Jeep: We’re staying in U.S., and Romney is wrong
From the Royal Oak (Mich.) Daily Tribune:
Chrysler Group LLC’s top executive said any statements by presidential candidate Mitt Romney suggesting the company was moving Jeep production from its assembly complex in Toledo, Ohio was simply not true.
“Chrysler Group’s production plans for the Jeep brand have become the focus of public debate,” Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said in a statement on Tuesday.
“I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” he continued. “Jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the United States and will constitute the backbone of the brand. … It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”
Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has begun running ads in Ohio, stating Chrysler planned to move Jeep production to China. Analysts described the ads as part of Romney’s efforts to pry the state’s pivotal 18 electoral votes from President Barack Obama.
The letter from Marchionne, published first in the Detroit News, went on to explain:
“North American production is critical to achieving our goal of selling 800,000 Jeep vehicles by 2014. In fact, U.S. production of our Jeep models has nearly tripled (it is expected to be up 185%) since 2009 in order to keep up with global demand.
We also are investing to improve and expand our entire U.S. operations, including our Jeep facilities. The numbers tell the story:
– We will invest more than $1.7 billion to develop and produce the next generation Jeep SUV, the successor of the Jeep Liberty — including $500 million directly to tool and expand our Toledo Assembly Complex and will be adding about 1,100 jobs on a second shift by 2013.
– At our Jefferson North Assembly Plant, where we build the Jeep Grand Cherokee, we have created 2,000 jobs since June 2009 and have invested more than $1.8 billion.
– In Belvidere, where we build two Jeep models, we have added two shifts since 2009 resulting in an additional 2,600 jobs.
With the increase in demand for our vehicles, especially Jeep branded vehicles, we have added more than 11,200 U.S. jobs since 2009. Plants producing Jeep branded vehicles alone have seen the number of people invested in the success of the Jeep brand grow to more than 9,300 hourly jobs from 4,700. This will increase by an additional 1,100 as the Liberty successor, which will be produced in Toledo, is introduced for global distribution in the second quarter of 2013.”
It’s hard to predict the impact of such events, especially in the media shadow of Hurricane Sandy coverage. But you would think that the Romney campaign’s blatant willingness to mislead and to frighten thousands of Americans unnecessarily about their job security at Jeep would have a serious effect on public opinion and would lead at least some voters to question his credibility on a range of other issues as well. It demonstrates a fundamental lack of respect for those to whom the truth about such matters is critically important.
– Jay Bookman
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Thomas Heyward Jr
October 30th, 2012
4:23 pm
It was 1979—————————————–
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Chrysler Management decided to was time to visit their Uncle Scam.
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The Chrysler bailout was everything Lockheed was – its predecessor in the bailout timeline by 9 years – and more. It was bigger and more expensive. Lockheed had loan guarantees worth $250 million dollars; Chrysler’s were for six times that amount,. The rationale for the rescue of Lockheed, the country’s biggest defense firm, was national defense. With Chrysler, it was the economy, and saving 200,000 jobs in the U.S.
But the big difference between the two was that the Chrysler recue package was much more complex. The terms of the Chrysler loan guarantees required an additional $2 billion in commitments or concessions from: “its own owners, stockholders, administrators, employees, dealers, suppliers, foreign and domestic financial institutions, and by State and local governments. ”
The Chrysler bailout of 1980 was not quite a pre-packaged bankruptcy reorganization. It left the company with the same management team, the same union contracts, the same pension obligations, and the same health care coverage; all the bailout did was buy the company a few more years. Indeed, the pre-bailout industry looked almost identical to the post-bailout industry. None of the Detroit automakers, Chrysler included, received any long-term benefits from the bailout.
Chrysler survived, but a slow necrosis gradually handed over the dominance of the US automobile market to the Japanese, Koreans, and Germans. In 1980, Detroit had a ~75% market share of autos sold in the US. For the first time ever in May 2008, that number slipper under 50%, and its now down to ~48%.
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JamVet
October 30th, 2012
4:23 pm
So Del, who did you insult last night, to the point where dad had to whack your pee pee in public?
Romney…. 320. Bozo…. 218. Count on it.
10,00 bucks, 71?
(HUGE, GARGANTUAN, GIGANTIC LOL AT YOU.)
