The ban on politics from the pulpit all but gone now
Bishop Daniel Janky
Some of you may recall Bishop Daniel Jenky, head of a Catholic diocese in Illinois, who during Mass last April likened President Obama and Senate Democrats to Hitler and Stalin. He also asked God to “have mercy especially on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ.”
Now, on the eve of the election, Jenky has sent a message to every priest in his diocese, telling them that “By virtue of your vow of obedience to me as your bishop, I require that this letter be personally read by each celebrating priest at each Weekend Mass, November 3/4.”
The mandatory letter states:
Dear Catholic Believers,
Since the foundation of the American Republic and the adoption of the Bill of Rights, I do not think there has ever been a time more threatening to our religious liberty than the present. Neither the president of the United States nor the current majority of the Federal Senate have been willing to even consider the Catholic community’s grave objections to those HHS mandates that would require all Catholic institutions, exempting only our church buildings, to fund abortion, sterilization, and artificial contraception.
This assault upon our religious freedom is simply without precedent in the American political and legal system. Contrary to the guarantees embedded in the First Amendment, the HHS mandates attempt to now narrowly define and thereby drastically limit our traditional religious works. They grossly and intentionally intrude upon the deeply held moral convictions that have always guided our Catholic schools, hospitals, and other apostolic ministries.
Nearly two thousand years ago, after our Savior had been bound, beaten, scourged, mocked, and crowned with thorns, a pagan Roman procurator displayed Jesus to a hostile crowd by sarcastically declaring: ‘Behold your King.’ The mob roared back: We have no king but Caesar. Today, Catholic politicians, bureaucrats, and their electoral supporters who callously enable the destruction of innocent human life in the womb also thereby reject Jesus as their Lord. They are objectively guilty of grave sin.
For those who hope for salvation, no political loyalty can ever take precedence over loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ and to his Gospel of Life. God is not mocked, and as the Bible clearly teaches, after this passing instant of life on earth, God’s great mercy in time will give way to God’s perfect judgment in eternity.
I therefore call upon every practicing Catholic in this Diocese to vote. Be faithful to Christ and to your Catholic Faith. May God guide and protect his Holy Church, and may God bless America.
It is important to note that Jenky’s description is wrong or incomplete on several points. The health-insurance coverage requirement does not apply to churches or church employees involved in its religious mission. It applies only to any secular operation by the church, such as hospitals and universities, just as it would apply to any other business.
More importantly, the policy does not require coverage of abortion. It does require that policies include contraception methods that block implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb, which the church considers abortion.
Jenky is not alone in such statements. Nicholas DiMarzio, a Catholic bishop in New York, expressed similar sentiments last week, warning parishioners that “It is inconceivable to me how Catholics could support such policies. Indeed, Roman Catholics who support abortion rights and vote for a candidate because of those policies, place him/herself outside of the life of the church. In so doing, they also place themselves in moral danger.”
“Is it possible to vote for somebody despite their support for these policies?” DiMarzio asks. “To my mind, it stretches the imagination, especially when there is another option.”
Nor are such statements confined to the Catholic leadership. For example, the Rev. Randy Mickler, head pastor of Mount Bethel United Methodist Church in Marietta, touched on multiple political topics in his Oct. 21 sermon:
In his message, Mickler tells his congregation (9:20 in the posted video) directly accuses President Obama of showing “great hostility toward Christianity, and at times an encouragement toward Islam,” rattling off a long list of alleged such actions, many if not most factually questionable.
For example, Mickler claimed that in June of 2012, the Obama administration banned the use of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps emblems on Bibles to be distributed by the government to our troops. He did not mention that it did so under threat of a lawsuit by a group making the reasonable point that imprinting U.S. government symbols on Bibles could be interpreted as government approval. The Bibles are still being distributed, just as they always have been, but absent the military emblems.
‘I’m not telling you whom to vote for,” Mickler says. “I don’t think God cares who wins this election as much as he cares about how we reflect Christian integrity in a voting booth. It is ridiculous to think that we can divorce our faith from our actions and say, this is secular and this is sacred.”
He also tells the congregation that they face a quandary. “I’m not telling you to vote for the Mormon,” he says. “The Mormon is not a Christian. According to the National Council of Churches, that is a sect, not a religion.”
Technically, federal law still prohibits churches and other groups that enjoy tax-free nonprofit status from engaging in partisan politics. In practice, though, that law is seldom if ever enforced because the political cost of doing so would be prohibitive. And while I don’t have a major problem with that turn of events and accept it as inevitable, I think violating federal law was always one of the more minor risks that religious leaders take when they so flagrantly entangle their churches with the sordid world of partisan politics.
Once you step into that political world, the rules change significantly, and I’m not talking federal or state law.
UPDATE: I put this in comments below, but I’ll add it here as well:
It’s perfectly legitimate to question the mixing of politics and religion in the black church, although I think you also have to acknowledge how the tradition arose. For a long long time, going well back into slavery, the church was the only black institution through which the black political voice could be expressed, and black church leaders the only representatives that the white establishment respected. Separating church and state was not an option to a community allowed only a religious voice.
That said, it is impossible as a legal and practical matter — and as a matter of fairness — to allow that to continue in black churches while trying to enforce the pulpit/politics ban in other institutions. That’s in part why I wrote above that the ban is basically a dead letter from here on out.
– Jay Bookman
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lovelyliz
November 1st, 2012
2:12 pm
I say this as someone who was raised Catholic, if a bishop or any member of any tax-exempt church wants to endorse from the pulpit, let them, but the IRS had better send them a tax bill.
STEVIE RAY
November 1st, 2012
2:12 pm
Jay,
Did the Catholic church select UCLA colors in some sort of competition or is it random?
Anyhow, I’m beginning to wonder if we will ever see appropriate enforcement of separation of church and state? Good start would be to eliminate tax free status..
Brad Steel
November 1st, 2012
2:13 pm
…likened President Obama and Senate Democrats to Hitler and Stalin.
this begs the question: does Glenn Beck wear a funny hat?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
One of the reasons I am very selective about the churches I attend.
Jay
For the sake of being unbiased, you could have probably included the Black clergy instructing their congregations to skip voting altogether.
james
November 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
Of course, Bookman makes no mention of churches that preach politics from the pulpit from the left.
This articles is a good example:
“Errol Thompson, a Baptist pastor in Orlando’s black community, acknowledges that the excitement over Barack Obama becoming the first black U.S. president has cooled.
But with the Democratic president locked in a tight race against Republican challenger Mitt Romney, Thompson still expects voter turnout in Florida for the November 6 election to be equal to or greater than it was four years ago.
To make sure of that, he and other black church leaders across Florida are organizing a mass effort, dubbed “Souls to the Polls,” to get thousands of people in their flock to vote early – right after Sunday’s morning service.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/27/us-usa-campaign-florida-idUSBRE89Q0D720121027
Of course, Bookman’s double standards and cherry picking are to be expected. That is what partisan pundits do.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
November 1st, 2012
2:15 pm
God, Don’t get me started. How I loathe religions.
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
” if a bishop or any member of any tax-exempt church wants to endorse from the pulpit, let them, but the IRS had better send them a tax bill.”
AMEN!
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
Of course, Bookman makes no mention of churches that preach politics from the pulpit from the left.
If nothing else, some of the righties that post here are as predictable as a calendar.
Brad Steel
November 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
Looks like someone is gunning for the Patron Saint of Hyperbole canonization.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
Unhinged
Chapter 12.
“Separation of church and State” has been violated.
Peter
November 1st, 2012
2:20 pm
Yes……. But they Hid the facts many priests and other clergy were raping or fondling boys.
They also have hid the fact they have been caught laundering Mob money through the Vatican bank.
N-GA
November 1st, 2012
2:21 pm
The Church tells you how to vote! Your company tells you how to vote! America has morphed from a democracy to a theocorpocracy. Fascism by any other name is……
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
I’m sure you wrote a similar article about the rantings that took place in Jeremiah Wright’s church. Jay, what do you expect the church to do? It is under attack and I applaud the fact that they are taking a stand.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
Let them speak as freely as they want, but tax the h3ll out of them.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
5 Threatening Employers
4 GOP vote supressings
3 Koch brothers ad buying
2 Bishops ordering and
Obama winning the election
Peter
November 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
Here folks…read about the Vatican laundering Mob money……..
http://rt.com/news/vatican-mafia-laundering-money-716/
getalife
November 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
Looks like I picked the right time to quit the Catholic cult.
tm
November 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
I am sure that Jeremiah Wright is staying neutral in this election
STEVIE RAY
November 1st, 2012
2:24 pm
Seems many religious people do and will remain much more interested in doing well by the church than interested in who occupies the WH..based on what I see in my neck of the woods….huge very white churches…mega-style are most definitely directing votes away from BO…most likely moreso than supporting Romney..see, they preserve gay and women philosophies of the 14th century once in the “house” so to speak..
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 1st, 2012
2:24 pm
Straitroad – only in their minds are they under attack. They have to have something to be afraid of, to fear, to loath, and finally condemn. This how they keep people who won’t think for themselves in their so called houses of worship.
Chester
November 1st, 2012
2:24 pm
Hmm…I wonder how many child molesters the Bishop has protected over the years. If only the “church” was concerned about them.
no evidence, james....
November 1st, 2012
2:25 pm
james,
your point might be helped if you offered some actual evidence that there politics are preached from the left. but even the article to which you linked gives no examples of preachers directly or indirectly endorsing candidates. in other words:
you FAIL. try again.
maximum
November 1st, 2012
2:25 pm
Can’t help but question the reasoning ability of those who practice celibacy as a condition of employment.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
mitt is not change.
More gop disasters.
Our country can’t take another one.
tm
November 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
Enter your comments here
ATL Tiger
November 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
“Technically, federal law still prohibits churches and other groups that enjoy tax-free nonprofit status from engaging in partisan politics.”
We should also include public schools, public universities, unions (SEIU, AFL-CIO, Teachers Union) into that group as well. They certainly have had their share of partisan messages.
STEVIE RAY
November 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
WOW,
Rapes (that celebacy experiment didn’t work out too well), facism, theocorporatocracy (?), Hitler, Stalin, Mob money…and we’re not even halfway thru the first page…awesome..
I’d like to add rattlesnakes..
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall, that’s simply not true. I understand there are people such as yourself who’s God is government, but that doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to trample on someone else’s religious beliefs. The mandate is an intrusion on religious liberty.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
The ban on politics from the pulpit all but gone now
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and the taxes that they should now be FORCED to pay would make an excellent new revenue stream.
Oh and….left or right pulpit speech….tax the turkeys.
rightwingextreme
November 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
Jay, if you will recall U.S. History, the pulpit was an integral part of the American Revolution and the Abolition of Slavery. However, that all changed in 1954 thanks to one Lyndon Baines Johnson…btw you’ll notice voter fraud being committed by LBJ-D back then as well!
House Resolution 235 was designed to revise the IRS code to remove restrictions placed on churches and non-profit organizations in 1954 by then-Senator Lyndon Johnson. Prior to 1954, churches and non-profit organizations had no such restrictions on their freedom of speech or their right to speak out in favor or against political issues or candidates.
The history of Johnson’s IRS gag order is instructive. It began with what some historians believe to be a fraudulent election of Johnson to the Senate in 1948. It has been maintained by both conservative and liberal historians that Lyndon Johnson’s election to the Senate in 1948 was won by massive voter fraud. Known as “Landslide Lyndon,” this aspiring politician was “elected” by only 87 votes. His challenger, Coke Stevenson, challenged his election and presented credible evidence that hundreds of votes for Johnson had been faked. Johnson, however, was successful in blocking Stevenson’s effort by the clever use of “cooperative” court injunctions.
In 1954, Johnson was facing re-election to the Senate and was being aggressively opposed by two non-profit anti-Communist groups that were attacking Johnson’s liberal agenda. In retaliation, Johnson inserted language into the IRS code that prohibited non-profits, including churches, from endorsing or opposing candidates for political office. In effect, Senator Johnson used the power of the go-along Congress and the IRS to silence his opposition. Unfortunately, it worked. Some in Johnson’s staff claimed that Johnson never intended to go after churches, only the two “nonprofits” in Texas. Nevertheless, his sly amendment to the tax code affected every church in America, and it is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
The legislation proposed by Rep. Jones in the 109th Congress is designed to overturn Johnson’s vindictive gag order that now penalizes churches, churches that dare speak out against government policies and politicians that the churches may deem to be immoral or bad for America. There is no reason for this gag order to remain in effect, but Congress apparently thinks it must perpetuate bad public policy simply because it exists.
Organizations like Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, People For The American Way, and The American Civil Liberties Union continue to claim that this Johnson gag order must be upheld to protect “church/state separation.” This is irrational and fails to take into account the entire history of religious freedom in the United States.
Throughout our nation’s history-both before and after the American Revolution-our nation’s pastors freely spoke out on the political and moral issues of the day. It was their duty and their right under the Constitution to preach against immorality and corruption in the political and the moral realm. Historian James H. Hutson, writing in Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, notes: “Preachers seemed to vie with their brethren in other colonies in arousing their congregations against George III.” And, as Hutson discovered, the House of Representatives sponsored church services in its chambers for nearly 100 years. These services only ended when convenient transportation was available to take Members of Congress home for the weekend.
It is interesting to observe that our Founding Fathers and our first elected officials didn’t have any notion of “church/state separation,” so vehemently endorsed by Americans United and other modernist groups. Our Founders valued religion and wrote the First Amendment to protect the free expression of religious beliefs-and the freedom to speak out on the moral issues-including those involving politics and politicians.
james
November 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
Brosephus – Nice comeback. Doesn’t address the subject at hand, but at least you got to say “righties”. Hope the juvenile and vapid name calling made you feel better, and if so I am glad to have helped.
Ah, the “intellectual” left.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
ATL Tiger
Unions were freed thanks to Citizen’s United.
bob
November 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
Didn’t read the article, just figured from the headline you were talking about Joe Lowrey saying white people were going to hell why rallying N——-’s for Obama. I did find him using the N word offensive but he is old enough to get away with stepping on toes.
Dunwoody Granny
November 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
It’s time for churches to pay taxes along with everyone else. They used to be exempt largely because of the charity work they did, but these days there are many, many churches which don’t do any charity aside from evangelizing (and I, for one, consider that a marketing effort rather than a genuine help to the needy).
Brandt Hardin
November 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
If Obama loses this election, you can blame/thank the Right for bamboozling him. How is it ethical that an entire news network questions the President’s citizenship for four years to create doubt in voters while a fringe element of the far right demonizes and degrades him? Most of this is financed by the rich who want to keep their stranglehold on the flow of wealth in our country. Watch the white hands apply the Blackface to our first African-American President at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html
Jay
November 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
It’s perfectly legitimate to question the mixing of politics and religion in the black church, although I think you also have to acknowledge how the tradition arose. For a long long time, going well back into slavery, the church was the only black institution through which the black political voice could be expressed, and black church leaders the only representatives that the white establishment respected.
That said, it is impossible as a legal and practical matter — and as a matter of fairness — to allow that to continue in black churches while trying to enforce the pulpit/politics ban in other institutions. That’s in part why I wrote that the ban is basically a dead letter from here on out.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
james
I guess you failed to read that post of mine before yours, huh? There’s absolutely nothing juvenile about calling out crap, such as yours, for what it is. And, yes, I did address the subject at hand if you had read my first post. It actually saddens me to have to call out crap like yours, so no, I don’t feel better and you haven’t helped anything other than make yourself look like a partisaned fool.
Tealiban Party
November 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
The Bishop’s teachings are certainly not the Catholic views that I learned after 18 years of Catholic schooling.
The Bishop should be telling his parishoners not to vote or start a new party, because it seems the GOP’s views on the death penalty, gun control (a “pro-life” issue), and aiding the poor also seem to contradict Jesus’s teachings.
seabeau
November 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
Politics have always be at the forefront at black churches!
kayaker 71
November 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
And do you think for one New York minute that there have not been similar pleas on behalf of a black candidate in black churches all over the US. Can you spell Reverend Wright? At least most of these pleas from white churches have been on behalf of a religious beliefs and not racial in context. Another foray into cherry picking…. the usual Bookman ploy to paint a picture of those evil religious people expressing their opinion.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
Why should tax exempt companies be barred from practicing freedom of speech?
CJ
November 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
I’d like to see the law enforced. Bishops, priests, and preachers are able to say anything they want in the realm of politics, just like the rest of us. But if they choose to do so, then they and their employers should pay taxes, just like the rest of us.
These people are taking advantage of the laws to save money on taxes–leaving the rest of us to make up the difference–and then breaking them. Doesn’t seem very Christian to me.
fair and balanced
November 1st, 2012
2:36 pm
What would Ryan’s mentor, Ayn Rand say about all this?
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
2:36 pm
Brosephus, be careful with your name calling (”partisaned fool”) or Bookman will threaten to have you banned…
Thomas
November 1st, 2012
2:37 pm
below seems a little political- maybe time to take a can of lysol to extremes on both sides
Obama’s Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:37 pm
Jay
Back in the day, the Black Church didn’t directly engage in politics either. The Church itself was used to organize and mobilize the Black Community, but not to the extent to what’s going on today. I don’t like it nor do I condone it, regardless to who does it.
If you want to be religious, then be religious. This is, however, not a theocracy, and I don’t think religion should inject itself into politics just as politics should not inject itself into religion.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
2:38 pm
Tax the churches but also tax the PACs. Throw in union organizations if they do the same. As Paul Broun should say, “tax all the lies that come straight from the pits of hell.” Or something like that.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:39 pm
Brosephus, be careful with your name calling (”partisaned fool”) or Bookman will threaten to have you banned…
I did not call him a partisaned fool. I said that he’s making himself look like one. If I wanted to call him names, I would have done so.
ATL Tiger
November 1st, 2012
2:39 pm
“Unions were freed thanks to Citizen’s United.”
If a church is listed as a 501 c 3, wouldn’t the IRS have a difficult time arguing that corporations have a free speech right to endorse or oppose candidates, but churches don’t.
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
2:41 pm
Brosephus, you sure make a fine liberal. A typical liberal, but a fine one nonetheless.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
2:41 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
Of course, Bookman makes no mention of churches that preach politics from the pulpit from the left.
If nothing else, some of the righties that post here are as predictable as a calendar.
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And your comment was very predictable.
Cobbian
November 1st, 2012
2:42 pm
There have been other Catholic bishops who have written similar letters that priests are required to read from the pulpit on Sunday. Jenky’s is extreme, but only marginally more extreme than others.
There have also been priests who speak out and give another viewpoint. Very brave priests, like Fr. Richard Lawrence of St. Vincent de Paul of Baltimore. There are also articles in Catholic on-line mags that show a lively debate about the positions the bishops have taken and Church doctrine. Oh, the bishops speak with the voice of the Magisterium – the teaching authority of the Church. But Catholics have minds of their own and while we are required to listen, God gave us minds to think, and bishops are not the best theologians.
The Catholic Church has always had an uneasy relationship with democracy. They are making it worse.
Don't Tread
November 1st, 2012
2:42 pm
Nice double standard there…No mention at all of the black churches preaching on 0bama’s behalf (while you lefties simultaneously try to sell the idea that there’s “no such thing” as left-wing media bias).
The hypocrisy is thick today.
skipper
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Jay,
Good Lord….what about the black churches that have touted and spouted Obama?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
TAX ‘EM ALL!
indigo
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Nowhere in the Christian New Testament are church speakers commanded to preach on political matters. In fact, Christians are commanded to be “not of this world”.
Nowhere in the Christian New Testament(or Old Testament) is abortion even mentioned.
And yet, “men of God”, ignoring this, regularly inject politics and things not even mentioned in the Bible into their sermons.
I’ve never been able to understand why this is.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
james
I guess you failed to read that post of mine before yours, huh? There’s absolutely nothing juvenile about calling out crap, such as yours, for what it is. And, yes, I did address the subject at hand if you had read my first post. It actually saddens me to have to call out crap like yours, so no, I don’t feel better and you haven’t helped anything other than make yourself look like a partisaned fool.
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That sounds like a bunch of crap! lol
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Thomas
I will defend Rev Wright again,,,,
I condemn you for being so incredibly intellectually lazy that you would smear a man for a 30 second loop of tape rather than finding out anything about the context of the quote and the man himself.
Shame on you.
(Of course you may have thought the Tuskegee Experiment was simply a good first step)
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
“The Catholic Church has always had an uneasy relationship with democracy. They are making it worse”
the Catholic Church – like too many churches, of whatever religion – is a theocracy looking for an opportunity.
james
November 1st, 2012
2:44 pm
no evidence, james….
“even the article to which you linked gives no examples of preachers directly or indirectly endorsing candidates. in other words”
Please refer to paragraph seven:
“That – along with the opportunity to re-elect Obama, who many in the black community feel would not have been so stonewalled by Republicans in Congress if he were white – is what Thompson is counting on in his push for early voting.”
It states pretty clearly that Pastor Thompson is counting on “the opportunity to re-elect Obama”.
But if that is not good enough, how about this article titled “Black Pastors Meet in Va. to Discuss Support for Obama
“A group of black pastors in Virginia held a meeting to discuss how to encourage their congregations to vote for President Barack Obama.
Around two dozen clergy from various churches in the area met for two hours on Saturday in Chesapeake, discussing possible ideas for motivating support for Obama among their congregations. “We are concerned that many of our congregants are developing an aversion to supporting the president at the polls,” read the invite email, which was sent out last month.”
http://www.christianpost.com/news/black-pastors-meet-in-va-to-discuss-support-for-obama-81083/#rCwqMoSCGO3bkiDk.99
Ironically, it appears that Michelle Obama herself thinks that church is a great place for political activism and you can watch the video yourself:
“here is no better place than church to talk about political issues because they are ultimately moral issues, First Lady Michelle Obama told a church gathering on Thursday.
“To anyone who says that church is no place to talk about these issues, you tell them there is no place better – no place better,” Obama told the African Methodist Episcopal Church’s 49th general conference, held in in Nashville, Tenn.
“Because ultimately, these are not just political issues – they are moral issues,” she said. “They’re issues that have to do with human dignity and human potential, and the future we want for our kids and our grandkids.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/michelle-obama-theres-no-place-better-than-church-to-talk-about-political-issues/
Feel free to shout some more nonsense in caps, but you are wrong.
bookman parrot
November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Jay “falseness”,
When you start ripping into the lib political machine that is contained within the southern black church, then i might lend your ramblings some creedence. but until then, you are a hypocrite.
And as for a church stating their opinion on political matters, they still aren’t in the polling place with you, so your “point” is totally invalid.
And again you play sematics with church related “businesses” not wanting to go against moral objections. but in lib world, everything goes, including the opposing views right to do so.
you are the worst kind of hypocrite.
jconservative
November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
AJC – Oct. 10, 2012 – By Bill Rankin
“The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta has joined dozens of other religious institutions to have filed lawsuits seeking to overturn the so-called birth control mandate in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”
“Christ the King Catholic School, Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Atlanta and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Savannah are also plaintiffs in the litigation. It was filed against the Labor, Treasury and Health and Human Services departments.”
bob
November 1st, 2012
2:46 pm
If preachers preaching politics in the pulpit is bad, what about politicians that preach from the pulpit ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FlpbRFXC9E
You can’t keep a dem politician away from a black church close to election day.
seabeau
November 1st, 2012
2:46 pm
Mr. Obama has needed no help in making himself look bad! Either of his Fast and Furious Scandal or his instructions to the Justice Dept. not to proscute DOMA violation could insure impeachment proceedings. Libya is just the icing on the cake of his ineptness! Where were the Marines Mr. Obama???
