Last pre-election jobs numbers look solid, encouraging
The final jobs numbers of the election season, released just before the final weekend of the election season, show that “Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 171,000 in October, and the unemployment rate was essentially unchanged at 7.9 percent,” according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That job growth is slightly higher than the 2012 average growth of 157,000 per month.
Adding to the optimism, August job growth was revised upward from the reported 142,000 to the more current 192,000, and job growth for September was also revised upward from 114,000 to 148,000.
– Jay Bookman
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ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:19 am
NBC is a joke and full of lies!
So says the media in Rightwingnutistan. Have you wondered why they keep telling you that, but yet it’s still more popular?
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:19 am
Just saw a heaeline that said Sandy destroyed a lot of cars, but created a need for replacements. And replacements of a lot of other things.
Don’t see how people in New York and New Jersey are surviving. No heat, clean water and little food. Tough spot.
Misty Fyed
November 2nd, 2012
9:19 am
All these job numbers reports are too suspicious. I wouldnt trust them for any politician when they conveniently start improving right before an election.
straitroad
November 2nd, 2012
9:20 am
Probably the most telling indicator of obama’s lack of understanding of economics is this joke about creating a secretary of business. Creating another federal bureaucracy will not create economic growth. He is so far in over his head folks.
Steve
November 2nd, 2012
9:20 am
Don’t look to the government for this problem. Ask the corporations why they are sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars and not hiring, yet the CEO’s are making record salaries.
JamVet
November 2nd, 2012
9:20 am
And out little ex-marine (preemptive strike against anti-patriotism) says the cons were on track??
Delusional.
They shiite the bed for eight straight years and then bitched for the next four when the skinny black guy couldn’t make THEIR stench go away fast enough.
Barry brought us back away from “This sucker could go down” precipice”!
Osama bin Laden is dead and the neocons hate it!
GM is alive and the neocons hate it!
America is rocking again (albeit to a slower rhythm) and the neocons hate it!
Later today, I’ll be listing the biggest GOP-pigs up for reelection in the US Congress and hoping every one of those jerkoffs get sent packing next week…
Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It’s off to work I go…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
9:21 am
BYTME
How did you get change from 1% to .08%? Guess I didn’t carry the decimals?
Think this will change any votes? I still can’t understand the ADP 50% downward revision for September which is materially contradictory to BLS…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:21 am
Just saw a heaeline that said Sandy destroyed a lot of cars, but created a need for replacements. And replacements of a lot of other things.
True. In general, after a major disaster, GDP in the affected area goes WAAAAY up, because of increased economic activity… but first, they’re losing about $200M per day while things are not normal. That’s the number I heard last night, I think.
HDB
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
This is more of an indicator of what the GOP is really up to…and why the economy isn’t growing as it should be:
“On September 14th, the Congressional Research Service published their long anticipated study on the correlation between the tax rates and economic growth from 1945 to today. If you go to their website today, however, the report is mysteriously missing.
Before it vanished, the New York Times downloaded a copy, which they now offer on their website. When you read the report, the reason for the pull might be as simple as what the report discovered.
In the opening paragraph, the report put it plainly:
The evidence does not suggest necessarily a relationship between tax policy with regard to the top tax rates and the size of the economic pie, but there may be a relationship to how the economic pie is sliced.
In other words, tax cuts don’t grow the economy, they just make the rich, richer.”
Here’s the report:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/business/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf
…..and here’s the site to link to the report:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/01/boehners-congress-withdraws-report/
RB from Gwinnett
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
You Libs are amazing. The UE rate goes up and you’re peddling it as good news and cheering from the rooftops. WTF? Pour yourselves another glass of Koolaid!
Btw, am I the only one who has a problem with this department publishing these jobs numbers that are routinely off by 25-50%? Why are we putting any faith in them knowing they’re totally unreliable?
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
Creating another federal bureaucracy
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His idea is to elimate overlapping agencies and put them under one agency. That’s a net reduction in bureaucracy, not creating more.
