Tracing the local origins of the vote-fraud myth

Truthout

Was it sfd, byteme, or keep that posted that earlier? I don’t recall….

What nonsense from the lib goobers.

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If we outlaw breathalyzers we can stamp out DUI.

Awesome

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Come on Jay! You didn’t look/do THAT badly in your web debate with Kyle.

But we noticed you took it down awfully quick!

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You want a picture, take it when they vote.

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If cops patrol, they don’t need radar.

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Rasmussen: ROMNEY 50%… Obama 46%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

In case you didn’t like Gallup. We give you a choice!

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Was it sfd, byteme, or keep that posted that earlier?

Not me. First I heard of it. I’m in tech, so the individual machines bother me less than the software used to collect the data from the machines. If you’re going to do massive vote fraud, that’s where you’d want to do it, not at the individual machine level. On the other hand, the government-led purging of voter rolls, like they tried in Florida with nearly a million people is a bigger problem.

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“So Ben give us your estimate of how many past elections were false”

I’m more concerned about future elections, given the enormous number of illegal voters/undocumented Democrats now living within our borders.

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I think the voter suppression that is entirely legal (apparently, unless our SCOTUS ever decides to grow a freakin’ pair) and ongoing is plenty scandalous enough.

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It’s a felony to commit voter fraud… and to what end. How many people would have to make a deliberate coordinated concerted effort in each of numerous voting districts in order to effect a change. Realistically it would be much easier to cheat voters via the techniques that the Republicans have been using. Republicans will do anything for a buck, er, um, I mean, for a vote.

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They get bitter, and they cling to guns, religion, focus groups and provably sketchy national polls.

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USMC. please tell us the Romney economic plan if you will.

Thank you !

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Team Obama: N.C. gone. Is Virginia next?
http://washingtonexaminer.com/team-obama-n.c.-gone.-is-va.-next/article/2511495#.UIbzosXA_VW

RETREAT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fgDxAASI_c

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Peter. please tell us the Obama economic plan if you will.

Thank you !

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I protest any attempt to enforce the laws in those two areas, and label any such attempt to be racist, disenfranchisement, etc.

So much failure in so little time.

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Well – if there is no voter fraud that would gain you favor, why do you so angrily oppose honesty in voting?

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Gallup has Romney up 51-46? No wonder Obama looked so mad last night and was losing his composure. Looks like the wheels are coming off the Obama campaign. Desperation time for the kooks.

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USMC…….. As most realize there is no plan in place by Romney just talking points, and baloney, that you are all excited about !

I wouldn’t get too excited about the Romney party just yet….. he will not win the election.

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if there is no voter fraud that would gain you favor, why do you so angrily oppose honesty in voting?

Because
#1 There IS fraud in the electoral process; however

#2 The laws being enacted by the GOP don’t do a damn thing to curtail that fraud. They actually turn a blind eye to the actual fraud to go out “ghostbusting” fraud that’s almost nonexistent.

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“Saw today where 1/3 of all poor people will vote for Romney anyway”

Guess they don’t want to remian poor.

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“Brocephus and Regnad prove my assertions.

Thanks guys.”

Dang – and it was my own durn fault for feeding the troll…

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“The laws being enacted by the GOP don’t do a damn thing to curtail that fraud. They actually turn a blind eye to the actual fraud to go out “ghostbusting” fraud that’s almost nonexistent.”

Speaking of making s__t up and attacking straw men………….

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How do they get a job without 2 forms of ID including a photo id?

Who says that retired people need jobs?

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“Still, I’m sorry to have to cut short your adoration of my performance with this latest distraction. Duty is duty.”–JAY

Actually Jay, I enjoyed listening to both you and Kyle. It reminded me that I enjoy listening to your viewpoint, like at your Real State of the Union, even though I completely disagree with your politics. You are great in person, and it enables me to learn as a person.
(even though I snipe at you a bit)

BTW, that Halloween parade in Little 5 points last weekend was amazing!

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“USMC has ADD.”–Byteme got ilk

Byteme continues to wage WAR on SUCCESSFUL people, Doers!

Watch out or we will sue you for discrimination!

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Mr. Bookman,

I read about the Rmoney family’s voting-machine investment ties in Forbes. Is that considered a tabloid now? Thanks for the head’s up.

BTW, a software application that generates reports can be programmed to generate any output the programmer wants it to. All that’s required is an embedded script that circumvents a portion of the input criteria. Unless the source code is available for independent analysis, we have no way of knowing whether, when, or where that is happening.

(FYI: This scenario — as unlikely as it might seem to non-IT personnel — is far more plausible than someone having a baby in Africa and placing a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper the next day, in preparation for duping the America people into electing a foreigner 40+ years later. Just sayin’.)

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PETER…….. As most realize there is no plan in place by OBAMA just talking points, and baloney, that you are all excited about! Trickle Down Government has proven NOT to work.

I wouldn’t get too excited about the OBAMA party just yet….. he will not win the election.

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Ben – There is no voter fraud, because we don’t allow checking ID at the polls,

I have always been asked for an ID at the polls

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“You made the assertions. You prove them”

Right back at ya, big guy. Start with these two…………..

“#1 There IS fraud in the electoral process; however”

“#2 The laws being enacted by the GOP don’t do a damn thing to curtail that fraud. They actually turn a blind eye to the actual fraud to go out “ghostbusting” fraud that’s almost nonexistent.”

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BREAKING NEWS!

Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/debates-deliver-favorability-edge-romney/

Last night, one candidate looked PRESIDENTIAL and the other…. looked JUVENILE.

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“Just for you, not that I think you’ll read this because there are no pretty pictures drawn with crayons….”

Like I said, name-calling and ad hominem attacks…

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You better call your buddy Obama and tell him. He obviously didn’t get the memo today. He’s letting the UN come monitor our election sites for voter fraud.

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Like I said, name-calling and ad hominem attacks…

Whasssamatta, can’t deal with it when your little internet bully crap is thrown back at ya??? Put your big boy pants on for once. Geez!!

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Brocephus…you’re boring. Go away. Tinkerbell? Really? That’s what passes for intellectualism at your house?

LMAO

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“Yeah, sorry I missed it this year. Was attending a young person’s funeral, which is NOT a pleasant place to be. Heart-breaking.”–JAY

I am truly sorry to hear that, Jay. It makes you think about how precious life is and how we often overlook how wonderful life really is and take things for granted.

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Keep abotion legal, it trims the dems voter rolls!!!

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Brocephus is so concerned about illegal voting that he’s willing to go to any lengths to enable it.

LMAO

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RB

How much is your scenario taking place? And when the rightful person goes to vote, why are we not hearing he or she was denied because someone else already used their name?

You posted the same exact bs awhile back and was unable to provide evidence of what you assert.

Something changed

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RB

But it does sound good and if it makes you feel good to believe it…… rock on dude

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RIP cuz.

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Jay

The blaze, newsmax, moonie times and wnd said it is occurring and is rampant, so it has to be………

Did I miss any other outlets?

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Thulsa Doom Where does the money come from to build the new navy ships ?

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Doom

I didn’t state it was wide reaching. My point is, you’re looking at the problem from YOUR personal perspective. You signal that by adding your personal testimony. That said, you don’t know the situation of most or even a significant part of the people with no ID. Do you think someone with Downs Syndrome will have a photo ID if they’ve never worked, never driven, and mom/dad takes care of them? If they’re over the age of 18, they are still entitled to vote.

I understand your point about the ID, and most people should possess at least one photo ID. My major problems with the ID laws is that:

#1 They don’t address absentee ballot identification.

#2 They vary, from state to state, in what constitutes a valid ID.

If the laws were consistent and covered ALL forms of voting, including the registration process, I would back the laws 100%.

