Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself

Fox New anchors, right-wing websites and talk-radio hosts around the country are ginning up a wave of mass hysteria about the decision by the Obama administration not to attempt a military rescue of Ambassador Chris Stevens in Libya. (Glenn Beck is even telling listeners that the treason is more widespread, and that Stevens was acting as a gunrunner for al Qaida in Libya and Syria. I kid you not.)

Obama’s crime is said to be so heinous that mere impeachment for refusing to intervene would be insufficient. If you Google the words “Benghazi” and “traitor,” you get some 518,000 hits, almost all of which cast President Obama as that traitor. The criticism extends as well to the mainstream media, which as my email informs me, is being accused of covering up a scandal of such dimensions that it would supposedly dwarf Watergate.

But I have a question.

According to NBC News, Mitt Romney hasn’t mentioned Libya in his campaign appearances around the country since Oct. 12, which is more than two weeks ago. Now why do you think that is?

Option one: Mitt has joined the mainstream media as part of the pro-Obama conspiracy of silence to protect the president.

Option two. Romney’s military and foreign affairs advisers have told him that not even a minimally responsible case can be made that Obama should have intervened militarily at Benghazi, and that Romney would deeply embarrass himself by suggesting such a step.

Let’s be clear: There is no indication — none — that U.S military officials advised the president or anyone in the administration that a rescue operation was possible, and that the administration ignored that offer. The evidence is entirely to the contrary.

As Defense Secretary Leon Panetta explained, “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

That would be Gen. Carter Ham, the head of U.S. Africa Command, and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They are men of training and experience; they know where our military assets are located; they know their capabilities, and they know the difficulties involved in inserting and extracting an armed force into an uncertain situation in another country.

It is of course frustrating and heartbreaking to learn that CIA officers stationed near the Benghazi consulate had asked three times for military assistance and that those requests had been denied. But that is real life. This is not a Hollywood movie.

Here’s how Fox News reported the news above:

The most provocative piece of that report is the claim that a Special Forces team stationed at an air base in Signonella, Italy, two hours from Benghazi, was ready to intervene but orders were never given. But here’s how such mass hysteria gets fed by partial information, in both senses of the word “partial”. As it turned out, the Special Forces team in question was not based in Sigonella but had to be assembled and transported there from elsewhere in Europe.

“U.S. officials say (the team) did not arrive in Sicily until after the attack was over,” CBS reports. “Even if the team had been ready in time, confusion about what was happening on the ground in Benghazi — and State Department concerns about violating Libyan sovereignty — made a military rescue mission impractical, the officials say.”

Arguing against mass and willful hysteria using facts, logic and expert professional opinion is a losing battle, of course. It doesn’t matter that our top military people believed a rescue effort would be impractical and would probably end in the loss of even more American lives. What matters is that talk-show hosts and others can stir up millions of Americans raised on Rambo movies to believe that their leaders could have helped to rescue a well-respected U.S. diplomat and his team, but simply decided it wasn’t worth the effort. Because the president is a traitor.

That makes no sense. It is such a ridiculous notion that in most eras it would never even be broached in public debate. But this is an era in which many are predisposed to believe the most ridiculous things if it justifies their hatred of Obama, and a time in which when emotions are heightened by a hard-fought presidential campaign. So nonsense reigns.

– Jay Bookman

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Logical Dude

October 29th, 2012
4:27 pm

Yep, that’s the way to “wait for all the information” to come in from the ground.

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:30 pm

10 questions:

1.) To whom did the president give the first of his “three very clear directives”—that is, “make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to?”

2.) How did he transmit this directive to the military and other agencies?

3.) During the time when Americans were under attack, did the president convene a formal or informal meeting of his national security council? Did the president go to the situation room?

4.) During this time, with which members of the national security team did the president speak directly?

5.) Did Obama speak by phone or teleconference with the combatant commanders who would have sent assistance to the men under attack?

6.) Did he speak with CIA director David Petraeus?

7.) Was the president made aware of the repeated requests for assistance from the men under attack? When and by whom?

8.) Did he issue any directives in response to these requests?

9.) Did the president refuse to authorize an armed drone strike on the attackers?

