GM on Romney: ‘Campaign politics at its cynical worst’

All political campaigns lie and mislead. We all know that, and that knowledge is “baked into the cake,” so to speak, when it comes to assessing candidates. But this week in Ohio, Mitt Romney’s campaign is conducting a fascinating experiment in political science.

Its apparent goal is to discover whether, in these cynical times, a tipping point exists at which lies become so egregious, so divorced from reality and so potentially destructive to personal lives that it actually creates a significant backlash. There’s a lot riding on the outcome.

As noted yesterday,
Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne has already responded to one Romney ad, trying to reassure frightened Jeep employees that their jobs were not being shipped overseas to China, as the Romney campaign was trying to imply. The Romney camp responded not by pulling the ads, but by cutting a new radio ad in which the lies and economic terrorism are more blatant still.

It states:

“Barack Obama says he saved the auto industry. But for who? Ohio or China? Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler is planning to build cars in, you guessed it, China.”

The message of the ad is clear: The auto rescue effort has failed, and GM is moving 15,000 jobs from the United States to China. Neither is remotely true. However, if you or your family is dependent on the auto industry to pay the mortgage or put food on the table, that kind of message is nonetheless likely to strike terror in your heart.

Which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

To date, GM has attempted to stay as far away from presidential politics as possible, fully aware that the White House is up for grabs and that it may very well find itself needing cooperation from a President Romney. But like Chrysler, GM felt forced to set the record straight, and the blunt language used by the company in its official statement was extraordinary:

“We’ve clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” GM spokesman Greg Martin said. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.”

“At this stage,” Martin said, “we’re looking at a Hubble telescope-length distances between campaign ads and reality.”

Here’s that reality: Yes, GM today employs roughly 14,000 fewer people than it did in 2008. However, most of those job losses occurred early in 2009, before the company went through restructuring. It had nothing whatsoever to do with China, and the company has in fact added thousands of jobs since the restructuring.

And yes, GM, like Chrysler, is now planning to increase production in China for sale in the Chinese market. As the Detroit Free Press points out, Chinese government regulations make it difficult to import vehicles into that huge market. If you want to sell and compete there, you have to manufacture there. Rather than a threat to U.S. jobs, the expansion of GM and Chrysler into China is actually a sign of the companies’ good financial health, because they clearly have access to the capital needed to expand.

Romney knows that. In fact, in other settings Romney has claimed to deserve credit for the very same auto bailout that he now insinuates will benefit only the Chinese auto industry, leaving U.S. workers jobless.

He’s betting that Ohio voters can be easily fooled, easily frightened and easily manipulated. That says a lot about how little respect he has for the people whom he claims to want to serve.

– Jay Bookman

340 comments Add your comment

Zinc

October 31st, 2012
10:14 am

Romney is desperate now. He is diving into Karl Rove’s nasty bag of tricks–don’t fabricate the truth, just lie, lie, lie.

teacher

October 31st, 2012
10:14 am

teacher

October 31st, 2012
10:15 am

HDB

October 31st, 2012
10:15 am

Chrysler has already stated that they are REPATRIATING the profits from China into expanding US capability!! Romney won’t be man enough to tell the people this!!

Too many people want to believe the LIES that Romney spouts rather than to listen to the TRUTH!! Hopefully, people will actually see what’s going on!!!

Buzz Aldrin

October 31st, 2012
10:15 am

Romney should just go campaign in China. Then all the jobs he sends there will be a political gold instead of such a sticking point.

Take the path of least resistance, Mr. Romney.

Mr Right

October 31st, 2012
10:17 am

The only question I have is, are GM and Chrysler planning to expand production into China, if so what’s the big deal?

Maximum

October 31st, 2012
10:18 am

If not for Republican Big Lies, they would never get elected to national office in 21st century America.

Mr Right

October 31st, 2012
10:19 am

What do you think the CEO of GM would say, since they are owned by the gov. which would make Obama his boss?

Peadawg

October 31st, 2012
10:20 am

Is it possible Romney called Jeep out and now Jeep is backtracking? Just wondering…

Doggone/GA

October 31st, 2012
10:20 am

“If not for Republican Big Lies, they would never get elected to national office in 21st century America”

It’s not their lies that get them elected…it’s the gullible people who BELIEVE those lies that elect them

Peadawg

October 31st, 2012
10:20 am

Or possibly Jeep is lying….

Jay

October 31st, 2012
10:21 am

No, Mr. Right, that is not the question.

The question is whether they are taking American jobs to China. Are US auto-industry jobs being outsourced there?

Romney is saying yes; reality is saying no. And for those whose families and livelihoods rely on those jobs, it is quite an important question.

Doggone/GA

October 31st, 2012
10:21 am

“What do you think the CEO of GM would say, since they are owned by the gov. which would make Obama his boss”

When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point.

Common Sense

October 31st, 2012
10:22 am

Unless you have a crystal ball, you cannot tell what these companies are planning to do.

