A little context to Romney’s proposed Navy expansion

Oh, and FIRSTIES!

Take that, DDR.

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“measure of state naval strength for all countries from 1865 to 2011detailing the”

Lost line under your name and yes it is pandering to Virginia voters.

How does a 2 trillion increase to the military they don’t need cut spending?

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How will the 2 trillion be paid for? Oh wait, in conned world, its okay to add to deficits if its a Republican.

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Poltifact ruled Romney’s claim false:

The U.S. military is at risk of losing its “military superiority” because “our Navy is smaller than it’s been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947.”
Mitt Romney, Monday, January 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

But unlike Jay to be fair Obama’s claim that Mitt supported the Arizona immigration law is false.
Says Mitt Romney “called the Arizona law a model for the nation.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: False | Details
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/17/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-says-mitt-romney-called-arizona-/

I really don’t believe anything politicians say nor do I believe anything that the media says. Now Jay is not lying but he is definetly cherry picking the truth he reveals.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/18/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-us-navy-smallest-1917-air-force-s/

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JAY,

We are all getting BS’d on defense spending..whether Romney is right about his comments or BO is correct about underwater ships is irrelevant..

We need to cut at least 25% out of defense budget now…it’s terribly offensive to taxpayers to continue to spend so non-discriminitory defense contractors pour obscene amounts of cash into DEM and GOP coffers..

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Another pander by the Weasel…big surprise!

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Have you noticed that Romney/Ryan always talk about more military equipment, for the Military Industrial Complex, but never talk about military personnel. Under Ryan’s budget proposal, money to the VA would be cut by 12-20%, the same rate that Bush had. To Hell with the wounded, we need to Job Creators for the MIC. The warriors just want more entitlements.

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josef, shouldn’t that be updated to “In Mitt’s Navy, you can use your bayonets with ease.”

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“Poltifact ruled Romney’s claim false…”

Oh…goodness…then it MUST be false.

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Yet they see nothing contradictory in redistributing wealth to people who engage in make-work activities.

The Department of Defense should not function as a middle-class welfare scheme.

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“The Department of Defense should not function as a middle-class welfare scheme.”

So are you thereby saying welfare is not good or only good by your definition?

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Romney talks about adding ships requested by the military. Obama lectures Romney on the modern military and introduces him to “aircraft carriers”. Pretty sure those are ships, Obama. Perhaps you need to be introduced to military as well.

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One of the great lessons the North learned during the Wah-uh was the importance of a Navy…they lost the war at sea and it was a mistake the unified nation would rectify and not repeat. The Navy is what propelled the country into the imperialistic age, what made it possible to come out of WWI as not just having pulled Britain’s and France’s chestnuts out of the fire, but established the republic as a, if not the, major world power. The Japanese recognized this and tried to destroy that asap. They failed. The mobility of the warship has continued to be of critical importance in protecting our vital interests around the globe, commercially, militarily and, subsequently, politically.

So, yes, it should be a priority. But as far as numbers are concerned, it ain’t the meat, it’s the motion.

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Leftists remain in denial about the real upgrading in the Chinese Navy. There is a growing threat in the Pacific, and even the Vietnamese want a more significant American presence there.

From another view, with a fully-funded Navy, it is possible that we could have placed bodies on the ground during the seven hour al Qaeda attack in Libya on Sept 11 this year, and that those guys who died in the last hour of the fight could have been saved. Leftists prefer to scrimp on security, to distribute taxpayer cash to their donors for pie-in-the-sky green energy proposals.

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Town crier

Neither.

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Can we get some bayonets up in this mutha?

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Because of the intimate, life-long association that he and all his sons have had with the miltary.

Cue josef’s video……

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“How will the 2 trillion be paid for? Oh wait, in conned world, its okay to add to deficits if its a Republican.”

I do believe that Romney understands probably MUCH better than does Obama (or Bush) the danger of “running in the red”. He has said that everything is premised upon revenue neutrality. If he is elected president, I guess we will see.

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Obama’s grandfather served in WW2. Did none of Romney’s relatives serve in the military?

No wars? Not one person served? Really? Not a one? Not even in the Civil War? They couldn’t be bothered to pick a side?

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Rags

“From another view, with a fully-funded Navy, it is possible that we could have placed bodies on the ground during the seven hour al Qaeda attack in Libya on Sept 11 this year”

uh….

pretty tight parking that battleship in the lot out front

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It seems to me that Mr. Romney is one heck of a smart man. Not only in business is he smart, but also in politics. You Democrats have been doing the D.C. two-step for generations and don’t have the the franchise on its vote getting.

The real story is the Obama regime’s cover-up, deceit, and lies about Benghazi. It won’t go away and it is getting bigger as we get closer to Nov.6. Don’t want to talk about it? I guess not.

The Reuter’s bomb shell today is so damning for your Team Obama. Looks like the chickens are all coming home to roost.

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@Finn….now that’s funny

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blogspot is ready when I am

yep, but I think I’ll mention that it was news to me that Germany would be opening a memorial to the Roma who were slaughtered during WWII.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14672261-germanys-merkel-opens-roma-holocaust-memorial-in-berlin?lite

ridiculously overdue, of course.

/drive-by

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“Obama’s grandfather served in WW2. Did none of Romney’s relatives serve in the military?

No wars? Not one person served? Really? Not a one? Not even in the Civil War? They couldn’t be bothered to pick a side?”

That was really weak.

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Fund SS and medicare, best programs for working Americans.

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Ragnar

What ships Romney has proposed would have gotten ground troops to Benghazi in a few hours?

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Romney is pricing elevators for his ships.

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Romney brings a bayonet to a nuclear submarine battle.

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Eisenhower warned us to be vigilant against interests of the military-industrial complex — now it has morphed to the industrial-military complex — the military understands the strategy of being light, fast, and powerful — ships cannot get to the scene of terrorism in a matter of hours (unless they happened to be stationed near by). Romney’s strategy will send tax dollars to the corporations instead of the field to support our troops, and at home to support our vets.

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The crassest form of cronyism and clientelism comes naturally to the Republicans.

It’s their life blood.

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Granny – to be fair, we can make fun of trip EVERDAY! Just so he won’t feel left out!!
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Have you noticed that Romney/Ryan always talk about more military equipment, for the Military Industrial Complex, but never talk about military personnel.

You know I haven’t. That’s a great and valid point you brought up — I’m going to research the numbers/data on that, I find your comment insightful.

PS: I LOVE to research data!! Your comment just gave me another reason to do it!

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Either you are for cutting spending or you are not.

There are only two types of people in the world — those that think the world is made up of only two types of people, and then there’s the rest of us.

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I have to agree with Debbie, Romney has some defense stocks somewhere. That guy doesn’t look twice unless he can triple his investment.

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WELCOME

Take it easy now…the only bi-partisan thing in DC is cronyism…it is impossible to remain in DC otherwise…that’s the 800lb gorilla that is getting larger while we debate whether to wrap it in blue or red..

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50 trillion is bs.

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Finn

Utah didn’t’ become a state until the Civil War had been over 30 years so I don’t think the Romney ancestors did not serve is not valid.

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We HAVE to have sea control due to the need to import oil

Of course we need imported oil….How else would we keep those big-@$$ ships going?

Con logic there.

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Liberal hack

Who here says or thinks what you allege about NPR etc?

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Romney will also upgrade the Air Force. We need to spend billions on a problem that plagues our fighter jets. Someone earlier questioned Romney’s commitment to our servicemen, well he does understand their needs. Here is proof.

