romney 320….. Bozo 218. Believe it.

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Drink – every time you hear/read ‘cook the books’ – and pls don’t drive

cons, I know this is foreign to you, but honest accountants
don’t cook books. That’s criminal.
can I call you a child molester if i don’t like your answer? Deal?

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8% unemployment is something to celebrate? That is still twice as high as it should be in a recovery. Full employment is considered to be 4 1/2 % unemployment. There are millions that have given up even looking for a job. Begs the possibility that these books are cooked. 8 + % unemployment is nothing to celebrate unless you are happy with failure: $6,000,000,000,0000 + added to the Fed debt in 4 short years under the Obama/Pelosi reign and still 8% + unemployment – not counting the millions that have given up looking for work and the tens of thousands added to the disability rolls which is the new welfare. Obama’s handlers are touting one person moved from unemployment rolls to the disability rolls as a gub’ment created job. Disability rolls have TRIPLED under Obama…… and that is economic recovery success? Common sense says the Obama/Pelosi plan to spend your way out of debt has taken us to the edge of the fiscal cliff….. We can’t afford 4 more years of Obama/Pelosi. FIRE OBAMA!

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Romney 320….. Bozo 218. Believe it.

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When I see it.

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Obams promised unemployment would be under 6% (it’s 7.9%). Obama prmised the deficit would be cut in half(it’s doubled). More people on food stamps than ever. More people unemployed or under employed than ever. That’s the good news?

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K71 — “Romney 320….. Bozo 218. Believe it.”

You’re still high if you’re buying into those Colorado dudes’ brand-new analysis.

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SIGN Grovers pledge . I pledge to be a liar, tax evader and job destroyer. OK your Hired..NOT..

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“The work force — the number of people either working or looking for work — rose by 578,000. And 410,000 more people said they were employed. The number of unemployed increased 170,000 to 12.3 million, pushing up the unemployment rate.”
Great news? 171,000 new jobs and 170,000 more unemployed???? 12.3 million unemployed is excellent news? And that doesn’t even count how many millions more that have given up looking for work?
I see how Obama wins. He gets all the dummnies on here that consider this great news to vote for him.

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ITS ALL BUSH’S FAULT

November 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

SIGN Grovers pledge . I pledge to be a liar, tax evader and job destroyer. OK your Hired..NOT..

Two words: Tim Geithner

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Mary Jane is semi-legal in Colorado – yes?

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Lest we forget George W. Bush….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pojL_35QlSI

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Morality? “8% unemployment is something to celebrate? That is still twice as high as it should be in a recovery”

Yeah, yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying here. But the obvious solution to the problem, the one utilized by Roosevelt for ex. in the 1930s, no one is even talking about this. Why not? Because neither party is interested in it.

You have corporations fatter than ever, sitting on trillions of dollars in cash without investing very much of it. And why are you tolerating it? Same reason as the liberals are tolerating it. Because the consensus that is handed down to us from the big capital overlords, those who dictate the confines of permissible political discourse in this system, is such that we have to.

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Immigrants pay into Social Security. Immigrants pay income taxes. My family immigrated in the 1600’s, so I have no problem with any hard working person getting a job.

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H. E. Pennypacker — “Kayaker, I have looked at the math for swing state delegates and can’t quite figure out how you get to 320. Given your high level of confidence at that figure over the last few weeks, what states are you predicting to go Romney’s way?”

He’s relying on that brand-new methodology from those two professors in Colorado. The cons have convinced themselves that those guys have called every election accurately since 1980, but they only rolled out their analysis *this year.* They didn’t actually predict anything — in fact, they haven’t YET predicted anything accurately. They simply constructed their model so that its *results* would match the actual results from all the races since 1980, then ran it on this year’s race and reported their results as a ‘prediction.’

It is as if I developed a methodology for predicting Powerball winners by simply *claiming* I had called every winner since Powerball went live. Would *you* rely on my prediction, or would you figure out that I was blowing smoke? Well, K71 hasn’t figured it out — he’s been suckered by those numbers. All that remains now is for him to see how badly those Colorado profs were wrong next week.

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Morality? “Common sense says the Obama/Pelosi plan to spend your way out of debt has taken us to the edge of the fiscal cliff”

“Common sense” may say it. But common sense would be wrong.

Remember that the places where the anti-spending approach has taken hold most aggressively: the UK and the EU, are precisely the places that have seen the most terrifyingly bad economic numbers since adopting such an approach.

Care to explain then why you persist in thinking that reduced spending is a way out of our predicament when all the evidence in the world — quite literally — suggests the opposite?

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What are you talking about, unemployment just ticked back to 7.9%

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“This sucker could go down”

~ G W Shrub

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I hope someone offers Geithner a load of cash and Obama has to hire someone else.

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Who are the Dixie Chicks?

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DownInthatlittletown next to DoeRun

I hear ya, bro. Who cares about those stupid grapes, anyway? They’re sour as hell.

