Tracing the local origins of the vote-fraud myth
Those who have followed Fulton County politics for a long time will recognize the name Hans von Spakovsky. Back in the ’90s, as a local lawyer active in Republican circles, he started raising allegations of serious voting fraud that somehow never quite seemed to pan out.
Hans von Spakovsky
Apparently, however, somebody somewhere recognized that the fraud allegation itself, even if merely a myth never bolstered by evidence, would be useful in justifying a push for more restrictive ballot laws that might tamp down Democratic turnout. It allowed von Spakovsky to take his schtick national, in time nailing a job in the voting rights section of the Bush Justice Department in which he tried — vainly, despite all the resources of the federal government — to establish that in-person vote fraud posed a clear and present danger to American democracy.
It might be too much to say that von Spakovsky singlehandedly created the mythology of voter fraud, but it clearly created him, serving as a hobbyhorse that he rode to prominence in conservative circles.
Jane Mayer, writing in the current New Yorker, tells his story well, along the way documenting multiple examples in which cases of in-person voting fraud cited by von Spakovsky seem to melt away like desert mirages upon closer inspection. His career is a great example of the power, and the danger, of a useful lie.
ADDENDUM: While we’re on the general topic, it might be useful to try to squelch early, fringe stirrings on the left alleging a conservative conspiracy to fix voting machines in Ohio. As the theory is spun at Truthout.org:
“Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States.
In other words, a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and his brother, wife and son, have a straight-line financial interest in the voting machines that could decide this fall’s election. These machines cannot be monitored by the public. But they will help decide who “owns” the White House.
The claim is nonsense and without backing in fact. If you’re going to make charges or even raise suspicions of that grave nature, you need much more than a knee-bone-connected-to-the-thigh-bone argument of the sort offered here.
Otherwise, you’re no better than the von Spakovskys of the world.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
October 23rd, 2012
5:46 pm
I like the idea of the purple ink, myself. Mark of a good citizen. Make sure it’s the middle finger though, so when somebody wants to know if you voted…
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
5:46 pm
“It’s a matter of degree, and compared to the Gilded Age or Tammany Hall, we’ve come a long way, Baby…”
Not because people are inherently better but because the chances of getting caught are greater. People generally like to do their “evil” deeds in secret:
“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.” – John 3:20
Logical Dude
October 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm
Thulsa: I think of the poll tax and Jim Crow laws by DEMOCRATS
There you go AGAIN with thinking the democrats of 50 years ago are the same democrats today. Do you really think anyone buys this argument?
Are you counting on people not realizing that all those democrats changed to republican over the past 15 years?
AGAIN??
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm
A recent national survey sponsored by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law reveals that millions of American citizens do not have readily available documentary proof of citizenship. Many more primarily women do not have proof of citizenship with their current name. The survey also showed that millions of American citizens do not have government-issued photo identification, such as a drivers license or passport. Finally, the survey demonstrated that certain groups primarily poor, elderly, and minority citizens are less likely to possess these forms of documentation than the general population
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm
josef
Yeah, a bunch of them. Central Market, too.
And Trader Joe’s.
yuzeyurbrane
October 23rd, 2012
5:48 pm
I always wondered why there never was a criminal prosecution of von Spakovsky for violation of Federal voting rights laws. It seems called for. As well a criminal investigation into Reince Preibus and any other high ranking Republican for possible conspiracy to violate voting rights laws through their bogus voter suppression campaign. These guys at best look upon elections as just a game to play dirty tricks with. At worst they are criminally subverting our Constitution, laws and government. Just well-dressed thugs like Nixon and his Watergate gang. Many of them went to the slammer; the same should be done now.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 23rd, 2012
5:48 pm
Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID. Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.
Mighty Righty
October 23rd, 2012
5:49 pm
Comprehension is a mountain too high for liberals to climb. The pages above are full of voter fraud examples from 1960 to yesterday and the loons claim there is no proof. It is a demonstrated inability to comprehend the written word. They should return to their coloring books.