What you do know is that today, their earnings are down even from a year ago, and they will be doing something to change that.

Freedom205

October 31st, 2012
10:23 am

The Romney ad states that “. . . GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler is planning to build cars in, you guessed it, China.”

Jay, your own article states, “Yes, GM today employs roughly 14,000 fewer people than it did in 2008″ and further that, “yes, GM, like Chrysler, is now planning to increase production in China.”

I fail to see this “deceit” that you and GM are trying to cast on Romney’s ad. Your own fact-check article seems to admit to its truthfullness. You try to say that Chinese regulations require the moving of jobs to China if GM wants to compete there. Well, that DOES cost American jobs doesn’t it? What has the White House done to correct China’s behavior? Nothing. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that Romney is saying he will try to correct by getting tough on China when elected. China is not playing by the rules.

Get me Rex Kramer

October 31st, 2012
10:24 am

GM owes the Federal government $25 Billion, which they will never re-pay. They should have gone through bankruptcy to restructure their debts and union contracts. This will not ge the last time the Federal government has to give GM money. Romney actually understands business, where as Obama has no such experience.

Mr Right

October 31st, 2012
10:24 am

When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point.

Does the Gov. own stock in GM?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 31st, 2012
10:24 am

No defense of Romney in this instance…however it doesn’t matter..it simply gives LIBS more fodder for their argument that Romney and the REP party sucks at everything and anything they say or do…just like Kyles forum says the same things about DEMS..

No one will change their vote regardless and will only consider information and opinions that further validate their choice..

This is the vote against Romney at any cost site versus the vote against Obama at all costs site..

OBIWAN

October 31st, 2012
10:24 am

Where is the “Truth O’Meter” on our Liar and Chief Obozo? Oh I forgot this is the Obozo water carrier BLOG….

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 31st, 2012
10:24 am

Creeping Romunism.

The New Red Menace

Morality?

October 31st, 2012
10:25 am

If Katrina was “W”’s fault then it’s fair to blame Obama for Sandy. Where is the lambasting and blame from NBC, etc. ? Could it be that the biased news media had a bias against “W” and they have a bias for Obama? The local and state gub’ment in New Orleans and New York did not listen to the experts and build proper sea walls and that is who is guilty for the flooding – not “W” or Obama. Just shows you how far the leftist news media will go to get their man elected.

hewhoasks

October 31st, 2012
10:25 am

Good to see GM has a realistic view: “…repatriating profits back to this country.” Profits that stay here are profits that cannot be used by Chinese interests to purchase US Treasury Bonds.

Misty Fyed

October 31st, 2012
10:25 am

Kinda like the accusations that Republicans want to take away your medicare…or your social security. Or Republicans will have seniors eating dog food. You know…baseless accusations intent on scaring a demographic into voting against something. …You libs can dish it….but can’t take it.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 31st, 2012
10:26 am

JAY

Seems to me that the threat to auto workers has nothing to do with China and everything to do with techology continuing to replace workers…that trend will not likely change..

Morality?

October 31st, 2012
10:28 am

Truth O Meter is a fabrication – only as good as the people doing the evaluating and they have an agenda.

Jared

October 31st, 2012
10:28 am

@ Morality, no Bush ignored Katrina victims and continued to campeign. President Obama did the exact opposite….sorry

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 31st, 2012
10:29 am

Morality?

October 31st, 2012
10:25 am
If Katrina was “W”’s fault then it’s fair to blame Obama for Sandy. Where is the lambasting and blame from NBC, etc. ? Could it be that the biased news media had a bias against “W” and they have a bias for Obama? The local and state gub’ment in New Orleans and New York did not listen to the experts and build proper sea walls and that is who is guilty for the flooding – not “W” or Obama. Just shows you how far the leftist news media will go to get their man elected.

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It could be that FEMA under President Obama is doing a terrific job.

Like Governor Christie says.

Mr. Silly Trousers.

OBIWAN

October 31st, 2012
10:30 am

Why not tell the truth that Obozo “GAVE” 15 BILLION of your money to sure up the Union retirement account. This is monies that will never get paid back… Is that vote buying? Is that legal? Since Obozo has no clue about how a public company goes into bankruptcy restructuring saves long term jobs. It also gives the company the options to “renegotiate” union contracts… Lord know that the floor sweeper needs $38 an hour, right left wingnuts?

SandyOaks

October 31st, 2012
10:30 am

Road Scholar

October 31st, 2012
10:32 am

“Yes, GM today employs roughly 14,000 fewer people than it did in 2008.”

Have you ever heard of robotics? More efficiency in the auto and other manufacturing and service businesses is one of the reasons we have a higher than desired unemployment rate. Couple that with people who have not gained any new technology driven skills.

As to Romney, I guess the Mormon religion endorses lying…

Morality?

