Those who push “apology tour” owe us an apology

When you have to LIE in your campaign for President, after being told that your claim is a wingnut lie, you are not presidential and do not deserve the job. America deserves better than the GOP.

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Apology tour, huh? Perhaps Romney should began on. First he should apologize to all the people’s jobs he “outsourced” to China and India so that he could wear $5K shoes.

Then he needs to apologize to those same people for the way he made THEM the enemy — by calling them the 47%ers and questioning their worth.

Lastly he should apologize for selling his soul for those magic beans — he was too lazy to climb the beanstalk for himself, but he sent his gardener, Jose, to do it for him.

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Based on the stuff presented by some self-labeled conservatives here, do you expect anything different? Some of them continue to push that lie to protect their choice to become liar in chief.

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Cons have an ego problem. Projecting anything but 100% certainty and flawlessness regardless of reality makes their [REDACTED] feel even more teeny-weeny.

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In other whacked out news today:

Donald Trump’s MAJOR Annoucement!!!:

UPDATE: Here is the press release: http://goo.gl/moYqh

“If President Obama opens up and gives his college records and applications and if he gives his passport applications and records, I will give to a charity of his choice, inner city children of Chicago, American Cancer Society, Aids research, anything he wants, a check immediately for $5 million. The check will be given within one hour of his releasing the records so stated.”

Poor Donald — if he only had a brain………..

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I’m sorry

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Jay, your continuing defense of Obama is reaching ridiculous stages. I suggest you consider your own credibility, re, Libya.

FOX ran a video series this morning of Obama speeches back when he first took office that can be called nothing less than apologies.

The man clearly does not understand dirty laundry. He’s an embarrassment and we can’t get rid of him soon enough.

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Its only a lie if you get caught. If you don’t get caught it’s the truth. If you’re caught while saying it, it’s a misunderstanding. If you don’t get caught while saying it you’ve always told the truth and how dare anyone say you’re lieing.

If you’re saying while wearing magic underwear and have a really spooky, crazed, serial molester look on your face; then I agree. you’re telling the truth — just keep your hands where i can see them.

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so much fail in these posts.

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I apologize for being such an idiot in paris and Clemenceau apologizes for demanding imposssible war reparations, Woodrow tells me he apologises for being president in the first place ( although we know his lovely mate made most of the decisions)…and well Neville apoligizes for “peace in our time”… and Harry apologizes for hiroshima and Nagasaki( not really). Bismarck does NOT apologize for realpolitik…..

Time for a large bourbon,neat……. can’t wait to read that Bropheus fellow and taxpayer, GETALIFE (i’m dead) and the rest of the gang

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Those who accuse Democrats of “throwing Israel under the bus” owe Democrats an apology, as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/opinion/who-threw-israel-under-the-bus.html?_r=0

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I apologize for the term “Apology Term.” More accurately it could be called the “Tear America Down” tour.

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JAY,

Agreed that the allegations of apologies is BS…however, you may accomplish more by not addressing it….the more attention it gets, the more significant it becomes…

I liked the fact that he admitted that we’ve got issues and have made mistakes which is certainly unusual for any DC politician….I just don’t like the way he has attempted to change any of the errors mentioned above..the ideaologies of which he speaks remain stronger than ever..

KEEP,

They all lie and overpromise to get elected…your guy (I presume you are BO supporter) made no small share of promises that he didn’t even attempt to table..these are above many promises he flat out broke….

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sam

What we really need is a movie to understand romney/ryan, both lie with the straightest faces I’ve ever seen…

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Romney will say anything in hopes of winning the election, including repeating known lies that demean the office of the President.
The right wingers push this “apology tour” meme because deep down they know that they owe America an apology for what Bush and the Republican Congress did in their names.

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Uncle Samantha – “watch this movie to understand barrack hussein obama

http://2016themovie.com/”

Yes Jay, and then read Dreams of my Real Father just in case you didn’t absorb enough BS from the film.

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At this point it’s just too easy to pick apart Rubin’s articles. She is as shameless as Hannity or Limbaugh on their worst days, and I can’t understand why the Post continues to publish her. My guess is because she only morphed into a Romney-bot fairly recently, and to let her go at this point without question would be sensationalized in the echo chamber as yet another example of media bias.

Speaking of that, have you all noticed that Fox now has a permanent feature on its homepage called the “Bias Alert?” I don’t watch Fox News Channel too much, but I do go to the website pretty often. Of course it was always Fox, but in the last month or two it’s turned into a such a drunken orgy of self-victimization and paranoia, it would make Nero proud. If Obama wins, I seriously think a few folks’ heads will explode.

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@I’m just saying…….Why would we (the U.S.) have to apologize for anything. We world depends on our economy to be strong so they can prosper. And when did having an opinion defferent than yours make it hate speech.

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Mitt and Rubin are correct

The undertone is exactly that: an “apology tour”

Everyone knows America isn’t perfect, no country is, thank you Mr Captain Obvious Obama

What is missing from Obama is the real, deep sense of pride, that while we are not perfect, we are (or were) the best nation on the planet

We were tough freedom loving people, chiseled from a tough continent

Now we are fat, lazy, and love our welfare / unemployment / disability / social security checks

It may be dusk in America, but not yet if Romney wins

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Watch Obama speak the words then make up your mind. I don’t care what you prefer to call his comments, but I think the characterization as apologies is as fair as anything else. It sure was much different than what most predecessors said when abroad.

Obama: Team player or grandstander?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/23/it_wasn_t_just_an_apology_tour_it_was_a_condemnation_tour_and_we_have_all_the_evidence_to_prove_it_right_here

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Cosby – “how stupid can one be…

Talk to Uncle Samantha and you may have your answer.

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UNCLE SAMANTHA

October 24th, 2012
12:57 pm

JAY
watch this movie to understand barrack hussein obama

http://2016themovie.com/
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By all means Jay, watch the movie by the self righteous “pious” foreigner who says Obama isn’t American ,the same self righteous pious foreigner who just lost his job because he is a cheating scumbag.

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“It may be dusk in America, but not yet if Romney wins”

There is always Singapore

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I heard that just before they killed Bin Laden, Obama made the Seals apologize first.

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KEEP,

Of course Romney lies and flops…what’s new…a politician lies, fabricates and overcommits…heck most buy the idea that the president has control over all of what he speaketh…

No shortage of promises or BS in 2008 by BO..Romney certainly has flipped many times and offered programs et al that he will never be able to incept…Romney wins the BS battle for sure.

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Ahem

That Trump bomshell fizzled like that Unvision bombshell…………

You sure know how to pick em

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i am appalled at all the liberal SICKO, SLACKER, STUPID WHITE MEN who hate CAPITALISM……………

ROGER AND ME will never post on here again

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So basically what I’m seeing is that the government should embody George W. Bush, who famously could not think of a single mistake he’d ever made as president.

Yep, that’s an example of moral leadership that the world is sure to follow.

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UNCLE SAMANTHA – “ROGER AND ME will never post on here again”

Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

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JOE,

I’ve seen some of this but witnessed more from FOX…I think O’Reilly does a good job calling out the GOP and DEMS alike…the rest of the pundit on that channel are horrid…I have found (although her snarkiness is annoying) Maddow does some of the same..like the other pundits at FOX, I find the balance of MSNBC and America Left silly..

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Obama should apologize for being president

That one is overdue

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Like I figure….no comment even on free-loading Al, who only seeks publicity but does not (Chicago) offer REAL solutions or work where the real trouble is………….
Reckon’ I’ll apologize twice for him………………….

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Sorry Jay…no debunking, Obama’s response was pitifully weak “if you check with the reporters they would not agree” right…..

All the reports that were and still are in the tank for Obama…everyone heard Jay, these were not speeches done behind closed doors….

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Jay, I can’t find the video clip on the Fox site, but this article goes over the same thing and gives Obama quotes.

http://townhall.com/columnists/marygrabar/2012/10/24/yes_it_was_an_apology_tour

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Jm

October 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Obama should apologize for being president

That one is overdue

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INCORRECT

it should be DEMOCRATS that apologize……………… even LIBERAL WOMEN will admit away from public that it should have been HILLARY that was nominated and even CONSERVATIVES will admit away from public that she would have been a better President

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“FOX ran a video series this morning ”

And the cons keep proving how wrong they are.

