The right wing is losing its last two marbles over Benghazi

Former Secretary of State Condi Rice went on Fox News Wednesday to discuss the Obama administration’s handling of the Benghazi attacks. Given her background and experience, she actually knows a thing or two about such issues, and it showed in her comments.

“When things are unfolding very very quickly, it’s not always easy to know what’s going on on the ground…,” she told Greta Van Susteren. “There’s a big picture to be examined here but we don’t have all of the pieces and I think it’s easy to try to jump to conclusions about what happened here. It’s probably better to let the relevent (investigative) bodies do their work.”

“The problem is when there is a fog of war like this, there are a lot of competing stories coming in, there’s a lot a competing information coming in, and it takes a little while to know precisely what has happened,” she went on to explain.

Even now, a month later, what Rice refers to as “the fog of war” has yet to lift. It took 10 days after the attack to even get FBI agents on the ground in Benghazi. To this day, there are still indications that the anti-Muslim video and the protests in Egypt played some role in what happened. There are still serious doubts whether the local militia group believed responsible has any ties whatsoever to al Qaida. And there is very good reason to believe that the attack was a crime of opportunity rather than some carefully planned military operation.

All in all, the tumult on the right about this story probably has the lowest content-to-noise ratio of any of the fake outrages fabricated so far by the right-wing media, and yes, I understand that’s saying a lot. Conservatives can’t even articulate what they’re mad about, only that they’re mad and somehow it’s Obama’s fault.

Michael Hirsh, a journalist with extensive overseas and warzone experience, does a good job of putting the fake scandal in context in a piece for National Journal. Take, for example, the newly released e-mails in which the State Department was notified that an Islamist group had claimed credit on Facebook for the Benghazi attacks. (The Facebook posting also called for an attack on the embassy in Tripoli, which never took place).

As Hirsh notes:

“The e-mails in question contained nothing more than “raw” intelligence, uncorroborated and unverified, that often flows in after an event. Intelligence officials typically don’t deliver their assessments until they have “finished” reports based on multiple sources, and corroborated evidence, and Obama officials such as (UN Ambassador Susan) Rice certainly would not have been out in front of the TV cameras citing raw intelligence. And as the government’s most senior officials say, the Benghazi case has taken them a long time to finish. “People forget that a Palestinian group was the first to claim credit for 9/11,” the intelligence official said. “There was no message from the field in those first hectic days that would have eliminated questions or proven who was behind the attack.”

He can believe him, or you can believe what the Sean Hannitys of the world are saying, which goes something like this:

– Jay Bookman

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USMC

October 25th, 2012
2:55 pm

“The right wing is losing its last two marbles over Benghazi”–JAY BOOKMAN

OBAMA LIED…. PEOPLE DIED!

Daedalus

October 25th, 2012
2:57 pm

What makes you think they had any marbles to begin with?

Oh, and Second?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 25th, 2012
2:58 pm

Conservative Marksmanship; Ready, Fire, Aim

Jay

October 25th, 2012
2:59 pm

Thanks, USMC, for proving my point so damn eloquently.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
2:59 pm

Man that was funny :)

Great stuff and they are desperately wanting a scandal but there are none.

cnn blew it too with speculation and Panetta is scolding the media..

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2012
3:00 pm

I have to admit, I was a little surprised to see Kyle carrying this swamp water, this week.

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2012
3:02 pm

USMC, if you already answered this question Jay posed yesterday forgive me for asking again.

But if this Benghazi “scandal” were so important, if “Obama lied/people died,” why didn’t Romney bring it up during a foreign policy debate?

Rightwing Troll

October 25th, 2012
3:04 pm

8 WATERGATES!!!!

Rightwing Troll

October 25th, 2012
3:05 pm

That’s 2 a year for you science challenged wingnuts…

RF

October 25th, 2012
3:06 pm

“Conservatives can’t even articulate what they’re mad about, only that they’re mad and somehow it’s Obama’s fault”

Sums up the last four years rather nicely. Actually, they’re mad because a minority of less than desirably heritage actually won the election and haven’t recovered yet. Could happen again, and I bet we’ll see some fun times in the OK Corral then.