10.) Did the president refuse to authorize a AC-130 or MC-130 to enter Libyan airspace during the attack?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
4:31 pm

Well jm is going to get a chance to share all his brilliance regarding that Sicilian base. :D

josef

October 29th, 2012
4:36 pm

I thought we wore this one out last night…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
4:36 pm

DowninAlbany… you forgot Liz Cheney’s “Mr. President, did you go to sleep that night?”

Mr. President, did you actually step away to go to the bathroom?
Mr. President, why did you not micromanage your military commanders?
Mr. President, do you know why my father lied to the American people and why he never answered these questions regarding his lies?

Mr. Snarky

October 29th, 2012
4:38 pm

Sounds par for the course for the wingnuts. They are devoid of honor.

Tom Rogers

October 29th, 2012
4:39 pm

Tyrone Wood said everything that needs to be said about Obama and his paper tigers: “Where the (bleep) is the Spectre?”

Rightwing Troll

October 29th, 2012
4:39 pm

8 WATERGATES!!!!… 8… COUNT THEM…

USMC

October 29th, 2012
4:41 pm

“RIGHT WING HYSTERIA… Blah, Blah, Blah…”- JAY BOOKMAN

LOL! It sounds like JAY is showing us his LEFT-WING HYSTERIA!

Getting nervous, Jay???

Tick tock, tick toc, tick tock, tick tock! :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:41 pm

10.) Did the president refuse to authorize a AC-130 or MC-130 to enter Libyan airspace during the attack?

11.) Which rental car agency was responsible for ground transportation from the airfield [Hertz, Avis, Budget or Enterprise]

TaxPayer

October 29th, 2012
4:41 pm

Republicans and there faith-based realities.

“I say it so it must be so otherwise God would not let me say it is so.”

:lol: Republicans are a hoot. :lol:

Rightwing Troll

October 29th, 2012
4:41 pm

“Sounds par for the course for the wingnuts. They are devoid of honor.”

And truth, credibility, honesty, morals… the list goes on and on…

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:41 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
4:36 pm

DowninAlbany… you forgot Liz Cheney’s “Mr. President, did you go to sleep that night?”

Mr. President, did you actually step away to go to the bathroom?
Mr. President, why did you not micromanage your military commanders?
Mr. President, do you know why my father lied to the American people and why he never answered these questions regarding his lies?

EXACTLY the answer I anticipated. Defend and deflect!

Logical Dude

October 29th, 2012
4:42 pm

“It is of course frustrating and heartbreaking to learn that CIA officers stationed near the Benghazi consulate had asked three times for military assistance and that those requests had been denied. ”

Okay, when did they ask, when were they denied?

Now, it can be argued that the terrorists/ militants / activists/ freedom fighters were just going after the CIA and not the Ambassador.
Because, you know, the CIA has such good standing worldwide.

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:42 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:41 pm

10.) Did the president refuse to authorize a AC-130 or MC-130 to enter Libyan airspace during the attack?

11.) Which rental car agency was responsible for ground transportation from the airfield [Hertz, Avis, Budget or Enterprise]

More of the same…defend and deflect! Thanks for confirming my suspicions!

josef

October 29th, 2012
4:42 pm

I’m going to ask the same question I asked last night. You’re the Man at 1600. The call comes in. What would you do?

JosyJo

October 29th, 2012
4:43 pm

Sure it’s a right wing conspiracy….unless it is your son who is killed waiting 7 hours for help that never came with three request denied. Two drones were there most likely with weapons that could have aided these men. Yes it’s a right wing conspiracy if you are a liberal who wants this to go away so you can elect a president who blames this on a video to save his job and goes out to campaign that day after these men lost their lives and blamed their murders on a video for weeks and weeks after. And I guess you can call it a right wing conspiracy if you are the liberal press who wear Vote Obama badges instead of Press badges.