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JAY,

Agreed that the allegations of apologies is BS…however, you may accomplish more by not addressing it….the more attention it gets, the more significant it becomes…

You don’t seem to understand the way it works. Headquarters (Axlerod-Plouffe) determined that Benghazi was a firestorm and sent out the daily memo instructing bloggers to whip up anything that could draw attention off Benghazi. If the chosen topic could cast some attention on Romney, then all the better. You see, normally a presidential candidate wants attention, but in the case of Oblunda, just the opposite is true, at least until the Fires of Benghazi are tamed.

Look, we all know what Obama said overseas; and we all know they screwed up in Libya; and we all know that things are not well in the Obama/Biden 2012 effort. And in case you have forgotten the economy: it still stinks. Come November 6th, it will indeed be about the economy.

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I’m amazed no on in the media has taken issue with Romney’s remarks in his apology tour salvo at the debate:

“You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations.

Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators.”

Can anyone with any knowledge of history or that region say America has not dictated to other nations? We have a history in that region of doing so, and funny thing is, the people over there know it! I can only imagine the reaction if a President Romney had gone there and said “We face troubled times and I know we can work together and improve our relationship, keeping in mind we have never, ever dictated to you what you should do, who your leaders should be, what your culture or institutions should be. America just has never done that and you should be grateful to us.”

Of course, the most likely response from the Right would be ‘why do you hate America?”

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Ahem – responded to your question downstairs.

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Good grief Jay, grow a pair and quit whining. If there is an apology to be issued, it should come from you emotionally led liberals for putting this incompetent in office. Again, when there is an actual newsworthy story, you pivot to non news or just plain nonsense because the truth hightlights more incompetence from this administration. Let’s just say that I’m not at all surprised that you have avoided the biggest news story of the day. On a lighter note, yes, Trump is a self absorbed nutball but how about that offer to obama? Do you think your caring president will withhold 5 million from a worthy charity?

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So what some of you are saying is that we need Romney bumbling along on the world stage like he did last summer????

The vast majority of people from almost every single country in the world prefer Obama over Romney.

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cons behave like spoiled brats.

Leave the adults in charge.

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DannyX @ 1:20: “The vast majority of people from almost every single country in the world prefer Obama over Romney.”

Last time I checked, they have 0 electoral votes.

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DannyX,
Better check with the Israelis, Brits, Germans, etc. on that statement……

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It’s unbelievable that anyone watching Obama’s embarrassing as well as outrageous behavior during his apology tour in 09 could excuse it as being acceptable.

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Jay,
The West Africans should have had a little something to say….they rounded up their own people and sold them…………….

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This is a great post, Jay. I wish you’d also consider writing a similar post about the fake outrage having to do with Benghazi. More tripe that deserves to be highlighted and discarded.

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cons would need a gene for shame & remorse to apologize.

I apologize for voting for Ronald Reagan in 1980. Although I quickly
regretted it, I still think it the worst mistake of my life.

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I suppose the idea of apologizing for anything this country has done is cause for revulsion to modern American conservatives. Remember how conservatives recoiled, then attacked liberals, when it was suggested that just maybe Pres Bush should apologize for the miscalculations that led to Iraq? So it would seem the vitriol is not just directed at Pres Obama, it’s against anybody who would dare suggest a public acknowledgement by an elected official that our country had, at any time, done something less than honorable towards another country.

That strikes me as a pretty insecure way to think.

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Jay, the senior Bush was fished out of the water when his bomber crashed off Chichi Jima. That may have framed his viewpoint.

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It’s amazing how some people view things from context instead of truth. There was not a shred of evidence that the President actually “debunked” the “Apology Tour.” He just came out with more double talk. It was an apology tour, which totally weakened the opinions of the USA worldwide, and made us more vulnerable to the evils that would love to destroy it in the name of Allah. What happened to the days when journalists actually put both sides of the issue on the table and allowed people to think for themselves. That is one reason I got out of journalism. I remember a day when Journalism had a degree of integrity. Why, where and who sent journalistic integrity south?
I don’t support either candidate, and am surprised how blind all these Die Hard Supporters can be. If they read the Constitution, and listened to the words of Thomas Jefferson, and how correct he was in the dangers of how the feds have turned out, they would want to flush this election down the toilet and start from scratch. Over the past 4 years, the results I have seen have not been satisfactory. I’m not sure the alternative will be either.
All I hope for is change that takes us back to a simpler day, when the government didn’t have a hand in almost all things personal. No where is that the definition of Liberty. Also get Uncle Sam’s hands out of my wallet. That was originally un-constitutional prior to Abe Lincoln.

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AHMEN

I don’t agree about the apologies…out of context characterizations are the rule not exception.

The election is about turnout..Obama either enjoys turnout at 2008 levels or he doesn’t…its that simple…no body can project with accuracy what turnout will be despite the fact that students polled are no where near a energetic…despite claims that the NATION is better off, a significant majority of folks who believed in BO in 2008 are not remotely better off..

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Pete — “I said it several days ago, and I will mention it again. The attack in Benghazi will be the down fall of this administration, and it is not right wing propaganda. It is over, Obama is toast, and as more of this story comes out, heads are going to roll. I just hope President Romney continues the investigation. 4 Americans were killed because of the incompetence of this administration.”

And 9/11 says what am I, chopped liver?

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Do you know how to tell when a child is beginning to mature into an adult? When they can say “I did that. It was a mistake and I’m sorry for doing it”

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BENGHAZIGATE

THE ECONOMY

BENGHAZIGATE

THE ECONOMY

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“If you Moonbats would watch something other than legacy media, you would realize that Obama now faces his biggest challenge.”

Then why is Obama starting to rise in the polls again? Gallup showed a good bump for Obama and a 53% approval rating today.

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O.K. Jay ………. apologize for this !

And start with the families of those murdered by “non-terrorists” !

1) SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) — “The head (Senator Feinstein) of the U.S. Senate’s Intelligence Committee said Wednesday that it appeared an intelligence mistake along with inadequate security were to blame for the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the American Embassy in Benghazi, Libya that claimed the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens, a Bay Area native, and three others.

“I can tell you this, I think we do know what happened now. There’s no question but THAT IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK (emphasis added), there is no question but that the security was inadequate and I think that there is no question that we need to work on our intelligence,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) during an exclusive interview with CBS 5.”

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/10/17/feinstein-intelligence-flaw-lax-security-to-blame-for-libyan-terror-attack/

2) JAY BOOKMAN: “The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/17/on-benghazi-the-debate-and-acts-of-terror/

3) WE REPORT ………… YOU DECIDE.

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S o S — “There was not a shred of evidence that the President actually “debunked” the “Apology Tour.”

Nor is there any shred of evidence that he *engaged* in such a tour, either.

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The libya coverup? So, now the president is required to explain immediately any situation that might blow up because the cons demand it? Absolute b.s.

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BENGHAZIGATE !

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DANNYX

But for what reasons do these folks prefer Obama? We know that all in the Muslim world have worse opinion of US now than under Bush.. as well as many others..

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/global-opinion-of-obama-slips-international-policies-faulted/

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If foreigners could vote, Obama would win in an over whelming landslide. With the noteworthy exception of Pakistan, most foreigners favor Obama over Romney.. The Pakistani people seem to be mad at him for killing Osama Bin Laden. The right seems happier with presidents that act like a-holes and don’t bother to see to it that our enemies are busy feeding the fishes. You can be a complete idiot with that crowd just as long as you look good in a flight suit and strut around like a badass.

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They BOTH suck

October 24th, 2012
1:36 pm

Apology accepted.

I stipulate that the Univision thing wasn’t what I thought it would be and that Oblunda will again garner the vast majority of latino votes. I think an anaysis after the election will likely show that he got a smaller percent of the latino vote and it may well be attributed to the Univision broadcast. Notwithstanding, it will have little to no impact on the outcome. Romney will beat Obama.

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Trump will give $5mm to charity

Obama picks

I wonder what Trumpdump would do if he picked Acorn

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” suppose the idea of apologizing for anything this country has done is cause for revulsion to modern American conservatives.”

Cons apologize? In their eyes, they never ever do anything wrong to begin with.

They destroyed our economy under Bush, now they want to double down on the Bush policies. And they promise, it will work this time because the deficits will be higher. Uhh, I mean the tax cuts will be bigger.