Fedup

October 25th, 2012
3:07 pm

Correction: Bush slept while 3000 innocent people died.

Rightwing Troll

October 25th, 2012
3:08 pm

They’ve been desperately wanting a scandal for 4 years, that’s why they keep making up Watergate events… can you blame them after 2000-2008 and all the scandals? And before that, before their 8 year long witch hunt of President Clinton, the Iran Contras and all the scandals of the Reagan whitehouse… poor addled fool didn’t even know what was going on back then…

Erwin's cat

October 25th, 2012
3:08 pm

All Obama had to do was say that the consulate was attacked, the Ambassador and 3 others were killed and we are investigating the events and facts to determine who is responsible and their motivations.

They obviously didn’t want to call it a terror attack for political benefit…so instead they pushed the video card instead of saying they didn’t know all the facts yet…It’s the cover up that destroys credibility not so much the mistake/action

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 25th, 2012
3:08 pm

“buuuurn her”

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2012
3:09 pm

…see USMC, unlike perhaps a few lefties here, I don’t think Mitt Romney is a stupid man, lacking in intellectual keenness.

I think Romney is actually very intelligent. And when, during the last debate, Obama said this (emphasis mine):

think it’s important to step back and think about what happened in Libya. Keep in mind that I and Americans took leadership in organizing an international coalition that made sure that we were able to, without putting troops on the ground at the cost of less than what we spent in two weeks in Iraq, liberate a country that had been under the yoke of dictatorship for 40 years.

Got rid of a despot who had killed Americans and as a consequence, despite this tragedy, you had tens of thousands of Libyans after the events in Benghazi marching and saying America is our friend. We stand with them.

…if Romney thought there was political advantage to be made by criticizing Obama’s assessment of the situation in Libya, he could have done so. But he chose not to, and I think it’s because he is smart enough to know that there’s “no there, there.”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Yes, some are comparing this to Watergate. Some are saying it is worse than Wategate.

And we allow these people to drive heavy machinery and vote.

Fedup

October 25th, 2012
3:11 pm

I thought 8 divided by 4 is 2. A seven year old solved that problem and yelled math problem. I guess cons cannot differentiate between math and science.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
3:11 pm

Witches was last cycle.

The cons get caught up in their own bs and work themselves up to a frenzy.

It is a sight to behold and very funny :)

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:11 pm

EC

Good point. Hopefully the FBI report is able to provide clarification.

With that said, no different when Bush was attacked for everything under the sun, a percentage on the right do not care what the real story is, as long as Obama goes down.

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

Thanks, USMC, for proving my point so damn eloquently.

That’s like taking candy from a baby. Too easy to try to claim credit for.

:)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 25th, 2012
3:13 pm

JAY,

Thats all well and good but the fact that Obama knew it was terroist activity and said such combined with 2 weeks of “video” crap from his people is what needs to be explained…

It was 9/11 and it is an election year…..optics are horrid…

I still don’t understand why Obama claimed it was a terror attack in Rose Garden (although his UN speech mentioning “video” over and over) all the while his people were citing the video?

You can’t say that this has not been spun due to election year until these contradictions are cleared up…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 25th, 2012
3:13 pm

They work themselves into a:

froth
lather
frenzy
tizzy
bind
…..

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:14 pm

stands

I do not think Bush was a stupid man either. Many on the left played that card over and over. Misguided imo but surely not stupid.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 25th, 2012
3:15 pm

You cons will have plenty of time to sift through the data during Obama’s 2nd term.

mwyahahahahhahahaha

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 25th, 2012
3:15 pm

I do not think Bush was a stupid man either.

umm, Harriet Myers???

TaxPayer

October 25th, 2012
3:17 pm

Cons need to fix bayonets and get on over to Benghazi and take care of business if they think something still needs addressing. Who knows. Maybe they’ll stumble across Bush’s missing WMD’s while over there poking things with their bayonets.