October 31st, 2012
10:32 am

Chrysler is not a U.S. corporation – foreign owned and we need to remember how the U.S. bailed them out only to have them turn down an offer by Ford and remain a U.S. owned entity. Chrysler competes AGAINST the hand that saved them and pays most of their taxes abroad.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 31st, 2012
10:32 am

What is sad is that few on the right seem to care about Mitt’s lies but they are in a tizzy about fictional “Obama’s lies” without evidence. And before the clownish attacks begin, Obama has misspoken, he has spun information, but there are few, if any, proven instances of actual “lies” (knowingly saying false things). Mitt thrives on lies and his campaign has even left up his original whopper of distorting Obama’s quoting McCain and presenting it as Obama’s actual words and thought.

HDB

October 31st, 2012
10:32 am

Freedom205

October 31st, 2012
10:23 am
“Well, that DOES cost American jobs doesn’t it?”

Actually, it didn’t! The abrogation of the union contract via the bankruptcy laws and the restructuring caused the job losses. Now that the auto industry is beginning to grow, some of those jobs will be coming back!!

If you would look at the FOREIGN automakers that are here in the US (Toyota, Honda, BMW), they are following the same plan…to save on the tariffs, they build the cars here…then repatriate the profits into the parent company. Also note that the Asian market differs a bit from the US market in that some vehicles are made with RIGHT-SIDE steering (a la the British)…….

Mr Right

October 31st, 2012
10:34 am

Jay

October 31st, 2012
10:21 am

No, Mr. Right, that is not the question.

The question is whether they are taking American jobs to China. Are US auto-industry jobs being outsourced there?

Romney is saying yes; reality is saying no. And for those whose families and livelihoods rely on those jobs, it is quite an important question.

The ad may imply that the jobs will be moving to China but don’t acually say it, a little bit like the Obama ad implying the Romney killed a woman because of whatever— You didn’t get your britches jacked up over that one!

Steve

October 31st, 2012
10:34 am

It’s all right here folks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

The denial is blatant!!!

Common Sense

October 31st, 2012
10:34 am

Why don’t you take Obama to task on the use of the words “bankrupt” and “bankruptcy”?

Obama has been using the term bankrupt repeatedly to describe Romney’s desire for the GM and Chrysler, when every rational adult knows that it meant “bankruptcy” proceedings.

Is it because it would have been a serious blow to the unions, and not the auto makers themselves?

And no, we will never require all the taxpayer dollars squandered on these two companies, for which the Constitution was sidestepped for.

barking frog

October 31st, 2012
10:35 am

Believe Romney? Believe GM?
Romney has less experience.

Andrew S

October 31st, 2012
10:35 am

More lies and distortion found right here in the comments. GM has fully paid back the US Govn’t. The US government now own 500 million shares of GM stock that was part of the payback along with cash. If the US sold its entire GM portfolio today it would lose about $25B. If/when GM stock rises to or above $50/share, the US will either break even or make a profit. But GM has repayed all of its debt according to terms set by both Bush and Obama.

KenFromCalifornia

October 31st, 2012
10:36 am

i think dubya was criticized for katrina due to the dismal response to the people who needed help afterwards.

“you’re doing a heckuva job, brownie!” will always be remembered for it’s utter lack of accuracy. cnn found scores of people at the morial convention center, and the federal response was, “we didn’t know people were there.” that is a valid criticism.

many presidents had ignored new orleans’ levy system for decades, so no one honestly put blame on dubya for that failure. and certainly the former governor of louisiana takes a lot of blame for her slow response, as well. and let’s not even get into former mayor nagin who didn’t/wouln’t call the national guard to maintain order while looting occurred with complete abandon.

but with people dying in the streets, no food or water in a blistering hot sun, for days after days, the federal government under dubya was nowhere to be found. again, cnn had the boots on the ground to show america that major help was needed immediately.

and how did “brownie” get that job, anyway?

H. E. Pennypacker

October 31st, 2012
10:38 am

Common Sense,

I am not a constitutional scholar, but could you please cite the sections violated or “sidestepped” in providing assistance to GM?

Waz Man

October 31st, 2012
10:38 am

the only reason as to why the republicans are even considered in any elections is because they attach religion to politics. people are very submissive to their religion.

killerj

October 31st, 2012
10:38 am

So who,s lying?,just like other major companies under regulation this is the first step to cheap labor for more profit,you should be worried mopar this is a trend in corporate functions now,remember people, with your word global economy Americans no longer own the companies you work for!,have a good day Jay.

hewhoasks

October 31st, 2012
10:38 am

“Chinese government regulations make it difficult to import vehicles into that huge market.”

Sense something wrong surrounding this, Jay? THEY protect THEIR markets. We…

HDB

October 31st, 2012
10:39 am

Morality?

