The ban on politics from the pulpit all but gone now
Bishop Daniel Janky
Some of you may recall Bishop Daniel Jenky, head of a Catholic diocese in Illinois, who during Mass last April likened President Obama and Senate Democrats to Hitler and Stalin. He also asked God to “have mercy especially on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ.”
Now, on the eve of the election, Jenky has sent a message to every priest in his diocese, telling them that “By virtue of your vow of obedience to me as your bishop, I require that this letter be personally read by each celebrating priest at each Weekend Mass, November 3/4.”
The mandatory letter states:
Dear Catholic Believers,
Since the foundation of the American Republic and the adoption of the Bill of Rights, I do not think there has ever been a time more threatening to our religious liberty than the present. Neither the president of the United States nor the current majority of the Federal Senate have been willing to even consider the Catholic community’s grave objections to those HHS mandates that would require all Catholic institutions, exempting only our church buildings, to fund abortion, sterilization, and artificial contraception.
This assault upon our religious freedom is simply without precedent in the American political and legal system. Contrary to the guarantees embedded in the First Amendment, the HHS mandates attempt to now narrowly define and thereby drastically limit our traditional religious works. They grossly and intentionally intrude upon the deeply held moral convictions that have always guided our Catholic schools, hospitals, and other apostolic ministries.
Nearly two thousand years ago, after our Savior had been bound, beaten, scourged, mocked, and crowned with thorns, a pagan Roman procurator displayed Jesus to a hostile crowd by sarcastically declaring: ‘Behold your King.’ The mob roared back: We have no king but Caesar. Today, Catholic politicians, bureaucrats, and their electoral supporters who callously enable the destruction of innocent human life in the womb also thereby reject Jesus as their Lord. They are objectively guilty of grave sin.
For those who hope for salvation, no political loyalty can ever take precedence over loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ and to his Gospel of Life. God is not mocked, and as the Bible clearly teaches, after this passing instant of life on earth, God’s great mercy in time will give way to God’s perfect judgment in eternity.
I therefore call upon every practicing Catholic in this Diocese to vote. Be faithful to Christ and to your Catholic Faith. May God guide and protect his Holy Church, and may God bless America.
It is important to note that Jenky’s description is wrong or incomplete on several points. The health-insurance coverage requirement does not apply to churches or church employees involved in its religious mission. It applies only to any secular operation by the church, such as hospitals and universities, just as it would apply to any other business.
More importantly, the policy does not require coverage of abortion. It does require that policies include contraception methods that block implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb, which the church considers abortion.
Jenky is not alone in such statements. Nicholas DiMarzio, a Catholic bishop in New York, expressed similar sentiments last week, warning parishioners that “It is inconceivable to me how Catholics could support such policies. Indeed, Roman Catholics who support abortion rights and vote for a candidate because of those policies, place him/herself outside of the life of the church. In so doing, they also place themselves in moral danger.”
“Is it possible to vote for somebody despite their support for these policies?” DiMarzio asks. “To my mind, it stretches the imagination, especially when there is another option.”
Nor are such statements confined to the Catholic leadership. For example, the Rev. Randy Mickler, head pastor of Mount Bethel United Methodist Church in Marietta, touched on multiple political topics in his Oct. 21 sermon:
In his message, Mickler tells his congregation (9:20 in the posted video) directly accuses President Obama of showing “great hostility toward Christianity, and at times an encouragement toward Islam,” rattling off a long list of alleged such actions, many if not most factually questionable.
For example, Mickler claimed that in June of 2012, the Obama administration banned the use of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps emblems on Bibles to be distributed by the government to our troops. He did not mention that it did so under threat of a lawsuit by a group making the reasonable point that imprinting U.S. government symbols on Bibles could be interpreted as government approval. The Bibles are still being distributed, just as they always have been, but absent the military emblems.
‘I’m not telling you whom to vote for,” Mickler says. “I don’t think God cares who wins this election as much as he cares about how we reflect Christian integrity in a voting booth. It is ridiculous to think that we can divorce our faith from our actions and say, this is secular and this is sacred.”
He also tells the congregation that they face a quandary. “I’m not telling you to vote for the Mormon,” he says. “The Mormon is not a Christian. According to the National Council of Churches, that is a sect, not a religion.”