Doggone/GA

October 25th, 2012
3:17 pm

“I do not think Bush was a stupid man either”

I don’t think he’s stupid, but I think he’s worse…he’s incurious

RB from Gwinnett

October 25th, 2012
3:17 pm

Very simple…. Why was the video BS shoveled on the people by this administration for two full weeks?

I don’t care when the attack was called what, I just want that question answered. Who made it up might be an added bonus.

What’s your opinion Jay?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 25th, 2012
3:17 pm

STANDS,

I think Romney didn’t bring this up because he didn’t handle the first 24 hours well and also didn’t want the debate to get confrontation like the prior..apparently women voters are turned off by this..

ERWINSCAT

Very well put…one can only expect the LIBS to move as quickly as possible to get this under the carpet….The right tried the same thing with 47% stuff and Romney apologized by the hits keep coming..

Joe Hussein Mama

October 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

E. Cat — “All Obama had to do was say that the consulate was attacked, the Ambassador and 3 others were killed and we are investigating the events and facts to determine who is responsible and their motivations.”

And all Bush had to do was put down his copy of My Pet Goat, say ‘I’m sorry, but I’ve just been advised of a situation that requires my immediate attention. I’m sorry to have to leave so abruptly, but it is absolutely necessary. The details will soon be coming to you via TV and radio news, if they’re not already being broadcast right now.’

But no. He sat there for what, seven, eight more minutes? While New York burned and people leapt a thousand feet to their deaths?

IMO, this is why conservatives are losing their heads over Benghazi. They want — no, they NEED — something that’s as bad for Obama as 9/11 was for Bush. And they think they’ve found it.

Real Scootter

October 25th, 2012
3:19 pm

umm, Harriet Myers???

umm, Kagan and Sotomayor???

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
3:19 pm

I do not think Bush was a stupid man either.

umm, Harriet Myers???

I don’t think it was Bush as much as it was the advisors surrounding him. Most people tend to give the POTUS far too much credit/blame for thinking when they have advisors that feed them information on everything except how to wipe their ass.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:20 pm

Always have to love Monty Python…..

Jack

October 25th, 2012
3:21 pm

Benghazi didn’t even quack like a duck….the Wingnuts should just stick with being “poor” white Christian victims of the social justice conspiracy zealots. Hoping to take their America back from these insolent “others”. How dare we let facts and science get in the way of faith and willful ignorance. Burn ‘em I say

Jay

October 25th, 2012
3:22 pm

Whatever shred of respect I once had for John McCain is gone, permanently.

Earlier today, former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for president. McCain didn’t like that, and he said so. “All I can say is: Gen. Powell, you disappoint us,” McCain said. “And you have harmed your legacy even further by defending what has clearly been the most feckless foreign policy in my lifetime.”

That’s all fine. I understand McCain being upset, although given that McCain was a strong backer of the foreign policy of George W. Bush, he’s not exactly in position to criticize. But it’s politics.

Which here’s where it goes beyond politics. In attacking Powell, McCain went on to say:

“I think one of the sad aspects of his career is going to the United Nations Security Council and telling them things about Iraq that were absolutely false.”

I just find that unbelievable.

Personally, I think Powell ought to be ashamed of that UN appearance, and he has said as much himself. But no person of integrity, given McCain’s own position on the Iraq war and the presence of WMD, would ever stoop to taking such a cheapshot. That is just low.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:23 pm

Too important not to point out as most conned posters never really seem to read the article.

The e-mails in question contained nothing more than “raw” intelligence, uncorroborated and unverified, that often flows in after an event. Intelligence officials typically don’t deliver their assessments until they have “finished” reports based on multiple sources, and corroborated evidence, and Obama officials such as (UN Ambassador Susan) Rice certainly would not have been out in front of the TV cameras citing raw intelligence

PEOPLE DIED….. CONS LIE! Shame. Shame. Shame.

Gus

October 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

The deaths in Libya are tragic. The U.S. averages 10 drownings per day. Maybe the republicans will attack water next.

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

“I think one of the sad aspects of his career is going to the United Nations Security Council and telling them things about Iraq that were absolutely false.”

When the ship starts to go down, they drown their own in order to try to save their own ass. That’s sad.