The Fallen
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
Are you serious?
My point, since you can’t seem to figure it our on your own, is that the national debt has increased 60% under the guise of “job creation” and the unemployment numbers is unchanged. In financial terms, ROI is 0%. What did we get for the money? I can tell you.
More food stamps and government dependency.
still looking for hope
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
Retail jobs for xmas. After being unemployed long term I finally have a 2 month temp job at Macys. I guess that gets counted in the numbers. Until I can get interviews for real jobs, it won’t feel like a recovery to me. (and yes, I have a college degree and experience-there are still several hundred people applying for every job opening)
The other half of your brain.
November 2nd, 2012
9:23 am
Why are you looking to government (Obama) to solve your problems?
Steve, This is the first intelligent thing that you have posted, THANK YOU. Now you need to understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats, because this is exactly what Romney & the Republicans have been saying for Months.
Are you sure that you don’t have your parties mixed up?
Obama Kills
November 2nd, 2012
9:23 am
Bookman you should be taken out back and shot.
As minister of propaganda for the obama cartel, you kill people daily with your lies.
Your picture will sure be of great interest to those you have injured.
TaxPayer
November 2nd, 2012
9:23 am
Stevie Ray, why are you, as a conservative, demanding that the government fix peoples’ problems?
That one’s easy. You see, Stevie Ray is not really a conservative. Just ask him. He’ll tell ya.
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:24 am
ByteMe – Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:21 am
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I think I heard the 200 million a day loss also. That means a net loss. Terrible disaster.
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
9:24 am
red card?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 2nd, 2012
9:24 am
Creating another federal bureaucracy will not create economic growth
The idea is to consolidate several departments/agencies into a single agency – it will reduce federal bureaucracy, not add to it. Try reading more than the headline next time.
Misty Fyed
November 2nd, 2012
9:25 am
This idea of a secretary of Business is not new. It has been considered under several different administrations. In and of itself it won’t create jobs but it’s goal is to get rid of duplication in programs, which is a good thing, and allow businesses a single agency to go to for assistance instead of having to investigate which agency best serves its needs. I want Obama out but this is a good idea.
TaxPayer
November 2nd, 2012
9:25 am
Bookman you should be taken out back and shot.
As minister of propaganda for the obama cartel, you kill people daily with your lies.
Your picture will sure be of great interest to those you have injured.
It takes a real pathetic anonymous POS to post something like that. And I apologize, Jay, for my outburst.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
November 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
Scooter
November 2nd, 2012
8:55 am
Scooter,
If population growth is out pacing job growth, maybe we should consider for free contraceptives…just a thought.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
How did you get change from 1% to .08%? Guess I didn’t carry the decimals?
I went to the BLS, got the series for total labor force and total unemployed and divided them. BLS only publishes the rate series to 1 decimal place, but the underylying numbers are available.
As for the differences in the different data points… it’s noise. That’s the thing that people don’t really follow with all this… the important takeaway is not the specific number for a specific month, it’s the overall trendline over several months AND the direction of the revisions. Everything else — like much of the comments out here — is just noise. Same with polling, by the way… one poll is interesting, but several improves the statistical validity.
ATL Tiger
November 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
Unemployment still higher than when Obama took office.
JamVet
November 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
Btw, am I the only one who has a problem…
So many jokes, so little time…
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
‘You see, Stevie Ray is not really a conservative. Just ask him. He’ll tell ya.’
He is not a conservative, but he swallows and then parrots Fox News spunk reliably…go figure…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
straitroad
November 2nd, 2012
9:20 am
Probably the most telling indicator of obama’s lack of understanding of economics is this joke about creating a secretary of business. Creating another federal bureaucracy will not create economic growth. He is so far in over his head folks.
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I suggest you research this a bit more.
You just blew it.