Romney said…”When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no — and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem,”

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O’Keefe the convict?

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This was a direct pander

Isn’t this what ALL politicians do? Duh…

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“Utah didn’t’ become a state until the Civil War had been over 30 years so I don’t think the Romney ancestors did not serve is not valid.”

I’m pretty sure people from the territories DID serve…

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liberal hack: ” What I’m seeing here is the Democrats are completely alright with increased spending, as long as it’s on it’s “pet” projects”

Huh?

That makes no sense.

The Republican party feeds its 20 mil lb pet monster the military industrial complex like one giant Keynesian magic coin box of patronage — getting out of it no small amount of social discipline to boot, in return — and you criticize Democrats for spending on “pet” projects? Wow, that’s rich.

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Nothing says run down an opponent like pointing out a position that has changed in 96 hours.

OH THE HUMANITY!

SUCH CRUELTY!

Jesus wept…from laughing so damn hard.

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Granny here ya go:

Before it was blabbed out by Trumped earlier, here are the top answers to the question, ‘What do you think Trumped’s Obama surprise is?”:

(1) During his many travels, Trump’s private investigator discovered an articulate homeless man named “The Doctor,” who wears a tinfoil hat and claims to have delivered Barack Obama at Port Reitz District Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in 1961.

(2) Obama is gay married to a Kenyan he met on Easter Island during the filming of “Star Wars, Why The Hell Do We Care About Another Fraking Episode”. They were seen holding hands and cuddling. Close inspection of the man reveals that he looks surprisingly like Karl Rove.

(3) After being repeatedly disproven in his theory that Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery, does Trump give up? No. His private investigator unraveled a convoluted conspiracy amongst the paper and photo editing software editing industries that traces all the way back to Obama.

“Obama has his tentacles in the paper industry and the photoshopping software biz,” Trump will likely tweet. “His wife’s best friend’s uncle owns stock in both Adobe software and the company that produces paper for the ‘Hawaiian hospital’ where Obama was ‘born.’”

But it doesn’t end there. Trump’s P.I. found that the digital photography experts who debunked the “forgery” conspiracy are actually paid shills for the Chinese government and OPEC. And their orders came straight from President Obama, who called up China and said “Get OPEC in on this. I’ll go soft on you guys if you cover up my birth certificate. K thanks, bye.”

(4) Obama is actually the son of communist poet/labor activist Franklin Marshall Davis, who happened to live in Hawaii around the time Obama was born.

But Trump’s private investigator discovered something that DESTROYS this puny little conspiracy: Obama is actually a time traveler who is Frank Marshall Davis’ real father.

(5) Remember when Glenn Beck infamously said that President Obama is a “racist” and “has a deep-seated hatred for white people”?

Trump’s private investigator discovered that it’s actually true. So true that every morning when he wakes up, the president punches himself on the one side he considers his “white half.”

(6) Trump’s private investigator discovered that Bo Obama’s little collar tag says “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.”

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In my day, Sir Jackie Fisher was quite adamant about having an extrodinary navy, I must say came in quite handy for the germany blockade and they had subs!! Well they had to build the ships somewhere and since Newport News is the ONLY shipyard capable of building the new class of carriers ,somewhat makes sense they are manufactured there. The fact that the world’s largest navy base is a few nautical miles away might be important….Hmmmm.. Interesting how the facts might support SOME reality… Yes, yes, good old Jackie, a bit of a cad really, he and winston with there secret planning before the GREAT war (and thank goodness they were doing just that)..

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN and her navy…..

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This is sad:

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-black-woman-lied-about-kkk-setting-her-on-fire/

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JEFFERSON,

Or 63 Trillion over next 75 years..just for medicare and medicaid….the numbers on health care law are debatable….but we all know we will end up paying out the arse for this as well..what government insurance program hasn’t originally indicated a number that is fractional to later costs?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75603.html

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“In other words, Romney is dangling billions of taxpayers dollars and government-financed jobs”

Romney is a Democrat?

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Kamchak – there are only two types of people – Republicans and Democrats. If there were other types, they would have been included in the Presidential Debates, right?

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“Independent film-maker” James O’Keefe?

Isn’t he the one that planned to seduce a CNN reporter aboard a floating “palace of pleasure”, with props that included, a condom jar, dildos, posters and paintings of naked women, fuzzy handcuffs and a blindfold?

Yeah, quite the paragon of journalistic integrity that one.

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Jay @ 4:29. Yep! That’s him. And appears he worse than he was in 1981!

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“we have spent 80 billion on “green jobs” only to see a large majority of those companies go bankrupt or being in serious fiscal trouble.”

Gotta percentage for us, hack?

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“Can’t you see we need a hand
In the navy
Come on, protect the motherland
In the navy
Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy
Come on people, and make a stand
In the navy, in the navy,….”

The Village People may have been Mitt’s inspiration.

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So I thought all these good cracker folk were supposed to spit out Willard like sour milk because of his, you know, “cult” affiliations. What happened!? Just look at those polls from the South. Why these Southerner whites would vote for Romney come hell or high water, short of him coming out and saying he was bigger than Jesus or if there were last minutes revelations that he was some sort of secret Jerry Sandusky (yeah guess they’d grudgingly go for the black guy if that happened).

Southerner working class whites say they’ll vote for Romney over Obama at rates of like 6 to 1 compared to other regions of the country. What gives?

Ah well, so much for beltway pundit class conventional wisdom.

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“Paul Ryan: To Help The Poor, Cut Programs For The Poor” Aol.

More proof the gop want the middle class and poor to pay for their collapse.

Vote people .

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S. Ray’s talking about the Big Trump Announcement, Jay!

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CNN said 50% in the past two years…..but so far failure rate of “green companies” according to CNN is only 8%….but as I have said, green jobs is as much as corporate welfare as the military complex. to control spending, you have to cut both….Liberals only want cuts in military spending…..

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Recon – are you saying we have more bayonets now than in 1917? If so, prove it.

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Romney looked very strong on foreign policy today at a campaign stop. Very Presidential. Here’s a quote when asked if he could find Iraq on a map…

“I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh. . . people out there in our nation don’t have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over HERE in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.”

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Liberal hack: “every liberal here has defended NPR,”

Wrongggggggg! Any liberal worth their salt who defends NPR just hasn’t gotten over their denial and faced up to what a right wing-friendly outfit they actually are. Have you ever actually listened to their cutesy Wall St and business coverage? It’s verrrry capital friendly, believe me.

“The person in charge of NPR has a salary of 800,000 dollars, If they can pay him that much, NPR needs to be off of the gov’t dole”

Totally agree! No bigger ally in that position than me, my friend, I can assure you. I’ve long said that what NPR needs is to have people coming after it from the left just as viciously as the right.

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“Yeah, quite the paragon of journalistic integrity that one.”

Video tapes, if unedited, do not “lie”. Phil Specter was convicted of murder. That does not change the fact that he produced some great albums.

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Regnad: Does this help?

List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs & Companies – By Obama
Update: 7/19/12: The Amonix Solar: FAIL! – manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.

Solar Trust of America: FAIL! – Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012

Bright Source: FAIL! – Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”

Solyndra: FAIL! – Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.

LSP Energy: FAIL! – LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012

Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy

Abound Solar: FAIL! – Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.

SunPower: FAIL! – SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.

Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.

Ecotality: FAIL! – ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.

A123 Solar: FAIL! – A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.

UniSolar: FAIL! – Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.