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
5:51 pm
“It has been shown already that voter fraud occurs on a much larger scale via absentee ballots, yet the laws are NOT being changed for absentee ballots…If those making the laws were truthfully concerned about voter fraud, they would go after the larger amount of fraud. However, going after the in-person voter ID route shows that they are after one thing: making it harder to vote for a percentage of a population that may trend democratic.”
Yeah…the “conversation” on both sides of the isle is about voter IDs and not about registration fraud (which then can lead to so-called “in-person” voter fraud) and fraud related to absentee ballots. Can you point me to any Democrats pushing for legislation to prevent illegal immigrant voting?
josef
October 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm
PAUL
Unmentionable’s name for Jay’s Blog is the Fifth Circle of Dante’s Inferno…of course he’s just being uppity, satisfied in being in the Third…
Ahem
October 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm
Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating
Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating
Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating
BOCA RATON, Fla. — Mitt Romney crossed a major threshold early this week, moving above 50 percent in his favorability rating with voters, according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls — and for the first time in the campaign he now leads President Obama on that measure.
The Republican presidential nominee has clearly benefited from the debates. He had a 44.5 percent favorability rating at the end of September, before the debates. But by Monday, when he and Mr. Obama faced off for the final debate of the campaign, Mr. Romney’s favorability average was up to 50.5 percent.
Tom Jensen, director of Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm, said Mr. Romney’s favorability surge “really has been remarkable.”
Read more: Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating – Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/debates-deliver-favorability-edge-romney/#ixzz2AA4nyjvP
Mighty Righty
October 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 23rd, 2012
5:48 pm
Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID. Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens
The above is an amazing statistic. One a photo ID is required to cash their social secirity checks and two an over whelming number of the over 65 crowd are Republican voters.
FYI
October 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Pew Charitable Trust has advocated for purging the current rolls. Libs call it suppression.
•More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
•Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
•About 12 million records have incorrect addresses.
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Mighty Righty
“Comprehension is a mountain too high for liberals to climb. ”
Does this mean you now comprehend why Governor Romney gave credit to President Obama for killing Osama bin Laden?
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
5:54 pm
josef
Yeah, some people just have no ambition to better themselves, do they?
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm
“There you go AGAIN with thinking the democrats of 50 years ago are the same democrats today. ”
There YOU go again with the sophomoric idea that Democrats are NOW good or better people. People as a whole don’t get better – apart from some kind of “conversion” or repentance. They still lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery, hate and so on.
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
5:57 pm
“Does this mean you now comprehend why Governor Romney gave credit to President Obama for killing Osama bin Laden?”
Edit: that should read “…[the] killing [of] Osama bin Laden…”
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:00 pm
Towncrier
If you want to edit it, then at least do it accurately.
” I congratulate him on — on taking out Osama bin Laden and going after the leadership in al-Qaeda.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82712.html
USMC
October 23rd, 2012
6:00 pm
“I wonder what USMC thinks USMC means?”-Skippy
Why of course. It means:
U ncle
S am’s
M isguided
C hildren
Skippy!
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:02 pm
“If you want to edit it, then at least do it accurately.”
I accurately edited your statement. Didn’t mean to offend, but sometimes ideas expressed inaccurately (like “one is innocent until proven guilty” – leaving out “presumed”) leads to wrong beliefs.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
PAUL
Lazy bums, they are on the Third, just waitin’ for a handout…the hardworking folks bent on self improvement are here on the Fifth…though there do seem to be a lot of folks from the Eighth and Ninth on board
Ex-Federal Worker
October 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
I’ve made the suggestion of switching to biometric registration. Since most places are using touch screen electronic voting, I don’t think it would be much of a stretch to add a fingerprint capture mechanism on the actual machine to verify the person voting as someone who’s registered to vote.