Tom
November 1st, 2012
2:47 pm
I live in East Cobb and have had several encounters with Randy Mickler. He is totally insane. As well as an idiot: why anybody would care about the opinions of somebody as ignorant as him is beyond understanding.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:47 pm
Brosephus, you sure make a fine liberal. A typical liberal, but a fine one nonetheless.
I’ll keep your recommendation in mind if I ever decide to become a liberal.
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Moderate Line
I am who I am, so if you pay attention to what I say, I am quite easy to predict. What’s your point?
Don Abernethy
November 1st, 2012
2:48 pm
Most African American pastors push Obama from the pulpit.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
2:48 pm
Can someone with the patience of a saint please explain to some of the learning-disabled here that saying stuff like “Golly Darn America” isn’t partisan? Doesn’t endorse a candidate or party?
kthnx.
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
“Most African American pastors push Obama from the pulpit”
Got proof?
james
November 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
In case anyone missed it in the longer comment, here is Michelle Obama giving a vigorous defense of “politics from the pulpit” with accompanying video:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/michelle-obama-theres-no-place-better-than-church-to-talk-about-political-issues/
I suppose all of the folks bashing religion here will criticize her comments. Oh, who am I kidding. No they won’t
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
That sounds like a bunch of crap! lol
Coming from someone who obviously is quite familiar with crap, I’ll take that as a compliment.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
And my “james” @ 2.49, do you not recognize that one can speak of political issues without endorsing a specific candidate or party?
Excuses
November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
“Most African American pastors push Obama from the pulpit.”
And you have heard on tv, radio and in person how many of these preachers to make the extrapolation to “most”?
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
“I suppose all of the folks bashing religion here will criticize her comments”
Bashing the people who profess to be of a given religion is not bashing the religion.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:52 pm
So, what’s the deal with the focus on the Black Church all of a sudden? Are y’all afraid to deal with your own demons and feel more comfortable pointing out the faults of others?
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
2:52 pm
Most African American pastors push Obama from the pulpit.
And you know this how? Your constant attendance in numerous African-American churches?
File that post under “paranoid talking out his butt.”
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
2:53 pm
(Of course you may have thought the Tuskegee Experiment was simply a good first step)
for the record, that’s pretty much my default presumption of those morons who continue to bring up Wright in twenty freakin’ twelve.
The guy stepped down from his pastorship nearly four years ago, fercryinoutloud.
CJ
November 1st, 2012
2:53 pm
“Why should tax exempt companies be barred from practicing freedom of speech?”
To be clear, tax exempt organizations have freedom of speech, and when it comes to political issues (e.g., abortion and contraception), they take full advantage of such freedoms.
However, to achieve tax-exempt status, such organizations made a choice not to endorse or advocate on behalf of individual politicians or political parties. They made that choice in exchange for avoiding taxes that the rest of us have to pay. In other words, they’re getting a financial benefit not available to others in exchange, in part, for staying out elections.
Why? Because otherwise, all taxpayers would be subsidizing institutions that are directly involved in elections, whether or not we agree with the persons or parties that those institutions are politicking on behalf of. I don’t want to subsidize a Methodist preacher politicking for Mitt Romney any more than others want to subsidize a Catholic nun politicking for President Obama (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/05/catholic-nun-brings-her-star-power-to-dnc/).
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:53 pm
Most African American pastors push Obama from the pulpit.
http://www.kait8.com/story/19572911/black-clergy-across-country-discouraging-congregations-from-voting
MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) – Ministers across the country are stirring up controversy after telling members of their congregations not to vote for President Barack Obama because he supports gay marriage.
President Obama’s recent stance on same-sex marriage is creating a lot of controversy amongst some clergy. Now, many of them may consider staying home come November.
According to the Associated Press, some black clergy may not want to vote for a presidential candidate who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their parishioners to stay home on Election Day.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
In case anyone missed it in the longer comment, here is Michelle Obama giving a vigorous defense of “politics from the pulpit” with accompanying video:
[...]
I suppose all of the folks bashing religion here will criticize her comments. Oh, who am I kidding. No they won’t
In case you missed it I said, “TAX ‘EM ALL!”
I suppose you will now acknowledge that I posted that before your silly rant. Oh, who am I kidding. No you wont.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
That sounds like a bunch of crap! lol
Coming from someone who obviously is quite familiar with crap, I’ll take that as a compliment.
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Snappy!
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
“Are y’all afraid to deal with your own demons and feel more comfortable pointing out the faults of others?”
Easy answer…Yes
JohnnyReb
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
I see Jay is still supporting and believing the ridiculous lie from the Obama administration that insurance paid for by Catholic churches is not really paying for contraceptives and abortions.
Thus the term, Moonbat.
Goldie
November 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
These so-called religious leaders have a few screws loose — and no wonder the wingnut pro-fetus supporters have such a difficult time connecting to the real world.
And I wonder how many of these same preachers and priests stood up for the “sanctity of life” when it came time for their guy Dubya to invade Iraq and slaughter so many civilians in that country, all because they lived on top of all that oil!
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
Make the charlatans and snake oil salesmen put up or shut up.
Either way, America wins.
Sadly, Christianity has gone down the toilet. And the list of TV perverts and radio conmen who wear $3000 Italian suits and hide their disgusting ideology of hatred and intolerance behind the pulpits is damn near endless now.
Particularity here in Dixie where the southern Baptist churches absolutely fed the KKK and other White Power organizations with members. And still do…
james
November 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
Doggone –
“Got proof?”
How about this poll from Pew Research, which is as non-partisan as it gets:
“Black Protestants are far more likely than white Protestants or Catholics to say they are hearing about the candidates and the importance of voting, and the messages they are hearing overwhelmingly favor Barack Obama.”
“Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) black Protestant churchgoers say their clergy have spoken out about the importance of voting, compared with about half of white evangelical Protestant (52%) and white Catholic (46%) churchgoers. ”
Black Protestants are twice as likely as churchgoers overall to be hearing about the candidates at church. Among regular churchgoers, four-in-ten (40%) black Protestants say their clergy have spoken directly about the candidates, compared with 17% of white Catholics, 12% of white evangelicals and just 5% of white mainline Protestants.”
Pretty funny. Even though more than three times as many black Protestant say they have heard about the candidates from their clergy than Catholics, Bookman focuses on the Catholics. It is almost as if he is cherry picking facts to support his personal political views
CJ
November 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
insurance paid for by Catholic churches is not really paying for contraceptives and abortions
You’re confusing churches with hospitals. To be clear, a hospital is not a church, regardless of who owns it.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
Bishop Jenky — “Today, Catholic politicians, bureaucrats, and their electoral supporters who callously enable the destruction of innocent human life in the womb also thereby reject Jesus as their Lord. They are objectively guilty of grave sin.”
Just so you know, Bishop, as an atheist, I do not sin. I am immune to it and invulnerable to it. What you believe to be sin simply does not exist for or to me.
Or, as my wife puts it, it’s YOUR hell, so YOU go there.
Goldie
November 1st, 2012
2:58 pm
Why should churches receive a tax-exempt status any more???
JohnnyReb
November 1st, 2012
2:58 pm
And BTW, I can’t find a polite word to describe anyone who believes Obama set in Jeremiah’s church for 20 years, embraced him into the family yet does not believe that which Jeremiah preaches.
james
November 1st, 2012
2:58 pm
Kamchak – Believe it or not, the conversation does not rotate around your grunting in caps and there are other folks here besides you. I know it is crazy to believe either of those facts, but please excuse me.
Mick
November 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
I’m glad I’m a retired catholic…they need to focus on; why is that there is such a worldwide problem with priests and young boys??? Not isolated incidents but worldwide, stay the hell out of politics or just go to hell…
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
2:52 pm
So, what’s the deal with the focus on the Black Church all of a sudden? Are y’all afraid to deal with your own demons and feel more comfortable pointing out the faults of others?
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That sounds like a bunch of crap. I believe people are simply pointing out that black churches have been poltically active and no one on the left has said anything.
STEVIE RAY
November 1st, 2012
3:00 pm
JAY
Now look what you did…you stirred up all the pent-up race baiting:-)
Guess you didn’t anticipate that eh?
I often wonder if Obama loses will we see violence in the streets? With all the bullhorning of the race thingy (color and class) it concerns me..especially when many are banging the race drum harder the closer to the election we get..
james
November 1st, 2012
3:00 pm
Brosephus – You do understand the difference between “most” and “some”, right?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:00 pm
Let’s see…
US Catholic population = 68 million
US Black Baptist population = 10 million
Yet, the focus here is on a group that’s 1 out of every 30 people in this country while completely ignoring the group that’s 1 out of every 5. This is some truly comical crap at how some of y’all get bent out of shape over a group that makes up 16% of the entire population of the US.
Are y’all really that afraid of Black people?
curious
November 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
Totally impractical for Obama to attempt, but after Romney is elected, there needs to be serious discussion about the tax exemption status of churches.
Someone earlier today commented on Rev lowery’s Mercedes. he didn’t get that by being a humble preacher. Just like Rev Graham and his son in the family business.
JohnnyReb
November 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
CJ – I see you drank the cool-aide. If the hospital is run by Catholics, it’s a Catholic hospital. Don’t be a lemming.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
“The ban on politics from the pulpit all but gone now”
Amen, Hallelujah, Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition !!!
Luke Chapter 13:
“31At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. (King) Herod (the civil political ruler of Jerusalem) wants to kill you.”
32He replied, “Go tell that FOX (emphasis added), ‘I will drive out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ ”
Translation:
Civil authorities mind your own business !!!
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
TAX ‘EM ALL!
and University endowments as well
STEVIE RAY
November 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
BRO
Beware of the craptrap!
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
J-Reb @ 2.58, I daresay you know nothing of what Wright preached, other than that “GEE DEE ‘Merka” clip you fox “news” addicts watched on an endless loop for a week or three back in March 2008.
But if you have no kind words for me for pointing that out, I guess I can live with it.
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
“Black Protestants are far more likely than white Protestants or Catholics”
That does not say MOST
“Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) black Protestant churchgoers say their clergy have spoken out about the importance of voting”
That does not constitute partisan politics
“Black Protestants are twice as likely as churchgoers overall to be hearing about the candidates at church”
This is too vague to justify your assertion
“and the messages they are hearing overwhelmingly favor Barack Obama”
Without an exhaustive study of what was actually said, this is too dependent on the parishioners understanding…it does not constitute proof that the preacher was engaging in partisan politics.
Try again.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
Moderate Line
As predictable as I am, you should have seen that one coming. After all, you did seem to be able to predict my comments earlier.
Mick
November 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
**Are y’all really that afraid of Black people?**
No, they just think they’re superior to them…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
“That’s in part why I wrote that the ban is basically a dead letter from here on out.”
And that’s why the IRS is so fearful of bringing a case. They know the Supreme Court will rule against them.
catlady
November 1st, 2012
3:03 pm
I agree about letting pastors have their say, but they should pay the taxman!
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
3:03 pm
especially when many are banging the race drum harder the closer to the election we get..
I just got a forwarded e-mail from a crazy relative titled “early Christmas present.” It’s a photoshopped picture of Obama shining Sarah Palin’s shoes.
I kid you not.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
3:03 pm
straitroad — “I understand there are people such as yourself who’s God is government, but that doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to trample on someone else’s religious beliefs. The mandate is an intrusion on religious liberty.”
No, it’s not, and it’s already been so found at the SCOTUS level. Jay posted earlier this year about a SCOTUS decision — written by Justice Scalia, no less — that held that *general* provisions, generally applied, cannot be held to be impositions on religious insitututions just because those provisions just happen to brush up against sensitive parts of those institutions’ doctrine.
In other words, if it applies to *everyone* equally, then religious groups or institutions don’t have any right to expect to be exempted.
Rebar
November 1st, 2012
3:03 pm
I guess the Catholic Church forgot what Jesus said, “Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s”
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
3:04 pm
This is where I lay out my usual challenge to anyone to back up the claims that the Trinity United Church of Christ is or was “racist” and/or preached hatred of white folks.
This is where we start hearin’ crickets, other than perhaps a few pathetic heaves in the “but but Liberation Theology” direction.
james
November 1st, 2012
3:04 pm
“So, what’s the deal with the focus on the Black Church all of a sudden? ”
It is no different than Jay’s focus on the Catholic Church. Is it because he can not face his “own demons and feels more comfortable pointing out the faults of others”? Or is this just another silly double standard.
The focus on black churches has is not about race. Instead, the focus is because, as the above Pew poll demonstrates, discussion of the candidates is three more time prevalent among black churches than the Catholic churches that are the subject of Jay’s ire. As usual, the race card is a weak hand.
no evidence, james....
November 1st, 2012
3:04 pm
james. encouraging voting is not endorsing a candidate. and since when was michelle obama ordained?
FAIL AGAIN. try again. but remember, three strikes and you are out.
Fedup
November 1st, 2012
3:05 pm
Thanks Granny you stole my thunder. Everybody should pay taxes at the same level. No exception. Raise Mitt’s taxes to over 30% that laggered. I am not one of those 47%.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
3:05 pm
james — Believe it or not, I am advocating taxing all churches, despite “Michelle Obama giving a vigorous defense of ‘politics from the pulpit’”. I duly note that you have failed to acknowledge my advocacy. I know it is crazy to believe either of those facts, but please excuse me.
STEVIE RAY
November 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
AG
That’s nuts…did you see the MOVEON and M Moore video with the line “…we gonna burn this thing down”…its a hilarious well made video but after it sinks in….kinda disconcerting..
Sarah Palin would have made a great cheerleader during my college days at UGA…we liked them attractive and stupid…
Religion, Politics and Greed
November 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
Now is the time to tax ALL churches and religious institutions.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
That sounds like a bunch of crap. I believe people are simply pointing out that black churches have been poltically active and no one on the left has said anything.
Again, thanks for the compliment.
While you believe people are pointing out one thing, I see them as doing something they always do here. When Jay points out something, the M.O. is to deflect to the “Timmy did it too.” defense while never even once acknowledging one’s own shortcomings.
The Black Church used to be the unifying group for the Black Community, but that’s not the case anymore. Years ago, y’all would have had a valid point. Today, however, that defense reeks of deflection. The Black Church does not have the influence now that it had years ago. But, continue to be mislead by looking into the past as opposed to living in the present.
—————
You do understand the difference between “most” and “some”, right?
I do, but you might wanna help your fellow rightie out as he obviously doesn’t know the difference.
Cobbian
November 1st, 2012
3:09 pm
The Catholic Church operates hospitals and universities in countries all over the globe. And in those countries in Europe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, many South American countries, they operate as Catholic institutions inside of countries where birth control is part of the national health care policy. In the U.S. they operate many hospitals and universities that still offer contraceptives in health insurance. The very Catholic Philippines is close to voting to include contraceptives in their health care system.
Those Catholic hospitals and universities are just as Catholic today as they were the day before whatever country they reside in implemented health care coverage for contraceptives. The Catholic hospitals and universities in the Philippines will still be Catholic hospitals if the country provides contraceptives in health care laws.
The compromise on how to define a “religious employer” has already been made. And that compromise allows a group of people who come together for purpose of their faith, to practice their faith, to be allowed to treat each other in ways that are not in conformance with the laws of the country. It is defined narrowly and tightly because those who participate give up legal rights. The government compromised on equal protection under the law by allowing a group of people to agree to give up civil rights in order to practice their faith.
The situation of those who work for Catholic hospitals and universities is not the same. Peole who work for these institutions come together to practice their professions: doctors, nurses, accountants, professors, secretaries, food service workers. They are for their professional skills. In the U.S. they include about 1 million people who are Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu. The reason for their coming together is not to live by the rules of a certain faith.
This is another place in which faith and democracy do not meet. But what is being asked is for the government to allow a faith institution to impose faith beliefs on people who work for them. In effect, the government relinquishes the citizenship of these people to a faith organization. In effect, the government “establishes” the right of that faith group to impose tenets of the faith on those who work for them.
What the HHS regulations do is about what it needs to do. It is not anti-Catholic or anti-religion. But it is very much pro-democracy.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:09 pm
Rebar:
See my 3:01
Li'l Aynie
November 1st, 2012
3:10 pm
Has anyone noticed that religious “leaders” pattern themselves after God, instead of Jesus?
Jesus extolled the poor and the meek, instead of pandering to the high and mighty. He criticized the behavior of no one except the hypocritical Pharisees. He didn’t exhort Caesar to restrict alcohol, and ban gay rights, contraception, and abortion. He didn’t dwell in marble palaces in Rome or ostentatious McMansions in Dallas and Atlanta. He didn’t prance about in bejeweled robes, adorn his hands with fancy rings, or cover his head with crowns and bejeweled hats .
Jesus dressed in a robe and sandals. He associated with the common people. He went about doing good.
American religious “leaders” are the latter-day Pharisees!
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
3:10 pm
CJ
November 1st, 2012
2:53 pm
“Why should tax exempt companies be barred from practicing freedom of speech?”
To be clear, tax exempt organizations have freedom of speech, and when it comes to political issues (e.g., abortion and contraception), they take full advantage of such freedoms.
However, to achieve tax-exempt status, such organizations made a choice not to endorse or advocate on behalf of individual politicians or political parties. They made that choice in exchange for avoiding taxes that the rest of us have to pay. In other words, they’re getting a financial benefit not available to others in exchange, in part, for staying out elections.
Why? Because otherwise, all taxpayers would be subsidizing institutions that are directly involved in elections, whether or not we agree with the persons or parties that those institutions are politicking on behalf of. I don’t want to subsidize a Methodist preacher politicking for Mitt Romney any more than others want to subsidize a Catholic nun politicking for President Obama
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If we eliminated people who were be subsidized by the government we would start with for profit companies who receive contracts from the government, people who receive money from government programs, and people whose taxes go up or down are able to be in politics.
Based on that there would be no one else vote.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
Fedup – Thanks Granny you stole my thunder. Everybody should pay taxes at the same level. No exception. Raise Mitt’s taxes to over 30% that laggered. I am not one of those 47%.
who pays 30%?
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
And Republican politicians need to be taxed for their efforts to spread the sermons through legislation. Keep the faith-based science confined within the church walls or in the pits of hell. In fact, lock up Paul Broun.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:12 pm
Get real !
It hasn’t just been black churches but liberal white churches (mostly Protestant) who have been spewing political speech from their pulpits for decades.
Now conservative churches decide to do the same thing and libs. start whining.
Tsk, tsk, tsk !
Mick
November 1st, 2012
3:12 pm
Li’l Aynie
Yes, good points…
Welcome to your occupation
November 1st, 2012
3:12 pm
Looks like another big endorsement snagged by the Kenyan socialist. This time by Bloomberg, citing climate change and Sandy.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Instead, the focus is because, as the above Pew poll demonstrates, discussion of the candidates
In case you are historically challenged, what group do you think was behind the organization of the push to get the right to vote extended to Blacks? Of course, there will be mentioning of politics in the Black Church, but mentioning politics is not campaigning, is it?
As usual, the race card is a weak hand.
Well, why on God’s Green Earth did you smack it down on the table with the FIFTH post of the thread? That you would call the race card weak after you’ve been riding it like Bill Elliott qualifying at Talladega is funny as hell.
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Jay, your topic is spot on today. From CSB Atlanta today:
FORSYTH, Ga. (CBS Atlanta) — The reverend who gave the benediction during President Barack Obama’s inauguration said America is “going to hell,” and white people may go with it.
Rev. Joseph Lowery, 91, made the comments at St. James Baptist Church in Forsyth, Ga., as part of a Southern Christian Leadership Conference tour to encourage African-Americans to vote for Obama, according to the Monroe County Reporter.
The paper reports that Lowery apparently told parishioners in the crowd that he is back to believing that all white people will not get into heaven because of what’s been happening during the campaign
joe
November 1st, 2012
3:16 pm
Finally!!!! Once the MSM chose to throw out the rule books on neutrality, the churches, synagogues, etc should have the same carte blanche to use their outlets to inform their flocks on what our liberal socialist/marxist/communist “leaders” are up to. More power to them!!!
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:16 pm
who pays 30%?
When looking at all taxes, pretty much everyone does. With exceptions, of course.
But here is really the only tax graph you need: It’s total tax burden by income group. And as you’ll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren’t paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.
That’s really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/total-tax-bill-income.jpg
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
3:16 pm
its a hilarious well made video but after it sinks in….kinda disconcerting..
The part about watching us every time we have sex…Republicans ought to demand that air in school sex ed classes. It might even slow rutting teens down.
Tom
November 1st, 2012
3:17 pm
Lowery is a senile old fool. But so is Billy Graham. Both of them should just shut up finally.
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
3:19 pm
Free speech aint free (as we can plainly see in the SuperPAC fueled orgy of excess called the Presidential election…) Tax the lying snake and all of the Catholic church.
My parents stopped going to the Catholic church they have attended for decades recently after the monsignor told his flock “they couldn’t possibly understand Obamacare and it’s ramifications and they were to listen to the church for guidance on it”. My Mom is a RABID catholic, she is/was a big time contributor and she still sends yearly donations to a group of nuns up north and funds a scholarship for a catholic school where she grew up.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
3:19 pm
Oh, and the poor guy whose photo was ripped off for the racist Obama shoeshine e-mail isn’t too happy.
Warning: image not safe for anyone outside the KKK
http://digital-photo.com.au/gallery3/index.php/Journalism/Obama-Shines-Palin-Shoes-unauthorised-plagiarism-1
Religion, Politics and Greed
November 1st, 2012
3:19 pm
bookman parrot
November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Have you EVER attended worship services at a Black church?
deegee
November 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
I happen to live in the John Birch territory of the northern suburbs of Atlanta. I am finding it harder and harder to find a Catholic church that isn’t offensive to me and my husband. We are traveling about 20 miles in one direction to attend mass in a diverse community that has so far stayed out of the fray of political discourse. The catholic bishops and archbishops should concentrate on making sure that 100% of their faithful live by their rules and leave the non-Catholics and the government out of their crusade.
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
“Finally!!!! Once the MSM chose to throw out the rule books on neutrality, the churches, synagogues, etc should have the same carte blanche to use their outlets to inform their flocks on what our liberal socialist/marxist/communist “leaders” are up to. More power to them!!!”
MSM pays taxes… so should the church.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
It hasn’t just been black churches but liberal white churches (mostly Protestant)
Kindly provide examples of these churches who have endorsed candidates or political parties, in violation of their tax-exempt status.
Because (for about the thirtieth time, here) that is the issue. Not political speech itself, which was never the issue.
ragnar danneskjold
November 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
I cannot conceive of any intelligent reason the churches should not be able to address ethical issues, or lapses, arising from government policies. That democrats will be the primary object of scorn by the church-goers is not the fault of the church-goers.
King of Wishful Thinking
November 1st, 2012
3:22 pm
Did the bishop forgot to put in the letter that God does not reside in Heaven, but instead he lives on the planet Kolob. Sheesh!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
3:22 pm
Aquagirl — “Republicans ought to demand that air in school sex ed classes. It might even slow rutting teens down.”
Some kids might enjoy that and say to themselves “I could make a hotter clip than that.”