Real Scootter

October 25th, 2012
3:25 pm

But no. He sat there for what, seven, eight more minutes? While New York burned and people leapt a thousand feet to their deaths?

Dang Joe,I guess if Bush hadn’t sat there for that long he could have caught some of those folks that were jumping .Apples and oranges IMO.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:26 pm

But no person of integrity, given McCain’s own position on the Iraq war, would ever stoop to taking such a cheapshot. That is just low.

Another sad chapter in McCain’s political career.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
3:27 pm

mccain hits a new low and a sore loser.

Warren can debate and beat Brown..

Looks like the Dems found a leader to replace Hillary.

Doggone/GA

October 25th, 2012
3:27 pm

Jay – I lost respect for McCain a long time ago, but given what you’ve just posted…it would be interesting to know what he said about that UN presentation at the time.

Gale

October 25th, 2012
3:28 pm

@Scooter, You really want to compare Harriet Myers with Kagen and Sotomayor?

Jay

October 25th, 2012
3:28 pm

“The optics are terrible” is another way of admitting that there is nothing of real significance here, Stevie Ray. It is only the “optics.”

Even today, the CIA believes the video played some role. Even today, they believe that the attack was put together hastily, perhaps inspired by what was happening in Cairo. The only major element that has changed for sure in our understanding of the attack was that there was no protest outside the consulate gates in Benghazi, as was first believed.

How you can try to condemn the administration for not telling the story straight immediately when we do not even know what the straight story is today is simply remarkable. Trying to turn that into another Watergate-level scandal extends “remarkable” to “downright ludicrous.”

Rightwing Troll

October 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

“I do not think Bush was a stupid man either.”

He wasn’t a particularly bright man… but he did have a certain ability to land on his feet…

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

McCain is still reeling and upset because of his awesome VP nominee choice and Obama having to remind him a few months after the election that it was over………….

Rightwing Troll

October 25th, 2012
3:30 pm

* WATERFATES…!!!… COUNT EM, 8…!!!… WATERGATES…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:30 pm

Presidential decisions should rarely be played on the “optics”. It’s too bad Mitt and the right fail to comprehend this.

USMC

October 25th, 2012
3:30 pm

“Thanks, USMC, for proving my point so damn eloquently.”–JAY

Jay, you can spew your bluster all you want. The Facts remain.

Rightwing Troll

October 25th, 2012
3:31 pm

which is kind of humorous since it only took one to force the GOP’s Tricky Dick out of office…

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:34 pm

hahahahaha

:-) ;-)

Trump’s offer—$5 million to the charity of the president’s choice in exchange for the release of Obama’s college and passport applications—was mocked mercilessly on Twitter.

On “The Tonight Show With Jay Leno,” President Barack Obama laughed it off, joking to Leno that the bad blood between him and the real estate mogul turned “birther” conspiracy theorist “dates back to when we were growing up together in Kenya.”

Real Scootter

October 25th, 2012
3:35 pm

Gale

October 25th, 2012
3:28 pm

Yes Gale,only on their views of the right to bear arms though.

Thomas

October 25th, 2012
3:35 pm

If the WH didn’t want to rush to judgment then why did it rush to judgment why did the WH rush to judge “uncontrollable and hostile expressions of the current thinking at that moment of folks who may not care for us due to reasons that we caused” to emanate from a YouTube video?

Per usual what a joke. Like most administrations they look for the blame that costs the least for the hopeful outcome of them not being scarred.

If only PT Barnum was alive today he would greatly enjoy at today’s media.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
3:35 pm

Powell is a better leader than mccain.

mccain is party first not country first.

That is a failed leader.

media and the gop politicizing the Libya attack backfired.

mitt does not have the spine to stand up for women on rape is a huge mistake.

Our President has the big mo and will win again to remain undefeated.

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

“The Facts remain.”

yes that you do not have the whole story, nor does Jay, etc, etc

Yes that fact remains

Joe Hussein Mama

October 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Jay — “Personally, I think Powell ought to be ashamed of that UN appearance, and he has said as much himself.”

