Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself
Fox New anchors, right-wing websites and talk-radio hosts around the country are ginning up a wave of mass hysteria about the decision by the Obama administration not to attempt a military rescue of Ambassador Chris Stevens in Libya. (Glenn Beck is even telling listeners that the treason is more widespread, and that Stevens was acting as a gunrunner for al Qaida in Libya and Syria. I kid you not.)
Obama’s crime is said to be so heinous that mere impeachment for refusing to intervene would be insufficient. If you Google the words “Benghazi” and “traitor,” you get some 518,000 hits, almost all of which cast President Obama as that traitor. The criticism extends as well to the mainstream media, which as my email informs me, is being accused of covering up a scandal of such dimensions that it would supposedly dwarf Watergate.
But I have a question.
According to NBC News, Mitt Romney hasn’t mentioned Libya in his campaign appearances around the country since Oct. 12, which is more than two weeks ago. Now why do you think that is?
Option one: Mitt has joined the mainstream media as part of the pro-Obama conspiracy of silence to protect the president.
Option two. Romney’s military and foreign affairs advisers have told him that not even a minimally responsible case can be made that Obama should have intervened militarily at Benghazi, and that Romney would deeply embarrass himself by suggesting such a step.
Let’s be clear: There is no indication — none — that U.S military officials advised the president or anyone in the administration that a rescue operation was possible, and that the administration ignored that offer. The evidence is entirely to the contrary.
As Defense Secretary Leon Panetta explained, “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
That would be Gen. Carter Ham, the head of U.S. Africa Command, and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They are men of training and experience; they know where our military assets are located; they know their capabilities, and they know the difficulties involved in inserting and extracting an armed force into an uncertain situation in another country.
It is of course frustrating and heartbreaking to learn that CIA officers stationed near the Benghazi consulate had asked three times for military assistance and that those requests had been denied. But that is real life. This is not a Hollywood movie.
Here’s how Fox News reported the news above:
The most provocative piece of that report is the claim that a Special Forces team stationed at an air base in Signonella, Italy, two hours from Benghazi, was ready to intervene but orders were never given. But here’s how such mass hysteria gets fed by partial information, in both senses of the word “partial”. As it turned out, the Special Forces team in question was not based in Sigonella but had to be assembled and transported there from elsewhere in Europe.
“U.S. officials say (the team) did not arrive in Sicily until after the attack was over,” CBS reports. “Even if the team had been ready in time, confusion about what was happening on the ground in Benghazi — and State Department concerns about violating Libyan sovereignty — made a military rescue mission impractical, the officials say.”
Arguing against mass and willful hysteria using facts, logic and expert professional opinion is a losing battle, of course. It doesn’t matter that our top military people believed a rescue effort would be impractical and would probably end in the loss of even more American lives. What matters is that talk-show hosts and others can stir up millions of Americans raised on Rambo movies to believe that their leaders could have helped to rescue a well-respected U.S. diplomat and his team, but simply decided it wasn’t worth the effort. Because the president is a traitor.
That makes no sense. It is such a ridiculous notion that in most eras it would never even be broached in public debate. But this is an era in which many are predisposed to believe the most ridiculous things if it justifies their hatred of Obama, and a time in which when emotions are heightened by a hard-fought presidential campaign. So nonsense reigns.
– Jay Bookman
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Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:16 pm
The difference is that Sheehan’s son died in a war. Whether or not the war was necessary is certainly debatable. But in the view of Woods his son died unnecessarily because of rank incompetence. That is the difference.
Nope. Combat duty is combat duty. Although “dignitary protection” is especially crappy duty.
Oh wait, this guy wasn’t military anymore was he? He was a mercenary right?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 29th, 2012
10:16 pm
“A truly comic line from the administration: “State Department concerns about violating Libyan sovereignty” As if destruction of an American consulate has anything to do with “Libyan sovereignty.” That is the definition of “leading from behind,” the same place they pull out their explanations.”
Ah ……………. wasn’t there something about VIOLATING PAKISTAN’S SOVEREIGNTY to get Bin Laden ???
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 29th, 2012
10:17 pm
Fred:
Were you DPS at one time?
ragnar danneskjold
October 29th, 2012
10:17 pm
Dear Fred @ 10:11, you and I disagree on much, but your analysis of the prickly personality in the careerists at State is dead on, my compliments.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:17 pm
“Southern Baptists aren’t Christians”
Dang Fred. You’re pretty hard core on those folks. Weren’t Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton Southern Baptists?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 29th, 2012
10:18 pm
Fred:
What about John the “Baptist” ………..
