Those who push “apology tour” owe us an apology
In the debate Monday night, Mitt Romney once again resorted to his claim that President Obama had conducted an overseas “apology tour,” in which he allegedly traveled “to various nations in the Middle East and criticizing America.” As Obama quickly noted, that claim has been debunked as a fabrication by every fact-check organization that has looked at it.
However, that clearly hasn’t dissuaded the Romney camp from continuing to use the claim. In fact, Jennifer Rubin, a conservative columnist for the Washington Post known for her very tight ties to the Romney campaign, devoted her column Tuesday to explaining why in fact the “apology tour” claim is accurate.
As she writes:
“I am hardly the first to compile lists of apologetic utterances from Obama. These include an apology in front of the Turkish Parliament: ‘Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history.’”
That’s an “apology”? I do not see an apology, or anything resembling an apology. Just to confirm the fact, here’s the quotation with a little more context:
“The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.”
Again, no apology, just a simple, humble acknowledgement of historical fact.
But why, you may ask, was Obama even raising those issues before a foreign parliament? In that 2009 speech, the president went on to urge Turkey, a longtime U.S. ally, to try to resolve its longstanding differences with neighboring Armenia. Those differences have at their foundation the mass genocide at Turkish hands of as many as 1.5 million ethnic Armenians beginning in 1915.
As Obama told the Turkish legislators, in words that were controversial in Turkey at the time:
“Each country must work through its past. And reckoning with the past can help us seize a better future. I know there’s strong views in this chamber about the terrible events of 1915. And while there’s been a good deal of commentary about my views, it’s really about how the Turkish and Armenian people deal with the past. And the best way forward for the Turkish and Armenian people is a process that works through the past in a way that is honest, open and constructive.”
I suppose that Obama could have tried a different approach. Instead of acknowledging that America too has made mistakes, Obama could have gone the high and mighty route, broaching the delicate issue of Armenia by telling Turkish leaders that we in the United States have demonstrated ourselves at all times to be paragons of perfection, and that they ought to at least try to follow our pristine example.
Somehow, I doubt that would go over very well.
The Turkish example is interesting for another reason. Echoing the Romney/Rubin theory that it is wrong to ever admit a national mistake, the Turks have made it a major crime under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code to even mention the Armenian genocide in public, with jail terms of as long as three years. That, I suppose, takes care of the apology tour issue, although it is not a productive way for a democracy to conduct its affairs.
Another example of a supposed apology cited by Rubin is even more telling. In 2009, in a televised speech to the American people, Obama announced that, among other steps, he had signed an executive order ending the use of “enhanced interrogation”, more plainly known as torture. As Rubin quotes him:
“Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. … I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, too often we set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And during this season of fear, too many of us — Democrats and Republicans, politicians, journalists, and citizens — fell silent. In other words, we went off course.”
With those words, Obama was attempting to express his disagreement with policies that had been adopted by the Bush administration. But to Rubin, it is something much more sinister.
“Liberals don’t even see that Obama’s excoriating his predecessor is apologizing for this nation, but of course it is. George W. Bush wasn’t acting as a private citizen, and whatever he actions he took were done in the name of the United States.”
Criticizing decisions made by George Bush equates to apologizing for this nation? By trotting out such lame arguments, Rubin succeeds only in confirming just how irresponsible the “apology tour” claim really is.
– Jay Bookman
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Adam
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
Romney used “apology tour” as a metaphor and explained why he used such term to describe Obama’s actions.
Yeah and he was still wrong.
JKL2
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
Lord help us- ‘We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators…’
Unless you happened to be one of their 47%ers getting kicked off the gravy train…
Goldie
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
“Again, no apology, just a simple, humble acknowledgement of historical fact.”
And that’s the problem, Jay — Romney and his followers have no understanding of history or facts! We have to remember they have stated that their campaign “will not be dictated by fact-checkers!”