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
November 1st, 2012
3:25 pm
Just had a thought. maybe a good compromise would be to say it’s OK to lower taxes on the rich, if churches can be taxed….I could live with that.
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
3:25 pm
“This is where we start hearin’ crickets, other than perhaps a few pathetic heaves in the “but but Liberation Theology” direction”
And they DO NOT want to hear about the white members of that church
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
3:26 pm
Bro, I saw that article not too long ago, if it’s the same one…it combines state, fed, payroll, corporate, and sales taxes…before deductions and credits…so yeah we all do in different proportions…I assume (maybe wrongly) that the point was on Fed tax….I’m @20% fed
If not Fedup should be happy that in the end we all pay the same rate..even the 1% and no adjustment is required
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
3:26 pm
Tom, you’ve never heard Graham say anything that even remotely approaches what Lowery says.
Misty Fyed
November 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Typical libs…anyone who has a moral or two should not be allowed to participate in political discourse.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Some kids might enjoy that and say to themselves “I could make a hotter clip than that.”
Please excuse me while I run away screaming.
deegee
November 1st, 2012
3:28 pm
ragnar, the church should always be able to address ethical issues or lapses, but what are you trying to say, “The government made me do it?”
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
3:28 pm
Doggone/GA, I don’t doubt that there are white members in that church. There are self-loathers throughout society who feel the need to excercise their ginned up guilt. This board is a perfect example.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Typical libs…anyone who has a moral or two should not be allowed to participate in political discourse.
When you have to lie to make a point, you really have no point.
TN_Realist
November 1st, 2012
3:30 pm
If you cannot grasp the signifcance of the absolute need to separate State and Church from the comments of these church leaders then a therocracy is your view of goverment. I am a life long Methodist and the remarks and positions put forth scare the hell out of me!
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:31 pm
EC
That’s the article. I have no earthly idea of what my effective tax rate is. I don’t even worry about. As long as I still have a job that requires me to pay taxes, I’m happy as hell. Given how big of a bullseye fed workers have painted on their backs, I worry more about keeping my job than what taxes I pay. I agree with you on being happy that we all pay about the same. I wish many more would educate themselves to see that point.
josef
November 1st, 2012
3:32 pm
Funny. to me anyway, that we’d be getting a Catholic bash when we’ve got a good Methodist minister here at home telling us white folks we’re all going to hell anyway… get real and show some consistency.
And as per last p.m. Being old don’t get you no free pass.
But being fair here. the “senile old coot” Billy Graham changed his negative stance. The “senile old coot” Joseph Lowery went back to his negative stance.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
3:32 pm
M. Fyed — “Typical libs…anyone who has a moral or two should not be allowed to participate in political discourse.”
I haven’t seen anyone here say that the Bishop should be silenced, but I have seen quite a few advocate that his church should be paying taxes.
Do your morals say anything on the subject of bearing false witness, perhaps?
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
“There are self-loathers throughout society who feel the need to excercise their ginned up guilt”
And you can prove that the white members of that church are self-loathers, right? I just SURE you can…you being such a paragon of truth and all that. So show your proof.
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
I say, let them screech.
The American people grow tired of this. They are hanging themselves.
I live in a house with 4 women, of this generation and the next. I by god
hope they try to tell women (especially the next generation) what they
can & can’t medically do with their own bodies. In 10 years, they’ll
be having their convention in an airport bathroom stall.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
Li’l Aynie :
See my 3:01 where Jesus took on King Herod.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
Well, it’s just not right to keep us from mixing politics in with church services. Back when we had a real pastor—the Rev. Jim Bob Buice—he’d stand in the pulpit and read right from the Bible to condemn librul Democrat beleifs. He even brought buses to the church and gave folks a lift to the polls. Then the godless libruls framed him by putting this nekkid boy in some bushes and grabbing the Rev. Jim Bob when he just happened to walk by. They sent him to prison and when he got out they said state law wouldn’t allow him to preach anyplace there was people under 21. That’s how anti-God the librul Democrats are.
Now we got the Rev. Postlewaite and when it comes to standing up for what’s right in politics he’s got the spine of a jellyfish. He’s so mealy-mouthed he won’t even mention political races when he preaches. I wish they’d hide a nekkid boy in some bushes and arrest him when he walks by. Then we’d be able to find a real preacher.
Anyhow, you won’t find any God-fearing Christian voting for Obama—other than Those People that want their welfare checks and food stamps to keep coming—and that’s a fact.
Even the Rev. Billy Graham is too chicken to come right out and tell people to vote for Romney. He sends out this big letter and tells people to vote for the canadate that has Christian beleifs and respects the right to life and all that, like we’re too dumb to know he wants us to vote for Romney but won’t tell us to.
I say good White Christians across this country need preachers that will cut loose on this Socialist Muslim Kenyan. And if you don’t beleive that, why, you’re nothing but a Richard head. I say that in a Christian way, of course.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
LUCIFER
November 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
I’m right up there with “Normal Free” on this one. I too loathe institutionalized religious. These manmade philosophies subjugate entire societies to their whims and mandates. Remove the threat of “God” punishing you in the so-called “afterlife” with fire and brimstone unless you vote for Romney and you can see how silly this is. Remember it was the Catholic Clowns from yesteryear who kept Galileo imprisoned because his “Earth revolves around the sun” discovery conflicted with the teachings of the church. And, it was the Catholic Clowns who covered up the fact that some of their esteemed fellow clegymen liked to dittle young boys. If you do not believe in the supernatural you cannot be intimidated by it. These clowns feeding their congregations this tripe about who to vote for SHOULD put them in direct conflict with the IRS.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
Jay
I think your next thread just wrote itself….
http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?objectid=BD2B64EB-C29C-7CA2-F83198E3B4EF0938
Leadership Needed
But we can’t do it alone. We need leadership from the White House – and over the past four years, President Barack Obama has taken major steps to reduce our carbon consumption, including setting higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars and trucks. His administration also has adopted tighter controls on mercury emissions, which will help to close the dirtiest coal power plants (an effort I have supported through my philanthropy), which are estimated to kill 13,000 Americans a year.
Mitt Romney, too, has a history of tackling climate change. As governor of Massachusetts, he signed on to a regional cap-and-trade plan designed to reduce carbon emissions 10 percent below 1990 levels. “The benefits (of that plan) will be long-lasting and enormous – benefits to our health, our economy, our quality of life, our very landscape. These are actions we can and must take now, if we are to have `no regrets’ when we transfer our temporary stewardship of this Earth to the next generation,” he wrote at the time.
He couldn’t have been more right. But since then, he has reversed course, abandoning the very cap-and-trade program he once supported. This issue is too important. We need determined leadership at the national level to move the nation and the world forward.
I believe Mitt Romney is a good and decent man, and he would bring valuable business experience to the Oval Office. He understands that America was built on the promise of equal opportunity, not equal results. In the past he has also taken sensible positions on immigration, illegal guns, abortion rights and health care. But he has reversed course on all of them, and is even running against the health-care model he signed into law in Massachusetts.
If the 1994 or 2003 version of Mitt Romney were running for president, I may well have voted for him because, like so many other independents, I have found the past four years to be, in a word, disappointing.
rightwingextreme
November 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
indigo….nice selective quoting of scripture…i’ve responsed as below.
November 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Nowhere in the Christian New Testament are church speakers commanded to preach on political matters. In fact, Christians are commanded to be “not of this world”. If you were of the world, the world would love his own; but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Nowhere in the Christian New Testament(or Old Testament) is abortion even mentioned. How about Thou shalt not murder from the 10 commandments? The New Testament speaks on several occasions of murderers not entering into Heaven. Mark.10.19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’ ”
And yet, “men of God”, ignoring this, regularly inject politics and things not even mentioned in the Bible into their sermons.
I’ve never been able to understand why this is.
I hope this helps.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
Closing paragraph from my linkee…
Presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan both found success while their parties were out of power in Congress – and President Obama can, too. If he listens to people on both sides of the aisle, and builds the trust of moderates, he can fulfill the hope he inspired four years ago and lead our country toward a better future for my children and yours. And that’s why I will be voting for him.
Adam
November 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
Well this thread must just have Fred blowing a gasket
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
3:38 pm
Bro
The thing in the article that I didn’t realize (or really care to research) was how the state tax was regressive as income went up and the fed was progressive….but in the end everyone paid @ the same percent of income….I’m sure there is more to the story n the details
Adam
November 1st, 2012
3:39 pm
I am sure many of the Catholic faith see this is nonsense and will not heed their Bishop. Which eventually begs the question as to whether or not they will remain Catholic.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:39 pm
“An exit poll of Americans who voted absentee in Israel finds Republican nominee Mitt Romney beating President Obama by a significant margin, 85 percent to 14 percent.”
http://freebeacon.com/post/34763328405/poll-of-absentee-voters-in-israel-finds-overwhelming
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
3:39 pm
R. Convert — “And if you don’t beleive that, why, you’re nothing but a Richard head.”
I know that I have ‘arrived’ on Jay’s board now that Redneck Convert has appropriated one of my euphemisms for his own use.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
Which eventually begs the question as to whether or not they will remain Catholic.
or, alternatively, to poop in the woods.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
One of the reasons I am very selective about the churches I attend.
Me too.
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
Doggone/GA, lighten up there, fella. No, I can’t prove that. That’s just my general observation from living and working among people. I didn’t intend to get you riled up. I just see things as they are. If I sit somewhere and take abuse from someone and don’t do anything about it, then I must have low self esteem or some sort of self loathing problem. That’s all I’m saying.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
SfD — “or, alternatively, to poop in the woods.”
Is a bear Catholic?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
EC
I think it’s because the state tax and other taxes are all earned income based. When you get into the higher income levels, they come less from earned income and more from dividends, carried interest, and other things that are not subjected to payroll or state taxes.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
This Air Force general will be great for the next Benghazi incident:
“Report: 27 Cadets Injured in Brawl at U.S. Air Force Academy”
“The article noted that the new Commandant of Cadets Brig. Gen. Greg Lengyel also found the brawl unacceptable, although — as Born noted in her email — he might be amenable to allowing cadets to keep some version of the tradition if they presented him a proposal for how it could be executed with “good order and discipline and proper risk management.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/report-27-cadets-injured-brawl-us-air-force-academy
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
JHM @ 3:42
Get out of my head!!!!
indigo
November 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
ragnar danneskjold – “I cannot concieve of any intelligent reason the churches should not be able to address ethical issues, or lapses, arising from Government policies”.
Maybe it’s because The New Testament does NOT endorse this kind of behavior from church leaders. Speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.
josef
November 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
“…now that Redneck Convert has appropriated one of my euphemisms for his own use”
I guess that puts you in the Du-k-sha-nee clique, too, eh?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
Leno: ‘Hurricane Sandy Has Already Created More Jobs Than Obama Has’
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
Headline: “Two-thirds of jobs go to immigrants during Obama’s four years”
“Two-thirds of those who have found employment under President Obama are immigrants, both legal and illegal, according to an analysis that suggests immigration has soaked up a large portion of what little job growth there has been over the past three years.”
Read more: Two-thirds of jobs go to immigrants during Obama’s four years – Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/31/two-thirds-of-jobs-go-to-immigrants/#.UJJd2_E9JXQ.mailto#ixzz2B0BmD5TR
Joseph
November 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
Poor poor Jay… At no time in the letter you presents did the Bishop tell you who to vote for. He’s simply pointing out what Obama and his party believe in on social issues. Baby killing and homo marriage. If you agree with them on it you should vote for the dem…
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
“No, I can’t prove that”
Maybe, then, you should investigate projection.
“I just see things as they are”
Ok, which is the lie: you see things as they ARE *or* you can’t prove those white members are self-loathers? Both statements CANNOT be true.
“If I sit somewhere and take abuse from someone and don’t do anything about it, then I must have low self esteem or some sort of self loathing problem”
But since you are not a member of that church, you ALSO cannot prove that’s what was happening.
Or to you REALLY find it hard to grasp that those white members give the LIE to those who denigrate that preacher – who isn’t even associated with that church anymore – on the basis of ONE 10 second sound bite?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
Obama Inauguration Preacher: ‘America Going To Hell In A Handbasket’…
drudgey spam
Fred ™
November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
Sweet Jay, I guess I just got the Christian bashing started early today. Nice that you give them a forum now. No need for me to even try to catch up on the posts or follow any more.
The damn shame is that the hurricane took out all the Call of Duty: Black Ops game servers so I can’t even do that. Still being sick I can’t take a walk……… hmmmmmm I wonder if Yahoo still has online games like Chess?
AmericaShrugged
November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
Seems like the same people who don’t want to enforce the laws against illegal aliens invading our country want the churches to pay taxes. The same people who want ot ban the death penalty for convicted murderers and rapists but want to kill millions of the innocent unborn because they are an inconvenience to the mother. The stupid, the immoral, the Democrazies!!!
Adam
November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
The so called broken glass “fallacy” is about to blow a hole in the unemployment numbers, thanks to now required STIMULUS to rebuild houses, infrastructure, etc for millions of Americans.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
“Tom, you’ve never heard Graham say anything that even remotely approaches what Lowery says.
Google Billy Graham, Nixon and Jews.
curious
November 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
Billy Graham’s group removed Mormonism from their “cult” list.
What prompted that?
HDB
November 1st, 2012
3:49 pm
Here’s the question I have (and I know someone will accuse me of race-baiting…but….):
The majority of the states, including GEORGIA, passed laws that required insurance companies to cover contraception as a part of women’s health care, but the outcry didn’t occur until the President wanted to put that option in the Affordable Care Act; where was the outcry from the churches…particulalry the Catholic Church, when Governors…predominately white Governors….passed such legislation??
sam
November 1st, 2012
3:49 pm
lets be honest, are there any people more divorced from the reality of life in this current century than priests or bishops? focus on charity work and forget the contraceptive bs. if polled secretly i would day 90% of catholics would agree that this has no meaning to them at all. i’d be in that 90%
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
“where was the outcry from the churches…particulalry the Catholic Church, when Governors…predominately white Governors….passed such legislation??”
Been asked many times already…never answered with anything that came close to making any sense
Jay
November 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Kamchak, don’t go there. Post has been pulled.
josef
November 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
FRED
Amen to that…this is a really classic one for the books on deflection…I came in and saw this topic and showed it to Unmentionable…he nearly fell out laughing.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
Headline: “Two-thirds of jobs go to immigrants during Obama’s four years”
I thought that we were suffering because there were no jobs being created?
Matti
November 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Indeed. TAX THE CHURCHES. Eliminate the deficit, pay down the national debt. Tax them all.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Jay
OK, sorry.
Adam
November 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
HDB: Apparently there was a loophole. As long as the charities “self insure” under state law, they can be exempted from having to provide birth control.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
That sounds like a bunch of crap. I believe people are simply pointing out that black churches have been poltically active and no one on the left has said anything.
Again, thanks for the compliment.
While you believe people are pointing out one thing, I see them as doing something they always do here. When Jay points out something, the M.O. is to deflect to the “Timmy did it too.” defense while never even once acknowledging one’s own shortcomings.
The Black Church used to be the unifying group for the Black Community, but that’s not the case anymore. Years ago, y’all would have had a valid point. Today, however, that defense reeks of deflection. The Black Church does not have the influence now that it had years ago. But, continue to be mislead by looking into the past as opposed to living in the present.
+++++
I believe that the people who are bringing up the black churches are merely showing how the people on the left are hypocritical when attacking churches.
Saying it is a deflection is a deflection from the charge of hypocrisy. As I always say don’t throw a stone if you don’t want stones thrown at you.
I think accusation of Timmy did it to does not dismiss the apparent hypocrisy.
I felt like what black churches did was great. Also, I believe the anti-slavery movement was more or less a religious movement so I have no problem with religion getting involved with politics.
Adam
November 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Doggone: Apparently there was a loophole. As long as the charities “self insure” under state law, they can be exempted from having to provide birth control.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Fred
You are #1 on the blame list for this thread!!!!
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Scout
Is this the organization who did that polling in the article you listed? If so, you think they have an agenda…… to say the least?
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=288476
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
Enter your comments here
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
3:56 pm
“Doggone: Apparently there was a loophole. As long as the charities “self insure” under state law, they can be exempted from having to provide birth control.”
The whole issue came up during the Sandra Fluke episode. The church that runs the school she attends provided insurance to their staff and teachers that provided birth control pills. Her complaint was that they refused to ALSO provide it to the students. And THEN they tried to claim “religious objections”
Yeah, right.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:57 pm
You think the New York Times has an agenda ……. to say the least ?
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
3:57 pm
Jay, I stand corrected. And I give you credit for pulling Kam’s post. I thought you only reserved that for us “cons”. Have a good evening.
Verbal Kint
November 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
I heard in a second Obama term, we’ll get a ‘Secretary of Business’. Isn’t that what the Secretary of Commerce is?? Seriously? I hope this is a one term president because if that’s the best he’s got…
josef
November 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
The pulpit has been used for centuries to damn and demonize those not like the congregants…what Lowery said could have just as easily been from thousands of pulpits across Europe just a few decades back. Verbatim. Just change “white people” to “Jews.” The same for the tailibanists now. And on and on…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
What ?
Kammie pulled ?
Oh, the horror !
The ban on politics from the pulpit all but gone now – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) | Best News Feed - Daily News Magazine
November 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
I believe that the people who are bringing up the black churches are merely showing how the people on the left are hypocritical when attacking churches.
If that is the case, as it’s always explained here, when are those who are claiming hypocrisy ever going to address the mess in their front yard before whining about the neighbor’s messy yard?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A3-5&version=NKJV
Matthew 7:3-5
“3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
All I’m asking, and pointing out, is that Jay’s called a hypocrite 7 days a week, yet very few on the Right ever own up to their own shortcomings. I have seen more on the left acknowledge theirs here as opposed to those on the right. Granted, this is a left-leaning blog and most righties come here in full battle gear and in attack mode.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
I thought you only reserved that for us “cons”.
I’ve had at least a dozen posts pulled.
Geez….
Nancy
November 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
Lucifer: “If you don’t believe in the supernatural you can’t be intimidated by it.”
I just think your quote is golden. It really defines FAITH. Brilliant!!
weetamoe
November 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
Eliminate all non-profits–including churches.
Criticism of churches on secular grounds–such as political campaigning–is warranted, but deriding traditions and articles of faith smells of bigotry. I have been ridiculed for fasting during holy days and I know bright young seminarians to whom celibacy is not a deal breaker when it comes to one’s vocation.
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
There seems to be a lot of googling of bible verses going on right now. Jay, you may have inadvertently saved a lost soul with this thread.
INDY
November 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
In listening to the entire clip, Rev. Mickler’s arguments seemed to be that the label of Christian applied to a politician him/her. He sees evidence of hostility towards Christianity in the President’s actions (like Jay, I think some of these deserve a much fuller context). He notes that Romney’s faith is not uniformly viewed as a Christian denomination (but instead a sect) based on some of its core tenets. And he challenges Christians to be wary of trying to convince themselves that what’s sacred and secular can be easily parsed. Perhaps it’s not the most eloquently expressed, but hardly anything new there in the realm of a pastor challenging a Christian congregation.
He seems to be identifying the perils of complete separation of church and state, but his focus is more on how this happens in the mind of the individual than on endorsements from the pulpit. If you think that church and state can be cleanly separated, you likely find fault with his approach. If you think separation is more complex and not necessarily clean, you at least understand the idea even if you don’t identify with the Christian perspective in which it’s cast.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
Are y’all really that afraid of Black people?
That would be a resounding yes!
Today’s southern, white “Christian” males are more terrified of blacks than ever.
Just read this forum for proof.
The Rebs can no longer keep those people in their place, nor can they keep them from voting. Like the used to. Though tthey can still call them uppity, right Mr. Westmoreland?
Thus the cons hate liberals and other people of conscience and reason for helping minorities gain their rightful place in American society.
THIS explains why the cons are 90%+ white.
And why white Jews and other groups of whites cannot stand these American fascists in today’s GOP…
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
Scout
No need for deflection. You posted an article in some effort to prove a point. It took all of 15 seconds for me to find information that the organization was a Republican backed organization and no the “non partisan” org they attempt to sell themselves as.
You like to “call them like you see them”. Apparently you did not “see” who conducted the poll and my guess is that you didn’t care. It meet your narrative and you ran with it
straitroad
November 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
I’ve had at least a dozen posts pulled.
Geez….
You should get a coupon or some sort of recognition for that accomplishment!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
And for the record, the post of mine that Jay just pulled has only words that
Josephmike has used here many times.ragnar danneskjold
November 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
Der Deegee @ 3:28, no, quite the opposite, the government “forbids” me from doing it. Regulation of free speech – against anyone, even crazy leftist college professors – is a slippery slope we should avoid.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
4:04 pm
straitroad — “There seems to be a lot of googling of bible verses going on right now. Jay, you may have inadvertently saved a lost soul with this thread.”
Critical reading skills should protect against that.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
4:04 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
EC
I think it’s because the state tax and other taxes are all earned income based. When you get into the higher income levels, they come less from earned income and more from dividends, carried interest, and other things that are not subjected to payroll or state taxes.
+++++
Here is something I thnk you would find interesting.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
I hate liars, hypocrites, and people who take advantage of people who care about them
unknown
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
You think the Washington Post has an agenda ……. to say the least ?
paulo977
November 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Did Bloomberg just endorse Obama? …….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
“And for the record, the post of mine that Jay just pulled has only words that Joseph mike has used here many times.”
Oooops! Kammie is claiming bias.
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Scout
Did I post either or you just being a baby again?
When I do post one of those two let me know.
Thanks
Sandy
November 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
These religious leaders can do and say what they want to and the people will also do and say what they want to. The people are not robots doing the bidding of the leaders.
Just because someone makes a suggestion or develops an intellectual argument does not mean that people will automatically drop their own ideas and beliefs and agree with these leaders. The people in the USA are more afraid of what you say than what you do it appears to me.
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
And here comes ZamVet with his own bigotries on show…I’m telling you, Southerners are statistically superior to their northern cousins in that most important category known to mankind…
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Mod – Here is something I think you would find interesting.
ya think?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 1st, 2012
4:07 pm
I’ve never had a post pulled for here…is that like a badge of honor?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
Moderate Line
That’s the post that started the conversation. When all taxes are accounted for, most income groups pay close to the same percentages. Only when the fed income tax is discussed on it’s own does it seem that the well to do are getting hit over the head more than others. The fed rates are used to level out the effects of all taxes to ensure we all have equal skin in the game overall.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
S. Ray — “I’ve never had a post pulled for here…is that like a badge of honor?”
It’s kind of like a Purple Heart. You got so worked up about something that one of your posts crossed the line of acceptability, so Jay shot it dead.
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
STEVIE
Is it a badge of honor? You betcha!
Matti
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
josef @ 4:06,
Thank-you notes?
Adam
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
Stevie Ray: I had one pulled once. It was me laughing at a zombie apocalypse video game that took place in Fox News headquarters.
And I STILL think it’s funny. BOOM.
ragnar danneskjold
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
Dear Indigo @ 3:44, agree, except that you and I probably disagree on the breadth of issues addressed by the Bible.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
…is that like a badge of honor?
That badge is reserved for those getting a one day ban red card.
AmericaShrugged
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
Thanks Jamvet for another stupid, biased post. Now please tell us what explains why 95%+ of blacks are lib/Dems?