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0311

First you post ““The head (Senator Feinstein) of the U.S. Senate’s Intelligence Committee said Wednesday that it appeared an intelligence mistake”

Then you post ” OBAMA LIED !”

So… how many Secret Service agents or Marines in their foxholes who made mistakes were charged with making false official statements?

simply amazing…..

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“BENGHAZIGATE” – What is that? Sounds like a toxic chemical used in making computer chips.

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And even as we type into this blog Obama is losing votes on BENGHAZIGATE !

Tick, tick, tick …………………..

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skipper — “For all my short-comings, I am, in fact, a history major! (okay folks-I know I opened up the butt-kickin’ opportunity door!)”

Fill’er up with hi-test and check the oil, willya? I gotta go inside and get me an RC and a Moon Pie.

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Staplesgate!

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Perjury!

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“And even as we type into this blog Obama is losing votes on BENGHAZIGATE !”

Only in the fevered swamps of the righties minds.

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Ya gotta love that Trump. He came out today about transparency. The dems will have a field day with this way. Where are your tax returns Mitt?

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DANNYX

Funny thing about polls…Rasmussen reports that only 29% strongly approve of Obama’s job performance while 41% strongly disapprove…who really knows?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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October 24, 2012

“Where Was Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. on the Eve of Benghazi?’
By Moshe Phillips

“The question of what Hillary Clinton’s State Department was busy with during the days and weeks before the September 11, 2012 terrorist strike in Benghazi, Libya needs to be asked insistently and often. What was happening at Foggy Bottom as Islamic terrorists planned the murder of United States Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens and other Americans?
We now have part of the answer.
At least some of the State Department’s attention (and funds) were being spent on organizing international music tours. Clinton’s staff was literally involved with fiddles (and guitars and drums) while Islamic terrorists where plotting to attack and burn the American consulate in Benghazi.
Two separate musical concert series were being planned by State at the exact same time when American diplomatic personnel in the Middle East were issuing requests for security to be upgraded at consulates and embassies in Islamic countries. There is now no doubt that their demands were dismissed far too quickly.
The State Department’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs has a program, called American Music Abroad, that is tasked with sending American musicians to perform overseas. This year’s tour began its concerts in the Philippines on September 11, 2012. For weeks before the attacks, some at State were working on this program.
How much time was spent on security analysis for the Philippines tour is unknown. Parts of the Philippines continue to be unsafe for Americans due to the stubborn insurgency there of al-Qaeda linked group Abu Sayyaf.
The other program the State Department was busy with before the 9/11/2012 Benghazi attack is called OneBeat (SM), started on September 10 in New York. It brings foreign music acts to the United States to tour.
OneBeat (SM) is also a project of the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. In 2012, State was scheduled to bring 32 rock musicians from 21 foreign nations to our shores.
One participant in this year’s program is from Egypt. How much time is spent screening these foreigners for any ties to terrorist groups is also not known.
In an era of high unemployment and record-setting debt, how much money did Mrs. Clinton’s team spend on these music tours?
More importantly, why is State involved in such programs to begin with? What cost/benefit analysis was conducted on these concerts and by whom?
The first mission of the State Department must be to provide protection for Americans abroad. In that Foggy Bottom failed. How many other silly and unproductive efforts was State involved with when the murderers of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens were preparing their attack?”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/where_was_hillary_clintons_state_dept_on_the_eve_of_benghazi.html#ixzz2AEWAOaNn

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I saw where USMC (bless his heart) posted something akin to:

Obama lied and people died!! I guess that’s supposed to be a play on Bush Lied (Iraq) People died!

However, while parroting Breibart and others, he forgot one simple fact:

The people died BEFORE Obama stood in the Rose Garden and told their story. Not afterwards.

Whereas in Bush’s case…………..

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Next, Obama will apologize for Stevens being in the wrong place at the wrong time and causing all this trouble.

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Carry the water, jay…..

I see Obama is still running around lying about Romney wanting to let the auto industry go out of business. Any chance you’ll take up correcting him on that lie? He’s actually telling audiences if Romney had his way the US auto industry would be no more and we would be getting our cars from China. Who’s dumb enough to believe that BS lie?………..

Given that the financial markets were so frozen at the time that banks were unable to fund fully guaranteed commercial paper lines of credit and the U.S. Government had to infuse half of trillion into the markets to prevent their meltdown, who in the private sector would have funded the auto companies as Romney suggested? Good to see you believe Romney’s revisionist history.

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MICK,

I think the GOP has a point in the Benghazi requests….5-6 weeks after, why no press conference by BO? All we get is defensive responses to anything negative that (continue) to come out….one with a spine (as opposed to self serving) would simply have diffused this 3 weeks ago…for what reason can’t they?

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Hey libs, just a thought here- If the electoral vote ended in a tie with each getting 269, the House would select the President and the Senate the VP. A Romney/Biden team would be interesting for the next 4 years! Jay, are on on board with this? Probably like Jay/Kyle on same team?

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“Those who push “apology tour” owe us an apology”

Really? Not so much…

Sorry, fact checkers at Associated Press: you are wrong about Barack Obama’s claim that Mitt Romney’s accusation that Obama went on an “apology tour” was a “whopper” (of a lie).

You sniffed, “Romney has repeatedly and wrongly accused the president of traveling the world early in his presidency and apologizing for U.S. behavior. Obama didn’t say ‘sorry’ in those travels.”

An “Apology Tour” does not mean Obama had to literally say the word “sorry” during those visits. But as my Guide Book on Obama’s 2009 Cairo speech details, on numerous stops Obama said things like America “has shown arrogance” (Strasbourg, France), “we have not been perfect” (interview with Al Arabiya), “we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms” (Port of Spain), we have been “dictating solutions” (London), “went off course” (National Archives), “made some mistakes,” (Langley, Virginia) and, finally, “the United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history” (Ankara, Turkey).

The historical errors in favor of Islam in the Cairo Speech are legion, as are the not-so-veiled digs at his predecessor, for the “war of choice” in Iraq. As historian Brian Birdnow and I noted in our book (as did many historians and columnists immediately after the speech), Obama pandered to the Muslim world by falsely giving them credit for everything from the printing press to religious tolerance.

On Monday night, President Obama even claimed that the Muslim world has a positive view of the U.S. as a result of his leadership.

Not true, according to a Pew poll, noted the Daily Caller. We had noted that as well in the Dissident Prof Guide Book on the Cairo Speech, “A New Beginning, Or a Revised Past? Positive views among the Muslim world slipped from 22 percent in 2008 to 19 percent last June, according to the (liberal) Pew poll. We thought students, who are taught this speech in college English classes as an example of rhetorical brilliance and unalloyed diplomatic victory, should know such facts and the context of other presidential speeches.

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“First he should apologize to all the people’s jobs he “outsourced” to China and India so that he could wear $5K shoes.”

Please identify the specific people and the specific jobs who Mitt specifically “outsourced” and then we will go from there. Otherwise all ya got is empty rhetoric. Then again what else is new?

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“If an Islamic terrorist group //claims// something happened, then by golly, that’s the honest truth!!!”

Nope ……… but the American public deserves to know they are “claiming” it as opposed to some lie about a movie.

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Joe, are you saying you think managed bankruptcy means GM, Chrysler, and Ford all stop making cars? Even you aren’t that stupid. I think….

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Paul, et al:

It would be nice (but not required) that you stick to debating or posting counter news articles or your private opinion or whatever instead of making personal attacks on other posters.

But …………… as always your choice.

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Obama is over:

Thank you.

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I see President Carter in Syria negotiating for peace so where is w?

I think Friedman’s article today is intellectually honest and we have not seen any from the right.

The right owes our country an apology for behaving like spoiled rotten brats and unpatriotic unAmerican sore losers.

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Alert!!!

Islamic terrorists groups have tweeted and made youtube videos and established websites saying Jews are the spawn of Satan, that America’s full of infidels and that we blaspheme the One True God!!! They not only claim it, they state it as fact!!!

Let us know when you’re going to respond to this claim, I mean, incredible truth, and convert to Islam, of the Middle Eastern fanatic jihadist variety. We’ll all bring milk and cookies to your conversion ceremony.

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“In the debate Monday night, Mitt Romney once again resorted to his claim that President Obama had conducted an overseas “apology tour,” in which he allegedly traveled “to various nations in the Middle East and criticizing America.” As Obama quickly noted, that claim has been debunked as a fabrication by every fact-check organization that has looked at it.”