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:19 pm
Thulsa Doom of course………..and Romney said he would do the exact same thong.but I guess you want American Boys in there to die instead correct ?
Makes sense kill Americans…great choice ! Plus heck we have all this money hanging around doing nothing, and the Republican mantra is …… deficits don’t matter.
Heck I am with you !
cloudodust
October 29th, 2012
10:19 pm
Kam-Sport : Didn’t the printed press preceed talk radio by a few years..? Ahh, the good ol’ days and Sam Adams. Now there was a patriot who printed truth…Today, not so.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:20 pm
Scout @ 10:16,
Oh noes. You done went and clobbered them with the hypocrisy stick. Their silence will be deafening on that point. Would sure like to see Jay try and wiggle out of that one with whatever semantics dance he would come up with. Kinda like his semantics dance about the consulate attack not being a terrorist attack.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:21 pm
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:17 pm
“Southern Baptists aren’t Christians”
Dang Fred. You’re pretty hard core on those folks. Weren’t Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton Southern Baptists?
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Thanks for providing evidense to bolster my argument.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:22 pm
Be Proud Republican’s Romney just flip flopped yet again !
At a GOP primary debate in June 2011, Romney, when asked about FEMA’s budget woes and how he would deal with it, had said, “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”
During that debate, the moderator, CNN’s John King, had gone on to ask if that included “disaster relief.” Romney suggested it did.
Today after the SUPER STORM ….Romney changed his mind……Gosh who would have thought ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 29th, 2012
10:22 pm
Thulsa:
…………….
peggy
October 29th, 2012
10:22 pm
jay, get your head out of your a##, and see this for what it is. our american citizens were under attack, and our government did nothing to help them. i am a liberal and was going to vote for obama, but not after this disastrous mishandling! and i think a lot of people will feel the same way.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:23 pm
Peter,
I didn’t say that. I didn’t even say that I disagree with Obama’s policy on drone bombing in Pakistan. In fact I agree with his drone strikes and I think Obama has done a good job in that regard. I’m just making light of his Nobel peace prize is all and the irony of him getting the prize and then proceeding with drone strikes on civilian villages.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:23 pm
Were you DPS at one time?
not “officially.” We were tasked (more than once) to take an asshat out into the bush where he had no business going so he could “see with his own eyes.”
Luckily the only harm he got was pant full of crap (literally) and none of us got seriously hurt.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:24 pm
Fred:
What about John the “Baptist” ………..
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He was from the North……….
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:25 pm
Recon,
Aw hell. Fred hates everyone. But that’s just Fred.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:25 pm
Ah ……………. wasn’t there something about VIOLATING PAKISTAN’S SOVEREIGNTY to get Bin Laden ???
Of course there was….. Heck he was America’s enemy # 1 ……. 911 ring a bell ?
BUT invading a country like Iraq for instance…. perfectly Ok with the Right !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 29th, 2012
10:25 pm
i am a liberal and was going to vote for obama…
I had a date with Morgan Fairchild, and we spent the night together at a Holiday Inn Express — yeah, that’s the ticket!
plow.point
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
ALL HAIL FRED. ALL HAIL FRED. HE’S SEEN IT ALL, KNOWS IT ALL AND HAS DONE IT ALL. He deserves the next Nobel.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
Thulsa Doom…….. Well why was he given the peace prize then ?
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
Yo Scout: Did you get my song last night?
DownInAlbany
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
Oh wait, this guy wasn’t military anymore was he? He was a mercenary right?
You are a very sick man.
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
Doom, I think Fred hates himself.
Pizzaman
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
Is there a full moon tonight. I’ve never heard such bull. But the one that said….the media will lie to you (or something like that). Watch fox news and listen to rush. Like they don’t lie. And anyone who just listens to fox and rush only has a problem.
Also I don’t know who said because it’s pure crap but someone said either here or on wingnut that gas would be $6/gal by election day.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:27 pm
plow.point
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
ALL HAIL FRED. ALL HAIL FRED. HE’S SEEN IT ALL, KNOWS IT ALL AND HAS DONE IT ALL. He deserves the next Nobel.
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No need to bow, a simple genuflection as I pass by is sufficient.