Technically, federal law still prohibits churches and other groups that enjoy tax-free nonprofit status from engaging in partisan politics. In practice, though, that law is seldom if ever enforced because the political cost of doing so would be prohibitive. And while I don’t have a major problem with that turn of events and accept it as inevitable, I think violating federal law was always one of the more minor risks that religious leaders take when they so flagrantly entangle their churches with the sordid world of partisan politics.
Once you step into that political world, the rules change significantly, and I’m not talking federal or state law.
UPDATE: I put this in comments below, but I’ll add it here as well:
It’s perfectly legitimate to question the mixing of politics and religion in the black church, although I think you also have to acknowledge how the tradition arose. For a long long time, going well back into slavery, the church was the only black institution through which the black political voice could be expressed, and black church leaders the only representatives that the white establishment respected. Separating church and state was not an option to a community allowed only a religious voice.
That said, it is impossible as a legal and practical matter — and as a matter of fairness — to allow that to continue in black churches while trying to enforce the pulpit/politics ban in other institutions. That’s in part why I wrote above that the ban is basically a dead letter from here on out.
– Jay Bookman
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F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
Another lib ilk religious doctrine worships renewable fuels. I saw that those Jersey folks suffering from Sandy are starving for gasoline for cars, generators, pumps, etc.
How dare they!!!!
O’bozo was there yesterday and promised all the windmills and solar panels they could use. He then cut a commercial for the POS Volt.
Problem solved!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
no Racist…. your comprehension is aparently on par with your nonexistent analytical skills.
Round about
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
“Probably the only “totally true” post of the day. Congrats!!!”
Are you saying that except for your last post, you have been lying all day?
Krystal'sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
Don’t waste your time @JL with me on it. You lose credibility with your moniker. It’s weak. It’s like calling the raped a rapist, or the murdered a murderer. We know better.
Furthermore, Jeremiah Wright performed the wedding ceremony for a family member of mine, so suffice it to say I have PERSONALLY sat in his church on a couple of occasions and even visited a couple times. Suffice it to say that I also know from my personal experience how the media portrays anything that we do whether it be in a negative light or a positive light. It’s all propaganda they fed you and you ate it up willingly, because it plays to your personal prejudices and fears. Obama had to distance himself for the sake of winning the Presidency. I know people in that Church, and yes some are Caucasian…and no they are not out to get “Whitey”. But hey, if it makes you feel better to think that they do, then knock yourself out.
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
Jay
November 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
The polling numbers say that Obama has a significant lead among Catholic voters, which is explained in part by his strong support in the Latino community. However, even among white Catholics, he and Romney are roughly even in the polls I’ve seen.
If Catholic leaders make voting a test of their parishioners’ faith, the church may end up on the losing end of that arrangement in many cases.
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In Europe at one time most countries had state religions. Europe has become more non-religious than the US. The best way to make people cynical of religion is for religion to get involved in politics.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:28 pm
Newspaper reporters, like people in every other walk of life, come in all shapes, sizes, competencies and moral character, Godless.
Georgia
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
The Japanese Hurricane catastrophe included Nuclear Plant spillage. That’s why their praise for government relief was so glowing.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
And by saying that, I’m casting no aspersions on the professionalism of the reporter on the Lowery story. The piece seemed competently assembled and reported.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
“aparently”?
Your grammar and spelling is “apparently” on par with your nonexistent analytical skills.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:30 pm
Georgia
November 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
Whoa! I heard a rimshot after reading your post.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
Jay
Newspaper reporters, like people in every other walk of life, come in all shapes, sizes, competencies and moral character,
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I am so not going there
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
heathen
“A newspaper reporter wouldn’t take a statement out of context.”
Nev-uh! Hush yo mouf!
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
Well you could probably call Mayor Howard yourself and get a straight accounting of the Reverend’s statement. Mayor Howard is very approachable and I’m sure he would not mind speaking to a reporter from a big city newspaper.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Krystal’sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
“Obama had to distance himself for the sake of winning the Presidency.”
Yep, he was really committed to that church, now wasn’t he?
Philosopher
November 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Preachers, priests, pastors, etc,. who preach politics have serious issues with power hunger and hubris. TAX THEM! Even Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto Rome, the things that are Rome’s.” Churches should nurture and guide the spiritual and stay the heck out of politics. A person who is spiritually healthy (and I do NOT mean religious!) will make healthy decisions in other aspects of his/her life.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Newspaper reporters, like people in every other walk of life, come in all shapes, sizes, competencies and moral character, Godless.
No doubt.