Azure Dynamics: FAIL! – Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.

Evergreen Solar: FAIL! – Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.

Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.

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JAY,

It was clear the adminstration knew it was terrorist attack (beyond todays release) because, as implied by your pal in the Rose Garden and confirmed strongly in the debate, he insists he did mention terror attack…why then did he move off this response (per Carney et al) and minimize the role of al queda?

Why hasn’t he held a news conference and bring us up to speed as opposed to having to defend himself via his people and folks like you instead of being on the offensive?

Lets assume there is not election related cover-up….why does his staff backpeddle and defend at this time…seems like a terrific time to garner votes if he simply came out and let us know the turn of events?

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Comparing O’keefe to a convicted murderer for a credibility assertion…

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“Recon thinks we don’t have fewer horses in the armed services than we did in 1916!”

A lame attempt to deflect from the ironic fact that there are indeed now more bayonets being used than in 1916. I guess that is what happens when personal attacks are substituted for an actual plan.

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gotta run for now, will read comments later….see ya!

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Well, won’t them Towelheads be suprized when we whack their azzes with troops coming off of a ship that’s pulled into the parking lot of their hideout? Back when I was in the army it took 3 miserable weeks on a ship to get to Guam. Now they could probly do it in a couple days tops.

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“Comparing O’keefe to a convicted murderer for a credibility assertion…”

Babbling thoughtlessly with no clear rebuttal…

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Please allow me to introduce you to logic….Each infantryman either Army or Marine Corps carries a bayonet, K-bar or other sharp bladed weapon. Now given that fact what is the T.O. comparison between combat infantry size today verses 1917?

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It’ll be tougher for Mitt to buy Navy votes than it was for Obama to buy GM & Chrysler union votes. At least with a ship, we’ll get something for our money.

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Well, the good news is that Romney will nominate justices to the Supreme Court who will overturn Roe v. Wade. Then, he’ll get the Personhood Amendment passed, so we can stop abortion totally. Then, he’ll get rid of this welfare stuff, so these extra kids better be born to people who can afford them (ha ha). This is the important thing to know, not whether he’s going to build more ships.

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“In other words, Romney is dangling billions of taxpayers dollars and government-financed jobs”

Is this kinda like building roads and bridges?

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PAUL

Actually, Utah was an interesting case during the Civil War.The vacating of the area by federal troops left a vacuum and the domestic politics between the Mormon majority, threatening to take the chance to go for independence, and the increasing number of non-Mormons who were mainly out to stay out of the fracas back east…there was a good deal of politicking coming out of it. Remember, the trans continental railroad was a thing at the time and the railroad interests were not real quick to “take sides…” Finally, though, when it was clear that the Union would come out on top, Young organized a militia siding with the Union…

A good read on all this is Twain’s “Roughing It…”

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Towncrier, thanks, didn’t see that one.

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Phil Specter was convicted of murder. That does not change the fact that he produced some great albums.

Phil Specter passed himself off as a journalist?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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ragnar @4:04 Leftists remain in denial about the real upgrading in the Chinese Navy. There is a growing threat in the Pacific, and even the Vietnamese want a more significant American presence there.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Do the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! have plans to expand their navy?

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President Obama schooled mitt on foreign policy because mitt had no idea what he is talking about.

mitt ended up agreeing with our President and endorsed him.

The numbers are moving to our President as predicted.

Four more years!

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lol Kam

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Well, the good news is that Romney will nominate justices to the Supreme Court who will overturn Roe v. Wade. Then, he’ll get the Personhood Amendment passed, so we can stop abortion totally. Then, he’ll get rid of this welfare stuff, so these extra kids better be born to people who can afford them (ha ha)

Your statement was chilling. Too bad I already voted…..

Oh wait!! I’m a Dem!! I can vote at least 4 more times!!!

Oh darn!! I gave away the Dem strategy!! I’d better watch it while I’m at Whole Foods with my food stamps.

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“A squad of 10 soldiers with modern weaponry could mow down a massed bayonet charge of several hundred.”

In other words, never show up at a gun fight with just a knife!

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pogo – GW Bush walked HOLDING HANDS with the Saudi Prince and KISSED HIM. Yes, he KISSED him, and you want to make something of Obama being courteous? Bush = Romney, and, by the symetric property of equality, Romney = Bush.

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4 more times only DDR?

At my Whole Foods, if you tell them you are dead, you get 10 ballots.

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Jay,

I’m afraid I’m going to have to send you a bill to replace the keyboard in my office that I spit coffee all over from laughing so hard at your submarine with drills underneath Iraq comment.

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Would “dangling jobs” in front of voters be akin to billions of dollars to bail out GM and Chrysler and then four years of bragging about it be considered “dangling jobs” in front of voters? Nah, the honest, well sometimes honest, well maybe seldom honest Obama wouldn’t do that now would he? As the “Commander in Chief” of our armed forces, I would think he would know the difference between a ship and a boat but once again his ignorance was on display during the debate. The even dumber bong pipe media thought Obama made a brilliant insightful comment when calling ships “things” and submarines “boats” while professional military men cringed at this worldwide display of ignorance.

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Joe Hussein Mama

October 24th, 2012
5:14 pm

R. Danneskjold — “Leftists remain in denial about the real upgrading in the Chinese Navy.”

You mean that little bitty Chinese “aircraft carrier” that can’t launch *or* recover fixed-wing aircraft?

That kind of denial?
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Holy crap on a stick JHM, did Ragsie REALLY post that stuff you quoted? Please tell me it isn’t so. NO ONE is THAT stupid are they? The Chinese Navy is only a slightly larger threat than the Swiss navy…………..

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Okay EC, if the Chinese are such a concern and we need to expand the Navy, would you support candidates who said they would vote for expanding the NAVY by raising taxes on the top 1% and not permitting a single dime to be added to the deficit for those ships?

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Obama wants so badly for America to be a nation modeled after the socialist pansies in Europe

Wow. It’s rube hour!

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RAMBLE ON!!!

October 24th, 2012
5:19 pm

Jay, waiting on your article about Our Campaigner in Chief, King Obama lied about Benghazi and did nothing for 7 hours as our Ambassador and 3 other Americans were being murder by TERRORIST!!!
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Hell yeah. Obama should have grabbed an M60, teleported himself there and then gone all Rambo whup ass on them there terrorist. That’s what a REAL President would’a done dammit.

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Jay, last I heard the Army still issues bayonets and other sharp bladed weapons. Crew served belt fed weapons i.e. machine guns, along with automatic rifles date back even before WWI. The fire power capability then while greatly improved in today’s similar weapons were none the less capable of inflicting the same casualties that you described. Wave assaults can and have in wars past as well as even today can penetrate defensive positions where bayonets or other bladed weapons can be employed and that’s why they’re still issued.

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

October 24th, 2012
5:20 pm

FRED/GETALIFE/DDR

I’m glad you feel so strongly that this is a trumped up BS and you may be right…if so, it should be easy for Barry to simply tell us what happened and why on the surface this appears like a cluster…if you all are correct and his handling is stellar, he should be taking advantage and using his handling as a positive talking point…
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Why should he address stupid? He’s done nothing BUT address your Republican stupidity his whole term, the birthers, the transcripts, the “he’s a muslim.” There is no END to your stupid allegations. Quit wasting our damned time with it. Grow the hell up.

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TUNDRA,

You are spot on about Romney dangling jobs over Newport News…typical politician..Neither of them have any great plans except to promise more jobs that they really have little control over…

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“The Chinese Navy is only a slightly larger threat than the Swiss navy…………..”