October 31st, 2012
10:25 am
If Katrina was “W”’s fault then it’s fair to blame Obama for Sandy. Where is the lambasting and blame from NBC, etc. ? Could it be that the biased news media had a bias against “W” and they have a bias for Obama? The local and state gub’ment in New Orleans and New York did not listen to the experts and build proper sea walls and that is who is guilty for the flooding – not “W” or Obama. Just shows you how far the leftist news media will go to get their man elected.

Have you thought that the government REACTION to Katrina is why people lambasted GWB…..and his head of FEMA screwed things up in New Orleans…while the government’s reaction to Sandy is stellar?? Obama PREPOSITIONED the resources fto deal with the crisis…and has communicated with the affected state and local governments to streamline channels to get things rolling??

Remember: “You’re doing a good job, Brownie” abd Kathleen Blanco didn’t hear from Bush for DAYS….vs…..”I’ve talked to President Obama three times…and he gave me his personal phone number”…from Chris Christie!! Who’s on top of the case here???

Peadawg

October 31st, 2012
10:39 am

“And yes, GM, like Chrysler, is now planning to increase production in China for sale in the Chinese market.” – You seem to have validated Romney’s argument w/ that line, Jay.

Btw…ya gotta love far righties and far lefties arguing about who’s side lies more.

Road Scholar

October 31st, 2012
10:39 am

Fiat may be increasing production of their product line in China since Europeans aren’t buying anything because of austerity cuts. Even McDonald’s sales are way down…not because of the food quality…but because most Europeans have less disposable income due to the austerity cuts and their effects.

Mr Right

October 31st, 2012
10:39 am

Jared

October 31st, 2012
10:28 am

@ Morality, no Bush ignored Katrina victims and continued to campeign. President Obama did the exact opposite….sorry

Now that’s a good one! What did Obama do when four Americans were killed on 9 11?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 31st, 2012
10:40 am

After releasing false radio and television ads about the auto bailout, Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign unveiled a new commercial that highlights another one of the candidate’s favorite false claims. This ad, first flagged by the Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, revives Romney’s claim that President Obama has “gutted the welfare work requirement” through a waiver program that Republican governors, including Romney himself, have long asked for….As reporters, fact-checkers, and the directive Obama signed made abundantly clear, the welfare work requirements will remain in place even if states are granted waivers. The major change is that states will be granted more leeway in how they transition welfare recipients into jobs.

At this point, given the prior fact checking, it is clear that Mitt will say anything and stoop to any low to get elected. Clearly he is not as “confident” as he is trying to project about his winning.

featherknife

October 31st, 2012
10:40 am

General motors and Chrysler are muslim conspiracies. Those guys are everywhere.

MIke

October 31st, 2012
10:41 am

I am not defending the practice of distorting the truth for campaign purposes, but this is fit and fiddle with the Obama campaign. For instance the months long insistance that if Romney had his way they would have closed GM and Chrysler and everyone would have lost their jobs. The Obama campaign knew full well that Romney stated an “organized bankruptcy” and that the companies would have restructured and recovered and he also did make the addition to that comment that the government would need to give aid to assist them in restructuring.

What was most absurd was that apparently Obama believed his own campaign and tried to argue with Romney in the debate about the addition of the Govt. assistance to restructure that Romney wrote in his Op-Ed peice. Unfortunately for him Romney actually writes his own stuff and knew what he had written. Obama hadn’t done his homework and even read the Op-Ed which plainly states it as Romeny claimed..

You are an educated man Mr. Bookman and know full well that the Obama campaign was fully distorting the truth. Did this distortion of the Romney’s statements, by the Obama campaign, give you the same degree of angst?

Cherokee

October 31st, 2012
10:41 am

Road Scholar

As to Romney, I guess the Mormon religion endorses lying…

My thought exactly – if I were Mormon I would be appalled at the level of mendacity from this clown, a former leader in their faith.

Brosephus™

October 31st, 2012
10:41 am

Jay

Do I get credit as a contributor to this thread???

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Brosephus™
October 30th, 2012
6:59 pm

I guess this is partly on topic…

http://www.freep.com/article/20121030/BUSINESS01/121030036/1205/business01/Romney-implies-GM-used-U-S-aid-create-jobs-China

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has broadened his attack on President Barack Obama’s auto industry restructuring, implying that General Motors used the aid to hire more workers in China than in the U.S.

“Barack Obama says he saved the auto industry. But for who? Ohio or China?” says the narrator in a radio spot running in Ohio. “Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler plans to start making Jeeps in, you guessed it, China.”

GM quickly defended its performance.

“We’ve clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” GM spokesman Greg Martin said. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.”

First, Chrysler had to set the record straight, and now GM does the same. I thought Romney was supposed to be the business leader, but it seems like he’s the business anger generator.
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East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

October 31st, 2012
10:41 am

US auto manufactures have factories in Europe also for the purpose of making cars to be sold in Europe. Same goes for Asia. Just like Kia and Hyundai manufacture cars in the US for resale in the US. What bothers me more than the boldness of these blatant lies, is that there are people that would believe them.