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Brocephus…you’re boring. Go away. Tinkerbell? Really? That’s what passes for intellectualism at your house?

Nope, Shirley, that doesn’t pass for anything here other than me having fun with you. I still see you haven’t said anything about the proof I posted for you, nor have you provided an electron of proof to back up your assertions. What gives? Cat’s got your tongue or something?

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“Ben, you were trapped in your own example and made a fool of yourself.”

what color is the sky in your world, Jay?

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Brocephus @ 4:17

too long, didn’t read, thanks for playing though

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USMC … Obama saved us from going into a depression….. a result of Republican Spending and actions.

Most folks do know that.

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“Ben, you cannot be as dim in real life as you pretend to be here.”

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing anout you, Brocephus, and getalife

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“what color is the sky in your world, Jay?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5huSHqkjQvs

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To the snaky aircraft carrier person. That wasn’t snaky, it’s the truth. One modern ship has the capabilities of a fleet of WW1 or WW2 ships. And even Saint Ron “wanted” a 300 ship Navy but never got it. As retired Navy I think we need to cut 2 AF fighter wings and build 2 more carrier battle groups. But I’m not in congress. Willard looked completely outclassed when he tried to compare modern weapons and weapon systems to the past. But he got “Obamanized”. Waxed by Obama. Experience counts and Willard is laking.

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too long, didn’t read, thanks for playing though

Typical conservative. If it’s more than 3 sentences or not written in crayon, you can’t deal with it. LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

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Jay

I think he’s even more dim in real life if you ask me.

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“I think he’s even more dim in real life if you ask me.”

In real life you’d be parking my car and bagging up my to-go order.

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Jay

Draw it out in crayon. That might help him out more.

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“Is that simple enough for the dim-bulb persona you project here?”

Most conservates (probably ALL conservatives) are outraged about drivers licenses for illegals. I posted that by way of proving the lengths to which liberals willgo to get illegals on the dole and then get them voting (D)

Thanks for playing though.

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In real life you’d be parking my car and bagging up my to-go order.

Yeah right. Like I’m actually going to park your Power Wheels and put your GI Joe’s in a bag for you.

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“You keep bringing up the exception and not the norm.”

Sort of like documented cases of voter fraud as opposed to the hype and hysteria that some on the right portray………. right?

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Funny how libs view the six-figure-income guys like me who pay their own bills in life as the dimbulbs, and the welfare queens, foodstamp recipients, and non-bathing-occupiers as the “enlightened.”

Funny stuff…..

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Doom

You keep talking about the exception, but you have no idea or proof of what the exception is vs the norm. You’re assuming just as much as I am. We don’t know the truth. We can only assume. That’s the point I’m trying to get across to you.

As I said, if the laws are consistent and cover 100% of the voting process, I’m all for it. If they are to remain as they are now, we’re better off dipping our fingers in ink. It’s sad that a low tech country can have better elections than we can. That should be embarassing to us all.

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Thulsa

Is that what the Joint Chiefs and the top admirals in the Navy are saying?

Maybe they are, I don’t know that answer.

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“Republicans also think the earth is 9000 years old. They learned so much in their faith-based classes. None of which can be challenged by the way since it is all based on faith. Voter ID fraud is yet another prime example of the Republican faith-based education. As is their belief in global cooling. And a woman’s ability to just turn off that little baby making function at will in order to prevent a pregnancy. Share more of your Grimm’s Fairly Odd Tales with us, cons. ”

Be careful…Brocephus HATES people who attack straw men.

Your hatred of Christians is duly noted though, and we thank you for your honesty.

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Taxpayer…

Your commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, professes to be a Christian, has attended Christian churches all his life, and has publicly stated that he accepts Jesus Christ as his savior. Is he just a stupid fairy tale believer like all the other Christians you mock?

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RWT

Most who brag about what they make are very insecure or do not make what they claim but say they do because they are very insecure……………

Yes there is a common theme there

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The economy in Central Ohio, the swingingest part of the biggest swing state is improving with unemployment down to 5.7%. Don’t tell Jack Welch or Donald Trump or they will blow a gasket.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2012/10/23/regional-unemployment-september-central-ohio.html

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Ben’s six-figure income:

$1000.00

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Thulsa

And it exists on a grand scale because you and other on the right says it does?

If it even half as bad as many on the right claim, how do Republicans win any elections?

Is there a conspiracy on the part of the Democrats to win some and lose some so it doesn’t look so obvious?

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Be careful…Brocephus HATES people who attack straw men.

Nah, I don’t HATE anybody. I’m just enjoying exposing you for the intellectually dysfunctional fraud that you are. Anybody with a six-figure income knows how to google something to find at least one example to back their assertions.

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Ben,

Our president Obama is a Muslim from Kenya with no birth certificate. Keep the faith-based larning ALIVE! By the way, he also supports abortion and gay marriage. And he’s a s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t.

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Brocephus,

Perhaps as you say its a difference in opinion of what the norm is regarding having ID. I can understand very elderly and in particular minority elderly people not having photo id. And I’m talking very elderly as in 80s or 90s. But for people between 18 and retirement age of 65-70 to be walking around not needing or wanting photo id is simply ridiculous. What manner of an idiot goes through life without a photo id for banking, employment,driving, etc.? Are they all planning on working for a family friend who won’t require a photo id? Perhaps I’m just not as easygoing about that level of ignorance and people putting themselves volutarily at that kind of self disadvantage in terms of employment and future.

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Voter fraud is also damn near impossible to prove on the spot.

In person voting fraud may be proven in a number of ways. Proving it “on the spot” is not a requirement for criminal prosecution. It takes a lot of information. If it means voting more than once (and not some claim of a non-citizen voting), knowing a voter name who is registered, who has not voted already, where they vote, having address information to match voter rolls, etc. Not to mention that others may know that “person” and that cameras may capture you in the area.

But again, silly person, you have to have sufficient “in person voting” to impact an election. In most situations that requires hundreds, if not thousands of votes, for local elections.

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At least Republican thinking is somewhat consistent. Maybe they make laws regarding non-existent voting fraud for the same reason they show up to wash clean dishes at homeless shelters.

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gm

Oh, and just what makes a “true Georgia idiot?” And besides, unless I’ve missed something along the way. I think, I’m not sure, that USMC is a Carpetbagging agent of Yankee imperialism…

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So much for the right wing nuts saying young people are not excited and not comming out for Obama, notice the far right are quiet now? they see the lines of young people around the country waiting in line to vote for Obama.

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Have you ever noticed? Whenever Ben “L’s his AO”, it means he just posted something he knows is a lie. Check some previous posts – you’ll see the pattern right away…

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“Gambling is a sin Ben”

It’s not gambling. I know the outcome.

The silence is deafening.

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“It’s not about being easygoing either. I have lots of family and friends who come from rural areas, and the way they live is completely foreign to people who live in urban or suburban areas.”

Yep, locking their doors and hiding under the bed is not the way they live out there past the burbs…

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Regnad

Are you saying that Ben really means Lying MAO?

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I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it for me to get rid of everything, but my house and car. How much would i get monthly if i took complete and full advantage of the system?

Nothing wrong with laying low for the next 4 years

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josef: I don’t share a bed, blanket, bathroom or bankbook with you.

In conned minds, being homosexual would mean that obviously you have a desire to share with anyone. It’s uncontrollable, don’t you know.

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“I believe that it exists on a very small scale. Very small. The problem is that in a very tight election- Franken vs Coleman in Minnesota or Gore v W that it may amount to the difference in the election. The vast majority of the time it will make no difference. But in a tight, tight election it can be the difference.”

Jiminy Crickets!!!