With mounting evidence (such as that linked to below) that the Obama administration apparently had early on intelligence that the attack on the consulate in Benghazi was by Islamic militants, what “rational” would you “tender” for its persistent attempts to attribute the attack to a “spontaneous” reaction against an anti-Islamic film, Jay? Just curious…

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024

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I sure hope Romney comes to FL for an apology tour after he loses the election for all of the despicable false ads he’s run down here for the last year.

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A more balance looked
3rd Debate
Says Romney said “we should ask Pakistan for permission” to take a shot at Osama bin Laden.
Barack Obama, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Barack Obama was silent on Iran “when the students took to the streets in Tehran and the people there protested, (and) the Green Revolution occurred.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

“Pakistan has 100 nuclear warheads and they’re rushing to build a lot more. They’ll have more than Great Britain sometime in the relatively near future.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

Says Mitt Romney “just gave a speech a few weeks ago” and said “we should still have troops in Iraq.”
Barack Obama, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

“Latin America’s economy is almost as big as the economy of China.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Mitt Romney was clear that he “would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy.”
Barack Obama, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

“Veterans’ unemployment is actually now lower than (the) general population. It was higher when I came into office.”
Barack Obama, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

“I went to the Olympics that was out of balance, and we got it on balance.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

“The president said he was going to create daylight between ourselves and Israel.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

“A few months ago when you were asked what’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia.”
Barack Obama, Monday, October 22nd, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Barack Obama began his presidency “with an apology tour.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

The U.S. military is at risk of losing its “military superiority” because “our Navy is smaller than it’s been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, January 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/22/fact-checking-third-presidential-debate/

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ben-ghaz’-i-gate: noun; non-issue dreamed up by desperate GOP members in hopes that the unfortunate death of Americans can be turned in to political gain.

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B. Shockley (via unattributed author and copyvio) — “An “Apology Tour” does not mean Obama had to literally say the word “sorry” during those visits.”

Sure it does.

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I guess the cons are placing their final bets on the Benghazigate wheel.

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Denying the apology tour is reamarkably like denying sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky. guess it depends on what the meaning of is, is.

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Owe you an apology? When the President of the United States bows to a king, he is apologizing for something–land of the free maybe.

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Politifact 2nd Debate

Says Barack Obama has pension investments that include Chinese firms, and “investments through a Caymans trust.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

Says his administration put more border patrol agents on the U.S.-Mexico border than at “any time in history, and the flow of undocumented workers across the border is actually lower than it’s been in 40 years.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says his administration has created “5 million jobs … over the last 30 months in the private sector alone.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Mitt Romney suggested that “employers should be able to make the decision as to whether or not a woman gets contraception through her insurance coverage.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: True | Details

Says Mitt Romney “called the Arizona law a model for the nation.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: False | Details

Says Barack Obama began his presidency “with an apology tour.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

Says President Obama waited two weeks to call the attack in Libya “terror.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Mitt Romney refused to say whether he’d sign the Lilly Ledbetter bill.
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he “stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: True | Details

“Oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Obama broke his promise to offer a comprehensive immigration bill in his first year.
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: True | Details

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“As in, voters honestly aren’t buying that line of baloney?”

We’ll find out what hte voters are buying in about 14 days.

Lib heads are exploding already.

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Seriously, read up on it. There was apparently a LOT of bad blood between Presidents and VPs in those early days.

and there would be again if the EV were to end in a tie. But it wouldn’t be THAT big a deal, were it to happen; nothing that would shake our Republic to its foundation.

Basically, Biden would have a bully pulpit and a tiebreaking vote, but nothing more than that.

Romney would still be President and get to do all the usual Presidentin’.

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“ust about everytime there is a terrorist attack somewhere (except Benghazi because Jay said it wasn’t a terrorist attack) groups come forward to claim responsibility. You know that.”

Of course I do, as I already posted that earlier today.

“This should also have been released by the White House and reported in the news for the public to make their own determination as opposed to some lie from the Administration involving a movie.”

Now you’re stating that whenever a jihadist group makes a claim that says they were involved in anything unfortunate affecting Americans that we have a duty to give air time to all those claims? That we have to give recognition and publicity to everything? Is that how you did things in the Secret Service? There was a crime, you guys conducted a daily press brief and went over every single tip that came in?

Puh-leeze

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He did blame America in every speech. Its absurb to think its ok because in a later statement the president pointed a finger at them.

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Paul:

A “non-serious” response (according to your opinion vs. someone else’s) versus a “personal attack” are two different things.

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DANNY,

I’m familiar with the chart i sent you…take another look (top chart)..the confidence, favorability and approval of foreign policy with the countries we are in conflict with are trending deplorably…simply by Bush leaving office the trend was up as you suggests (not big accomplishment…more just happy to be rid of Bush) however, compared to where BO first was polled versus where he is now..not good…the drone stikes aren’t exacly popular either…what an about face BO did on this item and the message he is sending by assasination and innocents killed….

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Fact check — DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman where are the jobs? How much tax do you pay?

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RB — “Joe, are you saying you think managed bankruptcy means GM, Chrysler, and Ford all stop making cars?”

I’m saying that a managed bankruptcy of a large employer without SOME sort of financing of the ongoing business concern is an oxymoron. You can’t HAVE a managed bankruptcy without some sort of secured credit line or even Debtor-In-Possession financing, and banks were having none of it at that time. Romney’s piece appeared in the NYT in November, 2008. Did you happen to try to get a loan then for anything? If so, what kind of luck did you have?

“Even you aren’t that stupid. I think….”

I’m pretty sure you’re clueless enough to think that the magic words MANAGED BANKRUPTCY coming from Romney’s pen would have automatically loosened up the loan officers at all the major US lending and investment banks what, two MONTHS after the market crash of 2008?

I think there’s someone stupid in this discussion, but it’s not me and it’s not Obama.

I also think there’s someone dishonest in all this, and his name’s Romney.

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“If an Islamic terrorist group //claims// something happened, then by golly, that’s the honest truth!!!”

I would contend such claims are statistically true enough to 1) not dismiss them out of hand and 2) as a result, NOT strive to attribute the attack on the consulate to something else (instead of saying something like “it may have been a terrorist attack or something else – like an angry response to the film – but we are still investigating”).

Just look at a sampling of the claims advanced by the Obama administration in the days and weeks following the attack:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/10/world/libya-attack-statements/index.html

Then, on the 20th, we have Carney saying it is “…self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.” Recommendation to Carney: look up the meaning of “self-evident”, please.

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“We sure as heck ain’t gonna saddle up Rachel Maddow”

The corollary to that?

Con women = hot
Lib women + not so hot

Libs having meltdowns over fact checkers? Drink…

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Where the conned wingers see an apology, I see reality; as in in we are all human but they have this crazy notion of exceptionalism where the USA is nothing short of super human. Don’t think so…

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B. Shockley — “Denying the apology tour is reamarkably like denying sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.”

Lies make baby jesus cry, Benny. No cookie in heaven for you.

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If GM and Chrysler were liquidated, the other automakers would have picked up the slack, selling more cars, manufacturing more cars, hiring more cars, etc.

And most “foreign” cars are manufactured right here in the USA, albeit by non-union labor which the current regime despises.

Economics is for Chess players, and liberals are more like checkers people. Or, stated another way, economics is for Jeopardy people, and libs are more like Wheel of Fortune people.

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The fraud they call mitt will gone soon and Americans will marginalize the kooks they call themselves conservatives.

We will move forward into the 21st century dragging along these cons like dead weight.

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Towncrier @ 2:15

Thank you for that reasoned response.

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“People, REAL PEOPLE, who’ve been in any type of intelligence, (whether as analysts at the Crystal Palace, worked as a Pentagon Aide to the Chief Of Staff, etc.), NEVER talk about it. ”

Well, except for Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, who bragged about it and then tried to say they were outed.

Debbi having a really bad day……

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3) “WAITING until you can get the intelligence report from people on the ground before saying/admitting/affirming anything!!”

So according to your above post how about not making up a lie about a movie in the meantime ?

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If GM and Chrysler were liquidated, the other automakers would have picked up the slack, selling more cars, manufacturing more cars, hiring more cars, etc.

He knows this FOR A FACT because he sits on the boards of both GM and Chrysler…….