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
PARSE-ON BROWNLOW
“The piece seemed competently assembled and reported.”
The operative word being “seemed!”
Moderate Line
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
Moderate Line
Jay has gone off on the left before. It’s not a standard practice though, but he has been critical of the left. I would expect that more if he carried a national audience, but as a newspaper opinionist, I don’t expect him to go that route very often. That’s just me though, and one of the reasons why I frequent left and right blogs and sites
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I have no expectations for Jay. He is a partisan. J
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
Racist, before you lecture others about their analytical skills based on a typo, you may be interested to learn that the quote that you attributed to Thomas Jefferson — ““Most bad government has grown out of too much government” — is spurious, and cannot be found anywhere in Jefferson’s work, writings or papers.
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/bad-government-results-too-much-government-quotation
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:35 pm
HEATHEN
“Well you could probably call Mayor Howard yourself and get a straight accounting of the Reverend’s statement.”
Maybe he should, but bets are he won’t…
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
The proof is in the pudding.
—-Thomas Jefferson
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
Europe has become more non-religious than the US
Just read of a study by a research org from U of Chicago.
Only 13% of my peeps (former E. Germany) believe in a god.
Only 9% have a personal relationship with a god (whatever the heck that means)
I’m thinking of joining the Church of Apathetic Agnostics
(we don’t know, and we don’t care)
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
“Nobody would make up a quote on the Internet” – Abraham Lincoln
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
TUNDRA
“I’m thinking of joining the Church of Apathetic Agnostics (we don’t know, and we don’t care)”
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
6:40 pm
Lefties worshiping at the O’bozo alter big big government rejoice! From FoxNews:
“Coming soon: a green tax code for American businesses and individual taxpayers alike? A major tax study currently being sponsored by the U.S. Treasury will give environmental activists a powerful new weapon in their campaign to alter the entire American economic and social landscape in the name of halting “climate change”—including the possible levying of new carbon taxes.”
Our economy craters?
Who cares? Bambi lives! And prosperity dies.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
6:40 pm
…Thomas Jefferson — ““Most bad government has grown out of too much government” — is spurious, and cannot be found anywhere in Jefferson’s work, writings or papers.
What a rube…
Ronald Reagan is not the solution to the problem. Ronald Reagan is the problem. ~Thomas Jefferson
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
6:41 pm
a takeoff on a con theme – bu…bu…Lowery’s not the ballot! duh!
hey, if the cat in the big hat wants to act like an Apostle, maybeh
he should read from the (wait for it) Acts of The Apostles – (chapt 4)
‘Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.’
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:42 pm
Lefties worshiping at the O’bozo alter big big government
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Words do have meaning LOL
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
6:43 pm
“Can we have another round of bogus Thomas Jefferson quotes, please?”
– Thomas Jefferson
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
St Simons
If you’re the one doing the rain dance for me here in Pittsburgh STOP.
It has rained for 6 flippin days LOL
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
Jubilee-ee-ee, jubil-ee-ee, you’re invited to this happy jubilee….
that’s a popular gospel music show down heah.
Don Pardo, tell em what jubilee really means….
Krystal'sBalls
November 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
When I say “distance himself”, I meant from the controversy, which meant the comments, and yes to a degree the MAN who made the comments. Even though the comments in context were not as the anti-Obama “news” outlets made them out to be. Yes, he had to “play the game” because the truth of the matter is, people with your mindset look through a different lens, so being as how one has to make inroads they must do what is necessary. He did not stop being a Christian or abandon his personal faith, which by the way isn’t one’s relationship supposed to be a PERSONAL one? Or is that just more religious mumbo-jumbo? The majority of people were able to see past the propaganda, even though they might not have been comfortable outwardly acknowledging it amongst their “own” for fear of disturbing the whole group think dynamic. Yet he won anyway.I make no pretenses about how things work in this country. I just wish other people stop pretending so that we can begin to finally make some REAL progress.
St Simons
November 1st, 2012
6:47 pm
that’s the clouds dumping weight before they head over
the mountains, dude, not meeeee.
hey, josef can tell you, the rain dance is one of the easiest to do
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
6:48 pm
Falsely attributing a quote to me and getting called on it can shut a sock puppet up fast. – Thomas Jefferson
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:48 pm
Obama was born in Kenya.