We’re literally standing by and watching a handful of billionaires buy/steal this election, and the wingnuts are all concerned about 100 votes nationwide?

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“Now we have a bunch of people doubting my earnings”

More like a bunch of people mocking you and your “earnings”…

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“In conned minds, being homosexual would mean that obviously you have a desire to share with anyone.”

Another stupid straw-man/ad hominem post.

Liberals are boring……

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Brocephus,

I understand what you’re saying but I live in a rural area. Everyone that I know has photo id. And anyone who drives a car which is automatically most of us adults have a photo id. Anyone who drives in Winston, AL. has a photo ID or is at least supposed to.

Anyway, we should at least do the purple ink thing. I see nothing embarrassing about it. Sometimes low tech solutions work better than anything.Besides purple is a cool color even if Crimson is cooler.

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Tulsa Doom @ 4:27:

One of our Carrier Battle Groups has more firepower/capabilities than any other Navy, including England, Russia and China and we have 10. As retired Navy I’d like for see 12. I’d also like to see a balanced budget, health care for everyone, no crime and free education. But as I’ve said I’m not in Congress.

The President has no control, other than the veto, over Congress. So our Navy (Army, AF et all) are what Congress wants. Willard knew that when he issued the challenge. I think he got “Obamanized”, you don’t. Neither will get a 300 ship Navy or a 20 Fighter Wing AF or a 1,000,000 man Army in this economy w/o raising taxed. You want a more powerful military? Get rid of Grover Noequist!

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gm

I am a left leaner in this red state. Grew up here. Sorry to break your heart, go to up state New York, rural MI or a few hours north of San Francisco. They have folks who will fit any stereotype that you have of the south…………. minus the accent.

And at the end of the day, if you live here in GA, are you being made to stay here?

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“In my experience, income level is NOT an accurate gauge of intelligence”

Of course, liberals think it’s an indicator of oppression and racism.

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Funny how libs will spend untold millions fighting voter ID laws, but won’t spend one dime or lift one finger to help any of the supposedly “disenfranchised” go get a free ID.

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i love the smell of unhinged con in margaritaville (its 5 oclock somewhere)

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Doom, in your density, you spew nonsense. It has been demonstrated that lawful US Citizens are being denied the right to vote. Your speedos must be too tight for you to think.

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“To believe the conservative theorists, you have to be willing to believe that it is possible to recruit a large number of people ”

You can barely get people to vote legitimately in this nation…to think that there is the vast group of people voting illegally is simply moronic.

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“It’s just a question of what you happen to put value on.”

Maybe the poor have a values problem.

Be careful Jay, you might be a con

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ben is broke because people with money don’t brag about it or they get robbed.

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Pizzaman,

Enough with the retired Navy bit. I also am ex Navy so I happen to know a little bit about Naval warfare myself. And apparently you haven’t been keeping up with things. China is working on a carrier killer missile that could conceivably take out a carrier and take away all that firepower that you speak of. So you’re no more of an armchair admiral than myself or anyone else on here if you didn’t know that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deploying-carrier-sinking-ballistic-missile/

But I will tell you one thing I know about the Navy that Obama doesn’t know as commander in chief. I know how what the hell a Navy corpsman is. And I know he is not a corpse man.

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Below is a real origin of Democrat fraud that happened well before the one cited here. In this case there is real evedence of voter fraud although the conclusions may be faulty. Copied from Wikipedia for the enlightenment of those too young to remember when JFK may have stolen his election. ThIs contaons real not myth based examples.

Many Republicans (including Nixon and Eisenhower) believed that Kennedy had benefited from vote fraud, especially in Texas, where Kennedy’s running mate Lyndon B. Johnson was Senator, and Illinois, home of Mayor Richard Daley’s powerful Chicago political machine.[25] These two states are important because if Nixon had carried both, he would have won the election in the Electoral College. Republican Senators such as Everett Dirksen and Barry Goldwater also believed that vote fraud played a role in the election,[24] and they believed that Nixon actually won the national popular vote. Republicans tried and failed to overturn the results in both these states at the time—as well as in nine other states.[30] Some journalists also later claimed that mobster Sam Giancana and his Chicago crime syndicate played a role in Kennedy’s victory in Illinois.[30]

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Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes out of 4.75 million cast, or a margin of 0.2%.[25] However, Nixon carried 92 of the state’s 101 counties, and Kennedy’s victory in Illinois came from the city of Chicago, where Mayor Richard J. Daley held back much of Chicago’s vote until the late morning hours of November 9. The efforts of Daley and the powerful Chicago Democratic organization gave Kennedy an extraordinary Cook County victory margin of 450,000 votes—more than 10% of Chicago’s 1960 population of 3.55 million,[In Texas, Kennedy defeated Nixon by a narrow 51% to 49% margin, or 46,000 votes.[25] Some Republicans argued that Johnson’s formidable political machine had stolen enough votes in counties along the Mexican border to give Kennedy the victory. Kennedy’s defenders, such as his speechwriter and special assistant Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., have argued that Kennedy’s margin in Texas (46,000 votes) was simply too large for vote fraud to have been a decisive factor, although cases of voter fraud were discovered there. For example, Fannin County had only 4,895 registered voters, yet 6,138 votes were cast in that county, three-quarters for Kennedy.[24] In an Angelina County precinct, Kennedy received a higher number of votes than the total number of registered voters in the precinct.[24] When Republicans demanded a statewide recount, they learned that the state Board of Elections, whose members were all Democrats, had already certified Kennedy as the official winner in Texas.[24]

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They BOTH

That’s why I’m not good politician material, because I’d tell them to go somewhere and screw themselves to sleep.

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RB

So if what you are saying is rampant, you actually believe that the person stealing the mail is always voting before the person who has had is mail (id) stolen?

I doubt that your scenario is viable enough to throw elections, but if it makes you feel good about yourself to think it does……… rock on dude

Last time you brought up this phony BS, you said it in a general sense of people stealing info from other’s mailbox.
Today it is your neighbor…………

Stay consistent my friend……….

Either way it is bs

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“Doom, in your density, you spew nonsense”- keep up

The ironical one speaks.

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No, but it’s an indicator of attitude and work ethic.

Quick, someone Madoff with Ben’s common sense too!

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“I’ll take that as further confirmation that you have no evidence whatsoever”

I think Might Righty already gave you a nice big fact wedgie on that one, JB.

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Howdy Paul,

“You know, BUSH?”

Not for a very long time.

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Thulsa

I could have missed it, but are the Joint Chiefs and top Navy admirals requesting anything close to what you are implying.

I know you served in the Navy. Thanks for your service, but did your job in the Navy numerous years ago qualify you to make assessments in terms of Navy requirements today?

Top brass might be calling for it, but just because Romney or whomever says it, doesn’t make it so. Of course if the top brass is saying it is so, it could be a valid issue.

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“USMC … Obama saved us from going into a depression….. a result of Republican Spending and actions.”–Peter

not intended to be factual statement…

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Paul

I feel like having a bit of fun today and turning the table on the blog bullies. You’ll note that the challenge I was given was met with evidence, yet my challenge went unanswered. People love the attention but hate it when they’re beat at their own game.

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Jay

I’ll take that as further confirmation that you have no evidence whatsoever.

He acknowledged that when he refused to read the link I gave him. Had he bothered to do that, he could have easily found this case here.

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2010-06-24/story/2-camden-county-registrars-office-employees-suspended

Ms. Crews ended up paying a $300 fine in that case.

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jewcowboy

C’est très gauche….un paysan, je te dis…

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From the Washington Post…

Maryland Democrat quits congressional race amid vote fraud allegations
By Ben Pershing
This post has been updated

A Maryland Democratic candidate quit her congressional race Monday after her own party told state officials that she had committed fraud by voting in both Maryland and Florida in recent elections.