But it is vastly larger than the Mongolian navy.

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Fred — “Holy crap on a stick JHM, did Ragsie REALLY post that stuff you quoted? Please tell me it isn’t so. NO ONE is THAT stupid are they? The Chinese Navy is only a slightly larger threat than the Swiss navy…………..”

Rags styles himself as a hardcore libertarian and tries to argue that he’s not partisan, but he’s nothing but a big-government conservative statist. He’s said a number of things recently that clearly illuminate him as such.

I’ll give you an example. Rags said to me back in the spring that when Congress met on a weekend to pass that bill forcing Michael Schiavo to stick the feeding tube back in his wife (and President Bush flew back to Washington from vacation to sign it), that was an ‘appropriate use of governmental power.’

Now, I don’t know where you stand on the Terri Schiavo issue, but that’s not the point. Rags, who’s supposedly a *Libertarian,* said that Congress passing a law that affected only ONE SINGLE AMERICAN was an ‘appropriate use of governmental power.’ Uh, sorry, but laws that only affect or enjoin a SINGLE American are, IMO, the absolute worst kind of abusive, corrosive state power.

I pressed Rags on the point, and he said that it was appropriate because ‘the means served a just end.’ IOW, since the law enforced something that he was personally in favor of, he supported it.

That’s not Libertarianism. That’s some kind of really effed-up totalitarian or monarchy bullspit right there.

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[The point completely passes over the reader's head as he stares unthinkingly at his monitor, wondering which of his dozen or so self-cliched expressions he should type next or, since he appears to be really incapable of logical debate, what childishly Biden-esque thing he could do or say to try to "win" his "case"] “Phil Specter passed himself off as a journalist?”

[This poster, sizing up his "opponent", decides to answer to answer as the reader perhaps deserves] Yes…and also a space alien!

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Jay, I think your price tag for the subs is a little high; the Navy’s been making adjustments to get the cost below $2 billion each. And it’s worth mentioning that Romney’s call for three new subs a year is an increase of only one per year above the current plan. But those are minor points (as, in response to other posters, are the facts that we don’t need much oil to run our nuclear-powered fleet and that subs are, in fact, boats, not ships).

More important is that historical comparisons to numbers of ships and percentages of global naval power don’t mean anything. We need the candidates to explain their strategy for using naval power, then propose naval forces to carry out that strategy. Romney’s call for a 313-ship Navy doesn’t tell us anything, nor does Obama’s dismissive response about aircraft carriers and subs. A Navy focused strictly on protecting our home waters and the shipping lanes serving us is far different from a Navy that projects power in the eastern Med, the Indian Ocean, East Asia, etc.

I wish we’d gotten that kind of Navy discussion Monday night instead silly comparisons by both candidates to the military a century ago.

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FRED,

Name calling and shout downs are not valid debate points…if it is so stupid (BTW I’m not voting for either), then even you should be able to answer the question….I know you are a bright guy when your head is not clouded with emotion…take a stab!
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Really? Pray tell, what name did I call you? Please provide an example of admit that was just one more lie in your tactics of diversion?

You need to adhere to the same guidelines you feel other should use.

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Reagan deficit spent to create a 600 ship Navy so we could invade Grenada. Most of the ships were scrapped or mothballed like the USS Wisconsin. Jay is 100% right on why this Navy expansion matters to Willard. Just buying votes.

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So Steve when did you stop beating your wife?

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“need the candidates to explain their strategy for using naval power”

Well, we know what Romney intends to do: protect that “pathway to the sea”

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We cannot have Small Government and Big Defense at the same time.

If Romney is serious, then any pretense that he will ask Congress to reduce the size of government is just “hope”.

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if so, it should be easy for Barry to simply tell us what happened and why on the surface this appears like a cluster…

Maybe initial reports indicated it was about the tape. Maybe not. Maybe it took a few days to sort through the various he said/he said stuff. Maybe Obama and Hillary are lying through their teeth while sending a drone.

Our objective should be tracking and killing terrorists, not keeping busybody partisans happy. Obama is doing one of those things well and I personally could care less about the other.

In short, if you want to know what’s going on over there why don’t you volunteer your @$$ and go find out, Mr. Armchair Spy and Intel Analyst. Supplying details for your whining isn’t a priority, if that upsets your notion you’re the center of the universe—bummer.

If you don’t want to vote for the president for that reason then just acknowledge it’s all about you and vote however you want.

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Doggone, you know we are at great risk. Canada’s pathway to the sea is through Mexico.

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Neither of them have any great plans except to promise more jobs that they really have little control over…

Ditto!

‘If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.’ ~Emma Goldman.

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FRED

“Oh is this your new Republican stupidity waste of time campaign? Anytime someone points out the stupidity and irrelevance of your crap call them “angry?”

Anyhow I am also not a wife beater as you now are labeling..deflection again..

KEEPS,

I don’t watch network TV some cable….I’m particular to Discovery and Smithsonian although I watched all the episodes of breaking bad, downton abby and now am watching homeland.

How long will this investigation take? It’s a terrorist activity….its a video….Heck, if he were doing such a great job, he should have brought it up as selling point in the debate..

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Are you liberals so dense that you don’t know Obama’s very own administration is purchasing helicopters from Russia having the effect of transferring more U.S. Jobs overseaks than Bain Capital ever did? This is common knowledge.

.Pentagon Defends Buying From Russia Trader Aiding Assad
By Tony Capaccio and David Lerman -
May 9, 2012 The Pentagon says it’s in a bind, with nowhere to turn for helicopters needed by Afghanistan’s air force except Russia, a top arms supplier to Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad.

The U.S. Army has a $375 million contract to buy 21 Russian-made MI-17 helicopters for the Afghans from Rosoboronexport, Russia’s state-run arms trader, Pentagon Undersecretary for Policy James Miller said in a previously undisclosed March 30 letter to a lawmaker opposed to the deal.

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Rapid reaction force deployment to Benghazi was within our capability, however, the order would have had to come down from the CnC. Given what we’ve been learning over the last several days that the attack in real time was being reported back to Washington, it’s hard to believe the president wasn’t informed. I’m guessing that he was informed and declined to give a go order for a reaction force in fear there could have been collateral damage that could have produced an issue just before the election. The administration is trying to cover up its failures to provide adequate security and that Obama withheld an order to deploy a reaction force.

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This is common knowledge.

I will be the starting pitcher in game 1 of the World Series.

This is common knowledge.

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Righty — “it was, one and attack by organiazed terrorists and two that the terrorists were most likely affiliated with Al Qaeda. One hour away, we had jet fighters with rockets, and laser guided munitions. While the attack raged for more than six hours our government (most likely with the knowledge of the president) observed, watched, talked to the victims, and did nothing. Our government did nothing! Nothing!”

Let me get this straight.

You’re absolutely convinced that we knew, DURING the attack, that the assault was being conducted by identifiable, known terrorists, possibly al-Qaeda members. Is that right?

You’re also convinced that we should have attacked ASAP with air assets and air-to-ground weaponry. Is that right?

Assuming your answers to both questions are ‘yes,’ did it ever occur to you that an armed incursion into foreign territory was what Congressional Republicans *rebuked* President Obama for in 2011 — when we took part in the NATO operation in Libya? And now you *want* him to do *exactly* what the GOP got upset about?

And did it ever occur to you that the current government of Libya might get upset about us unilaterally invading and conducting an armed assault in a metropolitan area?