How sad for America that the Cons continue to push such hatred and bigotry against their own fellow Americans!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
DDR,
To be fair, Romney’s tie to Sensata is quite a reach…first Bain acquired it in 2006 many years after Romney’s working at the firm..some facts you may enjoy
Bain Capital Fund VI in 1998 was last Romney related venture. The sensata deal was either Bain Cap fund VIII or IX neither of which were capitalized until after 2004..Romneys separation from Bain was over 10 years ago..
You can argue his retirement may benefit from Sensata but it is near impossible to ferret out..
You claims of Romney shipping jobs overseas still falls well short of the truth…hang it up…hunt elsewhere..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 24th, 2012
3:29 pm
…like so many other morans in our society!
Oh, the irony.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
KUTGF — “My suggestion is just go ahead and say If I wanted to be a Doom about it. Its completely acceptable equivalent according to 5 major reference sources.”
FWIW, when I use the proper name “Richard” in that sort of context, I’m using it as a substitute for the four-letter word that starts with a “D” and has an “ick” at the end. But in deference to our host, I use the proper form of the name instead.
I think a few people have caught on to what I’m doing; I’ve seen others use “Richard” in that way, including one instance over on Kyle’s blog.
Adam
October 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
stands: I think Tagg’s comment was fine. He wasn’t suggesting he’d actually do it, and he pretty obviously never actually would. He was expressing frustration and I get that. I think everyone who has focused on that comment as a negative thing against Romney is wasting their time.
theintelligentdesigner
October 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
How many dead American soldiers and dead Iraqi women and children does it take to make a metaphorical conservative apologize? See, bombs aren’t figures of speech. Plus, what in the hail makes you think Romney knows what a metaphor is?
RB from Gwinnett
October 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
Joe, YOU claimed keeping people working was the reason for the bailout. Why wasn’t that extended to the dealers?
skipper
October 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
AThulsa;
Them thar thunder-thighs can stretch out a pants-suit!
If you “called Hillary’s ass out” then you had a HEAP of callin’ to do with that big ole arse…..lol!
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
Thulsa If you know Obama and he has told you different, my bad. Otherwise your statement was just plain idiotic
The statement mirrors the statesman. IOW what did you expect? Just saying………………
So how long ago did Mitt leave Bain capital???
The Boston Globe reported Thursday on SEC filings dated after February 1999 that state that Romney is the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.” A 2003 Massachusetts disclosure form says that he owned 100 percent of the company in 2002, and forms indicate that he earned at minimum $100,000 as an “executive” in 2001 and 2002, apart from investments.
The date Romney left the company is important, since he cites it to rebut the charge that Bain invested in firms that outsourced jobs. In separate SEC filings from 2000 and 2001, Romney listed his “principal occupation” as “Managing Director of Bain Capital, Inc.,” and a 2003 state financial disclosure form said he owned 100 percent of the firm in 2002.
Vote Mitt Romney!!! Outsources-In-Chief!!!!
Adam
October 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
JKL2: Unless you happened to be one of their 47%ers getting kicked off the gravy train…
If you really believe 47% of the population is dependent, and you plan to “kick them off the gravy train” immediately, what exactly do you think the outcome of that will be?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
ADAM,
Lincoln was a republican but to insinuate that the current lunatic GOP party bears any resemblence to that in Lincolns era is ridiculous…not sure who posted that slavery comment but that, like any racist comment brought up in this presidential auction serve zero purpose..
Goldie
October 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
And this sickening theme is the same tactic the Cons used 4 years ago, when they allowed Sarah Palin to proclaim that Our President had “palled around with terrorists” — shame shame on you, Cons!
Mary Elizabeth
October 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
“I suppose that Obama could have tried a different approach. Instead of acknowledging that America too has made mistakes, Obama could have gone the high and mighty route. . .”
