The ban on politics from the pulpit all but gone now
Bishop Daniel Janky
Some of you may recall Bishop Daniel Jenky, head of a Catholic diocese in Illinois, who during Mass last April likened President Obama and Senate Democrats to Hitler and Stalin. He also asked God to “have mercy especially on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ.”
Now, on the eve of the election, Jenky has sent a message to every priest in his diocese, telling them that “By virtue of your vow of obedience to me as your bishop, I require that this letter be personally read by each celebrating priest at each Weekend Mass, November 3/4.”
The mandatory letter states:
Dear Catholic Believers,
Since the foundation of the American Republic and the adoption of the Bill of Rights, I do not think there has ever been a time more threatening to our religious liberty than the present. Neither the president of the United States nor the current majority of the Federal Senate have been willing to even consider the Catholic community’s grave objections to those HHS mandates that would require all Catholic institutions, exempting only our church buildings, to fund abortion, sterilization, and artificial contraception.
This assault upon our religious freedom is simply without precedent in the American political and legal system. Contrary to the guarantees embedded in the First Amendment, the HHS mandates attempt to now narrowly define and thereby drastically limit our traditional religious works. They grossly and intentionally intrude upon the deeply held moral convictions that have always guided our Catholic schools, hospitals, and other apostolic ministries.
Nearly two thousand years ago, after our Savior had been bound, beaten, scourged, mocked, and crowned with thorns, a pagan Roman procurator displayed Jesus to a hostile crowd by sarcastically declaring: ‘Behold your King.’ The mob roared back: We have no king but Caesar. Today, Catholic politicians, bureaucrats, and their electoral supporters who callously enable the destruction of innocent human life in the womb also thereby reject Jesus as their Lord. They are objectively guilty of grave sin.
For those who hope for salvation, no political loyalty can ever take precedence over loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ and to his Gospel of Life. God is not mocked, and as the Bible clearly teaches, after this passing instant of life on earth, God’s great mercy in time will give way to God’s perfect judgment in eternity.
I therefore call upon every practicing Catholic in this Diocese to vote. Be faithful to Christ and to your Catholic Faith. May God guide and protect his Holy Church, and may God bless America.
It is important to note that Jenky’s description is wrong or incomplete on several points. The health-insurance coverage requirement does not apply to churches or church employees involved in its religious mission. It applies only to any secular operation by the church, such as hospitals and universities, just as it would apply to any other business.
More importantly, the policy does not require coverage of abortion. It does require that policies include contraception methods that block implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb, which the church considers abortion.
Jenky is not alone in such statements. Nicholas DiMarzio, a Catholic bishop in New York, expressed similar sentiments last week, warning parishioners that “It is inconceivable to me how Catholics could support such policies. Indeed, Roman Catholics who support abortion rights and vote for a candidate because of those policies, place him/herself outside of the life of the church. In so doing, they also place themselves in moral danger.”
“Is it possible to vote for somebody despite their support for these policies?” DiMarzio asks. “To my mind, it stretches the imagination, especially when there is another option.”
Nor are such statements confined to the Catholic leadership. For example, the Rev. Randy Mickler, head pastor of Mount Bethel United Methodist Church in Marietta, touched on multiple political topics in his Oct. 21 sermon:
In his message, Mickler tells his congregation (9:20 in the posted video) directly accuses President Obama of showing “great hostility toward Christianity, and at times an encouragement toward Islam,” rattling off a long list of alleged such actions, many if not most factually questionable.
For example, Mickler claimed that in June of 2012, the Obama administration banned the use of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps emblems on Bibles to be distributed by the government to our troops. He did not mention that it did so under threat of a lawsuit by a group making the reasonable point that imprinting U.S. government symbols on Bibles could be interpreted as government approval. The Bibles are still being distributed, just as they always have been, but absent the military emblems.
‘I’m not telling you whom to vote for,” Mickler says. “I don’t think God cares who wins this election as much as he cares about how we reflect Christian integrity in a voting booth. It is ridiculous to think that we can divorce our faith from our actions and say, this is secular and this is sacred.”