Moderate Line
November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
The Fallen
November 2nd, 2012
8:49 am
Jay, nice try…bottom line, the number went up to 7.9%, that is unemployment increased. Last report the numbers fell from 8.1% to 7.8 and we heard all about the recovery now being in full swing…
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The average growth during non-recession months since 1992 is 157,000. So in reality the job growth for October is better than average for a non-recession month. Obama’s average for non recession months is 80,000. His average over the last twelve months is 162,000. Although in the last 6 months he has only beaten the average this month.
The numbers are such that the left and the right are able to draw whatever preconceived belief they have for the economy. The numbers are not oeverwhelmingly bad nor good enough to change anyone’s current beliefs. That is probably better news for Romney than Obama. What is interesting is 25% of the people have probably already voted.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
All of the numbers trending in a positive direction , not off hte charts but positive, this is what is called and indicator and CONS listen up it is not done with the smoke and mirrors crap of BUSHIES real estae and wall street bubble . Its being driven by Solid U.S manufacturing…. SUCK IT CONS…
Liberal Nightmare
November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
I see the brain-dead lib-turd parasite masses are hard at work again today. Sitting behind a computer stealing from their employers and posting their ignorance. Funny how all the geniuses on the left denigrate the right for math skills yet they can’t add up the total unemployed (the marginally attached and those that have given up) is at 14.6%. Oh and no one mentions unemployment among those whose populace votes over 93% democratic is at 14.3%.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
HDB, interesting links… Thanks. I doubt our conned friends will ever read them. Their world view cannot be disturbed by reality.
The other half of your brain.
November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
JamitVet, Please take your meds before going to work, or they may fire you. I have never seen anyone rant & rave more on this site than you.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 2nd, 2012
9:28 am
Why do good liberals like Jay Bookman so obsequiously accept the confines of the politics of the “possible” ?
Why do we simply accept an unemployment rate that continues to hover around 7-8% rate, consoling ourselves that “at least things are moving in the right direction”?
With corporations sitting on literally trillions of cash and massive quantities of unused capital goods, shopfronts, equipment, sitting idle and 20 plus million people wanting to find work and still unable to?
Why do good liberals continue to accept what their political ruling class doles out to them as “possible” instead of demanding that our definition of possible change? Don’t really get that. Then again, I do. Humans tend to be very obsequious creatures.
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:28 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
November 2nd, 2012
9:24 am
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Could not have said it better myself. (Obviously, since I tried and didn’t.)
Misty Fyed
November 2nd, 2012
9:28 am
I’d be surprised if the sec. of business could pass under any administration. Too many senators and congressman have too much invested in the power they obtained sitting on or heading the special committees. Those committees would go away with the formation of the new agency. That’s probably what has kept this from happening in the past.
St Simons
November 2nd, 2012
9:29 am
“In what has to be interpreted as a sign of desperation, The Romney campaign is running an ad in Florida that says Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez support Obama. The idea is to convince Floridians–especially Cuban-Americans–that Obama is buddy buddy with socialist dictators. The real takeaway here is that Florida is still up for grabs and Romney is very nervous. Ohio is looking bad and losing Florida on top of losing Ohio would seal his doom. In football, this would be called a “Hail Mary pass.”
TOLD you Obama will win Floriduh, unless they cheat again.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
9:29 am
Oscar
Seems that BO has done a good job in early stages of recovery…be interesting if the outcomes for those most affected are materially different as a result..
JamVet
November 2nd, 2012
9:29 am
The JamVet casino in Las Vegas has posted odds (7 – 1) that the neocon virulence will now grow exponentially up until Tuesday night when many, if not most of these brave Republican souls will slink back into the shadows.
Later. good peeps and Republicans!
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
November 2nd, 2012
9:29 am
ROBME needs to stick to what he is good at , evading the tax man and vulture capitalism. HE is unfit to be commander in chief. OBAMA…2012
TiredOfIt
November 2nd, 2012
9:30 am
Why do republicans hate middle class Americans? They voted against the bill that would give tax breaks to companies bringing jobs back to American.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:31 am
I think I heard the 200 million a day loss also. That means a net loss.