Get me Rex Kramer

October 31st, 2012
10:42 am

Andrew S

So let me get this straight. The stock price today of GM is $25. It would have to double in price for us to break even. When there are still problems with the company, this could take years. If the feds were to dump all of the stock(500 Million shares) when their shares were worth $25B, then the company stock price would collapse. They could not do that without hurting GM badly. We will never get that $ back, and we will end up having to give them more. Count on it.

Common Sense

October 31st, 2012
10:42 am

Pennypacker,

The bankruptcy court stripped the rights of the bondholders and placed the unions ahead of them. I suggest you Google or Bing it yourself and read about what was done.

Bondholders always come first in bankruptcy court ahead of the unions…until now.

RL

October 31st, 2012
10:42 am

Chrysler would not be here if not for Obama paying off the UAW with taxpayer funds. Period.
Chrysler and GM should be thanking the taxpayer everyday. They still owe us $30 billion.
Talk about politics at it’s worst. Ask the Delphi employees about the bailout. GM, Chrysler and the American taxpayer would be better off if they had had gone into bankruptcy.

indigo

October 31st, 2012
10:42 am

“how little respect he has for the people”

If Romney is really as religious as he claims to be then some of this disrespect comes from his Mormon upbringing. Like all true belivers, he feels his religion is the only true one and only Mormons are sure to go to heaven. This religious “them and us” thinking causes the belivers to truly care only for those like themselves and excuses any and all cruel attitudes towards the “others”. It’s a frightning shame so many Republicans will vote for anyone, even a poisonous person like Romney, just to get Obama out of the White House.

My first 18 years were spent surrounded by extreme fundamentalists and I know just how callous they can be toward the non-belivers.

Spike Dawg

October 31st, 2012
10:44 am

Romney is just trying to keep up with the lies of Obama. He is still far behind in this regard.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

October 31st, 2012
10:44 am

Good word “mendacity”. I gotta make that my word of the day and use it in a sentence.

muddy waters

October 31st, 2012
10:44 am

I can’t beleive how stupid the republicans are. They will beleive anything Romney tells them. Romeny has resorted to out right lying becuase is has nothing left. Jeep is not moving to China. Even the Jeep CEO came out and said Romney is lying about that. Jeep said they plan to sell more cars in China. Export more cars to China. How does Romney twist this story into an ad bashing Obama for moving all the car makers to China. Romney is a complete MORON. He has no credibility anymore. He is considered to be nothing but a JOKE. Romney has no plan except to tell more lies. Romney represents one thing. MORE MONEY for the Koch Brothers and the rest of the freakin RICH idiots. You republicans have been fooled and you still beleive this lie machine. Shame on you.

Common Sense

October 31st, 2012
10:45 am

So the Federal Government loans GM 500 million * $50 in capital, and you do not consider that a loan?

Is the US government an investor then?

Once again, Obama certainly picked a loser.

Tom

October 31st, 2012
10:45 am

Willard is starting to pound the panic button. It’s hilarious.

David Dickman

October 31st, 2012
10:46 am

Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne is the CEO of FIAT that bought Chrysler during the 2009 bailout. The US goverment sold us out to Italy who has building several manufacturing plants in China and have plans of shuting down the US manufacturing plants to build them over in China at slave wages where our technology is sold that will break the US if these action continue. Who should be pissed is the US workers need to wise up that we have to compete and must have unions that weight there action with the world reality on how our citizens neighbor and freinds compete. The Obama administration says those jobs that have been sent to China are not coming back to the US. He is asking four more years to send more jobs to China so foreingers like Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne can reap profits while both unions drag down companies like GM, Chrysler,ect.. and the US federal unions demand a locality pay for all most all federal workers excluding postal workers of a minimum of 14.16% ontop of their normal base pay. Research what is going on for your sef this is to important to continue down the road of selling america to other countries in the Redistribute the wealth. Who has lied just look at Benghazi.

CJ

October 31st, 2012
10:46 am

All political campaigns lie and mislead.

For the record, Jay, I don’t think that such generalizations are fair to those–and there are many–who put forth a good faith effort to run honest campaigns. I agree that many, perhaps most, political campaigns lie and mislead. But not all.

The other problem with this generalization is that it helps justify Romney’s behavior. When a politician lies or misleads, they should be called out on it. We blunt the power of such corrections when we simultaneously (and falsely) assert that they all do it at one time or another.

The truth is that beginning with the very first anti-Obama video that he produced, Romney is putting the notion of post-truth politics to the test. He has made the calculation that if he repeats a lie 100 times for every correction made by the media, then he wins more votes than he loses. Romney has also calculated that he can’t win by telling the truth about Obama’s record or about his own proposals on abortion, contraception, taxes, foreign policy, the auto bailout, and all the rest–hence the lies.