He also tells the congregation that they face a quandary. “I’m not telling you to vote for the Mormon,” he says. “The Mormon is not a Christian. According to the National Council of Churches, that is a sect, not a religion.”
Technically, federal law still prohibits churches and other groups that enjoy tax-free nonprofit status from engaging in partisan politics. In practice, though, that law is seldom if ever enforced because the political cost of doing so would be prohibitive. And while I don’t have a major problem with that turn of events and accept it as inevitable, I think violating federal law was always one of the more minor risks that religious leaders take when they so flagrantly entangle their churches with the sordid world of partisan politics.
Once you step into that political world, the rules change significantly, and I’m not talking federal or state law.
UPDATE: I put this in comments below, but I’ll add it here as well:
It’s perfectly legitimate to question the mixing of politics and religion in the black church, although I think you also have to acknowledge how the tradition arose. For a long long time, going well back into slavery, the church was the only black institution through which the black political voice could be expressed, and black church leaders the only representatives that the white establishment respected. Separating church and state was not an option to a community allowed only a religious voice.
That said, it is impossible as a legal and practical matter — and as a matter of fairness — to allow that to continue in black churches while trying to enforce the pulpit/politics ban in other institutions. That’s in part why I wrote above that the ban is basically a dead letter from here on out.
– Jay Bookman
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JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:07 pm
And look at our little ex-marine.
He’s in good form tonight, huh?
Maybe he’ll storm off in a another huffnpuff tantrum soon!
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
Erwin,
Free the radical and set yourself free. Open a book. Learning is a terrible thing for you to continue to waste.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
SFD, don’t think Gallup has put up recent polls but if Obama’s carrying Catholics and Evangelicals it would be truly amazing if not unbelievable.
Two things. First off, I mis-wrote–I didn’t realize that the polling I quoted was from 2008, it’s not current, and maybe someone with more time than I can check to see what it looks like today.
That said, I suspect America’s Catholics are a lot more progressive than you credit.
tiredofIT
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
If you have some time to waste try listening to some of the shows and new on the local religious radio stations. You would be surprise ( or not ) by some of the thing you here.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:10 pm
Bro: disappointment with Romney is the norm. I’m amazed at the ginned up enthusiasm for him I’ve seen amongst far-right friends who have just about swallowed their tongues trying to find something, anything supportive to say about the guy. All they can get out is “but that Obama just ruined the country!” and they suddenly have to leave when you press them for details.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:11 pm
Godless heathen,
The Chinese communist party and the American Democrat party are joined at the hip. The Chi-Com’s tolerate Obama’s Muslim leanings for their own expedience.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm7jEA3frY4
for Aquagirl
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:13 pm
Jam,
It’s absurd to equate a political party with the official position of a nation, but you know that. Whatever gets you your jollies.
Mary Elizabeth
November 1st, 2012
8:14 pm
About Joseph Lowery -
I have been out most of today but I did scan a few remarks about Rev. Lowery not only today but yesterday and I feel compelled to share my thoughts below.
My mother, a beautiful Southern woman – inside and out – would have been one year younger than Rev. Lowery had she not died in 2007. Though considered a Southern lady by many for good reason, she nevertheless had strong personal autonony, and she said to our family, when I was a teen, “If I had been born black, I would have been more militant than any other black person.”
Most who are on this blog are about 55 or younger, as best I can size up. That means that you are almost two generations younger than Rev. Lowery. You cannot possibly know what the black people of his generation suffered and endured at the hands of whites of that day. Furthermore, I see no indication at all that Rev. Lowery has aged mentally. I do see a lot of ageism expressed and accepted erroneously as truth on this blog, however. People age differently. Some are young physically and mentally into their 90s as is actress Betty White or singer Pete Seeger (both in their 90s). Some age early, even in their 30s, and die early as a result, as did Elvis Presley, who died in his early 40s.