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
Scout
From your beloved Fox News……………………
Glad I could assist. Don’t mention it. Any time, buddy.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/09/why-american-jews-will-stick-with-tradition-on-election-day/
Peace
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
Jay @ 2:33
Nice try. Probably very uncomfortable with both left feet in your mouth.
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
“You got so worked up about something that one of your posts crossed the line of acceptability”
Either that or you just turned around and called somebody not put in moderation what they called you.
Adam
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
Now please tell us what explains why 95%+ of blacks are lib/Dems?
Policy
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
paulo
Yep…
Jay
November 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
I do what I can, straitroad. :>)
Georgia
November 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
Election Issue #1: Mission Creep. (Romnission Creep). The separation of Islam and Christianity is the issue, because the two are Geo-Theo-Socio mirrors of each other. Both religions combine the civic duty (geo-political) with the Theo-Socio (define evil and attack) duty. That’s why there was mission creep in Iraq and Afghanistan. We kept honing the mission to conform with some sort of presumed righteousness pulled out of each other’s butts.
and there’s no way to remove our flag from the Temple Mount. Iraq was a sacrilege too far. Admit we’re at war, America. Romney? Come on. Declare the war three months before you take office.
Peter
November 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
Li’l Aynie . You mean Jesus didn’t adorn himself with GOLD like the church does ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
Sport !
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!
Tennessee Williams
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
what a principled stand by the dude in the big hat, mon.
but if he don’t refuse all the medicare, VA and Tricare reimbursements,
then he’s a big fat ol’ hypocrite.
“those hypocrites…” — that Jesus dude, he didn’t like em
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
Matti…
Well, yeah, sorta!
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
I believe that the people who are bringing up the black churches are merely showing how the people on the left are hypocritical when attacking churches.
If that is the case, as it’s always explained here, when are those who are claiming hypocrisy ever going to address the mess in their front yard before whining about the neighbor’s messy yard?
All I’m asking, and pointing out, is that Jay’s called a hypocrite 7 days a week, yet very few on the Right ever own up to their own shortcomings. I have seen more on the left acknowledge theirs here as opposed to those on the right. Granted, this is a left-leaning blog and most righties come here in full battle gear and in attack mode.
++++
I think you have a legitimate point. However, I think Jay could probably deflect some of the charges of hypocrisy by bringing up the failings of the left. John Stewart is on the left but he attacks the hypocrisy of both sides.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
Either that or you just turned around and called somebody not put in moderation what they called you.
In just about every sport, it’s always the retaliation that is called out and not the initial blow.
Adam
November 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
“Broad brush” is what I say when I am a statistical outlier and have no other defense against what the majority of my party thinks
-Erwin
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
” ……… and they brought Him gifts of gold frankincense and myrrh.”
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
That badge is reserved for those getting a one day ban red card.
I haven’t gotten that medal yet, though I’ve seen posts go into moderation because of language, tone, etc..
—————
Now please tell us what explains why 95%+ of blacks are lib/Dems?
History and ideology
Matti
November 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
Scout @ 4:13,
Did Mary write thank-you notes?
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
4:15 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
Moderate Line
That’s the post that started the conversation. When all taxes are accounted for, most income groups pay close to the same percentages. Only when the fed income tax is discussed on it’s own does it seem that the well to do are getting hit over the head more than others. The fed rates are used to level out the effects of all taxes to ensure we all have equal skin in the game overall.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
The funny thing is the 80-99 are the ones getting hosed by the 1%.
Glenn
November 1st, 2012
4:15 pm
Newt Gingrich & Sean Hannity are Catholic . Neither of those guys has a shot at heaven . Funny I never have known priests to chose or rate sins before this article . Good read .
detritusUSA
November 1st, 2012
4:16 pm
I must add that the Billy Graham organization recently proclaimed that Mormons are no longer on their list of cults. Conveniently just prior to the election so all the church goers could vote for a non-christian with a clear conscience.
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:16 pm
K’CHAK
I keep forgetting that blogging is a contact sport…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
4:17 pm
In a way ……….. yes:
Luke Chapter 1:
46 And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.
51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.
54 He has helped his servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful
55 to Abraham and his descendants forever,
just as he promised our ancestors.”
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
4:17 pm
Adam
….there is a formula that determines what is and isn’t an outlier..
Who said that anyway?…
cloudodust
November 1st, 2012
4:17 pm
I just know the good Rev. Wright got the same ink from this blog…Just know it. And then comes the good Rev. Lowery. The same good Rev that while walking the streets of Atlanta during the Rodney King stampede had a white photographer with him that became a ‘victim’ of said rage and the good Rev didn’t try to stop the mob. His words to the photog was, “I can’t help you.”…Look it up.
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
Matti
Well, yes, “thank you Balthazar. Ya can nevuh have enough myrrh!”
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
Moderate Line
Jay has gone off on the left before. It’s not a standard practice though, but he has been critical of the left. I would expect that more if he carried a national audience, but as a newspaper opinionist, I don’t expect him to go that route very often. That’s just me though, and one of the reasons why I frequent left and right blogs and sites.
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:19 pm
cloudodust
Don’t agree with you very often, but @ 4:17…yep.
Adam
November 1st, 2012
4:19 pm
“Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.””
Matthew 19:21-24
Adam
November 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
Who said that anyway?…
Your OWNER
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
Moderate Line
The funny thing is the 80-99 are the ones getting hosed by the 1%.
That’s what happens when you don’t pay attention. It also helps to be able to afford a politician or two.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
4:21 pm
The damn shame is that the hurricane took out all the Call of Duty: Black Ops game servers so I can’t even do that. Still being sick I can’t take a walk……… hmmmmmm I wonder if Yahoo still has online games like Chess?
You can still play Poker Stars online for free. And their servers are overseas.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
4:23 pm
A. Shrugged — “Thanks Jamvet for another stupid, biased post. Now please tell us what explains why 95%+ of blacks are lib/Dems?”
It’s in the contract.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
MODERATE LINE
I read Kleins article and can’t dispute but I think he neglected the one of the key issues (none of the rhetoric about “fair share”, as far as I know, are referencing anything other than federal taxes), which is the proportion of the total tax burden which is ridiculously skewed toward the top 20% pay 80% of the taxes…I acknowledge all the facts that this same group controls most of the booty…
The trend line on which income group pays the burden of federal tax has trended toward the top 20% paying more and more of the total tax burden…for example, In 1980, for example, the top 5 percent of income earners paid only 37 percent of all income taxes. Today, the top 1 percent pay that proportion, and the top 5 percent pay a whopping 57 percent.
I think this is one of the problems “rich” folks have but I think the more important concern is that our government wastes a pile of it…theoretically, one could argue that the amount we spend beyond what we take in is a case in point…the current proposal to increase taxes on those 1%’ers (technically 550K and up) will bring in 80 billion a year..its’ already been spent..
Quite a puzzle
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 1st, 2012
4:25 pm
Adam:
Good verses and true:
By the way, “eye of the needle” in all probability was the name given to the very small entrance that many walled cities had at that time. All of the main gates would be closed at night for safety but a very small gate/opening that could be easily defended might be left open for travelers, etc. A small camel might even be able to pass through the opening rather than having to be left outside ………. a difficult but not impossible happening.
barking frog
November 1st, 2012
4:25 pm
Congress shall make no law..
includes tax law. It’s about time
religions stood up and said it is
the government that is restricted
not the religions.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
Adam
Is that an actual Schrodinger quote?…or was I once name jacked and not know it…or too drunk to remember………..if it’s the latter it’s a remarkable response given my condition
seriously, I never wrote that …that I recall
Jack
November 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
I never thought I’d hear anyone defend Rev Wright: Proves to me that liberals are pretty desperate.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 1st, 2012
4:27 pm
JOE,
Great perspective on the underpinings of the “red card”…I know I get worked up sometimes..
ADAM
Not completely understanding your Fox red card experience…can you elaborate?
Williebkind
November 1st, 2012
4:27 pm
Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the ‘wall of separation between church and state,’ therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.”
― Thomas Jefferson
For the love of humanity I do not get what liberals get out of this. It does not mean anything that Jay and the far left cry out.
The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
― James Madison
Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end–where all men and all churches are treated as equal–where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice–where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind–and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.
John F. Kennedy
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 1st, 2012
4:28 pm
ERWIN
So does the cat die or what?
gadem
November 1st, 2012
4:29 pm
So the Catholic bishop would rather vote for a cult member as opposed to a Christian? What GOD does that bishop serve?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 1st, 2012
4:30 pm
Can someone who feels that religion should not be separated from state…or better, what constitutes such a breach?
ad
November 1st, 2012
4:30 pm
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
4:32 pm
B. Frog — “Congress shall make no law..
includes tax law.”
FWIW, Congress has made PLENTY of laws that impact directly on the First Amendment, and the SCOTUS has upheld them in quite a few decisions.
“It’s about time
religions stood up and said it is
the government that is restricted
not the religions.”
Religions also don’t have any *rights* under the Constitution. The Constitution addresses the Federal Government, the governments of the States and We, The People. T’ain’t nothing in there about what a religion’s allowed to do or what rights it might have.
Williebkind
November 1st, 2012
4:32 pm
All seperation of church and state means in any context is that the U.S. cannot have a state-sponsored church that all of its citizens are forced to be a part of. The keyword here is forced! I do have a right to be a christain on federal property, state property or anywhere I travel across the great country.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
S. Ray — “So does the cat die or what?”
It was alive when I last looked in the box.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
Stevie…ya got to open the box to find out…I’d prefer you didn’t
it’s a metaphor of my political leanings (cat both dead and alive at the same time)..I’m mostly conservative, but have my liberal tendencies….not until I take a position will I know which.
I haven’t associated with a party in years, but was an R…until they left me
ad
November 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
I like how Christians trot out that the “eye of the needle” is a reference to the entrance of a city. I mean, every other phrase in the Bible is absolute truth – no room for interpretation at all. The world was created in 6 days, Adam was the first man, water was turned into wine, but, when it came to the “eye of the needle” the Bible went all metaphorical. Cherry pickin’ at its best.
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
4:35 pm
gadem
Who is a cult member?
Williebkind
November 1st, 2012
4:35 pm
It is idiotic to believe the values and ideals of religion, especially one that is the choice majority of this country now and at its inception, can’t contribute to the way that the country deals with its own citizens and people abroad.
AmericaShrugged
November 1st, 2012
4:35 pm
The answer is more like civil rights and welfare, the LBJ legacy….” African Americans’ attitudes could
be described as anti-war, evangelical, with a strong concern about civil rights. They
were suspicious of trendy political ideas and environmental concerns. They
note that although the social issues highlighted in the election such as abortion and
gay marriage were important to African Americans, they were not issues central to
African Americans as a group. Instead, the Democratic Party itself was associated
with progressive causes, like welfare, that were perceived to be of more central
importance to African Americans.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:36 pm
I do have a right to be a christain[sic] on federal property, state property or anywhere I travel across the great country.
But you don’t have a right to force you (C)hristianity upon those who do not share your belief system.
cloudodust
November 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
josef—Thx.
Williebkind
November 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
“eye of the needle”
do you know what it means? Do you know what it is referencing? Google camel trough.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
The least one should expect from a preacher’s sermon on a politically motivated topic is more honesty than that delivered by Mitt.
Williebkind
November 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:36 pm
You sure dont!
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
4:38 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
3:00 pm
Let’s see…
US Catholic population = 68 million
US Black Baptist population = 10 million
Are y’all really that afraid of Black people?
————————————————————————————
I’m more afraid of Catholics, specially the penguins LOL
I still carry the scars
You back at your Race Baiting I see you are a Master at it so I guess that makes you what?
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:38 pm
FROG
“It’s about time
religions stood up and said it is
the government that is restricted
not the religions.”
Yep.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
4:38 pm
Now please tell us what explains why 95%+ of blacks are lib/Dems?
For the umpteenth time this year?
Are you one of those particularly dense Randians?
LOL!
(Hint, read up on fascism.)
Williebkind
November 1st, 2012
4:39 pm
Just because you dont believe does it means it has to be abandoned altogether. But it is because the morals taught by the bible conflict with progressive liberal morals and agendas.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:40 pm
NoCom
Bite me!!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
4:40 pm
Williebkind — “It is idiotic to believe the values and ideals of religion, especially one that is the choice majority of this country now and at its inception, can’t contribute to the way that the country deals with its own citizens and people abroad.”
Contribute, yes. Control or dictate, no.
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
4:40 pm
ad
You will find that this blog as some of the finest “cherry pickers” in the land when it comes to Bible verses and interpretation……….
The finest in the land; hands down.
clem
November 1st, 2012
4:42 pm
lets see bloomberg and the Economist are endorsing O
from economist: Mr Romney has an economic plan that works only if you don’t believe most of what he says. And for all his shortcomings, Mr Obama has dragged America’s economy back from the brink of disaster and has made a decent fist of foreign policy. Thus, The Economist says “this newspaper would stick with the devil it knows, and re-elect him.”
Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/11/01/The-Economist-Endorses-Obama%20in%20The%202012-Election.aspx#64kEKd5wi37eYmKs.99
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:44 pm
You sure dont!
What???
¿Qué?
ماذا?
To co?
Что такое?
کیا?
何？
מה?
是什么?
क्या होगा?
ad
November 1st, 2012
4:44 pm
Willie – I’d like to see how you sew something up if you’re dragging your thread through a camel gate. Now, “eye of the needle” could be a phrase used, metaphorically, for a camel entrance, but, if it’s a metaphor, then how many other things in the Bible don’t need to be taken literally?
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:47 pm
williebekind
“But it is because the morals taught by the bible conflict with progressive liberal morals and agendas.”
Just for the record, the Bible is where I got my morals and is a, if not the, guide for my agendas….
Jefferson
November 1st, 2012
4:48 pm
willie is full.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
Bro
Try this
क्या एक डुबकी थूक
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
BOTH
@ 4:40
Yep.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:51 pm
NoCom
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
4:51 pm
I lookd up camel trough and came up with these gems LOL
http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php?term=Camel%20Trough&defid=3516817
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
josef
Your all time favorite
हो गयी चाटुकार
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
Just for the record, the Bible is where I got my morals
The good ones as well as the bad ones? They’re all there, right.
jd
November 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
Alas — the anti-christ can convince the minister that politics is the church’s mission – and we find ministers spreading lies — hardly the mission Christ described. Of course, Christ eschewed politics –
josef
November 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
Common
TAXI
Right there, in time and place…
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
5:00 pm
Morals are progressive.
pogo
November 1st, 2012
5:02 pm
This topic is timely Jay considering that Joseph Lowery, supposedly one of the most “respected” black ministers in the country, has now said that white people should “go to hell” with the rest of the country. What say you about that Jay? Didn’t Lowery actually speak at Obama’s inauguration? Will you condemn him (or any other black preacher) for preaching politics from the pulpit Jay? No you won’t because you are scared to. Your condemnation of the mixture of religion and politics only applies to the religious leaders that don’t support Obama, doesn’t it? Another words, according to you, black preachers are exempt. The reality is that everyone knows black preachers preach liberal politics practically every Sunday in every black church in this country and that is AOK with you liberals who feign to condemn the mixture of religion and politics. Once again your hypocritical side is on plain display for all to see. Write a piece on Lowery Jay, I dare you.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
5:02 pm
Now the rest of the country can see what a racist bigot Joseph Lowery is.
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/11/01/report-obama-inauguration-preacher-says-america-is-going-to-hell-in-a-hand-basket/
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
pogo
Double dog dare him. Sometimes it takes a real dare from someone like you to get him going
hahahahaha
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
I DO know that an intelligent GOD designed Evolution………….and that Obama/Romney-Bots are the missing link between apes and peaceful decent human beings.
.
I………..on the otherhand………..have reached the pinnacle of evolution.
.
Ron Paul …………Revolution.
jd
November 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
Rev. Mikler should also have read the verse proceeding Prov 10:9
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
TAXI
“Morals are progressive”.
Yep.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
5:05 pm
Adam – You should look up the statistical definition of outlier…because if I am then I have no brethren
just now saw where you were referring to downstairs
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
You will find that this blog as some of the finest “cherry pickers” in the land when it comes to Bible verses and interpretation……
Strange…there’s more Bible quoters on this blog than I ever met in real life living down there in Candler Park……
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.
However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.
Of course Republicans would suppress that report. The facts run counter to their faith-based economics.
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
5:07 pm
Thomas
Tell Alex Jones that I said hello.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
5:07 pm
TaxPayer – Have you ever seen an electron?
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
pogo should write a piece on Lowery and dare Jay to post it.
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
Just so folks won’t keep saying it’s just the white folks going to hell making a to-do
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/11/01/rev-joseph-lowery-under-fire-for-joking-that-white-people-going-to-hell/
Jay
November 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
Pogo, as I said last night, I’d like to see the video of Lowery’s remarks that is reported to exist. He says he was joking, others say he wasn’t. If he wasn’t, he’s forfeited his public voice from here on out. But before I take that position, I want to see for myself and judge for myself.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
Erwin,
Have you ever seen God.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
5:07 pm
Thomas
Tell Alex Jones that I said hello.
—————————————————————–
.
No.
I don’t take orders.
That’s for collectivists.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
ogop — “The reality is that everyone knows black preachers preach liberal politics practically every Sunday in every black church in this country and that is AOK with you liberals who feign to condemn the mixture of religion and politics. Once again your hypocritical side is on plain display for all to see. Write a piece on Lowery Jay, I dare you.”
I swear, it’s like someone cut off part of an extension cord, stripped the wires bare, jammed them in his ears and then plugged the cord into a wall socket.
Jaquavious
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
“…the current proposal to increase taxes on those 1%’ers (technically 550K and up) will bring in 80 billion a year..its’ already been spent..”
That and then some. Per this morning’s USA Today the current federal debt stands @ $16.16 trillion. TRILLION! That couldn’t be covered even if the government confiscated 100% of the earnings of every individual and corporate taxpayer.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
TP – no, but have been touched by her…..you?
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 1st, 2012
5:10 pm
Jay
November 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
But before I take that position, I want to see for myself and judge for myself.
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One shouldn’t judge either.
Too much.
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:11 pm
ERWIN’S
“Have you ever seen an electron?”
Sure…I think his name was Chiou Li
They BOTH suck
November 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
Thomas
You may not take orders but you sure willing accept a load a crap each time you listen to Alex Jones or read his articles……………
The election is going to be Tuesday, hope you finally realized that crap he sold you about Ron Paul getting the nomination was a lie.
Jim S.
November 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
It’s not often I say this, but thank God my parents raised me Southern Baptist, where, believe it or not, independent thinking is encouraged and we were not beholden to believe what our local Bishop pronounced as truth…politics gets more ‘icky’, the more active in the dark arts that these ‘religious’ ‘leaders’ become…One has to love a lecture from that dude about anything sacred…you know what I mean, I don’t have to say it, do I?
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:14 pm
IMAM
“But Forsyth Mayor John Howard, who is African American, said he was “pretty shocked” by Lowery’s comments. Howard “said if a speaker had made the same comments about black people, he would have gotten up and left… He said the Bible gives set instructions on how to go to heaven and it doesn’t say anything about skin color … [and] he said he looked at the face of his pastor, the Rev. Antonio Proctor, and could tell he was real shocked too,” according to the Macon County Reporter account.“Howard said he and Proctor talked about putting a video of the event on Forsyth Cable TV but decided after [Lowery’s] comments that it wasn’t a good idea,” the article said.”
From the link above.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
TP – no, but have been touched by her…..you?
No but I’ve been touched by more electrons than I can count. It’s a miracle.
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:16 pm
ERWIN’S
Oh, wait. That was an election. Nevermind.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
5:18 pm
TPNo but I’ve been touched by more electrons than I can count. It’s a miracle.
that would be a miracle mister science
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
5:18 pm
josef…I had no idea how to respond to Chiou Li
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
5:20 pm
Well if Jay is going to write a story about Lowry, he should probably include Huckabee’s claims that “value voters” should vote on values on marriage, abortion and contraception mandates that would stand the “test of fire”. Or is that somehow less offensive because he is suggesting that those who vote Democratic will be condemned to hell?
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:22 pm
IMAM
I guess we just say preacher Lowery is “off the reservation,” eh. Just kidding. Ha, ha. Yeah, sure.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
5:23 pm
Yes, Josef, I know. But before saying what ought to be said if he was indeed being serious, I’d have to see or hear it myself and be able to judge for myself.
A few other notes:
– The link you posted suggesting that “black folk” are making a big deal of it too is actually just a recounting of how white folk are making a big deal of it.
– Lowery has long been one of the most outspoken black clergy in defense of gay rights as a civil rights issue.
– The glee in some quarters that a 91-year-old of Lowery’s accomplishments might have said something disqualifying stupid is at best unseemly and probably something worse. If he was serious, it’s more cause for sadness than excitement and exhilaration.
dbm
November 1st, 2012
5:23 pm
The more things government gets involved in, and the more extensive and controlling that involvement becomes, the harder it gets to keep anything separate from government, and therefore the harder it gets to keep anything separate from politics.
If we had separation of state and healthcare, as we should anyway for more fundamental and comprehensive reasons, we would have a better shot at keeping separation of church and state.
Paul
November 1st, 2012
5:24 pm
“Partisan politics”?
Is there not a difference between a religious leader who says “this person says they adhere to our beliefs but they sponsor and vote for legislation contrary to our beliefs. If you’re going to vote for a candidate who portrays himself as of our faith, or who has sympathy for our views, then make sure they do. You should vote for those who actually do.”
as opposed to the religious leader who says “this guy is of the same race as us. Vote for him.”
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
ERWIN’S
“…I had no idea how to respond to Chiou Li”
I had some!
GOOD FIGHT
“Well if Jay is going to write a story about Lowry,”
That’ll be when hell freezes over and the white people come skating across!
pogo
November 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
The sad truth of what spoiled, self-indulgent and entitlement minded people the American people have become is on full display in the Northeast disaster. It has taken only three days for the people in NYC and NJ to start blaming the Red Cross and the government for not doing enough. Compare this to the Japanese tsunami disaster. The Japanese stuck together and they did not whine, they did not complain and their first response was to think as a society of what they could do to recover and they helped each other, starting with the elderly. We (Americans) have people in NYC that are raising hell because they can’t get cellphone service or that can’t get a train to take them to where they want to go. The video of the thugs in NYC attacking the guy during the storm is deeply disturbing. They beat him, they robbed him and they took time to stomp on his head before they scuttered off to whatever sewer they live in (just as all sewer rats do). Imagine that. During a time of disaster these bastards were out there looking for people to prey on. These are the children of decades of liberal politics.
Paul
November 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Didn’t finish, sorry.
And, are either of those two religious leaders I used as an example engaging in ‘partisan’ politics?
I think not.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
that would be a miracle mister science
What makes being touched by more electrons than one can count a miracle.
Ol' Timer
November 1st, 2012
5:29 pm
“In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.”
~ Thomas Jefferson
“The tendency to claim God as an ally for our partisan values and ends is the source of all religious fanaticism.” ~ Reinhold Niebuhr
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
pogo
November 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
The sad truth of what spoiled, self-indulgent and entitlement minded people the American people have become is on full display in the Northeast disaster. It has taken only three days for the people in NYC and NJ to start blaming the Red Cross and the government for not doing enough. Compare this to the Japanese tsunami disaster. The Japanese stuck together and they did not whine, they did not complain and their first response was to think as a society of what they could do to recover and they helped each other, starting with the elderly. We (Americans) have people in NYC that are raising hell because they can’t get cellphone service or that can’t get a train to take them to where they want to go. The video of the thugs in NYC attacking the guy during the storm is deeply disturbing. They beat him, they robbed him and they took time to stomp on his head before they scuttered off to whatever sewer they live in (just as all sewer rats do). Imagine that. During a time of disaster these bastards were out there looking for people to prey on. These are the children of decades of liberal politics.