CJ
October 30th, 2012
4:23 pm
Reading this thread is like living in Alice in Wonderland. Romney lies about Chrysler laying people off and shipping jobs to China, and his supporters respond by claiming that Obama told lies that he didn’t tell. In other words, their defense of Romney’s lie is, well, spreading more lies.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
4:24 pm
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:17 pm
Citizen, Romney ran as a Serious Conservative to get the nomination and now he is tracking to the middle to get elected. ither position suits me better than the far Left President in the WH now.
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Far left?
Dog whistle????
Robert Lee
October 30th, 2012
4:24 pm
So Yaker which is it, mad that corporations don;t pay taxes as they should or that someone other than a con took advantage of the current laws?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:24 pm
L. Pariah — “We knew that Iraq had WMD’s at one point”
Because we had the bills of sale.
“and your enabling friends the Democrats went along with it as well.”
Listen closely, Champ. I have said this at least a dozen times here, but clearly I’m going to have to say it again because you haven’t caught it before. I reserve a special and acidic brand of obloquy for ANYONE — Democrat or Republican — who voted in favor of the invasion.
Plus, you got the details wrong. I didn’t leave the GOP until *after* the invasion in the spring of 2003, so the Democrats weren’t my “friends” yet, your laughably inaccurate guess notwithstanding.
Catch up to the rest of the class, Cowboy.
“I was not happy about that either by the way. Thought we could have gotten OBL without a war.”
I did, too. Which is why I was absolutely baffled by President Bush sending the bulk of our forces to Iraq, not Afghanistan.
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:24 pm
The only thing outed while Obama has been president is Anderson Cooper. Otherwise, I would say you got suckered by the transparency schtick. That’s what happens to sheep.
Adam
October 30th, 2012
4:24 pm
and his supporters respond by claiming that Obama told lies that he didn’t tell.
Sounds about right.
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:25 pm
JHM, at least we agree on the war thingie…:-)
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:26 pm
K71 — “Romney…. 320. Bozo…. 218. Count on it.”
A couple weeks ago, you were claiming 350 for Romney.
Is this some bizarre, backwards eBay auction? Shame Romney can’t find the Buy It Now button on the election, huh?
getalife
October 30th, 2012
4:26 pm
mitt is not real.
A fraud.
Not a leader.
TaxPayer
October 30th, 2012
4:26 pm
Mitt set up a “charitable trust fund” to avoid paying taxes and then had the fund pay a tax-free charitable contribution to himself.
Adam
October 30th, 2012
4:26 pm
On November 7, conservatives can finally understand what “I feel your pain” really means to those of us who had to turn over our stomachs when Bush got re-elected.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
K71 — “Revised…..”Sorry about those 4 Americans killed at our consulate in Libya”, which Bozo described as “not optimal”, “but I have a plane to catch for Vegas”. Is that better?”
I leave it to your conscience regarding whether you have been both honest and accurate.
Though given your past tendencies, that may be an error in judgment on my part, letting you grade yourself.
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
Obama is not real.
A fraud.
Not a leader.
Recon 0311 2533
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
Joe-It’s not panic. It’s more akin to the natural reaction any group of people would have if you strolled in, casually dropped your pants and took a dump on the rug.
Now if Obama relieved himself in the manner you described you and some of the others on here would probably fall to your knees pick up part of the excretion and knead it around in your hands in an act of worship.
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
ZamVet
Inquiring minds want to know…but Squaw boy wasn’t gonna ask…anybody know what it was or who it was directed at? I’m laying money on it being Fred…
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
Joe, 4:26,
Never claimed 350, Joe. Just 320. Ought to be enough, don’t you think?
pogo
October 30th, 2012
4:29 pm
Jay, not on topic but, Southern Company and Georgia power, whom you have spent much time hating upon, are sending at least two thousand and maybe more of their workers to the Northeast to help those people get their power back on. SoCo does this every time there is a weather disaster, even if it is outside of their operating area. But you never point these things out do you?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
Recon — “Now if Obama relieved himself in the manner you described you and some of the others on here would probably fall to your knees pick up part of the excretion and knead it around in your hands in an act of worship.”
We’re smart enough not to eat garbage and waste. You Romney followers, however, will swallow anything that man puts out.
JamVet
October 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
…and your enabling friends the Democrats went along with it as well.
A minority.
As in 43%, right?
As in 57% opposed, right?
You do understand what tha means, right?
Had the vote been solely up to them we would never had seen the biggest f up of an administration in modern American history botch every single thing over there.
You do get that, right?