Rev. Lowery is as sharp as ever, imo, and he probably basically meant what he said, but he also probably did not intend for his words to be so intensely serious as some perceive, based on his personality and past ways of relating to others. But, there probably was anger behind his words, and he probably used exaggeration, more than likely, for making a serious point through a limited kind of humor. From what I have read, Rev. Lowery said that as a young man, he had thought all whites were going to hell, and then he changed in later years to think that only “some” whites would go to hell, I believe that Rev. Lowery probably changed his views to “some” whites because of the change of white people toward blacks which I too remember having happened. But, in the last decade especially, I perceive that there has been a return to more negative judgments by white people of black people (as a group, not individuall), and I believe that Rev. Lowery has been aware of that fact, as I am. His words, whether in humor or not, sprang, no doubt, from a deep disappointment with the white people whom he had trusted had changed in their hearts, but had not as he sees it. (Fact: Only one white Democrat now sits in Congress from Georgia, all the rest are black Democrats. Whites engaged in “white flight” to the Republican Party en masse.) Rev. Lowery’s voice still rings true, in my opinion, even though his thinking makes some uncomfortable. He knows much more about the depth of what has happened between whites and blacks in this state, in deeper understanding and truth, than most who voice now negatives about him.
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When I saw the white Baptist churches of my youth take a stand for segregation, I knew – even as a youth – that they were on the wrong moral side of history. I continue to encourage all to search for your understanding of deeper truths based on your own internal barometers and consciences, regardless of how any of your identified groups direct you to think, and that includes various church groups.
There was good reason that Thomas Jefferson thought most organized religion was composed of unevolved people and, thus, he did not desire to participate in organized religion himself, although he did believe in the beliefs of Jesus Christ. (Jefferson may have been a Unitarian – I forget for certain – but I believe that he was.)
Some are able to transcend even the anger of the injustices perpetuated against them, as did Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (and his father Rev. “Daddy” King), but most are not that elevated. Rev. Lowery has more wisdom than most on this planet even as a 91 year old man, even though he may not have reached a wisdom, devoid of all hate, that Martin Luther King was able to reach even in his 20s and 30s. If we must judge others, we should try to do so with compassion to their unique circumstances rather than based on our circumstances in judging their lives, and not based on their ages or sex, or with platitudes of thought, which is always surface thought.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:15 pm
C’mon neocons.
No other major organizations/governments that you can show us who are allied WITH you on the issue of global warming?
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
You boys ain’t doing your homework, are you?
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:16 pm
Aaaand Erwin finds something to drive me up the wall faster than the “electrons are an OPINION” thing.
Well played sir.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
…ok, I’m flip-flopping again back to my original statement. Had another look at the Gallup page, and I was right–the Catholic demographic is pegged at 51-46 in O’s favor, as of Oct. 28 of this year. Recent enough…
/drive-by
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
I googled “major organizations that deny global warming” and got 10,400,000 hits.
JamVet says there are 2.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
8:19 pm
If you have some time to waste try listening to some of the shows and new on the local religious radio stations.
That’s nuthin’, DirecTV basic has all the prechifying you could possibly imagine.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:20 pm
AmfauxVet,
Good Americans have killed and died killing better brainwashed communists than you just to keep you alive in America, so you can spew your daily stupidity.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
8:21 pm
AP:
“Roanoke, Va. – Mitt Romney’s campaign is running a Spanish-language ad in Florida that claims Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro’s niece would support President Barack Obama. The spot shows a clip of Chavez saying that if he were American, ‘‘I’d vote for Obama.’’ The Venezuelan leader did say that in September, when he also called Obama ‘‘a good guy.’’”
Commies love O’bozo?
That ain’t news, AP. all Marxists do. Everyone knows that.
Duh.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:22 pm
At least the right has something else to focus on now that Benghazi fizzled out.
He is probably right because the right can’t even deal with facts and reality and they think they are totalitarians.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:23 pm
Free the radical and set yourself free
no and why not?
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:23 pm
I googled “major organizations that deny global warming” and got 10,400,000 hits.
I googled “Catholic priests molest children” so I could make a point that google hits =/= units that you’re googling.
I got 666,000 hits, and no, I’m not making that up.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:24 pm
Then cough them up, heathen.
Names, details, facts.
Uh oh!
A tad more research and I’ve got yet more bad news for you climate change deniers in the GOP.
Even the North Koreans have abandoned you!
Huge LOL!
SEOUL, Aug 21 (AFP) – North Korea on Wednesday blamed global warming for the recent droughts and floods that have devastated the impoverished Stalinist state’s agricultural industry.