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I am so glad to see an article addressing this issue. There was no “apology tour.” There was just our courageous American president respecting the intelligence and sensbilities of the people of this world – including the people of the United States – to level with all and to state honestly what all know, deep inside, to be true. Even America’s founders who owned slaves themselves, and who spoke of the equality of all, in spite of their immoral circumstances, nevertheless recognized and acknowledged that slavery was wrong, as was the treatment of the American Indian, and later other insightful leades proclaimed segregation was wrong as a social system within this “land of the free.”
Compare Obama’s approach to that of Romney’s. As Romney spoke of Obama’s “apologizing for American values” in the debates, I could see in Romney’s eyes piercing intensity on this issue, just
as I saw piercing intensity in Romney’s eyes as he spoke against the government’s and the public sector’s value relative to the free market. His eyes to me showed a man whose intensity of thinking was too out- of-balance, underneath the exterior mask, to be fully trusted. This man would not be the wise leader than Obama is. He lacks reflection enough to realize that all people, and all nations, have darker sides which they must bring into the daylight of consciousness so their better angels – and not their darker forces within – can be in control. Romney would rather playact a mask/ facade of his and America’s strength, based on a hierarchial vision of superiority of some over others, than acknowledge the common humanity of all. He is not in Obama’s league, imo, in his perception and in his courage, and he represents the values of the 1950s America, as does George H. W. Bush, that appearances are all important – more important than truth.
I want to move forward. I do not want to go backwards. Vote for Obama/Biden.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
Ooops forgot the link! Unlike the conned, I can back up what I post with non-Breibart and Faux News links………
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-capital_n_1667772.html
But, but,but it’s Huffington post!!1 A liberal RAG!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
Them thar thunder-thighs can stretch out a pants-suit!
There’s your sign.
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
Looks the obsession kook is back. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Adam
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
Stevie Ray: Lincoln was a republican but to insinuate that the current lunatic GOP party bears any resemblence to that in Lincolns era is ridiculous…not sure who posted that slavery comment but that, like any racist comment brought up in this presidential auction serve zero purpose..
Agreed. Although I will say linking the current Republican party to Lincoln is a wasted effort.
alex
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
@ mark-in midtown, reasoned, rational,intellectual statement; completely beyond understanding of the majority of the extremists on this blog….Thank you and now JAY will not allow you back on for your finely nuanced discussion…Thank you.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
JHM, yep, I completely understood. I don’t hang at Kyle’s much, but I did a few days aawhile back and told that Tibby guy that he was being a “Richard” about a subject with an appropriate reference to the common usage here at Jay’s. Now for some reason, he got all bend out of shape about it. >:)
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
3:34 pm
Necon blah, garble, blah, kookle, blah, kackle- Adam.
Mary Elizabeth
October 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Correction: This man would not be the wise leader “that (not than) Obama is. . .”
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
To be fair, Romney’s tie to Sensata is quite a reach…first Bain acquired it in 2006 many years after Romney’s working at the firm..some facts you may enjoy
romney STILL owns controlling interest in Bain — what makes you think that he doesn’t?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
RB — “Joe, YOU claimed keeping people working was the reason for the bailout. Why wasn’t that extended to the dealers?”
I don’t know. Why do you think it wasn’t?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 24th, 2012
3:37 pm
If the best you can do is falsely claim “obsession” and call those you disagree with “kooks”, you might have Pompous Assenisia.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 24th, 2012
3:38 pm
DDR,
While his departure during Olympics is questionable, his real separation from Bain was in early 2002…I’m still looking for evidence of any jobs offshored by Bain while Romney was at the helm…I can offer you several Fact Checks assigning 3-4 pinocchios to any such allegation if you like…are you obtaining these talking points from dumbass BIGED or other moonbats?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
3:38 pm
KUTGF — “told that Tibby guy that he was being a “Richard” about a subject with an appropriate reference to the common usage here at Jay’s.”
Cryberius?
I understand he’s changed his handle since he was ejected from Jay’s, and that’s all I’ll say about it.