Cspike

October 29th, 2012
4:43 pm

Mr. Bookman, your reasons for Romney’s silence are unimaginative and uncomplete. How’s this for a reason: he got tired of arguing with someone who was just going to lie. What good does it do to get into a “You did,” “No, I didn’t” confrontation?
As to the “harm’s way” argument, common sense would indicate that you would at least move forces in the direction of the conflict. Even if you decided not to engage them, at least they’d be in the vicinity. You’d have options. Not doing anything leaves you with exactly no options. You’re obviously an educated man. Doesn’t that strike you as being the least bit odd that they did NOTHING?
And you do realize that General Ham has very likely been relieved of duty since the attack. If that turns out to true, who are you going to blame then?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
4:43 pm

josef, I don’t remember seeing jm actually concede that his claim was false. Then again, we never seen any of the wingnutz just admit tht they were wrong.

josef

October 29th, 2012
4:43 pm

USMC

You better be nice to Big Daddy. He took up for you downstairs, you know.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
4:44 pm

Suspicions? We’s got a regular Sherluck Holmes here on this blog…….

Thulsa Doom

October 29th, 2012
4:44 pm

(Glenn Beck is even telling listeners that the treason is more widespread, and that Stevens was acting as a gunrunner for al Qaida in Libya and Syria.

Sounds crazy to me. Then again the idea of the Obama administration running guns to Mexican drug cartels via the fast and furious program sounded crazy.

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:45 pm

Reports suggest that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama didn’t see things the same on Benghazi. She wanted more security for diplomatic personnel, but Obama said no.

Common Sense

October 29th, 2012
4:45 pm

One of the few duties that POTUS has is to defend the citizens of the United States. This man is not an infant or a child. He does not have to wait for someone to “advise” him.

There was a real-time feed to the White House. He chose to do nothing. Nada. Zip.

Isn’t it time you quit making excuses and start asking some hard questions? Or are you afraid of what the answers will be?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:45 pm

More of the same…defend and deflect derisive mocking!

Your welcome.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

Steve Gooditis

October 29th, 2012
4:46 pm

It was 9/11 for gods sake with prior attempts made not only on that embassy but on others! That was a hint and a half on your a$$ to fortify the embassy! What glaring clue could they not pick up on? Just shows that nobody has common sense!

Thulsa Doom

October 29th, 2012
4:46 pm

Enough of this. We all know it was the video’s fault.

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:46 pm

Lt. Col. Tony Schafer told Fox News that sources were telling him that the President was watching the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya in real-time. Schafer told Fox that “only the President” could have ordered backup for the Americans who were under siege by terrorists so the President was most certainly informed of the situation as it was unfolding. “I hate to say this,” Schafer said, “according to my sources, yes, [the President] was one of those in the White House situation room in real-time watching this. And the question becomes, ‘What did the President do or not do in the moments he saw this unveiling?’ He — only he — could issue a directive to Secretary of Defense Panetta to do something.”

TaxPayer

October 29th, 2012
4:46 pm

Haven’t you heard, Jay. President Obama had a live feed. He’s got one everywhere. How else do you think those drones get to where he needs them when he needs them on a moment’s notice. President Obama just did not want to do anything over there and Republicans know this to be the truth because it is all part of their faith-based reality.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:46 pm

Reports suggest that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama didn’t see things the same on Benghazi.

Reports suggest that I will be the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl.

Class of '98

October 29th, 2012
4:47 pm

Jay, I have never met you, but based on your picture you bear a striking resemblance to Katherine Sebelius.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
4:47 pm

Admission: Steve Gooditis has NO common sense……

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:47 pm

Reports suggest that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama didn’t see things the same on Benghazi.

Reports suggest that I will win the Oscar for best director.

josef

October 29th, 2012
4:47 pm

Good Fight

I went back this afternoon and looked at last night’s after I left…nobody, friend or foe of Barack’s, could give a rational response to what they would’ve done in the President’s shoes…

JP

October 29th, 2012
4:48 pm

Only Jay and Chris Matthews believe their god-king is telling them the truth…it was all because of a YouTube video…no really it was. Pathetic.

Marty Huggins'

October 29th, 2012
4:48 pm

I do not have much of an issue with the way the 7 hours were handled as none of us have been given enough information to know why they chose to do what they did.

All of that will come out in time.

My issue was the handling in the aftermath.