Wendy Rosen, a small-business owner running against freshman Rep. Andy Harris (R) in the Eastern Shore-based 1st Congressional District, released a statement saying that “with great regret, and much sorrow” she was resigning from the contest.

“Personal issues have made this the hardest decision that I have had to make,” Rosen said

Rosen’s announcement came the same day the state Democratic party released a letter to state Attorney General Douglas Gansler and state prosecutors reporting the allegations against Rosen.

“The Maryland Democratic Party has discovered that Ms. Rosen has been registered to vote in both Florida and Maryland since at least 2006; that she in fact voted in the 2006 general election both in Florida and Maryland; and that she voted in the presidential preference primaries held in both Florida and Maryland in 2008,” wrote Yvette Lewis, the state party chair. “This information is based on an examination of the voter files from both states. We believe that this is a clear violation of Maryland law and urge the appropriate office to conduct a full investigation.”

A senior Maryland Democrat said the party had been tipped off this weekend by someone within the party about Rosen’s potential issue. After checking the allegation, the party contacted Rosen on Monday morning and urged her to quit.

Local Democratic committees in the 1st district will now meet and vote on a new candidate to replace Rosen on the ballot. The new name must be submitted to the state by Sept. 27.

Regardless of his opponent, Harris is considered a safe bet for reelection. Though the 1st district was previously competitive — Democrat Frank Kratovil won the seat in 2008 before being ousted by Harris in 2010 — it was redrawn to be safer for Republicans after the 2010 Census.

Voter fraud has been a heated political issue, both in Maryland and across the country. Republicans have frequently accused Democrats of turning their backs on the practice, while Democrats say the GOP uses alleged fraud as a way to keep Democrats from the polls.

“If the Maryland Democrat Party is willing to push one of its own candidates out of the race due to voter fraud, I’m sure this means they will join us in an effort to purge the rolls across Maryland of illegal immigrants, the deceased, and those otherwise unqualified to vote,” said David Ferguson, executive director of the Maryland Republican Party. “It is a sad state of affairs that Democrat voters considered Wendy Rosen to be their model citizen for the First District and represent them on November’s ballot.”

As recently as Sunday, Rosen still believed her campaign was going full-speed ahead.

“My trip to Charlotte was incredible!” she wrote on her Facebook page. “I didn’t get a moment on the floor of the arena … I spent all of my time hunting for campaign support! Everyone was so helpful from Jan Schakowsky and Ben Cardin to all of the women’s groups, environmental groups, jewish organizations. I feel re-energized for this last 8 weeks! Forward, not Backward!”

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BEN

Not at all…discussing the orientation is kosher…discussing the details ain’t…discussing finances, economics, etc is fine, discussing the dollar and cents details at the personal level, ain’t…

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Doom

Biometrics do two things. It verifies people who are registered to vote. It can also be used to identify foreign nationals who are not eligible to vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-VISIT

Initially, only visitors who required a visa inserted in their passport were included in the US-VISIT program. However, since September 30, 2004, visitors eligible for the Visa Waiver Program have also been required to use the US-VISIT program. Beginning January 18, 2009, most non-U.S. citizens (including lawful permanent residents) are subject to US-VISIT requirements.[5]

The United States and Canada have special agreements for visa-free travel, and currently most Canadians are not subject to US-VISIT. U.S. citizens are not required to be digitally fingerscanned or photographed when they enter United States territory. The Department of State began issuing biometric passports to its citizens in 2006.

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“no one on the right has even attempted to offer hard evidence of voting fraud’s existence.”

See above.

Your move…..

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they both suck,

I see that you glossed over the fact that very possibly at least one U.S. presidential election could have been decided by fraud. One is enough for me.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P._White

In March 2011, White was indicted on seven felony counts including voter fraud, perjury and theft. He is charged with intentionally voting in the wrong precinct in the primary, continuing to serve on the Fishers council and drawing his salary after moving out of town, and lying about his address on a home loan.[7][8] He was released from a Hamilton County jail after posting a $10,000 bond.[5][9]

On February 23, Hamilton County Superior Court Judge Steven Nation sentenced White to one year of house arrest, 30 hours of community service and a $1,000 fine. Nation refused to downgrade White’s charges to misdemeanors, saying that his actions in the 2010 election were deliberate and therefore “violated the trust of the people.” The conviction ends any chance of White regaining office even if his appeal of Rosenberg’s ruling is successful.[20]

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Mighty Righty 5:01

I believe there’s a difference between recruiting street people to vote and having the local political machines (both parties) lose ballot boxes, forge ballots, etc.

Voter fraud is voter fraud, but how it occurred back in the days of Nixon and Humphrey (and earlier) is not what all these efforts are designed to ‘fix.’

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Thulsa

Fair enough. Voter fraud in 1960 if it makes you feel good about the issue is proof that it take place on a rampant scale every election…………………..

OK

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Brocephus,

If your biometrics solution works, is effective and cost effective not just for voting but for documenting illegals from legal guest workers and helping to expand and make the guest worker program more effective for us and for them then I’m cool with that.

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I did a little math. We have 5,248,095 voters in the state. To move the needle one percentage point would require 52,480.95 fraudulent votes. Just ONE point, so imagine the number it would take to majorly affect the outcome of the presidential election. That would be a monumental task that wouldn’t be worth the probable attention that would be drawn by a major shift in the election outcome. To me, that makes “voter fraud” a ruse that sounds good to the fear-mongers and means little in the end.

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I see that you glossed over the fact that very possibly at least one U.S. presidential election could have been decided by fraud. One is enough for me.

And it is more than enough for anyone. The sanctity of the vote should be protected but in a manner which actually denies legitimate voters the right to vote and not in such a limited manner that other more likely scenerios are not addressed. But your pout allows you to ignore the impact on those who’s votes you try to deny.

And Ben’s example of a person voting in 2 separate jurisdictions is NOT solved by requiring ID.

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jewcowboy

Oh, Ben may well have been brought up right…he just turned his back on it…I imagine Mama tried…

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Paul,

“True for many people here, given the level of frustration and need for attention, it would seem….”

Harsh!

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JCB, and for 52 years it really was not an issue…until they awoke to the concept that voter suppression may help them win elections.

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There is a correlation between IQ and financial success. Several studies have shown that.
There are of couse exceptions, but the correlation stands.

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Just that it can decide some important and very close elections and that having even one U.S. presidential election stolen is enough.

But changing outcomes by voter suppression is acceptable.

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“It might be too much to say that von Spakovsky singlehandedly created the mythology of voter fraud, but it clearly created him, serving as a hobbyhorse that he rode to prominence in conservative circles.”

Ah…the old children weren’t molested because it wasn’t reported argument. Typical nonsense from an unthinking liberal. The “mythology” Jay and his ilk want to create is that because fraud via impersonation is probably rare, voter fraud in general is rare.

=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/democrats-benefit-from-illegal-immigrants-voting_b_1418523.html

=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/selling-votes-is-common-type-of-election-fraud/2012/10/01/f8f5045a-071d-11e2-81ba-ffe35a7b6542_story.html

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Voter Fraud. IT DOES HAPPEN.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/24/12-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-georgia-election/

See.

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Okay, since Big Daddy wants us to get back to voter fraud. Been going on as long as we’ve been having elections. It’s a matter of degree, and compared to the Gilded Age or Tammany Hall, we’ve come a long way, Baby…

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I wonder what USMC thinks USMC means?

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“But changing outcomes by voter suppression is acceptable”-keep up the sorry fight

You’ll have to ask the Democrats keep. Cause it seems to me that 100 years or so of Democrat Jim Crow laws and poll taxes did plenty of suppression.

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Skip

You See Me Conned?