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Don’t worry pogo.
They’re sending in the TSA to help.
.
St. Louis (KSDK) – More St. Louisans are headed into the destruction zone to help with the recovery efforts in the northeast, including some local federal employees.
TSA workers are leaving Thursday to help Sandy survivors. They’ll not only be helping the traveling public, but their fellow TSA screeners who are dealing with the aftermath of a storm in their personal lives.
Around 20 to 25 TSA workers from Lambert-St. Louis International Airport are leaving on two flights starting first thing Thursday morning. They are headed to the New York City area, along with more than 200 other TSA agents from around the country.
.
lol
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 1st, 2012
5:32 pm
dbm
November 1st, 2012
5:23 pm
The more things government gets involved in, and the more extensive and controlling that involvement becomes, the harder it gets to keep anything separate from government, and therefore the harder it gets to keep anything separate from politics.
If we had separation of state and healthcare, as we should anyway for more fundamental and comprehensive reasons, we would have a better shot at keeping separation of church and state.
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Sage.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
“These are the children of decades of liberal politics.”
Way to attack the victims jerk.
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
IMAM
Did I say black folks were making a big deal of it? I was simply making the point that it’s not just the right wingers reporting on it. In other words, we need an explanation beyond just I was joking. I’m with you on I’d like to see the video…but, and I stress, the mayor and the local minister were quoted and have not publicly denied that they were displeased…
And he wasn’t always such a fierce advocate of gay rights. His earlier stance was for civil union, but not marriage…you know, on the bus, but a second class back seat..
And you’re doing your own two-step worthy of the orange shorts girl with this…just like you did with Helen Thomas…
But question: why shouldn’t white folks make a big deal of it? And, by the same token, why should they?
To me, bottom line, this is what happens when you take to hagiology of the still living. They’ve got plenty of time to f up. Better do like the Catholics and wait a few years after they’ve gone to the great beyond…
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
Ol’ Timer
November 1st, 2012
5:29 pm
“Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that … of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.”– Thomas Jefferson, Reply to Baptist Address, 1807
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
November 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
The government, through its blatant disregard for the Constitution, has picked a fight with the nation’s churches, and the folks that attend these churches. And you are surprised they have provided a response? Spin it however you want, but it is a direct assault on people’s strongly held beliefs.
Bottom line – y’all get mad when we try to keep you from killing not-yet-born children, and we get mad when y’all try to force us to become part of the killing. This is not so difficult to understand, is it?
Tap Out
November 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
Mitt’s constant lies and flip flopping doesn’t bother them at all.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
5:43 pm
White people going to hell?
Depends on their behavior according the Bible.
Thou shall not………
Perhaps he was trying to get them to behave better.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
5:46 pm
Joseph Lowery needs to go take some “sensitivity and tolerance” classes.
Babatunde
November 1st, 2012
5:47 pm
“He also tells the congregation that they face a quandary. “I’m not telling you to vote for the Mormon,” he says. “The Mormon is not a Christian. According to the National Council of Churches, that is a sect, not a religion.”
That ^^^ is why I walked away from organized religion years ago and never looked back.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
5:48 pm
Joseph Lowery needs to go on the Don Imus show and apologize to white people.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
Another Thomas Jefferson quote:
“Most bad government has grown out of too much government. “
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
5:50 pm
Don’t worry pogo.
They’re sending in the TSA to help.
TSA is under the Dept of Homeland Security umbrella, just as FEMA. You’d really get your panties in a bunch if you knew that CBP and other DHS agencies already had people in the area helping out those who’ve been hit by the storm.
I haven’t heard about any Ron Paul supporters going to help their fellow citizens. What gives??
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
Bro
The RuPaul supporters are headed that way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CtRneKv3F0
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
JOSEPH L
Sensitivity training, no doubt. But he doesn’t need to go on Imus and apologize the WHITE people, he needs to apologize to generations of people who held him up as a role model an icon…what he said, just kidding, ha, ha, was an affront to the religion he professes which is shared by people of all colors… just like when Scout and company come in damning me to hell just because I’m gay, or a non Christian, or like ZamVet, Mary Elizabeth and company damning me because I’m a white rural Southerner…
But Scout, ZamVet and Mary Elizabeth aren’t put on pedestals from which they have made a career of their pontification…
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
I haven’t heard about any Ron Paul supporters going to help their fellow citizens. What gives??
No worries, the great humanitarian of our era, Donnie Birther is giving $5,000,000.00 away to his fellow NYC neighbors who were devastated by this storm. With no strings attached!
Because that is the kind of guy he is!
Jay
November 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
The polling numbers say that Obama has a significant lead among Catholic voters, which is explained in part by his strong support in the Latino community. However, even among white Catholics, he and Romney are roughly even in the polls I’ve seen.
If Catholic leaders make voting a test of their parishioners’ faith, the church may end up on the losing end of that arrangement in many cases.
josef
November 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Common
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:01 pm
Jay
Many Catholics that I grew up with in the 60’s have already left the church.
Their far right stands on almost every single issue have driven many away.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:03 pm
What a nice little blog on religion! But it doesn’t mention anything about lib ilk’s religion, big government.
Here’s an example of the kinds of things we as Americans can look forward to if O’bozo wins re-election:
“The Department of Interior (DOI) is requiring private oil companies to hire marine mammal and sea turtle monitors if the companies are granted a lease to drill offshore. A marine mammal observer’s job is to watch for whales, dolphins, and similar sea creatures and to advise on minimizing the underwater noise created by offshore drilling, which can affect the sea mammals.”
A fish monitor???? Really? I’m guessing the DOI will insist on a six figure salary for this productive member of society. Anything to raise the cost of fossil fuels is ok with O’bozo.
Matti
November 1st, 2012
6:08 pm
Awwww, look. Somebody never learned the difference between mammals and fish, or the basics of the food chain and how life on this planet is sustained. Bless his lil’ ol’ dummy heart! Can we please take up a collection to buy this poor unfortunate soul a book or two?
Oscar
November 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
The IRS should take action and start removing tax exempt status of the offending churches.
This is something up with which we should not put.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
Sinky hates dolphins. Are kittens, puppies and bunnies on the hate list too?
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
Pogo, as I said last night, I’d like to see the video of Lowery’s remarks that is reported to exist.
Jay, you don’t trust newspapers?
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:11 pm
AQUAGIRL
I do hear he’s right fond of sheep, though…
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:11 pm
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:03 pm
“A fish monitor????”
You can get a good fishfinder at Bass Pro Shops for $199.
http://www.basspro.com/Lowrance-Elite-4x-DSI-Color-Imaging-Fishfinder/product/53518000/?cmCat=CROSSSELL_THUMBNAIL
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:12 pm
Matti
Can we please take up a collection to buy this poor unfortunate soul a book or two?
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As if they can read
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:13 pm
A marine mammal observer’s job is to watch for whales, dolphins, and similar sea creatures and to advise on minimizing the underwater noise created by offshore drilling, which can affect the sea mammals.
Where do I apply? Conclusion after first year of mammal observation: “No obvious effects noted, but more observation required. Invoice attached.”
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:13 pm
HEATHEN
@ 6:09
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:13 pm
Godless, if the words “I don’t care about poor people” don’t make a case for wanting context before lambasting someone ….
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:13 pm
josef
You can get banned for talking about someone’s significant other
Krystal'sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:16 pm
I laugh uncontrollably when I hear these wingnuts profess to high heaven that religion should be a part of our politics and government, because it provides some damned “moral basis”. Well, well. These same people are super gung ho about the wars we wage against Muslims (like the Taliban) who only believe the same thing as they live under their own THEOCRACIES.Yet, we frown upon them and look at them as savages for doing so. Why??? Because we disagree with what THEIR own Holy Book dictates, and it doesn’t fall in line with OUR religion. Ain’t that about some bullshizznittle??!
I wish a preacher, pastor, bishop or any other jackleg church leader WOULD EVER try to tell me how to vote or who to vote for. I’d get right up and walk out of the damned church making a scene, and I would verbalize it for the church to hear. That there is no different than the Taliban and major hypocrisy. I am not the one.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:16 pm
Just wondering, how funny would it be if a white preacher said black people were headed to hell? Would the black community just go along with the “joke”.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:17 pm
You can get banned for talking about someone’s significant other
You would think that, wouldn’t ya?
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:17 pm
common
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:18 pm
Krystal’sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:16 pm
If Obama thought like you he would have walked out of Jeremiah “Dice Clay” Wright’s church 20 years ago.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:18 pm
“Where do I apply? Conclusion after first year of mammal observation: “No obvious effects noted, but more observation required. Invoice attached.””
emz
November 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
I am a member of a United Methodist Church in North Georgia and very much disagree with Rev. Mickler’s comments. Churches should stay out of politics. People can pray and think and arrive at their own conclusions. I do not need a minister to tell me, or even suggest, who I should vote for in any election.
Krystal'sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
… and Bishop Daniel Jenky NEEDS to ask God to “have mercy” on many of his brethren for keeping their hands and everything else in the little boys’ pants while hiding behind “the cloth”. How bout that one “Bishys” and “Passys”?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
Just wondering, how funny would it be if a white preacher said black people were headed to hell?
Have you checked out Huckabee [white preacher] claims about voting Democratic? And since “we know” all black people are voting Democratic (see Colin Powell), you would think that this would just be hilarious, right?
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:21 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
So Mike Huckabee and Colin Powell both said blacks were headed to hell?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:21 pm
Keep
They are more into ugly women up here in Pittsburgh, so celibacy seems to be my only option
j/k Jay I know you loved it here LOL
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
6:21 pm
You can get banned for talking about someone’s significant other
Making a funny comment even funnier…..
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
6:22 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
Moderate Line
The funny thing is the 80-99 are the ones getting hosed by the 1%.
That’s what happens when you don’t pay attention. It also helps to be able to afford a politician or two.
++++
I believe you are correct. Both sides spread so much disinformation unless you really try to get at the truth you will never find it.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:24 pm
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
6:22 pm
“Both sides spread so much disinformation unless you really try to get at the truth you will never find it.”
Probably the only “totally true” post of the day. Congrats!!!
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
Jay! A newspaper reporter wouldn’t take a statement out of context.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
Another lib ilk religious doctrine worships renewable fuels. I saw that those Jersey folks suffering from Sandy are starving for gasoline for cars, generators, pumps, etc.
How dare they!!!!
O’bozo was there yesterday and promised all the windmills and solar panels they could use. He then cut a commercial for the POS Volt.
Problem solved!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
no Racist…. your comprehension is aparently on par with your nonexistent analytical skills.
Round about
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
“Probably the only “totally true” post of the day. Congrats!!!”
Are you saying that except for your last post, you have been lying all day?
Krystal'sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
Don’t waste your time @JL with me on it. You lose credibility with your moniker. It’s weak. It’s like calling the raped a rapist, or the murdered a murderer. We know better.
Furthermore, Jeremiah Wright performed the wedding ceremony for a family member of mine, so suffice it to say I have PERSONALLY sat in his church on a couple of occasions and even visited a couple times. Suffice it to say that I also know from my personal experience how the media portrays anything that we do whether it be in a negative light or a positive light. It’s all propaganda they fed you and you ate it up willingly, because it plays to your personal prejudices and fears. Obama had to distance himself for the sake of winning the Presidency. I know people in that Church, and yes some are Caucasian…and no they are not out to get “Whitey”. But hey, if it makes you feel better to think that they do, then knock yourself out.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
Jay
November 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
The polling numbers say that Obama has a significant lead among Catholic voters, which is explained in part by his strong support in the Latino community. However, even among white Catholics, he and Romney are roughly even in the polls I’ve seen.
If Catholic leaders make voting a test of their parishioners’ faith, the church may end up on the losing end of that arrangement in many cases.
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In Europe at one time most countries had state religions. Europe has become more non-religious than the US. The best way to make people cynical of religion is for religion to get involved in politics.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:28 pm
Newspaper reporters, like people in every other walk of life, come in all shapes, sizes, competencies and moral character, Godless.
Georgia
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
The Japanese Hurricane catastrophe included Nuclear Plant spillage. That’s why their praise for government relief was so glowing.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
And by saying that, I’m casting no aspersions on the professionalism of the reporter on the Lowery story. The piece seemed competently assembled and reported.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
“aparently”?
Your grammar and spelling is “apparently” on par with your nonexistent analytical skills.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:30 pm
Georgia
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
Whoa! I heard a rimshot after reading your post.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
Jay
Newspaper reporters, like people in every other walk of life, come in all shapes, sizes, competencies and moral character,
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I am so not going there
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
heathen
“A newspaper reporter wouldn’t take a statement out of context.”
Nev-uh! Hush yo mouf!
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
Well you could probably call Mayor Howard yourself and get a straight accounting of the Reverend’s statement. Mayor Howard is very approachable and I’m sure he would not mind speaking to a reporter from a big city newspaper.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Krystal’sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
“Obama had to distance himself for the sake of winning the Presidency.”
Yep, he was really committed to that church, now wasn’t he?
Philosopher
November 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Preachers, priests, pastors, etc,. who preach politics have serious issues with power hunger and hubris. TAX THEM! Even Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto Rome, the things that are Rome’s.” Churches should nurture and guide the spiritual and stay the heck out of politics. A person who is spiritually healthy (and I do NOT mean religious!) will make healthy decisions in other aspects of his/her life.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Newspaper reporters, like people in every other walk of life, come in all shapes, sizes, competencies and moral character, Godless.
No doubt.
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
PARSE-ON BROWNLOW
“The piece seemed competently assembled and reported.”
The operative word being “seemed!”
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
Moderate Line
Jay has gone off on the left before. It’s not a standard practice though, but he has been critical of the left. I would expect that more if he carried a national audience, but as a newspaper opinionist, I don’t expect him to go that route very often. That’s just me though, and one of the reasons why I frequent left and right blogs and sites
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I have no expectations for Jay. He is a partisan. J
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
Racist, before you lecture others about their analytical skills based on a typo, you may be interested to learn that the quote that you attributed to Thomas Jefferson — ““Most bad government has grown out of too much government” — is spurious, and cannot be found anywhere in Jefferson’s work, writings or papers.
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/bad-government-results-too-much-government-quotation
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:35 pm
HEATHEN
“Well you could probably call Mayor Howard yourself and get a straight accounting of the Reverend’s statement.”
Maybe he should, but bets are he won’t…
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
The proof is in the pudding.
—-Thomas Jefferson
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
Europe has become more non-religious than the US
Just read of a study by a research org from U of Chicago.
Only 13% of my peeps (former E. Germany) believe in a god.
Only 9% have a personal relationship with a god (whatever the heck that means)
I’m thinking of joining the Church of Apathetic Agnostics
(we don’t know, and we don’t care)
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
“Nobody would make up a quote on the Internet” – Abraham Lincoln
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
TUNDRA
“I’m thinking of joining the Church of Apathetic Agnostics (we don’t know, and we don’t care)”
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:40 pm
Lefties worshiping at the O’bozo alter big big government rejoice! From FoxNews:
“Coming soon: a green tax code for American businesses and individual taxpayers alike? A major tax study currently being sponsored by the U.S. Treasury will give environmental activists a powerful new weapon in their campaign to alter the entire American economic and social landscape in the name of halting “climate change”—including the possible levying of new carbon taxes.”
Our economy craters?
Who cares? Bambi lives! And prosperity dies.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
6:40 pm
…Thomas Jefferson — ““Most bad government has grown out of too much government” — is spurious, and cannot be found anywhere in Jefferson’s work, writings or papers.
What a rube…
Ronald Reagan is not the solution to the problem. Ronald Reagan is the problem. ~Thomas Jefferson
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
6:41 pm
a takeoff on a con theme – bu…bu…Lowery’s not the ballot! duh!
hey, if the cat in the big hat wants to act like an Apostle, maybeh
he should read from the (wait for it) Acts of The Apostles – (chapt 4)
‘Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.’
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:42 pm
Lefties worshiping at the O’bozo alter big big government
——————————————————————————————
Words do have meaning LOL
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
6:43 pm
“Can we have another round of bogus Thomas Jefferson quotes, please?”
– Thomas Jefferson
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
St Simons
If you’re the one doing the rain dance for me here in Pittsburgh STOP.
It has rained for 6 flippin days LOL
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
Jubilee-ee-ee, jubil-ee-ee, you’re invited to this happy jubilee….
that’s a popular gospel music show down heah.
Don Pardo, tell em what jubilee really means….
Krystal'sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
When I say “distance himself”, I meant from the controversy, which meant the comments, and yes to a degree the MAN who made the comments. Even though the comments in context were not as the anti-Obama “news” outlets made them out to be. Yes, he had to “play the game” because the truth of the matter is, people with your mindset look through a different lens, so being as how one has to make inroads they must do what is necessary. He did not stop being a Christian or abandon his personal faith, which by the way isn’t one’s relationship supposed to be a PERSONAL one? Or is that just more religious mumbo-jumbo? The majority of people were able to see past the propaganda, even though they might not have been comfortable outwardly acknowledging it amongst their “own” for fear of disturbing the whole group think dynamic. Yet he won anyway.I make no pretenses about how things work in this country. I just wish other people stop pretending so that we can begin to finally make some REAL progress.
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
6:47 pm
that’s the clouds dumping weight before they head over
the mountains, dude, not meeeee.
hey, josef can tell you, the rain dance is one of the easiest to do
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:48 pm
Falsely attributing a quote to me and getting called on it can shut a sock puppet up fast. – Thomas Jefferson
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:48 pm
Obama was born in Kenya.
Thomas Jefferson
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
6:49 pm
Josef:
There really is such a thing: I’m too apathetic to attend services, tho.
http://apatheticagnostic.org
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:52 pm
He ne ha…
Yeah! But Unmentionable was offering (for a substantial fee in beads of the realm, of course) to do the spiritual no-rain-dance…
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:52 pm
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
I didn’t realize there was just one website covering all of TJs works. What I posted was from a website. Google it if you wish. I don’t have TJ quotes in my head, but I’m sure you do.
Now, about lecturing. Did you respond in a condescending way to the person who originally responded to me? Nah, they fit your ideology. I don’t. Lecture away, Jay.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
There really is such a thing: I’m too apathetic to attend services, tho
Doesn’t investing a moment to google it automatically disqualify you for membership?
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
TUNDRA
Are they tax-exempt?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:54 pm
josef
Tell Unmentionable to start the no-rain-dance before the moss starts growing on me
GT
November 1st, 2012
6:54 pm
I suspect advertising on the walls of the church is somewhere on the short list of things to get done. Chick filla is already angling for that and practically dressing itself in choir robes which is part of the secret recipe. Religion is more of a style now days than substance, if you look like a person of religion even in a very watered down way like Newt you are in. Supersized and megatized hear me Lord.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
Condescending Jay, here you go
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/bad-government-results-too-much-government-quotation
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
AQUAGIRL
Hmmm…theological hairsplitter, you!
Peter
November 1st, 2012
6:56 pm
The Catholic church is about as hypocritical as any organization goes…… They hide what the priests are doing to boys, the launder money for the mafia, and they will charge you for any help you get from them…example.
A friend was a devote Catholic his whole life…. he was married in the church…when his wife ran off an didn’t want to me married, as she was a drunk, and he didn’t drink…he went to his priest to ask for an annulment of their marriage.
The priest said it would cost some money… when he asked how much the priest replied… ” how much to you make a year ? ”
He never went to his Catholic church again after that.
Carl
November 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
This is standard practice in the Black church. It is only making news now because some White church are doing likewise.
Tired of it all
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
And Rev. Lowery says on 2 occasons, I love white people but alot of them are going to hell!! Then just this past week white folks are gonna be in Hell! Jamvet, or whoever, Baptist churches fed the KKK for years in the south? GOT PROOF?
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
He never went to his Catholic church again after that.
Did he go to Whole Foods in his Cadillac/Mercedes/BMW?
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
6:59 pm
Doesn’t investing a moment to google it automatically disqualify you for membership?
No moments invested. Just clicked on a link a while back. Wasn’t looking for it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
7:00 pm
Greeaaattttt link, Racist. Did you happen to read it?
I don’t have TJ quotes in my head, but I’m sure you do.
hmmm.. well if you don’t have them in your head, then what is being kept there.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:02 pm
I don’t have TJ quotes in my head…
Hysterical, meat.
You must have been the guy who walked around school with a KICK ME sign taped to his back…
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
7:04 pm
Joseph:
Are they tax-exempt?
Good Q. Too lazy to look it up.
Speaking of taxes, can’t wait for Romney’s new book:
“Tax Avoidance for DUMMIES”
Tired of it all
November 1st, 2012
7:05 pm
Lowery needs to concentrate on all the armed robbers, stabbings, mamas having 5 or more babbies with no husband in sight, children running wild on the street stealing, selling drugs, young girls prostituting, boys pimping these young girls for prostitutes. And ending up shot or in prison for life. But its so much easier to stand in the pulpit on Sunday and blame the white man for all the troubles.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
7:05 pm
“Maybe she’s born with it, maybe it’s Maybelline.”
– Thomas Jefferson
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:08 pm
TIRED OF IT ALL
You sound an awful lot like preacher Lowery to me….
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
“The tree of liberty needs to be fed with the blood of guys who post under new troll-handles every day.”
–Tee Jay
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
“That may be what I said, but that’s not what I meant.”
–Thomas Jefferson Lowery
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:10 pm
SFD
@ 7:09
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
You sound an awful lot like preacher Lowery to me…
Preacher Lowery is 91, what’s Tired’s excuse?
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:12 pm
Tiredofmeat, go crack a book or three on the subject and quit hiding behind your staggering public ignorance and tacit racism, K?
You are absurd for even asking the question.
Seriously.
Edgar Ray “Preacher” Killen (born January 17, 1925) is a former Ku Klux Klan organizer who conspired in the murders of three civil rights activists—James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner—in 1964.[1]
He was found guilty in state court of three counts of manslaughter on June 21, 2005, the forty-first anniversary of the crime. He appealed the verdict, but his sentence of three times 20 years in prison was upheld on January 12, 2007, by the Mississippi Supreme Court.
Edgar Ray Killen was born on January 17, 1925, in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the second of eight children of Lonnie Ray Killen (1901–1992) and Etta Hitt (1903–1983).[citation needed]
Killen was a sawmill operator and a Southern Baptist minister. He was also a kleagle, or klavern recruiter and organizer, for the Neshoba and Lauderdale County chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.
Now quit playing stupid and inform yourself exactly as to why there were no Catholics, Jews or Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Klan.
Or don’t…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
7:12 pm
“Wesa got a grand army. That’s why you no liking us meesa thinks.”
– Thomas “Jar Jar Binks” Jefferson
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
Moderate Line
Both sides spread so much disinformation unless you really try to get at the truth you will never find it.
I don’t think any greater truth has ever been posted here before.
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
Aquagirl…
He’s 92 in the shade?
Ol' Timer
November 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
@ Joseph Lowery is a Racist: You didn’t take you med today, did you! You’re hyper!