Furthermore, do you think that *bombs* are an appropriate weapon to use in a city, where businesses and residences may be in close proximity to the target zone?

I don’t think you’ve thought this through very far, Righty.

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Aquagirl & T.C.:

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“Name calling and shout downs are not valid debate points…”

True dat. But that doesn’t stop people here from resorting to them as a primary means of arguing…

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Gasoline? Who cares! What about the prices of bayonets and binders?

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Jeez…ask a legimate[sic] question…

“legitimate”, puerile, whatevs.

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Here comes the Chinese Navy! I’m so scared. They don’t have boats that go under water, do they?

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“hoping it wins him the presidency”

He is also courting the Military-Industrial-Complex, knowing that if elected and able to carry out this naval buildup, he and his party will be rewarded with a very generous amount of money.

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Ragman wrote:
But if you don’t really care about safeguarding America’s interests elsewhere, my argument is moot.

“America’s interests”, my cheeks! How about Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Mining, Big Ag, and misc crony capitalists pay for their own security.
Imo, nothing’s changed since USMC Col Smedley Butler wrote: “War is a Racket” in the 1930’s.

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Well Stevie, I don’t rightly know. How long did it take Bush to kill OBL? Oh wait

I believe the facts will support me on this, Bush was president when our soldiers captured Saddam Hussein, turned him over to the Iraquis who put him on trial and executed him. Unlike the lame brained Obama, Bush has never bragged or taken credit for it.

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Who will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016?

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Regarding the navy – there was a famous comment by an admiral toward the end of the cold war, “The navy has two kinds of vessels – submarines and targets.” Romney’s plan has no support in the military.
It reminds me of Reagan. By the way why didn’t we just use his Star Wars program to defend Benghazi. Surely, there are some space based lazers that could have done the trick.
When the cons here show the same concern for the Pat Tillman cover up, which lasted two years, they will have some credibility regarding Benghazi. And don’t use a terrorist email claiming credit as your proof that the administration absolutely knew the events at Benghazi.

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Okay…I’m out guys. Goodnight all!

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Towncrier — “I am puzzled, JHM. You said previously that “…Libertarians…don’t apply a ‘purity test’ to determine who can and can’t call themselves libertarians.” How does that statement square with your criticism of Rags?”

I’m not applying a “purity test” to him, for one. I have no idea how he conducts his life and/or personal affairs.

For two, *advocating* the coercive use of state power against a *single individual* via the passage of legislation that affects *only* that individual (particularly when that individual is neither guilty or accused of any crime) is demonstrably antithetical to the expressed position of the Libertarian Party, and to libertarian thought and philosophy. I can’t see how anyone claiming to be a libertarian would be in favor of *any* law that affected only a single individual, regardless of what behavior or activity that law compelled or enjoined.

Is that clearer?

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Mighty Righty: I believe the facts will support me on this

I believe you are in the same BS category of Ben Shockley, just making things up and claiming there is bound to be evidence.

You lose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2_C7mhnE34

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JAY

Off topic but is it a no-brainer to take FLORIDA -4 versus my Dogs? The odds makers are alarmingly accurate but I’m not seeing this angle..

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Jeez…ask a legimate question

A legitimate question implies the asker knows enough to pose a legitimate question.

You don’t know spit about our intelligence gathering capabilities or who should know what when. The fact you can get on the interwebz and howl I WANNA KNOW does not give you a magical ability to evaluate any answer you get.

If you’re not satisfied by the answer it doesn’t mean squat. Except that you fancy yourself an expert in what everyone should know, what information we should release, and how to run international affairs.

I realize it’s fashionable in the age of blogs for everyone to think they know Just How This $#!^ Should Work, Dammit, ‘Cause They Know It All And They Googled That $#!^ For A Whole Fifteen Minutes. Fer chrissakes we have people here declaring they know how many ships we need and how they should be deployed.

Please don’t stupid yourself down to that degree.

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D. DoRight — “Scooby Doo: Rii ront roow”

Ruh ro, Rebbie!

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Michael

Don’t forget the trumped up Jessica Lynch story. No where near the scale of the Tillman case, but surely a trumped up lie.

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Well the reason gas is at $6 a gallon is all because of Obama. He stopped all US drilling or something like that. Here’s proof…

The top 10 oil producers through the first half of this year. Figures are in thousands of barrels per day.

Saudi Arabia: 11,619
United States: 10,855
Russia: 10,343
China: 4,312
Canada: 3,865
Iran: 3,825
United Arab Emirates: 3,029
Mexico: 2,942
Iraq: 2,816
Kuwait: 2,802

We may become the worlds greatest producer of oil but hey wait….BENGHAZI!!!

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2012/10/24/u-s–may-hit-no–1-in-oil.html

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How is Romney’s ships for the Navy rhetoric for Virginia voters different from the bailout of the unions in the stimulus to keep the union vote for Obama? No wonder the electorate has lost confidence in our politicians…they are politicians.

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Well, maybe we could afford a few more ships if we abandoned eco-weenie, tree-hugger initiatives bio-fuel initiatives that rob taxpayers and reduces military readiness.

NYT:

“The still-experimental fuels are also expensive — about $27 a gallon for the fuel used in the demonstration, compared with about $3.50 a gallon for conventional military fuels.”

Outrageous!

Hey O’bozo. Let’s try windmills on submarines next!

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Bookman….you are so not funny…find a real story, no more commie mommie liberal anti-military tirades, please!

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We women have to know our place!

Maybe I need one of those god-given rape babies to domesticate me and restore me to my proper place.

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It’s really too bad that none of what anybody says here matters, either side, because GA is as Red as can be. So this has become vent 2. I’ve already voted and I don’t think there’s any doubt. Never another draft dodger in the WH. But just a thought for all you Repubs that think the Repub leadership is more pro military than the Dems. It’s not so. And that all Military personnel vote Republican. Not so either. My experience of 30+ years in the Military shows that the Military personnel are split along the same lines as the rest of the Country. So if Willard’s depending on the Military to elect him. he’ll be sorely disappointed.

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Danny those figures look a lot like the cuts Obama contends Romney will make in services.

The facts is he will cut the rate of increase in services. In other words instead of spending 20% more we will spend 10% more. They are playing with make believe money.

And Bangahzi matters Danny. Americans were killed, Americans that Obama put there and then refused to protect.

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We may become the worlds greatest producer of oil but hey wait….BENGHAZI

Imo, this election won’t be won or lost based on events in BungaWazi, Timbuktu, or East Jesus, Siberia.
Almost wish they’d find a New and Exciting issue.

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Mama Says, this is for you.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/22/romney-takes-the-etch-a-sketch-to-iran-policy/?cp=6#comment-1121576

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Jay, watch the last debate he denied supporting a status of forces agreement ( I called it a use of force agreement earlier ) that would have left at least 20,000 troops in country after the draw down. Matter of fact it was when he was trying to say that Romney supported wanting more troops in country, which is exactly what the Obama administration was negotiating. Remember one of the issues that Obama had with the Iraqi demands was that they wanted jurisdictional authority over our troops in criminal matters, and Obama refused to agree to that ?

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Your right Debbie, exactly where a women should be, of course after you take my shoes and impregnant me.

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What was the argument Jay ?

Obama did say he never wanted the agreement even though Biden was negotiating one right ?

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While you’re up and about, Aqua, peel me a grape.

What kind of grapes pair well with beer?

I suck at this domestic stuff.