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Air heads and brain dead zombies vote Obama. Let the gub’ment think for you ’cause you are to dumb to think for yourself. If that describes you then definitely vote Obama. Let the gub’ment run your life from the cradle to the grave……….. one little problem though and I hate to bring it up – the gub’ment is $16,000,000,000,000 past broke and that check you get in the mail will be soon rejected for insufficient funds. That’s right – even the gub’ment ain’t God. Only God can create the miracle that can get you out of this mess if you vote 4 more years of this failure back in to office. So if you vote Obama/Pelosi start praying for a miracle.

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Trump dangled the Sandy victims in front of his five million dollar offer to Obama. Maybe the #1 issue in this election should be our lost sense of shame. It’s toast. The lower we sink, the more we tune in. Trump’s recent tweets are common He’s also promoting his new season of Apprentice. I saw a preview. Here’s some of it: “Okay, The fake stool sample industry is the fastest growing industry in the fraternity prank market. Your project is to leave fake stool samples all over New York. The one who closes the most restaurants wins.”

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Get Real

November 2nd, 2012
10:23 am

Regardless of whether one perceives this news as good, bad or otherwise 99.9% of folks have long since made up their mind. It will all come down to voter turn out…

You hit the nail on the head. In fact, I’ll venture to say that 100.0% of the folks on this blog have long made up their minds…

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Adam: “The Economist endorsed Obama. Why would they do that if Obama is so terrible for the economy?”

I think I saw the other day where in a poll of UK conservatives something like 73% said they’d never vote for one of these loons over here who goes by the name “conservative”. They want no part of them. And I think the Economist endorsements of Obama – in ‘08 and now – are a good measure of that disdain.

What do you think, US conservatives? Do you need no stinkin UK conservative approval? How’s that working for you?

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Morality?, what is your new name gonna be on November 7?

Moronity?

Which actually sounds like a good name for the depraved Donnie Birther’s new TV show!

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Dear Oscar @ 10:06, So you would prefer being governed by people with no core beliefs, no rational system of decision-making, and have no particular affection for preservation of individual freedom nor respect for individual responsibility? At least you reject governance by bureaucrats.

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K71 — “According to Rasmussen, which Bookman touted yesterday as reliable”

Guess you just take Rasmussen as reliable because they agree with you. Actually, you should be looking into their policies.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/rasmussen.html

“I really feel that there are a whole bucket full of “probable” Bozo voters that will jump ship and vote for Romney.”

Faith-based polling! LOL!

“I think that Romney will take every swing state in play plus PA or MI or both. You might say that this is pie in the sky thinking but I do not.”

Yes, but you trust those snake-oil salesmen in Colorado, so I think the pie is beating you two falls out of three.

“Same with Latinos. I just don’t believe the media.”

How many Hispanics do you actually know well enough to discuss politics with them? I’m married to one.

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TIE
269 Obama
269 Romney

Romney wins 28 – 22 when the house votes!

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Adam

November 2nd, 2012
10:21 am
The Economist endorsed Obama. Why would they do that if Obama is so terrible for the economy?

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They would not if he was worse for the economy than Romney. Their veiw is that Romney and the people he would appoint to the cabinet and as his advisors would be much worse.
Ane they are correct.

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Joe, 10:33,

“I’m married to one”……. Is she going to vote for Romney?

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If we are to believe there’s always a “not looking for work” component at play in the economy, is it safe to say then even in a good economy we can add 4-5 points to the unemployment number?

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Most of these jobs are probably the result of seasonal jobs getting ready for the Christmas season.

Is it okay to mention Christmas on this blog?

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Astute people by now should know to take anything presented by the corrupt liberal msm and its hacks with a grain of salt. The preliminary numbers released this morning are slightly better than treading water numbers. So things are slightly better than last month. That said, for this stage of a supposed recovery from a very very severe recession, the numbers are still terrible. A strong robust recovery from a very severe recesioion should be generating about 300,000 – 400,000 net jobs a month at this stage in time, not slightly better than treading water numbers.

Back in 1992, 3rd qtr GDP growth under the first President Bush came in at a suprisingly high 2.7%. The NYTimes editorial board called that a let-down and said it showed that the health of the economy was creeping along at a painfully slow pace. Had such a 2.7% GDP growth number been produced under Obama for the recent 3rd quarter, the NYTimes editorial board would treat it as the 2nd coming as evidenced by the NYTimes describing the much lower 2.0% GDP growth in 3rd quarter of 2012 as being steady improvement. Was it ever this bad in the old Soviet Union regarding the news people were fed?

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U. Samantha — “Romney wins 28 – 22 when the house votes!”

Actually, I think it’s the *newly* elected House that gets to vote on it.

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“Most of these jobs are probably the result of seasonal jobs getting ready for the Christmas season.”

You obviously just skipped over the part of the jobs report that broke down the gains by category. To be fair you probably just read the headlines.

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The Dixie Chicks ain’t nobody and that’s a good thing.
They used to be girls from New Jersey and New York that put on cowboy hats and boots and tried to turn country. They were frauds…….. about as southern as Obama.