I briefly met General Powell (while he was still in Army uniform) when I was stationed in Hawaii. He dropped by in 1991 to participate in the observance of the 25th Infantry Division’s formation. Several of us in my section (in the division HQ) commented on how genuinely pleased he seemed to be to be there and how warm and approachable he was for a general officer. I got the distinct impression that he *enjoyed* being around the troops despite his rank.

So, Powell’s politics aside, I have felt for years that the Bush Administration threw him under the bus when they sent him to the UN to spout all that bulldada. I think they chewed him up and spit him out like used gum when they were done with him. IMO, Powell deserved better treatment than that.

Jay

October 25th, 2012
3:38 pm

Yes USMC. The facts remain.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:40 pm

TBS….. I would add that usmc in all his childishness also misses the point with his rant “Obama lied, people died”. People died first… then we address the question of the President. The President is not responsible for the deaths other than by the fact that “the buck stops here” which the President has clearly stated makes it his responsibility.

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
3:42 pm

Doggone

I haven’t found anything specific on that presentation yet, but here’s two letters that he’s listed as signing.

To Clinton in 1999:

“Dear Mr. President: … We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#oPi7NipoMS

To Bush in 2001:

“Dear Mr. President:

The events of September 11 have highlighted the vulnerability of the United States to determined terrorists. As we work to clean up Afghanistan and destroy al Qaeda, it is imperative that we plan to eliminate the threat from Iraq.

This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs.

The threat from Iraq is real, and it cannot be permanently contained. For as long as Saddam Hussein is in power in Baghdad, he will seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. We have no doubt that these deadly weapons are intended for use against the United States and its allies. Consequently, we believe we must directly confront Saddam, sooner rather than later.

Mr. President, all indications are that in the interest of our own national security, Saddam Hussein must be removed from power.”

Sincerely,

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#buC9BrswAg

josef

October 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

IMAM

Like I keep saying, it looks like the right wing is in bed with al Qaaida in the Maghreb…they both desperately want Libya to fail and will stop at nothing to see that it happens…

And Condi Rice is no dummy and, while conservative, is a rationalist…

BROSEPHUS

I agree on the people surrounding Bush (advisors) and that’s one of the reasons I am at best a tepid “supporter” of Obama. Romeny? Who knows what his cabinet would be composed of.

And I agree, Bush was not stupid. He wasn’t hit with the bright stick either. He was what one pundit summed up best, “he gives C students a bad name.”

GETALIFE

Panetta is laying out policy for Mali…more sophisticated technology (and drones) being earmarked for the French in Burkina Fasso…

Dixie Chicks

October 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Where is George W. Bush? We did not see him at the 2012 Republican National Convention.

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Keep

I think USMC post a lot to get a rise out of folks. That is his fun and of course his choice.

I do find it ironic that he will call out others for reciting DNC talking or “left wing media” talking points while he is posting links from blaze, breitbart and the WND (birther central.com)

Butch Cassidy (I)

October 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Wow, Condi Rice comes on and explains that it takes time to get to the truth, and USMC still blurts out. I’ll let you in on a little secret, Condi isn’t a “Left Wing Lib” or a paid “Media Matters Hack”.

USMC

October 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

“Yes USMC. The facts remain.”–JAY

SEE Jay, full agreement! That wasn’t so hard now, was it! :-)

Real Scootter

October 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

Hey Keep,

May be this will make you feel better!

People died,Obama lied :lol:

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
3:48 pm

josef

We’ve discussed the advisor angle before. I don’t care for Obama’s or Romney’s team.

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They BOTH

You could have simplified it by saying he’s an attention whore. There are quite a few of them here, and one even got upset that I called him out for it by crying to Jay that I called him a name.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:49 pm

Scooter, it is more accurate as to the order of events… as to your conclusion about Obama’s words, so far you don’t have evidence to support an actual lie.

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
3:50 pm

Bro

I try to be nice once or twice a week………

josef

October 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

SCOOTTER

That attack on Bush chaps my ass big time…the most petulant silliness of all. What was he supposed to do, jump up in front of the kiddies and go running out of the room screeching “L-awdy, Miz Scah-lett, Terrorists in New York…how-evuh did they get in?”