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Speaking of the GOP and the Middle East…

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/opinion/who-threw-israel-under-the-bus.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121024&_r=0

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What kind of grapes pair well with beer?

The Grapes of Draught?

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Mama says had a dream and heard all those things in that dream and Sean Hannity was there and Ann Coulter was there and Rush Limbaugh too and they was all staying at a Holiday Inn Express and that’s the truth.

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Jay you gave it to me yourself.

Like I said Obama lied. He got on Romney about the troops in Iraq. He stated Romney would have them there now. When asked he never admitted that he attempted to negotiate the exact same thing that he accused Romney of supporting.

You and I both know that he tried to get a status of forces agreement that would have kept our troops there. Now he is acting like he didn’t.

Here is your transcript and what Obama tried to do. Bottom line is he accused and then deflected Romneys response. He wanted the exact same thing he said Romney wanted

Point of conversation in which its spoken of,

ROMNEY: Excuse me. It’s a geopolitical foe, and I said in the same — in the same paragraph I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia, or Mr. Putin. And I’m certainly not going to say to him, I’ll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election, he’ll get more backbone. Number two, with regards to Iraq, you and I agreed I believe that there should be a status of forces agreement.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: Oh you didn’t? You didn’t want a status of…

OBAMA: What I would not have had done was left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. And that certainly would not help us in the Middle East.

ROMNEY: I’m sorry, you actually — there was a — there was an effort on the part of the president to have a status of forces agreement, and I concurred in that, and said that we should have some number of troops that stayed on. That was something I concurred with…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: Governor…

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: …that your posture. That was my posture as well. You thought it should have been 5,000 troops…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: Governor?

ROMNEY: … I thought there should have been more troops, but you know what? The answer was we got…

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: … no troops through whatsoever.

OBAMA: This was just a few weeks ago that you indicated that we should still have troops in Iraq.

ROMNEY: No, I…

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: …I’m sorry that’s a…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: You — you…

ROMNEY: …that’s a — I indicated…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: …major speech.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: …I indicated that you failed to put in place a status…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: Governor?

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: …of forces agreement at the end of the conflict that existed.

OBAMA: Governor — here — here’s — here’s one thing…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: …here’s one thing I’ve learned as commander in chief.

(CROSSTALK)

SCHIEFFER: Let him answer…

OBAMA: You’ve got to be clear, both to our allies and our enemies, about where you stand and what you mean. You just gave a speech a few weeks ago in which you said we should still have troops in Iraq. That is not a recipe for making sure that we are taking advantage of the opportunities and meeting the challenges of the Middle East.

Now, it is absolutely true that we cannot just meet these challenges militarily. And so what I’ve done throughout my presidency and will continue to do is, number one, make sure that these countries are supporting our counterterrorism efforts.

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Like I said Obama lied.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

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I have it on good word that I will be the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl.

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JAY,

Yeah I’m not a big gambler and don’t get emotional except watching the dogs..I was in Herchel’s class for undergrad…he is super nice guy…more importantly I got pulled off goalpost after we won Sugar Bowl..don’t mess with cops in Big Easy..

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GEORGIA

Trumps hair is most interesting…I guess he dresses up with amazing confidence…funny to watch him on a windy day…why anyone pays any attention to him is beyond me.,,,

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I have it on good word from Harry Reed that Tweedledum will one day make sense.

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Jay isn’t the entire Obama position is that Romney would have troops in country today

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SCOUT

Yep…and the Krystal parking lot was one of our hang-outs…

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find me a transcript that actually has what Obama is saying instead of “cross talk ”That’s when he was saying he did not want the troops there

You want Jay to find you a transcript with something unspecified that you claim to have heard? Let me guess…if Jay can’t find it, that means whatever the hell you’re trying to claim is true and you win. The RealClearPolitics leftists obscured this damming moment with (crosstalk). AHA!

Where is the facepalm thingy when we really need one? Because if ever there was a facepalm moment, this is it.

Lawdy.

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Kam, Did you complete your dive to the bottom of the marianas trench this morning?

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In other news, they’re no longer after macaque in Florida.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14675792-tranquilizer-dart-ends-roaming-days-of-floridas-mystery-monkey?lite

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Where is the facepalm thingy when we really need one? Because if ever there was a facepalm moment, this is it.

Will this do?

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They dipped them in chocolate if you asked !

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“Oh, yeah…don’t forget…it’s 25 cent Krystals today”

Heck, I can remember when they were a dozen for a dollar

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josef:

Psalm 74 (A Prayer for Israel – specifically verse 19)

“Do not give the life of Your dove to beasts.”

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The fact is proven. Obama jumped Romney for something he himself wanted. I proved it with your transcript. If you decline your own information then so be it.

We all know what Obama wanted, what he sent Biden to negotiate and what he would have agreed to, on troop presence in Iraq had Iraq agreed to drop the jurisdictional issue over our troops.

He turned against the entire plan when Romney came out in support of it.

The fact should also be apparent that if there was crosstalk Obama was talking. Which means Obamas responses were audible on TV if you paid attention.

I stand by both assertions.

Post a complete transcript when you offer your proof.

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josef:

The seemed (especially the buns) to be so much more “greasier” back then ……………

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Vote for Obama.
It is easier than getting a job.

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“Vote for Obama.
It is easier than getting a job”

And this is supposed to persuade someone to change their vote…how?

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Your wish is my command, Aqua:

Ooh, I will peel an extra grape. And some for Kam too.

The fact is proven. Obama jumped Romney for something he himself wanted. I proved it with your transcript. If you decline your own information then so be it.

Double lawdy. This person has obviously OD’d on Krystal’s. Y’all should pay more attention to your diet, see what happens? Your brain hardens and then sails off the edge of the earth.

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We need more subs. Pen in the Chinese.

Good call Romney.

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Doggone 7:16 it won’t

But it was kinda funny

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Love you to Auqa,

But I do believe its the liberals who hear and see what they want, you are certainly proof of that, aren’t you

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Aquagirl,

Fix me a sammich while you’re at it. And kam don’t need the grape. More like exlax for him.

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I’m worried that putting that many boats in the ocean will raise sea level and we know we can’t deal with that.

And we have to put equal numbers in the Pacific and the Atlantic or 1/2 of the country might float up and then it would be all down-hill to California, or visa-versa.

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I did not wish to edit the read so all u libs can get the entire story.

You may pay particular attention to why the troop negotiations failed and what the troop level was going to be if it was agreed upon. Romney was completely right in what he said and Obama is a complete liar.

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BAGHDAD — Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. arrived here on Tuesday for a visit meant to inaugurate a new relationship between the United States and Iraq, just weeks before the last American troops are scheduled to leave the country.

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Landing after nightfall in a military transport plane, a mode of arrival that American officials hope will soon seem like a relic of a distant era, Mr. Biden came with an agenda that included new areas of cooperation in trade and diplomacy, as well as traditional security concerns.

Mr. Biden’s unannounced trip to Iraq is laden with symbolism — a farewell to arms, but also a call for two countries linked by bloodshed to begin dealing with each other in the normal language of diplomacy.

His agenda includes obligatory meetings with Iraqi officials and the U.S.-Iraq Higher Coordinating Committee, a panel set up to steer the relationship; Mr. Biden will lead the committee meeting on Wednesday, along with Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

But it is the pageantry of the visit that will capture the most attention. On behalf of President Obama, Mr. Biden is scheduled to take part in a solemn ceremony thanking American service members for their sacrifices and saluting the Iraqi troops now responsible for safeguarding their nation’s security.