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K71 — “Joe, 10:33, “I’m married to one”……. Is she going to vote for Romney?”

Absolutely not. And both she and her family used to be Mormons.

I will give you this nugget — there are significant numbers of Mormons in other Mountain West states than Utah. Notably, Nevada has quite a few Mormon voters, which may help explain how Senator Harry Reid — himself a Mormon — has served in his office as long as he has.

Now look at how Nevada’s been tilting toward Obama for much of the campaign and ask yourself — if Hispanics and Mormons are as charged up about Romney as you think, how come he can’t close the deal in Nevada?

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Dr. Sowell is starting to use his twitter account. ” ‘Entitlement’ is not only the opposite of achievement, it undermines incentives to do all the hard work that leads to achievement.”

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except that all of those horrific events in the Bush administration occurred as the market reacted to the election of a truly incompetent individual as president.

simply wow, I never thought that anyone but Rush would pass off that type of bullcrap as intelligent thought. Even the guys at the sewage treatement plant would refuse that as just too slimey. But nothing too low for our conned friends.

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Mark in Mid Town

“Was it ever this bad in the old Soviet Union regarding the news people were fed?”

Heavens No!

They didn’t have republicans who swallowed so easily.

Pssst….there’s a little something dribbling down your chin.

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rag – I’m sure I know much more about history than you. FDR’s biggest mistake was letting the Republicans push him into cutting stimulus spending in 1937. Are you one of those people who thinks the 30 year old Community Reinvestment Act caused the market collapse? Try looking at those poor banks who made those bad loans for huge profits, sold them to bigger banks who folded them into collateralized debt obligations and sold them for even bigger profits, and then issued unbacked insurance on the cdo’s (for even bigger profits) in the form of credit default swaps. It was the lack of regulation that let this happen, not because there was too much. Those poor banks weren’t forced into making those loans – you couldn’t have held them back with a team of mules.

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Dear Welcome @ 10:46, you may be close to an epiphany. Have you ever considered supporting candidates who would obviate the utility of attorneys. It is only through the care and feeding of big government that the overlords can continue to reign. Suggest either the Swiss or Hong Kong models as a template.

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Unemployment goes up but Libs tout this as good jobs numbers? Only in liberal fantasy land. Lemme know when a million jobs get created in one month like under Reagan.

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JohnnyReb

November 2nd, 2012
10:20 am
“Here’s a good example of why Romney and Conservatives will carry the day come Tuesday – one word – Bloomberg.

The idiot mayor is using generators, security personnel, etc, etc to have a marathon while people can’t purchase gasoline due to the service station not having electricity.”

Lest you forget….Bloomberg is a former REPUBLICAN who became an Independent!! The reasoning is that the NYC Marathon would bring money INTO New York (to the tune of close to $1B)…at a time where the city is LOSING $250M a day!! That would be an economic start to recovery, wouldn’t it??

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make the “right or left” not right of left.

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Morality? “Say what you want about Romney’s politics but saying he has never worked”

On what basis do you justify the fact that Mitt Romney gets to keep a higher percentage of the windfall amounts he reaps by having digits moved around on computer screens than you or I do for doing actual “work”.

Work, mind you, is defined as that which you or I have to do to avoid starvation and homelessness, a threat that never ever enters the equation for a member of the economic royalty like Mitt Romney.

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Moving FORWARD!

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There goes Fishy, crying over spilled ilk again.

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Bloomberg outlawed 32 oz soft drinks while others concern themselves with the real problems of this country like high unemployment and the Fed debt……… sounds like a big gub’ment Obama supporter to me.

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Don’t take Rags seriously, he comes onto the board and supports his points with the thin veneer of ideology, but when pressed to provide actual support or cite examples of when such theories resulted in a successful outcome, he pivots into the ether of another attack on leftists.

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All these numbers will do is reinforce most decisions people have already made. It will help Obama marginally in preventing any slight polling negatives which would result from bad figures. The decision making is over. It is now like the last 2 minutes of very tight basketball game. Time for the coaches to implement tactics to maximize turnout.

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“Like a million jobs in one month under Reagan.”

The good old day’s when before he took us from the leading creditor to leading debtor. The great Ronnie Ray-Gun. Governing by horoscope.

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kayaker 71

November 2nd, 2012
10:56 am

“About the only outlet that has taken Bozo to task is Fox.”

…and when Fox broadcasters have been called out as liars by one of their OWN, doesn’t that speak volumes????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/geraldo-rivera-benghazi-eric-bolling_n_2064006.html?utm_hp_ref=media

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A little jealous of others success are we? Obama ain’t exactly in the poor house himself. Obama is a member of the dreaded 1%. Good for him…….. however, according to the IRS, he made his millions AFTER entering the White House. So Romney is guilty of making his in the private sector?

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Washington Post Editorial – “THE CHOICE” By Charles Krauthammer – 11/1/12 :

“An Obama second term means that the movement toward European-style social democracy continues, in part by legislation, in part by executive decree. The American experiment — the more individualistic, energetic, innovative, risk-taking model of democratic governance — continues to recede, yielding to the supervised life of the entitlement state.