“The repeated natural disasters that hit the DPRK (North Korea) are attributable to the abnormal weather caused by global warming,” the North’s official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.
It said the weather gradually started changing in Korea from the early 1970s, with temperature and rainfall being seriously upset in the 1990s.
North Korea was hit last year by the longest spell of cold weather in 100 years, followed by record high temperatures in the spring.
Long live scientific ignorance in the Republican Party!
(Looks like our little ex-marine is going to go into full meltdown mode soon.)
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:26 pm
A report came out that said the gop ideology is a failed ideology so what do the gop do?
Ignore it and fight for failed ideology anyway.
They are government waste.
Fire them.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:27 pm
I got 666,000 hits, and no, I’m not making that up.
10 million is more than 666K
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:28 pm
getalife: Why do you hate America?
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:29 pm
“Long live scientific ignorance in the Republican Party!”
Me thinks it will live on into infinity. The hive mind is slow on the uptake.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
The WaPo and CBS are finally getting into the Benghazi questions.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Jam,
I’ve only had time to review the first 5 million hits but there are several “major organizations” that deny global warming. You can do your own research.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
“getalife: Why do you hate America?”
Playing the neocon trump card right on schedule, I see. When faced with facts one can’t accept, the tired hate card gets thrown on the table like an errant ace that isn’t even from the same deck.
Steve-USA
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
godless – “10 million is more than 666K”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ_u3mjqB9I
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
The WaPo and CBS are finally getting into the Benghazi questions.
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Thanks you Mr. Olds. And this is pertinent how?
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Erwin,
you made the statement, “at best an electrons are “feeling” another electrons electromagnetic field” and then proceeded to build an argument using your statement as though I said it. Now go free some radicals. And quit touching so many electrons.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Here’s a little tidbit from the google zone about “major organizations that deny global warming”:
Global Climate Coalition
Founded in 1989 by 46 corporations and trade associations representing all major elements of US industry, the GCC presents itself as a “voice for business in the global warming debate.” The group funded several flawed studies on the economics of the cost of mitigating climate change, which formed the basis of their 1997/1998 multi-million dollar advertising campaign against the Kyoto Protocol. The GCC began to unravel in 1997 when British Petroleum withdrew its membership. Since then many other corporations have followed BP s lead and left the coalition. This exodus reached a fevered pitch in the early months of 2000 when DaimlerChrysler, Texaco and General Motors all announced their exodus from the GCC. Since these desertions, the GCC restructured and remains a powerful and well-funded force focused on obstructing meaningful efforts to mitigate climate change.
That’s just one, the list goes on…
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
10 million is more than 666K
C’mon, heathen, everyone knows you’re not dumb enough to think google hits = number of things googled. You’re stalling until bedtime. “Earth” brings up 1,310,000,000 results. Despite our propensity to trash this planet I’m not sure we have that many extra on hand.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
AG – Aaaand Erwin finds something to drive me up the wall faster than the “electrons are an OPINION” thing.
Well played sir
_______________________
i’ve learned to bring my game w/you
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
Recon, do you need medical assistance? You seem to have a fence post up your buttkus again tonight.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
Speaking of films, Atlas Shrugged II has gone from showing in 1012 theaters to 945 and now it’s only playing in 147.
Probably should’ve been direct-to-video, like porn.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:36 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:20 pm
AmfauxVet,
Good Americans have killed and died killing better brainwashed communists than you just to keep you alive in America, so you can spew your daily stupidity.
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Now what would Jesus say about that answer?
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:37 pm
godless,
I will never ever vote gop to allow them to destroy our country again.
Why will you vote for the gop to do it again?
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
Jammie cites North Korea as a purveyor of truth!
Bwaahahahahahahaha
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
Here’s a couple more of the deniers:
Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
Founded in 1990 by widely publicized climate skeptic S. Fred Singer, SEPP s stated purpose is to “document the relationship between scientific data and the development of federal environmental policy.” SEPP has mounted a sizeable media campaign — publishing articles, letters to the editor, and a large number of press releases — to discredit the issues of global warming, ozone depletion, and acid rain.