Had even a moderate number of your beloved neocons had a pair, we would never have gone there.
You do get that, right?
I don’t think these Bushbots do, nor will they ever.
They shiite the bed and then complained when the skinny black guy didn’t make their smell go away quick enough….
Regnad Kcin
October 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
“Zombies are ravenous.
Not unlike a Government agency, they never stop eating at the trough.”
Thomas – how about a link to prove your assertion that zombies eat from a trough?
Brosephus™
October 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
Pariah
Just consider it an open invitation. I’m of the opinion that people think clearly when they are able to view something from multiple points of view. Single minded focus may be great for completing tasks, but I don’t think it works well for analyzing things. That’s just my opinion though.
Simple Truths
October 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
Redneck Convert/Kamchak 2016!
They BOTH suck
October 30th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Now if Obama relieved himself in the manner you described you and some of the others on here would probably fall to your knees pick up part of the excretion and knead it around in your hands in an act of worship.”
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From the same blogger who mentioned a few minutes ago that some of the left leaning bloggers were losing it or something along those lines……..
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:33 pm
K71 — “Never claimed 350, Joe. Just 320.”
I distinctly recall you claiming 350 for Romney 2-3 weeks ago.
That would be in line with some of the predictions I’ve been seeing on some of the more unbalanced con blogs. One brave conservative warrior was calling 400 EVs for Romney about a week ago, and was claiming that *Oregon* was going to go for Romney.
I tell ya, that doofus running UnskewedPolls.com has done more to teach people bad math than used car lots and Rent-a-Centers ever could.
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
4:33 pm
Really liked Christie’s statement today when a Fox reporter asked him whether or not Romney was coming to NJ. This guy ought to be running our country.
JamVet
October 30th, 2012
4:33 pm
Shows you what a schlep I am. I can’t even type 10,000 correctly!
Yet Kay71 seems afraid to take the wager…
I’ll play Flip “I was dead wrong” Robme and you play Ricky “Global Cooling” Perry, OK?
Regnad Kcin
October 30th, 2012
4:33 pm
I wish we could get Redneck’s opinion on this one…
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:33 pm
Dang, looks like the porcus ebrius sui odientes is in the swill before his usual (un)happy hour…
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:34 pm
pogo, Doesn’t fit the evil corporations are greedy and devoid of a soul narrative they need to keep hating American Capitalism. If the govt ran a FEMA operation like WalMart did after Katrina, the victims of these disasters would be better off. Heck, even the Southern Baptists do a better job of disaster relief than the government.
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
4:35 pm
So, jeep has sold over 33K vehicles in Asia YTD, all of that production is going to be moved to low wage Asian workers, and that all fine and dandy with all you liberals? Just checking…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
4:35 pm
Recon 0311 2533
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
Joe-It’s not panic. It’s more akin to the natural reaction any group of people would have if you strolled in, casually dropped your pants and took a dump on the rug.
Now if Obama relieved himself in the manner you described you and some of the others on here would probably fall to your knees pick up part of the excretion and knead it around in your hands in an act of worship.
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That whole post is a cry of desperation.
Try Prayer instead of poop.
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:36 pm
POGO
I was reading where Mississippi has sent two of its rushing water rescue teams…
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:36 pm
JV, you are preaching to the choir. I was not for going to war in any way. Waste of money and lives when all we had to do was take out OBL.
They BOTH suck
October 30th, 2012
4:36 pm
pogo
Isn’t the Southern Company doing that based on contractual agreements with other power companies?
When disasters arise, they send whatever extra capacity they have to the impacted area and other power companies do like wise. They might even send more than the extra capacity and those still here may have to work overtime if required.
I do not know the specifics, but I am sure they are operating under some agreement…….. and that is a good thing.
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
4:36 pm
Joe, 4:33,
The 320 number is based, in part, on the predictions of those two economists from the Univ of Denver who have not been wrong since 1980. Their record is perfect to date. They pay no attention to polls or to social data issues…. only those issues related to the economy. They might be off a few electoral votes but probably not far.
Ben The Independent
October 30th, 2012
4:37 pm
“Jeep production is staying in the US” can mean many things. I’m reading business (not political) news that says Fiat will activate 3 factories in Italy and one will be used for Jeep production. So; does the headquarters remain in the US with manufacturing done elsewhere? Will a percentage of production be moved to Italy? Will all production be done in Italy? Anyway you put it; the statement that “Jeep production stays in the US” is putting a pro-Obama spin on the subject.