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jewcowboy

ohmygoodness… working at home I lose track of day of the week and what week and what month and all that…. but dang! josef is correct!

As usual…..

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BOTH

Unmentionable says the reason there’s so much reference to the 1960s on the blog is because most of us are in our second childhood…

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josef

You made it out of the first? What’s it been like?

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PAUL

Not all it’s cracked up to be…that’s why I’m going back where I came from before I DO turn into Helen Thomas…

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You’ll have to ask the Democrats keep. Cause it seems to me that 100 years or so of Democrat Jim Crow laws and poll taxes did plenty of suppression.

yes they did…and those conservatives are at it again. Which is also why the Voting Rights Act was adopted in the 1960’s. So, speedoboy, since you are so troubled by it when it occurred 100 years ago, why in all your overglorified claims of intelligence, are you willing to ignore it now when it has been demonstrated that actual in person voting fraud is so rare as to be essentially non-existent but the voter suppression impact of voter ID laws very very real and dispropotionally impacting the very group you feign outrage for in your 100 year old example.

Or shall we just say that Fred has a hat for you to wear?

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If it weren’t for ACORN, I’m not so sure voter fraud would such a hot topic. How long we’re they around? 30-40 years? And why do they no longer exist ?

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Now……. really out for a jog

Thulsa: Keep providing those 1960s examples as evidence of what is occurring in 2012.

You are a regular Perry Mason or maybe a Matlock

peace

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BOTH, you’re wasting our time asking me to prove the unprovable. I can’t prove anything if I can’t ask for an ID. Is there something about that you just aren’t getting?

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RB

What if I told you I knew a group of women who forged 600 winning megamillion lottery tickets? It’s only a small percentage of the total, right?

I met one of them at Trader Joe’s when I was finishing my shift and getting on my motor scooter and she was in this new Escalade with a ton of wine and steaks in the back and she gave me some food stamps after I helped her load her stuff.

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It Wasn’t Just an Apology Tour, It Was a Condemnation Tour! And We Have All the Evidence to Prove It Right Here…

Step right up; Read all about it; Obama did apologize. His own words condemn him.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/23/it_wasn_t_just_an_apology_tour_it_was_a_condemnation_tour_and_we_have_all_the_evidence_to_prove_it_right_here

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PAUL

Unmentionable says my Sartre’s hell will be Helen Thomas on one side and the Du-k-sha-nee on the other and Sue Ellen hiking her hoop skirts across the room… with my Granny reminding me to “be nice…” .

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The sure way to prevent in person voter fraud is to do like they do in some countries. When you vote, you get your finger stamped or dipped in ink. Works for them.

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Many here seem to be missing the point.

a) voter fraud does occur sometimes
b) OMG, voter fraud occurs! Pass laws for ID!
c) Except for absentee ballots, no change in law there

It has been shown already that voter fraud occurs on a much larger scale via absentee ballots, yet the laws are NOT being changed for absentee ballots.

If those making the laws were truthfully concerned about voter fraud, they would go after the larger amount of fraud. However, going after the in-person voter ID route shows that they are after one thing: making it harder to vote for a percentage of a population that may trend democratic.

If you don’t believe that is why this is an issue, then go ahead, leave your head in the sand.

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KEEP, prove there are 1000’s being suppressed. Not opinions. Facts.

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Fraud? Did someone suggest fraud?

OBAMA: A fraud only a mother could love.

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“It’s a matter of degree, and compared to the Gilded Age or Tammany Hall, we’ve come a long way, Baby…”

Not because people are inherently better but because the chances of getting caught are greater. People generally like to do their “evil” deeds in secret:

“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.” – John 3:20

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A recent national survey sponsored by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law reveals that millions of American citizens do not have readily available documentary proof of citizenship. Many more primarily women do not have proof of citizenship with their current name. The survey also showed that millions of American citizens do not have government-issued photo identification, such as a drivers license or passport. Finally, the survey demonstrated that certain groups primarily poor, elderly, and minority citizens are less likely to possess these forms of documentation than the general population

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I always wondered why there never was a criminal prosecution of von Spakovsky for violation of Federal voting rights laws. It seems called for. As well a criminal investigation into Reince Preibus and any other high ranking Republican for possible conspiracy to violate voting rights laws through their bogus voter suppression campaign. These guys at best look upon elections as just a game to play dirty tricks with. At worst they are criminally subverting our Constitution, laws and government. Just well-dressed thugs like Nixon and his Watergate gang. Many of them went to the slammer; the same should be done now.

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Comprehension is a mountain too high for liberals to climb. The pages above are full of voter fraud examples from 1960 to yesterday and the loons claim there is no proof. It is a demonstrated inability to comprehend the written word. They should return to their coloring books.

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PAUL

Unmentionable’s name for Jay’s Blog is the Fifth Circle of Dante’s Inferno…of course he’s just being uppity, satisfied in being in the Third…

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 23rd, 2012
5:48 pm
Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID. Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens

The above is an amazing statistic. One a photo ID is required to cash their social secirity checks and two an over whelming number of the over 65 crowd are Republican voters.

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Mighty Righty

“Comprehension is a mountain too high for liberals to climb. ”

Does this mean you now comprehend why Governor Romney gave credit to President Obama for killing Osama bin Laden?

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“There you go AGAIN with thinking the democrats of 50 years ago are the same democrats today. ”

There YOU go again with the sophomoric idea that Democrats are NOW good or better people. People as a whole don’t get better – apart from some kind of “conversion” or repentance. They still lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery, hate and so on.

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Towncrier

If you want to edit it, then at least do it accurately.

” I congratulate him on — on taking out Osama bin Laden and going after the leadership in al-Qaeda.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82712.html

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“If you want to edit it, then at least do it accurately.”

I accurately edited your statement. Didn’t mean to offend, but sometimes ideas expressed inaccurately (like “one is innocent until proven guilty” – leaving out “presumed”) leads to wrong beliefs.

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I’ve made the suggestion of switching to biometric registration. Since most places are using touch screen electronic voting, I don’t think it would be much of a stretch to add a fingerprint capture mechanism on the actual machine to verify the person voting as someone who’s registered to vote.

Uh, no! You’re familiar with those federal Smart Cards, right Brocepheus? To get one, your fingerprints have to be on file. Well, toward the end of my career, I had to get a new Smart Card password. Part of the requirements for getting a new password is to press your right index finger against the glass so that the computer can read your fingerprint. The computer didn’t recognize mine, and that triggered a prolonged nightmare.

I don’t want any voter to be subjected to that kind of screw-up. It might be just one vote, but it’s an important vote to the person who has it.

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And yet, Mighty, you have ignored the work of the Brennan Center in providing all this information and are amazed when presented factual information rather than the Doom-dumb claims of “in my personal limited world perception”. Why would you continue to remain so ignorant?

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voting_rights_elections

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Towncrier: There YOU go again with the sophomoric idea that Democrats are NOW good or better people.

Really, did I say that? I was just calling out Thulsa on his repeated lie.
funny how you read stuff into my words.

“They still lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery, hate and so on.”

yep, humans. they ain’t perfect!

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CRIER

While I would agree with you on the “in secret” thing and the getting caught…the Gilded Age and Tammany Hall were wide open and had no such fear…

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From ballot security to voting machine security and voter list maintenance, the Brennan Center has published national studies and continue to provide technical support for states seeking to improve their voting systems.

Funny thing…. libs are all for ballot and voting machine security and voter list maintenance….so why is it Republicans only chose voter ID laws which suppress legitimate voting (as well as efforts to suppress early voting). Hmmmm?