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“So it’s only in major cases that intelligence agencies should be required to reveal, thru the White House to the press, every single claim and tip that comes in so Americans can decide for themselves what to believe?”

It’s up to the White House to decide what to release and when …….. but in the meantime don’t release a lie for political expediency.

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“only babies, children, and puppies want instant gratification.”

well, and all the little libs who want their food stamps, welfare checks, and free cell phones, and threaten to riot if they don’t get them….

Debbi having a really, REALLY bad day……….

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“JohnnyReb, if Mitt didn’t think the Benghazi issue was worth a single mention — not one — in a 90-minute debate supposedly devoted exclusively to foreign policy, don’t you think there’s a reason for that? As in, voters honestly aren’t buying that line of baloney?”

I think your logic is strained, Jay. I saw Richard Engel on the Tonight Show last night and he expressed astonishment that neither candidate made little or no mention of the wars given their cost, loss of life, rapid decline in morale and the like. What is the reason for that – voters not “buying that line of baloney”? Or is there another plausible explanation? Might there also be one for Romney not mentioning Benghazi as well (or did you peer into your crystal ball to learn the “truth”)?

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“Jay, will you share your opinion of why they pushed the video BS on us for 2 weeks?”

Sorry RB but that wouldn’t fit the kook left narrative. No way of hiding behind the fact that the O administration was incompetent on Bengazhi gate and LIED to the American people. Obama lied. An Ambassador died.

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“He knows this FOR A FACT because he sits on the boards of both GM and Chrysler……. ”

No, I know this for a fact because in a free market, competitors would love to feed that unexpected demand.

Debbi having a really, really, REALLY bad day….

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JAY

Are you really suggesting that Romney’s lack of attacking BO in debate relative to Benghazi suggests this is no longer an issue will his campaign? I hope I’m mis reading your last post..

Shallow, ridiculous and desparate assumption…if I’m understanding you correctly…I think Romney’s objective was just not to make material gaffe..plus I’m sure his handlers were telling him that confrontation is not his friend…he was successful in rattling BO..

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Mick,

Obama claims to be a Christian and claims to have accepted Jesus Christ as his savior.

Your thoughts on that?

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Uh, Thulsa, do you have any actual evidence to put forth that might lend a shred of credance to your silly rant?

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Romney used the word peace or peaceful 10 times in the debate. Obama didn’t use it at all. Don’t say I didn’t warn you about the one who will talk of peace.

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B. Shockley — “If GM and Chrysler were liquidated, the other automakers would have picked up the slack, selling more cars, manufacturing more cars, hiring more cars, etc.”

Clearly not, since GM. Chrysler *and* Ford all cut the number of their dealerships dramatically in 2009 and 2010. In fact, Ford was still cutting dealerships in 2011. If, as you say, other manufacturers would have picked up the slack (and I don’t know how much buyer slack you think there actually was to pick up in 2008 – 2010), then Ford would likely have benefited from the cutbacks their domestic competitors were experiencing.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/02/ford-continues-to-terminate-lincoln-dealerships.html

“And most “foreign” cars are manufactured right here in the USA, albeit by non-union labor which the current regime despises.”

I haven’t heard the President express any negative feelings about non-union American workers. If you have, then please, share a link that details it.

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Thulsa @ 2:23

Careful ………. you’ll get them all worked up !

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ANSWERAN

Spot on about that dope and his God intentions crap..

You are shallow to paint all of the GOP as you do….in doing so, you are basically buying into the same lunatic fringe game as the lunatic fringe right..

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His religion, my religion, their religion, any religion…who gives a crap about any of that? I sure as hell don’t. I’d rather not even know. It’s none of my damn business. It’s not your business either.

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mitt’s rape problem with women voters will make him lose.

The numbers will correct towards our President right before the election.

I see Russia broaden their laws on treason and I think we need to do that too.

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Not all GOP, just the ones I know and see on TV.

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If Romney could not make the statements that Obama made about America’s imperfections, he’s not much of a man.

If you cannot admit your faults, I pity you.

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ben

Why should I doubt it? It matters none to me…

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PLEASEALLOWMETOINTRODUCE,

Have you read The Master and Margarita? It’s hilarious and quite controversial Russian novel that is the premises of that song…Mihkail Bulgocov…

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“Clearly not, since GM. Chrysler *and* Ford all cut the number of their dealerships dramatically in 2009 and 2010.”

None of their major competitors went backrupt and were liquidated in 2009 and 2010.

You’re dismissed for the day……………..

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“I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually some old stalker who hides out in the bushes watching little old men get undressed.”

Jay…I think this statement – judging from you past comments – is beyond the pale of acceptable posts here. Geez…DDR. Get a grip.

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“Perhaps Clinton should apologize for pushing to make China a “most favored trade nation” to begin with”

That declaration had no practical outcomes. It was simply formalization of what was already an ongoing relationship.

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“What was the demand trend for personal/family automobiles between say, July 2008 and July 2010? Up, down or sideways?”

Doesn’t matter…if GM and Chrysler were liquidated, demand would have went up for those remaining.

I already dismissed you for the day

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This is great news! If I need to know who’s a “real” jew, or a “real” christian, I can just come to Jay’s blog!

Hey, any of you cons do any other religions? Can you tell say, a “real” Baha’i, or a “real” Zoroastrian? Never know when that might come in handy…

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Speaking of lost American jobs, has Obama apologized for allowing illegals to continue flooding here, and instructing the justice department not to prosecute them?

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RB,

No one is talking about Ford, they had the cash to weather the storm. Chrysler was already owned by a private equity firm at that time Cerberus Equity who had Robert Nardelli running his second company into the ground. When the government put in the money to keep them afloat, Cerberus essentially walked away with nothing. GM was publicly traded, but could not meet its current obligations and its stock was trading in the drill bit range.

Last time, with no liquidity, there is nothing to manage other than liquidation.

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ben

I guess you’ll be first in line when china manufactures a $5000 auto built on a dollar a day labor cause that’s what you want right here – pottersville USA…

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LIB LOGIC 101

Allowing US jobs to go offshore (perfectly legal in a free society) = BAD

Allowig foreigners to come here (illegally) and take jobs here = GOOD

Libs are so funny……..

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“Doesn’t matter…if GM and Chrysler were liquidated, demand would have went up for those remaining”

It might have…but what makes you think Ford had the money around to take over the liquidated assets and even begin to fulfill that demand? If there was no private money to borrow to keep GM and Chevy afloat, it’s not likely there would be any for Ford to borrow either.

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Maybe “Blame American First” tour would be more descriptive, but “Apology Tour” works for me. For those who wish to stroll down memory lane, you can hear Chauncey reciting his litany of America’s shortcomings to foreign audiences at Rush Limbaugh’s webpage.

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Ben,

Why should Obama apologize for immigration when it has fallen to essentially nothing?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

You really are operating in a fact free zone aren’t you?

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B. Shockley — “Doesn’t matter…”

Rejected, along with your repeated income claims.

“If GM and Chrysler were liquidated, demand would have went up for those remaining.”

Not if overall demand wend down, it wouldn’t. Simple math. Accent on simple.

“I already dismissed you for the day”

No, I’m waiting on your parents to arrive so we can have a discussion about how you’ve been acting up in class.

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“That declaration had no practical outcomes. It was simply formalization of what was already an ongoing relationship.”

Soooooo. Most favored nation status has no real advantages and “no practical outcomes”? Only in liberal fantasyland. Try telling that to nations that don’t have it with us. Wiki

Trade experts consider MFN clauses to have the following benefits:[citation needed]
A country that grants MFN on imports will have its imports provided by the most efficient supplier. This may not be the case if tariffs differ by country.
MFN allows smaller countries, in particular, to participate in the advantages that larger countries often grant to each other, whereas on their own, smaller countries would often not be powerful enough to negotiate such advantages by themselves.
Granting MFN has domestic benefits: having one set of tariffs for all countries simplifies the rules and makes them more transparent. It also lessens the frustrating problem of having to establish rules of origin to determine which country a product (that may contain parts from all over the world) must be attributed to for customs purposes.
MFN restrains domestic special interests from obtaining protectionist measures. For example, butter producers in country A may not be able to lobby for high tariffs on butter to prevent cheap imports from developing country B, because, as the higher tariffs would apply to every country, the interests of A’s principal ally C might get impaired.