Not really. The losses are the memories and items that aren’t going to be rebuilt or recovered. Lots of economic activity will be shifted into the future (e.g., widgets manufactured and sold elsewhere) or into other geographic areas (e.g., milk purchased by the people who are displaced). And there will be lots of NEW economic activity — new houses built, new cars bought, new household items to replace old ones — that weren’t anticipated before.
Overall, disasters are usually net gains… except for the insurance and reinsurance company stocks.
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:31 am
Why do good liberals like Jay Bookman so obsequiously accept the confines of the politics of the “possible” ?
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You mean why do they face reality. And no one has accepted our slow growth. The administration is working to make the figures better, and they are getting better.
willie lynch
November 2nd, 2012
9:32 am
The Fallen
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
The purpose of the food stamp program is to increase it’s numbers in times of economic hardship. One would rise to the pinnacle of ignorance to not acknowledge the FACT that it was Republican policies that caused the great food stamp migration in the first place.
Again, I’m asking, how long does it take to recover from the economic devastation caused by Republican policies? In financial terms our ROI can’t be determined for some time but the stabilization of our banking system and the fact that we kept our automotive industry intact is a strong testament to the ROI we sought.
Keep hating if you must but the other economies around the globe are looking at us not the other way around.
Liberal Nightmare
November 2nd, 2012
9:32 am
“All of the numbers trending in a positive direction , not off hte charts but positive, this is what is called and indicator and CONS listen up it is not done with the smoke and mirrors crap of BUSHIES real estae and wall street bubble . Its being driven by Solid U.S manufacturing…. SUCK IT CONS…”
Ignorance is bliss. A “trend” is not created in a year from a much larger data set. I doubt you can digest facts genius – but here they are……..
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
9:32 am
BYTME
Agreed…
LORD
I’m flattered that you take such an interest in my political leanings…is there any way for you to debate the issue at hand as opposed to attack the source mode? Guess not..
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 2nd, 2012
9:32 am
2016
Obama’s Part Time America
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/business/a-part-time-life-as-hours-shrink-and-shift-for-american-workers.html?pagewanted=all
H. E. Pennypacker
November 2nd, 2012
9:32 am
I rather enjoy the irony of those on the right who come to this board, post rants, threats, and insults while challenging generally accepted economic numbers all the while claiming it is Obama supporters who are desperate.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
November 2nd, 2012
9:33 am
NIGHTMARE , you have been played like a SUCKER along with the rest of you repugs in hate..losers..
Steve
November 2nd, 2012
9:33 am
Seeing that the unemployment numbers are trending down and job growth numbers are trending up, this is bad, why? When Obama was handed this mess, he tried to fix it, without Congress’ help. It’s a miracle we’ve gotten this far.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 2nd, 2012
9:33 am
St Simons: “The Romney campaign is running an ad in Florida that says Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez support Obama. The idea is to convince Floridians–especially Cuban-Americans–that Obama is buddy buddy with socialist dictators”
It’s absolutely hilarious, and so pathetic. Obama buddying up to Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez? Ha! Were that it were so. I’d love to see it someday! You’re about as likely to see Mitt Romney or Marco Rubio buddying up to them as Obama, of that you can be sure! What a joke.
straitroad
November 2nd, 2012
9:33 am
Finn and Misty, there has never in the history of this country been a federal bureaucracy created that has reduced red tape. There is zero evidence of this. We already have a Department of Commerce who’s mission is to promote economic growth and development. The talk of adding another cabinet department and put the term “business” in it is strictly a political ploy to attempt to shore up an area where the president is weak and his challenger is strong. That’s all this is about. It does nothing to improve our lagging employment.