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hsn

You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…

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“While I would agree with you on the “in secret” thing and the getting caught…the Gilded Age and Tammany Hall were wide open and had no such fear…”

To some extent I agree, but the Bible (OT especially) does speak of people getting so hardened in their wrongdoing that they are as “brazen” as “harlots”.

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PAUL

“You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…”

Picky, picky, picky!!!

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My dog has kept the elephants out of my yard for the last ten years, I can prove it.

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CRIER
@ 6:11

Not being snippy when I say this, but it does speak to how long we’ve been at it, doesn’t it?

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There was only one incidence of voter fraud in our history as a republic: 2000, when Scalia led that Black-Robed Coup of our government and annointed that horrid man-child as our king, King George of the New Crusade. I still can’t believe it really happened.

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“Not being snippy when I say this, but it does speak to how long we’ve been at it, doesn’t it?”

Solomon did write that there is nothing new under the sun. And I take it he was speaking primarily (or exclusively) of human behavior.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s

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Well at least someone is getting it.

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Towncrier

I prefer to think some are just really interested in something they’ve just read and are anxious to put it out to the blog to get a clear, unbiased, thoughtful read on if it’s correct or not.

Just said I prefer to think that. Didn’t say I actually did -

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“You wouldn’t like to be a civilian in a military town, eh? Whoo-whee, Mate, good times in certain bars there…”–josef

Sounds like someone has some pretty, shall I say, colorful memories!

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Okay, guys…I’m out. Goodnight all!

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USMC

Before I forget,,,welcome to the idiot club…boy those imbeciles are sure an uppity lot, ain’t they…?

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“A new advertisement featuring Christian evangelist Billy Graham began running in newspapers across the country today, encouraging voters to cast their ballots this November for candidates who “support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman.”

The full-page ad, which ran in USA Today and The Wall Street Journal today and will run in other publications prior to Election Day, is signed by Graham and reads:

‘The legacy we leave behind for our children, grandchildren and this great nation is critical. As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election could be my last. I believe it is vitally important that we cast our ballots for candidates who base their decisions on biblical principles and support the nation of Israel. I urge you to vote for those who protect the sanctity of life and support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Vote for biblical values this November 6, and pray with me that America will remain one nation under God.’ ”

Billy Graham, Montreat, NC

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Paul @ 5:22

I’ve been one major deflection today.

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I do find it interesting that when “huh???” disappeared, Ben Shockly reappeared. Hmmmm.

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GMARE

Not the same one, but definitely Siamese twins joined at the ass…

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Scout

The Graham family has done a lot of good things for a lot of people around the world for many years. For that they should be commended and recognized.

With that said, I find it strange that last week, just one week after meeting with Romney, Billy and Franklin took the Mormons of of their “cult” list.

If their faith leads them to believe that Mormonism is a cult, why would that change now? Because a Mormon won the Republican primary and could possibly be the next President? Is that faith or political maneuvering?

From what I have read and observed, Billy still meets with and prays with all the Presidential candidates and Presidents (if I am not mistaken). Billy seemed to back off on the outward political affiliations and endorsements after being caught talking about the “Jewish owned and run media” during the Nixon days.

Seems Franklin is more into the political arena, at least in an outward sense.

Again they have done some great things. On one hand, it is a good thing they no longer view Mormonism as a cult. On the other, the timing is dubious at best that they just recently “saw the light”.

Maybe they met with leaders of the Mormon Church and it wasn’t advertised. I would hope that is the case and their mind wasn’t just changed because of Romney. That would lead me to think it was more political than faith driven.

To each their own, but I find it a strange.

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They BOTH suck:

Is it strange for men & women of the cloth to support Obama ?

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BROSEPHUS

SE

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031 – If you think we have as many bayonets today as in the past, then I truly feel sorry for you.

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BOTH

Graham does have a strong anti Jewish prejudice,,,one reason I’ve never held him in particularly high regard…

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There is a sliver of undecided voters left.
ABC News.

Who would still be undecided at this point.

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“Who would still be undecided at this point.”

Just morons.

O’bozo has the edge.

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OSCAR

“Who would still be undecided at this point.”

Me. It was never a question of voting for the Republicans. But I’m still not sure if I will vote for Obama, either…

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ad:

Don’t argue with me ……….. argue with the USMC official website where they describe bayonet training for EVERY Marine !

Ooo Rah !

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Oh, good…earlier I was just an idiot, now I’ve been elevated to moron!

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Jesus and politics:

“31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. (King) Herod wants to kill you.”

32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will drive out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day — for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!”

Luke 13

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BOTH
I may wind up doing third party or just leave it blank…since the electoral vote for Georgia is already in the bag…but, I must admit, Obama’s finally coming around on gay marriage is a good reason to vote FOR him…

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Even one of O’bozo’s house organs has to face issues…

Mitt Romney eked out bragging rights in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll, claiming 49 percent support among likely voters vs. Barack Obama’s 48 percent – Romney’s first numerical edge, however slight, since before the party conventions.”

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“Life without God is like an un-sharpened pencil – it has no point.”

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Every system can be beat, paper ballots, electronic voting, etc. If Man designed it, Man can defeat it. Your comp can be hacked, Atms can be fooled. People do it for money and just because they like to beat the system. Someone said on here that cheaters never win, like Lance. But he did win, he won 7 times, and now he has been disgraced. But what did he gain? Years of celebrity, famous friends and girlfriends, endorsements, money, travel. Would you trade a little disgrace for all that? Anyone would.

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Excuse me: “Vote”

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BOTH

To a great extent, it’s the known versus the unknown…the Republicans have been unable to rein in their lunatics…and in a choice between the two, I’ll go for centrist mediocrity over rightist virulent antagonim…

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“GIVE ‘EM COLD STEEL !”

“British forces in Afghanistan have used bayonets on numerous occasions. In 2009, Lieutenant James Adamson, aged 24, of the Royal Regiment of Scotland was awarded the Military Cross for a bayonet charge whilst on a tour of duty in Afghanistan: after shooting one Taliban fighter dead Adamson had run out of ammunition when another enemy appeared. Adamson immediately charged the second Taliban fighter and bayoneted him.[37] In September 2012, Lance Corporal Sean Jones of The Princess of Wales’s Regiment was awarded the Military Cross for his role in a bayonet charge which took place in October 2011.[38]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet

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josef @ 7:23

Even I will say “Amen brother”……………

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This is about as bad as Obama’s “Corpseman” !

HEADLINE (ABC): “How Many Bayonets Does the U.S. Have? Quite A Few”

“The Army said today it has 419,155 bayonets in its inventory. The Marine Corps has another 195,334 bayonets that it bought in 2004 and it plans on buying 175,061 more bayonets this year. A Marine official says it’s not accurate to add the two totals together as the new ones will include replacements for ones already in service as well as additional stocks.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/how-many-bayonets-does-the-u-s-have-quite-a-few/

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Values:

“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.”

Isaiah 5:20

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To a great extent, it’s the known versus the unknown…the Republicans have been unable to rein in their lunatics…and in a choice between the two, I’ll go for centrist mediocrity over rightist virulent antagonim…

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I always go for the one closest to the center, and the party nearest the center. Varies from decade to decade. Been with the democrats since 1996. Think they are still there.

Romney is probably close to the center. At least he goes through the center from time to time as he waggles and waves from far left to far right.

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Let the two candidates write down their guess as to the number of bayonets the armed forces have.
Nearest guess gets the job.

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Scout @ 7:29

Are you referring to the Graham’s recent change of heart on Mormonism being a “cult”?

Are they know calling “evil” good?

I am sure they have some literature and tracts that do not exactly show Mormonism in a could light, at least from their views as of two weeks ago. On the other hand, I am sure they have or will be discarding that material.

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This 2009 article from the Washington Post Magazine followed a platoon of Marines battling insurgents in Now Zad, Afghanistan. The first words of the article: ”Fix bayonets.”