This latest ad is an act of desperation because, well, Romney is holding out hope that he might still win. He won’t. He needs a lot more swing states than Obama, and it’s pretty clear that he won’t get enough of them to pull it off. If Romney was smart, he’d try to go out with a little dignity, but alas…

alex

October 31st, 2012
10:47 am

Jay, Jay-get a hold of yourself. You are completely off base and narrow focused, see the 3rd quarter report by GM released today, see the amt. owed to federal govt.see the money LOST by bond holders and owner of the co.(that’s stock holders for you , the ill informed). Yes, yes the illiterate may read the jobs lost in U.S. have moved to china, but the article does not say that,it is too craftily written… So you have a GM spokesman and CEO defending their company, NO KIDDING, are you so very biased you can’t see that. You are doing no service to Granny by such shotty biased “jounalism”.

So in the END, the U.S. has thousands less jobs and thousands more in china which MAY be a good thing if the cars built in china improves the financial viability of this company. DO recall that these worker will not pay taxes to the U.S..

Ohio wants workers in OHIO,IF this China factory translates into OHIO workers, Ohioans will support the presidents policy, this the President must explain…IF he can, then OHIO is his….fro Freedom 205, excellent point,

Jay

October 31st, 2012
10:47 am

So Rex, how much would it have cost to pay unemployment insurance to the estimated 1.3 million people who would have been put out of work more or less permanently had the U.S. automakers gone under? What would Depression-like levels of unemployment in the nation’s heartland have done to the overall national economy? What would that have done to our GDP and industrial base? Ford has said that most of the auto-parts suppliers that it relies upon probably would have gone under, leaving Ford unable to operate either.

The goal of the rescue operation was not to break even or to make money, even though if you add up all of the costs we would have incurred had the industry collapsed, we may very well have done so. The goal was to save a huge number of jobs, prevent widespread economic devastation through most of the Midwest and keep a major industrial base.

It succeeded on those terms.

Joe T

October 31st, 2012
10:47 am

Chinese market. As the Detroit Free Press points out, Chinese government regulations make it difficult to import vehicles into that huge market. You must build them there. Sounds like a great idea for America. If you want to sell it here, you must build it here until full employment is met. Also sounds like a great thing for out software and pharmaceutical companies which are importing cheap labor from overseas and taking American jobs. This is part of the world wide redistribution of wealth and Americans are just plain stupid not to see it. It is time for Americans to step to the plate and stop corporate and politicians from bullshitting us. Stop illegal immigration from all over the world. Stop using Mexico as a scape goat. The illegals in the software and pharmaceutical companies are not Mexicans.

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October 31st, 2012
10:47 am

Bookman is really getting desparate.

You can tell.

P.S.

1) Headline: “ARE THERE MORE WH BENGHAZI E-MAILS?”

“There is a rumor — I want to be clear, it’s a rumor — that at least two networks have emails from the National Security Adviser’s office telling a counterterrorism group to stand down,” Gingrich said. “But they were a group in real-time trying to mobilize marines and C-130s and the fighter aircraft, and they were told explicitly by the White House stand down and do nothing. This is not a terrorist action.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/31/gingrich-rumor-says-networks-have-white-house-emails-telling-counterterrorism-group-to-stand-down-on-benghazi-rescue/#ixzz2At7zFB6i

2) The White House must have been communicated with Bookman at the time:

JAY BOOKMAN: “The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/17/on-benghazi-the-debate-and-acts-of-terror/

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October 31st, 2012
10:48 am

Excuse me: “been communicating”

Brosephus™

October 31st, 2012
10:49 am

“And yes, GM, like Chrysler, is now planning to increase production in China for sale in the Chinese market.” – You seem to have validated Romney’s argument w/ that line, Jay.

Peadawg

In order for GM, Chrysler, or any other company to compete in China, they have to manufacture there because China puts high tariffs on anything that’s exported from here and imported to China. No business, that intends to stay in business, will increase labor costs here just to build more and export to China. You’re doubling cost that way when you increase labor here AND increase the amount of tariffs you’re paying on your exports. It’s better business sense to manufacture there and sell there to avoid the tariffs. There will be Chinese workers employed there, but there will also be GM people from the US employed there as well.

Do any of y’all honestly think every single employee at Kia in Lagrange is American?

Get me Rex Kramer

October 31st, 2012
10:49 am

Muddy Waters you are a typical liberal. You guys are always right, and anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. I’ll take Romney and his background any day over Obama the community organizer.

Jay

October 31st, 2012
10:49 am

Furthermore, Romney cannot simultaneously claim that he supported the rescue plan and deserves credit for its success AND claim that the rescue plan failed and Obama deserves blame for its failure.

There is no way both can be true unless, as the GM spokesman put it, one believes in parallel universes.

Thank You President Obama for saving General Motors. Mitt Romney said "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt".

October 31st, 2012
10:50 am

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Jim Zien

October 31st, 2012
10:50 am

Why is the Romney ad machine doubling down on misinformation? Read this — http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/opinion/27aamodt.html .