“It’s good to be back for this purpose,” Mr. Biden said to reporters before a briefing from the American ambassador, James F. Jeffrey, and the military commander, Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III. The visit is Mr. Biden’s seventh as vice president and 16th over all; he said General Austin had told him that by now he was eligible for Iraqi citizenship.

It is also a personal coda of sorts. Mr. Biden has staked out a position as an influential voice on Iraq policy, cultivating close relationships with Iraqi political leaders. He developed a seemingly encyclopedic knowledge of Iraq’s tribal politics and speaks with relish about its tangled feuds and rivalries.

Mr. Obama handed Mr. Biden the Iraq portfolio in early 2009, a move that raised eyebrows because Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton seemed the more obvious candidate for the assignment. At that time, Mr. Biden’s son Joseph R. Biden III, known as Beau, was serving in Iraq with the Delaware National Guard.

Mr. Biden will confront a number of politically volatile issues while he is here. Exxon recently signed an oil-exploration deal with the Kurdish authorities in northern Iraq that enraged the central government, which has threatened to impose sanctions against it. Officials said the Obama administration was irritated by Exxon’s haste in making the deal, but did not interfere with the negotiations.

There are also renewed worries that Iran will try to destabilize Iraq after the Americans leave — a threat that administration officials acknowledge, though they argue that few Iraqis, Sunni or Shiite, have any desire to be dominated by their neighbor.

Fears about security have risen in recent days after a series of insurgent attacks left about 50 people dead in Baghdad, Basra and elsewhere. On Monday, a taxi loaded with explosives blew up in front of a prison here, killing at least 13 people. Ambassador Jeffrey said on Sunday that there was a “good possibility” that two other recent bombings had been carried out by Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Mr. Biden’s itinerary is cloaked in heavy security. Only his later stops in Turkey and Greece were announced ahead of time. In Turkey, the vice president is expected to discuss Iraq, officials said, and the upheaval in neighboring Syria. In Greece, he is likely to offer solidarity, if not any fresh American aid, to help the Greeks stabilize their public finances.

After the final troop withdrawals announced by the president last month are complete, only a vestigial presence of American military liaison officers, embassy guards and security contractors will be left, most of them working at the embassy complex on the banks of the Tigris River.

It is not quite the fade-out the administration had planned for: the Pentagon wanted to leave a residual force of 3,000 to 5,000 troops after 2011 to help train Iraqi soldiers. But when the two sides were unable to work out an agreement to guarantee American troops legal immunity in Iraq, the administration refused to commit to an extended deployment.

For Mr. Maliki, the political imperative of ending what many view as an American occupation apparently outweighed any security benefits of leaving a residual force in place. For Mr. Obama, the image of soldiers leaving Iraq is politically resonant, fulfilling a pledge he made as a candidate in 2008 to end the war.

Next year, after the withdrawal is complete, officials said, the United States and Iraq are likely to resume negotiations for a small American force that would train Iraqi officers, manage border tensions with the Kurds and help with counterterrorism.

Indeed, the basic theme of Mr. Biden’s visit is that the United States is not leaving Iraq behind. In addition to a diplomatic presence here, America will maintain a military footprint throughout the Persian Gulf region.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: November 29, 2011

An earlier version of this article incorrectly described remarks by Ambassador James F. Jeffrey, the American ambassador to Iraq. Mr. Jeffrey said on Sunday that there was a “good possibility” that two recent bombings had been carried out by Al Qaeda in Iraq. He was not referring to a bomb that exploded outside a prison on Monday.

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“1/2 of the country might float up and then it would be all down-hill to California, or visa-versa.”

but think of the gas that would be saved on the cars and trucks driving down hill!

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“Does the supreme leader even know what a boat is?”

He knows what “Ships that go under the water” are, I think.

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Fix me a sammich while you’re at it.

A sammich? Are you another one of those poor guys who missed out on the 25 cent Krystals?

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“Does the supreme leader even know what a boat is?”

Does he know how to pronounce Navy corpsman?

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Aquagirl,

Yeah. There is not a krystal out here in the kountree so I can’t get one unless I burn a lot of carbon gasses going to the city. And that would just piss off Al Gore. And besides my speedos are pretty tight these days. Doomy don’t need no Krystals as good as they are. If cool hand Luke could eat fiddy eggs I could probably eat 20 Krystals. Too bad it taint gonna happen.

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“Either that or as that Democrat Hank Johnson warned it could capsize the island of Guam.”

Cynthia’s replacement. Shazzam!

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Biden forgets what state he’s in once again today. While physically campaigning in Ohio old Joe talks about being in Iowa. A heart beat away from the president.

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How many Krystals at one sitting…I ate 32…

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“How many Krystals at one sitting…I ate 32…”

Bet you were sailing past the moon and starts before that appetite hit you

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stars

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Seems like Republicans always have to rebuild the military after a Democrat administration.

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How many Krystals at one sitting…I ate 32…

I am so glad I’m not a man and don’t feel compelled to do such things.

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Barack Obama
60.4%

Mitt Romney
39.6%

Intrade.

Put your money where your mouth is.

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They finally nabbed that horrid mystery monkey in Florida. I hate mystery monkeys.

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Seen a lot of bets proffered lately, how about this one?

I bet a $100 that if Obama wins the election (which I have always expected that he would) getalife will gloat a little.

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Now I have to google Florida Mystery Monkey. What kind of targeted ads will that yield?

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I hate mystery monkeys.

Bigot!

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josef,

32 Krystal will give you a heart attack

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C’mon getalife!

You can eat 33!

Go for it homeboy.

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Good God! 32 krystals? Did you blow up like the blueberry girl on Willy wonkas chocolate factory and have to be de squeezed?

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Seems like Republicans always have to rebuild the military after a Democrat administration.

And Democrats always have to downsize the government after a Republican administration.

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Us too, get, but we were stuffed with mixed drinks and beer.

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Zito vs Verlander.

Probably a low scoring game .

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Aqua girl

II was in a contest with two females, for the record, and she who ate 34 won…so, there, Miss Priss.

Getalife
Well, I won’t say it wasn’t a contributing factor…

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getalife is an enigma.

I think he is the “Bizzaro” of liberals.

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“Regardless of who wins, the gloating will be excessive.”

Disagree ………. if Romney wins we will be so relieved that the Republic has been spared.

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scout,

I still like you.

You are funny.

Foxy Lady will be very happy if our President wins.

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Bman

I’m partial to Anderson Cooper, too…

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0bama is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

“They will legalize weed.”

That explains a lot.

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Don’t Tread

Or a passenger sliding window on a jet, right?

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I’m partial to Robin Meade.

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Who is going to leave the country?

Folks from both sides always say that, but Rush and the movie stars are still here………

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Verlander composes himself on the mound by reminding himself that he is banging Kate Upton.

Heh, heh, heh.

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Mitt Romney has a former Navy chief on his advisory staff, a relic from the Reagan administration. The plan is to retire and replace seven nuclear aircraft carriers. The oldest, the Enterprise, was commissioned in 1961. This is a BIG Money investment, to the tune of Billions of Dollars. Warfare and National security have changed dramatically since Reagan’s term in office. Maybe Mitt needs to rethink his position.

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“Maybe Mitt needs to rethink his position.”

He will in a couple hours and change it.

mitt is like the invisible hand man,

Now you see his position and now your don’t.