Spin: Moreover, climate change won t be bad for us anyway. Action on climate change is not warranted because of shaky science and flawed policy approaches.
Funding: Conservative foundations including Bradley, Smith Richardson, and Forbes. SEPP has also been directly tied to ultra right-wing mogul Reverend Sung Myung Moon s Unification Church, including receipt of a year s free office space from a Moon-funded group and the participation of SEPP s director in church-sponsored conferences and on the board of a Moon-funded magazine.
Affiliated Individuals:S. Fred Singer,Frederick Seitz
Greening Earth Society
The Greening Earth Society (GES) was founded on Earth Day 1998 by the Western Fuels Association to promote the view that increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 are good for humanity. GES and Western Fuels are essentially the same organization. Both used to be located at the same office suite in Arlington, VA. Until December 2000, Fred Palmer chaired both institutions. The GES is now chaired by Bob Norrgard, another long-term Western Fuels associate. The Western Fuels Assocation (WFA) is a cooperative of coal-dependent utilities in the western states that works in part to discredit climate change science and to prevent regulations that might damage coal-related industries.
I can’t imagine any of those folks having a vested interest in denying global warming or anything like profits and investors to protect…riiiiiight.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
whatever TaxPayer….you win
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
del gets like that when he realizes he is losing.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:40 pm
Man, it’s unimaginable, how anyone who calls themselves an American could possibly excuse this feckless administration for the loss of American life in Benghazi.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
whatever TaxPayer….you win
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Help, help, I’m being repressed!
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
LOL Josef, if you are still on. You were proved right at 8:14.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
8:43 pm
del,
The CIA set the facts straight and made you look like silly clowns again.
At what point do you show humility and apologize.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:44 pm
Fred, as usual you have nothing to say…get well.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
“Man, it’s unimaginable, how anyone who calls themselves an American could possibly excuse this feckless administration for the loss of American life in”… Iraq or Afghanistan either, but we HAD to get those WMDs before the boogeyman got ‘em. How did that work out?
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:40 pm
Man, it’s unimaginable, how anyone who calls themselves an American could possibly excuse
this feckless administrationthe feckless Bush Administration for the loss of American life inBenghazi.Iraq.Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:44 pm
Fred, as usual you have nothing to say…get well.
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I’m trying Mr. Olds.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
At what point do you show humility and apologize
getalife, please don’t blog drunk…
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
So heathen, who exactly are these 10,400,000 “organizations”?
LOL.
No, Andy, it just shows just how reactionary and dumb your political party is.
When even the North Koreans are not the very last to join in with the rest of the planet, what does it say about you Republicans?
Seriously!
Now there is NOBODY on your side of the ledger.
Own it, weirdos.
Hell, you thumpers are still trying to contend that evolution is a hoax!
Hopeless with a capital H…
dabir dalton
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
1} The Catholic faith is a mixture of pagan and corrupted Christian doctrines – hence isn’t so much a church as it is a cult.
2} The leadership of the Catholic Church hates Freedom of Religion and has a history of persecuting and murdering those who refuse to bow down to the Pope or dares to disagree with their corrupt teachings.
3} I’ve always thought it ironic that a church willing to commit genocide, burn heretics at the stake and promoted ignorance during the middle ages uses the issue of abortion in order to cultivate an appearance of morality while looking the other way in or era when their priests were sexually molesting children.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
gatalife, No one can help you if you refuse to help yourself, At least try.
Dharma Bum
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
I absolutely cannot wait to see the bickering and fighting on these blogs come November 7th.
I expect at least one death threat, a lot of “suck it [libs/con]s,” a fair amount of “America is doomed,” and a sizable chunk of “Our guy won NYAH NYAH NYAH.”
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
whatever TaxPayer….you win
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Help, help, I’m being repressed!
++++++++++++++++++++++++
You were BEGGING for it, you know you were. So here it is…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
Fred at least you’re trying and that’s where it starts. If I can help you from years of experience, let me know.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
RF @ 8:10
That probably explains the lack of signage for Romney/Ryan. Any other year, you wouldn’t be able to drive 500ft without running into forests of campaign signs. I don’t see nearly as many signs or bumper stickers this year for either party.