“Not long after giving that order, 1st Lt. Arthur Karell was hunched in a dirt trench crowded with Marines. The hushed darkness bristled with eight-inch blades fitted beneath the barrels of dozens of M-16 assault rifles.

You fix bayonets when you expect to need the aggressive combat mind-set that’s produced by the primal sight of massed blades. You fix them when you expect to search hidden places. You fix them when you expect the fight could push you within arm’s reach of your enemy — gutting distance. In modern warfare, that’s extraordinarily rare.”

Except for the Marine is happening to ……………..

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“Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
‘Master, which is the great commandment in the law?’
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the L-rd thy G-d with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets”"

—Matthew 22:35-40

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Only a con would think that we need to increase the DoD budget so they can afford to buy more bayonets.

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They BOTH suck:

Mormonism is a wonderful family oriented, hospitable, caring, moral, partriotic religion.

Their doctrine on the Divinity of Christ just happens to be much different than mainline Christianity.

That shouldn’t have anything to do with being qualified to be President of the United States.

Thus ……… he will get my vote.

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Seems like somebody has a hard-on for bayonets tonight.

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For those of you using the specious argument that there has been no voter fraud because very little has been detected, has it occurred to you that there has been no detection because there has been (very little) checking? You don’t know what you don’t know. It’s as laughable as the statements telling us how many illegal aliens are in our country. We don’t know for sure because they aren’t registered in any way, shape or form.

I fully agree with the people pointing out that you are required to have a form of ID for so many things – cashing a check, buying alcohol and tobacco, driving a car, getting on a plane, setting up a bank account, getting a welfare check or foodstamps, enlisting in the military, and on and on.

Of course we should require a person to prove who they are when participating in the most important civic duty we have!

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Like Biden said, cons are full of bs.

No doubt about it.

Vice President Biden told the truth then laughed in ryan’s face.

That was the highlight of this cycle.

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I voted for Bush in 1992, after Clinton won, I though the GOP went off the deep end in their attempt to remove Clinton from office. From there they proceded further from reality and have never recovered.
Fear of socialism, communism, athesim, gay marriage, crime by minority groups, illegal immigrants, and China has kept them over the edge of rationality.

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josef:

Nothing wrong with that.

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Oscar: Who would still be undecided at this point.

Me.

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Bro: You too. Who will it be next. And you think you know someone.

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Scout

Thanks for your take on Mormonism.

You posted a letter from Billy Graham, so I chimed in with their recent change of heart……… coincidentally at the time a Mormon was in a tight race for POTUS………

Their choice, but it reeks of nothing more than politics. They seem to be telling folks who believe as they do but might be apprehensive because Romney is a Mormon, that is is ok to vote for him.

I do not know why they placed Mormons on a “cult” list but anyone with an objectivity can see that the recent timing is no coincidence.

Like you “I call them like I seem them” In this case it smelled even before I could see it.

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Senior Digits…. now here is the actual quote:

“But I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You — you mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets — [laughter] — because the nature of our military’s changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.”

So why do you buffoonishly lie about the statement. Do you need someone to tell you that the “nature of our military’s changed” or did that go above your head?

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Scout

What I am saying is that while I do not agree with the Grahams on a “cult” list, I do think more of that family than their recent willingness to play politics with their own stated faith, words and actions.

But maybe I need to reevaluate how I view them based on that decision.

Again, they have done some great work.

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I talk to vets that supported the Libya operation and troops there now and they think our President knows what he is talking about.

mitt does not.

Both,

Good point on the cult comment.

I guess they are tolerant of Mormons now so they can be tolerant of the Muslims too.

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To summarize, Obama said we have fewer horses and bayonets, not none, which is correct. He further noted that we have aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines, which is also correct. Romney, on the other hand, was basing his (false) argument on the notion that a 1917 ship is directly equivalent to an aircraft carrier or nuclear submarine. And Republicans think they have something to crow about here?

And Senior Digits is leading the crows

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getalife

The timing of when they “saw the light” in regards to Mormons is amazing………….

What do you think the chances are that Mormonisn is off the cult list had the Republican nominee not been Mormon?

You get one guess. Hint: multiple it by ZERO……………

And you get _______________.

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seabiscuit: The Pew Trust,a liberal organization recently discovered 1.8 millon deceased voters names still on the voter rolls in the many states! Proof positive that voter fraud can and does exist!

Nope. Proof that voter registration rolls are not being kept up, maybe. But you have not demonstrated that any of those 1.8 million voted after dying. You can comprehend what evidence and proof is, right?

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The Pew Trust,a liberal organization recently discovered 1.8 millon deceased voters names still on the voter rolls in the many states! Proof positive that voter fraud can and does exist!

Voter fraud my ass. That’s simply people not adequately checking the voter registration rolls. When you continuously cut budgets, tasks get prioritized to keep the government running. I don’t know of a single state that ranks continuous monitoring of the voter registration rolls as a high priority item. Nice try but epic fail.

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“Proof positive that voter fraud can and does exist!”

Hate to break it to you…but that is NOT proof of voter fraud. It would only be voter fraud if someone voted using one of those IDs and it could be proven that they did so. All you’ve really found is an example of – at worst – poor record keeping.

But keep digging, your BOUND to find a case of REAL voter fraud sooner or later. Bound to.

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Bro

But you do know that in 1960 …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

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They BOTH

Funny that I gave them proof at the beginning of the thread, and not a single one appears to have taken a look. Voter fraud is nothing but political fraud. Some of these people don’t really give a sh*t about fraud or else they would seriously research it and arm themselves with the knowledge necessary to defend their position.

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They BOTH

Check this out…

How was the News21 public-records effort conducted?

There are 3,145 counties in America. News21 emailed, faxed or phoned every county district attorney office in every state that indicated that was necessary, a total of more than 1,000 such contacts. In many cases, offices were contacted more than once in order to get questions answered and details filled in

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud-explainer/

Now, this was done in early 2012, and we all know that Republicans run more than half the states in the country. If Republicans were truly concerned about voter fraud, wouldn’t they have some kind of method to track cases?

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Temme…

If I vote early, but die before election day…is my vote still valid…?

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“If I vote early, but die before election day…is my vote still valid…?”

Yeah, you’re good…just don’t try to vote again after you die

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Bro, and none of that addresses the voter suppression by the Ohio SoS who tried to limit early voting in Democratic leaning counties and the Ohio legislature to take away early voting rights from some, but not all, citizens. As well as his continued efforts to ignore court orders.

But some posters who feign concern that a tight race may be impacted by the fictional “illegal voter” or “Democrats suppressing votes 100 years ago” have no objection to those acts.

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Last Will and Testament,

I hereby bequeath my voting rights after death to my wife. There. That makes it legal.

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” Ever try to cash a check, rent a car, go to a court house, check out a book at the library, get a prescription, etc., etc., etc., Just amazing!”

Well, let’s see…if I use only cash, I don’t need an ID to cash a chack. If I don’t break any laws, I don’t need to go to the court house. If I don’t like to read, I have no need to go to the library. If I don’t need any prescription medicines, I don’t need to do to a pharmacy. Etc, etc, etc

Wanna try again?

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Bro

Good article. The usual rebuttal will be that only accounts for the cases that were found out. Some people just know it is occurring and possible influencing elections, yet their evidence does not come close to the hype and rhetoric.

If either party could do it and had these grand schemes, why isn’t it showing up with that party doing it to influence any and every election? Why are the number of examples so low?

There are monitors at the polls.

When there is a process to include absentee ballots and it is done for all states, I will be on board.

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getalife

I am with you 100%. I think he would be the House’s whipping boy.