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
“Power outages at hundreds of gas stations and a distribution bottleneck due to flooding damage and power loss has caused a gasoline shortage in the New York metropolitan area that may not be cleared up for at least a week, according to industry experts.”
Dude, get a windmill. Or at least a solar panel.
Sheeeeeesh.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
I guess Mayor-for-Life Bloomberg’s endorsement isn’t any big deal/surprise, since I don’t see that anyone’s discussed it amongst the Bookmaniacs?
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
7:19 pm
Some race baiter, this time named Lowery, hates whitey.
Stop the presses! Dog bites man!
Lowery, Jackson, Sharpton, Lewis, Cummings, etc., are hateful people. But they are lefties so all is good.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:23 pm
Naw, Mitt’s not gettin’ desperate or nothin’… this sort of ad is totally the sort of thing a candidate confident in his prospects for success starts running with two working days to go…
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:24 pm
Now before any of you go to calling Sinkwich a racist, here’s him and his dream lover…
http://www.childrenlovetosing.com/ic/1192398029/Baa%20Baa%20Black%20Sheep.jpg
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
What makes being touched by more electrons than one can count a miracle.
you’d have to touch one before more than you can count….can you count to zero?
willie lynch
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
Given the history of the Catholic church I could care less what they say. Again, another institution whose leadership has no credibility.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
I was at the Club today waiting for a tee time and a group of fat cat GOPers were at the next table drinking Scotch and talking about how they wished they could pave the whole friggin world and about how smart Romney was to put all that effort into becoming President so that he could start WWIII and pay less taxes. Then one of them started hitting on the waitress and asked her if he could take her home to his trailer. After the bus-boy went by they talked about how they wanted to put “that boy” back in chains. One of them wanted to know how much money he could make polluting drinking water and the rest of them told him that you could never go wrong poisoning people for profit.
Then it got weird so I went to Whole Foods.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
Hey, *I* want a dream lover, so I don’t have to dream alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmhgc-LpqQo
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:31 pm
Obama has probably thrown away the Catholic vote to solidify the far-left vote, which he’ll probably get anyway.
Tom
November 1st, 2012
7:32 pm
Randy Mickler is a genuine American hero. Can you imagine how much courage it takes to get up and criticize Obama in East Cobb? Such heroism has not been seen since somebody at Berkeley criticized George W. Bush during the Iraq War. It truly brings a tear to the eye.
Freedom Riders 2012
November 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
…get on the bus…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
Given the history of the Catholic church I could care less what they say.
i try to remain fairly agnostic about the RCC myself; there are certainly progressive elements within it who believe in liberation theology, social justice, and all that good stuff.
and there are some guys who have been trying underhandely to influence American elections for ages, Including that guy Ratzi, going back to 2004.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/04/20/684/83575
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
I haven’t been keeping up with what Lowery said, but I denounce it!!!
I also have to come to Tired’s defense a little bit here. I’m not sure what all Tired has said, but that last post was full of some uncomfortable truths… . The truth hurts sometimes but it has to be faced and acknowledged in order to be changed. It’s the same with the wingnuts, until they can own up to W they shouldn’t be allowed to have the checkbook or the keys to the Abrams tank back…
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:36 pm
Obama has probably thrown away the Catholic vote
Gallup has him leading Romney 51-46.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/US-Presidential-Election-Center.aspx?ref=interactive
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
7:36 pm
godless @7:28…thanks for the chuckle
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:39 pm
Well Bloomturd has come out supporting Obama based on global warming. What a d-bag that the good people of New York voted into office too many times. Pray for the folks in New Jersey and New York who have born the brunt of this storm.
willie lynch
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
I denounce the Pope and his cadre of pedophiles. It’s an insult to Rev. Lowery to be mentioned in conversation with these devils.
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
HEATHEN
Seconding Erwin’s…that was good…!
SFD
Much of the same opinion…the RCC is like just about any other, good, bad, ugly and everything in between…and like with all the rest, it has more to do with who’s in power, when and where…
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:43 pm
SFD, don’t think Gallup has put up recent polls but if Obama’s carrying Catholics and Evangelicals it would be truly amazing if not unbelievable.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
Isn’t it great how the Republicans and North Koreans are the only two major organizations in the entire world that deny man-induced global warming?
What a cute pair they make, huh?
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
I denounce the Jews and the Ragpickers!
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
7:47 pm
you’d have to touch one before more than you can count….can you count to zero?
What on earth are you talking about, Erwin. Electrons are all around you, in you, on you. In fact, you sound quite wired up and in need of a discharge. Go ground yourself. It’ll do your body good.
Can you count without zero.
RF
November 1st, 2012
7:52 pm
Obama’s actually tracking better among more moderate Catholics. Of course, the more conservative are tepid, but they’re just that way about everything. I’m not too terribly concerned about the general issue of the thread. I’m used to fiery So. Bapt. preachers telling me how to vote….never worked, but God love ‘em they tried. The people who voted that way were going to anyway, so what the blowhard in the pulpit called for was already a done deal. Lemmings….
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
Isn’t it great how the Republicans and North Koreans are the only two major organizations in the entire world that deny man-induced global warming?
You made that up. There are groups of dissention in every country in the world.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:55 pm
JamVet , good job as a committed Bolshevick and beloved follower of Kim Song II and Mao Tse-Tung you certainly make your blog presence felt among your like minded communist party comrades.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
7:55 pm
“My daughter! O my ducats! O my daughter!
Fled with a Christian! O my Christian ducats!”
– Thomas “Shylock” Jefferson
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:57 pm
RF
You have been reported to the ULANDL…
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
7:57 pm
There are groups of dissention in every country in the world.
They’re called “oil companies.”
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:58 pm
K’chak
@ 7:55
I did NOT write that,,,
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
dB @ 7:15
Both Bloomberg’s and The Economist’s endorsements are more about their disappointment with Romney as opposed to a full frontal endorsement of Obama. They are quite the read when you read them in their entirety
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
Film on Noah’s ark held up by flooding.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=26541
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
josef: say it ain’t so!!! I’m likely on a few “lists” here and there…I have a little trouble with the mouth these days as I get older. The filter tends to stick open and what I’m thinking flies out before I have time to check Granny’s list of socially appropriate things to say. But it does make life interestin’.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:04 pm
TP – no….at best an electrons are “feeling” another electrons electromagnetic field…but you have never touched an electron….i’m not pickin on you by a stretch…my point is…you are the one with a faith-based science….you can’t do it, or reproduce it, you have “faith” in the conclusion of others…not sayin’ it’s wrong, but it’s not YOUR opinion…it’s an adopted one…..a closed book is hard to read
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:04 pm
China and the Democratic Party are the only major organizations in the world that support infanticide as a means of population control.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
heathen, groups of dissention (sic) does not equal major organizations.
There are exactly two on the entire planet – one a state government and one a political party.
NO government besides that of the North Koreans denies anthropogenic climate change.
Fortunately for them, they have a fine ally in the Republican Party in the USA.
That’s it. That’s all. There ain’t no more.
You can look it up!
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:07 pm
And look at our little ex-marine.
He’s in good form tonight, huh?
Maybe he’ll storm off in a another huffnpuff tantrum soon!
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
Erwin,
Free the radical and set yourself free. Open a book. Learning is a terrible thing for you to continue to waste.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
SFD, don’t think Gallup has put up recent polls but if Obama’s carrying Catholics and Evangelicals it would be truly amazing if not unbelievable.
Two things. First off, I mis-wrote–I didn’t realize that the polling I quoted was from 2008, it’s not current, and maybe someone with more time than I can check to see what it looks like today.
That said, I suspect America’s Catholics are a lot more progressive than you credit.
tiredofIT
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
If you have some time to waste try listening to some of the shows and new on the local religious radio stations. You would be surprise ( or not ) by some of the thing you here.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:10 pm
Bro: disappointment with Romney is the norm. I’m amazed at the ginned up enthusiasm for him I’ve seen amongst far-right friends who have just about swallowed their tongues trying to find something, anything supportive to say about the guy. All they can get out is “but that Obama just ruined the country!” and they suddenly have to leave when you press them for details.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:11 pm
Godless heathen,
The Chinese communist party and the American Democrat party are joined at the hip. The Chi-Com’s tolerate Obama’s Muslim leanings for their own expedience.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm7jEA3frY4
for Aquagirl
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:13 pm
Jam,
It’s absurd to equate a political party with the official position of a nation, but you know that. Whatever gets you your jollies.
Mary Elizabeth
November 1st, 2012
8:14 pm
About Joseph Lowery -
I have been out most of today but I did scan a few remarks about Rev. Lowery not only today but yesterday and I feel compelled to share my thoughts below.
My mother, a beautiful Southern woman – inside and out – would have been one year younger than Rev. Lowery had she not died in 2007. Though considered a Southern lady by many for good reason, she nevertheless had strong personal autonony, and she said to our family, when I was a teen, “If I had been born black, I would have been more militant than any other black person.”
Most who are on this blog are about 55 or younger, as best I can size up. That means that you are almost two generations younger than Rev. Lowery. You cannot possibly know what the black people of his generation suffered and endured at the hands of whites of that day. Furthermore, I see no indication at all that Rev. Lowery has aged mentally. I do see a lot of ageism expressed and accepted erroneously as truth on this blog, however. People age differently. Some are young physically and mentally into their 90s as is actress Betty White or singer Pete Seeger (both in their 90s). Some age early, even in their 30s, and die early as a result, as did Elvis Presley, who died in his early 40s.
Rev. Lowery is as sharp as ever, imo, and he probably basically meant what he said, but he also probably did not intend for his words to be so intensely serious as some perceive, based on his personality and past ways of relating to others. But, there probably was anger behind his words, and he probably used exaggeration, more than likely, for making a serious point through a limited kind of humor. From what I have read, Rev. Lowery said that as a young man, he had thought all whites were going to hell, and then he changed in later years to think that only “some” whites would go to hell, I believe that Rev. Lowery probably changed his views to “some” whites because of the change of white people toward blacks which I too remember having happened. But, in the last decade especially, I perceive that there has been a return to more negative judgments by white people of black people (as a group, not individuall), and I believe that Rev. Lowery has been aware of that fact, as I am. His words, whether in humor or not, sprang, no doubt, from a deep disappointment with the white people whom he had trusted had changed in their hearts, but had not as he sees it. (Fact: Only one white Democrat now sits in Congress from Georgia, all the rest are black Democrats. Whites engaged in “white flight” to the Republican Party en masse.) Rev. Lowery’s voice still rings true, in my opinion, even though his thinking makes some uncomfortable. He knows much more about the depth of what has happened between whites and blacks in this state, in deeper understanding and truth, than most who voice now negatives about him.
============================================
When I saw the white Baptist churches of my youth take a stand for segregation, I knew – even as a youth – that they were on the wrong moral side of history. I continue to encourage all to search for your understanding of deeper truths based on your own internal barometers and consciences, regardless of how any of your identified groups direct you to think, and that includes various church groups.
There was good reason that Thomas Jefferson thought most organized religion was composed of unevolved people and, thus, he did not desire to participate in organized religion himself, although he did believe in the beliefs of Jesus Christ. (Jefferson may have been a Unitarian – I forget for certain – but I believe that he was.)
Some are able to transcend even the anger of the injustices perpetuated against them, as did Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (and his father Rev. “Daddy” King), but most are not that elevated. Rev. Lowery has more wisdom than most on this planet even as a 91 year old man, even though he may not have reached a wisdom, devoid of all hate, that Martin Luther King was able to reach even in his 20s and 30s. If we must judge others, we should try to do so with compassion to their unique circumstances rather than based on our circumstances in judging their lives, and not based on their ages or sex, or with platitudes of thought, which is always surface thought.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:15 pm
C’mon neocons.
No other major organizations/governments that you can show us who are allied WITH you on the issue of global warming?
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
You boys ain’t doing your homework, are you?
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:16 pm
Aaaand Erwin finds something to drive me up the wall faster than the “electrons are an OPINION” thing.
Well played sir.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
…ok, I’m flip-flopping again back to my original statement. Had another look at the Gallup page, and I was right–the Catholic demographic is pegged at 51-46 in O’s favor, as of Oct. 28 of this year. Recent enough…
/drive-by
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
I googled “major organizations that deny global warming” and got 10,400,000 hits.
JamVet says there are 2.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
8:19 pm
If you have some time to waste try listening to some of the shows and new on the local religious radio stations.
That’s nuthin’, DirecTV basic has all the prechifying you could possibly imagine.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:20 pm
AmfauxVet,
Good Americans have killed and died killing better brainwashed communists than you just to keep you alive in America, so you can spew your daily stupidity.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
8:21 pm
AP:
“Roanoke, Va. – Mitt Romney’s campaign is running a Spanish-language ad in Florida that claims Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro’s niece would support President Barack Obama. The spot shows a clip of Chavez saying that if he were American, ‘‘I’d vote for Obama.’’ The Venezuelan leader did say that in September, when he also called Obama ‘‘a good guy.’’”
Commies love O’bozo?
That ain’t news, AP. all Marxists do. Everyone knows that.
Duh.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:22 pm
At least the right has something else to focus on now that Benghazi fizzled out.
He is probably right because the right can’t even deal with facts and reality and they think they are totalitarians.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:23 pm
Free the radical and set yourself free
no and why not?
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:23 pm
I googled “major organizations that deny global warming” and got 10,400,000 hits.
I googled “Catholic priests molest children” so I could make a point that google hits =/= units that you’re googling.
I got 666,000 hits, and no, I’m not making that up.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:24 pm
Then cough them up, heathen.
Names, details, facts.
Uh oh!
A tad more research and I’ve got yet more bad news for you climate change deniers in the GOP.
Even the North Koreans have abandoned you!
Huge LOL!
SEOUL, Aug 21 (AFP) – North Korea on Wednesday blamed global warming for the recent droughts and floods that have devastated the impoverished Stalinist state’s agricultural industry.
“The repeated natural disasters that hit the DPRK (North Korea) are attributable to the abnormal weather caused by global warming,” the North’s official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.
It said the weather gradually started changing in Korea from the early 1970s, with temperature and rainfall being seriously upset in the 1990s.
North Korea was hit last year by the longest spell of cold weather in 100 years, followed by record high temperatures in the spring.
Long live scientific ignorance in the Republican Party!
(Looks like our little ex-marine is going to go into full meltdown mode soon.)
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:26 pm
A report came out that said the gop ideology is a failed ideology so what do the gop do?
Ignore it and fight for failed ideology anyway.
They are government waste.
Fire them.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:27 pm
I got 666,000 hits, and no, I’m not making that up.
10 million is more than 666K
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:28 pm
getalife: Why do you hate America?
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:29 pm
“Long live scientific ignorance in the Republican Party!”
Me thinks it will live on into infinity. The hive mind is slow on the uptake.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
The WaPo and CBS are finally getting into the Benghazi questions.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Jam,
I’ve only had time to review the first 5 million hits but there are several “major organizations” that deny global warming. You can do your own research.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
“getalife: Why do you hate America?”
Playing the neocon trump card right on schedule, I see. When faced with facts one can’t accept, the tired hate card gets thrown on the table like an errant ace that isn’t even from the same deck.
Steve-USA
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
godless – “10 million is more than 666K”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ_u3mjqB9I
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
The WaPo and CBS are finally getting into the Benghazi questions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Thanks you Mr. Olds. And this is pertinent how?
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Erwin,
you made the statement, “at best an electrons are “feeling” another electrons electromagnetic field” and then proceeded to build an argument using your statement as though I said it. Now go free some radicals. And quit touching so many electrons.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Here’s a little tidbit from the google zone about “major organizations that deny global warming”:
Global Climate Coalition
Founded in 1989 by 46 corporations and trade associations representing all major elements of US industry, the GCC presents itself as a “voice for business in the global warming debate.” The group funded several flawed studies on the economics of the cost of mitigating climate change, which formed the basis of their 1997/1998 multi-million dollar advertising campaign against the Kyoto Protocol. The GCC began to unravel in 1997 when British Petroleum withdrew its membership. Since then many other corporations have followed BP s lead and left the coalition. This exodus reached a fevered pitch in the early months of 2000 when DaimlerChrysler, Texaco and General Motors all announced their exodus from the GCC. Since these desertions, the GCC restructured and remains a powerful and well-funded force focused on obstructing meaningful efforts to mitigate climate change.
That’s just one, the list goes on…
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
10 million is more than 666K
C’mon, heathen, everyone knows you’re not dumb enough to think google hits = number of things googled. You’re stalling until bedtime. “Earth” brings up 1,310,000,000 results. Despite our propensity to trash this planet I’m not sure we have that many extra on hand.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
AG – Aaaand Erwin finds something to drive me up the wall faster than the “electrons are an OPINION” thing.
Well played sir
_______________________
i’ve learned to bring my game w/you
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
Recon, do you need medical assistance? You seem to have a fence post up your buttkus again tonight.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
Speaking of films, Atlas Shrugged II has gone from showing in 1012 theaters to 945 and now it’s only playing in 147.
Probably should’ve been direct-to-video, like porn.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:20 pm
AmfauxVet,
Good Americans have killed and died killing better brainwashed communists than you just to keep you alive in America, so you can spew your daily stupidity.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Now what would Jesus say about that answer?
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:37 pm
godless,
I will never ever vote gop to allow them to destroy our country again.
Why will you vote for the gop to do it again?
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
Jammie cites North Korea as a purveyor of truth!
Bwaahahahahahahaha
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
Here’s a couple more of the deniers:
Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
Founded in 1990 by widely publicized climate skeptic S. Fred Singer, SEPP s stated purpose is to “document the relationship between scientific data and the development of federal environmental policy.” SEPP has mounted a sizeable media campaign — publishing articles, letters to the editor, and a large number of press releases — to discredit the issues of global warming, ozone depletion, and acid rain.
Spin: Moreover, climate change won t be bad for us anyway. Action on climate change is not warranted because of shaky science and flawed policy approaches.
Funding: Conservative foundations including Bradley, Smith Richardson, and Forbes. SEPP has also been directly tied to ultra right-wing mogul Reverend Sung Myung Moon s Unification Church, including receipt of a year s free office space from a Moon-funded group and the participation of SEPP s director in church-sponsored conferences and on the board of a Moon-funded magazine.
Affiliated Individuals:S. Fred Singer,Frederick Seitz
Greening Earth Society
The Greening Earth Society (GES) was founded on Earth Day 1998 by the Western Fuels Association to promote the view that increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 are good for humanity. GES and Western Fuels are essentially the same organization. Both used to be located at the same office suite in Arlington, VA. Until December 2000, Fred Palmer chaired both institutions. The GES is now chaired by Bob Norrgard, another long-term Western Fuels associate. The Western Fuels Assocation (WFA) is a cooperative of coal-dependent utilities in the western states that works in part to discredit climate change science and to prevent regulations that might damage coal-related industries.
I can’t imagine any of those folks having a vested interest in denying global warming or anything like profits and investors to protect…riiiiiight.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
whatever TaxPayer….you win
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
del gets like that when he realizes he is losing.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:40 pm
Man, it’s unimaginable, how anyone who calls themselves an American could possibly excuse this feckless administration for the loss of American life in Benghazi.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
whatever TaxPayer….you win
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Help, help, I’m being repressed!
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
LOL Josef, if you are still on. You were proved right at 8:14.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:43 pm
del,
The CIA set the facts straight and made you look like silly clowns again.
At what point do you show humility and apologize.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:44 pm
Fred, as usual you have nothing to say…get well.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
“Man, it’s unimaginable, how anyone who calls themselves an American could possibly excuse this feckless administration for the loss of American life in”… Iraq or Afghanistan either, but we HAD to get those WMDs before the boogeyman got ‘em. How did that work out?
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:40 pm
Man, it’s unimaginable, how anyone who calls themselves an American could possibly excuse
this feckless administrationthe feckless Bush Administration for the loss of American life inBenghazi.Iraq.Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:44 pm
Fred, as usual you have nothing to say…get well.
+++++++++++++++
I’m trying Mr. Olds.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
At what point do you show humility and apologize
getalife, please don’t blog drunk…
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
So heathen, who exactly are these 10,400,000 “organizations”?
LOL.
No, Andy, it just shows just how reactionary and dumb your political party is.
When even the North Koreans are not the very last to join in with the rest of the planet, what does it say about you Republicans?
Seriously!
Now there is NOBODY on your side of the ledger.
Own it, weirdos.
Hell, you thumpers are still trying to contend that evolution is a hoax!
Hopeless with a capital H…
dabir dalton
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
1} The Catholic faith is a mixture of pagan and corrupted Christian doctrines – hence isn’t so much a church as it is a cult.
2} The leadership of the Catholic Church hates Freedom of Religion and has a history of persecuting and murdering those who refuse to bow down to the Pope or dares to disagree with their corrupt teachings.
3} I’ve always thought it ironic that a church willing to commit genocide, burn heretics at the stake and promoted ignorance during the middle ages uses the issue of abortion in order to cultivate an appearance of morality while looking the other way in or era when their priests were sexually molesting children.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
gatalife, No one can help you if you refuse to help yourself, At least try.
Dharma Bum
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
I absolutely cannot wait to see the bickering and fighting on these blogs come November 7th.
I expect at least one death threat, a lot of “suck it [libs/con]s,” a fair amount of “America is doomed,” and a sizable chunk of “Our guy won NYAH NYAH NYAH.”
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
whatever TaxPayer….you win
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Help, help, I’m being repressed!
++++++++++++++++++++++++
You were BEGGING for it, you know you were. So here it is…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
Fred at least you’re trying and that’s where it starts. If I can help you from years of experience, let me know.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
RF @ 8:10
That probably explains the lack of signage for Romney/Ryan. Any other year, you wouldn’t be able to drive 500ft without running into forests of campaign signs. I don’t see nearly as many signs or bumper stickers this year for either party.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
8:52 pm
“When even the North Koreans are not the very last to join in with the rest of the planet, what does it say about you Republicans?”
Only commies, Marxists, and miscreants cite NK as a good example of anything, Jammie.
But the shoe fits…
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:53 pm
Aquagirl…read into that what you want….but there’s more Hoff out there
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:53 pm
Thanks Del. I appreciate it.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
@Fred: my favorite line:
“you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you…”
Why does that make me think of Grover Norquist and Romney?
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Hey! Why didn’t I get to pick someone from Baywatch.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
RF: Funny you should mention that as your favorite line. It’s mine as well lol (well of that scene). When I first watched that movie I was MUCH too young to get all the political jokes and innuendo.
I still haven’t seen the Life Of Brian.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
“I don’t see nearly as many signs or bumper stickers this year for either party”
I teach/live on the edge of the boonies south of the ATL, and I get a laugh out of the drive along the state highways when suddenly there’s this pitiful looking Romney/Ryan sign by a cow pasture. Guess they thought since it smelled like bull-puckey, might as well put it where it belongs…just my guess.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Hey! Why didn’t I get to pick someone from Baywatch.
+++++++++++++++++++
Because it wasn’t a person you wanted thrown in your face it’s a BOOB. Any of the Babe watch chicks would have done for you…….
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
read into that what you want….but there’s more Hoff out there
I’ll take your word on that and stick with the Monty Python, thanks.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:00 pm
Keep,
I know they are not man enough to apologize.
There was no stand down order.
Everything the cons think they know about Benghazi is the usual lies and bs.