Thomas Jefferson
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
6:49 pm
Josef:
There really is such a thing: I’m too apathetic to attend services, tho.
http://apatheticagnostic.org
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:52 pm
He ne ha…
Yeah! But Unmentionable was offering (for a substantial fee in beads of the realm, of course) to do the spiritual no-rain-dance…
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:52 pm
Jay
November 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
I didn’t realize there was just one website covering all of TJs works. What I posted was from a website. Google it if you wish. I don’t have TJ quotes in my head, but I’m sure you do.
Now, about lecturing. Did you respond in a condescending way to the person who originally responded to me? Nah, they fit your ideology. I don’t. Lecture away, Jay.
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
There really is such a thing: I’m too apathetic to attend services, tho
Doesn’t investing a moment to google it automatically disqualify you for membership?
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
TUNDRA
Are they tax-exempt?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 1st, 2012
6:54 pm
josef
Tell Unmentionable to start the no-rain-dance before the moss starts growing on me
GT
November 1st, 2012
6:54 pm
I suspect advertising on the walls of the church is somewhere on the short list of things to get done. Chick filla is already angling for that and practically dressing itself in choir robes which is part of the secret recipe. Religion is more of a style now days than substance, if you look like a person of religion even in a very watered down way like Newt you are in. Supersized and megatized hear me Lord.
Joseph Lowery is a racist
November 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
Condescending Jay, here you go
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/bad-government-results-too-much-government-quotation
josef
November 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
AQUAGIRL
Hmmm…theological hairsplitter, you!
Peter
November 1st, 2012
6:56 pm
The Catholic church is about as hypocritical as any organization goes…… They hide what the priests are doing to boys, the launder money for the mafia, and they will charge you for any help you get from them…example.
A friend was a devote Catholic his whole life…. he was married in the church…when his wife ran off an didn’t want to me married, as she was a drunk, and he didn’t drink…he went to his priest to ask for an annulment of their marriage.
The priest said it would cost some money… when he asked how much the priest replied… ” how much to you make a year ? ”
He never went to his Catholic church again after that.
Carl
November 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
This is standard practice in the Black church. It is only making news now because some White church are doing likewise.
Tired of it all
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
And Rev. Lowery says on 2 occasons, I love white people but alot of them are going to hell!! Then just this past week white folks are gonna be in Hell! Jamvet, or whoever, Baptist churches fed the KKK for years in the south? GOT PROOF?
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
He never went to his Catholic church again after that.
Did he go to Whole Foods in his Cadillac/Mercedes/BMW?
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
6:59 pm
Doesn’t investing a moment to google it automatically disqualify you for membership?
No moments invested. Just clicked on a link a while back. Wasn’t looking for it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 1st, 2012
7:00 pm
Greeaaattttt link, Racist. Did you happen to read it?
I don’t have TJ quotes in my head, but I’m sure you do.
hmmm.. well if you don’t have them in your head, then what is being kept there.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:02 pm
I don’t have TJ quotes in my head…
Hysterical, meat.
You must have been the guy who walked around school with a KICK ME sign taped to his back…
Tundra Dude
November 1st, 2012
7:04 pm
Joseph:
Are they tax-exempt?
Good Q. Too lazy to look it up.
Speaking of taxes, can’t wait for Romney’s new book:
“Tax Avoidance for DUMMIES”
Tired of it all
November 1st, 2012
7:05 pm
Lowery needs to concentrate on all the armed robbers, stabbings, mamas having 5 or more babbies with no husband in sight, children running wild on the street stealing, selling drugs, young girls prostituting, boys pimping these young girls for prostitutes. And ending up shot or in prison for life. But its so much easier to stand in the pulpit on Sunday and blame the white man for all the troubles.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
7:05 pm
“Maybe she’s born with it, maybe it’s Maybelline.”
– Thomas Jefferson
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:08 pm
TIRED OF IT ALL
You sound an awful lot like preacher Lowery to me….
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
“The tree of liberty needs to be fed with the blood of guys who post under new troll-handles every day.”
–Tee Jay
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
“That may be what I said, but that’s not what I meant.”
–Thomas Jefferson Lowery
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:10 pm
SFD
@ 7:09
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
You sound an awful lot like preacher Lowery to me…
Preacher Lowery is 91, what’s Tired’s excuse?
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:12 pm
Tiredofmeat, go crack a book or three on the subject and quit hiding behind your staggering public ignorance and tacit racism, K?
You are absurd for even asking the question.
Seriously.