JamVet
October 30th, 2012
4:39 pm
kayaker 71
September 2nd, 2012
4:00 pm
Romney will win with a 320 electoral vote majority or I’ll buy you the coldest beer in Atlanta.
Mine will be a Lagunitas Little Sumpin Sumpin Ale, thank you.
(BTW REALLY cold beer ruins the flavors and complexities of beer, which of course, does not matter when you swill that fizzy yellow pee water!)
Lord Help Us
October 30th, 2012
4:39 pm
Pogo and LP. The SoCo crews headed to the northeast are 100% union and will make tons of money on overtime 24/7 until they return to their base. SoCo will bill the utilities for this service and those utilities will pass the cost along to their customers.
That ain’t charity…it’s bidness…
Tealiban Party
October 30th, 2012
4:39 pm
joe
October 30th, 2012
4:04 pm
small businesses – you mean the Jumpstart Our Business Startup (JOBS) Act?
taxes being raised for middle class = Do you mean Obama’s payroll tax cut?
medicare – certainly you are referring to Paul Ryan’s budget, and not the reduction in cost by Obama
social security – Obama making SS sound by asking those making $250,000+ to contribute more?
benghazi coverup – Rose Garden speech transcripts are available. try google.
gun ownership – Yeah, Obama is coming to take your guns. Better hide ‘em.
obamascare – and Death Panels, Oh My!
bowing to foreign leaders – http://www.reformation.org/en-bush-king-abdullah.jpg
bowing to UN – see above
bowing to dictators – see above
crashing US dollar – you should really google USD Index (it was at a value of over 100 in 2000, and was near 70 by 2008)
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:39 pm
BEN
Look up the meanings of two words: relocation and expansion…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
4:40 pm
Watch out for creeping Rommunism.
Union
October 30th, 2012
4:40 pm
meanwhile.. fiat has been in talks with the chinese govt to increase its share in the largest market in the world.. im sure they wont have to give much in concessions..
RF
October 30th, 2012
4:40 pm
This is just more of the Romney “don’t talk about me, let’s just talk about the Baaaaad President and make stuff up” campaign. Wow, amazing that the hive mind hasn’t figured out they need a better tactic going into the home stretch. How about some specifics about his plans? NOPE, not going to happen. YAWN—-it’s getting boring watching the cons flip out over and over again on the front lawn. I think I’m goin’ in off the verandah and watch some worn out reruns of something. At least that useless banter is entertainin’.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:41 pm
RB — “So, jeep has sold over 33K vehicles in Asia YTD, all of that production is going to be moved to low wage Asian workers, and that all fine and dandy with all you liberals? Just checking…”
RB, the executive response was that Jeep was *expanding* production, not *moving* it. They clearly stated that there were no plans to cut back American production.
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 30th, 2012
4:41 pm
Regnad Kcin
October 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
“Zombies are ravenous.
Not unlike a Government agency, they never stop eating at the trough.”
Thomas – how about a link to prove your assertion that zombies eat from a trough?
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They actually prefer brains.
But in the case of a government Zombie like Chysler…………they’ll settle for the heart AND soul of their host.
A Zombie will eventually die.
Only government will prolong the agony.
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:42 pm
LHU
Good bidness, too…
And I do seem to recall several crews from Up Nawth and Out West here in my neighborhood after Opal…
Peter
October 30th, 2012
4:42 pm
LIberal Pariah
October 30th, 2012
4:28 pm
Obama is not real.
A fraud.
Not a leader.
You are probably correct….he has not invaded any countries as of yet !
RF
October 30th, 2012
4:42 pm
“Will a percentage of production be moved to Italy? Will all production be done in Italy? ”
They sell ‘em all over the world, dude, so they need plants to build ‘em over there. Ford does it too, in case you haven’t noticed. Most manufacturers have plants in various parts of the world. We even have Kia plant right here in good ol’ Georgia.
Jm
October 30th, 2012
4:42 pm
Volvo owned by the Chinese, not the Swedes or Ford
Don’t buy Volvo
Buy Ford
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 30th, 2012
4:43 pm
pogo
October 30th, 2012
4:29 pm
Jay, not on topic but, Southern Company and Georgia power, whom you have spent much time hating upon, are sending at least two thousand and maybe more of their workers to the Northeast to help those people get their power back on. SoCo does this every time there is a weather disaster, even if it is outside of their operating area. But you never point these things out do you?