Uh, no! You’re familiar with those federal Smart Cards, right Brocepheus? To get one, your fingerprints have to be on file. Well, toward the end of my career, I had to get a new Smart Card password. Part of the requirements for getting a new password is to press your right index finger against the glass so that the computer can read your fingerprint. The computer didn’t recognize mine, and that triggered a prolonged nightmare.
I don’t want any voter to be subjected to that kind of screw-up. It might be just one vote, but it’s an important vote to the person who has it.
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
USMC
I grew up right outside Camp Pendleton and I must say you have that right!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
And yet, Mighty, you have ignored the work of the Brennan Center in providing all this information and are amazed when presented factual information rather than the Doom-dumb claims of “in my personal limited world perception”. Why would you continue to remain so ignorant?
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voting_rights_elections
hsn
October 23rd, 2012
6:04 pm
Jay,
Have you seen this?
“Voting machines in Ohio with business ties to Romney raise alarm .”
http://thegrio.com/2012/10/23/voting-machines-in-ohio-with-business-ties-to-romney-raise-alarm/
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Logical Dude
October 23rd, 2012
6:04 pm
Towncrier: There YOU go again with the sophomoric idea that Democrats are NOW good or better people.
Really, did I say that? I was just calling out Thulsa on his repeated lie.
funny how you read stuff into my words.
“They still lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery, hate and so on.”
yep, humans. they ain’t perfect!
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
Towncrier
Thanks for that. Didn’t mean to jump to conclusions, but if you’d read the avoidance I encountered earlier today after trying to get a response from some, well, I trust you’ll understand.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
CRIER
While I would agree with you on the “in secret” thing and the getting caught…the Gilded Age and Tammany Hall were wide open and had no such fear…
USMC
October 23rd, 2012
6:06 pm
Breaking News:
Donald Trump to reveal ‘divorce papers of Michelle and Barack Obama!
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm
From ballot security to voting machine security and voter list maintenance, the Brennan Center has published national studies and continue to provide technical support for states seeking to improve their voting systems.
Funny thing…. libs are all for ballot and voting machine security and voter list maintenance….so why is it Republicans only chose voter ID laws which suppress legitimate voting (as well as efforts to suppress early voting). Hmmmm?
Wake up
October 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
Ask people at election boards who have numerous returned items to (indicating. for example, that the person’s listed address is a vacant lot somewhere) whether there is voter fraud. .
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
hsn
You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
“Really, did I say that? I was just calling out Thulsa on his repeated lie.
funny how you read stuff into my words.”
Well you went on to say that those same Democrats that were responsible for voter fraud were now Republicans (the the of which is a subject for another conversation), with the implication that Democrats are better than that now. I don’t know how else I was to take your remarks…
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm
“While I would agree with you on the “in secret” thing and the getting caught…the Gilded Age and Tammany Hall were wide open and had no such fear…”
To some extent I agree, but the Bible (OT especially) does speak of people getting so hardened in their wrongdoing that they are as “brazen” as “harlots”.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm
PAUL
“You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…”
Picky, picky, picky!!!
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm
PAUL
“You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…”
Picky, picky, picky!!!
USMC
October 23rd, 2012
6:13 pm
“I grew up right outside Camp Pendleton and I must say you have that right!”–Paul
Sorry to hear that, Paul. I never liked being stationed in Jacksonville, NC(Camp Lejeune) while back stateside. I certainly wouldn’t want to be a civilian in a military town either. So I know what you mean.
( a few bad apples… well, you know the saying)
Skip
October 23rd, 2012
6:14 pm
My dog has kept the elephants out of my yard for the last ten years, I can prove it.
hsn
October 23rd, 2012
6:14 pm
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
hsn
You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…
=============================================================
Aah, Paul, thanks for the correction. I did not read Jay’s before posting.
I appreciate it !
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:14 pm
CRIER
@ 6:11
Not being snippy when I say this, but it does speak to how long we’ve been at it, doesn’t it?
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:15 pm
“You really, really, really ought to read Jay’s lead before you post…Picky, picky, picky!!!”
Isn’t it fair and appropriate to simply assume Jay is wrong since he is a liberal?