I will rub their unpatriotic faces in it.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
9:03 pm
Because it wasn’t a person you wanted thrown in your face it’s a BOOB.
Any Republican would satisfy that criteria and that just would not do.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
getalife: Damn shame you don’t live here or we live there lol. It would be fun to watch the game with you and Brocephus and others……… Hell, I’d BBQ a boston butt………
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
Taxpayer:
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:05 pm
Fred,
Did you figure out the egg?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
9:05 pm
getlife, go for it. Remember in a limbo contest, they have an uncanny ability to hit new lows. In a month or so, the report on the real investigation will be out and they’ll have new lies but the same President. I doubt that the overblown internet testosterone bully wannabe Del will make it much past the election without blowing his top. He’s barely in control of himself now.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
Keep,
I think del will self deport back to Kyle’s.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
Off Topic: I’ve been reading the Kevin Gillespie cookbook my wife gave me for my birthday and it’s made fatboy HUNGRY and I want to cook something. That’s why I don’t watch cooking shows……
I haven’t had a chance to try anything yet, but this is one of the best cookbooks I’ve ever had, and I have over 100……..
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-My-Belly-Real-Cooking/dp/1449411436
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
After reading some of these posts by JamVet & getalife, one wonders, why are you so angry when someone challenges your point of view? You both seem to come back w/ attacks on the individual rather than the topic. Just have to wonder, have you given any thought on how you’re going to react next Wednesday if your guy doesn’t win? Just a thought….and, yes, I have on the reverse.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
Actually i met the Hoff back in the day at Pounds Stables off spaulding…sissy had a pony there too
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:09 pm
getalife: As far as a butt or some ribs go, I have the egg licked. It’s some of the other things I’m still working on. The first Boston Butt I made on the egg was better than any other one I had done before and folks liked the ones I did before.
Josef
November 1st, 2012
9:11 pm
Fred
Yeah, Just call me “a visionary!”
Looks like you got a new boyfriend up in Buford..I’m jealous. He don’t love me no more.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
As far as a butt or some ribs go, I have the egg licked.
There has to be a joke where this is the punchline….
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
usa,
Cry much?
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:14 pm
Josef: You gave away the pink boa lol.
Aquagirl; I’m speechless but you are right lol.
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:14 pm
getalife, you’ve proved my point.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
I teach/live on the edge of the boonies south of the ATL, and I get a laugh out of the drive along the state highways when suddenly there’s this pitiful looking Romney/Ryan sign by a cow pasture.
I’m beginning to see a few more here in Henry, but for the longest, the only signs out were for local races.
—————
Fred
Getalife’s probably gonna be a wee bit sad come Saturday. He’ll probably still be good company though.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
For the Benghazi information seekers…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html
Adetailed CIA timeline of the assault on U.S. facilities in Benghazi paints an anguishing picture of embattled Americans waiting for Libyan security forces who didn’t come and courageous CIA officers who died on a rooftop without the heavy weapons they needed, trying to protect their colleagues below.
It’s a story of individual bravery, but also of a CIA misjudgment in relying on Libyan militias and a newly formed Libyan intelligence organization to keep Americans safe in Benghazi.
While there were multiple errors that led to the final tragedy, there’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts….
The CIA timeline was described to me Thursday by a senior intelligence official.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
USA,
You’re welcome.
Bro,
22 straight at home.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:20 pm
Getalife/Brocephus: Ribs at my house for the game. But only if you BOTH come lol. And you have to bring Josef………. we all know what a big football fan HE is……
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Bro – the one thing I agree w/ getalife is the DAWGS – won’t be disappointed Saturday. Go Dawgs!
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Bro: I’m in Butts, so I’m up your way a LOT. Nothing down here but Ingles and Piggly Wiggly, and I do need some civilization every once in a while. Very closely divided down here by all accounts.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
getalife, you’ve proved my point.
Congrats, you win the Whoop-De-Do trophy. *golf clap*
Racism in the South during the Civil Rights Movement
November 1st, 2012
9:22 pm
Yes, Joseph Lowery has been through more than most of us on this blog. Take a look at the video below. It is hard to believe that Black people were treated like animals just because they wanted to integrate the White schools. If some in the South had their choice, they would love to swing back to the 1950’s. Some of the verbiage from the Klan leader in this video (communist, Marxist, etc.) is the same language that is used towards President Obama today. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:23 pm
Good link Bro,
Did they catch them all yet?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
getalife
All good things come to an end at one time or another. Come Sunday afternoon, the talking heads will still say that Bama hasn’t played anybody yet.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
9:25 pm
Meat, tell me about your patriotism.
Seriously.
And angry?
Me?
I love this place.
Suffering fools who make up stuff and then when challenged to support drift off into the either is just part of the game.
But you are welcome to try your hand!
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
Fred,
I love ribs but having a few over to yell at the big screen Saturday.
I just hope they don’t throw anything at it.
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:27 pm
getalife, my bad, thought you’re a dawgs fan.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
Bloggy bloggy
Who is the craziest lefty on the bloggy?….
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
After scanning the web for news and seeing Kim Kardashian headlined AGAIN in another halloween costume, I have to ask: Am I the ONLY man in America that doesnt’ see her as a fat nassy ho without a single redeeming quality? I wouldn’t watch the sex video that made her “famous” if you paid me. If my dog wandered over and humped her, I have him put to sleep.
Am i too harsh on this useless 1 percenter tramp? She makes Paris Hilton look like Albert Feinstein………
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
“Some of the verbiage from the Klan leader in this video (communist, Marxist, etc.) is the same language that is used towards President Obama today. The more things change, the more they remain the same.”
It’s amazing how much you can get away with by using the tired old rhetoric. Enough people alive today grew up in the Cold War when we had bomb drills and looked for commie missiles under every rock. Amazingly, that same choice of words is recycled and used today as a supposedly proper way to discuss one’s fear of “others” realizing positions of power and influence. Guess we better dust off the bomb prep manuals and clean out the bomb shelters if they win this election.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:29 pm
USA Patriot
The Dawgs had better be careful. This has the smell of a trap game written all over it. We don’t know if the Dawgs that played Florida will show up or if it will be the team that played Kentucky.
————–
RF
I come down that way every now and then. I usually end up in Spalding more though. Got friends out in Pike and we usually meet halfway.
—————
getalife
I don’t think they’ve caught them all. I haven’t seen or heard anything since the initial people got caught.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:29 pm
Bama has an easy schedule
Fact.
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:30 pm
“Am I the ONLY man in America that doesnt’ see her as a fat nassy ho without a single redeeming quality?”
I see her that way too, even if I am predisposed not to be attracted…I’ve seen drag queens that can work it better than that. She’s right up there with Snookie for me.
Racism in the South during the Civil Rights Movement
November 1st, 2012
9:30 pm
I have listened to the video beginning around 18:48 and was blown back because the guy sounded so much like some of the people that blog here.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:30 pm
Am I the ONLY man in America that doesnt’ see her as a fat nassy ho without a single redeeming quality?
Nope. I can agree with you on that one.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:31 pm
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:29 pm
Bama has an easy schedule
Fact.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Damn. That’s two days in a row JM posted something true that i could agree with.
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
Bro, agreed! Hope it’s the GA team that showed up in J’ville. Same with the Falcons, better have what they had in Philli!
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
What does CMA stand for?
Definitely not country music awards….
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
“We don’t know if the Dawgs that played Florida will show up or if it will be the team that played Kentucky”
As long as they don’t bring the Murray from the first half with the Gators, we might be okay. Lord that boy ’bout gave me heart failure throwing it away like that so much.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:34 pm
Fi fi Freddy
Racism in the South during the Civil Rights Movement
November 1st, 2012
9:34 pm
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
call it what you want or sugarcoat it like you want to. I was not born during this time but it is amazing to listen/watch this video and still hear the same B.S. today.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:34 pm
RF: I saw a picture of Snooki without makeup. She looked better than she does with it. She, Snooki, doesn’t evoke my gag reflex like Kim does. I don’t know why, maybe because Snooki wasn’t born with a golden spoon up her ass like Kim was and didn’t have to fake a sex tape to get noticed………. I dunno. I think there is still hope for Snooki. Kim is a lost case.
Morality?
November 1st, 2012
9:34 pm
Have you not forgotten the Rev Rat and his politics from the pulpit Jay? Is his hate filled “G.D. America” O.K. with you? That’s Obama’s preacher preaching politics with Obama in the audience. Obviously Obama approved or he wouldn’t have been there. African Americans have traditionally used the pulpit for politics. Case in point was Martin Luther King. I Have no problem with that – freedom of speech you know. Same for the Catholic priests. Freedom of speech. So you want to suppress and threaten freedom of speech because someone has tax exempt status. That’s Big Brother gub’ment suppression.
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:35 pm
“Bama has an easy schedule”
Looks that way, which doesn’t bode well for them when the playoffs start. They get lazy and overconfident and then hit the wall. We can hope anyway…
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:36 pm
Bama has an easy schedule
Fact.
Bama has the #1 Defense in the FBS. They make their schedule look easy.
Fact.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stats/byteam?cat1=defense&cat2=Total&conference=I-A_all&year=2012
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:37 pm
“I love ribs”
Southern. Yawp.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
9:37 pm
And right on cue, who shows up but immorality.
That guy has racial demons from here to Selma…
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:37 pm
USA,
LSU fan and it will be a competitive game.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
9:38 pm
Oh, the boys are playing with their balls again. I’m out.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:38 pm
Bro 9:36
I was keeeeding man. Damn man…. Jokey joke
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
As long as they don’t bring the Murray from the first half with the Gators, we might be okay. Lord that boy ’bout gave me heart failure throwing it away like that so much.
You mean ANN Murray? That girl needs to stick to singing. We would have a team like Bama if Richt had some balls. He should have pulled ANN Murray after the first half and put Hutson Mason in. Hell, he should START Hutson Mason. Maybe it would cause ANN Murray to pull her head out of her ass, man up and become a FOOTBALL QB!!!!!!!!!!! Instead the 6 million dollar Sunday school teacher gives ANN Murray a huggy a kissy and a pat on the butt and tells him he understands and that Sunday School will be at 9:00 am tomorrow…………
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
“call it what you want or sugarcoat it like you want to”
Actually, I was agreeing with you. Not sure how you took it, but I was being a tad bit sarcastic by mentioning what I look back on as a ridiculous period of fear of basically anything that wasn’t lily white and living in the lower 48. You are absolutely right about the language. They used it to evoke fear and hatred of anything or anyone different.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:40 pm
Sht. I’d even make ribs and BBQ for Jm………
Morality?
November 1st, 2012
9:40 pm
You want to ban politics from the pulpit? That would be illegal. You would be banning freedom of speech. The pulpit does not belong to the gub’ment. It is in the private sector. Better idea – why not take away tax exempt status from Planned Parenthood. Talk about a political group.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
“racial demons”
I thought they were all red. There are different races if demons?
Budumpching
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
jm
gotcha, but couldn’t resist posting that link for bragging purposes…
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
“Oh, the boys are playing with their balls again. I’m out.”
Damn, you got the spy cam working or something?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:42 pm
I thought they were all red. There are different races if demons?
I learn something new here every day. I wonder which race of demons are the angriest…
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:42 pm
Fred
Sir, that is a genuwine compliment
Much obliged
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:43 pm
Fred: don’t diss on my beloved Anne like that!!! Now I gotta fire up the ol’ Ipod and listen to real crooning for a few… So why does he really coddle Murray like that? Anyone else throwing interceptions like that would have been pulled after the second, let alone third one.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:43 pm
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
9:38 pm
Oh, the boys are playing with their balls again. I’m out.
+++++++++++++++++++
There you go with that super sensitive they are trying to pick me up crap again…………
Doggone/GA
November 1st, 2012
9:43 pm
“You want to ban politics from the pulpit? That would be illegal”
Partisan political speech from the pulpit is ALREADY illegal. No one has said anything about banning political speech.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:44 pm
getalife
Is this your handiwork here???
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lsu-tigers-defeat-top-ranked-alabama-crimson-tide-203100499–ncaaf.html
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:44 pm
getalife, yep, should be a good game. Good thing, for LSU fans it’s in LA!
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:45 pm
Bro
The dark red demons are just greedy
The pink ones are into weird kinky stuff
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:45 pm
Fred: some nice “Snowbird” playing. I actually needed some relaxing music after today. Nice choice!
dbm
November 1st, 2012
9:45 pm
While we’re on the subject of who really said what, can anyone tell me if the following quote is really due to George Washington?
“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is FORCE, and, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master.”
It’s a very good quote, and it would be nice to be sure who is entitled to the credit.
Racism in the South during the Civil Rights Movement
November 1st, 2012
9:46 pm
RF, I have listened to this video because a friend was discussing the Georgia Charter School Amendment and wanted me to see this. I was blown away…when the guy starts to speak about how the laws were created and by whom I was in shock…check it out beginning at 18:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:46 pm
RF: What you mean is someone NOT playing for Mark Richt would be benched for that stupid crap. There is a REASON Richt didn’t start at Miami. There is a REASON he was a backup QB in the pro’s who never played. There is a REASON he will never have a Nat’l Championship.
he’s comfortable with being a doormat, playing second fiddle, being first loser (second place).
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:47 pm
Sorry for the demon generalizations
I’m sure some demons are good
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:49 pm
jm
Y’all have fun. gotta call it quits here.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:49 pm
Gee dbm, let me help you out………
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Government+is+not+reason%2C+it+is+not+eloquence%2C+it+is+FORCE%2C+and%2C+like+fire%2C+is+a+dangerous+servant+and+a+fearsome+master.
LaKeisha Jackson
November 1st, 2012
9:50 pm
The law didn’t get enforced, so for all practical purposes it’s just been overturned. If the government had revoked a few church’s tax-exempt status years ago, it would have stopped a lot of pastors and priests and rabbis and imams from taking politics into the pulpit. But the first ones to really do that excessively were African-American church leaders, and the government wasn’t about to mess with the Black church. (It always disappointed a lot of us that our government seemed to feel that we can’t be held responsible for the same laws and rules that the white folks were.)
Mick
November 1st, 2012
9:51 pm
fred
That’s pretty funny about your revulsion to kimmie…I saw the tape quite by accident and here’s a one word description I don’t use much – gross! Yet, she’s famous, it’s the american effing way…
Morality?
November 1st, 2012
9:52 pm
ShamVet – watch your mouth. I have no racial demons – just oppose those who do like the Rev Rat. Like I said I have no opposition to politics from the pulpit….. be it left or right. Jay opposes the Catholics because they oppose Obama’s beliefs which do not coincide with the beliefs in the Bible. You are the Race Card player bud – not me. Obama’s supporters like you always accuse those that do not agree with them of racism. I just pointed out the fact that politics has long come from the left in thee pulpit but JAY doesn’t like it when the opposition does the same. That’s hypocritical. I could care less about your previous hate filled comments either.. ShamVet.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
Man that last link was an epic fail. Sorry.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
Bummer. Bye bro.
On another note bloomberg endorses Obama.
I like bloomberg, but I disagree with his call. Obviously.
I blame my demons.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
Mick: Why couldn’t Morgan Faichild have made a tape lol. I would have watched……..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
9:55 pm
Disputed
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. Attributed to “The First President of the United States” in “Liberty and Government” by W. M., in The Christian Science Journal, Vol. XX, No. 8 (November 1902) edited by Mary Baker Eddy, p. 465; no earlier or original source for this often quoted statement is cited, nor has such yet been found in research done for Wikiquote; later quoted in The Cry for Justice : An Anthology of the Literature of Social Protest (1915) edited by Upton Sinclair, p. 305, from which it became far more widely quoted. George Seldes who initially included it in his Great Quotations (1966) cited to the Farewell Address, stated in the 1985 edition of the work that he had been informed that it is apocryphal.
Unsourced variant : Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:56 pm
JM: So that’s not a rumor eh? I saw that earlier. Why after dogging him for years would Bloomberg endorse the President?
Why did Christie? What underhanded double dealing are “We the People” not seeing that the power brokers are dealing?
Jm
November 1st, 2012
10:00 pm
Fred
People can be critical of the prez and still think he is the better choice
In christie’s case, it is political opportunism combined with a desire to do anything to help his state recover including kissing the derrier of the prez
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:03 pm
Jm: the pink demons are kinda fun at the right party, but I digress….
Bloomber’s endorsement of Obama is about as liked by some as listening to Gov. Christie say nice things about him. But disasters bring out some reality in people, and at the end of the day they’d rather have someone who actually puts feet on the ground and gives them his phone number to call rather than wait a few days to fly over in the jet and look pensive. In a way, we needed this disaster to remind us that we’re all just people in a very unpredictable and uncontrollable world that have to work together every now and then, politics be damned.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
10:04 pm
In christie’s case, it is political opportunism combined with a desire to do anything to help his state recover including kissing the derrier of the prez
to help his state? Or what anyone not conned into being a part of the GOP would say is his job and good government. helping the country you have been elected to serve. too bad more of the GOP haven’t tried it.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
RF
Obama is putting on a show
dbm
November 1st, 2012
10:09 pm
Fred and Keep up the Good Fight
Thank you for your helpfulness.
One person I spoke to suggested it might be in a farewell address Washington wrote for the end of his first term but didn’t use because he was re-elected. Can anyone tell me if such a source is available for checking?
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:09 pm
Bro,
Not me but I agree
Mick
November 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
This new found bipartisanship-
It’s one part humanity and equal part politics; christie is well aware that obama is well liked in jersey so he loses no points by being complimentary, which is always a lot easier when it’s the actual truth…also jeresy/new york is one of the largest media markets in the US, no room for error as a politician…
Mick
November 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
**Obama is putting on a show**
More like a clinic on “how to be president in time of disaster”. Rule number one – act quickly and decisively, so later when you promise the world, the people are just glad that you stabilized the situation…
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
@Jm: “Obama is putting on a show”
Mayyyybe, but the proof will be when the rebuilding starts and how quickly the insurance companies and FEMA respond. If they do well, he gets some props. If not, then there will be one more axe to grind about him I guess.
@Racism: did you notice the line about “sworn enemies of the republic and the constitution…” Sounds familiar and recent doesn’t it? Hard to believe that’s from that long ago considering the rhetoric these days. In the rural areas of our own state, there are charter schools that are, in fact, resegregating the population along racial and socio-economic lines. They throw in enough of the subgroups to pass legal muster, but the intent is clear. You’d think a couple of generations would have changed things, but I guess not.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
I wonder how many gop will break off and actually vote to help the middle class in our President’s second term.
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:18 pm
Mick: a lot of what the president does is just that- offer stability and hope. We look to him to speak calmly and with reserve and hope. For all the heck I give Bush, he did that after 9/11 and did a good job of it. I’ll always give him credit and respect for that, just as I think Obama is doing the right thing and being presidential at a time when people in those hard-hit areas need it.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
Actually, w lied on the bullhorn about getting those responsible for 9/11.
Our President did that.
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:21 pm
@getalife: if they don’t, the midterms will likely be ugly for them. I’m waiting to see how the repubs fare in some of the senate and house races out there now, especially nuts like Akin and Mourdoch. If they win, the midterms could get ugly, because they’ll do nothing but obstruct for at least that long. If the Dems win some of those races and keep the senate majority and pick up a few house seats, then maybe the logjam begins to ease. I’m not entirely hopeful, but let’s face it, they have to work together to keep the automatic budget cuts and tax cut expirations from happening, and that’s coming very very soon.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
10:22 pm
dbm: I was a smart ass on my first reply, but after scanning the links, all I can say is, I just don’t know. How to check what you ask is not my strong point. Others here are much better at manipulating google. It’s a shame Kamchak isn’t on right now, i’ll bet he could nail it down for you. Your question is not cut and dried. It seems part truth and part legend………
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
10:25 pm
Ya’ll stay frosty. I’m going to try to go to sleep. This “cold”is kicking my ass. Maybe my wife IS right for a change and I have pneumonia, I can’t seem to get the crap out of my lungs and cough up a lot of bloody phlegm, not to be confused with blood……..
but after a week I’m tired of this crap.
Morality?
November 1st, 2012
10:26 pm
Politics from the pulpit has never been illegal in this country….. show me where it is illegal. That’s freedom of speech. Why not just eliminate tax exempt status for everyone…… including charities. Is that what you want? Good – do it. We should simplify the entire tax code and remove all deductions and exemptions. Personally I would keep one deduction – for home mortgages.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:26 pm
RF,
We have both parties agreeing the middle class are getting buried in their stump speeches but we only have one party that actually votes to help the middle class. I know because I watch them debate obstruct or vote. I don’t think the gop has to change because they can do or say anything and their voters will vote for it.
The fiscal cliff will be avoided by our President caving on the tax cuts for the wealthy again.
td
November 1st, 2012
10:31 pm
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
Actually, w lied on the bullhorn about getting those responsible for 9/11.
Our President did that.
Where did the intelligence come from to find him and allow Obama to give the order to take him out? Yes, water boarding of a terrorist and Obama took that information and used it after he said it was a crime. Does this not make him a criminal as well?
Jm
November 1st, 2012
10:32 pm
“Rule number one – act quickly and decisively”
Osama
Benghazi
Deficit
BP disaster
Not a single quick or decisive decision there
But he’s still an ok guy
Just a bad prez
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:33 pm
td,
Watch the obl movie to help your patriotism.
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:34 pm
“The fiscal cliff will be avoided by our President caving on the tax cuts for the wealthy again.”
I still think the seats up for grabs in the house and senate may influence that a little. If the repubs win, and they well might, he will probably have to cave. If they lose, and we know what the balance will be come January, they may be forced to negotiate some. There’s room for that and where the income cutoff levels could be, so I’m still hopeful. Gotta be, or I’d be drinking like a fish to cope, not that I’ll be able to afford it with furlough days and insurance premium spikes, but there’s always the cheap stuff!
Jm
November 1st, 2012
10:34 pm
Night night
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:36 pm
jm,
obl, dead.
Benghazi acted in real time.
Deficit, cut a trillion and want to cut 4 more trillion.
BO, unprecedented 9 billion recovery fund from BP.
mitt freaks out after a attack and could not be bothered getting obl.
mitt and christie endorsed our President.
Game over.
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:38 pm
“Yes, water boarding of a terrorist”
My, if it weren’t so late, I’d jump into that one with both feet. We have a far vaster network of intelligence gathering than some thugs in Gitmo getting their jollies watching some good ol’ fashioned interrogatin’. That’s been proven to yield very little credible information. Funny how wanting to breathe will make you say or agree to anything. You can’t possibly, even in the parallel universe of neocon lunacy, prove that helped one iota in locating bin Laden in Pakistan. Show me the proof, while I get a good laugh out of rereading your inane notion.
LeRoi2
November 1st, 2012
10:46 pm
There was just an article this week about how print newspapers continue to lose readers. They listed the top 25 newspapers in the country, along with their readership growth, or shrinkage. Of course, the fish wrapper, AJC, was not even in the top 25. My guess is that the readership of this rag has fallen off a cliff, and columns and opinions expressed by people like Jay Bookman are a large part of the reason.
Not because they are controversial, but because the show a bias, that readers believe colors the objectivity of the news reporting. No one wants to be told how or what to think, or worse, be treated like they are stupid, ignorant, or uneducated, because they hold views different from the political bias of the editors. AJC, just a horrible, biased, and poorly written excuse of a paper. Jay Bookman, predictable, boring, effete, and wrong.