Edgar Ray “Preacher” Killen (born January 17, 1925) is a former Ku Klux Klan organizer who conspired in the murders of three civil rights activists—James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner—in 1964.[1]
He was found guilty in state court of three counts of manslaughter on June 21, 2005, the forty-first anniversary of the crime. He appealed the verdict, but his sentence of three times 20 years in prison was upheld on January 12, 2007, by the Mississippi Supreme Court.
Edgar Ray Killen was born on January 17, 1925, in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the second of eight children of Lonnie Ray Killen (1901–1992) and Etta Hitt (1903–1983).[citation needed]
Killen was a sawmill operator and a Southern Baptist minister. He was also a kleagle, or klavern recruiter and organizer, for the Neshoba and Lauderdale County chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.
Now quit playing stupid and inform yourself exactly as to why there were no Catholics, Jews or Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Klan.
Or don’t…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
7:12 pm
“Wesa got a grand army. That’s why you no liking us meesa thinks.”
– Thomas “Jar Jar Binks” Jefferson
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
Moderate Line
Both sides spread so much disinformation unless you really try to get at the truth you will never find it.
I don’t think any greater truth has ever been posted here before.
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
Aquagirl…
He’s 92 in the shade?
Ol' Timer
November 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
@ Joseph Lowery is a Racist: You didn’t take you med today, did you! You’re hyper!
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
“Power outages at hundreds of gas stations and a distribution bottleneck due to flooding damage and power loss has caused a gasoline shortage in the New York metropolitan area that may not be cleared up for at least a week, according to industry experts.”
Dude, get a windmill. Or at least a solar panel.
Sheeeeeesh.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
I guess Mayor-for-Life Bloomberg’s endorsement isn’t any big deal/surprise, since I don’t see that anyone’s discussed it amongst the Bookmaniacs?
F. Sinkwich
November 1st, 2012
7:19 pm
Some race baiter, this time named Lowery, hates whitey.
Stop the presses! Dog bites man!
Lowery, Jackson, Sharpton, Lewis, Cummings, etc., are hateful people. But they are lefties so all is good.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:23 pm
Naw, Mitt’s not gettin’ desperate or nothin’… this sort of ad is totally the sort of thing a candidate confident in his prospects for success starts running with two working days to go…
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:24 pm
Now before any of you go to calling Sinkwich a racist, here’s him and his dream lover…
http://www.childrenlovetosing.com/ic/1192398029/Baa%20Baa%20Black%20Sheep.jpg
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
What makes being touched by more electrons than one can count a miracle.
you’d have to touch one before more than you can count….can you count to zero?
willie lynch
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
Given the history of the Catholic church I could care less what they say. Again, another institution whose leadership has no credibility.
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
I was at the Club today waiting for a tee time and a group of fat cat GOPers were at the next table drinking Scotch and talking about how they wished they could pave the whole friggin world and about how smart Romney was to put all that effort into becoming President so that he could start WWIII and pay less taxes. Then one of them started hitting on the waitress and asked her if he could take her home to his trailer. After the bus-boy went by they talked about how they wanted to put “that boy” back in chains. One of them wanted to know how much money he could make polluting drinking water and the rest of them told him that you could never go wrong poisoning people for profit.
Then it got weird so I went to Whole Foods.
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
Hey, *I* want a dream lover, so I don’t have to dream alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmhgc-LpqQo
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:31 pm
Obama has probably thrown away the Catholic vote to solidify the far-left vote, which he’ll probably get anyway.
Tom
November 1st, 2012
7:32 pm
Randy Mickler is a genuine American hero. Can you imagine how much courage it takes to get up and criticize Obama in East Cobb? Such heroism has not been seen since somebody at Berkeley criticized George W. Bush during the Iraq War. It truly brings a tear to the eye.
Freedom Riders 2012
November 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
…get on the bus…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
Given the history of the Catholic church I could care less what they say.
i try to remain fairly agnostic about the RCC myself; there are certainly progressive elements within it who believe in liberation theology, social justice, and all that good stuff.
and there are some guys who have been trying underhandely to influence American elections for ages, Including that guy Ratzi, going back to 2004.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/04/20/684/83575
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
I haven’t been keeping up with what Lowery said, but I denounce it!!!