GT
November 2nd, 2012
9:34 am
You have a party, in the Republicans, that positions itself on no news is good news. A one trick pony that has the same trick for every question, Eeyore the donkey, all is lost, cloudy skies and pain lots of pain in the forecast. A party that doesn’t create nor does it invite creativity into its circles. A candidate that shadows the policies of the man he is running against and repeats them like a parrot as being his. A party not hungry for the future, hoping for status quo, save our position as opposed to pushing the boundaries, not bringing in new blood with new ideas.
Estados Unidos de América
November 2nd, 2012
9:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IqkRbxcTA
The other half of your brain.
November 2nd, 2012
9:35 am
TOLD you Obama will win Floriduh, unless they cheat again.
St Simons, Floridas chads were counted twice by independent parties and Bush still won the state, Geeesh! get over it, your worse than Gore.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:35 am
His average over the last twelve months is 162,000. Although in the last 6 months he has only beaten the average this month
You’re looking at the initial number. The final revised number is 2 months into the future. So far, you’re wrong, since the revisions pushed up the previous month above average.
BuckeyeInGa
November 2nd, 2012
9:36 am
still looking for hope
November 2nd, 2012
9:22 am
Retail jobs for xmas. After being unemployed long term I finally have a 2 month temp job at Macys. I guess that gets counted in the numbers. Until I can get interviews for real jobs, it won’t feel like a recovery to me. (and yes, I have a college degree and experience-there are still several hundred people applying for every job opening)
I don’t know what you have a college degree consist of but the “I have a college degree” is often misleading. Your marketability definitely depends on what your college degree is in.
pete
November 2nd, 2012
9:36 am
WOW!!! You demwits have lost your minds. The unemployment numbers WENT UP, and somehow that is good news?!?! The September number was 7.8%. October is 7.9%. You combine 4 years of horrible economic policy, add to that the cover up in Benghazi, and you have to wonder how in the he11 can anyone in their right mind support this failure. And now you have an unfolding tragedy in NY and NJ, and Obama is back on the campaign trail. WOW…he is pathetic!
weetamoe
November 2nd, 2012
9:36 am
According to AP reports two days ago, Sept jobs reports were revised down to 88,000 with the accompanying good news boys and girls that the BLS has just introduced into their curriculum a new math that will be used to estimate Oct figures.So no surprises there. Also the Libyans failed to respond to calls for assistance during the Benghazi attack and anyway the CIA security team on the ground there made all the key decisions, so time to move along now. All is fine in Obama world.
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
‘is there any way for you to debate the issue at hand as opposed to attack the source mode? Guess not..’
Sure. Start with the question I posted earlier…
Do you think Fox has been responsible in the way they have handled the Benghazi story?
TaxPayer
November 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
The real job losses will not show up until the November jobs report is released since that is when the Republican billionaires will be forced to fire all their employees after Obama is re-elected.
I wonder who would suffer the most from such a lame threat, the employees or the employers. 
Steve
November 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
Nate Silver has Obama up to an 81% chance of winning now (electoral college). I know that chaps many folks #$%#s in here…but it’s the facts, folks.
bob
November 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
7.9% is as good as Obama can deliver. And every time the quarterly numbers are released they are then reduced a week later. But what do I know. Maybe someone can help me with something. We are told we need to increase taxes to generate more revenue. We have automatic tax increases on the way and democrats are complaining about the impending tax increases. Shouldn’t we welcome all the tax increases we can get along with forced military spending cuts ? Or is this a case of saying we need some people to get an increase while most do not ? Let the taxes go up and our economy will respond by generating jobs, isn’t that what we want ?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
T. Fallen — “…if Obama’s policies were truly working and we were in a full swing recover, we would see a signigicant and more importantly, constant REDUCTION of the unemployment rate. Not the fluctuation we are seeing now.”
Wrong. You’re displaying your innumeracy for all to see.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
Liberal Nightmare
November 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
“brain-dead lib-turd parasite masses”
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Oh you smooth talker!
cmac
November 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
Jobless rate goes UP!! & that is encouraging!!! Proof that liberals are idiots …. bye bye obozo!! Don’t let the door hit your wife’s big behind on the way out!