DannyX
October 24th, 2012
3:39 pm
“Romney had a 52 point lead. Then 51. Now 50. He USED to be gaining. Now he’s losing.”
Yep, Adam is right, its about momentum. Obama has it right now. The post debate polls are starting to trickle in bringing good news to Obama, 2 debate wins in a row. Obama is now ahead in the Gallup registered voter poll which has been more accurate than their likely voter model in the past. By the end of the week Obama will be the clear favorite, especially in Ohio which is a must win state for Romney. Newspapers in Ohio the past week have been reporting on much improved employment numbers and a stronger housing market in Ohio.
Romney peaked too soon. His bump is fading fast.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
Thulsa
It was a classless joke and I said my peace on it. No different than when you interject on any given issue that you do not agree with or agree with for that matter.
Go back and read your own post if you need clarification. My responses to it played directly off of your post.
Adam
October 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
Thulsa: blah, garble, blah, kookle, blah, kackle.
Stop projecting. I know you cons are good at it and all, but it really makes you look like 7 year olds.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:41 pm
Thulsa
Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.
Towncrier
October 24th, 2012
3:41 pm
“Actually, the opposite is true, Crier. The more we learn, the more likely it seems that the attack was NOT premeditated or planned, but rather occurred when those involved saw an opportunity and took it. As a senior intelligence official told the Washington Post, “The attackers were disorganized; some seemed more interested in looting. Some who claimed to have participated joined the attack as it began or after it was under way. There is no evidence of rehearsals, they never got into the safe room . . . never took any hostages, didn’t bring explosives to blow the safe room door, and didn’t use a car bomb to blow the gates,” all evidence that it wasn’t well-planned or coordinated beforehand.”
I think the evidence proffered by the unnamed “intelligence official” is both curious and wrong.
First, since the evidence is supposedly “scanty” (not my word) and it is not known what militant groups might have been involved, how can it be concluded “…there is no evidence of rehearsals”?
Secondly, violent acts do not have to come from the pages of a Forsyth or le Carré novel to qualify as terrorism. Blowing oneself up in a market is not particularly sophisticated or organized, it takes no hostages and does not require a great deal of planning. In other words, planned terrorist attacks do not have to have the marks of a fictional Jackal nor do they have to have any object but the death of one of more individuals – in this case a US ambassador.
Thirdly, the Libyan government from the outset claimed it was a planned terrorist attack. I am not sure why anyone would dismiss those claims out of hand.
Fourthly, the attack occurred on 9/11. That alone suggests premeditation (or else it is one whale of a coincidence).
Finally, we are not “learning” a whole lot about this matter as yet.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
3:42 pm
TBS — “Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.”
Ooh! Ooh! Pick me!
Adam
October 24th, 2012
3:42 pm
DannyX: Romney peaked too soon. His bump is fading fast.
I don’t know about that. I think he peaked at exactly the right time. He just failed to keep the momentum going.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:43 pm
Since Romney could not do much more than agree with much of Obama’s foreign policy, is he also part of the “apology brigade”?
stands for decibels
October 24th, 2012
3:44 pm
naval gazing SHEETZ
Jhunt163
October 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
JHM
Actually, the government intended those guarantees to be used for making more loans, e.g. an injection of liquidity to consumers. Banks wound up using those guarantees to buy assets and shore up their balance sheets, contrary to how the government wanted them used.
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I have actually invested in a bank holding company that has given pretty good returns. They have purchased failed banks and enter into loss share agreements with the FDIC. You keep all of the return and not much of the risk. People can argue that the banks should have failed and I am good with that. I am just taking advantage of a good investment situation.
As far as the DIP financing with Government Guarantees, that is what Politifacts expert claims that Romney supported.
But Romney did not speak of DIP financing directly. We asked Laura Beth Bartell, a bankruptcy law professor at Wayne State Law School, if the term he did use, “post-bankruptcy financing,” would mean the same thing.