Who exactly told Jay Carney and Susan Rice to continue to lie to the American people and blame this on a you tube clip?
One would assume that those orders did have to come from very high up or the administration is running a dangerously loose ship. Allowing mouth pieces for the administration to say whatever they want.

Mr. Snarky

October 29th, 2012
4:48 pm

“Sounds crazy to me. Then again the idea of the Obama administration running guns to Mexican drug cartels via the fast and furious program sounded crazy.”

Well, if it sounds crazy, then there must be some truth to it…obviously.

What a bunch of maroons.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 29th, 2012
4:48 pm

JAY,

It’s what we don’t know that we don’t know..for every source you cite that suggests this tragedy was handled with flying colors, another builds not unreasonable cases for the opposite..

Seems the right are getting under your skin with this issue as much as you on the left get out of the 47% issue…

I think the right should continue to pursue this with all vigor…despite what you said the other day, no way you and the liberal lunatic fringe that dominates this forum would hesitate to attack Romney if the shoe was on the other foot…

USMC

October 29th, 2012
4:49 pm

“You better be nice to Big Daddy. He took up for you downstairs, you know.”–josef

He did? Well hush my mouth, child! Thanks Jay. I still think Jay is nervous! :-)

“Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BOQOXYoOzE

Orange12

October 29th, 2012
4:49 pm

“Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself”

Jay,
I bet there is a good number of left wingers questioning this event too.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:49 pm

Reports suggest that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama didn’t see things the same on Benghazi.

Reports suggest that I will be spending the evening with Candace Swanepoel.

Erwin's cat

October 29th, 2012
4:49 pm

I think Mitt had/has more than just those 2 options…just sayin’

Cspike

October 29th, 2012
4:50 pm

Logical Dude, you need to change your name to Insensitive Dude. People are dead, and you’re being snarky?
As to your questions–when did they ask, when were they denied?–that’s exactly what I’d like to know, too. But Obama ain’t saying.
You posed the questions. Why do YOU think we don’t have answers?

Thulsa Doom

October 29th, 2012
4:51 pm

“nobody, friend or foe of Barack’s, could give a rational response to what they would’ve done in the President’s shoes…”

josef,

I woulda done the same as the president and just blamed a video for 2 weeks.

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:51 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:47 pm

Reports suggest that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama didn’t see things the same on Benghazi.

Reports suggest that I will win the Oscar for best director.

Talk about derisive mocking…pot, meet kettle!

USMC

October 29th, 2012
4:52 pm

“Debbie, questioning a poster’s military service — and personally, I have no doubt of USMC’s service — constitutes a personal attack on this blog. Please cease”–Jay BOOKMAN

Thank you Jay, while I COMPLETELY disagree with your politics, I really do like you. :-)

The other half of your brain.

October 29th, 2012
4:52 pm

josef

October 29th, 2012
4:42 pm

I’m going to ask the same question I asked last night. You’re the Man at 1600. The call comes in. What would you do?

You ask your Military and CIA what assets you have on the ground and get their asses over there, at the very least see if any drones are around.

To lie to the American public is a disgrace, and if anyone on this site doesn’t think he and others in his administration didn’t lie, then you are a pathetic.

Josef, what would you do? Jay wants to try and make this out not to be Obamas fault just like his crap piece on Fast & Furious.
Fox is the only station who seems to really care about this abortion.

Mr. Snarky

October 29th, 2012
4:52 pm

This is the perfect issue for the right wing echo chamber to get cons into a tizzy and off into fantasy land.
Lots of uncertainty about what happened…”reports” coming up the grapevine and out of the woodwork.
Of course most people don’t buy into the nuttiness nor do they want to explore wingnuts’ crazy theories.
Have fun, morons!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
4:52 pm

I bet there is a good number of left wingers questioning this event too.

I’m questioning where is that $6 a gallon gas by the election that you were predicting.

Look before I leap...

October 29th, 2012
4:52 pm

Not making any predictions about the outcome next Tuesday, but I honestly think Glenn Beck will throw a rod and stroke out right there on live television if Obama wins.

Thulsa Doom

October 29th, 2012
4:52 pm

“I think Mitt had/has more than just those 2 options…just sayin’”

Dontcha know? Jay speaks for Romney.