As MFN clauses promote non-discrimination among countries, they also tend to promote the objective of free trade in general.

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There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know……this last part of the famous Donald Rumsfeld quote reminds me of every Ben posting today.

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I am still waiting for an explanation from Jay (or anyone else) for the very puzzling statements made by the Obama administration in the wake of the Bengahzi consulate attack given the mounting evidence that it had intelligence that it was a terrorist attack. Does anyone want to claim that it has NOT become increasingly difficult to square these statements with the emerging reality?

To me, it is inexplicable. I am here, in a better frame of mind, attempting to give Obama and his administration the benefit of doubt. If they had said from the outset “we are not sure about who was behind the attack” (or some such thing), we would not now be having this conversation. There would be no problem.

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“YOU are dismissed for the day”

I wonder if he ever goes to visit friends at their homes and then tries to throw them out the front door?

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Romney knows many in his party are desperate for a whiter White House but cannot say so publicly. So, he throws them the “apology tour” story and they gladly believe it since no one will call them out for being the racists they are.

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with all the distractions.. and all of the diversions that the obama campaign has had to endure.. it really wouldnt be an issue if he was half a leader.. never seemed to faze bill clinton very much..

as for bush.. move on.. move forward.. or whatever we are supposed to do.. the man has been gone for 4 years now…. if obama gets reelected.. not sure what the dem party will say 7.5 years from now.. they still going to blame bush?

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“Back to the original discussion; we demand an apology for the false characterization of an “apology tour””

and I refer you, too, to my post about how to tell when a child is maturing into an adult!

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“Are you also able to tell if people are really Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, etc?”

Come on now. On Earth only Obama is omniscient and knows these things. Just like only he knows that Austrians secretly speak Austrian when no one else is around.

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“Lets ask Jimmy Hoffa’s family.”

Lets ask the 9 million that lost their jobs then suicide.

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getalife:

9 million suicides? Then the job figures should be much better than they are !

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Mick,

Koch card has already been pulled multiple times today. Haliburton??? What the hell? I’ll go ahead and say it so you don’t have to like I know you’re itching to. Its Bush’s fault.

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Speaking of apologies, how’s that Benghazi info coming along?

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desperate for a whiter White House but cannot say so publicly. So, he throws them the “apology tour” story

indigo, if you’re interested, Amanda Marcotte picked up that ball and ran with it yesterday…

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/23/foreign-policy-debate-devolves-into-conspiracy-theory-wanking/

“Apology tour” is basically Birtherism, dressed up in slightly nicer clothes. It’s part of a larger constellation of right wing myths and conspiracy theories that point to their belief that Obama is Not One of Us, and by One of Us, they don’t mean “Republicans”. There’s other notes on the Barack Obama Isn’t a “Real American” instrument: “Muslim”, “reparations”, “birth certificate”. All of these are elaborate ways to assert the idea that black Americans aren’t real Americans, but do so in a way that avoids coming right out and saying so. Obama has been seen as being a bit ornery (though less so than Romney) these past two debates, but considering the willingness of Romney to blow the dog whistle right in his face, I would say that Obama shows a remarkable amount of calm.

I remain cautiously optimistic that the strategy will fail. The problem with the strategy is that the public has had a chance to get to know Obama and his family in the past four years. It’s a lot harder to to stimulate subconscious prejudice if the person has a strong counter-narrative about the situation. To make the whole situation weirder, the dog whistles being blown here only make sense to people whose bigotries are far closer to the surface, who wouldn’t vote for Obama anyway. I don’t think the average white swing voter with subconscious prejudices but who tries to be fair really is tapped into the elaborate right wing fear that Obama is a secret radical subversive who gained power in service of toppling America as an act of revenge. Words like “reparations” and “apology tour” probably fall on deaf ears outside of those circles.

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Well, I don’t know about you but I’m sick of seeing this Kenyan President apologize.

We need a manly man as President, somebody that will stand up and say “I’m going to molest your women and girls and send you off to die in a war.” Somebody that will say “It ain’t my fault you got raped and pregnant and we’re going to see to it that you have that kid. But don’t count on the taxpayers to support it, you sl-tty sl-t.”

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.

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Those that deny attempts at voter fraud owe us an apology ! http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/jim-morans-son-brian-morans-nephew-caught-involved-in-voter-fraud/

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Ford was protecting their supplier base. Nothing more.

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By using the imperial *we* O implied quite cleverly that he regrets what those terrible republicans did and he is ever so much nicer than they and so will everyone please tell the world that they like him better than Bush because they know he and his Chicago gang are not really part of the *we.*

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Sorry about the “FAct checkers” confusion — I was responding to someone else — next time, I’ll just cut and paste their comments, makes life more simpler.

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Please identify the specific people and the specific jobs who Mitt specifically “outsourced” and then we will go from there. Otherwise all ya got is empty rhetoric. Then again what else is new?

Anyone hear the braying of a donkey?

NEW YORK — US and French workers blaming Bain Capital, the company founded by Mitt Romney, for stripping them of their jobs and outsourcing to China protested Monday outside Bain’s offices in New York.

About 60 people, led by a man in a monster suit depicting Bain Capital, accused the Republican presidential candidate’s former company of costing them their livelihoods.

And here’s another one:

After repeatedly touting his business experience as an asset towards reviving the U.S. economy, Mitt Romney has been put on the defensive by Bain Capital workers who are fighting back against the outsourcing of their jobs.

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Ben: Well, except for Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, who bragged about it and then tried to say they were outed.

Oh Ben — ye of little intelligence…………i will light a candle for you. Maybe the fumes can loosen that big old rock twist yon ears…….

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Scout: So according to your above post how about not making up a lie about a movie in the meantime ?

Asked what caused the confusion over the attack, the president responded: “Well, we weren’t confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed, I wasn’t confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened, I wasn’t confused about the fact that we had to investigate exactly what happened so it gets fixed and I wasn’t confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice.”

Scout – notice the words “ we had to investigate exactly what happened .

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RB — “Joe, you’re DENSE.”

No, RB, I’m not. I see things diffferently than you do, and I can be honest about them. Sorry if that upsets you.

“Obama said US auto production would have ceased. Obama said it Joe. OBAMA. Defend his if you can.”

I’m not *defending* any such thing, despite your desperate attempt to change the subject. We’re talking about that Romney wrote in 2008, how it was an absolutely stupid position to take and how he’s trying to run away from his own words and position now.

“And aquisition is always an option in bankruptcy, Joe.”

Not if you want to maintain the employment level, which is PRECISELY what the argument’s about between Obama and Romney. RB, you are utterly, utterly uninformed and unarmed in this discussion.

“It’s becoming pretty clear you’re just repeating stuff you heard somewhere and don’t really know how the process works.”

It’s becoming pretty clear to me that you don’t actually understand what the objective was in supporting those two car companies. Getting a heap of assets at fire-sale prices was NOT what bailing the automakers out was done for — supporting and sustaining a key American industry and its workers through a rough patch WAS.

The discussion between you and me mirrors the discussion between Romney and Obama. You can’t keep on topic, the workers’ fate doesn’t matter to you and you only see it as an opportunity to pick up some properties on the cheap — not as a chance to help support the national economy. It’s not an opportunity for the NATION as far as you’re concerned — it’s just an opportunity for PROFIT.

This is why the GOP must be defeated next month.

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An “Apology Tour” does not mean Obama had to literally say the word “sorry” during those visits. But as my Guide Book on Obama’s 2009 Cairo speech details, on numerous stops Obama said things like America “has shown arrogance” (Strasbourg, France), “we have not been perfect” (interview with Al Arabiya), “we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms” (Port of Spain), we have been “dictating solutions” (London), “went off course” (National Archives), “made some mistakes,” (Langley, Virginia) and, finally, “the United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history” (Ankara, Turkey).

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That race card is just about worn down to a few shreds by now, yeah?

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Tagg Romney apologized to Obama!!!!!!!

What kind of twisted morals did Mitt Romney teach his son????? Apologies are a sign of weakness!!!!

I voted early for Romney but would like to know how I can change my vote!!!! Who do I talk to about that??????

OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“Tagg Romney” – is a punk.

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Hilarious!!!! The claim is that Mitt laid off and outsourced U.S. jobs. So then we have 60 protesters on October 15, 2012 protesting Bain capital. So how long ago did Mitt leave Bain capital??? 1999? But now they are protesting him 13 years later. Oh my God!!!!! Fun- Knee!!! Gawd the kooks are dumb.