If Obama loses, however, his presidency becomes a historical parenthesis, a passing interlude of overreaching hyper-liberalism, rejected by a center-right country that is 80 percent nonliberal.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-choice/2012/11/01/59b5bed0-2445-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_print.html

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InTrade:
Obama 2-1

FiveThirtyEight.com:
Obama 4-1

Shout about how you don’t like THESE numbers, cons!

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Non-union crews turned away from NJ…

drudgey spam

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Corbin – agreed somewhat but seasonal hiring can be a disparate flare to actualized growth – ie, it seldom acts as a true indicator of economic growth and employment. Like that huge spike in “job creation” we saw in 2010? It was census workers…and it vanished after 60 days.

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Rag – I see I had you correctly pegged.

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Joe, 11:00,

It all comes down to trust. If you are confident enough to trust your economic future and the future of this country to this clown, be my guest. I just don’t happen to share your views. His agenda has just not worked. It becomes more evident every day that he is over his head with the economy. Reagan had over 40 straight months of economic growth and began the most prolific economic recovery this country has ever known. We still have overall growth under 2% with unemployment pegged at about 8%. This hasn’t changed in over 40 months. Bozo has just failed the electorate, plain and simple.

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Food Stamp Growth 75X Greater than Job Creation…

drudgey spam

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Maybe even your simple mind can comprehend this .. the IRS, under the Obama regime, has full access of Romney’s books and tax returns and they have filed no criminal charges against Romney. Now don’t you think that if Romney had come by his money illegally or dodged his taxes under the current laws that Obama/Pelosi would be shouting it to the high heavens? Not a peep.

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So many fervent conservative posts here.

So little intelligence and knowledge.

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ragnar:

“Have you ever considered supporting candidates who would obviate the utility of attorneys”

The big corporate patent monopoly machine supported by both parties offers enough work for patent attorneys stretching out in the future as far as the eye can see.

Nobody’s seriously talking about taking work off the table for attorneys in this economy, they’re central to it. Never you mind what BS the GOP feeds us about “tort reform” or whatever they go on about.

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from David Letterman Show:

Biden’s top 10 reasons for voting early
10. I’m not saying each early voter gets a free cheeseburger, but I’m not saying they don’t either.
9. It’s vastly more effective than voting late.
8. You know who votes early? People with a backbone like a ramrod.
7. In a less crowded polling center, there’s plenty of room to stretch out, linger and relax.
6. If you vote early you don’t have to pay taxes. I’m sorry I’m being told that’s not accurate.
5. Single and looking to mingle? Find that special someone in the early voting booth.
4. Of course, there’s the open bar.
3. Not exercising your right to vote is malarkey – it’s literally malarkey.
2. Early voters will receive a $5 million donation from Donald Trump.
1. Honestly, don’t you want this election over with already?

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“It all comes down to trust.”

And that is why at the end of the day, the electorate is going to keep an average President over Mitt.

Your inclination in regards to the reasoning is on point. Where you think the electorate is going to instill that trust is off.

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Study: Media Framed Benghazi In Obama’s Terms…

Which of course explains why night after night Bush -era intelligence officials go on tv and debunk the latest hysteria fit of the Sean Hannitys and urge caution before there has been enough time for a thorough study of what happened.

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“from the date of Romney’s election until the end.”

Why are you so concerned about what might occur in 2016?

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What qualified Obama to run for Prez the 1st time? Of course Harvard is going to vote Obama. He and the Dems are lawyers and are very lawyer “friendly”. Getting people on disability rolls has been a boom to the lawyer buiz. You know – as seen on T V. Call Lawyer 1-800-BOZO so I can get you on disability and SUPER SIZE your gub’ment payment.

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Where does Romney differ from Bush on:

1- Economic policy
2- Foreign policy

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Dear Welcome @ 11:11, partially agree. Moderate Republicans and all democrats support the virtues of litigation. People with a grasp of economics prefer rewriting laws to minimize litigation.

Ragnar list: replace manufacturer tort liability, and medical malpractice liability, with a system akin to the “worker compensation” schemes managed by the states. Replace vehicle accident litigation with a true no-fault system, one in which an individual can choose to purchase coverage or bear all risk himself. Abolish the SEC, replace with a narrowly defined 10b-5 Federal statute. Economic savings by eliminating the waste now in the system would wipe out the government deficit.

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Jm..”Obama: the worst president since Hoover”
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As hysterical as Romney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:53, you are perhaps the only person in the country who thought Obama’s history (pre-2008) was even marginally adequate to address the economic challenges then present.”

No, actually the comparative actions of Obama and McCain during the Washington conferences post-crash helped me make up my mind. Obama certainly wasn’t an ideal candidate, but he was head and shoulders above McCain.

“Of course, even you can see the error of your belief now.”

I can see the error in your manufactured reasoning, yes.

“Those employers whose own money was at stake took defensive action as the reality of Obama + crazy radical Congress began to solidify.”