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
Stevie Ray, why are you, as a conservative, demanding that the government fix peoples’ problems?
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The cons idea of the governement fix peoples’ problems is to dismantle the governement and let the people fend for themselves.
Just as Romeny would dismantle FEMA. I hate to think what the result would have been in NY and NF without FEMA and without the other federal aid. – which the cons want to eliminate.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
November 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
ROBME is toast and is the CON ideology….LOL
ATL Tiger
November 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
“When Obama was handed this mess, he tried to fix it, without Congress’ help. It’s a miracle we’ve gotten this far.”
You mean when he had a supermajority in the House and one Senator away from a fillibuster proof Senate? Yeah he had almost no help!
bob
November 2nd, 2012
9:40 am
“Do you think Fox has been responsible in the way they have handled the Benghazi story?” Do you mean by showing Obama’s lame story about this being a demonstration that got out of hand due to a video being a total lie ?
Liberal Nightmare
November 2nd, 2012
9:40 am
“One would rise to the pinnacle of ignorance to not acknowledge the FACT that it was Republican policies that caused the great food stamp migration in the first place.”
Then you must be the god of ignorance beyond the pinnacle to make this statement. The economic collapse was a combination of policies from both sides which created a cooked derivatives market that was very short sighted by those on the left and right, and it didn’t start in the Bush era. I’ll simplify it for your simpleton government schooled mind….you loan money to those who can’t pay it back and you’re going to lose your arse. Look no further than Clayton County Georgia as a prime example of under lying reasons for the economic collapse (lack of personal responsibility).
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 2nd, 2012
9:40 am
Sept jobs reports were revised down to 88,000
You might be referring to the ADP payroll numbers, an independent survey by a private company. This is NOT a “jobs report”. I’ll bet you didn’t know that either.
Mary Elizabeth
November 2nd, 2012
9:41 am
The good news is that the unemployment rate ticked upward by .1% for October because 578,000 more people were out looking for jobs in October, than had been the case in previous months, because they believed that the the economy was improving enough that they actually had a chance of getting a job.
Drudge
November 2nd, 2012
9:41 am
So even though UE went back up to 7.9, you are looking at net jobs and seeing it as a win? Wow. Your cup is indeed 1/2 full – even if your cup doesn’t keep pace with population growth.
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:42 am
St Simons, Floridas chads were counted twice by independent parties and Bush still won the state, Geeesh! get over it, your worse than Gore.
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It was not the chads, it was the butterfly ballot that made, or would have made the difference. And there was no way to recount those.
But I agree. It’s time to get over it and move on.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 2nd, 2012
9:42 am
Oscar: “You mean why do they face reality”
No, that’s what I’m saying. Why do they accept other people’s words for what “reality” is. In the 1930s it would have been unthinkable that we would simply stand by and watch as millions of lives are destroyed from unemployment while corporations, fatter than ever, sit on trillions of $ in cash they don’t know what to do with while something like a quarter of all capital goods – shopfronts, store space, warehouses, equipment – simply sit idle.
The question liberals can’t answer is: what has really changed since Roosevelt’s 1930s? Have humans miraculous developed an immunity to needing a roof over their heads or food in their stomachs? What’s changed, really?
What’s changed of course is the power of big capital, which runs the show unchallenged like never before. And good liberals just accept it all without a peep, only claiming when challenged that they prefer to work within the confines of the “possible” as they call it. Whatever happened to challenging the conventional or mainstream version of what possible is?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
9:42 am
LORD
Missed that question..I think there is no doubt that FOX, as usual being anti Obama has as usual, reported unconfirmed reports…both sides (included BO out of the gate on this re to it’s a terror attack…no its a video..no its terror attack)…can only believe half from either side..