ODD OWL
October 29th, 2012
10:27 pm
The murders in Benghazi were a terrorist attack… The President made that fact clear the very next day… So why are the Romney/Ryan Republicans and their ministry of propaganda, Fox Fantasy News attempting to politicize this tragic event ??? Americans must pull together after a terrorist attack… Are the Romney/Ryan Republicans un-American ??? Why do the Republicans seem to know more about the terrorist attack than the CIA, NSA, FBI and other government agencies ??? What do the Republicans know and when did they know it ??? When you shoot into a pack of feral dogs, the one that howl the loudest is usually the one that got hit…
Fox News viewers and Trump believers
October 29th, 2012
10:28 pm
Try not to stoke out come Election Day. 4 more years!!!!!
Lol. Lol. Freaking sheep like idiots
DownInAlbany
October 29th, 2012
10:28 pm
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:25 pm
Recon,
Aw hell. Fred hates everyone. But that’s just Fred.
Defend and deflect. Defend and deflect.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:29 pm
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:26 pm
Doom, I think Fred hates himself.
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Nope, I just hate liars. Well and Southern Baptists…… and anyone French………. and Yankees………. and Okra. I think that’s about it. Oh hell, and yuppies too. I can’t stand yuppies.
GOP Voter
October 29th, 2012
10:29 pm
Democratic pollster Pat Caddell: Obama handling of Banghazi a “disgrace”.
Just sayin’.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 29th, 2012
10:30 pm
Also I don’t know who said because it’s pure crap but someone said either here or on wingnut that gas would be $6/gal by election day.
At least two regular posters here made that prediction on the night of this year’s State of the Union address.
One of them has the stones to admit it, the other is a WATB.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
Peter,
If I remember correctly Obama was given the peace prize either before he even entered office or very shortly after entering office. The prize committee gave it to him based on “potential” which had never been done before to my knowledge. He had achieved absolutely NOTHING to warrant winning the award. In other words they were just enamored of his pretty speeches like a lot of people, they liked his BS, and gave it to him based on this “potential” to make peace. Downright damn laughable the more and more you think about it.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
I’m just making light of his Nobel peace prize is all and the irony of him getting the prize and then proceeding with drone strikes on civilian villages.
Dont’ stop there Doomy lol. Make light of the Nobel on all levels. He got it for…….. being elected? Really? It was to me the final nail in the coffin to show how totally stupid the Nobel Peace prize is.
Gmare
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
Happy Birthday, Fred!
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
“Nope, I just hate liars. ”
Well you made my point.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
You know you want a Republican to win that don’t you ?- Peter
no Thulsa Doom.. i am a fiscal conservative, and i don;t want to continue to waste American resources on the WAR agenda of protecting corporate America’s interest around the world.
I also believe as free people woman have the right to make decisions based on their own body..now some will make bad decisions we all know that……but no man has the right to tell a woman what to do period.
And hey if Cheney could invade Iraq for his purposes then, the facts are we all make mistakes….like in his statement…..deficits don’t matter.
USMC
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
Obama is starting to channel RICHARD NIXON except Obama has NO accomplishments:
1) Carpet Bombing: Nixon used B-52’s //Obama prefers DRONES
2) COVER-UPS: Nixon lied about a break-in at Watergate//Obama Lied about a Terrorist attack in Benghazi (4 dead Americans) AND has Lied about FAST & FURIOUS (1 dead American/ Many dead Mexicans).
Richard Nixon did the honorable thing and resigned from office…
Comrade Obama is fighting for FOUR MORE YEARS!
OBAMA is a complete disgrace.
Ron
October 29th, 2012
10:32 pm
Jay, please follow cynthia…PLEASE!
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:32 pm
USMC … Didn’t Romney agree with Obama on the drones ?
Look before I leap...
October 29th, 2012
10:33 pm
“Oh hell, and yuppies too. I can’t stand yuppies.”
I am quietly pushing my Pinot Noir away from the keyboard.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:35 pm
I can’t say I disagree with Fred on hating the French. Damn whiny ass beyotches they are.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:35 pm
USMC. Bush didn’t protect America we had 911… Cheney invaded Iraq and how many more American boys died ?
Please…..have a drink and calm down with all that Nixon stuff…we all know how paranoid that fellow was…….. thus the break in.
inoj
October 29th, 2012
10:36 pm
Jay, you’re woefully misinformed. That you’re ok with Panetta’s explanation that we don’t engage unless we have all the facts…makes you sound like a fool. Tell that to your friends in the military and see what they say. And you call right wingers…what?
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:36 pm
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
“Nope, I just hate liars. ”
Well you made my point.