An absolutely and pathetically silly assertion on your part.

“Look for an economic boom “within the term of the Obama administration” from the date of Romney’s election until the end.”

Wouldn’t happen even if Romney did get elected. Which he won’t.

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Jawja – you really should put down that crack pipe. It’s ruining your brain real bad. You just don’t make sense.

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Dear curious @ 11:18, Obama and Bush were wasteful big spenders with nearly identical domestic economic policies (Obama’s wasteful spending is “Bush on steroids.”) Bush magnified “freedom” in his foreign policy, Obama magnifies “democracy” with no concern for freedom.

Romney is not a spender in a class with Bush, much less Obama; rather he has the best green eye-shade seen in a generation, Paul Ryan. On foreign affairs, I suspect he will magnify “freedom,
a la Bush, now that we have seen the disastrous results of opening with an apology tour and ending by “leading from behind.”

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Dear ad @ 11:23, I am certain you mean well, but conservatives – unlike leftists – are not sycophants. We follow arguments, not those who make the arguments. Mr. Greenspan was a bright guy, but we do not care “what” he says so much as “why.” In this case, Mr. Greenspan has to conceal the disastrous loose policy conducted by the Fed during the last portion of his tenure.

The Fed is competent to do only one job, to preserve the value of the dollar while ensuring sufficient liquidity to allow the economy to grow. Leftists believe in Humphrey-Hawkins, a patently absurd theory of economics.

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Dear ad @ 11:23, in my 11:27 I was attempting to explain why the “appeal to authority,” so important to leftists, is meaningless to conservatives.

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Dear Regnad @ 11:28, I understand you believe “attorneys” and “litigation” are the only meaningful manners of “redress of grievances.” You err.

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Ragnar

You basing Ryan’s resume on his last budget?

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LORD @ 9:49

Fox does all those things you suggest there is no denying that…this is the standard for all biased journalists these days…have you not noticed..

Please keep putting words in my mouth…i guess you overlook my very consistent commentary on gay rights, abortion rights and the like…

If you are pre-occupied in an effort to define my politics as a parry to posts on other subjects…have fun with that:-)

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I see last month’s Fox News job truthers are humming the opposite tune this month.

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BDZFO – BRAIN DEAD ZOMIBIES FOR OBAMA

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… but conservatives – unlike leftists – are not sycophants.

Yellow cake uranium from Niger.

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let’s see reasonable (read mediocre) people: unemployment drops from 8% to 7.8% and things sre great , happy days are here again…goes to 7.9% and the report is SOLID, hmmmm. Mired in mediocrity, we chose the same; not reasonable in my world, should not be in yours or your CHILDRENS..
Bloomberg comes out for OBAMA…let’s all run the NYC marathon, I have been thru a hurracaine, no time to run a marathon, well at least we cannot get a large soda for the race, Shhhesh

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KAMCHAK

The Iraqi claim was complete BS which was solidly classified as an embarrassment when the Russia and china got most of the oil rights.

I do want to point out that we will see equally ridiculous promises (it will save money of pay for itself) about the HC bill…the government will never be able to squeeze payment to providers or actually cut other waste in the system….guess we will see but money will as usual change hands and the politicos will go easy on the cuts..

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“Astute people by now should know to take anything presented by the corrupt liberal msm and its hacks with a grain of salt.”

I am really sick of the cons calling the MSM liberal. They have let Mitt lie for 2 years and very seldom call him out.

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Stevie Ray,
I believe that if the election were to be held today president Obama would win. And since the election is only four days from today, I think he will win then too.

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Turning away non union workers(if that happend)during a catastrophe,would be comparable to republican congress trying to make Obama a one term president during this recession.

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I do want to point out that we will see equally ridiculous promises (it will save money of pay for itself) about the HC bill…

Yeah, because invading a foreign country that didn’t attack us is EXACTLY THE SAME as trying to provide healthcare for the citizens of this country.

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Also what the Brits think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/02/us-economy-171000-jobs-obama

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“Newt Gingrich will appear at a New American Energy Opportunity Foundation “Gas Can Man” event taking place at the Pentagon Liberty Store at 2300 Columbia Pike tomorrow [Nov 2] from 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM. Drivers will be provided with $1.84 a gallon gasoline “to dramatically show voters what life was like before President Obama imposed onerous restrictions on domestic oil and gas exploration that resulted in soaring gas prices,” according to NAEOF spokesman Joe DeSantis.”

Why not go back 6 months and sell that gasoline at the price from JULY 2008??? Hmmm…..????!??

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Look — it’s GWB out campaigning for Romney this week:

["'Blackout' imposed as George W. Bush speaks at Cayman Islands investment conference"]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02/14875519-blackout-imposed-as-george-w-bush-speaks-at-cayman-islands-investment-conference

LOL– Now that’s the way to really show support for Romney!

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http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/07/gas-prices-1.html

RECORD HIGHS wingnuts… you own it, even if you don’t want to acknowledge the TRUTH… Which is the whole reason gas prices were so low in Jan 2008 was because of W’s complete decimation of our economy.