“I can’t read Romney’s mind as to what he meant when he used the phrase,” Bartell said. “But most bankruptcy lawyers would interpret ‘post-bankruptcy financing’ to refer to DIP financing.”
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
Always funny when a kook can’t prove her original claim and then posts another link from a kook website that proves nothing and has nothing to do with the original assertion. Geez.
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
3:46 pm
Adam,
I would take you seriously if you posted something serious. Seriously.
Citizen of the World
October 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
The Republicans know their base all too well — people who would never admit to making a mistake or being wrong, who would see such an admission as an apology or a sign of weakness. That’s why GWB would never acknowledge any of his missteps, and that’s why people who voted for him would never admit they made a mistake.
Romney seems to be willing to acknowledge past wrongheadedness in the way he reinvents himself almost daily, but his base interprets this as strategic, rather than sincere, so they will give him a pass on it.
Junior Samples
October 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
Well, the 5 or 6 videos that I’ve seen indicate that Obama was saying that the United States had not always acted in the best interests of the rest of the world and that he was going to correct it. If you want to split hairs and say it was not an apology tour that is your right. It WAS an apology tour.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 24th, 2012
3:48 pm
Well, all you libruls on here can just LMR, the R being the medical term for that part of the human body behind the Richard—L in a metaphorical sense, of course. In a real sense I love y’all and don’t want to get kicked off of this blog. It’s better than the funny papers use to be. And if Romney can tell you what a metaphor is, I’ll L yours.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:48 pm
Thulsa
Many times I have read you state that another blogger “lost” (whatever that means) because they called someone a name.
Would “kook” qualify in your book based on your past assertions of who “lost” or “won”?
I know you want that Chia Pet for winning today
Towncrier
October 24th, 2012
3:50 pm
“Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.”
“By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”
Matthew 7:16
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
JHunt163 — “As far as the DIP financing with Government Guarantees, that is what Politifacts expert claims that Romney supported.”
Right. *After* the carmakers emerged from bankruptcy, assuming there was anything left to emerge without a source of funding during the bankruptcy itself.
Towncrier
October 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.”
“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
John 13:35
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
TC
Maybe you and Thulsa can team up
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Now who else can you tell is is not really a Christian.”
Joe Mama. Godless Heathen too. So there’s 2. Can you provide where I claimed I could tell as much to begin with? I’m still waiting on that.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 24th, 2012
3:54 pm
Well, according to Todd Akin, y’all wimmen folk have some kind of vagina chaff that prevents pregnancy by rape.
Hiya Kam!! I thank GOD for Akin’s comments!! Without him saying out loud how the whacked out GOPers think, some poor woman would’ve blindly voted for one of the apes without really looking into their dogma and rhetoric!
StevieR: his real separation from Bain was in early 2002…I’m still looking for evidence of any jobs offshored by Bain while Romney was at the helm…
Of course there are – that’s why he doesn’t want to show his tax returns.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
Read your initial post that I responded to for clarification.
If you are still waiting it is because you haven’t went back and read it again.
That is not my problem.
Jhunt163
October 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
JHM Cool, I understand what you mean now.
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
They both suck,
Kook is a generalized term. Its like when a lot of libs on here use the term wingnuts. Are they really insulting any one person in particular? No. Which is why they don’t get banned for namecalling. Same here. You really gotta lighten up dude. Someone pee in your cheerios this morning thus making them non-cheerios?
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:58 pm
Thulsa
Just using your logic about name calling. I am not the one who runs around with the “your lost”, ” I won” or “so and so won” statements…………….