I’m about as far from a Bushie as you can get and still have feet on planet earth, but his control at that moment, I found admirable and reassuring. Likewise his rising to the occasion in those first few days. His warning to Americans not to fall prey to an anti-Islamic, anti-Middle Eastern vigilantism was what we needed to hear.
It’s too bad he could not continue to provide that leadership…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:52 pm

Well in all fairness, when I see a usmc post…. this is basically what I envision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VN2KRxTdjE

Ummm Brosephus, put down your food and drink first before clicking as a precaution.

willie lynch

October 25th, 2012
3:52 pm

Once again we have a credibility gap on display. Let’s talk about sad and career defining moves. How about selecting Sarah Palin?

McCain can put on his clown nose and over sized shoes and drive the car with the rest of the GOP over the cliff.

Jm

October 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

If there was a lot of ambiguity, why was Susan rice out there unequivocally stating it was simply a protest caused by the video?

Hmmmmm

USMC

October 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

You just have to LOVE Texas! :-)

Texas sparks international row with United Nations election observers…
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers

Jm

October 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

Obama administration

Not evil

Just incompetent

Jay

October 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

John McCain, 2003:

“After 12 years of economic sanctions, two different arms-inspection forces, several Security Council resolutions and, now, with more than 200,000 American and British troops at his doorstep, Saddam Hussein still refuses to give up his weapons of mass destruction.”

“The force our military uses will be less than proportional to the threat of injury we can expect to face should Saddam Hussein continue to build an arsenal of the world’s most destructive weapons.”

McCain, 2008:

“I know why I supported (the invasion of Iraq.) I believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction as did every intelligence agency in the world.

John McCain, also in 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXCX5jH_RMQ

Real Scootter

October 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Hey Keep,That was not my conclusion of Obama’s words.I was trying to be snarky,hence the lol smiley face.
I think the whole affair has been blown out of proportion.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Keep,

That is hilarious :)

josef,

Did Israel bomb Sudan?

Jm

October 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

“the facts remain”

??????

I thought it was determined the facts were still being determined! (see top)

;)

Georgia

October 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Cheney was the commander in chief when Colin Powell addressed the UN while Osama Bin Laden slipped away, (virtually as he spoke). Now that’s some real brassy cover fire. You can’t blame a soldier for obeying orders from his commander in chief. This was the last obstacle to setting in motion all the different Islamic drumbeats that we keep hearing today. Talk about a ripple effect frog in the pond story. Our foreign policy marches to the echoes of our own shock and awe. I was embarrassed to hear Romney go full palin on foreign policy in debate 3. He kept reciting a litany of the different arab hot spots. Like being able to recite them was all you had to do to be president. Please tell me Katie Couric didn’t switch parties.

RB from Gwinnett

October 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Jay, the key fact that remains is they made up some BS excuse about some video and fed it to us for 2 weeks. Why do you think they did that?

Doggone/GA

October 25th, 2012
3:57 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 25th, 2012
3:57 pm

Okay Scooter, I misinterpreted your position. :D

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

They BOTH

There are times to be nice, and there are times to be honest. The key is to always wear a watch to know the difference between the two. ;)

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Keep

Thanks for the heads up. That one got me lightheaded from laughing too hard….

Erwin's cat

October 25th, 2012
4:00 pm

Dixie ChicksWhere is George W. Bush? We did not see him at the 2012 Republican National Convention.

And this is relevant how?…He and Dad were there in a video….so what?

They BOTH suck

October 25th, 2012
4:01 pm

Bro

I prefer to keep it random………… element of surprise

Brosephus™

October 25th, 2012
4:01 pm

Jay

Thanks for that info.

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Doggone

I supported McCain in 2000, and was in his corner until he selected Palin in 2008. After hearing those comments, I see he’s become nothing but the typical politician.

Real Scootter

October 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

josef

October 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

I agree josef,both affairs have been over blown.It kinda surprized me that JHM even mentoined it.

josef

October 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

getalife

“Israel neither denied nor confirmed the attack…”

Generally translates, yep.