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Point out a lie Del. you TALK a bunch of crap, but rarely if ever back any up. Is it just the Oxycontin? You better lay off that crap before you go deaf like your hero Rush…….
td
October 29th, 2012
10:36 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 29th, 2012
10:30 pm
Also I don’t know who said because it’s pure crap but someone said either here or on wingnut that gas would be $6/gal by election day.
At least two regular posters here made that prediction on the night of this year’s State of the Union address.
One of them has the stones to admit it, the other is a WATB.
So I guess you could not find the actual post I made and then do not have the stones to come and say you were wrong. I guess that makes you an official Obama LIAR.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
inoj . tell us please how we should handle it.
Get Real
October 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
Too bad the mainstream media is ignoring the story for the most part to protect the “chosen one”…..absolutely shameless and ridiculous as we now see a state run media in the US….
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
Look before I leap…
October 29th, 2012
10:33 pm
“Oh hell, and yuppies too. I can’t stand yuppies.”
I am quietly pushing my Pinot Noir away from the keyboard.
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LOL. nice one.
http://www.instantrimshot.com
USMC
October 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
Happy Birthday Fred!
We are all taking up a collection for your Birthday present.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/543707.Way_Things_Ought_to_Be
lefty_316
October 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
Fred you’re right on target with your assessment of the Southern Baptists. In fact any religious sect in which 1) 75% or more of its members believe the Bible is word-for-word true and 2) 75% or more of its members believe they have been forgiven for all transgressions past and future, and have a free pass to paradise, due to the fact that they are born-again…….these sects are accurately called cults.
Ergo the Sothern Baptist sect, as well as the Pentecostals and the Assembly of God, are all cults.
plow.point
October 29th, 2012
10:38 pm
Not a genuflection Fred, just a tip of my visor.
ODD OWL
October 29th, 2012
10:38 pm
The Romney/Ryan are having big time problems with those human moral attributes called honest, trust, integrity and character… No matter how you measure them, they come up short on each attribute… They have strange behavior patterns…
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
Romney made his money out sourcing…..can someone tell me why he is the job creator ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
Fred @ 10:23
We disagree politically but I hear you and know the type.
P.S. I didn’t get the song. Send again.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:40 pm
“deficits don’t matter.”
Peter,
That’s probably the most taken out of context BS phrase on this blog. The idea behind the Laffer curve is that deficits do not matter “in the short term” because longer term tax revenues grow to replace and exceed revenue lost in the short term. Whether or not that is true we can argue about till the cows come home. But that bumper stick sloganeering about “deficits don’t matter” is indicative of economic ignorance.
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:40 pm
Doom,
I was in Cannes and Villa France before the Gulf of Tonkin. The French girls were all over us and there were foxes in the mix. After the Gulf of Tonkin was announced the French townsman and even those girls spit when they saw us. Didn’t matter we all went to Vietnam anyway.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:41 pm
Thanks Gmare. Thanks USMC.
USMC: Did you check out the shot of the day link I posted earlier? Thanks for the “book dedication’ but I got this book instead today:
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-My-Belly-Real-Cooking/dp/1449411436
I hope it has a good pork belly recipe in it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 29th, 2012
10:41 pm
lefty_316:
“You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’”
John 3:7
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:41 pm
plow.point
October 29th, 2012
10:38 pm
Not a genuflection Fred, just a tip of my visor.
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Noted and accepted
Look before I leap...
October 29th, 2012
10:42 pm
@Thulsa
“Obama has to have Ohio. He can’t win without it.”
I disagree. Obama’s path to 270 is easier than Romney’s absent an OH win.
Romney wins OH – and assuming Obama takes PA, WI and MI, Romney MUST win FL and has 10 other winning combinations.
If Obama loses OH, he does NOT need FL and has 13 winning combinations.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:43 pm
Folks the great Noah’s Ark is a space ship.. after a few blow this earth up for the masses the exodus will be on for the super rich to get away……Why do you think privatized space travel is in full swing ?
Keep voting Republican……. maybe your great grand kids will have to deal with that after we are all dead for a few hundred years or sooner ?
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:44 pm
Scout: It doesn’t make as much sense without the post I typed with it lol (an answer to what we were fussin’ about the other day) but here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bare05gNH88
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:44 pm
“Romney made his money out sourcing…..can someone tell me why he is the job creator ?”