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IT MUST GO THROUGH BARNY FRANK”S HANDS FIRST ..FOR IT TO COUNT………as per Bookman.
C”mon dude……get wid the program.
Jefferson
October 30th, 2012
4:44 pm
Romney’s pants are on fire and his flock are liar loving sheep.
JamVet
October 30th, 2012
4:44 pm
…all of that production is going to be moved…
Somebody does not know what they are talking about.
As usual…
Concerned
October 30th, 2012
4:44 pm
I see there are a lot of Liberals and Obots on here..How you can still be for Obama is beyond me, you see the track record and still continue to support him to me that is astounding. Thankfully the polls are turning and showing Romney leading.
People!!!! Romney comes from a family that was in the car business. Do you really think he is some how against Jeep?
Really?
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
4:44 pm
Jam Vet, 4:39,
My tastes are a bit more simple. A flip top Augustiner Brau would fit my needs just fine. Of course, that has to be served by a German waitress with the finest cleavage in Southern Germany.
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:45 pm
THOMAS
Barney Frank is yesterday’s news…thank G-d for small favors…
curious
October 30th, 2012
4:46 pm
Joseph Goebbels had it right.
“Tell a lie enough times and it becomes true”.
Not an exact quote, but you get the gist of it.
Peter
October 30th, 2012
4:47 pm
CJ Come on now CJ.. really if you lie enough times it become truth……
Example Bin laden and Saddam worked together on 911 as told by Dick Cheney…
I would bet $100 there are Republican’s who still believe that today, even though we know it was a lie.
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:48 pm
JEFFERSON
“Romney’s pants are on fire and his flock are liar loving sheep.”
Either that or sheep-loving liars…
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:49 pm
K71 — “The 320 number is based, in part, on the predictions of those two economists from the Univ of Denver who have not been wrong since 1980. Their record is perfect to date. They pay no attention to polls or to social data issues…. only those issues related to the economy. They might be off a few electoral votes but probably not far.”
That was debunked *weeks* ago. Most of their ’surveys’ were conducted *long after* the elections were over, and they certainly haven’t been doing those surveys for 32 years. What they did was perform research *after the fact,* looking for common social and economic factors that underlay turnovers or retentions of the Presidency.
Sorry, K, but you’ve been SUCKERED big time.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
4:49 pm
Concerned
October 30th, 2012
4:44 pm
I see there are a lot of Liberals and Obots on here..How you can still be for Obama is beyond me, you see the track record and still continue to support him to me that is astounding. Thankfully the polls are turning and showing Romney leading.
People!!!! Romney comes from a family that was in the car business. Do you really think he is some how against Jeep?
Really?
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You haven’t noticed Romney’s problem with truthiness?
Really and Truly?
They BOTH suck
October 30th, 2012
4:49 pm
LP and Pogo
“We have mutual agreements across the country where when you’re the one who’s getting hit, you can count on other people to come help you,” said Watkins.
Georgia Power also said they still make sure their local customers are number one. They said they always make sure enough crews and manpower is left here to take care of business.”
http://www2.wrbl.com/news/2012/oct/29/georgia-power-workers-go-north-ar-4852625/
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Are you saying that you would like Jay to write on article about the agreements that these companies in place?
Not sure how interesting it would be, but you can ask him.
Regnad Kcin
October 30th, 2012
4:50 pm
So, can a conservative tell us why Romney is using this misinformation in ads, when it is untrue?
Ignorance?
Malice?
Perhaps you have a less ignoble explanation?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
4:51 pm
Oh and Concerned…
Mitt Romney is no George Romney.
Stephenson Billings
October 30th, 2012
4:51 pm
Romney ad tells truth about Jeep production in China; Left freaks out
“During a campaign speech in Definance, Ohio, last Thursday, Romney did misstate Jeep’s plans, claiming Chrysler was considering moving “all” Jeep production to China:
“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China[.]”
Romney was apparently responding to a confusing statement by Mike Manley, president and CEO of the Jeep brand early last week:
Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.
“The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”
Chrysler subsequently clarified Manley’s comments:
Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation.
As the Detroit News notes, building cars in China is unremarkable:
Chrysler previously built Jeeps in China — and the move would not be unusual. Ford Motor Co. builds Ford vehicles in China for Chinese buyers and General Motors Co. builds Buicks in China for local consumers.