Georgia
October 23rd, 2012
6:15 pm
There was only one incidence of voter fraud in our history as a republic: 2000, when Scalia led that Black-Robed Coup of our government and annointed that horrid man-child as our king, King George of the New Crusade. I still can’t believe it really happened.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm
USMC
You wouldn’t like to be a civilian in a military town, eh? Whoo-whee, Mate, good times in certain bars there…
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:17 pm
“Not being snippy when I say this, but it does speak to how long we’ve been at it, doesn’t it?”
Solomon did write that there is nothing new under the sun. And I take it he was speaking primarily (or exclusively) of human behavior.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:17 pm
GEORGIA
Maybe not the only, but certainly the most spectacular…
Sherman conquers Georgia....starring Eminem...
October 23rd, 2012
6:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
josef
I GET IT!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 23rd, 2012
6:19 pm
Well at least someone is getting it.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:20 pm
CRIER
Perhaps the most beautiful piece of poetry in the English language to me…one of the few translations (the KJV) more beautiful than the original to me…
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:20 pm
Towncrier
I prefer to think some are just really interested in something they’ve just read and are anxious to put it out to the blog to get a clear, unbiased, thoughtful read on if it’s correct or not.
Just said I prefer to think that. Didn’t say I actually did -
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
6:21 pm
Keep
Touche!
USMC
October 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm
“You wouldn’t like to be a civilian in a military town, eh? Whoo-whee, Mate, good times in certain bars there…”–josef
Sounds like someone has some pretty, shall I say, colorful memories!
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm
Yeah…the KJV is quasi-Shakespearean in its use of language at times – Psalm 23 is a great example of this.
Towncrier
October 23rd, 2012
6:24 pm
Okay, guys…I’m out. Goodnight all!
F. Sinkwich
October 23rd, 2012
6:24 pm
Yawn.
It’s common knowledge Dems consider ballot box stuffing a sport. O’bozo himself championed election fraud as a viable tool to power by representing ACORN, the bastion of crooked politics.
Throw in SEIU and the usual union thug intimidators and you have the Dem strategy to victory. They simply can’t get there by extolling their socialist principles.
Just look at O’bozo’s home town of Chicago. Cemeteries are precincts.
Walking around money? Dems pay bums a pack of cigs and a pint of vodka to vote for their pinko of their choice. See Florida, 2000.
Pretty much everyone knows that in a close race, a conservative must win by two or more points to avoid being jobbed by leftie election officials. See Coleman, Norm.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
USMC
Before I forget,,,welcome to the idiot club…boy those imbeciles are sure an uppity lot, ain’t they…?
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:26 pm
USMC
Yep. Best times, though, in the Big Easy when the French fleet is in town…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
“A new advertisement featuring Christian evangelist Billy Graham began running in newspapers across the country today, encouraging voters to cast their ballots this November for candidates who “support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman.”
The full-page ad, which ran in USA Today and The Wall Street Journal today and will run in other publications prior to Election Day, is signed by Graham and reads:
‘The legacy we leave behind for our children, grandchildren and this great nation is critical. As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election could be my last. I believe it is vitally important that we cast our ballots for candidates who base their decisions on biblical principles and support the nation of Israel. I urge you to vote for those who protect the sanctity of life and support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Vote for biblical values this November 6, and pray with me that America will remain one nation under God.’ ”
Billy Graham, Montreat, NC
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:34 pm
JAY
No comment…
http://www.wwltv.com/video/featured-videos/Ecuador-sailors-sing-US-national-anthem-147791895.html
Brosephus™
October 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
Paul @ 5:22
I’ve been one major deflection today.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
mitt got whooped and media can’t help him now.
He will be gone soon and we get back to work.
G Mare
October 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
I do find it interesting that when “huh???” disappeared, Ben Shockly reappeared. Hmmmm.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
getalife
was reading that part of the American military’s purpose in Jordan was to prepare for a chemical weapons attack from inside Syria…
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
GMARE
Not the same one, but definitely Siamese twins joined at the ass…
F. Sinkwich
October 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
“New Polls: RASMUSSEN: Romney 50% Obama 46%…GALLUP: R 51% O 46%…”
Bummer.