Nope. I called out Debbiedowrong on that bogus claim the other day. The best link she could come up with was some protesters from earlier this month protesting against Bain capital that their jobs are about to be outsourced to China. Romney left the company 12 years ago so their whining does not apply to him. And even if you could find some jobs he “outsourced” Target alone has created tens of thousands of jobs. And that is just one company. You got sports authority and many other companies that Romney helped grow.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 29th, 2012
10:45 pm
The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:45 pm
Thulsa Doom . Tell me how that deficit is working out then ?
Ok it is….less for the poor.more for the super rich…….more ways to get the masses under your thumb.
Kind of like Religion in the middle ages.
Don’t worry we will all be controlled soon, but hey…….. thank you for helping them along.
Look before I leap...
October 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
@td
Did you not predict $5/gal?
Michael
October 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
Here’s an idea. See if you can get Joh Krakauer to write a book about this matter. His recent effort was about Pat Tillman and his death by friendly fire. He went into how Tillman’s flak jacket and diary were burned and how the army lied to Tillman’s family. Of course,this happened in 2004 and the Bushies were busy swiftboating Kerry.
I think that cover up was handled much better, but they had the weasel Rove in the White House, so they had trained in that activity.
Of course I was in Viet Nam just before 19 VC invaded the embassy compound and held off helicopter support for several hours, so I’m sure the armchair generals here are all better equiped to say what should have been done at the consulate in Benghazi.
By the way the military makes recommendations to the commander in chief. It doesn’t go the other way around.
Romney doesn’t mention Benghazi, because Obama wiped the floor with him in the second debate on that issue. Also, the FBI is now in control of one of the leaders. Obama can put this to rest by letting the drones take out a house in Benghazi – any house – and say it was the terrorists. That’s what Bush would have done, and Romney has the same advisors.
Dr. Socrates
October 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
Well, it didn’t take too long for the left-wing nut (our own Bookie) to respond to the right-wing nuts at Fox News. Kinda funny, really. It is this kind of meaningless debate that explains the dire situation this great country is in today. Rather than focusing on the big picture of deficits, taxes, imports/exports, trade imbalances and the like, media morons have us focus on individual stories that, once upon a time, wouldn’t even have made the local news, much less risen to unnecessary national attention. I challenge you, Bookie: Stop responding to the people you so deride. Break the chain of idiocy instead of being a link in it.
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
Romney made his money out sourcing…..can someone tell me why he is the job creator ?
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Have you lost your mind? Look at all the Chinese jobs he created. You don’t think the talk show hosts mean creating AMERICAN jobs when they call all these asshats “job creators” do you? Of course not, they are creating Chinese jobs.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:47 pm
Look before I leap,
In the calculations I’ve seen Florida is gone to Romney. I’ve seen how Romney can win without Ohio though I myself can’t see it. I think he also needs Ohio. But from what I’ve seen Obama has to have Ohio even more than Romney. A lot to look at and it will be interesting to see how it all breaks down.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:47 pm
Thulsa Doom… You are probably right…… Romney and Bain Capitol never had the same philosophy………..for sure !
lefty_316
October 29th, 2012
10:48 pm
0311/0514: “The clergy believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
Thomas Jefferson, September 23, 1800
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:49 pm
Fred,
Can you show all these Chinese jobs that Mitt created. Cause from what I’ve seen companies like Target, sports authority, and many of the others he turned around have mostly American employees.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:49 pm
Fred……. Of course not, they are creating Chinese jobs.
Well for one thing we know Romney is going to tell China a thong or too…..and puff out his chest !
lefty_316
October 29th, 2012
10:50 pm
0311: “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a clergy-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Thomas Jefferson, December 6, 1813.
Look before I leap...
October 29th, 2012
10:50 pm
@Thulsa
Look at 270 to win.
They do a nice job of showing the options once you have picked the states to fall as you see fit.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 29th, 2012
10:50 pm
Well for one thing we know Romney is going to tell China a thong or too…
Chinese girls in thongs?
I could get behind that.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:50 pm
Dr. Socrates…….. I know gosh those are all the same Policy’s the Bush administration was all about.can’t we go back to the good old Bush days ?
lefty_316
October 29th, 2012
10:51 pm
0311: “The whole history of these Gospels is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”
Thomas Jefferson, January 24, 1814
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:52 pm
Since we are talking about deficits and debt perhaps an asshat or two can splain to me how running up roughly 5 trillion in debt in 4 years under Obama is better than running up roughly 5 trillion in debt over 8 years under W. Perhaps a “deficits don’t matter” asshat can answer that question.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:52 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes……..hey now you are talking a good Geisha girl for every American man.. gosh we deserve it !