TaxPayer

October 29th, 2012
4:53 pm

Reports just in from Republicans confirm that if embassies were established in private businesses such as the Holiday Inn Express instead of government-run facilities, we would not be having this discussion.

Cspike

October 29th, 2012
4:53 pm

Good points, TAXPAYER, but consider this: those drones didn’t just appear out of nowhere. How did they just happen to be there at exactly the right time? I heard a report that it would have taken three hours for them to arrive. Does anyone know anything about this?

USMC

October 29th, 2012
4:54 pm

“You better be nice to Big Daddy. He took up for you downstairs, you know.”–Josef

That’s kind of like biting the hand that feeds you, isn’t it. Shame on me! As you were! :-)

Erwin's cat

October 29th, 2012
4:54 pm

Republicans know this to be the truth because it is all part of their faith-based reality.

last I read Obama is a self-identified Christian…Why do you criticize our President for being Christian?

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:54 pm

If you Google the words “Benghazi” and “traitor,” you get some 518,000 hits, almost all of which cast President Obama as that traitor.

And, I suppose all 518,000 (is that close to a “million-billion?) are right-wing zealots?

Thulsa Doom

October 29th, 2012
4:54 pm

“Of course most people don’t buy into the nuttiness nor do they want to explore wingnuts’ crazy theories.”

You mean crazy theories like 9/11 was an inside job by W?

They BOTH suck

October 29th, 2012
4:54 pm

Keep

Well per Jm’s post last night, I think he said the base in Sicily has the “usual weaponry”………..

:-)

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
4:56 pm

I googled “benghazi traitor” and had 525,000 “hits.” But, what’s 7,000 among friends?

Marty Huggins'

October 29th, 2012
4:56 pm

Mr. Snarky
October 29th, 2012
4:38 pm

Yep cause no lobs would ever do such a thing??

Google Bush 9/11 conspiracy.

Heck one even received an appointment to the White House

N-GA

October 29th, 2012
4:56 pm

Those right-wingers are really “workin’ for a livin’”. The problem is they are working for the enemy. They make the old SDS look like Minutemen!

St Simons

October 29th, 2012
4:56 pm

hey you can put a question mark at the end, and say ANYTHING!

what a trick! Everyone try it!

Does Ann have sex for money with the pool boy?
Is Mitt really Eddie Haskell from ‘Leave It to Beaver?’

deegee

October 29th, 2012
4:56 pm

What is it with all of these chicken hawks and their obsession with military maneuvers?!?!?!? It’s not a game of Battleship. I almost lost my breakfast yesterday after listening to Karl Rove, of all people, carrying on about armed drones. What a bunch of losers.

Mr. Snarky

October 29th, 2012
4:57 pm

Yes.
Crazy theories like that.

Marty Huggins'

October 29th, 2012
4:57 pm

Danged iPhone picking my words for me.

Libs not lobs

USMC

October 29th, 2012
4:58 pm

“Right-wing hysteria over Benghazi feeds upon itself”

Hysteria??? Kind of like this, right? :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgJoepQmS4

TaxPayer

October 29th, 2012
4:58 pm

Republicans have also confirmed that it was indeed Obama that made it impossible for drones to fly to Benghazi. Republicans acknowledge that they had only approved in their budget a maximum of $1.80 per gallon for fuel and President Obama knew this and did nothing to keep fuel prices at that level until the next appropriations bill was passed and signed into law.

The other half of your brain.

October 29th, 2012
4:58 pm

josef

October 29th, 2012
4:47 pm

Good Fight

I went back this afternoon and looked at last night’s after I left…nobody, friend or foe of Barack’s, could give a rational response to what they would’ve done in the President’s shoes…

Joseph, Not one of us knows what the President has at his disposal, but we all know what he didn’t have.
Lets face it he had an important date the following day and he really couldn’t be bothered.

Mr. Snarky

October 29th, 2012
4:59 pm

I never said there weren’t conspiracy theorists on the left.
I’m just not one of them.