GT

October 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

McCain’s got a conflict of interest, he has probably been promised the Secretary of Defense or some incentive.

I think ego rots the brain. It is absolute amazing to me the margin this country gives its leaders and reporters on false statements. You cannot make decisions operating on such thin reality. The mess we are in today is directly sponsored by this careless activity. We fight wars, invest money, execute criminals, marry, and report news, as seen in the CNN wrong reporting of the Supreme Court hearing, I figured FOX would get it wrong on purpose, all in a huge hurry facts be damn. Even our debates are now judge on style more than substance yet real life is base on one ingredient how real is your information.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

Powell called mitt’s positions a “moving target” and can’t be trusted because you don’t know who will sit in the White House.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

josef,

Why did they hit that target?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 25th, 2012
4:06 pm

Scootter — “Dang Joe,I guess if Bush hadn’t sat there for that long he could have caught some of those folks that were jumping .Apples and oranges IMO.”

The apples and oranges comparison is what I said and how you characterized it. I said nothing at all about Bush personally intervening to save lives, nor did I think it. I simply think it’s ludicrous for conservatives to slag on Obama for not immediately ordering air assets into Libya to start firing on the consulate attackers — as we have seen several posters here do in recent days — yet simultaneously excuse President Bush for patiently waiting until the end of a children’s story to begin dealing with 9/11.

Was I attacking President Bush? Not at all. I’m merely pointing out that there’s an equivalence between the two situations, and IMO, treating them differently is simply partisan.

IMO, if someone thinks that *only one* of those situations (e.g. Bush and 9/11 or Obama and Benghazi) is objectionable, then I think that person’s criticism is firmly based in ideology, not reason. AFAICS, either *both* of those situations are emblematic of a detached and uninvolved Chief Executive or *neither one* is.

TaxPayer

October 25th, 2012
4:07 pm

Thanks to the Obama Administration, Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” sign is no longer money wasted. Bin Laden is dead.

indigo

October 25th, 2012
4:07 pm

It is indeed a “fake scandal”. Unfortunately, a large number of simple minded Republican voters think it’s actually a serious scandal, precisely because that’s what they have been told to think by their Republican politicians. These voters clearly can’t think for themselves and yet, they may elect our next president.

Sleep tight tonight and try not to have nightmares about the power of the mindless in our country.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 25th, 2012
4:08 pm

“Whatever shred of respect I once had for John McCain is gone, permanently.”

Whatever shred of respect I once had for General Powell is gone, permanently. Why? Because he is a counterfeit Republican voting for Obama.

NEXT !

Joe Hussein Mama

October 25th, 2012
4:09 pm

Real Scootter — “I agree josef,both affairs have been over blown.It kinda surprized me that JHM even mentoined it.”

As I said, I mentioned it because conservatives are, IMO, overplaying their hand with Benghazi just like liberals overplayed their hand with 9/11. Josef either missed that part of my post or chose not to see it.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

0311 — “Whatever shred of respect I once had for General Powell is gone, permanently. Why? Because he is a counterfeit Republican voting for Obama. NEXT !”

I’m sure Powell is absolutely *crushed* by your rejection. :D

josef

October 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

getalife

According to a statement released by Amos Gilad, “an informed source” in matters relative to the IDF”

“It is clear that it [Sudan] supports the smuggling of munitions, or it helps Gaza. In actuality, these munitions pass through Egypt, so it is endangering its major neighbour, Egypt. It harms national security because tomorrow these arms could also be used against the Egyptians,” Gilad told Army Radio.

Doggone/GA

October 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

“I supported McCain in 2000, and was in his corner until he selected Palin in 2008″

I lost interest in him in 2000 until he was unable to cope with the “push polling” about his adopted daughter. I felt that if he, and his team, couldn’t even figure out how to deal with that…he’d be lost in the rough and tumble of international politics…and maybe even national politics.

getalife

October 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

scout lost his last marble.

General Powell’s argument this morning supporting our President and attacking mitt was very powerful.

mitt is a moving target and you don’t know which mitt would govern.

Roll that dice scout and hope he does not crap out.