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:54 pm
Thulsa Doom I know what you are talking about ……gosh we had this separate War debt, and the deficit… and now we have to put it together, and then there was this almost Depression…..all that fuzzy math.
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:54 pm
Bain was a successful company under Romney. Evidently, it still is today and gives a lot of money to the Obama campaign. Why are you far-left libs complaining,
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October 29th, 2012
10:54 pm
Fred @ 10:44
Ha! I walked across a street with her once in WDC right after Nam ………. didn’t think a whole lot of her then either but ………… here’s her best one I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2W0QZFguDE
stmt
October 29th, 2012
10:55 pm
Guess Jay never heard of Cindy Sheehan
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October 29th, 2012
10:55 pm
lefty_316:
I’ll take Jesus any day over old Tom but as always …………… the choice is yours.
God bless ……………..
Fred ™
October 29th, 2012
10:55 pm
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
10:49 pm
Fred,
Can you show all these Chinese jobs that Mitt created. Cause from what I’ve seen companies like Target, sports authority, and many of the others he turned around have mostly American employees.
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I did this for you the other day. I won’t do it again. Staples was a “success” story. By the 1990’s Bain was raiding companies though. You are smart enough to know this if you choose to research it.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:57 pm
Recon 0311 2533 . Who’s complaining the oil companies, GE, and most Corporate America give to both………so once whom ever wins they can start the control process…..
Peter
October 29th, 2012
10:58 pm
DETROIT – Chrysler said its third-quarter profit rose 80 percent on the strength of new models, less debt and steadily growing sales in both American and international markets.
The third-largest Detroit carmaker said Monday that it earned $381 million in net income, up from $212 million in the same period a year ago. Revenue for the quarter was $15.5 billion, an 18 percent increase from $13.1 billion in the same period last year.
The results could be seen as the latest evidence that Chrysler’s improbable comeback from its government bailout and bankruptcy was not only sustainable, but accelerating.
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
10:58 pm
Peter, you got that right.
Ayn Rand was Right
October 29th, 2012
10:59 pm
ODD OWL – It is strange to me that you would accuse Romney and Ryan of being liars, but would trust Obama. This need to vilify the side you disagree with, while upholding your man, no matter his actions, demonstrates the problem in this country today. All of us are flawed. I would dare say that Obama has done a lot more lying than the team of Romney and Ryan lately.
lefty_316
October 29th, 2012
11:01 pm
0311 Your mistake is assuming the Bible is word-for-word true, and that God actually said “the only way to me is through my son Jesus Christ.” That is completely inconsistent with the man Jesus was. It is a fabrication concocted by the authors of the New Testament. They also cooked up many other creative falsehoods: Mary was a virgin, Jesus performed miracles, Jesus rose from the dead, etc. Those are all what the great Joseph Priestley called “perversions” of Christianity.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 29th, 2012
11:01 pm
Ayn Rand was a drug addled meth head.
Just sayin’.
Recon 0311 2533
October 29th, 2012
11:02 pm
Peter, bankruptcy yes…bailout no. Are they still an American owned car company.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
11:03 pm
Recon 0311 2533. And the truth is actually both parties are almost the same…….
Sometime I wonder who is on which team….but they sure use the media to split the country.making the small folk weaker.
I do feel the Republican’s are more the guys wanting the War machine to protect the American Corporations around the world…. more apt to use it.
Ayn Rand was Right
October 29th, 2012
11:03 pm
Kam – even the most addled can be brilliant.
Thulsa Doom
October 29th, 2012
11:04 pm
Fred,
Yeah. I read your link. And in a very lengthy list of Bain accomplishments there were 2 sentences I think devoted to a Latin American investment group. That doesn’t cut it. The overall success in creating American jobs was substantial. The little bit of beyotching folks can do pales in comparison to the accomplishments of Bain capital under his stewardship.
td
October 29th, 2012
11:05 pm
Look before I leap…
October 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
@td
Did you not predict $5/gal?
No. I did not predict any price. What I said was IF gas was over $4 or $5 per gallon then Obama would not win the election. Some of the leftest can not read and said I predicted those gas prices.
Peter
October 29th, 2012
11:06 pm
Chryler Corporation
Bankruptcy and Sale to Fiat
In April 2009, Chrysler filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States. The reorganized company would be partially owned by Italian automaker Fiat as well as the United Auto Workers union upon its emergence from bankruptcy.