USMC

October 29th, 2012
4:59 pm

“Libs not lobs”–Marty

Same difference! :lol:

Logan Sexton

October 29th, 2012
5:00 pm

Mr. Bookman, you are the usual blind Obama follower who will uphold Obama no matter what he does. There is no justification for what happened at Benghazi. Obama, the Pentagon, etc., are all guilty of standing idly by while those Americans died. No attempt whatsoever was offered or even thought of. They all watched while the atrocity took place. I listened to the father of Tyrone Woods, a very forgiving man in view of what happened to his son, whose death may rightfully be blamed on the incompetents in Washington, and what he said is totally believable, having nothing to do with the fictional right wing hysteria garbage you clam. You may invent all the excuses and pass the blame on that nonsensical “right wing hysteria” all you want, but your liberal arrogance and ignorance won’t change a single fact. If you can’t report the news accurately, I suggest you find another job.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
5:00 pm

I google Benghazi traitor and got “About 518,000 results (0.24 seconds)”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
5:00 pm

josef, I don’t know that a rational person can give an answer without first having the information I was asked last night. Well other than a few posters of assery who are just “geniuses in their own mind.” Like all good Americans who are not trying to make everything a political issue, I am sure that the President asked for rescue options. If the event been 4 weeks rather than 4 hours, there would have likely been actions. 4 hours was just not enough time to pull anything together. It appears that efforts were underway and it is likely a great deal of information is classified for good reason.

josef

October 29th, 2012
5:00 pm

The Other Half

What would I do? I won’t even speculate. Most likely, I’d do what I suspect the rest of us here would do, I’d say, “oh, sh*t!”

We can argue the being prepared, we can argue how to handle it once it’s happened, but in real time as it was occurring?

Many, it seems, say bomb the hell out of ‘em. And blast the consulate and its inhabitants into oblivion in the process?

Jay

October 29th, 2012
5:00 pm

OK, CSpike, let’s deal with your points one by one:

How’s this for a reason: he got tired of arguing with someone who was just going to lie. What good does it do to get into a “You did,” “No, I didn’t” confrontation? By that notion, Romney might as well quit campaigning altogether. It’s really a silly argument on your part.

“As to the “harm’s way” argument, common sense would indicate that you would at least move forces in the direction of the conflict. Even if you decided not to engage them, at least they’d be in the vicinity. You’d have options. Not doing anything leaves you with exactly no options. You’re obviously an educated man. Doesn’t that strike you as being the least bit odd that they did NOTHING?

As reported above, they didn’t “do nothing.” Clearly, Panetta, Ham and Dempsey had high-level discussions about whether a rescue mission was feasible and should be recommended to Obama. They decided otherwise. In addition, as also reported above, Special Forces teams were assembled and moved to a potential staging area in Sicily, as reported above, but the window for action was closed by then.

“And you do realize that General Ham has very likely been relieved of duty since the attack. If that turns out to true, who are you going to blame then?”

“Very likely been relieved of duty?” Yes, I know that’s the hottest right-wing rumor on the Internet. Except Ham hasn’t been relieved of duty at all. He’s doing the same job today that he did last month, running AfriCom. Yes, his eventual replacement as head of AfriCom has been named as part of the regular rotation of responsibility, but Ham will stay on the job until the new appointee is confirmed by Congress next year. Gen. Dempsey, head of the Joint Chiefs, was even forced to respond to that nonsense, saying the rumor is “absolutely false” and is part of ““routine succession planning.”

Believe me, if a four-star general had been relieved of a major command because of a serious disagreement with his civilian bosses, we would ALL know about it.

TaxPayer

October 29th, 2012
5:02 pm

last I read Obama is a self-identified Christian…Why do you criticize our President for being Christian?

I would say that it is you that criticizes the President, Erwin, not I. Unless of course you care to cite a post from me making the claim that you claim to be the truth. Anyway, that’s quite the faith-based reality you got there.

Lynnman

October 29th, 2012
5:02 pm

What Jay misses is the shameful lack of professional journalism integrity being shown by media outlets like the Atlantic Journal. No interest. No questions. No desire to look at anything that may make Pres Obama’s administration look bad. Lucky Fox is at least looking at this. What would have happened if Jay were investigating Watergate (where their were no deaths by the way?)