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
“No one wants to be told how or what to think, or worse, be treated like they are stupid, ignorant, or uneducated, because they hold views different from the political bias of the editors”
Only Fox News personalities and viewers are allowed to call anyone ignorant or tell them how to think. Comes from all the overexposure to brain-dissolving nonsense blabbered incessantly. If you don’t like the conversation, don’t stop on the sidewalk. Go on down the street to Kyle’s blog. You’ll feel much more comfortable there, I assure you.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
10:51 pm
You have to question the Catholic church on allowing the gop to get their filthy corrupt hands on SS and Medicare to end them and give the gop another opportunity to destroy our country again.
RF
November 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
Last tidbit for the night: A little shout out from Grove Norquist that puts the Romney/Ryan ticket in its proper light.
”
All we have to do is replace Obama. … We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”
The requirement for president?
“Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.”
So much for the balance of power in the freakin’ Constitution, huh?
Here’s the bumper sticker: “All We Need Is A Pen. Romney/Ryan 2012
Move over USinUK, there might be a few million expatriates looking for a sane place to live if Capt. Ryan gets the helm of the Titanic…
Sweet dream, children. Somebody lock the basement door before td gets back up the stairs, please.
RF
November 1st, 2012
11:22 pm
should have typed Capt. Romney, but it’s hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. The problem with the hive mind is that they start to look and sound alike after long enough in the collective…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
11:22 pm
6 days before the election, and I paid $3.29 for a gallon of gas.
I supposed that it is theoretically possible for $6 a gallon by Tuesday.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
independent thinker
November 1st, 2012
11:39 pm
Latest Romney Scandal:
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”You wouldn’t know it from the way Paul Ryan has been championing retired non-union workers of Delphi Auto, but his potential boss – Mitt Romney – made a mint off of a hedge fund investment that sent most of Delphi’s job overseas and hedge fund principals who blackmailed the government into a huge payoff.
Greg Palast has detailed the ugly story on Truthout (reposted from the Nation). It is also the topic of a United Automobile Workers’ (UAW) news conference in Toledo, Ohio, today, as exclusively revealed in a BuzzFlash at Truthout piece by Palast, “UAW Charges Romney With Profiteering From Auto Bailout.”
Ryan is claiming to be upset that former non-union Delphi workers are not getting full pensions, which is grotesquely ironic considering Romney made a career of pension destruction that was part of his vulture capitalism formula. Remember also that — which is Palast’s point about Delphi — the Romneys are still earning more than some 20 million a year in their “retirement” based in large part on investments in firms that cannibalize industry and workers.
Romney’s likely multi-million dollar profit is hidden in Ann Romney’s so-called “blind trust.” In 1994, when Romney ran unsuccessfully against Ted Kennedy for the Senate, Mitt declared: “The blind trust is an age-old ruse.”
The profit from the Romney’s Delphi fund investment, through a hedge fund, came about as the result of extorting the federal government, according to Palast’s account:
Yet without taking billions in taxpayer bailout funds—and slashing worker pensions—the hedge funds’ investment in Delphi would not have been worth a single dollar, according to calculations by GM and the US Treasury.
Altogether, in direct and indirect payouts, the government padded these investors’ profits handsomely. The Treasury allowed GM to give Delphi at least $2.8 billion of funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to keep Delphi in business. GM also forgave $2.5 billion in debt owed to it by Delphi, and $2 billion due from Singer and company upon Delphi’s exit from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The money GM forgave was effectively owed to the Treasury, which had by then become the majority owner of GM as a result of the bailout. Then there was the big one: the government’s Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation took over paying all of Delphi’s retiree pensions. The cost to the taxpayer: $5.6 billion. The bottom line: the hedge funds’ paydays were made possible by a generous donation of $12.9 billion from US taxpayers.
Of course, once the hedge fund Romney was invested in shook the feds down for billions, they went to work on destroying jobs. Where did they ship most of the work. Why, who would have thunk it? China.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17617-romney-made-a-fortune-off-of-extorted-delphi-government-ransom-payment-tell-paul-ryan
Ken
November 2nd, 2012
12:56 am
Over the past 30 years, no one has won the presidency without winning the suburban vote. Bill Clinton’s successful campaigns were built on getting strong support from suburban voters. To some extent, Obama inherited much of the goodwill Clinton earned with this important voting block. Yet, in just four years, Obama seems to have squandered that.
As the suburbs go, so goes the nation. Today, at least, the suburbs are going with Romney.
DawgDad
November 2nd, 2012
1:25 am
Let the Democrats reap what they have sown.
When the Democrats declared political war on the Catholic Institutions they cast themselves on the wrong side of the line not only socially and economically but spiritually as well. They have completely turned many clergy and religious peoples who were long time Democrat supporters, as I have no doubt they will soon discover.
DevilDogOz
November 2nd, 2012
2:29 am
‘It’s perfectly legitimate to question the mixing of politics and religion in the black church, although I think you also have to acknowledge how the tradition arose’. Jay, your most hypocritical column yet…. and that’s going pretty long! So, it’s OK for the Jeremiah Wrights but not anyone perceived as ‘on the right’? Also, universities and hospitals of the Catholic faith are not secular… try going aboard one. They respect other faiths, particularly the universities, but are hardly secular, having a religious charter and mission to deliver care consistent with the faith.
RLJ
November 2nd, 2012
3:39 am
While I don’t think it is wise for a religious figure to endorse candidates for the pulpit, I believe they have as much right to do so as anyone else. The separation of church and states does not forbid religious people from taking political action based upon their religious. In fact a denial of their right to do so is more of a violation of it. However, people of religious faith must understand that they are limited in what they can demand. Government cannot endorse a particular faith, and in my opinion, religious organizations should not receive government funding for their ministries, even their social service ones.
stands for decibels
November 2nd, 2012
5:59 am
mornin’.
I absolutely cannot wait to see the bickering and fighting on these blogs come November 7th.
Some of us will try, as we have in the past, to be mature about it, however it winds up going. That’s much easier said than done, though.
stands for decibels
November 2nd, 2012
6:01 am
I don’t see nearly as many signs or bumper stickers this year for either party.
perhaps the respective organizations have learned that they’re throwing good money/time after bad by putting up those signs?
Orange12
November 2nd, 2012
6:54 am
Price Gouging?
http://www.newjerseygasprices.com/Lukoil_Gas_Stations/Paterson/55685/index.aspx
Aquagirl
November 2nd, 2012
7:14 am
perhaps the respective organizations have learned that they’re throwing good money/time after bad by putting up those signs?
Even the candidates are tired of the traditional politicking and attack ad onslaught.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alzz11k9yMk
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
7:25 am
My absolute favorite quote of this election season.
Aisha Taylor “The President smells like cookies and freedom”
Big smiles my friends, President Obama has got this.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
7:32 am
AQUAGIRL
Interesting piece in the Washington Post about predictions by DEMs about the only strategy BO could use for re-election…
“But the kind of campaign required for the president’s political survival,” they said, “would make it almost impossible for him to govern — not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term. Put simply, it seems that the White House has concluded that if the president cannot run on his record, he will need to wage the most negative campaign in history to stand any chance.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-gerson-the-democrats-who-predicted-the-2012-campaign/2012/11/01/f0baf546-2375-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
7:33 am
GRANNY
What do you mean BO’s “got this”?
tom west
November 2nd, 2012
7:37 am
The Catholic church purports to support life by objecting to abortion as well as the death penalty. Yetthe bishops have never refused communion to politicians who favor the death penalty but do so for those who support the right of women’s access to abortions. Let’s at least be consistent guys.
Verbal Kint
November 2nd, 2012
7:38 am
Hear ye, hear ye..
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/benghazi-blunder-obama-unworthy-commander-in-chief-176736441.html
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
November 2nd, 2012
7:40 am
Obi Wan Ben Gazi again? Won’t wash.
Aquagirl
November 2nd, 2012
7:40 am
Interesting piece in the Washington Post about predictions by DEMs about the only strategy BO could use for re-election…
Nothing personal but an opinion piece on subjective milestones will put me back to sleep.
I don’t think the actual Romney/Obama campaigns have been more over the top negative than other races. Of course I don’t live in a battleground state so it’s easy to say that. But each successive race means more internet jabber, SuperPACS, more money (and thus more ads) and more polarized Americans.
It’s not them, it’s us.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
7:46 am
Stevie
Really?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
7:47 am
VERBAL KINT
Please know that the LIBS on this blog, similar to the main street media are choosing to ignore this issue, just like the WH….the flow of data was a trickle to start and have been completely shut down so not to offer fodder to the other side before the election…too bad for the families of those killed…
The DEMS seem to have taken WH lead and swept this under the carpet in favor of the most negative campaign in history..
Verbal Kint
November 2nd, 2012
7:51 am
Stevie Ray – And that is coming from a newspaper in Harry Reid’s backyard. I would not have found an article like that interesting to link to if it were NRO, Townhall or the like.
I have a feeling many people on this blog are going to be upset next Wednesday morning.
GoodScout
November 2nd, 2012
7:51 am
I was at a rural Catholic parish in Vermont Sunday and a similar homily was pronounced. There’s no doubt it’s a centrally controled political campaign organized at the highest level of the Catholic Church in America. They want to be involved in politics? Running secular businesses like hospitals. Fine. Regulate them. Make them play fair and obey our secular laws. And tax them. Tax them all.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
7:53 am
AQUAGIRL
The point of the article is that two DEMS predicted this scenario and at the time were ostracized by their peers…this historical negative campaign to smear the competition first and defend record if time permits will serve as precedent for elections in coming years…
It’s kinda like beginning post election commentary in advance…
Aquagirl
November 2nd, 2012
7:54 am
The DEMS seem to have taken WH lead and swept this under the carpet in favor of the most negative campaign in history..
Remember to vote sour grapes early and often.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
7:54 am
GRANNY,
Yes…why are you so certain when polls basically are all within margin of error?
Remember the Great Karnac on Johnny Carson…is this you?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
7:58 am
AQUAGIRL
Sour grapes? We will continue to get screwed by a dysfunctional government regardless of who wins…doesn’t matter to me…nothing will change whatsoever….all outcomes out of DC will continued to be flawed and the trajectory of our spending 30% beyond our means will continue and perhaps increase in speed…
Adam
November 2nd, 2012
8:01 am
Scout: By the way, “eye of the needle” in all probability was the name given to the very small entrance that many walled cities had at that time. All of the main gates would be closed at night for safety but a very small gate/opening that could be easily defended might be left open for travelers, etc. A small camel might even be able to pass through the opening rather than having to be left outside ………. a difficult but not impossible happening.
You left out the part about how a rich man’s camel would be so loaded down with stuff that it could not enter.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
8:08 am
“Please know that the LIBS on this blog, similar to the main street media are choosing to ignore this issue, just like the WH”
With so many real issues why waste time on a massively stupid, questionably treasonous, ginned up, political balderdash?
TaxPayer
November 2nd, 2012
8:09 am
Republicans can’t handle the truth.
barking frog
November 2nd, 2012
8:09 am
JoeHusseinMama parse this,
Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment
of religion, nor prohibiting the
free exercise thereof;
Jay
November 2nd, 2012
8:10 am
Verbal, I know that paper well. At one point in my career, I was editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review Journal. In fact, I was the FIRST editorial page editor of the RJ. It is now a quite-conservative outlet that wars with Harry Reid on just about everything and was a strong proponent of Sharron Angle, as wacky as she was.
Racism in the South during the Civil Rights Movement
November 2nd, 2012
8:13 am
RF
November 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
I agree with you 100%. Listening to that video made me realize that racism and hatred is still alive in 2012. Thanks for your thoughts. My friend and I still talk about how this reflects on the Georgia Charter School Amendment. Have a good weekend!!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
8:14 am
Stevie
My Mr.G calls it uterine radar.
Somes gots it and somes don’t.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
8:15 am
Taxpayer
Pretty simple to see why the GOP are running like the wind from that….
Jay
November 2nd, 2012
8:16 am
“the flow of data was a trickle to start and have been completely shut down so not to offer fodder to the other side before the election”
That alleged “complete shutdown” of course explains why David Ignatius, a columnist for the Washington Post with great sources in the intel and foreign-policy communities, last night was able to publish a detailed CIA timeline of events in Benghazi that debunks much of the conspiratorial nonsense being bantered about as “fact.”
http://wapo.st/YczCSt
GT
November 2nd, 2012
8:17 am
When I was a kid I knew the people who fell into my path. In fact I can tell you where most are now. The man that baptized me became the bishop of the domination. I saw him recently at a friend funeral younger than me. He must be in his 90s, but he looked at me, with kind eyes that seem to be another lost art, and decided, rubbing his hand on my head, that the baptism took.
Life moves so much faster now. I show up for an operation and meet a doctor for the first time dress in scrubs that is about to cut on me. I get a minute of very brief introduction and then am put under to really never see this guy again. I go listen to a speaker at my church I never heard of before but am assured by people who keep up with the trends he is the sunshine in a rainstorm. A stranger then tells me to be afraid, be very afraid, and for this he is held in description to C.S. Lewis. I never hear of or see that man again; the fear eventually wore off thank God. Walter Cronkite is dead and in is place strangers that talk too fast like Anderson Cooper took his place. Who the hell is Anderson Cooper?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
8:17 am
GRANNY
How exactly do you know these are “treasonous” or even false charges? Oh, I know, you are taking a page from the Obama hymnal and holding your ears screaming blah, blah blah…
Be nice if we could just get a timeline…stupid?
MiltonMan
November 2nd, 2012
8:18 am
But Jay has no problem with the likes of “Rev” Lowery, “Rev” Jesse Jackson, etc., etc.??? These idiots have been preaching politics for years now.
Aquagirl
November 2nd, 2012
8:19 am
Our con bloggers know more about what happened in Benghazi. Just ask them.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
8:24 am
Stevie Ray
You assume I am as short sighted as you are and that’s a just plain silly.
I suppose I could accuse you of taking a page from the Romney Hymnal and holding your ears and feel like a manly man for the day, but that too would be just plain silly.
Cosby
November 2nd, 2012
8:26 am
What is the point…but nothing was ever said by Jay or the main street media regarding Rev.Wright and GD America nothing about Black Theology that many Black churches preach – hatred…so the Bishop does not like Obama and his marxist ways..so what I do not like Rev, Wright..so there!!!!
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
8:28 am
Will there be any repercussions to those on the right that have shamelessly embellished and promoted ‘news’ about Benghazi that is false?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
8:35 am
JAY
I have no info to suggest any conspiracy but the handling of the matter, the timing and so many conflicting stories about who knew what when as well as the WH bungled communitation efforts leave open questions..
If all the issues relative to “stand down” orders et al are addressed or discredited, I will be the first to fall on sword…ignoring this will not make it go away..
I do read Ignatius regularly and like his stuff…hard to believe more that half of what i read or hear anymore…we will see eh?
Peadawg
November 2nd, 2012
8:36 am
It’s funny that Jay only singles out the Catholic Church then put his “UPDATE” after someone called him out on it.
Is it November 7th yet?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
8:37 am
LORD,
The jury is still out as to vetting of all the “facts” as each group suggests…
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
8:38 am
‘the timing and so many conflicting stories about who knew what when as well as the WH bungled communitation efforts leave open questions..’
Cherry picked, spun, woven into a Fox news narrative and swallowed by the Fox news sheep…thought better of you…
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
8:40 am
‘The jury is still out as to vetting of all the “facts” as each group suggests…’
Some questions, perhaps…but the majority of the noise from Fox just went up in flames. Do you think Fox has been responsible in the manner in which it has handled this story?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
8:41 am
AQUAGIRL
How do you really know what actually transpired? Still much conflicting alledged “facts” remain…A\
Granny,
Short sightedness can certainly be assigned to your “obama’s got this..” posit…
Of course I”m challenging the handling of this and (like all LIBS on this forum would challenge in same fashion if a GOP were in office…guess that’s the difference between us eh?
Jay
November 2nd, 2012
8:42 am
jobs sheets
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
8:43 am
LORD,
Your opinion of course…if shoe on the other foot, this forum including you would be screaming to the hills about why the story changed etcetera….to suggest otherwise is difficult to swallow…
stands for decibels
November 2nd, 2012
8:43 am
It’s funny that Jay only singles out the Catholic Church
From Jay’s original post:
Nor are such statements confined to the Catholic leadership. For example, the Rev. Randy Mickler, head pastor of Mount Bethel United Methodist Church in Marietta
GT
November 2nd, 2012
8:43 am
A cottage industry has never sprung from the African church like it has from the far right zoot suited churches. The black churches were there to comfort the oppressed in their time of trouble, the mega churches we have now are there to reb up the same group that tormented the blacks that congregated in the protection of those churches. No man has ever been elected championing the cause of these poor and downtrodden, from the pulpit of a “black” church. Some have tried but many have failed. No power structure in these churches, except the power of God. Instead of laughing at it “born again” you should admire it, this may be the closest you come to seeing the gates of heaven.
stands for decibels
November 2nd, 2012
8:43 am
Ok, headin’ upstairs to talk jerbs.
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
8:45 am
‘….to suggest otherwise is difficult to swallow…’
Given how easily you swallowed the Fox news narrative on the Benghazi story…not too difficult…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 2nd, 2012
8:47 am
JAY,
Were the September numbers revised downward 50% similar to ADP’s projection? Can’t find anything on this.
Lord Help Us
November 2nd, 2012
8:49 am
‘Were the September numbers revised downward 50% similar to ADP’s projection? Can’t find anything on this.’
Sorry…No. They were revised UP. Better luck next time Mr. Independent.
Aquagirl
November 2nd, 2012
8:49 am
AQUAGIRL
How do you really know what actually transpired?
I don’t. Neither do you, despite your google-fu and overblown ego.
What happened in Benghazi is only knowable by talking to people. We may never know what really happened.Conflicting reports and confusion are an inherent part of the process.
If you just roll with whatever you want to hear and ignore other parts you end up launching idiot wars like GW Bush. Thankfully our present administration is less pompous than that.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 2nd, 2012
8:51 am
Stevie
“Short sightedness can certainly be assigned to your “obama’s got this..”
By you, of course.
You can also assign names to your socks and underpants if you like.
WE all challenge that which we may be problematic. The difference between us is I am much more particular as to whom I take seriously as regards information.
St Simons
November 2nd, 2012
8:56 am
It must be a liberating feeling to be incapable of embarrassment.
(Faux ‘news,’ a.m. raydio, and con blog-dum)
Responsible people in responsible positions don’t have that luxury.
Daniel Jenky, Illinois Catholic Bishop, Orders Anti-Obama Letter to be Read in Diocese | Pandith News
November 2nd, 2012
9:02 am
[...] the letter, reprinted in full on the Atlantic Journal-Constitution’s website, Jenky writes: Since the foundation of the American Republic and the adoption of the Bill of [...]
Matthew
November 2nd, 2012
9:12 am
Many oral contraceptives use fail-safes that result in abortion when preventing conception doesn’t work. Also, if it is a semantics game you are getting into, the definition of pregnancy was changed in recent history in order to test and market contraceptives without the stigma from abortion. Whatever your definition, morning-after pills and most oral contraceptives flush out the zygote after conception.
“In Anglo-American history, at least, government suppression of speech has so commonly been directed precisely at religious speech that a free-speech clause without religion would be Hamlet without the prince.” United States Supreme Court, Capitol Square Review and Advisory Bd. v. Pinette, 515 U.S. 753 (1995)
“Adherents of particular faiths and individual churches frequently take strong positions on public issues including, . . . vigorous advocacy of legal or constitutional positions. Of course, churches as much as secular bodies and private citizens have that right.” United States Supreme Court, Walz v. Tax Comm’n of N.Y., 397 U.S. 664, 670 (1969).
Remember, it was Obama who picked a fight with the Church. That the Catholic Church is willingly facing the possible risk of losing non-profit status over this only vouches for the seriousness of the situation. This is amplified when other faiths risk the same fate for defending Religious Freedom, even when their moral views on this specific matter differ from the Catholic view.
In the end, changing tax status of religious organizations will harm this country more than you or anyone wishing it realize.
Matthew
November 2nd, 2012
9:15 am
I would also like to add that repealing the tax-exemption status from the church will be hard to do without taking it (and the tax-payer funding) from Planned Parenthood. As it is, they openly support Obama and even have campaign commercials for him.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 2nd, 2012
9:34 am
ogop — “The sad truth of what spoiled, self-indulgent and entitlement minded people the American people have become is on full display in the Northeast disaster. It has taken only three days for the people in NYC and NJ to start blaming the Red Cross and the government for not doing enough. Compare this to the Japanese tsunami disaster. The Japanese stuck together and they did not whine, they did not complain”
The hell you say.
You clearly weren’t tuned in to the Japanese media in the days and weeks following the tsunami.
Lorraine Devon Wilke
November 2nd, 2012
2:26 pm
Appreciated your piece and what you had to say, referred to it in an article of mine own. Important to shine a little light on this appalling form of religious harassment:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/02/power-of-the-pulpit-vote-as-i-say-or-else/
trueblueeagle
November 2nd, 2012
2:47 pm
Band the IRS.
When does a pastor or anybody else give up their rights of an being an American because they are in church?
Logical Dude
November 2nd, 2012
5:52 pm
Quoting Jays’ quote of the Bishop: ““By virtue of your vow of obedience to me as your bishop,”
My question is: REALLY???? PRIESTS VOW OBEDIENCE TO A BISHOP?????
I thought it was a vow to God, not to a man. but then, I only went to a couple of RCIA classes, and it was the Pope who was the “closest to God”, and he set the standards for the church. I didn’t realize Bishops had such power that ALL of their clergy vow obedience to them as well.
Anyone want to help clarify that one?
(yes, I know I’m a day late and a dollar short, but didn’t see this addressed on the first page of comments)
Honu
November 2nd, 2012
10:03 pm
Enter your comments here
Paul
November 4th, 2012
11:48 am
Bishop Daniel Janky is pretty hot. I’d totally bone him or be his bottom.
Daniel Jenky, Illinois Catholic Bishop, Orders Anti-Obama Letter To Be Read In Diocese | themcglynn.com/theliberal.net
November 4th, 2012
8:37 pm
[...] the letter, reprinted in full on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s website, Jenky writes: Since the foundation of the American Republic and the adoption of the Bill of [...]
robert landbeck
November 5th, 2012
11:49 am
The abject failure of the ‘church’ to realize any of it’s goals by the intrinsic merit or authority of it’s own teaching is manifest when elements of catholic hierarchy begin entering the political arena. And that failure has lead to the questioning of the very foundations of this ancient borg and may very well represent humanities greatest own goal and intellectual self deception. Could the church fall? Judge for yourself! http://www.energon.org.uk
dbm
November 5th, 2012
7:06 pm
robert landbeck
November 5th, 2012
11:49 am
What complicates this is thst the church is not politicizing something that was apolitical. They are reacting to the government forcing change on them against their will. We can argue about how bad an intrusion this really is, and we can argue constitutional points, but the government is definitely forcing change on them against their will. Thus, at least in this case, it is more accurate to say that they have been dragged into the political arena, rather than that they are using it to compensate for failure elsewhere. If government were more limited, which I maintain should be the case anyway for more fundamental and comprehensive reasons, then this wouldn’t be happening. That way those of us who would rather not be bothered with the church wouldn’t have to be.
dbm
November 5th, 2012
7:09 pm
Oops! “thst” should be “that”. Sorry.