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:58 pm
Got to run
Have a good one
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
3:59 pm
“you lost”
excuse me
theintelligentdesigner
October 24th, 2012
3:59 pm
Mars Romney show no indication that they words in they anglish langage means a damn thang. He dont care which ones he sez, and so may have a conservative disease concerning the word, “meaning.” It is right common roun heah. If he gets elected, or if they supremes coronate him, it’ll be because he don say nuthin, just like Fraxs news. The less you say, the more popular you is. I just like to quote French pheelosophers sooo much. That’d be a guy name of Barthes fur you home schooled. Etch-o-Sketch’s campaign manager is uh Anglish major.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
Doom — Ew. Who would have Peerios fror breakfast?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
Anybody hear a jackazz braying?
Thank God it’s Be Kind TO retarded Jackazzes Day!! I’ve decided to be kind to our recent retard jackazz by NOT channeling my inner diva extraordinaire!
I hope God is paying attention to my jimormous sacrifice!
Towncrier
October 24th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Maybe you and Thulsa can team up…”
Maybe you can do the following:
“Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”
John 7:24
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Thulsa If you know Obama and he has told you different, my bad. Otherwise your statement was just plain idiotic”
And if you can provide proof of where I claimed Obama is not a Christain than for the 3rd or 4th time please post it.
“The statement mirrors the statesman. IOW what did you expect? Just saying………………”
From the poster who can’t back up her BS claims. God forbid should she ever get laid off. She would go protest her boss from 9 or 13 years earlier. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
TC
You do a great job of judging all the time.
You meat any fake Jews lately?
Really got to run……..
You guys be good
JKL2
October 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
adam- If you really believe 47% of the population is dependent, and you plan to “kick them off the gravy train” immediately, what exactly do you think the outcome of that will be?
If you happen to be an Iraqi, then you do not greet the Americans as liberators.
Reading is fundamental…
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
SPIN it all you want, son.
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
Ben Shockley,
I’m calling BS on Obama accepting Christ as his savior. We all know Obama already accepted himself as his own savior.
late for a call…………
peace
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
They both suck,
Jesus H. Christ man! Can you not effing understand the damn difference between everyone on here saying stuff like kooks, wingnuts, etc. and directly and specifically calling someone a name? Keep up called me garbage directly a few nights ago when he was having a meltdown. I coulda reported it to Jay and had him take a nice little vacation. I didn’t because even when its directly meant for me it doesn’t bother me.
Thicken your skin a bit and quit your damn whining. And for the 5th time approximately please provide proof of where I said Obama is not Christian. And me joking about him being his own savior is a play on the cult of personality thing so don’t even act as if that’s a serious statement about him not being a Christian.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
4:11 pm
On call so can’t interject much
Don’t melt down
Based on majority of what Christians believe if you do not accept Christ as your savior, you are not a what?
So you spin all you like……………
catch up later if you are on
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
“I’m calling BS on Obama accepting Christ as his savior. We all know Obama already accepted himself as his own savior”
They both suck,
Man oh man. If your mind actually can’t recognize that as a joke then you need your effing head examined. Good grief. That’s just damn idiotic.
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
they both suck,
No meltdown. Dude if you lack the sense of humor to understand that that is a joke I can’t help you. No wonder libs are wound so tight. Do you guys wake up everyday looking to be offended at the slightest humor. You are living proof that some of you do. Geez.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
4:15 pm
like your joke?
Again, I mentioned it I thought it was a classless joke and I said my peace.
You interject when you want to and I do the same.
Not here to post and reply in hopes that you agree with me.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
4:16 pm
“Do you guys”
You must stock up on those broad brushes. Guess you get a discount to purchase in bulk
Quagmire
October 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
Someone has posted this before but I will post it again, you know cons have a short memory like their manhood……………
92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.
33 killed at American embassies under Bush.
4 killed at American embassies under Obama.
President Obama is right. He has the BEST record of defending our embassies
Berge Jololian
October 24th, 2012
4:18 pm
Nice article Jay – but, why has the AJC, et. al (ADL, JINSA, AIPAC) campaigned for the past 20 years to prevent the US Congress from passing a resolution acknowledging the Armenian Genocide?