So what exactly does Romney’s ad — the one that has the Left in full-blown freak-out mode— say about all this?
Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy, and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.
The liberal journalists leading the charge insist this is terribly deceptive even as they acknowledge that every word of it is true. Here’s Kevin Drum of Mother Jones:
Technically, every word of this is true. Obama did force GM and Chrysler through a managed bankruptcy. Fiat did end up buying Chrysler. And Chrysler is thinking about building Jeeps in China.
And here’s Jonathan Cohn of The New Republic:
Although the statements about Chrysler are true individually, together they imply that the Obama Administration’s action led to the outsourcing of American jobs. That is obviously false, both in the specific sense of what Chrysler is doing and in the more general sense of what the entire auto industry is doing.
Got that? It’s “truly nauseating”and “obviously false” to tell the truth about Jeep’s plans to build plants in China because … because … Romney!
At least one mainstream media outlet has bought into the Left’s ridiculous narrative:
A National Journal article is running on Yahoo! News is headlined, “Romney Ad Wrongly Implies Chrysler is Sending U.S. Jobs to China.”
For months, the Left has criticized Romney for allegedly outsourcing jobs to China.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, the Left suddenly sees no problem whatsoever with manufacturing in China.”
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/29/romney-ad-tells-truth-about-jeep-production-in-china-left-freaks-out/
tireofit
October 30th, 2012
4:51 pm
Why does lying not bother republicans? If Obama pull this crap, I would not support him. This kind of lying is sick. I think Ann is correct to question his mental health. Please someone help Mitt.
JamVet
October 30th, 2012
4:52 pm
71, never been a fan of German beers. Not a big pilsner guy.
Always been a fan of cleavage. German or otherwise, it never seems to go out of style!
Not only does Flip not get 320, he doesn’t even get the necessary 270.
Of the 11 toss up states in play, the skinny black guy leads in 7, and 2 are a dead heat.
Flip is dead meat…
Peter
October 30th, 2012
4:53 pm
Romney doesn’t have a problem with telling the truth……..as long as he is not talking !
Must be that Mormon Religion……. what is that story again ? That isn’t far fetched is it ?
MAC
October 30th, 2012
4:55 pm
So we’re supposed to ignore the four years of deliberate lies and misleading statements of the President and focus on this campaign trivia? Really???
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 30th, 2012
4:55 pm
OBAMA THE LIAR
The 5 Million Green Jobs That Weren’t
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-11/the-5-million-green-jobs-that-werent
josef
October 30th, 2012
4:55 pm
PETER
“Must be that Mormon Religion……. what is that story again ? That isn’t far fetched is it ?”
Bigot.
Tonto
October 30th, 2012
4:56 pm
What will a new Republican Administration do differently from the last one?
The last Republican Administration destroyed 4,560,000 manufacturing jobs in 8 years, while Obama has increased manufacturing employment by 512,000 since 1/2010. We now have in-sourcing of jobs under Obama where skilled union workers like chrysler are more important than low cost workers. The last Republican administration inherited a 4% unemployment and doubled it to 8% at the end of the administration, inherited a surplus and turned it into a trillion dollar deficit, inherited Dow Jones Industrial Average of 10,500 that rose to 11,091 on June 7, 2001 when he signed legislation that started his tax cuts for the rich, but resulted in a 30% decrease in the Dow to 8,000 by the end of the administration. Tickle down does not work. Republicans make the economy worse, where Democrats make things gradually better. Of course we are better off than 4 years ago. Obama has increased total employment over 4 million, increased manufacturing employment over half a million, maintained the same deficit that he inherited, and more than doubled your retirement IRAs and investments with the doubling of the Dow from 6,600 to now over 13,000 or over 6 trillion dollars in stock market value. When those capital gains are taxed you will see a dramatic increase in revenue and decrease in deficit.
Oscar
October 30th, 2012
4:56 pm
Mitt Romney is no George Romney.
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Don’t think Mitt Romney is even Mitt Romney. Don’t know who he is. He changes into someone different every day.
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
4:56 pm
Joe, 4:49,
I am not sure where you got your data. Can you give me a link that describes the data being debunked? Most every site that I have read states that, based on their economic prediction model, they have predicted, prior to the election, the election of every president since 1980 with only a deviation of a few electoral votes. None of these sites state anything about after the fact predictions.