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All this Navy talk. We need a sound track!

http://youtu.be/InBXu-iY7cw

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As well, Jay was refering to the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. Norfolk, Virginia Beach, etc. In addition to Newport News Shipbuilding, BAE Systems, Lockhead-Martin, Northrup-Grummon, and a host of smaller contractors. The Military contract biz is a big fat cow with lots of milk. There are plenty of hungry calves.

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“I really believe “getalife” is “Bizarro Bookman”.

He can’t be for real.”

I am real and I am not Jay.

Too funny

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getalife:

I think you are !

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Aqua girl

North State Street, Jackson, Mississippi…what kind of life form? Radical leftwing lesbian separatist became an Ivy League graduate civil rights lawyer woman

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G mare,

If Romney is elected what specific rights do you honestly think are going to be rolled back? Abortion, the right to vote? Which one?

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Scout: Whoops. I never have an original thought.

Then let’s go with the josef version:

http://youtu.be/MTwq1_9VH68

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Thulsa:

“If Romney is elected what specific rights do you honestly think are going to be rolled back? Abortion, the right to vote? Which one?”

I have one ………. the right to destroy this Republic !

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Romney issued the ship strength position statement 6 days before the debate, giving the high school led Obama campaign ample time to generate a “zinger.” Romney held Obama’s hand as the former community organizer cut his own throat in the debate, plunging it mortally deep in tune with Barry’s condescending retort. Virginia, oh how we LOVE YA! Note to Barry: Don’t challenge a chess master when all you’ve accomplished to date is winning neighborhood checkers matches. Interestingly enough, Mr. President has directed Defense Contractors (required by the WARN act to tell their employees that the current budget requires them to layoff employees Jan. 1) to illegally ignore the law, and assured these companies that Taxpayers will pickup the tab for any resulting litigation. SWEEET.

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godless heathen:

Sorry ………. go back and look ….. I listed that as the “second version” …………….

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Gmare

Best thoughts for ya tomorrow…

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“scout,

I am getalife not Jay.

Time for your meds.”

That’s o.k. Jay ……………… we are on to you !

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Good, Fred.

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playing,

You are giddy about wasting your money.

Weird?

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I am confined to this pos apple thing for now

Back shortly.

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Scout,

When I ask that question I usually get either silence or some nonsense about roe v wade. And that imdo will never be overturned. Republicans really don’t want it overturned because they would lose 10 20% of their voters. Its just lip service to the evangelical wing. I believe that in a twist of machiavellian politics that r leaders are cool with it being legal and that some people vote r secure in their knowledge that it will not be overturned.

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godless,

Sorry to hear that.

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LOL betty, thta’s enough to drive ANYONE crazy. Although, truth be told, I’m finally getting to appreciate my Ipad (1 not 2). I still don’t post here on it though. I don’t have the app lol.

Oh well, just stopped in for a drive by, i have dishes to wash (damn dishwasher broke). Ya’ll have fun. Wish there was a football game or something on thta I could watch while I wash all these damn dishes and pots and pans…… better yet, I wish someone would come over and wash them for me lol.

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Carney: ‘Everyone’ Knew About Terrorist Claims ‘Instantaneously’

Today, at the White House press gaggle, Jay Carney was asked one – really, just one – question about the emails regarding the terrorist attack in Benghazi. Those emails, to refresh, showed that within two hours of the attacks, the White House had been informed that the action on the ground was a terrorist attack. There was no mention of a YouTube video or a spontaneous demonstration in the emails.

Carney acknowledged today not only that the White House knew, but that it knew “instantaneously”:

The email you’re referring to was an open-source, unclassified email referring to an assertion made on a social media site that everyone in this room had access to and knew about instantaneously.

Instantaneously. Yet the Obama administration claimed for weeks that they were giving Americans the best available information.

Anymore questions or you going to continue to defend the indefensible? Just wondering…

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Yo DowninAlbany: So Was Barack supposed to grab an M60, teleport himself down to Libya and go all Rambo on them there terrorists?

Do you realize how stupid you sound to everyone who is NOT a Rush Limbaugh lamb?

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Thulsa Doom

October 24th, 2012
9:04 pm

Fred,

You got proof of Steve beating his wife have ya?
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I don’t need proof, I need him to answer the damn question. I’m playing by HIS rules. Hell, he may not even be married. Doesn’t matter. He throws out stupid assed “questions” thens demands everyone to answer them even though they are fabricated lies. Why should he have a different standard than me?

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that imdo will never be overturned. Republicans really don’t want it overturned because they would lose 10 20% of their voters.

Posters whine about activist judges and then claim that judges should be making decisions based on voter impact. Incredibly silly.

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Het Doomy: Is it time for President Obama to order printer cartridges for the South Dakota US Marshal’s office? I know that if they run out it will be Obama’s fault since “The buck stops with him”

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“lose 10 20% of their voters.”

Failed party first is really silly.

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Sorry to hear that.

Thanks get. People are hurting out here. 5+ years and a lot of people aren’t seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. If you did the right things and planned for the rainy days you make it ok – unless it rains for 5 years and then the roof collapses.

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DownInAlbany :

P.S. And don’t forget all United States issued infantry rifles still have bayonet lugs …………..

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Yeah Down in Albany; Since YOU are the military expert and you said Obama wasn’t supposed to grab an M60 and teleport himself, just what in the hell was he supposed to do?

He’s as culpable for Libya as Bush was for Katrina. The only difference is that I’m not a complete f’ing idiot party brainwashed fool and I can see that………..

Only you total brain dead Rushbots are toting this mail. Real people with real brains know the truth.

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“O on anything.”

He said it stopped with him.

Clean out your earhole con.

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DownInAlbany

October 24th, 2012
9:12 pm

No, Fred, the buck doesn’t stop with O on anything. We all know that.
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Sure it does. Hell, it’s even his fault that you aren’t too bright. If Romney was in office then you wouldn’t post the stupid assed lies that you post I suppose……….

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Doesn’t anybody want to watch the World Series?

http://youtu.be/46573pFR2kI

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Thulsa Doom

October 24th, 2012
9:14 pm

fred,

Is this the same Steve that you saw fit to chastise over something that Jay took care of and which wasn’t none of yo damn bidness?
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Once again you have no clue as to what you are talking about. In short, the answer is no. But to clarify; The ‘other Steve” posted that he had pictures of himself having sex with Keeps wife, “both on top and below.” Jay NEVER took care of it. THAT Steve sad he was sorry for calling someone an ass hole I think, but NOT for his disgusting attacks on Keeps family.

Get your damn facts straight Doomy before you try to chastise me please.

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What, exactly, are thes stupid assed lies that you speak of? Be specific.

I posted a QUOTE from Obama front-man Jay Carney and I get called a stupid, terrorist sympathizer. You folks are HIlarious!

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And for 47th time today Fred plays the tired old you’re all rushbot, boortzbot, hannitybot mindless fools if you disagree with my liberal loon crappola card.

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Only you total brain dead Rushbots are toting this mail. Real people with real brains know the truth

The TRUTH? YOU can’t handle the truth…even when I quote Jay Carney!

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Government keeps suing the banks over and over again

Rong.
There’s thousands of unconvicted fraudster/bankers.
Watch/listen to interviews with Wm. K. Smith, investigator during S&L crisis, 1980’s.

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albany,

Start attacking the local militia that attacked instead of our President and I will not have to stoop down to your level.

Got it ?

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Every time I see Barry on TV now, I hear Taps playing in the background. Such a sweet sound.

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