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“Also what the Brits think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Who cares what the Brits think in between bowing to the Monarch?

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Rags,

No weeping, but for your biased view of the collapse blaming the CRA and Fannie and Freddie in an attempt to paint the bubble as the fault of people interfering with free markets and those silly poor people.

I was an investment banker for 10 years up until 2000 and saw the creation of many financial instruments designed for no other reason other than to avoid taxes, accounting rules and regulations, and to generate huge fees.

Securitizations allowed financial institutions to originate mortgages and have no reciprocity to the risk involved. With the help of complicit rating agencies, that created a huge demand for mortgages of all types and banks like WAMU, Wachovia, Citi, and others reduced lending standards and provide mortgages to people that could not afford them. When people realized they could not afford the payments, they created instruments that had teaser rates that would increase their rates and payments in the future to induce them to come back in and refinance and generate another large fee. All in the interest of pumping more volume through the system and paying obscene near-term bonuses to those in structured finance.

The lack of regulation was the cause, not too much government.

Let’s look at the lack of material refinancings to help dampen the disaster…..well these instruments were sold off into securities with multiple tranches and serviced by banks who no longer had skin in the game. The servicers financial incentives were to keep the portfolio current so foreclosure helped them, yet resulted in no losses to their books. Looking at the investors, an interest rate reduction would have hit all tranches equally, so if you were in the top tiers, where defaults hit you last, your motivation was not to allow a reduction as it would impact your ongoing revenue, while a straight foreclosure would miss your tranche and only hit those at the bottom tiers. Once again, the free market allowed unregulated financial instruments to hurt the economic recovery.

Fannie and Freddies complicity in this all is generally isolated to their role as a large consumer of these securitized instruments, thus increasing the demand for loan originators to provide mortgages, fueling the growing bubble.

I will agree with you on BASEL II, the fact that regulators allowed more creative ways to reduce capital in our financial insitutions was folly and thank goodness the U.S. had minimal exposure to the new rule or TARP would have been much larger. European banks remain less strong in part due to their subscribing to BASEL II and the folly that bank markets regulate themselves.

I have to run and I suspect that over a beer we might actually find a few things we agree upon, like the benefit of a free market, but recent market history has proven a free market must be balanced with appropriate oversight.

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Las Vegas Review-Journal Destroys Obama

In one of the most blistering denunciations of Barack Obama ever penned, the Las Vegas Review Journal published an editorial today that excoriated Obama not only for his ineptitude in the Benghazi attack, but also his duplicity afterward and the cooperation of a supine press:

The Obama administration sat by doing nothing for seven hours that night, ignoring calls to dispatch help from our bases in Italy, less than two hours away. It has spent the past seven weeks stretching the story out, engaging in misdirection and deception involving supposed indigenous outrage over an obscure anti-Muslim video, confident that with the aid of a docile press corps this infamous climax to four years of misguided foreign policy can be swept under the rug, at least until after Tuesday’s election … The official explanation for why Obama administration officials watched the attack unfold for seven hours, refusing repeated requests to send the air support and relief forces that sat less than two hours away in Italy? Silence.

The RJ also charged Obama with impotence as he flew off to Las Vegas instead of dealing with the attack.

Prompt and strong action from the White House on Sept. 11 might have saved American lives, as well as America’s reputation as a nation not to be messed with. Weakness and dithering and flying to Las Vegas the next day for celebrity fund-raising parties are somehow better?

The RJ pulled no punches about the Obama Administration‘s efforts to destroy our economy and accused Obama of continually flat-out lying to the American people.

This administration is an embarrassment on foreign policy and incompetent at best on the economy – though a more careful analysis shows what can only be a perverse and willful attempt to destroy our prosperity. Back in January 2008, Barack Obama told the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle that under his cap-and-trade plan, “If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.” He added, “Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” It was also in 2008 that Mr. Obama’s future Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, famously said it would be necessary to “figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe” – $9 a gallon.

Yet the president now claims he’s in favor of oil development and pipelines, taking credit for increased oil production on private lands where he’s powerless to block it, after he halted the Keystone XL Pipeline and oversaw a 50 percent reduction in oil leases on public lands.

These behaviors go far beyond “spin.” They amount to a pack of lies.

The RJ concluded:

To return to office a narcissistic amateur who seeks to ride this nation’s economy and international esteem to oblivion, like Slim Pickens riding the nuclear bomb to its target at the end of the movie “Dr. Strangelove,” would be disastrous. Candidate Obama said if he couldn’t fix the economy in four years, his would be a one-term presidency.

Mitt Romney is moral, capable and responsible man. Just this once, it’s time to hold Barack Obama to his word. Maybe we can all do something about that, come Tuesday.

The fiery wrath of proud Americans is back.

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If New York City mayor Bloomberg wanted to help Obama, he would have endorsed Romney. No one outside of the confines of New York City respect the amusing mayor of New York any more than than they respect the retarded Vice President Joe Biden.