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Scout
The Graham family has done a lot of good things for a lot of people around the world for many years. For that they should be commended and recognized.
With that said, I find it strange that last week, just one week after meeting with Romney, Billy and Franklin took the Mormons of of their “cult” list.
If their faith leads them to believe that Mormonism is a cult, why would that change now? Because a Mormon won the Republican primary and could possibly be the next President? Is that faith or political maneuvering?
From what I have read and observed, Billy still meets with and prays with all the Presidential candidates and Presidents (if I am not mistaken). Billy seemed to back off on the outward political affiliations and endorsements after being caught talking about the “Jewish owned and run media” during the Nixon days.
Seems Franklin is more into the political arena, at least in an outward sense.
Again they have done some great things. On one hand, it is a good thing they no longer view Mormonism as a cult. On the other, the timing is dubious at best that they just recently “saw the light”.
Maybe they met with leaders of the Mormon Church and it wasn’t advertised. I would hope that is the case and their mind wasn’t just changed because of Romney. That would lead me to think it was more political than faith driven.
To each their own, but I find it a strange.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
HEADLINE: “Obama debate jab implies bayonets obsolete, but don’t tell it to the Marines”
“The official Marine.com website touts the bayonet with the words: “From 500 yards, every Marine is accurate with a rifle. Attach the OKC-3S Bayonet, and the weapon becomes just as effective in close combat situations. Also a Marine’s multi-purpose fighting knife, the OKC-3S is the weapon of choice when shots can’t be fired. Every Marine receives bayonet training in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) and on the Bayonet Assault Course in Recruit Training.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/bayonets-still-standard-issue-despite-obama-debate-jab/#ixzz2AAL9rvDM
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/bayonets-still-standard-issue-despite-obama-debate-jab/#ixzz2AAKdZrT4
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
They BOTH suck:
Is it strange for men & women of the cloth to support Obama ?
ad
October 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
Voter fraud is as likely as being struck by lightening.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
josef
October 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
BROSEPHUS
SE
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eI2Ef7sH8c
Ooo Rah !
ad
October 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
031 – If you think we have as many bayonets today as in the past, then I truly feel sorry for you.
ad
October 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Romney thinks Iran has to go through Syria to get to the sea. Uh, look at a map, guv’ner.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
7:03 pm
BOTH
Graham does have a strong anti Jewish prejudice,,,one reason I’ve never held him in particularly high regard…
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
Scout
I am not a Christian, so I certainly would not be adhering to your evangelical view of Christianity or any other view of Christianity.
If people want to support Obama whatever of their faith is or isn’t, so be it. That is not for me to decide.
Just like you might find it strang that “men & woman of the cloth” would support Obama, I find it strange that the Graham’s decided by coincidence that Mormonism was no longer a cult at the time Romney is in a close election.
Keep in mind I have never called Mormonism a cult or said one negative thing about Romney in regards to his faith.
Oscar
October 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
There is a sliver of undecided voters left.
ABC News.
Who would still be undecided at this point.
Oscar
October 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Bolivia has to go through Chile to get to the sea. Should we be worried about an alliance?
F. Sinkwich
October 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
“Who would still be undecided at this point.”
Just morons.
O’bozo has the edge.
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
josef
They have done some good work. I just find their timing dubious at best.
Certainly their choice to have whomever or whatever denomination or belief on their “cult” list, but if they defined it as cult just two weeks ago, why the change last week?
POLITICS……….. plain and simple
josef
October 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
OSCAR
“Who would still be undecided at this point.”
Me. It was never a question of voting for the Republicans. But I’m still not sure if I will vote for Obama, either…
josef
October 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
BOTH
Yep.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
ad:
Don’t argue with me ……….. argue with the USMC official website where they describe bayonet training for EVERY Marine !