I also have to come to Tired’s defense a little bit here. I’m not sure what all Tired has said, but that last post was full of some uncomfortable truths… . The truth hurts sometimes but it has to be faced and acknowledged in order to be changed. It’s the same with the wingnuts, until they can own up to W they shouldn’t be allowed to have the checkbook or the keys to the Abrams tank back…
stands for decibels
November 1st, 2012
7:36 pm
Obama has probably thrown away the Catholic vote
Gallup has him leading Romney 51-46.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/US-Presidential-Election-Center.aspx?ref=interactive
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
7:36 pm
godless @7:28…thanks for the chuckle
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:39 pm
Well Bloomturd has come out supporting Obama based on global warming. What a d-bag that the good people of New York voted into office too many times. Pray for the folks in New Jersey and New York who have born the brunt of this storm.
willie lynch
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
I denounce the Pope and his cadre of pedophiles. It’s an insult to Rev. Lowery to be mentioned in conversation with these devils.
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
HEATHEN
Seconding Erwin’s…that was good…!
SFD
Much of the same opinion…the RCC is like just about any other, good, bad, ugly and everything in between…and like with all the rest, it has more to do with who’s in power, when and where…
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:43 pm
SFD, don’t think Gallup has put up recent polls but if Obama’s carrying Catholics and Evangelicals it would be truly amazing if not unbelievable.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
Isn’t it great how the Republicans and North Koreans are the only two major organizations in the entire world that deny man-induced global warming?
What a cute pair they make, huh?
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
I denounce the Jews and the Ragpickers!
TaxPayer
November 1st, 2012
7:47 pm
you’d have to touch one before more than you can count….can you count to zero?
What on earth are you talking about, Erwin. Electrons are all around you, in you, on you. In fact, you sound quite wired up and in need of a discharge. Go ground yourself. It’ll do your body good.
Can you count without zero.
RF
November 1st, 2012
7:52 pm
Obama’s actually tracking better among more moderate Catholics. Of course, the more conservative are tepid, but they’re just that way about everything. I’m not too terribly concerned about the general issue of the thread. I’m used to fiery So. Bapt. preachers telling me how to vote….never worked, but God love ‘em they tried. The people who voted that way were going to anyway, so what the blowhard in the pulpit called for was already a done deal. Lemmings….
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
Isn’t it great how the Republicans and North Koreans are the only two major organizations in the entire world that deny man-induced global warming?
You made that up. There are groups of dissention in every country in the world.
Recon 0311 2533
November 1st, 2012
7:55 pm
JamVet , good job as a committed Bolshevick and beloved follower of Kim Song II and Mao Tse-Tung you certainly make your blog presence felt among your like minded communist party comrades.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 1st, 2012
7:55 pm
“My daughter! O my ducats! O my daughter!
Fled with a Christian! O my Christian ducats!”
– Thomas “Shylock” Jefferson
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:57 pm
RF
You have been reported to the ULANDL…
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
7:57 pm
There are groups of dissention in every country in the world.
They’re called “oil companies.”
josef
November 1st, 2012
7:58 pm
K’chak
@ 7:55
I did NOT write that,,,
Brosephus™
November 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
dB @ 7:15
Both Bloomberg’s and The Economist’s endorsements are more about their disappointment with Romney as opposed to a full frontal endorsement of Obama. They are quite the read when you read them in their entirety
Aquagirl
November 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
Film on Noah’s ark held up by flooding.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=26541
RF
November 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
josef: say it ain’t so!!! I’m likely on a few “lists” here and there…I have a little trouble with the mouth these days as I get older. The filter tends to stick open and what I’m thinking flies out before I have time to check Granny’s list of socially appropriate things to say. But it does make life interestin’.
Erwin's cat
November 1st, 2012
8:04 pm
TP – no….at best an electrons are “feeling” another electrons electromagnetic field…but you have never touched an electron….i’m not pickin on you by a stretch…my point is…you are the one with a faith-based science….you can’t do it, or reproduce it, you have “faith” in the conclusion of others…not sayin’ it’s wrong, but it’s not YOUR opinion…it’s an adopted one…..a closed book is hard to read
godless heathen
November 1st, 2012
8:04 pm
China and the Democratic Party are the only major organizations in the world that support infanticide as a means of population control.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
heathen, groups of dissention (sic) does not equal major organizations.
There are exactly two on the entire planet – one a state government and one a political party.
NO government besides that of the North Koreans denies anthropogenic climate change.
Fortunately for them, they have a fine ally in the Republican Party in the USA.
That’s it. That’s all. There ain’t no more.
You can look it up!