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
8:52 pm
“When even the North Koreans are not the very last to join in with the rest of the planet, what does it say about you Republicans?”
Only commies, Marxists, and miscreants cite NK as a good example of anything, Jammie.
But the shoe fits…
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:53 pm
Aquagirl…read into that what you want….but there’s more Hoff out there
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:53 pm
Thanks Del. I appreciate it.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
@Fred: my favorite line:
“you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you…”
Why does that make me think of Grover Norquist and Romney?
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Hey! Why didn’t I get to pick someone from Baywatch.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
RF: Funny you should mention that as your favorite line. It’s mine as well lol (well of that scene). When I first watched that movie I was MUCH too young to get all the political jokes and innuendo.
I still haven’t seen the Life Of Brian.
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
“I don’t see nearly as many signs or bumper stickers this year for either party”
I teach/live on the edge of the boonies south of the ATL, and I get a laugh out of the drive along the state highways when suddenly there’s this pitiful looking Romney/Ryan sign by a cow pasture. Guess they thought since it smelled like bull-puckey, might as well put it where it belongs…just my guess.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
Taxpayer gets a ceded win, I get Hasselhoff thrown in my face.
Hey! Why didn’t I get to pick someone from Baywatch.
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Because it wasn’t a person you wanted thrown in your face it’s a BOOB. Any of the Babe watch chicks would have done for you…….
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
read into that what you want….but there’s more Hoff out there
I’ll take your word on that and stick with the Monty Python, thanks.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:00 pm
Keep,
I know they are not man enough to apologize.
There was no stand down order.
Everything the cons think they know about Benghazi is the usual lies and bs.
I will rub their unpatriotic faces in it.
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
9:03 pm
Because it wasn’t a person you wanted thrown in your face it’s a BOOB.
Any Republican would satisfy that criteria and that just would not do.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
getalife: Damn shame you don’t live here or we live there lol. It would be fun to watch the game with you and Brocephus and others……… Hell, I’d BBQ a boston butt………
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
Taxpayer:
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:05 pm
Fred,
Did you figure out the egg?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
9:05 pm
getlife, go for it. Remember in a limbo contest, they have an uncanny ability to hit new lows. In a month or so, the report on the real investigation will be out and they’ll have new lies but the same President. I doubt that the overblown internet testosterone bully wannabe Del will make it much past the election without blowing his top. He’s barely in control of himself now.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
Keep,
I think del will self deport back to Kyle’s.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
Off Topic: I’ve been reading the Kevin Gillespie cookbook my wife gave me for my birthday and it’s made fatboy HUNGRY and I want to cook something. That’s why I don’t watch cooking shows……
I haven’t had a chance to try anything yet, but this is one of the best cookbooks I’ve ever had, and I have over 100……..
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-My-Belly-Real-Cooking/dp/1449411436
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
After reading some of these posts by JamVet & getalife, one wonders, why are you so angry when someone challenges your point of view? You both seem to come back w/ attacks on the individual rather than the topic. Just have to wonder, have you given any thought on how you’re going to react next Wednesday if your guy doesn’t win? Just a thought….and, yes, I have on the reverse.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
Actually i met the Hoff back in the day at Pounds Stables off spaulding…sissy had a pony there too
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:09 pm
getalife: As far as a butt or some ribs go, I have the egg licked. It’s some of the other things I’m still working on. The first Boston Butt I made on the egg was better than any other one I had done before and folks liked the ones I did before.
Josef
November 1st, 2012
9:11 pm
Fred
Yeah, Just call me “a visionary!”
Looks like you got a new boyfriend up in Buford..I’m jealous. He don’t love me no more.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
As far as a butt or some ribs go, I have the egg licked.
There has to be a joke where this is the punchline….
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
usa,
Cry much?
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:14 pm
Josef: You gave away the pink boa lol.
Aquagirl; I’m speechless but you are right lol.
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:14 pm
getalife, you’ve proved my point.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
I teach/live on the edge of the boonies south of the ATL, and I get a laugh out of the drive along the state highways when suddenly there’s this pitiful looking Romney/Ryan sign by a cow pasture.