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““to dramatically show voters what life was like before President Obama imposed onerous restrictions on domestic oil and gas exploration that resulted in soaring gas prices,””

“NEW YORK — U.S. oil output is surging so fast that the United States could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s biggest producer.”

We are now number 2.

Oct 23, 2012 AP-

http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20121024/BUSINESS/310240006/U-S-may-soon-world-s-biggest-oil-producer?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

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Apparently the Las Vegas Review Journal isn’t a fan of Obama.

Since they have destroyed him, no need to have the election.

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let’s see reasonable (read mediocre) people: unemployment drops from 8% to 7.8% and things sre great , happy days are here again

Sorry, but it was 8.3 to 8.1 to 7.8 to 7.9. You act as though a trend makes no difference.

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R. Danneskjold — “Dear ad @ 11:23, in my 11:27 I was attempting to explain why the “appeal to authority,” so important to leftists, is meaningless to conservatives.”

Ironic troll is ironic.

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DANNYX

You told what I needed to know from your negative comments regarding Rasmussen…guess you will stay away from that question..

Anyhow, since all of the polls are well within margin of error, and 95 electoral votes are suggested to be uncommitted, it’s silly to boast either way that any of these polls really say anything other than it all depends on voter turnout…

Of course I won’t try to convince you not to take what you are translating to guaranteed a victory for your contestant..

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ADAM

And you chalk this favorable trend up to your contestants policies? Do you think this trend will reverse itself if Romney wins? I’m a UGA alum and I actually bet $100 for UF to beat the spread…best $100 if ever spent..

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More good news for Obama and bad news for Romney.

“11/1/2012 NEW YORK (Reuters) – Consumer confidence rose in October to its highest in more than four years as Americans were more upbeat about improvements in the labor market, a private sector report showed on Thursday.

The Conference Board, an industry group, said its index of consumer attitudes gained to 72.2 from a downwardly revised 68.4 in September. It was the highest level since February 2008, though it came in shy of economists’ estimates for 72.5.

September was originally reported as 70.3.”

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DIA — “In one of the most blistering denunciations of Barack Obama ever penned, the Las Vegas Review Journal published an editorial today that excoriated Obama not only for his ineptitude in the Benghazi attack, but also his duplicity afterward and the cooperation of a supine press:”

Gawrsh! Conservatives suddenly relying on the Lamestream Media!

What’s next, Yankees in Jawja? (giggling)

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no morals,

Just stop lying con and fins a hobby.

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“Obama Faces Voters With Highest Unemployment Of Any Incumbent Since FDR”

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No one outside of the confines of New York City respect the amusing mayor of New York…

The Blog Emperor has spoken.

So let it be written, so let it be done!

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This blue sheep hopes you are correct.This blue sheep thinks the Feds printing money the reason economy recovering.This blue sheep thinks after Jan.2013 the sheep will hit the fan either Obama or Romney elected.Feds continue printing sheep get further in debt,every dollar printed makes existing dollars worth less.Red Fox or Blue sheep in white house???.

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regnad(sp?), do you mean Keynesian? Well surelu Obama believes in heavy stimulus packages and yes I do believe that the economy required liquidity in 2008, however we appear to be stagnating now. All this economic theory :hayeck, Schumpeter, is WELL beyond me as it appears to be by everyone in this thread, after all it is the “dismal Science”
Whomever becomes president will have to deal with an unstable world economy and a lessening of overall USA economic power,I’ve got my crystal ball out and all I see is auntie Em

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Regarding UGA, I didn’t feel that that line should have been anything less than -14…

The line on this week’s game is UGA by 14 and the o/u is 62.

I don’t see us giving up 24 points.

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Guess I have to explain every thing in simple terms for you since you can’t keep up. “W” admitted smoking weed and boozing. Obama admitted smoking weed, croak and “experimenting” with other recreational drugs. Can we have random drug testing for the Prez while he is in office? The security of this country is at stake if he is still “experimenting”.. We should drug test all candidates running for Prez BEFORE they get in office. That is policy for other gub’ment jobs so why is the Prez exempt?

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“You told what I needed to know from your negative comments regarding Rasmussen…guess you will stay away from that question..”

I won’t stay away from that, Stevie. I like Gallup, however, I don’t like their “likely voter” model, it has not been very accurate the past few elections, in fact their “registered voter” model has done better. I think that will be the case this year.

I like Pew, and I like Quinnipiac. When they showed Romney with a good lead back in the middle of October I thought it meant bad news for Obama. They are no longer showing Romney in the lead. I also think PPP skews to the left a bit.

As far as Rasmussen is concerned I have been predicting for months now that they would show Romney with a good size lead then bring their results closer to the other polls near the end. Right now they are showing Romney tied or in the lead in Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, and Iowa, no other pollster sees all of them in the Romney column. I think Rasmussen is a joke.

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APPLESEED

It is sad that all seem to overlook the fact that several years ago, into GWB Jr’s administration, we had some $800 billion currency in circulation…now we have around $2 trillion…that combined with spending 30% beyond what we get are the most, by far security risks…not terroism, not whatever BS is going on in ME, but our $16 trillion debt which no matter who takes office will climb up to at least $20 trillion in next 4-5 years..The $80 billion a year that would be raised by tax increase on 1%, is already offset by new spending….