Raphael Lemkin, a lawyer of Polish-Jewish descent and Holocaust survivor, coined the word “genocide” specifically to describe the barbarity that befell the Armenians at the hands of the Turkish State.
We cannot help but ask ourselves, had the world community used its full energy and resources to speak out against the Armenian Genocide, might the world have become more aware and more forcibly interceded against the destruction of European Jewry during the time of the Nazis?
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:18 pm
Context they both suck. Context my child.
Ben Shockley
October 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
Mick,
Obama claims to be a Christian and claims to have accepted Jesus Christ as his savior.
Your thoughts on that?
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
Ben Shockley,
I’m calling BS on Obama accepting Christ as his savior. We all know Obama already accepted himself as his own savior.
Quagmire
October 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
They Both Suck……………..That was a Great Joke
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:22 pm
they both suck,
You can call it a classless or tasteless joke and I’m cool with that. But to opine that you think that it was a serious statement on Obama’s religious affiliation? Puh-leeze. A high school kid would recognize that as a joke and anyone else would recognize it as a play on the cult of personality thing of which I mentioned several times on that same page.
They BOTH suck
October 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
You would be crying like a big baby if someone said something about Romney and Mormons. Some have and it is classless and I have called them out numerous times
So I stand by what I said.
Again, not here to post for your agreement. Within the rules that Jay sets out I will respond to any post in the manner that I wish to respond in.
Period, plain and simple
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:26 pm
Quagmire,
So why did you leave out the 258 dead and 5,000 injured by one account in the embassy bombings under Clinton in 1998 in Tanzania and Kenya???
Oh. That’s right. Cause it doesn’t fit your BS narrative.
Thulsa Doom
October 24th, 2012
4:29 pm
they both suck,
Like I said. I have no problem with you calling it classless or tasteless even though I did not make fun of Obama’s religion but of Obama himself. There is a difference you know. But as I said and will repeat- for you to opine that I was serious about him not being a Christian is total BS.
theintelligentdesigner
October 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
That’s peculiar for a poster who has no fears other than Muslims. Why make fun of one man when it’s not hard to make fun of any religion?
Towncrier
October 24th, 2012
4:37 pm
“You do a great job of judging all the time.”
I was merely quoting verses from the Scriptures, my friend. You quarrel is perhaps with them.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 24th, 2012
4:50 pm
Towncrier — “I was merely quoting verses from the Scriptures, my friend. You quarrel is perhaps with them.”
Things just haven’t been the same since the Scriptures moved in down the street.
The husband and wife argue and fight all the time.
Their kids leave their toys in the street where anyone could run over them.
And they let their dogs run loose, pooping in everyone’s yards on the whole block.
Yes, I wish those Scriptures would move back to wherever they came from.
theintelligentdesigner
October 24th, 2012
4:54 pm
Ahh and the gene pool. Look what scriptures did to the gene pool. The horror.
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6:20 pm
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Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
October 24th, 2012
7:31 pm
Check Rush’s website for the apology tour information – video of president food stamps himself at numerous foreign locations. You owe us an apology, Jay.
Rashawn
October 24th, 2012
9:49 pm
SCHIEFFER: We know that Pakistan has arrested the doctor who helped us catch Obama (sic) bin Laden.
still laughing about that one 48 hours later
GaNative
October 25th, 2012
12:18 am
Every time I see Mitt Romney walk he reminds me of the old Eddie Murphy skit on Saturday Night Live about a Tight Azz White Boy.
Adam
October 25th, 2012
8:34 am
SCHIEFFER: We know that Pakistan has arrested the doctor who helped us catch Obama (sic) bin Laden.
still laughing about that one 48 hours later
LIBRUL MEDI…. oh wait.
Is it me are does Obama look like.......
October 28th, 2012
7:30 am
It is important for people to know, does anyone really want 4 more years of this administration? What good can anyone really debate thst had been positive. He is radical, arrogant, and probaly a muslin underneath that skin!