Citizen of the World

October 31st, 2012
10:51 am

Romney’s doing to “trust me” what GWB did to “heck of a job” and “mission accomplished.”

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 31st, 2012
10:52 am

RL

Spot on…difficult puzzle though and the outcomes relative to how much taxpayers will pay via pension benefit guarantee fund remains to be seen but I will likely set a single claim record or at least challenge existing ones…

Basically, the bankruptcy court often releases employer from pension and other benefits obligations to varied extent…the structure of the bailout kept GM from being released in exchange for concessions on retiree benefits and pension costs among other things..

Unfortunately, foreign US manufacturers like Toyota labor costs remain up to 40% lower…the spirit of GM’s settlement was to over time get more competitive from a labor cost with adjustments for existing massive pension and retiree benefit obligations that Toyota does not possess..

Get me Rex Kramer

October 31st, 2012
10:53 am

Jay, all we have done is to insure that GM will never be able to survive without the government propping it up. I take no plesure in anyone losing their jobs, but that is how a free market economy works. It is far from perfect, but way better than a government fueled economy.

WAYNE

October 31st, 2012
10:53 am

So they admit that they are shipping over manafacturing jobs to China and they have lost jobs here so where is the lie. Funny this guy writes an articale and proves a point against himself. Funny how big business accuses politicians of not telling the truth which they dont however if you are to research this you would find just by the company statement that they will be opening up manafacturing jobs in China thats jobs people that we will be losing wake up

LIberal Pariah

October 31st, 2012
10:53 am

indigo paints a perfect picture of Obama and his anti-American upbringing and his sympathies with those ‘folks’, I’m sorry I meant Terrorists

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 31st, 2012
10:54 am

JAY

How many more ways can you clarify your position that Romney and everything he stands for, says or does is wrong and harmful to all of us?

Not sure who has the corner on this market….NYT’s or you…of course there are not shortage of right sheep as well…

mark in mid-town

October 31st, 2012
10:54 am

We’re in the final week of the campaign and the corrupt liberal msm is doubling down, doing whatever they can to re-annoint Obama. The msm has shamelessly been politicizing the storm, looking for every angle possible to rip Romney over it and to praise Obama. Expect to see some stories implying how dare Romney campaign when so many are still suffereing. Any Romney ad is examined with a fine-tooth comb and every exaggeration and misleading element is quickly pointed out. When Obama was spending an unprecedented few hundred million of dollars running deceptive misleading ads trying to define Romney by character-assasinating him, shameless partisan hacks such as Bookman praised the strategy as being “shrewd”. It’s a frigging joke to the extent the msm has become the Obama Palace Guard. In many ways, they’ve become worse than Pravda ever was in the old Soviet Union. We’ll see if it works and they’re able to get Obama over the finish line.

GT

October 31st, 2012
10:55 am

If Romney has such disrespect for the working class in Ohio, why do people think he will be the savior of the middle class? If he is like anything in the car business Romney is like a use car salesman.

Harleynut

October 31st, 2012
10:55 am

What a sad State of affairs the US has become. Yes Mitt will do or say anything to get the top job and the President will do nothing but photo ops to keep it during these last day’s. What can we do as average Americans VOTE and Vote 3rd Party Candidates. Show we are tired of the 2 Corrupt Parties that have been in Power for over 100 Years and have put U.S. into this mess.

Who is Mitt Romney?

October 31st, 2012
10:56 am

Cherokee

October 31st, 2012
10:56 am

I wonder if all you cons have thought through what you’re defending here.

A candidate for President has picked out a specific group of people – auto workers at a Jeep plant in Toledo, and their families – and has deliberately chosen to lie to them to scare them into voting for him.

Sorry but this is despicable, it goes way beyond normal campaign exaggerations. And Mike Huckabee came out yesterday and said if I don’t vote for Romney I’m going to hell?

amazing….

Mary Elizabeth

October 31st, 2012
10:56 am

The discussion can devolve into simply “my facts” vs. “your facts,” i.e. the “definition of bankruptcy” or “the definition of expanding world markets which every corporation hopes for” or citizens can weigh the value of each candidate’s character and past history. President Obama has had the back of the American people for years, i.e. turning around the worst financial diaster since 1929, which took 13 years to overcome then, a stock market rise from 6000 to 13,000 which has secured everyone’s pension, turning around job losses of 800,000 per month when Obama took office, to 32 months straight up of job growth in the private sector, passage of a universal health care plan for all Americans which had been attempted for over a half century and never before accomplished. Gov. Romney has been running for president for years because that personal goal has been his primary focus and he has changed his “convictions” and the “facts” more often than can be counted in order achieve his goal.