All the lib kooks with the pumped up kicks you better run better run faster than Mitt’s gun…

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“Scout – notice the words “ we had to investigate exactly what happened.”

No problem, there, DDR. The problem is with the assertions by Obama and people in his administration seemingly attributing or mainly attributing the attack to an angry response to a film. Here, in part, is what Susan Rice said 5 days after the tragedy:

“There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the Internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government, and it’s one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It’s been offensive to many, many people around the world. That sparked violence in various parts of the world, including violence directed against Western facilities including our embassies and consulates.”

On CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Rice also said that, “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

Her last statement is, we now know, patently false. And, as has been pointed out by very knowledgeable people, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations does NOT appear on 5 different Sunday news shows on her own accord. I just don’t know how you explain such behavior. What in the world would motivate such apparently misleading statements? If indeed the Obama administration was attempting to mislead us, I am afraid that “playing politics” would be the best case scenario. I truly hope it is nothing worse.

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11 more days ’til we vote the pathetic little whiner out of office & hopefully it’s not to late to reverse his experiment into government
take over of as much as the 99% butt lickers will engage.

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TBS- not my job and I never claimed it to be my job to identify who is what. Perhaps you can show where I specifically claimed I can automatically identify who is a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, and so on.

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Thulsa- But now they are protesting him 13 years later. Oh my God!!!!! Fun- Knee!!! Gawd the kooks are dumb.

Lance Armstrong says,”What?”

Just to be fair and secure the integrity of the sport, admitted doper Henri Pelissier needs to be stripped of his 1923 title. His cocktail of choice was nitroglycerin and horse tranquilizers.

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Just a wee question about that dictator vs freedom “debate.” Didn’t some Rumsfield, Bush type guy support some dictator in some far off, unimportant Iraq sort of place? And din’t some other Bush/Cheeney type guy liberate those happy Iraqis and by doing so bring freedom forever? I missed that apology from that Bush guy. We will be greeted as liberators. Hell yeah, and it was an accident that Stonewall’s own troops shot him. Yeehaw. Those were the days, just kitcher gun an shoot a confederate (them confederates was libruls, wasn’t they?) Youse was designed to be intelligent, youse just dropped the danged ball. If only our babies could pray at they charter school like they do at home, there wunt be no prollem.

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Joe, so the workers in Detroit matter but the ones at all the dealers they put out of business don’t?

I’m sure you don’t reall give a crap about any of those dealers since they were all those small business owners you hate so much, but what do you suppose happene to all the mechanics who worked for them. Do they not matter to you?

By the way, in my opinion, GM and C are still going out of business unless they fix their core problems. All the government cash did is delay it for a while.

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? for all, if one agrees on the auto industry bailout, does one agree to how it was done, i.E. the bond holders, stock holders (including preferred) lost their entire investment as it was entirely written off; I believe that Romney has said he would have supported GM but in a different way by maintaining their responsibility to (especially) the bond holders. Could this have been accomplished? I realize that the UAW wanted their money also, etc.. but was Romney’s plan viable, Please no lib/con garbage-”just the facts,mam”……… that is my comment debbie SIXTY people ,1 in a MONSTER suit, OH MY GOD, it can’t be a MONSTER suit, save the children…OH MY GOD, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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It was the movie all along.

Time to apologize cons.

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“Actually, the opposite is true, Crier. The more we learn, the more likely it seems that the attack was NOT premeditated or planned, but rather occurred when those involved saw an opportunity and took it. As a senior intelligence official told the Washington Post, “The attackers were disorganized; some seemed more interested in looting. Some who claimed to have participated joined the attack as it began or after it was under way. There is no evidence of rehearsals, they never got into the safe room . . . never took any hostages, didn’t bring explosives to blow the safe room door, and didn’t use a car bomb to blow the gates,” all evidence that it wasn’t well-planned or coordinated beforehand.”

So why blame it on a movie ??????

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Did anyone else notice the GALLUPing poll shows Romney with much less of a lead now and dropping?

Have a nice day!

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Adam,

They will correct right before the election and that is when I will look at them.

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“Did anyone else notice the GALLUPing poll shows Romney with much less of a lead now and dropping?”

Nice spin. So now they celebrate that O is still losing- just not losing by as much. Fun-knee.

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Only in the con alternate-reality universe would the suggestion that we listen first before taking action be a bad thing.

I guess gathering and understanding facts prior to reacting is a threat to the wingnut way of life.

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RB — “Joe, so the workers in Detroit matter but the ones at all the dealers they put out of business don’t?”

Did I think or say that? No.

“I’m sure you don’t reall give a crap about any of those dealers”

I’m sure you’re wrong.

“since they were all those small business owners you hate so much”

For the second time this afternoon, lies make baby jesus cry. No heaven cookie for you..

“but what do you suppose happene to all the mechanics who worked for them. Do they not matter to you?”

Did I think or say that? No.

“By the way, in my opinion, GM and C are still going out of business unless they fix their core problems. All the government cash did is delay it for a while.”

FWIW, Continental Airlines went through THREE bankruptcies since 1990 and none of them, singly or collectively, solved the airline’s problems — because it still wound up merging with United in order to save its tail. And you know what? A lot of employees lost their jobs in that merger.

http://www.khou.com/news/Continental-to-lay-off-hundreds-of-employees-in-Houston-115497389.html

If I wanted to be a Richard the way you’re being one this afternoon, I suppose I could speculate about how pleased *you* must be about all those laid-off CO and UA employees. After all, the bankruptcies made everything all better, right?

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Eyewitnesses that said the local militia told them it was the movie or the right focused on getting our President and not the local militia that did it.

I think I will go with the eyewitnesses on this one.

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By the way, in my opinion, GM and C are still going out of business unless they fix their core problems

Is this coming from one of the same people all upset about how they changed their business model radically and rapidly to support more hybrid and electric cars? You know, the same kind of stuff people are actually BUYING now?

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getalife: Please link me to something that credibly states the eyewitness reports.

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Jay Bookman is nothing more than a flaming, bed-wetting liberal who believes OBAMA is the Messiah like so many other morans in our society! When will you lemmings open your eyes & ears & see the truth about Obama & his pack of lies? He owns the media who sit up & beg for his table scraps like a whining dog. If you don’t believe it, ask yourselves how much he & his wife has spent on vacations & golf & shopping sprees on the the taxpayer’s money. Think about how much money is spent in their entourage & security alone. To all black Americans…check your history & you’ll see that the Democrats enslaved your ancestors & the republicans freed them.

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Adam,

Spin. Spin. Spin. Don’t worry though. I’m pulling for your guy. I hope we get another 4 years of his incompetence so that folks will learn the hard way once and for all that lib policies do not work. I figure at that point we will be well over 20 trillion in debt, incomes will be eroded another 8-10% in purchasing power losses due to all the money printing which is a hidden tax on poor or middle class folks, and economic growth will still be puttering along at 1% or so. I figure eventually even the dumbest of the libs will catch on. One can hope anyway.

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TB: To all black Americans…check your history & you’ll see that the Democrats enslaved your ancestors & the republicans freed them.

You are an idiot.

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Romney used “apology tour” as a metaphor and explained why he used such term to describe Obama’s actions. Also, an apology need not mean one says they are sorry, only that one expresses some regret for a past action. By such definition, it’s clear that Obama was at a minimum implying that there were plenty of past actions engaged in by the United States that are regrettable and he made it a point to point these out on his visits. Using the term “apology tour” as a metaphor is not something for so-called fact-checkers to say is true or not true. It’s up to individuals to decide for themselves whether they think such metaphor applies or doesn’t apply to the actions Obama engaged in and whether it was fair or not fair to use such metaphor.

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many those chevy VOLTS are movin’off the lots………

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“Romney used “apology tour” as a metaphor and explained why he used such term to describe Obama’s actions”

Your apology for Romney’s words is duly noted

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Lord help us- ‘We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators…’

Unless you happened to be one of their 47%ers getting kicked off the gravy train…

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DDR,

To be fair, Romney’s tie to Sensata is quite a reach…first Bain acquired it in 2006 many years after Romney’s working at the firm..some facts you may enjoy

Bain Capital Fund VI in 1998 was last Romney related venture. The sensata deal was either Bain Cap fund VIII or IX neither of which were capitalized until after 2004..Romneys separation from Bain was over 10 years ago..

You can argue his retirement may benefit from Sensata but it is near impossible to ferret out..

You claims of Romney shipping jobs overseas still falls well short of the truth…hang it up…hunt elsewhere..

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KUTGF — “My suggestion is just go ahead and say If I wanted to be a Doom about it. Its completely acceptable equivalent according to 5 major reference sources.”

FWIW, when I use the proper name “Richard” in that sort of context, I’m using it as a substitute for the four-letter word that starts with a “D” and has an “ick” at the end. But in deference to our host, I use the proper form of the name instead.

I think a few people have caught on to what I’m doing; I’ve seen others use “Richard” in that way, including one instance over on Kyle’s blog.

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How many dead American soldiers and dead Iraqi women and children does it take to make a metaphorical conservative apologize? See, bombs aren’t figures of speech. Plus, what in the hail makes you think Romney knows what a metaphor is?

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AThulsa;
If you “called Hillary’s ass out” then you had a HEAP of callin’ to do with that big ole arse…..lol! Them thar thunder-thighs can stretch out a pants-suit!

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JKL2: Unless you happened to be one of their 47%ers getting kicked off the gravy train…

If you really believe 47% of the population is dependent, and you plan to “kick them off the gravy train” immediately, what exactly do you think the outcome of that will be?

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And this sickening theme is the same tactic the Cons used 4 years ago, when they allowed Sarah Palin to proclaim that Our President had “palled around with terrorists” — shame shame on you, Cons!

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Ooops forgot the link! Unlike the conned, I can back up what I post with non-Breibart and Faux News links………

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-capital_n_1667772.html

But, but,but it’s Huffington post!!1 A liberal RAG!!!

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Looks the obsession kook is back. The more things change the more they stay the same.

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@ mark-in midtown, reasoned, rational,intellectual statement; completely beyond understanding of the majority of the extremists on this blog….Thank you and now JAY will not allow you back on for your finely nuanced discussion…Thank you.

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Necon blah, garble, blah, kookle, blah, kackle- Adam.

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To be fair, Romney’s tie to Sensata is quite a reach…first Bain acquired it in 2006 many years after Romney’s working at the firm..some facts you may enjoy

romney STILL owns controlling interest in Bain — what makes you think that he doesn’t?

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If the best you can do is falsely claim “obsession” and call those you disagree with “kooks”, you might have Pompous Assenisia.

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KUTGF — “told that Tibby guy that he was being a “Richard” about a subject with an appropriate reference to the common usage here at Jay’s.”

Cryberius?

I understand he’s changed his handle since he was ejected from Jay’s, and that’s all I’ll say about it.

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Thulsa

It was a classless joke and I said my peace on it. No different than when you interject on any given issue that you do not agree with or agree with for that matter.

Go back and read your own post if you need clarification. My responses to it played directly off of your post.

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Thulsa

Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.

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TBS — “Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.”

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me!

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Since Romney could not do much more than agree with much of Obama’s foreign policy, is he also part of the “apology brigade”?

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JHM

Actually, the government intended those guarantees to be used for making more loans, e.g. an injection of liquidity to consumers. Banks wound up using those guarantees to buy assets and shore up their balance sheets, contrary to how the government wanted them used.
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I have actually invested in a bank holding company that has given pretty good returns. They have purchased failed banks and enter into loss share agreements with the FDIC. You keep all of the return and not much of the risk. People can argue that the banks should have failed and I am good with that. I am just taking advantage of a good investment situation.

As far as the DIP financing with Government Guarantees, that is what Politifacts expert claims that Romney supported.

But Romney did not speak of DIP financing directly. We asked Laura Beth Bartell, a bankruptcy law professor at Wayne State Law School, if the term he did use, “post-bankruptcy financing,” would mean the same thing.

“I can’t read Romney’s mind as to what he meant when he used the phrase,” Bartell said. “But most bankruptcy lawyers would interpret ‘post-bankruptcy financing’ to refer to DIP financing.”

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Adam,

I would take you seriously if you posted something serious. Seriously.

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Well, the 5 or 6 videos that I’ve seen indicate that Obama was saying that the United States had not always acted in the best interests of the rest of the world and that he was going to correct it. If you want to split hairs and say it was not an apology tour that is your right. It WAS an apology tour.

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Thulsa

Many times I have read you state that another blogger “lost” (whatever that means) because they called someone a name.

Would “kook” qualify in your book based on your past assertions of who “lost” or “won”?

I know you want that Chia Pet for winning today

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JHunt163 — “As far as the DIP financing with Government Guarantees, that is what Politifacts expert claims that Romney supported.”

Right. *After* the carmakers emerged from bankruptcy, assuming there was anything left to emerge without a source of funding during the bankruptcy itself.

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TC

Maybe you and Thulsa can team up

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Well, according to Todd Akin, y’all wimmen folk have some kind of vagina chaff that prevents pregnancy by rape.

Hiya Kam!! I thank GOD for Akin’s comments!! Without him saying out loud how the whacked out GOPers think, some poor woman would’ve blindly voted for one of the apes without really looking into their dogma and rhetoric!

StevieR: his real separation from Bain was in early 2002…I’m still looking for evidence of any jobs offshored by Bain while Romney was at the helm…

Of course there are – that’s why he doesn’t want to show his tax returns.

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JHM Cool, I understand what you mean now.

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Thulsa

Just using your logic about name calling. I am not the one who runs around with the “your lost”, ” I won” or “so and so won” statements…………….

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“you lost”

excuse me

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Doom — Ew. Who would have Peerios fror breakfast?

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“Maybe you and Thulsa can team up…”

Maybe you can do the following:

“Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

John 7:24

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TC

You do a great job of judging all the time.

You meat any fake Jews lately?

Really got to run……..

You guys be good

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SPIN it all you want, son.

Thulsa Doom

October 24th, 2012
2:26 pm

Ben Shockley,

I’m calling BS on Obama accepting Christ as his savior. We all know Obama already accepted himself as his own savior.

late for a call…………

peace

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On call so can’t interject much

Don’t melt down

Based on majority of what Christians believe if you do not accept Christ as your savior, you are not a what?

So you spin all you like……………

catch up later if you are on

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they both suck,

No meltdown. Dude if you lack the sense of humor to understand that that is a joke I can’t help you. No wonder libs are wound so tight. Do you guys wake up everyday looking to be offended at the slightest humor. You are living proof that some of you do. Geez.

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“Do you guys”

You must stock up on those broad brushes. Guess you get a discount to purchase in bulk

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Nice article Jay – but, why has the AJC, et. al (ADL, JINSA, AIPAC) campaigned for the past 20 years to prevent the US Congress from passing a resolution acknowledging the Armenian Genocide?

Raphael Lemkin, a lawyer of Polish-Jewish descent and Holocaust survivor, coined the word “genocide” specifically to describe the barbarity that befell the Armenians at the hands of the Turkish State.

We cannot help but ask ourselves, had the world community used its full energy and resources to speak out against the Armenian Genocide, might the world have become more aware and more forcibly interceded against the destruction of European Jewry during the time of the Nazis?

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They Both Suck……………..That was a Great Joke

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You would be crying like a big baby if someone said something about Romney and Mormons. Some have and it is classless and I have called them out numerous times

So I stand by what I said.

Again, not here to post for your agreement. Within the rules that Jay sets out I will respond to any post in the manner that I wish to respond in.

Period, plain and simple

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they both suck,

Like I said. I have no problem with you calling it classless or tasteless even though I did not make fun of Obama’s religion but of Obama himself. There is a difference you know. But as I said and will repeat- for you to opine that I was serious about him not being a Christian is total BS.

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“You do a great job of judging all the time.”

I was merely quoting verses from the Scriptures, my friend. You quarrel is perhaps with them.

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Ahh and the gene pool. Look what scriptures did to the gene pool. The horror.

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Check Rush’s website for the apology tour information – video of president food stamps himself at numerous foreign locations. You owe us an apology, Jay.

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Every time I see Mitt Romney walk he reminds me of the old Eddie Murphy skit on Saturday Night Live about a Tight Azz White Boy.

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It is important for people to know, does anyone really want 4 more years of this administration? What good can anyone really debate thst had been positive. He is radical, arrogant, and probaly a muslin underneath that skin!

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