Ooo Rah !
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
josef
I know you have and will vote your conscience, but it wont make much difference in the GA outcome…….
So write in someone or vote 3rd Party if Obama isn’t the right choice.
Heck, Obama is only going to lose by 7 to 9 pts here.
josef
October 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
Oh, good…earlier I was just an idiot, now I’ve been elevated to moron!
Paul
October 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm
G Mare
Jay said the other day that HUH???? was formerly commie AJC or some such, along with other monikers,who’d been banned repeatedly.
I believe we’ve seen Ben Shockley several times, recently as Harry Callahan.
And, as josef said, they’re two peas in a pod.
Maybe they could get together? They’d likely find each other wonderful company.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm
Jesus and politics:
“31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. (King) Herod wants to kill you.”
32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will drive out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day — for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!”
Luke 13
Michael
October 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm
Romney to Ohio – “Hey baby, want to come back to my place and see my collection of etchings?”
josef
October 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm
BOTH
I may wind up doing third party or just leave it blank…since the electoral vote for Georgia is already in the bag…but, I must admit, Obama’s finally coming around on gay marriage is a good reason to vote FOR him…
Mr_B
October 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm
” Can you point me to any Democrats pushing for legislation to prevent illegal immigrant voting?”
If you can point me to any evidence that “Illegal” immigrants are voting.
F. Sinkwich
October 23rd, 2012
7:16 pm
Even one of O’bozo’s house organs has to face issues…
Mitt Romney eked out bragging rights in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll, claiming 49 percent support among likely voters vs. Barack Obama’s 48 percent – Romney’s first numerical edge, however slight, since before the party conventions.”
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm
josef
As I have stated before. I think Obama overall is mediocre. Even being dealt a bad had, he certainly has made his share of mistakes.
Romney on the other hand imo, would be the Republican House’s whipping boy.
Wish we had better choices, but we don’t. At least in terms of the two major parties.
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October 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
“Life without God is like an un-sharpened pencil – it has no point.”
Mr_B
October 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
“A new advertisement featuring Christian evangelist Billy Graham began running in newspapers across the country today, encouraging voters to cast their ballots this November for candidates who “support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman.”
Well yeah, that would be Mitt for sure. Abraham had one wife and one concubine, Jacob had two wives, Moses three, David multiples and who can forget about Solomon?
BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)
October 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
Every system can be beat, paper ballots, electronic voting, etc. If Man designed it, Man can defeat it. Your comp can be hacked, Atms can be fooled. People do it for money and just because they like to beat the system. Someone said on here that cheaters never win, like Lance. But he did win, he won 7 times, and now he has been disgraced. But what did he gain? Years of celebrity, famous friends and girlfriends, endorsements, money, travel. Would you trade a little disgrace for all that? Anyone would.
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October 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Votes “values” over economics, foreign policy or politics and in the end the country will be better off.
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October 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Excuse me: “Vote”
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October 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Excuse me: “Vote”
josef
October 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm
BOTH
To a great extent, it’s the known versus the unknown…the Republicans have been unable to rein in their lunatics…and in a choice between the two, I’ll go for centrist mediocrity over rightist virulent antagonim…
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Scout
As George Will said last election, Republicans think they have some monopoly on values. People do vote “values”, their own………….
And George Will is no Obama man
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October 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm
“GIVE ‘EM COLD STEEL !”
“British forces in Afghanistan have used bayonets on numerous occasions. In 2009, Lieutenant James Adamson, aged 24, of the Royal Regiment of Scotland was awarded the Military Cross for a bayonet charge whilst on a tour of duty in Afghanistan: after shooting one Taliban fighter dead Adamson had run out of ammunition when another enemy appeared. Adamson immediately charged the second Taliban fighter and bayoneted him.[37] In September 2012, Lance Corporal Sean Jones of The Princess of Wales’s Regiment was awarded the Military Cross for his role in a bayonet charge which took place in October 2011.[38]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet