Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself
Fox New anchors, right-wing websites and talk-radio hosts around the country are ginning up a wave of mass hysteria about the decision by the Obama administration not to attempt a military rescue of Ambassador Chris Stevens in Libya. (Glenn Beck is even telling listeners that the treason is more widespread, and that Stevens was acting as a gunrunner for al Qaida in Libya and Syria. I kid you not.)
Obama’s crime is said to be so heinous that mere impeachment for refusing to intervene would be insufficient. If you Google the words “Benghazi” and “traitor,” you get some 518,000 hits, almost all of which cast President Obama as that traitor. The criticism extends as well to the mainstream media, which as my email informs me, is being accused of covering up a scandal of such dimensions that it would supposedly dwarf Watergate.
But I have a question.
According to NBC News, Mitt Romney hasn’t mentioned Libya in his campaign appearances around the country since Oct. 12, which is more than two weeks ago. Now why do you think that is?
Option one: Mitt has joined the mainstream media as part of the pro-Obama conspiracy of silence to protect the president.
Option two. Romney’s military and foreign affairs advisers have told him that not even a minimally responsible case can be made that Obama should have intervened militarily at Benghazi, and that Romney would deeply embarrass himself by suggesting such a step.
Let’s be clear: There is no indication — none — that U.S military officials advised the president or anyone in the administration that a rescue operation was possible, and that the administration ignored that offer. The evidence is entirely to the contrary.
As Defense Secretary Leon Panetta explained, “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
That would be Gen. Carter Ham, the head of U.S. Africa Command, and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They are men of training and experience; they know where our military assets are located; they know their capabilities, and they know the difficulties involved in inserting and extracting an armed force into an uncertain situation in another country.
It is of course frustrating and heartbreaking to learn that CIA officers stationed near the Benghazi consulate had asked three times for military assistance and that those requests had been denied. But that is real life. This is not a Hollywood movie.
Here’s how Fox News reported the news above:
The most provocative piece of that report is the claim that a Special Forces team stationed at an air base in Signonella, Italy, two hours from Benghazi, was ready to intervene but orders were never given. But here’s how such mass hysteria gets fed by partial information, in both senses of the word “partial”. As it turned out, the Special Forces team in question was not based in Sigonella but had to be assembled and transported there from elsewhere in Europe.
“U.S. officials say (the team) did not arrive in Sicily until after the attack was over,” CBS reports. “Even if the team had been ready in time, confusion about what was happening on the ground in Benghazi — and State Department concerns about violating Libyan sovereignty — made a military rescue mission impractical, the officials say.”
Arguing against mass and willful hysteria using facts, logic and expert professional opinion is a losing battle, of course. It doesn’t matter that our top military people believed a rescue effort would be impractical and would probably end in the loss of even more American lives. What matters is that talk-show hosts and others can stir up millions of Americans raised on Rambo movies to believe that their leaders could have helped to rescue a well-respected U.S. diplomat and his team, but simply decided it wasn’t worth the effort. Because the president is a traitor.
That makes no sense. It is such a ridiculous notion that in most eras it would never even be broached in public debate. But this is an era in which many are predisposed to believe the most ridiculous things if it justifies their hatred of Obama, and a time in which when emotions are heightened by a hard-fought presidential campaign. So nonsense reigns.
– Jay Bookman
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Aquagirl
October 30th, 2012
9:02 am
Sure starting to sound like “Black Hawk Down” to me
At last, one of our never been there/never done that “experts” cites his source for his pompous lectures on how to handle national security.
Go back to watching Black Hawk Down in your mom’s basement. Maybe the CIA will recognize your genius when their secret DVD scanner informs them you’re on your 47th viewing.
St Simons
October 30th, 2012
9:02 am
thank god, one more week of flinging poo, and they are forever the Whigs
then we can work on a REAL party to the left of democrats that
represents working people & consumers.
The American Consumers Party?
The People’s Republic-ans? (that would be funny)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 30th, 2012
9:02 am
“it reminds me of Germany from 1933 to 1945 both socialist”
some numpty at the airport actually tried to use the whole “appeasement” BS line on me at the airport last week …
I ripped him a new one (which is to say, I destroyed him with history and, well, you know, FACTS)
Paul
October 30th, 2012
9:04 am
Finn
Seems a stretch. Eight years back. Nothing since then? His successors did not see fit to take any action in the years since?
jlfliberty
October 30th, 2012
9:04 am
Jay you left out the third reason that “Mitt Romney hasn’t mentioned Libya in his campaign since Oct. 12″. He is waiting on you in the media to (DO YOUR JOBS) and get the facts. Geez….. DIMBA!
TaxPayer
October 30th, 2012
9:06 am
Why didn’t the GOP give the DoD the funding they needed to perfect teleportation! If President Obama had used the flawed teleportation device to rescue the ambassador, we know what the outcome would have been and our President Obama could never allow that. The blame falls squarely on the GOP and their penny pinching ways.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 30th, 2012
9:07 am
STANDS
Nice deflection that seems to accompany all your responses that you are ill able to reply with anything of merit..
GRANNY
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/01/23/obama-to-gop-i-won/
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 30th, 2012
9:09 am
INDIGO
I’m puzzled…why are you deflecting with what happened 10 years ago?
Keep on topic…do you really have no credible response?
Why is what happened in Bush years relevant? Speculation over what Romney may or may not do is nothing more than that…
URGENT: Fox News Poll
October 30th, 2012
9:10 am
47% of Americans are dumb enough to watch and believe every distorted story we report.
Wake Up! Mitt was born rich and doesn’t give a damn about the middle class, poor, women, minorities, etc, etc.
Don’t worry. It will be all over next Tuesday evening. FOUR MORE YEARS!
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
9:10 am
Jay, “Yes, it is also reopening plants in China to produce Jeeps for sale IN CHINA, not for export here.”
But if GE builds a light bulb plantbin China or India, that’s “shipping jobs overseas” right? Neverind those are the 2 fastest growing markets and they WOULD NEVER SELL THE FIRST LIGHT BULB THERE IF THEY PRODUCED THEM HERE WITH OU LABOR RATES AND TRIED TO COMPETE WITH BULBS PRODUCED THERE WITH THEIR LABOR RATES.
At least be consistent.
THE REASON I READ THIS BLOG!
October 30th, 2012
9:11 am
“it reminds me of Germany from 1933 to 1945 both socialist”
LMAO
GT
October 30th, 2012
9:12 am
The Republican Party has somehow filtered out common sense in its homogenous makeup and correct impulse that they are an endangered species. I was going to say nuts never got this far pass the security gate of either party but I think of a paranoid Nixon and take that back. As you quiet often find in the freefall of loose character, the lead actors have understudies. Watergate didn’t clean em all out, the clever ones were allowed to slink off into the dark, and show back up on later x-rays like cancer.
We talk about the minority races being violate, you seldom ever heard about the corrupt majority, that covertly and immorally mismanage information and sabotage to gain power. Agnew called them the silent majority, and there was a reason to stay silent, to not draw attention to their activities. As I listen to their lies and now am able to track who they are, and watch who soaks these lies up with pleasure, no measure for character or daylight for truth I see Nixon still stamped on this party. The Republican have recruited and attracted the bigotry that was the Democratic baggage, money from unnamed sources, to go with their already, disrespect for the constitution or any limitation on poor conduct and like Sandy have found the perfect storm of evil; after we thought we had past these times in our history.
Lee
October 30th, 2012
9:12 am
Facts are the facts….Obama lied to the American people and got caught. Someone died and he still denies responsibility.
The Truth
October 30th, 2012
9:12 am
Romney’s desperate… He’s been reduced to lying about Jeep shipping jobs overseas to China.
robroka
October 30th, 2012
9:15 am
The only wingnuts here are the ones that can’t see the blatant partisan double standard on display. Let’s assume George W. Bush’s State Department allowed something like this to happen through inaction or outright incompetence and then Predident Bush proceeded to fabricate some silly story about a low budget movie in an effort to cover up his culpability in the resulting mess. All you lefties would be apoplectic, calling for impeachment proceedings and criminal prosecutions.
The problem here is that liberals don’t have principles. They’re for whatever sounds good at the moment and nothing sounds better than four more years of the Dear Leader- truth, facts, logic and reason matter not.
Well, reality is going to come crashing down like a ton of bricks in one week. Go check out Gallup’s latest numbers on early voting. In Ohio alone there are 220,000 less Democrats and 30,000 more Republicans as compared to one week out in 2008. Romney is ahead 52% to 47% nationally in a poll with a sample size of 3300+ early voters.
Obama is in very big trouble and he knows it. He turned Air Force One around and headed back to Washington yesterday morning the moment those early voting numbers were released. He realized his problem is bigger than Florida and what better way to get national news coverage than jump on a national story. Obama didn’t know how bad the storm was going to be on Sunday afternoon when he boarded the plane headed for campaigning in Florida? I knew it was going to be a terrible storm on Sunday and the President didn’t? Give me a break!
Lee
October 30th, 2012
9:18 am
The Truth….Hmmmm lets see Romney desperate? Who is ahead in the polls?
indigo
October 30th, 2012
9:18 am
Stevie Ray – 9:09
Ignoring over 4,000 needless American military deaths cause by Republican lies, and just hoping the topic will go away, is rather childish.
Fervently hoping another Bush clone will be our next president is totally mindless.
Here’s a tip. The TOPIC is “I don’t want another Bush in the White House”. Why do you?
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 30th, 2012
9:18 am
robroka – “He turned Air Force One around and headed back to Washington yesterday morning the moment those early voting numbers were released.”
Yes, thank goodness a superstorm came ashore to distract the public from such an obvious ploy.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
9:18 am
Stevie
Thank you so much for correcting me.
He said it two days after this:
Luntz had organized the dinner – telling the invitees, “You’ll have nothing to do that night, and right now we don’t matter anyway, so let’s all be irrelevant together.” He had selected these men because they were among the Republican Party’s most energetic thinkers – and because they all got along with Luntz, who could be difficult. Three times during the 2008 election cycle, Sean Hannity had thrown him off the set at Fox Studios. The top Republican in the House, Minority Leader John Boehner, had nurtured a dislike of Luntz for more than a decade. No one had to ask why Boehner wasn’t at the Caucus Room that evening.
[...]
The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans had agreed on a way forward:
Go after Geithner. (And indeed Kyl did, the next day: “Would you answer my question rather than dancing around it – please?”)
Show united and unyielding opposition to the president’s economic policies. (Eight days later, Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama’s economic stimulus plan.)
Begin attacking vulnerable Democrats on the airwaves. (The first National Republican Congressional Committee attack ads would run in less than two months.)
Win the spear point of the House in 2010. Jab Obama relentlessly in 2011. Win the White House and the Senate in 2012.
“You will remember this day,” Newt Gingrich proclaimed to the others as they said goodbye. “You’ll remember this days as the day the seeds of 2012 were sown.” [Do Not Ask What Good We Do, pp. xvi-xix]
H/T MMA
and 4 or 5 days after this:
“So I’m thinking of replying to the guy, “Okay, I’ll send you a response, but I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.”
~Rush Limbaugh
Who started it?
Next week we’ll see who finishes it.
William
October 30th, 2012
9:18 am
That’s right, Jay.
Who give a s**t about some Marines and an Ambassador when it’s re-electing the Obamanation that we’re really concerned with here…
7 more days ..
NEVER AGAIN!
trueblueeagle
October 30th, 2012
9:19 am
Main stream media is far left and name calling does not answer why four american are dead and it could have been stop. Those will not remember history will repeat its mistakes.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 30th, 2012
9:20 am
Lee – “The Truth….Hmmmm lets see Romney desperate? Who is ahead in the polls?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
According to this it’s Obama up 280 to Romneys 235. Does that help to answer your question?
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 30th, 2012
9:20 am
I’m just glad that my tax money was stolen from me so that GM can supply cheaper Jeeps to the manchurians and Eyetalians.
.
gush…….thank you Obama…gush.
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
9:21 am
Jeep is shipping jobs overseas. They can produce them here and export, right?
Craig Berlin
October 30th, 2012
9:22 am
Jay, this sorta feeds into the notion that anyone who disagrees with Obama is either a racist or a wing-nut ad nauseum. If what some of us believe to be appropriate concern is in fact, hysteria, then why is it the mainstream media is not covering the issue in depth to put it to rest? That would seem to be their job – to get to the bottom of it and investigate the truth of any supposedly hyperbolic claims. That’s what CNN’s Erin Burnett and Anderson Cooper have done – not just Fox – but the rest of the media is playing softball and avoiding the issues. Perhaps that is because asking more questions will only serve to reveal more discrepancies and more vague answers from the White House that only make matters worse.
If the GOP and the hysterical right-wingers are wrong, then someone needs to come forward and prove it.
Not So Casual Observer
October 30th, 2012
9:23 am
The lies and cover-up are bad enough but the most frightening aspect of all of this is Jay and his left minnions who continue to support this failure of a POTUS. The USA can recover from this President’s far left agenda and attempts to destroy the economy and capitalism. The difficult thing to overcome is the ignorance of the Obama supporters.
Stop claiming the Generals agreed with Panetta. You know no such thing. The Generals speak and Panetta makes the decision. To leave Americans under attack for 7 hours without offering aid is unforgiveable. Air support was minutes, not hours away, and the failures are the administration and that is all there is to say.
Obama and his gang of trolls tried CYA for weeks and the more the Left cries about unrealistic attacks from the Right and “conspiracy”, the more foolish every Leftie who follows the company line begins to appear.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
9:23 am
William
October 30th, 2012
9:18 am
That’s right, Jay.
Who give a s**t about some Marines and an Ambassador when it’s re-electing the Obamanation that we’re really concerned with here…
.
.
.
Not you apparently.
Those of us with calmer heads and better intellects do.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 30th, 2012
9:23 am
trueblueeagle – “Those will not remember history will repeat its mistakes.”
So I guess you’re not a Romney supporter. Afterall, we certainly wouldn’t to repeat the mistake of invading a sovereign nation without provocation, now would we?
I get my news from Glenn Beck!
October 30th, 2012
9:24 am
“Obama is in very big trouble and he knows it. He turned Air Force One around and headed back to Washington yesterday morning the moment those early voting numbers were released.”
cc
October 30th, 2012
9:24 am
Option 3: Romney need say nothing about this incident: it speaks for itself.
Sources have stated that a request for a 130 gunship was made to take out the mortar being used against them. Even that was denied.
Serving your country now means that, under the Obama administration, you do so at your own peril and should expect no help in desperate situations.
It doesn’t matter how you ’spin it’, Bookman, you can’t justify Obama’s inactions.
DawgDad
October 30th, 2012
9:26 am
“Wake Up! Mitt was born rich and doesn’t give a damn about the middle class, poor, women, minorities, etc, etc.”
By all means, PLEASE keep encouraging people to vote for the candidate they most identify with!
Lee
October 30th, 2012
9:26 am
Butch, your numbers are comical. Please cite your source.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 30th, 2012
9:26 am
GM makes Jeep?
Heyward do you ever post anything with any accuracy? Chrysler manufacturers Jeep. Do you understand that they are not the same company?
Was that plant destroyed with that WI wedding party under a drone attack you claimed happened?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
9:27 am
Let me predict, that the excellent Government response to Sandy – See comments from Bloomberg and Christie – will make the Banghazi chant even more shrill.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 30th, 2012
9:27 am
Lee – “Butch, your numbers are comical. Please cite your source.”
Uhhhh…..did you not see the link posted directly above my comment?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 30th, 2012
9:27 am
INDIGO
Who is ignoring the deaths of our kids for no worthy reason? It’s just not relevant to the discussion of Benghazi…Bush is gone although you all immediately compare BO’s actions to the low bar set by Bush…doesn’t day much for your guy.
I’m not voting for either…to do so is a vote for things as usual in DC…
Craig Berlin
October 30th, 2012
9:28 am
“The criticism extends as well to the mainstream media, ”
Where might that be? I’d be curious to see it. Not Brian WIlliams, that’s for sure. Not Candy Crowley. Who?
robroka
October 30th, 2012
9:28 am
Butch Cassidy—
Do you seriously think the President of the United States didn’t know exactly how bad the storm was going to be when he boarded the plane Sunday evening? Go look at the facts. Nothing changed regarding the storm predictions between Sunday evening and Monday morning. The models and the forecasts didn’t change starting Friday morning. The Friday Morning headline that caused me to start begging my mother to leave her southern New Jersey home and head south was “Worst Storm in 100 Years.” Was the President not paying attention until Monday morning?
The only thing that changed was the realease of those early voting numbers! Facts, sir… Just the facts. You are proving my point about liberals disregarding truth, facts, logic and reason.
DannyX
October 30th, 2012
9:30 am
“Jeep is shipping jobs overseas. They can produce them here and export, right?”
Sure, just like Toyota, Nissan, and all of the other foreign car makers producing cars here can do the same. They should pack up and leave, they can produce there and export here.
RIGHT????
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 30th, 2012
9:30 am
Romney lying about Jeep will cost him Ohio. That alone, will sink his ship.
on the sound of 3...
October 30th, 2012
9:30 am
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
9:10 am
everyone….You is kind…You is smart…You is important….now everyone clap for the buffoon!!!
St Simons
October 30th, 2012
9:32 am
9,000 American parents that DONT HAVE THEIR CHILDREN anymore
because of the lyin treasonous neocon scum Little Nero with a Cowboy
Hat, and his Dick the VP –
Those parents would like a word with you out in the parking lot
behind the dumpster, you pompous con faux outrage chickenhawk
pieces of s…
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 30th, 2012
9:32 am
robroka – “Facts, sir… Just the facts. You are proving my point about liberals disregarding truth, facts, logic and reason.”
FACT – I’m not a Liberal.
FACT – It was well known that Obama had modified his campaign schedule in advance of the storm so that he could return to Washingtonm to monitor the damage.
FACT – Romney modified his campaign schedul as well due to the states thet were going to be affected by Sandy.
FACT – You make accusations and cast dispersions without actually having any FACTS.
Jet He
October 30th, 2012
9:33 am
Jay, remember Richard Nixon and Watergate. I guest that was just a break-in at a hotel. This is Obama’s lie gate and a US ambassador is dead along with 3 other Americans and you and the liberal think this is nothing to investigate. You should be fired for not doing your job, this is the ambassador to die since 1979 because of incompetence. Everyday more testimony comes out we find out how this president lied and coverup in Libya. Its not right wing rhetoric but the media not reporting the facts on Obama, this is the problem and a national tragedy. Basically this is why the news media is going down the toilet like the yesterdays food I ate. A bunch of ***P!!
indigo
October 30th, 2012
9:33 am
Stevie Ray – “I’m not voting for either”.
May I ask who you are voting for?
Ronald Reagan Parkway
October 30th, 2012
9:33 am
Where is HUH????
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 30th, 2012
9:34 am
Romney is still the 2-1 underdog with the gamblers.
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner
mwuahahahahaha
tm
October 30th, 2012
9:34 am
I like when Jay raises this topic- the name Benghazi appears at the top of the AJC web site and people who have never heard of any of the issues because it never appears in the nightly news get to at least look at what is being claimed even if Jay claims they are crazy.
Erwin's cat
October 30th, 2012
9:36 am
For those that have no idea about doing business in China
More often than not you can’t (read not allowed) sale there w/o producing there…and it’s one of the worlds fastest growing markets…Like it or not we live in a global economy and the trade rules are not a level playing field…life is so unfair eh?
Jet He
October 30th, 2012
9:36 am
Romney did not lie about Jeep, I say the same report about Jeep moving production to China because of US tariffs on imports to China. People are plain stupid, Chrysler is owned by Fiat and they will leave production in the US however any expansion will be in China. This article was in Bloomberg or the WSJ last week. The Bush rhetoric is foolish, Joe Biden voted for the invasion so Biden is also guilty along with Hilary Clinton.
dre
October 30th, 2012
9:36 am
Only a coward would support such cowardly behavior.
mustang100
October 30th, 2012
9:37 am
WHO said back in 2008 Obama was just an inexperienced second term junior senator on the make?
Anyone have a fork? This Administration is done! TIC-TOC-TIC-TOC-TIC-TOC!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 30th, 2012
9:38 am
GRANNY
My data comes from Woodwards book Price of Politics…given BO’s promise (among other busted ones) to bring the two parties together, the environment at the time was very positive, particularly with GOP….which resulted in the proposal as I mentioned…
“Elections have consequences Eric…And Eric I won…” This was within days of his inauguration and well documented in Woodwards book..
Lord Help Us
October 30th, 2012
9:38 am
You are correct, Jay.
The crazy has gone supernova…it is now selfsustaining.
It can only end with an apocalyptic meltdown…I have my seat belt fastened and a family sized bucket of popcorn…
People in Ohio said that they WILL NOT be fooled by Mitt Romney's false ad*** No October surprise!
October 30th, 2012
9:39 am
“Who will do more to support the auto industry? Not Barack Obama,” a male narrator says, adding, “Mitt Romney has a plan to help the auto industry.” The ad then shows video of Lee Iacocca, noting Romney had been endorsed by the longtime auto executive.
The ad then cuts to images of old cars being crushed. “Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build jeeps in China,” the narrator says. “Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”
ANALYSIS: This ad, airing in Ohio, a major battleground state, in the campaign’s final days, is an effort by the Romney campaign to turn Obama’s decision to bail out General Motors and Chrysler against the president.
Romney’s opposition to the bailout has bedeviled him in Ohio, where thousands of auto industry jobs were saved by the federal intervention. Polls show Romney consistently trailing Obama in Ohio, and a loss there would make it extremely difficult for the Republican hopeful to assemble the 270 electoral votes needed for victory.
The ad, while technically accurate in its claims, is misleading.
Its assertion that Obama took GM and Chrysler through bankruptcy is true. But the ad fails to mention the billions in government loans he extended to the two companies that allowed them to come out of bankruptcy and reorganize. Both companies are now profitable.
Romney also pressed for GM and Chrysler to go bankrupt, which he does not mention in this ad. He also wrote in a widely publicized New York Times column that if the companies received a government bailout, “You can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye.”
It’s true that Chrysler is now largely owned by Fiat, an Italian auto company that purchased a large stake in Chrysler when it was going through its bankruptcy reorganization. Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne gave Chrysler management expertise and technology that has helped the company make a comeback.
It’s also true that Chrysler is looking to produce some of its Jeep product line in China. But the company’s plans do not threaten Jeep production in the United States, as the ad seems to suggest.
The ad is more carefully worded that Romney’s claim in Ohio last week that “one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China.” Democrats cried foul, and Chrysler quickly released a statement saying it had “no intention” of shifting production from the U.S. to China. A company spokesman said Chrysler would build new plants in China to satisfy demand in Asia and elsewhere but that “U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation.”
robroka
October 30th, 2012
9:39 am
Hey Butch–
If you’d like to rely on a more accurate electoral college projection see: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Obama is only up by ten according to their projection. The kicker is that North Carolina is not a toss up! Romney is solidly ahead in every serious poll in the State. So far in fact, that Pew stopped polling there a few weeks ago. Go look up North Carolina’s recent statewide referendum on gay marriage. Obama’s recent evolution of principle on the issue sealed his fate with the Tar Heels.
Erwin's cat
October 30th, 2012
9:39 am
St Simons – 9,000 American parents that DONT HAVE THEIR CHILDREN anymore
because of the lyin treasonous neocon scum Little Nero with a Cowboy
Hat, and his Dick the VP –
It would have never happened w/o support from the democrats…both parties have blood on their hands don’t be naive
NA
October 30th, 2012
9:40 am
seems the left wing ( jay) is still talking about it—— must need defending big time.
JohnnyReb
October 30th, 2012
9:40 am
The stinch of this incident won’t wash off Obama even with the best soap and liberal media scrubbing like crazy. There was a huge dereliction of duty and cover up by Obama and his lackeys.
Obama has taken a page from the Clinton handbook – he lied to Americans on National TV. Perhaps he will run to Jeremiah for foregiveness.
Sagegirl
October 30th, 2012
9:40 am
“Exactly how many jobs did Romney actually offshore? Any idea?”
Check out the link below and then the articles and videos regarding Sensata Corp in Freeport ILL, now owned by Bain Capital. The plant is closing and Mitt Romney’s profit in outsourcing the plants 170 jobs is $500,000. Where are the jobs going you ask. Well they’re being shipped overseas. Care to guess where…??? China, of course.
http://tv.msnbc.com/shows/the-ed-show/
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 30th, 2012
9:41 am
“Obama lied to the American people and got caught. Someone died and he still denies responsibility.”
Riiiiiiiiiight … which is why Condoleeza Rice doesn’t even say that -
I get my news from Glenn Beck!
October 30th, 2012
9:42 am
Jeep is being taken over by soccer loving socialists, and manufactured by godless communists.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 30th, 2012
9:43 am
INDIGO
Good question…one of the others or none at all I reckon…I simply think the issue is not who is in office, but whether the government is functional which is clearly is not what with officials spending 30% of time raising money….subordinating our interests will below self serving objectives and especially big money..they have to pay for favors with votes..its completely dysfunctional ergo we only get flawed results..fiscal cliff is a shining example…nobody wants to cut anything that is a source for campaign cash…
Seems we could simply cut 20% out of defense and 10% out of everything else combined with modest tax increases (but not on businesses)…I don’t think the 1%’ers are alarmed about an increase they are more upset about how it will ge wasted…its only 80 billion a year anyhow..
Brosephus™
October 30th, 2012
9:45 am
EC
You do realize that talking common sense here sometimes requires translation, right?
Jm
October 30th, 2012
9:46 am
Why is Jay knocking Rambo? What a classic!
“and State Department concerns about violating Libyan sovereignty — made a military rescue mission impractical, the officials say.”
Man, some people just buy the BS spin way too easily. So, now we’re more concerned about violating the sovereignty of a failed state like tiny Libya than, say, nuclear armed Pakistan?
Whatever….
Erwin's cat
October 30th, 2012
9:46 am
sagegirl – Check out the link below and then the articles and videos regarding Sensata Corp in Freeport ILL, now owned by Bain Capital. The plant is closing and Mitt Romney’s profit in outsourcing the plants 170 jobs is $500,000. Where are the jobs going you ask. Well they’re being shipped overseas. Care to guess where…??? China, of course.
It would make much better sense to go bankrupt and out of business here huh?…either way those jobs are gone
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2012
9:46 am
The kicker is that North Carolina is not a toss up!
and neither is Michigan, but this is RCP, a place where right wingers can seek polling aid and comfort in a general election (at least it was in 2008)
if you click the RCP “no tossups” linkee, you have what Obama’s been polling in terms of EVs since mid-summer: 290 to Romney’s 248. What everyone seems to be forgetting is that the convention bounce afforded Obama was the anomaly; this is just regression to the mean, far as I can tell.
but who knows, maybe Team Romney can pull a rabbit out of its hat. It’s going to need to, with just five working days left.
St Simons
October 30th, 2012
9:46 am
Erwins Weasel – “It would have never happened w/o support….”
what a weasely comeback. Force was authorized IF NECESSARY
it was not, hence the LIE. It was a LIE that coerced that authorization.
weeeeeeak, man.
willie lynch
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
robroka
October 30th, 2012
9:28 am
You are proving my point about liberals disregarding truth, facts, logic and reason.
Let’s see, disregarding truth – birthers, facts – Ryan budget removes same money Romney claims the presidents plan does, logic – a woman’s body will shut down to prevent pregnancy during “legitimate rape”??? and reason – what’s the reason why Romney won’t release 10 years of tax returns?
You’re not suppose to look into the barrel.
NA
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
jobs outsourced to China
must be a reason
corporate tax structure to be redone to make the USA competitive,
taking care of currency in China would be helpful
supply and demand— simple economic learnings—— if someone had paid attention in economics classes.
Community organizers probably missed these classes.
American public demands cheaper goods———- if the public bought enough American made only that would also help. Obama can not fix what he does not understand. Also making corrections in capitalism is so un-socialistic and that is what Obama really wants——– no achievers allowed — keep everyone equal but below middle class as it is today.——- Stalin had a similar plan.
Mighty Righty
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
According to NBC News, Mitt Romney hasn’t mentioned Libya in his campaign appearances around the country since Oct. 12, which is more than two weeks ago. Now why do you think that is?
Jay left out a the third option which is when the enemy is shooting themselves why help? The arguement Panetta makes that it was too dangerous is reason to relieve him of any further responsibility for command of our military. The military has one job which obviously Panetta doesn’t understand. The military’s job is to “PROTECT” and “DEFEND” this nation, its citizens and Property from “ALL” enemies. In Panettea’s view he only defends if it is safe! Wow! Jay thinks everything is just fine and the political right” or correct side of this disagreement thinking the government should have lifted a finger to protect our embassy people are wrong. Amazing and shameless. But then consider the source as a left spokesperson common sense is too much to expect. Meantime in Jay’s view six weeks of contnuous lying by every left wing nut remotely associated with the white house including the president himself isn’t really needed because nothing happened to begin with. When the president alledgedly gave the order to get Bin Laden the white house could get videos out fast enough to make the president seem to be something that it is now apparent he is not. But this time, the video is hidden not only from we the people but from congress as well. What a bunch of lying scum run this country.
indigo
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
Erwin’s cat – 9:39
If the Democrats have any blood on their hands, it’s because they were naive enough to believe the President and Vice-President would never lie to them about such serious things as WMD’s.
alex
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
@people in ohio-yada, yada. yes, Administration did take Gm into bankruptcy, Bond holders and stockholders, however received nothing in return….Just a different type of bankruptcy, read the “economist” and 2 new books about the recession issues reviwed this week in the economist…..
Fiat gave expertise, are YOU serious, really, expertise…….drink the potion, look there’s a banana
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
Stevie ray
Again , thanks for correcting me.
That said….
Obama did work with those who were willing.
It is awfully naive you of you after learning about the Lintz meeting and the right wing media meme ” we want Obama to fail” to post the words “the environment at the time was very positive, particularly with GOP”
Your mask is slipping again.
Erwin's cat
October 30th, 2012
9:48 am
I know Bro…I know
Lissa M.
October 30th, 2012
9:49 am
Careful, Jay, you may end up like your fellow Obamabot Cynthia Tucker.
Woodstock Mike
October 30th, 2012
9:50 am
“Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself”
It’s interesting that liberals think a father who wants answers as to whey his son was killed in action is “right-wing” hysteria.
The hysteria is on the left because this election may not be close. Romney surging everywhere…
Jm
October 30th, 2012
9:50 am
The “drone” President respecting national sovereignty.
Now that’s funny….
People in Ohio said that they WILL NOT be fooled by Mitt Romney's false ad*** No October surprise!
October 30th, 2012
9:51 am
2-Chrysler Group profit up 80 pct, affirms 2012 outlook
DETROIT, Oct 29 (Reuters) – Chrysler Group LLC posted an 80 percent rise in quarterly net income on Monday on stronger new vehicle sales, continuing the U.S. automaker’s comeback from its 2009 bankruptcy.
Chrysler, majority owned by Italy’s Fiat SpA, also reaffirmed its outlook for the year. Fiat will issue its earnings on Tuesday.
Net income in the third quarter rose to $381 million from $212 million a year earlier. Net revenue increased 18 percent to $15.48 billion.
Globally, Chrysler’s auto sales rose 12 percent to 556,000 vehicles in the quarter.
“We’ve changed the conversation at Chrysler Group,” said Sergio Marchionne, chief executive of both Chrysler and Fiat.
Chrysler reaffirmed its 2012 forecast that calls for net income of about $1.5 billion on net revenue of about $65 billion.
Accounting for the full-year outlook, Chrysler expects fourth-quarter net income of about $210 million on revenue of $16.4 billion.
Chrysler’s free cash flow will be “well in excess” of $1 billion for the year, Marchionne said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/chryslergroupllc-results-idUSL1E8LT93I20121030
Ahem
October 30th, 2012
9:51 am
Left Wing Hysteria Over Dead Bass
You couldn’t write stuff more kooky than the following.
An Irvine resident is requesting that the city install a sign to memorialize the hundreds of fish killed in a traffic crash in early October as they were being taken to Irvine Ranch Market.
In the letter, Dina Kourda, on behalf of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, asks the city’s street maintenance superintendent to place the sign at the site of the crash on Walnut and Yale avenues.
The sign would read, “In memory of hundreds of fish who suffered and died at this spot,” to remind tractor-trailer drivers of their responsibility to the animals who are “hauled to their deaths every day,” according to the letter provided by PETA.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/sign-376051-fish-letter.html
Lissa M.
October 30th, 2012
9:51 am
@Down in Albany, we know exactly why your still down there, ENJOY!
Mr Right
October 30th, 2012
9:52 am
Those of us with calmer heads and better intellects do.
Those of us? Nothing like tooting your own horn, I’m smart —— you are dumb!
trueblueeagle
October 30th, 2012
9:52 am
Butch
I thought about writting in Jefferson Davis! to vote for Obama twice is stupid. but for someone to say there not liberal and defend Obama is crazy.
DannyX
October 30th, 2012
9:52 am
“…Bond holders and stockholders, however received nothing in return”
Total bs.
People in Ohio said that they WILL NOT be fooled by Mitt Romney's false ad*** No October surprise!
October 30th, 2012
9:52 am
alex
October 30th, 2012
9:47 am
Please thank me for the FACTS!!
Sagegirl
October 30th, 2012
9:53 am
Erwin’s cat
October 30th, 2012
9:46 am
If you read the articles you’ll find that Sensata is making a quarterly profit of 455 M since they bought the company in 2006. My questions to Bain would be: How much profit do you need to make? Sending good American jobs to China and stealing peoples retirement is just un-American IMO.
Ahem
October 30th, 2012
9:53 am
Gotta head off to THE $wing $tate and $tir the pot. Later.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 30th, 2012
9:55 am
GRANNY
Deflecting with allegations about my leanings…that seems to be a popular retort for many here who have no meaningful response to my posts.
The GOP certainly took that stance after being left at the “new bi-partisan, bring parties together alter of BO as promised in 2008…Good thing the Left would never take the position that they are focused on getting a GOP guy out..
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
9:55 am
DannyX, “Sure, just like Toyota, Nissan, and all of the other foreign car makers producing cars here can do the same. They should pack up and leave, they can produce there and export here.
RIGHT????”
They can do whatever they want to do, Danny, but they aren’t the topic here. Stay focused. Why is Jeep outsourcing production when they could provide jobs for Americans? Do they hate American workers or what? And since you’re supporting them, do you hate American workers too?
Donovan
October 30th, 2012
9:57 am
I find it chilling that people will support the likes of an incompetent community organizer again with blood on his hands and dismiss his latest deadly “bump in the road”. The first was Fast & Furious. This is one of the reasons that the choice in this election is so important.
We have witnessed the consequences of electing incompetent people to run this country. We have witnessed the consequences of a biased media to suppress the vital information to the electorate. And we have seen the consequences of the left in their expressions of lunacy like the Occupy people and liberal Bookmanites. For anyone to deny the obvious mistakes of this present Administration bodes trouble for a healthy nation. It is one thing to disagree and compromise, but it is another to shut out all
forms of common sense. This country works best on center position politics. This country has never worked well on leftist “progressive” thought. Such nonsense is better served with socialists and communists.
Obama is more concerned with his image of strength and protector. These cheap politicizing theatrics have led to deadly results. He and his administration are liars. They are out of their league and they are surrounded by people who are out of their league. Re-election or career advancement is their only purpose of existence.
The Benghazi consulate could have been minimally been overflown with armed assets within an hour of the attack. It had the capability. Crowd dispersion could have been achieved without force from low overflights. Any failure to disperse should have been met with guided munitions. Boots on the ground should have been initiated from the get go. This country need not worry about offending murderers.
The problem lies with the people and the mind-set of the people running this country. Appeasement breeds weakness and causes loss of life. Re-election for the purpose of retaining a liberal agenda causes loss of life.
To all you deniers out there…it’s not just Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannidy, and conservative people who are calling the Benghazi murders a cover-up. It is now the majority of this country calling it a cover-up.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
People in Ohio said that they WILL NOT be fooled by Mitt Romney's false ad*** No October surprise!
October 30th, 2012
9:57 am
RB from Gwinnett
October 30th, 2012
9:55 am
What is the brand of your automobile?
DannyX
October 30th, 2012
9:58 am
“Deflecting with allegations about my leanings…”
Seriously Stevie, you’re not fooling anyone. You may be an independent but you are far from being non-partisan.
Brosephus™
October 30th, 2012
9:59 am
Left Wing Hysteria Over Dead Bass…
An Irvine resident is requesting that the city install….
You just wrote something more kooky than that by posting that crap in an attempt to paint an entire political ideology (the Left) based upon the actions of a single person. That makes you the Imperial Grand Master of the Loyal Order of Kooks United.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 30th, 2012
10:01 am
“That makes you the Imperial Grand Master of the Loyal Order of Kooks United.”
bet THEY have an interesting handshake
robroka
October 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Butch–
“FACT – It was well known that Obama had modified his campaign schedule in advance of the storm so that he could return to Washington to monitor the damage.”
So, he just wanted to joy ride around on Air force One? Nothing changed regarding storm predictions. He flew from Washington to Florida on Sunday. Then woke up and flew back Monday morning. Why?
Romney changed his plans after Obama declared a de facto moritorium on campaigning. It was a solid tactical play on Obama’s part. Obama gets to go home and campaign all day from the situation room and Romney has to sit on his hands in a hotel room somewhere. Nobody’s saying Obama isn’t a skilled politician. How else do you go from the Illionis State House to The White House in a couple of years?
TaxPayer
October 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Poor cons. I could almost feel sorry for them if they were not cons.
Erwin's cat
October 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Indigo and St Simon’s
Excuses excuses!…So the left is too stupid to think for themselves??…You supported the effort because Cheney said so??…They didn’t have access to the same intelligence???…grow up and stop the childish excuse making….but but but
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 30th, 2012
10:02 am
“Why is Jeep outsourcing production when they could provide jobs for Americans? ”
for the same reason that Ford has a plant here in the UK – it’s cheaper to build close to your customers than to ship.
duh.
Lord Help Us
October 30th, 2012
10:02 am
‘ It is now the majority of this country calling it a cover-up.’
Link, please…
DannyX
October 30th, 2012
10:02 am
“Why is Jeep outsourcing production when they could provide jobs for Americans?”
Why is just about every single foreign car company producing vehicles here? Answer the question. Do they hate their own country’s workers? You make no sense RB.