Recon 0311 2533
October 30th, 2012
4:57 pm
Stephenson, Now you’re coming on this blog spoiling all of Jay’s fun. He really thought he had one going.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
4:57 pm
S. Billings — “Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China.”
You would be well served by reading the things you post before you post them. Otherwise, you wouldn’t wind up posting things that debunk your positions.
Mark T
October 30th, 2012
4:59 pm
Even as the streets of Manhattan were flooding and hundreds of thousands of residents lost power Monday night, the New York Times turned its attention back to national politics. It published a misleading editorial attacking Gov. Romney and in defense of “Big Government.”
Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it…Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.
That false charge of wanting to “eliminate” disaster relief is based on a YouTube clip of Romney during one of the primary debates responding to a question about sending responsibility for disaster relief back to the states.
Romney replied that he thought states could handle disaster response and then spoke more generally about what items belonged in the federal budget:
Romney: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say “What are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do?” and those things we’ve got to stop doing. Because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion dollars more this year than we’re taking in. We can not afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral in my view for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. Makes no sense at all.
At one point near the end of Romney’s answer moderator John King, who was clearly aware Romney had wandering beyond FEMA, interjected “Including disaster relief though?” But Romney rolled right over him and remained focused on the larger issues of debt, borrowing and the federal budget as a whole.
What the Times did Monday is take Romney’s statement about the immorality of our unsustainable debt–something President Obama himself once called “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic”–and suggest this means there would be a no resources to deal with a disaster if Romney had his way.
Actually, the opposite is true. If we fail to control big government spending, as Barack Obama has failed to do, every program eventually gets crowded out in favor of entitlements and payments of interest on debt. This is not an academic exercise. States are facing this dilemma now. Even liberal enclaves like Illinois, New Jersey and Wisconsin are coming around to the necessity of serious reform to stave off looming fiscal disaster. But the Times clearly hasn’t caught on to the trend.
The argument for big government is always a simple one. There are needs which must be met now! That’s an easy sell, especially during a natural disaster when people are understandably frightened. No doubt that’s why the Times published this attack Monday night at the height of the storm.
But Romney is right about the big picture. At some point we need to deal with our immoral, irresponsible and unpatriotic big government spending to ensure we have resources available for future emergencies.
And you call yourself a journalist….what a hack
SPC
October 30th, 2012
4:59 pm
The Obamacare penalty isn’t a tax…right. The political class (the real 1%) have become spin masters. That’s a big part of our problem.
83 more days
October 30th, 2012
5:01 pm
What would you expect Chrysler to say, after all, his boss is O’Bama
Another obviously weak attempt at “well, we can’t run on O’Bama’s record, so let’s try and brainwash our little minions, maybe they will vote for me instead.”
Sad, that’s all you got.
Peter
October 30th, 2012
5:01 pm
Well after the first “Super Storm “……….are the Republican’s still thinking there is NO man made Global Warming ?
Recon 0311 2533
October 30th, 2012
5:04 pm
Well the libs certainly prove that ignorance can be bliss. At least for them as the Obama campaign has been sputtering to a stall and Romeny/Ryan have been surging the libs cover their eyes and ears in denial.
St Simons
October 30th, 2012
5:05 pm
Jeep makes jeeps in china, australia, Italy, and the US, all to
customers in their respective countries.
This is a sick sad lie, an attempt to quickly confuse the low-information
voter, hoping he could slip it by right before the election before Jeep
can call bullsh* on it. When caught in the lie, you watch, some con
mouthpiece will croak ‘hey look they ‘changed’ their mind.’
Those are some really creepy people.
Stephenson Billings
October 30th, 2012
5:07 pm
From the OP:
“Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has begun running ads in Ohio, stating Chrysler planned to move Jeep production to China. Analysts described the ads as part of Romney’s efforts to pry the state’s pivotal 18 electoral votes from President Barack Obama”
From Romney’s Ad;
“Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy, and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”
From my post:
“Technically, every word of this is true. Obama did force GM and Chrysler through a managed bankruptcy. Fiat did end up buying Chrysler. And Chrysler is thinking about building Jeeps in China.”
How does that statement dubunk my position?
DownInAlbany
October 30th, 2012
5:07 pm
Have any of you (including Jay) even viewed the commercial?