I’m not remotely the FOX news influenced person you think..just because I think the response to the people and the families of those killed is not acceptable, bears no relation to an affinity for FOX or any other outlet..they all are biased..
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
9:43 am
cmac
November 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
Jobless rate goes UP!! & that is encouraging!!! Proof that liberals are idiots …. bye bye obozo!! Don’t let the door hit your wife’s big behind on the way out!
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What a lady killer this guy is.
Aquitted?
willie lynch
November 2nd, 2012
9:43 am
WOW!!! You demwits have lost your minds. The unemployment numbers WENT UP, and somehow that is good news?!?! When he took office the number was 4.3%. when he left it was 7.9%. You combine 8 years of horrible economic policy, add to that the cover up in Abu Ghraib, and you have to wonder how in the hell can anyone in their right mind support this failure. And you have a tragedy in Louisiana (Katrina) and 9/11, and Bush got 8 years WOW…you’re pathetic!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 2nd, 2012
9:43 am
Well, these numbers are as fake as a $30 bill. I was at Countryland Golf Club Saturday and I never found a single tee on any of the par 3s. The Golf Tee Index says we’re in hard times.
Vote for Romney Tuesday for more jobs
in Chinaand better times.It’s cold out here folks and I’m hauling and lugging to try and get you ready to swap weird music tonight. Have a good Friday everybody and try and not step on anybody’s hands while you’re moving around in the bar tonight.
TaxPayer
November 2nd, 2012
9:44 am
Poor Republicans. They’re jealous of Obama. Obama has created an average of 157,000 jobs per month while the Republicans have created zero jobs since their 2010 jobs campaign.
The Fallen
November 2nd, 2012
9:44 am
I see….the “it’s all Bush’s fault” argument again. Even after 4 years, the Dems fail to take accountability for the economy, which was my original point. BTW, speaking of other nations, take a look across the pond and notice what is happening to the economies of the EU. What is the left’s response to that, not enough government control, not enough economic liberty? One EU country ranks in the top 10 of economic liberty rankings and it is a secondary economy, Ireland. And they have had their issues as well. BTW the US has dropped in the global economic liberty rankings since Obama has been in office and his track record is not going to get better. Pay Czars to regulate comp, condemned private wealth (”you didn’t build that”), called for wealth redistribution among other liberty inhibiting policies.
Steve
November 2nd, 2012
9:44 am
Nightmare – deregulation of banks and mortgage industry was a liberal thing? Really? The three trillion dollar wars and the Bush tax cuts were pushed by Liberals? You realize that most of our problems are tied to these issues.
cmac
November 2nd, 2012
9:45 am
I guess the awesome analysis by bookman simply overlooked the fact that over 12 million people are still out of work & that black (oops … African-American) unemployment is UP to 14.3% … ENCOURAGING!!!!
willie lynch
November 2nd, 2012
9:45 am
9:43 post was directed to pete. Is that short for peter?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 2nd, 2012
9:46 am
Williebkind — “Fox News leading cable tv news for 12 years running.”
Justin Bieber sells a lot of records, but that doesn’t make him better than Bach, Brahms or Beethoven.
oops
November 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/opinion/romney-vision-for-america/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
TaxPayer
November 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
Gas Prices:
$3.33 per gallon for Democrats
$6.00 per gallon for Republicans
Steve
November 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
The New York Times:
In the last assessment of the job market before the U.S. presidential election, the Labor Department announced that the nation’s employers added 171,000 jobs in October. The unemployment rate rose to 7.9 percent. The overall report showed persistent but modest improvement in the American economy.
What about adding 171,000 jobs is bad, when we were hemmorhaging jobs when BUsh left office?
DannyX
November 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
“According to AP reports two days ago, Sept jobs reports were revised down to 88,000 with the accompanying good news boys and girls that the BLS has just introduced into their curriculum a new math that will be used to estimate Oct figures.”