Intention matters. The American people must see into intention and they must ask piercing and uncomfortable questions such as why was the deficit run up under President Bush, a Republican, to the huge amount of 10 trillion dollars? When the American people stop believing easy political spin and start looking deeper into character, instead of accepting surface and false manufactured “facts,” they will know which man has their backs, in truth.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 31st, 2012
10:57 am

My wife just sent me a message that her employer has big sign on building saying “vote republican and prosper..”

I haven’t seen any similar signs for DEMS….do they exist?

Thomas Heyward Jr

October 31st, 2012
10:57 am

“All political campaigns lie and mislead.”
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All political campaigns DO NOT lie and mislead.
Just because your worship of the state has degraded and confused your morals,
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Don’t try to denigrate Ron Paul with your sordid little statist collective.
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You had a choice.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 31st, 2012
10:57 am

I thought that when ol’ Mitt came out with that Jeep thing, he shot himself in the foot. This time I think he took deliberate, careful aim at his target and…shot himself in the foot again. This time it will be fatal.

muddy waters

October 31st, 2012
10:57 am

>>>>I’ll take Romney and his background any day over Obama the community organizer.
What background. You mean the silver spoon he was born with. You mean the ability to never start a business of your own. You mean the ability to take companies, sell them off, make a fortune. Did you mean dismantling profitable companies who good jobs in the USA and sending them over to CHINA. You mean excepting millions of dollars from the Koch Brothers so he can be there servant. You mean acting like 47% of american is not worth your time. Please tell me all about Romneys pathetic background.

They BOTH suck

October 31st, 2012
10:58 am

LP @ 10:53

Provide us some details to go along with your post. Please skip the hyperbole, rhetoric and lies.

Thanks

:-)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 31st, 2012
10:58 am

THOMAS

Don’t forget Ross Perot…his charts never rang as true as they do today..

Julia

October 31st, 2012
10:58 am

Fact check for Get Me Rex Kramer: The only auto company that still owes a payback is Ford. The rest are on schedule.

H. E. Pennypacker

October 31st, 2012
10:58 am

Common Sense,

Thanks for the response, but what you are actually citing is historic case law regarding bankruptcy settlements, not the Constitution of the United States or the Bill of Rights. A fair bit of hyperbole if I must say, even if that were true.

Look at bankruptcy case law, there is no rule book that states the exact settlement needed. The unions agreed to a settlement and in return received an ownership interest. Did the bondholders take a big haircut? Sure, but they invested in a company that went under, so that is the free market.

If you are more interested in saving the hedge funds who were snapping up GM bonds for pennies on the dollar in the months leading up to the bankruptcy than the workers, then that is where you and I differ.

You must have been giddy with the financial bailout where in all but a few cases, TARP bailed out our banks and made bondholders whole!

David Dickman

October 31st, 2012
10:58 am

Jay Bookman what nationality is the CEO of Chrysler? I’ll tell you that he is not a US citizen unless he is holding dual citizenship like our sitting president Barack Hussien Obama has citizenship in Indonesia. Our President says if you take a company overseas then he’ll tax it more but he allows them to be sold to non US citizens after hitting the US taxpayer to save these companies you don’t see the Irony in this. Keep smoking weed Jay and blowing the smoke when the truth is told by the Romney campaign.

Rightwing Troll

October 31st, 2012
10:59 am

It’s not Mitten’s fault he lies incessantly… it’s his hoowinked, rube, sycophantic followers who enable the man to lie bigger and bigger by never throwing a bul$hit flag on his lies…

What is disturbing, (besides the unhinged Mittens brigade we see daily) is the ease with which such a fine, moral, upstanding guy like Mittens can utter all the lies, and they are legion at this point…

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

October 31st, 2012
10:59 am

As I understand it, the US government has not officially “lost” money yet on the GM stock. For now these are paper losses until they sell. There are so many shares owned that dumping them would drive down the share price. US can afford to keep the shares and allow the stock price to keep moving and and then begin to slowly unwind the position. Which makes me wonder, does the US government have an online trading account? LOL

Estados Unidos de América

October 31st, 2012
10:59 am

katiec

October 31st, 2012
11:00 am

After all the lies, distortions exaggerations, plans such as school lunch programs for needy children,
FEMA., womens right, many vital programs ryan.romney plan to get rid of, how can anyone support these two irresponsible, radical, dangerous men???
They will try and do anything to try and win this election. Do we want men of their calibar leading our country?? No, we would not survive!

Brosephus™

October 31st, 2012
11:00 am

Unfortunately, foreign US manufacturers like Toyota labor costs remain up to 40% lower…

Well, look at where companies, such as Toyota, are locating their plants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toyota_manufacturing_facilities#United_States

Toyota has facilities in Tupelo, MS; Georgetown, KY; San Antonio, TX; Princeton, IN; Huntsville, AL; and Buffalo, WV. The cost of living in those areas are much less than the cost of living in Detroit. In those places, you can lure people with $18 per hour jobs and get quality workers. In a major city, one person would struggle with cost of living expenses at $18 per hour. That’s earning a little more than $37,000 before taxes.