The Graham’s and many others had to change their views on Mormonism, not TBS. It never concerned me whether he was Baptist, Buddhist, Mormon or atheist.

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USMC . You must think all was great at the end of the Bush 8 years ?

Economy wonderful, housing great, and of course zero wars. Cheney never touted Deficits don’t matter, and he balanced the budget ?

Bush administration official: 2008 will set record
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 15 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – A senior Bush administration official says the budget deficit for this year will set a record in dollar terms, approaching $490 billion.

The official said Monday the deficit was being driven to record levels by the sagging economy and the stimulus payments being made to 130 million households in an effort to keep the country from falling into a deep recession. A deficit approaching $490 billion would easily surpass the current record deficit of $413 billion set in 2004.

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I thought con beliefs are set in stone until mitt came along.

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USMC. This is for you………

Consumers’ mood grim in June: survey
Friday June 27, 10:01 am ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) – consumer confidence fell more than expected in June, hitting another 28-year low as surging prices and mounting job losses sapped sentiment, according to a survey released on Friday.
The Reuters/University of Michigan Surveys of Consumers also said five-year inflation expectations remained steady at the peak of 3.4 percent reached in May, which was the highest in 13 years.

Federal Reserve officials have focused on long-term inflation expectations in recent comments and the persistence of strong inflationary pressures heightens the dilemma they face of fighting price growth or supporting a flagging economy.

The Surveys of Consumers said the final June reading for its index of confidence fell to 56.4 from May’s 59.8.

The June reading is the lowest since 51.7 in May 1980, which was also the lowest reading ever. The index dates back to 1952, though the survey has been conducted since 1946.

Economists had expected a reading of 57.0, according to a Reuters poll. Their forecasts ranged from 55.9 to 60.0. The final June result is slightly below the preliminary figure of 56.7 released on June 13.

One-year inflation expectations declined to still-elevated 5.1 percent from May’s 5.2 percent. May’s one-year inflation expectations reading was the highest since 5.2 percent in February 1982.

The index of consumer expectations fell to 49.2 in June — its lowest since May 1980

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the Republican’s want their party back in charge !

AP
Stimulus payments result in record May deficit
Wednesday June 11, 2:20 pm ET
By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
Economic stimulus payments push May budget deficit to an all-time high of $165.9 billion

WASHINGTON (AP) — A flood of economic stimulus payments pushed the federal budget deficit to an all-time high of $165.9 billion in May.
The Treasury Department reported Wednesday that the May deficit was more than double the imbalance in May 2007, reflecting $48 billion in payments as part of the government’s $168 billion economic stimulus effort to give the economy a jump-start and keep the country from falling into a deep recession.

For the first eight months of the budget year, the deficit totals $319.4 billion, slightly below the all-time record for this period of $346 billion, set in the 2004 budget year.

The Bush administration estimated in February that the deficit for this year would total $410 billion, just below the all-time high in dollar terms of $413 billion in 2004. However, many private economists believe that this year’s deficit will exceed the previous record, reflecting not only the economic stimulus program but also the impact of the weakening economy on government receipts.

Through the first eight months of this budget year, which began on Oct. 1, receipts have totaled $1.67 trillion, a small 0.3 percent increase from the same period a year ago, as both individual tax payments and corporate tax payments have shown the effects of the sluggish economy.

Outlays, however, are up a sizable 9.7 percent to $1.99 trillion, reflecting the stimulus payments and also the ongoing costs of fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The $319.4 billion deficit total for the past eight months is more than double the $148.5 billion deficit for the same period in 2007.

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Doggone, my point is not “voter fraud” but more to do with this mythical “voter suppression”. I agree, in these time a lot of people are “cash only”, I can relate. Just seems the argument against an ID to vote is ridiculous.

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USMC… this is for you……….2008 was the year.

Buffett sees “long, deep” U.S. recession
Sat May 24, 7:30 AM ET

BERLIN (Reuters) – The United States is already in a recession and it will be longer as well as deeper than many people expect, U.S. investor Warren Buffett said in an interview published in German magazine Der Spiegel on Saturday.

He said the United States was “already in recession” and added: “Perhaps not in the sense that economists would define it” with two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

“But the people are already feeling the effects,” said Buffett, the world’s richest man. “It will be deeper and last longer than many think.”

But he said that won’t stop him from investing in selected companies and said he remained interested in well-managed German family-owned companies.

“If the world were falling apart I’d still invest in companies,” he said.

Buffett also renewed his criticism of derivatives trading.

“It’s not right that hundreds of thousands of jobs are being eliminated, that entire industrial sectors in the real economy are being wiped out by financial bets even though the sectors are actually in good health.”

Buffett complained about the lack of effective controls.

“That’s the problem,” he said. “You can’t steer it, you can’t regulate it anymore. You can’t get the genie back in the bottle.”

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USMC……. perhaps you have forgotten ?

WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new poll suggests that George W. Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush his handling his job as president.

“No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president’s disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

“Bush’s approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon (22 percent and 24 percent, respectively) but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s,” Holland added. “The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 66 percent disapproval in January 1952.”

CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, “He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974.” President Nixon’s disapproval rating in August 1974 stood at 67 percent.

The poll also indicates that support for the war in Iraq has never been lower. Thirty percent of those questioned favored the war while 68 percent opposed the conflict.

“Americans are growing more pessimistic about the war,” Holland said. “In January, nearly half believed that things were going well for the U.S. in Iraq; now that figure has dropped to 39 percent.”

The numbers on the Iraq war come on the five-year anniversary of President Bush’s “mission accomplished” moment onboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, when Bush proclaimed that “major combat operations in Iraq have ended.”

The record low support for the war in a CNN poll could be one reason behind the president’s unpopularity, but it probably is not the only one.

“Support for the war, the assessment of the economy and approval of Mr. Bush are all about the same — bad,” Schneider said.

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“The problem is that you think they believe those positions. Just think of them as convenient statements at the time made”

That does make it easier.

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USMC…… Your party led us to this……..

Dollar plumbs new low versus euro
Concerns about U.S. banking sector drive greenback to record low against the 15-nation euro.

By Kenneth Musante, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: July 15, 2008: 8:44 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The dollar sank to a new all-time low against the euro Tuesday as concerns about the health of the U.S. banking sector and economy deepened.
The 15-nation euro rose as high as $1.6038 in European trading, breaking through its previous high of $1.6018 set April 22. It later pulled back to $1.5992, but remained stronger against the dollar.

The greenback also fell against the Japanese yen, dropping to ¥105.18.

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“Doggone, my point is not “voter fraud” but more to do with this mythical “voter suppression”.”

But instituting voter ID laws that are not needed CAN have the effect of suppressing the vote, especially this close to an election. So tell us, how much are YOU willing to donate to ENSURE that ALL voters in your state that do not have a picture ID can get one in a timely fashion? Or, since voter registration has passed…how much DID you donate towards that goal?

If there is no real, substantive, voter fraud…and there isn’t…then it’s neccessary to look behind the reason for the sudden push for voter ID. And the ONLY other reason is to STOP SOME PEOPLE FROM VOTING. AKA: voter suppression.

There’s no other valid reason for it.

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Keep – HA! HA! HA! You’re killing me!

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Keep: Bro, and none of that addresses the voter suppression by the Ohio SoS

No it doesn’t. That’s one that I’ve been watching very closely. As it was done, it reeked of shenanigans.

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TaxPayer:

………….. and what would you know what to do with a hand grenade OR a bayonet?

Just askin’ …………..

By the way, the standard issue of grenades when I was in was six. They are fairly heavy and you can run out of them real fast. They bayonet is ALWAYS there ……….. it doesn’t “run out”.

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“Too much work and not enough play makes Jack a dull boy.”

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