USMC

October 29th, 2012
5:02 pm

Erwin's cat

October 29th, 2012
5:02 pm

I googled “Beatles to reunite” and got 1,540,000 hits 0.57 sec

What a fun game!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
5:02 pm

Other half: Lets face it he had an important date the following day and he really couldn’t be bothered.

Well we know which lower half that was pulled out of. :roll:

EricEpicHolland

October 29th, 2012
5:03 pm

What is the military for if not to defend the people of America? The President should not have needed to deploy anyone to save these Americans, he should have listened the many times they begged for security. Obama should have known that Britain pulled out because of the attacks and threats. If he was unaware, why? Don’t you want someone who is reliable? If he did know, why was security not sent before this tragic event happened? Why did he lie to all of us when he was sent emails and could watch the event play out real time from a drone? Either way the paper falls Obama comes off as weak. Anyone who is avoiding these questions is doing so primarily for political gain. Your “Right-Wing hysteria” comment is way over the top (except for maybe Glen Beck, he is goofy to say the least…). Either way this slanted perspective deflects the very questions many of us Americans have about Obama’s decision. Could he really go to sleep for a fundraiser the next day, knowing that his own ambassador and other would be killed without help? Seems to me like the president lied when he said his goal was to “keep the American people safe”, should be “keep the American People safe as long as it doesn’t hurt my campaign or image”.

Bjenkum

October 29th, 2012
5:03 pm

Jay, I was around for Reagan/Lebanon, USS Cole, Kobar Towers and this is an msm non story compared to those. And there where no coverup lies on those to boot. The president is a moral coward.

Navy wife

October 29th, 2012
5:03 pm

Regarding Romney not pouncing on this, you forgot option 3: When your opponent is hanging himself, get out of the way…

ad

October 29th, 2012
5:04 pm

Benghazi is to take your mind off the many positions Romney has had on birth control, abortion, entering Pakistan to go after terrorists, tax cuts, deduction eliminations, whether the government should get involved in aiding people after natural disasters, whether he doesn’t care about 47% of the people, that Romneycare was the model for Obamacare, that his religion believes that you can baptise the dead and you need to wear special underwear, that his grandfather had 12 wives, that he owns a dancing horse and a garage with an elevator, that he said he’d left Bain capital before it shut down companies only to find out that the papers filed with the SEC said he was still heading up Bain, that he got multiple deferments to keep from being drafted so he could go to France, that Massachusetts wouldn’t re-elect him, that he begged the Federal government for hand-outs for the Salt Lake City Olympics, that his advisors are all GW Bush advisors, that his company out sourced jobs to China, that he’s got gobs of money stored off-shore in the Caymans and Switzerland and that he’s keeping his tax records a big secret for some reason. Look at Benghazi – don’t look at the man behind the GOP curtain!

Marty Huggins'

October 29th, 2012
5:04 pm

Mr. Snarky
October 29th, 2012
4:59 pm

But your post was that it is par for the course for cons.

When in reality it is par for both sides as evident by a quick google search.

You must have forgot to type that part.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 29th, 2012
5:05 pm

Lucky Fox is at least looking at this.

Yes, lucky…. the 3 richard man… Peter Johnson Jr., Ailes hitman and personal attorney, is looking into it deeply dontchaknow…. “well I have no evidence for this but…..” oh the integrity….

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

October 29th, 2012
5:05 pm

…got tired of arguing with someone who was just going to lie…

That is why I do not discuss politics with conservatives.

Recon 0311 2533

October 29th, 2012
5:06 pm

I don’t think Obama’s guilty of high treason but he and his administration should be held accountable for incompetency and for the attempted cover up of facts. It’s now well documented that though necessary requests for additional security were ignored and later denied. Some military experts dispute the statements that there wasn’t any viable reaction force assets that could have assisted. One retired Air Force General stated that F-16’s out of Aviano, Italy could have been scrambled to at least fly intimidating low altitude runs over the attackers that very well could have caused them to break off their assault. Obama has not handled this well nor has Clinton.

eddy

October 29th, 2012
5:06 pm

Only Jay and his trolls believe that the reaction to the Benghazi attack and massacre of the 4 Americans is out of proportion to the actual event. Obama and his surrogates lied, tried to cover it up and now have been caught in their lies. So it was the video says Obama and his minions…PS, Jay, his minions represent the official position of the Obama administration and they did not “just make it up on their own”. Now trying to reinvent history when the facts and data don’t support any of their made-up story. But of course, Zippy is not man enough to stand in front of a microphone and give a detailed version of what actually happened (Oh wait, I must go to a fund raiser). Some people will lose their jobs because of this plus numerous other screw-ups…thankfully Obama will be one of them. I know, I know….I’m racist for having an opinion that is opposite what Obama stands for. I don’t dislike him because of his color but because of his absence of character, leadership and general incompetence.

Frank

October 29th, 2012
5:06 pm

Gen. Ham has been arrested for preparing a special forces team to enter Libya on9/11. That was his assessment of the situation before being relieved of duty. His expert opinion! And the special advisors to the president waved him OFF!!! Why?! I, we, the American people just want to know why! Now we can’t criticize our prez bcuz there’s an election coming up? We don’t care about that, give us answers!
READ JAY! then look again at your opinion piece

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/10/rogue-u-s-general-arrested-for-activating-special-forces-teams-ignoring-libya-stand-down-order-2487316.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
5:07 pm

Jay, I was around for Reagan/Lebanon, USS Cole, Kobar Towers and this is an msm non story compared to those.

I was around for the French and Indian war and Battle of 1812

Marty Huggins'

October 29th, 2012
5:08 pm

USMC
October 29th, 2012
4:59 pm

Maybe so but we all know on this blog there are those who would prefer to focus on a typo than what is the point being made.

Wanted to clear up any confusion and blame my iPhone.

That’s 750 I should have kept in the bank

The other half of your brain.

October 29th, 2012
5:08 pm

We can argue the being prepared, we can argue how to handle it once it’s happened, but in real time as it was occurring?

Josef, Isn’t being prepared supposed to mean if anything happens we have the ability to re-act immediately.
Obama is the CIC and it is his responsibility to make sure we are prepared, the buck ( or in his case 1 penny ) stops with him.

Our Military is supposed to have contingencies for anything like this, obviously they didn’t.

Joseph

October 29th, 2012
5:08 pm

Whether you like it or not Jay this is a huge story. Obama simply let people die because he wouldn’t make a decision to go in to help… I guess libs like you don’t mind collateral damage….

Keepmyfreedom

October 29th, 2012
5:08 pm

Option Three: Romney is talking about restoring our economy instead, since he is confident the truth will come out because the excuses and the evidence are so far askew that no logical person could possibly believe the distortions of this Prez and his lap dogs. This won’t be the first time this “leader” abandoned his country and duty: http://freebeacon.com/five-times-obama-has-apologized-for-america/ The problem with Libs is that they are so sanctimoniously righteous that they are blinded by their ideology and completely abandon any attempt to comprehend the truth. Jay, find another career because you’re not very good at this journalism gig.

CJ

October 29th, 2012
5:09 pm

DownInAlbany @4:30,

I assume you pursued the answers to those questions each time our diplomatic facilities were attacked when Bush was president (about a dozen). If so, what did you find out? If not, why not? Is it possible that you only care about the answers to such questions when a Democrat is in the White House?

Jay

October 29th, 2012
5:09 pm

Ah, and Frank takes it all a step further: General Ham has been ARRESTED!!!

RB from Gwinnett

October 29th, 2012
5:09 pm

Help ‘em cover it up Jay. That’s what real journalists do, right?

This is pathetic even for you, but what else should we expect from a worthless liberal rag that hasn’t even run a story on the issue as if its not happening. What the hell ever happened to the media wanting the truth? Geez…

DownInAlbany

October 29th, 2012
5:09 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 29th, 2012
5:00 pm

I google Benghazi traitor and got “About 518,000 results (0.24 seconds)”

And, your point is….?

mbtc

October 29th, 2012
5:09 pm

Damn, Albany, you’re a regular Nuremburg inquisitioner. Monday morning quarterback much? Where were you when the dunce of death, Bush II, unleashed the most costly misadventure in terms of human life and treasure in the history of the nation? Will you be prosecuting Bush for his war crimes?