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If you have to try to “look presidential”, you’re not

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Did someone say gas prices?

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

Still going down.

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The cons reality bubble is about to pop.

The numbers are moving to President Obama.

Better luck next time cons.

Try living in the real world.

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“If you have to try to “look presidential”, you’re not”

Romney thinks he can win just by looking “residential.”

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I luv me some Carl Hiassen!

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How many jobs have the GOP created during the last four years? How many new jobs has Romney created except for the horse trainer during the last four years? How many American jobs has Bain, Sensata and Delphi shipped off to China while Romney made millions in profits from those companies?
and how much money did the Romneys make that can be traced back to federal auto bailout loans?
Of course we will never know the answer to the last two questions because the King and her Highness decided “we have given you all the information you need”

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oe Hussein Mama

November 2nd, 2012
12:10 pm

That was very good. bravo!

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@ adam What are you babbling about: let’s see another example of APS education: 7.9 is greater than 7.8%, now it is true that 7.9% is less than 8.2% , BUT the 7.9% came AFTER the 7.8% and a higher number (still with me?) means MORE unemployment. I do not see a trend , I see a stable unemployment in the high 7’s. Empiric observation without the determination of the correlation coefficient or standard deviation…..Sheeesh. NOW ,get back to class….

@Kamchuk : what’s this about “sport”, a “sporting” thug, how unique-very entertaining, please continue….

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“Did someone say gas prices? http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx
Still going down.”–ADAM

LOL! The un-intelligent and naive Leftwing sheeple are the most gullible!

Obama and his rich oil buddies raise the price of gas from $1.87 per gallon to $4 per gallon, but when election time comes around they drop it a few schillings ($3.50/gal) to make the useless idiots “FEEL GOOD”.

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The election comes down to this…Democrats are expecting equal or better turnout than in 2008. Won’t happen, economy just not doing well enough to expect that. GOP is expecting equal or better turnout than in 2010. That won’t happen either, Romney is just not conservative enough to get that much enthusiasm. Early voting usually favors Dems, but lots of reports that GOP is showing up early too. I expect polling locations to be steady but not crazy on Tuesday. The election is coming down to Ohio. I foresee Obama leading 263 to 253, with Ohio going undetermined for several days if not weeks due to voting machine and absentee ballot issues. Winner gets the spoils. BTW, that also explains why Romney is in PA, he is hedging bets and trying to win next closest (vote, not just geography) state, so that optimistically he could be ahead 273 to 243 and Ohio would not matter. But I don’t see him pulling it off. My hope is that whoever wins takes both EC and popular vote, do not want another 2000!

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President Faces Post-Bush Meltdown/(W)orst Economic GOP Legacy Since Hoover…

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And the Cons are heart-broken these days because they wanted so badly for the gas prices to top the $5 mark this year — oh waaahhhh!

Cons why do you hate America so much???

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“Planned Parenthood keeps abortions lower than they would be otherwise.”…….. are you trying to get a laugh? Abortion clinics, run by Planned Parenthood affiliates, are a high profit buzness. More babies die – more money to Planned Parenthood. That is called free enterprise. The Yet Born have no rights in this country. Abortion is discrimination against the Yet Born’s right to live.

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Well, it took awhile for O’bozo to bad mouth the Tea Party but he did so today:

““Ruling out compromise by pledging to rubberstamp the Tea Party’s agenda as President -– that’s definitely not change,” Obama said. “In fact, that’s exactly the attitude in Washington that needs to go.””

Tea Party? Are they still out there?

Yup. And they will vote.

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The pee party are just cons that call peeing in a cup and giddily handing it to government freedom.

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“Obama and his rich oil buddies raise the price of gas from $1.87 per gallon to $4 per gallon, but when election time comes around they drop it a few schillings ($3.50/gal) to make the useless idiots “FEEL GOOD”.”

Actually Bush and his disastrous economy and plummeting GDP lowered demand and the price of gas to $1.87/gal.. That was their big accomplishment.

The recovering Obama economy and laws of “supply and demand”, have caused prices to go up again.

The only thing Republicans did was wish for $6/gal gas prices.

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FDR wasn’t ELECTED to four terms. During WWII a national emergency was declared by Congress and FDR was allowed to remain in office until the war was over. There were not four elections for FDR – elections are where the voting citizens go to the polls and elect a president. The citizens did not vote for FDR four times.

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“The Yet Born have no rights in this country”

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“And they Yet Conceived…meh, don’t ask…”

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Can’t blame the Prez for raising gas prices as his gas tax increase was voted down by Congress. “W” wasn’t responsible for gas prices either. That would be the cartel in the middle east.

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If only Pres Obama had focused on the economy rather than Obamacare during his first 2 years, when the had Dems contol of both the House and the Senate. But hey, Obama’s not concerned about that.

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