It says that Chrysler, Jeep’s parent, was sold “to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.” That is 100% correct, and has been since 2010, as Tony Lee pointed out yesterday. It is also true that “Fact checkers confirm that [Obama's] attacks on Mitt Romney [on the auto bailout] are false” and that Romney “is supported by Lee Iacocca and the Detroit News.”
getalife
October 30th, 2012
5:07 pm
President Obama showed how to lead after a attack and a disaster.
Four more years!
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
5:08 pm
Peter 5:01,
Two feet of snow in West VA….. what in the hell does that have to do with man made global warming?
Stephenson Billings
October 30th, 2012
5:08 pm
” Mitt Romney will fight for every American job”
In other words, why not make Jeeps here and export them to China?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
5:09 pm
K71 — “I am not sure where you got your data. Can you give me a link that describes the data being debunked?”
Yup.
‘Model’ is brand-new:
http://twotimesdailyasneeded.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/cu-electoral-prediction-debunked/
Professor admits that ‘predictions’ were performed retroactively:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/08/mitt_romney_win_colorado_election_cu_study.php
Again, you’ve been SUCKERED.
“Most every site that I have read states that, based on their economic prediction model, they have predicted, prior to the election, the election of every president since 1980 with only a deviation of a few electoral votes.”
Oh, really? Where are *you* getting *your* data? Link, please.
“None of these sites state anything about after the fact predictions.”
Well, of COURSE they wouldn’t. The truth screws up their narrative. Kinda like it screws up Romney’s narrative, too.
tireofit
October 30th, 2012
5:10 pm
Christie through Romney under the bus on Fox and Friends.
josef
October 30th, 2012
5:10 pm
He-ne-ha
Forked tongue devils, they!
And I found out what Pete did with the five dollars…sent it to the Cayman Islands…
DownInAlbany
October 30th, 2012
5:11 pm
Stephenson Billings
October 30th, 2012
4:51 pm
No response to Stephenson. I’m shocked!
getalife
October 30th, 2012
5:11 pm
mitt would be worse than nixon and w combined.
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
5:12 pm
Joe, the 33k jeeps currently being built by US workers will be built by low wage Chinese workers going forward. You can call it whatever your little heart desires, joe, but those are the facts.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 30th, 2012
5:13 pm
S. Billings — “How does that statement dubunk my position?”
It’s pretty clear. Read it. You posted it, so you read it already, right?
“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China.”
Not moving.
They’ve been quite clear in saying that they’re going to *expand* production overseas and *not* cut back in the US. Yet conservative commentors continue to insist that production will be *moved* overseas.
Concerned
October 30th, 2012
5:13 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
What I see is Romney is a better alternative that what we have currently.
Peter
October 30th, 2012
5:15 pm
kayaker 71
Two feet of snow in West VA….. what in the hell does that have to do with man made global warming?
Huge change in the jet stream….BUT as you know there has never been Hurricane’s that started in the Caribbean recorded, with exception of the last few years..typically they start off the coast of Africa then made there way east to the US.
Snow happens in the mountains where it is colder, had it not been the mountains………. then it would have been rain……… elementary Watson.
pogo
October 30th, 2012
5:16 pm
It is kind of a un-written agreement within the power companies, which is kind of cool. They have always helped out each other even though they know the people that are being helped aren’t within their “operating area” (i.e, they won’t be making money from them). Yes, Southern Company can broker power to them if they need it but in the scheme of things their market is down here with us. The bottom line is, Southern Company and all of its operating companies (GPC, Mississippi Power. Gulf Power and Alabama Power) that are sending personnel to help the people up North are going to foot the bill for their workers. And that bill will be huge as they are probably going to be their for months. I really do feel sorry for the folks up there.
And already today, the networks and newspapers are nibbling around the topic about how this will impact the election. And to that I say, who gives a crap? We have some 6 million of our fellow Americans without power tonight (and many who have damaged homes or no home to return to) and the temperatures are going to be in the 40’s up there. And here we have Jay who seems very willing to ignore the disaster as he continues to march on with his diatribes against Romney. Sad. Very sad. Somewhere you lost focus on the really important stuff Jay. What made you this way man?
Peter
October 30th, 2012
5:16 pm
mitt would be worse than nixon and w combined.
Wouldn’t that make Republican’s Proud though ?
kayaker 71
October 30th, 2012
5:16 pm
Joe, 5:09,
I read every word of the two links you supplied and neither said anything about the predictions being debunked. Nor was any mention made of any post election prediction. Suckered? We shall see, my friend, we shall see.