I’m beginning to see a few more here in Henry, but for the longest, the only signs out were for local races.
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Fred
Getalife’s probably gonna be a wee bit sad come Saturday. He’ll probably still be good company though.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
For the Benghazi information seekers…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html
Adetailed CIA timeline of the assault on U.S. facilities in Benghazi paints an anguishing picture of embattled Americans waiting for Libyan security forces who didn’t come and courageous CIA officers who died on a rooftop without the heavy weapons they needed, trying to protect their colleagues below.
It’s a story of individual bravery, but also of a CIA misjudgment in relying on Libyan militias and a newly formed Libyan intelligence organization to keep Americans safe in Benghazi.
While there were multiple errors that led to the final tragedy, there’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts….
The CIA timeline was described to me Thursday by a senior intelligence official.
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
USA,
You’re welcome.
Bro,
22 straight at home.
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:20 pm
Getalife/Brocephus: Ribs at my house for the game. But only if you BOTH come lol. And you have to bring Josef………. we all know what a big football fan HE is……
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Bro – the one thing I agree w/ getalife is the DAWGS – won’t be disappointed Saturday. Go Dawgs!
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Bro: I’m in Butts, so I’m up your way a LOT. Nothing down here but Ingles and Piggly Wiggly, and I do need some civilization every once in a while. Very closely divided down here by all accounts.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
getalife, you’ve proved my point.
Congrats, you win the Whoop-De-Do trophy. *golf clap*
Racism in the South during the Civil Rights Movement
November 1st, 2012
9:22 pm
Yes, Joseph Lowery has been through more than most of us on this blog. Take a look at the video below. It is hard to believe that Black people were treated like animals just because they wanted to integrate the White schools. If some in the South had their choice, they would love to swing back to the 1950’s. Some of the verbiage from the Klan leader in this video (communist, Marxist, etc.) is the same language that is used towards President Obama today. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:23 pm
Good link Bro,
Did they catch them all yet?
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
getalife
All good things come to an end at one time or another. Come Sunday afternoon, the talking heads will still say that Bama hasn’t played anybody yet.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
9:25 pm
Meat, tell me about your patriotism.
Seriously.
And angry?
Me?
I love this place.
Suffering fools who make up stuff and then when challenged to support drift off into the either is just part of the game.
But you are welcome to try your hand!
getalife
November 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
Fred,
I love ribs but having a few over to yell at the big screen Saturday.
I just hope they don’t throw anything at it.
USA Patriot
November 1st, 2012
9:27 pm
getalife, my bad, thought you’re a dawgs fan.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
Bloggy bloggy
Who is the craziest lefty on the bloggy?….
Fred™
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
After scanning the web for news and seeing Kim Kardashian headlined AGAIN in another halloween costume, I have to ask: Am I the ONLY man in America that doesnt’ see her as a fat nassy ho without a single redeeming quality? I wouldn’t watch the sex video that made her “famous” if you paid me. If my dog wandered over and humped her, I have him put to sleep.
Am i too harsh on this useless 1 percenter tramp? She makes Paris Hilton look like Albert Feinstein………
RF
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
“Some of the verbiage from the Klan leader in this video (communist, Marxist, etc.) is the same language that is used towards President Obama today. The more things change, the more they remain the same.”
It’s amazing how much you can get away with by using the tired old rhetoric. Enough people alive today grew up in the Cold War when we had bomb drills and looked for commie missiles under every rock. Amazingly, that same choice of words is recycled and used today as a supposedly proper way to discuss one’s fear of “others” realizing positions of power and influence. Guess we better dust off the bomb prep manuals and clean out the bomb shelters if they win this election.
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
9:29 pm
USA Patriot
The Dawgs had better be careful. This has the smell of a trap game written all over it. We don’t know if the Dawgs that played Florida will show up or if it will be the team that played Kentucky.
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RF
I come down that way every now and then. I usually end up in Spalding more though. Got friends out in Pike and we usually meet halfway.
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getalife
I don’t think they’ve caught them all. I haven’t seen or heard anything since the initial people got caught.
Jm
November 1st, 2012
9:29 pm
Bama has an easy schedule
Fact.