You better go back and do some reading Weetamoe! Those were NOT BLS revisions, they were revisions from ADP, a private company that tracks employment.
bob
November 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
Mary Elizabeth, did repubs block cash for caulkers, cash for clunkers, Dodd/Frank, the stimulus ?
Those were passed and were supposed to reduce unemployment to under 6% at this point. Please tell us what was in the jobs bill that was not in the stimulus bill.
St Simons
November 2nd, 2012
9:48 am
“It’s time to get over it and move on.”
Planet Earth woulld love to, fellers, but Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat
and the neocons wrecked it for 50 years, so its kinda hard, k?
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
9:49 am
Stevie Ray – ‘FOX, as usual being anti Obama has as usual, reported unconfirmed reports…’
But that is NOT my point!
Reporting ‘unconfirmed reports’ is sometimes OK as long as that is part of the reporting…FOX has created a narrative, embellished unconfirmed, cherry picked info to support that narrative and left out any mention of ‘unconfirmed’ in the process.
That goes WAY beyond reporting ‘unconfirmed reports.’ The fact that you are trying to put them into the ‘well, they all report unconfirmed reports’ equivocation further exposes your ‘independent’ facade…
Drudge
November 2nd, 2012
9:49 am
BTW – 7.9% is above what it was when he took office at 7.8%. He said he would get it under 5 in his first term. Also said he would cut deficit by 1/2…added 60% instead. This is what stagnation looks like. Improvements by deficit spending and printing money doesn’t mean anything is fixed. Fine raise taxes on the rich, but that doesn’t pay 4% of his deficit spending, let alone reduce the N debt one penny. What will it do? Well, you all are shining examples: it’s a war cry. This is what political activists do, find a common enemy to rally against. Every demagogue needs one…
JohnnyReb
November 2nd, 2012
9:50 am
I see Jay is still putting out smoke in final attempts to keep the base pumped up for Obama. However, there must be some sense of reality and reason creeping in as the piece is very short.
While any improvement in the jobs numbers is good news, anyone with two grey cells to rub together knows it is not anywhere near good enough to even off-set new people to the workforce. And, the real unemployment rate is close to 15%.
The numbers are also incredibly weak for the money Barry spent. Face it Moonbats. Barry and his policies are failures.
Vote Mitt !
Ben Shockley
November 2nd, 2012
9:51 am
Saw on TV this morning that the power company workers in New Jersey were trying to block the crews from Alabama from pitching in to restore power. Why? because the Alabama crews are non-union.
The stupidity of liberals is epic.
Oscar
November 2nd, 2012
9:51 am
Welcome to the Occupation
November 2nd, 2012
9:42 am
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Good points. But I think you answered your own question. The power of big capital – corporations and money – today. Part of that may be the power of television. Also the Super Pacs resulting from the Supreme Court decision that corporations can have unlimited contributions. Lot’s of factors make things different now.
But, there are a lot of people who don’t accept it and are trying to change it.
Another thing, more people don’t trust government now. They have seen a lot of waste. Most people in the western red states don’t want any government to speak of, and the south has its own reasons for not wanting to give the federal govt. power. (Remember the sixties)
Adam
November 2nd, 2012
9:51 am
COOKED NUMBERS!
SKEWED POLLS!
OBAMA HATES MERICKA!
WE *WON* ALL THREE DEBATES!
Reality is against you cons. Give up now.
bob
November 2nd, 2012
9:51 am
If Obama and his team are doing so well why is Obama telling us that we need a Secretary of Business ? Everybody knows that if you get the wealthy to pay 39% instead of 36% we would not have a trillion dollar a year debt, what would a sec of biz tell us that we don’t already know ?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 2nd, 2012
9:52 am
Straitroad — “Finn and Misty, there has never in the history of this country been a federal bureaucracy created that has reduced red tape.”
Wrong.
The FRC, back in the 1920s. In fact, business BEGGED the Federal government to do something to help.
Adam
November 2nd, 2012
9:53 am
By the way:
Where’s EJ Moosa?